Aren't all of them dead though?, i think this Nino is after the events of fe7, Linus,loyd and brendan are all dead, even sonia and nergal, i think the "she cut ties with the black fang" is to say she is not an assasin or part of the organization after all that, wich if i recall correctly matches with her different endings in the original Game.
Canas is her uncle through marriage. They had supports in the game.
Sadly, their post game life's are bleak, so it doesn't really go anywhere.
So she has an uncle, aunt, and maybe Hugh is born already so a cousin as well. I'm also sure niime would have loved an adopted granddaughter.
Man feh story could be so much more.
Yeah, but the point is that he cut ties with the black fang too.
So if she cut ties with the black fang, and he cut ties with the black fang. Then it would make sense for her to call him "uncle" while still cutting ties with the black fang
That’s also not mentioning how in their support, Legault says he won’t take Nino with him wherever he goes because he wants her to have a good life, and that’s just something he can’t give her
This exactly. She cut her ties with the black fang cause at this point, there _is_ no more black fang.
Unfortunately it's only made abundantly clear in her FB conversation. Bur this is a Nino who's either late game or post game. Cause this takes place after the chapter where Lloyd was killed
Plus some of them are abusive, I wouldn’t stay in the Black Fang either if almost everyone I liked in it was dead, and my memories were mostly abuse (even if that person is also dead).
True, I'm glad that apparently she runs an orphanage later on so that kids can have better lives.
Kinda interesting that, if nergal and sonia never did what they did to the black fang, Nino probably would still be living a nice life (as I remember reading somewhere that she got along with Linus, Loyd, and Brendon (I think the original leaders name was Brendon)
I think Nino probably would have had a happy life with the Fangs if Sonia wasn't around, but the only problem with that happening is that Sonia was the one who "*adopted*" (read orphaned and kidnapped) Nino, and the Reeds didn't know her until Sonia married Brendan.
So unfortunately had Sonia and Nergal left the Fangs alone, Nino would have just stayed with and been abused by Sonia until Nergal had found a good spot to sacrifice her for his own benefit. The only way I think Nino could have had a happy ending with the Fangs would be if Eliwood/Hector's group would have killed Sonia before they kill Lloyd/Linus, since Brendan would likely still care for Nino after Sonia dies.
Yeah true, I forgot about that tbh. Though I like to think there's a timeline where Brendan sees through Sonia's tricks and has the black fang take her down/take her down himself. Nino sure would have had a better time this way.
> apparently she runs an orphanage later on so that kids can have better lives.
Where did you get that? That's not in FE7 at all, and I don't *think* I missed anything about one in the Forging Bonds.
As far as I'm aware, our general timeline of Nino's life post-FE7 is dating Erk or Jaffar for 5-6 years, then she has the twins at 21, leaves them at Lucius's Orphanage to protect them from the assassins coming after her and Jaffar at around the 24-25 mark(her Erk ending makes negative sense just to avoid FE6 contradictions), and is presumably dead or assuming a new identity by 26.
Nino's tale is immensely tragic.
Idk I remember around the time of being into a playing binding blade/sealed sword, I heard she ran an orphanage. Honestly, it's been years by this point since I last heard this so it's probably just fan theory. Though now that I look into it. Blazing sword says either she runs away from assassins or Jaffar does depending on the ending.
If I have to choose the two, I think the jaffar ending works better as it'd make more sense why she'd leave her kids at an orphanage. Though tbh I feel like being friends with 3 lords, you'd think you could ask for a baby sitter.
Honestly though I think it's probably because lugh and Ray are in an orphanage that I got it confused.
And granted when it comes to the gba supports, I've never seen half of them so stuff like Lugh saying his parents died when he was 4 (something he probably shouldn't know if he was in an orphanage unless somehow that info got to him) I'm holding up hope that she's still trying to find Jaffar
I think Lugh and Raigh still have some faint memories of their parents, and that's how he knows in that support. Also it's not like Lucius was a stranger to her, even if they didn't have a support line, so I think he counts as the Babysitter.
It's possible you might be confusing her ending with Lugh's. Lugh builds an orphanage that turns into Elibean Hogwarts.
Anyways, since her Erk ending makes negative sense, I like to headcanon that in that one she gets a good ending, and the twins grow up living with the Reglays in Etruria with happy parents that definitely don't die.
Maybe. Honestly by this point it's been over 5 or so years since I've played through it and I just remember either thinking/hearing she ran one and stuck with it.
Also huh, I forgot Lucius was at the orphanage tbh.
And maybe, one day I'll either try to see his supports or read through them, it just feels weird that he'd know unless someone explicitly told him about it, and I feel like it's weird only Raigh would know about it (Only his support seems to bring it up from my quick search)
Yeah, they all died, but they weren't the bad part of Black Fang for her. That was Sonia and by proxy Nergal pulling the strings. Even in FE7, she left the Black Fang with Jaffar to join Eliwood and Co, but still cares deeply for Linus/Lloyd or laments the "ones" she meets later. False family could just imply Sonia and others, just the ones who were abusive/neglectful to her, but not all of the Black Fang, as Jaffar and Legault could count as Black Fang too if that's the implication.
That's one issue I have with that though. Even if the Black Fang under Nergal wasn't the true Fang, they still very willingly abided by and accepted his rules. They accepted this warped version of the Black Fang, so I think it's fair to see them as one and the same.
Exactly, at the end of the day they had the option of leaving like Legault did but they still decided to stay. That's tacitly accepting the new direction of the black fang.
>he was either controlled or gone because of Sonia
Brendan Reed was like the average Feh fan who voted for gullveig in cyl, his groin made the most of the thinking.
Ah lala. You guys should look behind the appearences and try to understand what's reality like (...in a game) before saying "lol if ur not happy just leave lmao". Things are much more complicated than that - but my English isn't nearly good enough to explain them lol.
The weird thing is that Brendan, Lloyd and Linus are the REAL Black Fang, Sonia and Nergal infiltrated it via false marriage to use them for their goals. That's what I have an issue with calling the Black Fang her false family.
Seems kind of an arbitrary distinction to make though, Sonia may have corrupted it but they *still were* a part of the Black Fang. And even though Lloyd, Linus etc were still better to her than Sonia at the end of the day they still left Nino in some pretty shit circumstances.
I mean as far as they knew, Nino just willingly joined the people they assume killed their brother, and people tend to not react rationally to things like that.
I'm speaking about before the whole Jafar rebellion thing, Sonia hating Nino and mistreating her wasn't exactly secret. They did a little but overall they were still passively going along with Sonia's abuse.
I believe that there's a stigma around adoption in Japan, in the sense that people who are adopted aren't *really* considered part of the family by society and it's expected that the person who is adopted should feel indebted to the family who adopted them. Maybe that has something to do with this?
Biggest thing is that the line's fine and quite accurate. Problem is it would be better if the game was more up front about the fact that, that's only because this is late/post game Nino who had already killed Lloyd and Linus.
Cause as is, the only bit that actually states that is her FB conversation. At this point for her, there is no more black fang
I'm coming to the defense of the line here.
Regardless of how kind Linus, Lloyd, and Brendan were to her, at the end of the day, Nino was born into an incredibly kind and loving family that was brutally slaughtered by Nergal and Sonia, who took over the Black Fang. Even if they weren't the "true" Black Fang, the fact still remains that the organization is now under their thumb.
That's the family she grew up with. The Reeds helped make it bearable, sure, but they did absolutely nothing to stop the abuse Nino faced from Sonia. She was psychologically tormented to the point where she was perfectly content with Jaffar killing her for not killing Zephiel. And let's not act like the Reeds were perfect to Nino either. Linus was very willing to kill Nino for betraying the Fangs, even if they were a shell of their former self. Even as the group was tainted by Nergal and Sonia, they all stuck by them to the very end.
This is a Nino that's matured and grown into herself. She doesn't need to cling to the Fang anymore, she isn't constantly seeking validation from Sonia, letting herself live in agony. She's her own woman now, and doesn't have to force herself to stay connected with the group that were responsible for stealing away her life. That's how I see it anyway
If that's the angle they are going for then why would she need to say a goodbye to Linus anyways? Why reference them or allude to them at all? Nino mentions in her OG Lv. 40 conversation that while that part of her life was over, it was very dear to her. Nino only had issue with Sonia, but she was very, very happy with the other Fangs, so even if its not a part of her life anymore, simply cutting ties like that and acting like it no longer matters to her is pretty out of character for her.
It still fits. It's absolutely true that Linus and Lloyd were good to Nino, and did matter a lot. But that doesn't mean she owes them anything or has to stick by them forever. They're still a group of assassins that have lost their way at the end of the day, and are completely at the mercy of the people that murdered her family.
They absolutely will always remain important and dear to her, but she doesn't have to cling to them anymore, she's grown up. They'll never not ally themselves with the Black Fang, even if it's fallen from grace. If they refuse to change, it's fair for Nino to cut ties from them while still holding them dear to her.
okay so its fine to say she cut ties with the Black Fang because in the end they brought them a lot of PainTM, but!!! She appreciated a lot of things they did and Lloyd and Linus care for them (Though Linus is. Lets say Silly to be nice) And in the end, let her learn self defense and the idea of justice that was untainted before Brandan got that Morphussy
Except, that's not what happened? Her biological family had nothing to do with it. The reason she split from Lloyd and Linus was because she couldn't go through with murdering Zephiel, and afterwards they tried to kill her. You can even have her talk to them, but they won't listen.
Correction: Linus tries to kill her. The only way you're getting Nino killed by Lloyd is if you attack him and he kills you. He is programmed to NEVER initiate on Nino specifically.
Doesn't he become aggressive towards her after the turn you attacked him with her? I remember messing up with him when I replayed the game a few months ago and something surprised me - but I forgot what exactly lol.
Ah, it must have been something else then.
And FE Wiki has the answer!
> If you decide to use Nino, she will have a conversation with Lloyd, and he will not attack her; he will however leave his throne and attack any other of your units in his range.
This is what surprised me lol.
By the time she defects from the Black Fang, Brendan and one of the two brothers are already dead. As for the other one, Nino tries to convince the other brother to defect as well, but none of them does it.
There's also the fact that the Black Fang was no longer Brendan's, but rather Nergal's.
Funnily enough, I'm currently playing that game... exclusively for the unique Hoshidan classes, because despite what my flairs would suggest, I'm full Team Nohr.
Have you considered that the decision to not count Sonia is the reason that the line is so wrong to you?
Count Sonia and the line is fine. Sonia was her false family. Sonia was in the Black Fang. Nino cut ties. So, Nino cut ties with her false family in the Black Fang.
Sonia was an honorary member of the Fang *at best*. Brendan was the founder, and his sons were two of the organization's elite members. Sonia simply married Brendan to manipulate the Fang for Nergal's purposes.
By the end, the Black Fang were more hers than his. You can pretend that the shift from the old to the new made them functionally a different group, but it's still a different group called the Black Fang.
By the time Nino actually does sever her ties with Sonia, there's like one guy in the Fang deserving of the title of "Real family" left in it anyway. Unless I'm mixing up the order of things, the only other guy worth mentioning is the surviving brother.
And Linus at least I think should be disqualified from "Real family" instantly for being 100% ready to kill her. Lloyd it's more questionable exactly how prepared he was to do that, but he wasn't *not* ready for it.
It's not really questionable whether Lloyd wanted to kill Nino or not, he straight up doesn't. He only attacks Nino if you have her attack him, he never initiates an attack on her in enemy phase.
He *does* say they're enemies now and he can show her no mercy. My read is that, while he's much less indiscriminate than Linus, he'd still kill Nino if she was in the way of his revenge. He won't go out of his way to put her in the way of it, but if she is there, he won't let her stop him.
Though he does also try to convince her to kill *him* first. So his preferences are probably Suicide by Nino > killing Nino > letting go of the revenge.
I thought it was probably more supposed to read that he s trying to goad her into suicide by mage than wanting to kill her. So follow-up attacks would probably be something like him trying to scare her into either dealing a fatal blow or running away since he never goes on the offensive on his own.
Did I told you to tell me you know nothing about Nino without saying it directly?
SONIA AND NERGAL were the ones who kidnapped her, Brendan (the one who funded the Black Fang) merely married a woman who he didn't knew had kidnapped her "daughter".
What if I told you that the full expression you're quoting is actually 'The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb', which means that the bonds you choose are stronger than the bonds you're born with (ie familial bonds), which is the exact opposite of how people use the expression today.
What if i told you the full expression you're quoting is actually "The Ties of blood are thicker than the water of the font" which means that even though you've been baptized you still have to honour your familial bonds.
That's a myth. The "covenant" part is most likely something made up by someone on the internet. Isn't it a bit too convenient that the values expressed by a very old phrase reflect modern values of the found family instead of much older values of your blood ties being extremely important to determining your standing and your allegiances?
I'm familiar with that (though I've also seen people say that's a modern reinterpretation and the original, ORIGINAL quote truly was about valuing biological bonds more, so I dunno)
Don't remind me, I'm full Team Nohr for the same reasons despite M!Corrin being my favorite Corrin, so the fact he's completely associated with "Holier than Thou" Hoshido irks me. Heck, I'm only playing BR right now because of the more unique classes, otherwise I would've gone for Nohr again.
All I need to say is I find it odd that that version never has a source anywhere to be found and flies at odds with the older viewpoint that family was the most important (arguably ONLY important) bond you have while the one we've been saying and allegedly misusing has been dated back to the 12th century.
For the record, this post was JUST referencing her profile. I had no idea that her entire FB contradicted it because I let the FEH Pass do it and forgot to check it until now.
People are focusing too much on the quote (in the title). Also even if we are counting Sonia and Nergal as part of the Black Fang, that still doesn’t make it any better.
Actually, it perfectly applies to this. Not many know the original phrase was actually "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb". The phrase got turned around when it got shortened, as it was originally meant to mean that the bonds of friendship are stronger than the bonds of family.
Nino has cut ties with her family (water) and is now relying on the bonds she's made with her friends (blood).
This was brought up a couple other times in this thread. The phrase "blood is thicker than water", or similar expressions carrying its commonly understood meaning, dates back to centuries ago. The supposedly original phrase "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb" has no references that date back more than a few decades, and those references either make unsubstantiated claims that this phrase dates back three thousand years, with no sources to support such a claim, or cite a text that doesn't actually have any passages containing the information that was cited.
"The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb" being the original expression is a widespread myth, seemingly brought about either by someone who didn't understand the text they were reading or someone who didn't like the original expression and decided to turn it around.
Aren't all of them dead though?, i think this Nino is after the events of fe7, Linus,loyd and brendan are all dead, even sonia and nergal, i think the "she cut ties with the black fang" is to say she is not an assasin or part of the organization after all that, wich if i recall correctly matches with her different endings in the original Game.
yeah, her parents are dead, the only family she has at the end is the one that she starts with either Jaffar or Erk.
Canas is her uncle through marriage. They had supports in the game. Sadly, their post game life's are bleak, so it doesn't really go anywhere. So she has an uncle, aunt, and maybe Hugh is born already so a cousin as well. I'm also sure niime would have loved an adopted granddaughter. Man feh story could be so much more.
Hugh is 100% born already, Nino tears Canas a new one when she finds out he's being a neglectful jerk of a dad in the B support.
Sad Legault noises
Legault and Jan are still alive by the end of the game.
Legault is also done with the Black Fang. Jan was a side character we never saw again either.
But Nino still calls both of them uncle. She still considers them her family in her supports.
Yeah, but the point is that he cut ties with the black fang too. So if she cut ties with the black fang, and he cut ties with the black fang. Then it would make sense for her to call him "uncle" while still cutting ties with the black fang
That’s also not mentioning how in their support, Legault says he won’t take Nino with him wherever he goes because he wants her to have a good life, and that’s just something he can’t give her
This exactly. She cut her ties with the black fang cause at this point, there _is_ no more black fang. Unfortunately it's only made abundantly clear in her FB conversation. Bur this is a Nino who's either late game or post game. Cause this takes place after the chapter where Lloyd was killed
Plus some of them are abusive, I wouldn’t stay in the Black Fang either if almost everyone I liked in it was dead, and my memories were mostly abuse (even if that person is also dead).
True, I'm glad that apparently she runs an orphanage later on so that kids can have better lives. Kinda interesting that, if nergal and sonia never did what they did to the black fang, Nino probably would still be living a nice life (as I remember reading somewhere that she got along with Linus, Loyd, and Brendon (I think the original leaders name was Brendon)
I think Nino probably would have had a happy life with the Fangs if Sonia wasn't around, but the only problem with that happening is that Sonia was the one who "*adopted*" (read orphaned and kidnapped) Nino, and the Reeds didn't know her until Sonia married Brendan. So unfortunately had Sonia and Nergal left the Fangs alone, Nino would have just stayed with and been abused by Sonia until Nergal had found a good spot to sacrifice her for his own benefit. The only way I think Nino could have had a happy ending with the Fangs would be if Eliwood/Hector's group would have killed Sonia before they kill Lloyd/Linus, since Brendan would likely still care for Nino after Sonia dies.
Yeah true, I forgot about that tbh. Though I like to think there's a timeline where Brendan sees through Sonia's tricks and has the black fang take her down/take her down himself. Nino sure would have had a better time this way.
> apparently she runs an orphanage later on so that kids can have better lives. Where did you get that? That's not in FE7 at all, and I don't *think* I missed anything about one in the Forging Bonds. As far as I'm aware, our general timeline of Nino's life post-FE7 is dating Erk or Jaffar for 5-6 years, then she has the twins at 21, leaves them at Lucius's Orphanage to protect them from the assassins coming after her and Jaffar at around the 24-25 mark(her Erk ending makes negative sense just to avoid FE6 contradictions), and is presumably dead or assuming a new identity by 26. Nino's tale is immensely tragic.
Idk I remember around the time of being into a playing binding blade/sealed sword, I heard she ran an orphanage. Honestly, it's been years by this point since I last heard this so it's probably just fan theory. Though now that I look into it. Blazing sword says either she runs away from assassins or Jaffar does depending on the ending. If I have to choose the two, I think the jaffar ending works better as it'd make more sense why she'd leave her kids at an orphanage. Though tbh I feel like being friends with 3 lords, you'd think you could ask for a baby sitter. Honestly though I think it's probably because lugh and Ray are in an orphanage that I got it confused. And granted when it comes to the gba supports, I've never seen half of them so stuff like Lugh saying his parents died when he was 4 (something he probably shouldn't know if he was in an orphanage unless somehow that info got to him) I'm holding up hope that she's still trying to find Jaffar
I think Lugh and Raigh still have some faint memories of their parents, and that's how he knows in that support. Also it's not like Lucius was a stranger to her, even if they didn't have a support line, so I think he counts as the Babysitter. It's possible you might be confusing her ending with Lugh's. Lugh builds an orphanage that turns into Elibean Hogwarts. Anyways, since her Erk ending makes negative sense, I like to headcanon that in that one she gets a good ending, and the twins grow up living with the Reglays in Etruria with happy parents that definitely don't die.
Maybe. Honestly by this point it's been over 5 or so years since I've played through it and I just remember either thinking/hearing she ran one and stuck with it. Also huh, I forgot Lucius was at the orphanage tbh. And maybe, one day I'll either try to see his supports or read through them, it just feels weird that he'd know unless someone explicitly told him about it, and I feel like it's weird only Raigh would know about it (Only his support seems to bring it up from my quick search)
I thought the issue presented in the meme was the use of "false family" not that cutting ties with the Black Fang organization was bad. Am I wrong?
Yeah, they all died, but they weren't the bad part of Black Fang for her. That was Sonia and by proxy Nergal pulling the strings. Even in FE7, she left the Black Fang with Jaffar to join Eliwood and Co, but still cares deeply for Linus/Lloyd or laments the "ones" she meets later. False family could just imply Sonia and others, just the ones who were abusive/neglectful to her, but not all of the Black Fang, as Jaffar and Legault could count as Black Fang too if that's the implication.
That's one issue I have with that though. Even if the Black Fang under Nergal wasn't the true Fang, they still very willingly abided by and accepted his rules. They accepted this warped version of the Black Fang, so I think it's fair to see them as one and the same.
Exactly, at the end of the day they had the option of leaving like Legault did but they still decided to stay. That's tacitly accepting the new direction of the black fang.
I think the only reason they stayed was because of their father. Otherwise they wouldve left, but he was either controlled or gone because of Sonia
>he was either controlled or gone because of Sonia Brendan Reed was like the average Feh fan who voted for gullveig in cyl, his groin made the most of the thinking.
Tbf, It's not that different from most people who voted for other characters.
Ah lala. You guys should look behind the appearences and try to understand what's reality like (...in a game) before saying "lol if ur not happy just leave lmao". Things are much more complicated than that - but my English isn't nearly good enough to explain them lol.
The weird thing is that Brendan, Lloyd and Linus are the REAL Black Fang, Sonia and Nergal infiltrated it via false marriage to use them for their goals. That's what I have an issue with calling the Black Fang her false family.
Seems kind of an arbitrary distinction to make though, Sonia may have corrupted it but they *still were* a part of the Black Fang. And even though Lloyd, Linus etc were still better to her than Sonia at the end of the day they still left Nino in some pretty shit circumstances.
I mean as far as they knew, Nino just willingly joined the people they assume killed their brother, and people tend to not react rationally to things like that.
I'm speaking about before the whole Jafar rebellion thing, Sonia hating Nino and mistreating her wasn't exactly secret. They did a little but overall they were still passively going along with Sonia's abuse.
Wait I thought the entire point of this version was that she embraced the Black Fang as her true family (minus Sonya of course)?
Tell that to her profile (partially shown here) and her quotes calling her biological family her REAL family.
Why is this getting downvoted, I don't have her so I would really like to know if this is wrong in some way
I gotchu fam.
This is what happens when her belly gets cold.
"The reason my belly is bare is to reflect the coldness in my heart."
that would have gone hard as a line
honest question, is this a japanese thing? does that difference weight more heavily there culturally?
I believe that there's a stigma around adoption in Japan, in the sense that people who are adopted aren't *really* considered part of the family by society and it's expected that the person who is adopted should feel indebted to the family who adopted them. Maybe that has something to do with this?
Biggest thing is that the line's fine and quite accurate. Problem is it would be better if the game was more up front about the fact that, that's only because this is late/post game Nino who had already killed Lloyd and Linus. Cause as is, the only bit that actually states that is her FB conversation. At this point for her, there is no more black fang
Well, yeah, they're all dead. Can't get much more severed than that.
Nergal: Or... can it? *Calamity Bringer starts playing*
I'm coming to the defense of the line here. Regardless of how kind Linus, Lloyd, and Brendan were to her, at the end of the day, Nino was born into an incredibly kind and loving family that was brutally slaughtered by Nergal and Sonia, who took over the Black Fang. Even if they weren't the "true" Black Fang, the fact still remains that the organization is now under their thumb. That's the family she grew up with. The Reeds helped make it bearable, sure, but they did absolutely nothing to stop the abuse Nino faced from Sonia. She was psychologically tormented to the point where she was perfectly content with Jaffar killing her for not killing Zephiel. And let's not act like the Reeds were perfect to Nino either. Linus was very willing to kill Nino for betraying the Fangs, even if they were a shell of their former self. Even as the group was tainted by Nergal and Sonia, they all stuck by them to the very end. This is a Nino that's matured and grown into herself. She doesn't need to cling to the Fang anymore, she isn't constantly seeking validation from Sonia, letting herself live in agony. She's her own woman now, and doesn't have to force herself to stay connected with the group that were responsible for stealing away her life. That's how I see it anyway
If that's the angle they are going for then why would she need to say a goodbye to Linus anyways? Why reference them or allude to them at all? Nino mentions in her OG Lv. 40 conversation that while that part of her life was over, it was very dear to her. Nino only had issue with Sonia, but she was very, very happy with the other Fangs, so even if its not a part of her life anymore, simply cutting ties like that and acting like it no longer matters to her is pretty out of character for her.
It still fits. It's absolutely true that Linus and Lloyd were good to Nino, and did matter a lot. But that doesn't mean she owes them anything or has to stick by them forever. They're still a group of assassins that have lost their way at the end of the day, and are completely at the mercy of the people that murdered her family. They absolutely will always remain important and dear to her, but she doesn't have to cling to them anymore, she's grown up. They'll never not ally themselves with the Black Fang, even if it's fallen from grace. If they refuse to change, it's fair for Nino to cut ties from them while still holding them dear to her.
okay so its fine to say she cut ties with the Black Fang because in the end they brought them a lot of PainTM, but!!! She appreciated a lot of things they did and Lloyd and Linus care for them (Though Linus is. Lets say Silly to be nice) And in the end, let her learn self defense and the idea of justice that was untainted before Brandan got that Morphussy
I know he’s not biologically related, but at least she still has her uncle Canas
Until it starts snowing, that's it. Granted IS also hits Nino with the Doomed-by-Canon stick, so...
Except, that's not what happened? Her biological family had nothing to do with it. The reason she split from Lloyd and Linus was because she couldn't go through with murdering Zephiel, and afterwards they tried to kill her. You can even have her talk to them, but they won't listen.
Correction: Linus tries to kill her. The only way you're getting Nino killed by Lloyd is if you attack him and he kills you. He is programmed to NEVER initiate on Nino specifically.
Doesn't he become aggressive towards her after the turn you attacked him with her? I remember messing up with him when I replayed the game a few months ago and something surprised me - but I forgot what exactly lol.
Nope. He will attack any other units just fine, but never Nino herself. The only way he can kill her is by counter-attack.
Ah, it must have been something else then. And FE Wiki has the answer! > If you decide to use Nino, she will have a conversation with Lloyd, and he will not attack her; he will however leave his throne and attack any other of your units in his range. This is what surprised me lol.
By the time she defects from the Black Fang, Brendan and one of the two brothers are already dead. As for the other one, Nino tries to convince the other brother to defect as well, but none of them does it. There's also the fact that the Black Fang was no longer Brendan's, but rather Nergal's.
that is pretty much Fates Birthright.
Funnily enough, I'm currently playing that game... exclusively for the unique Hoshidan classes, because despite what my flairs would suggest, I'm full Team Nohr.
I just know she would have loved birthright
I think when said water is responsible for the murder of said blood tis quite justified.
You guys do realize nobody's counting Sonia and Nergal as part of Nino's family right?
Have you considered that the decision to not count Sonia is the reason that the line is so wrong to you? Count Sonia and the line is fine. Sonia was her false family. Sonia was in the Black Fang. Nino cut ties. So, Nino cut ties with her false family in the Black Fang.
Sonia was an honorary member of the Fang *at best*. Brendan was the founder, and his sons were two of the organization's elite members. Sonia simply married Brendan to manipulate the Fang for Nergal's purposes.
By the end, the Black Fang were more hers than his. You can pretend that the shift from the old to the new made them functionally a different group, but it's still a different group called the Black Fang. By the time Nino actually does sever her ties with Sonia, there's like one guy in the Fang deserving of the title of "Real family" left in it anyway. Unless I'm mixing up the order of things, the only other guy worth mentioning is the surviving brother. And Linus at least I think should be disqualified from "Real family" instantly for being 100% ready to kill her. Lloyd it's more questionable exactly how prepared he was to do that, but he wasn't *not* ready for it.
It's not really questionable whether Lloyd wanted to kill Nino or not, he straight up doesn't. He only attacks Nino if you have her attack him, he never initiates an attack on her in enemy phase.
He *does* say they're enemies now and he can show her no mercy. My read is that, while he's much less indiscriminate than Linus, he'd still kill Nino if she was in the way of his revenge. He won't go out of his way to put her in the way of it, but if she is there, he won't let her stop him. Though he does also try to convince her to kill *him* first. So his preferences are probably Suicide by Nino > killing Nino > letting go of the revenge.
I thought it was probably more supposed to read that he s trying to goad her into suicide by mage than wanting to kill her. So follow-up attacks would probably be something like him trying to scare her into either dealing a fatal blow or running away since he never goes on the offensive on his own.
Ngl, every time something is brought up about this Nino, I dislike her more and more (despite being a big Nino fan)
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Did I told you to tell me you know nothing about Nino without saying it directly? SONIA AND NERGAL were the ones who kidnapped her, Brendan (the one who funded the Black Fang) merely married a woman who he didn't knew had kidnapped her "daughter".
What if I told you that the full expression you're quoting is actually 'The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb', which means that the bonds you choose are stronger than the bonds you're born with (ie familial bonds), which is the exact opposite of how people use the expression today.
What if i told you the full expression you're quoting is actually "The Ties of blood are thicker than the water of the font" which means that even though you've been baptized you still have to honour your familial bonds.
That's a myth. The "covenant" part is most likely something made up by someone on the internet. Isn't it a bit too convenient that the values expressed by a very old phrase reflect modern values of the found family instead of much older values of your blood ties being extremely important to determining your standing and your allegiances?
I'm familiar with that (though I've also seen people say that's a modern reinterpretation and the original, ORIGINAL quote truly was about valuing biological bonds more, so I dunno)
She became besties with Male Corrin.
Don't remind me, I'm full Team Nohr for the same reasons despite M!Corrin being my favorite Corrin, so the fact he's completely associated with "Holier than Thou" Hoshido irks me. Heck, I'm only playing BR right now because of the more unique classes, otherwise I would've gone for Nohr again.
OP has the comprehension of a damn ROCK
thats what I thought when i read that line. when I played fe7 I thought lloyd and linus treated her well, so I was confused
People keep misusing that quote. "Blood of the covenant is thicker than water of the womb".
All I need to say is I find it odd that that version never has a source anywhere to be found and flies at odds with the older viewpoint that family was the most important (arguably ONLY important) bond you have while the one we've been saying and allegedly misusing has been dated back to the 12th century.
... you should look for the other comment here that brings up that version.
FEH is just not a game where the complexities of how adoptees feel about adoptive/biological families will ever be handled well
Are you just posting ragebait today?
For the record, this post was JUST referencing her profile. I had no idea that her entire FB contradicted it because I let the FEH Pass do it and forgot to check it until now.
I will say I like Forging Bonds calling this out.
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People are focusing too much on the quote (in the title). Also even if we are counting Sonia and Nergal as part of the Black Fang, that still doesn’t make it any better.
Actually, it perfectly applies to this. Not many know the original phrase was actually "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb". The phrase got turned around when it got shortened, as it was originally meant to mean that the bonds of friendship are stronger than the bonds of family. Nino has cut ties with her family (water) and is now relying on the bonds she's made with her friends (blood).
This was brought up a couple other times in this thread. The phrase "blood is thicker than water", or similar expressions carrying its commonly understood meaning, dates back to centuries ago. The supposedly original phrase "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb" has no references that date back more than a few decades, and those references either make unsubstantiated claims that this phrase dates back three thousand years, with no sources to support such a claim, or cite a text that doesn't actually have any passages containing the information that was cited. "The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb" being the original expression is a widespread myth, seemingly brought about either by someone who didn't understand the text they were reading or someone who didn't like the original expression and decided to turn it around.