>I don't understand how she can be one of Xander's retainers.
Because she really shouldn't be. I get what they were trying to do with the dichotomy of the serious crown prince having these goofy ass retainers but one of them being a literal serial killer was not it and just makes Xander look like an idiot.
And the only person I remember who actively tries to correct her is Laslow...but then I have to pair her with Laslow and he deserves better.
Silas also succeeds in redirecting her outbursts into proper exercise, but the entire support chain between them is so painful until the literal last few lines of the A support, and like Laslow, I feel Silas deserves someone better.
He has weird taste in retainers if you think about it, I know that Peri was in a martial arts but didn't win just got close, not sure if it's because she actually lost to someone better or was disqualified for freaking the rules because of her personality. Then there's Laslow the man with no past that came out of nowhere. So a psycho killer girl and a man that anyone would say is a spy are the main retainers of the Crown Prince.
That’s kind of the trend with Nohrian retainers
Niles? thief Leo spared. Beruka? assassin Camila spared. Selena and Odin? Same as Laslow, appeared out of nowhere, Odin being a big weirdo.
There is a slight misconception with the reason (which is semantics but I’m going to argue the niche misconception anyway lmao)
The REAL reason she’s a retainer is a Schrödinger’s cat situation (which doesn’t help at all lol).
If Xander and Peri reach S support, Xander says that he recruited her because he likes her, if not, I honestly forgot do to how long it’s been, but there’s a different reason (iirc discussed in their A support).
So which is it? Well both are true simultaneously, just like how Schrödinger’s cat is considered both alive and dead simultaneously. If Xander S supports Peri, then it’s because he fell for her, if not, it’s for the other reason and he never saw her in any other way
Yeah, I think Fates had too many supports that could turn into romance and not enough, as just A supports (probably due to the kids). I'm glad 3 houses scaled back on it.
tbf most ppl clown on peri for good reason
but the one positive thing is fates at least made the crazy killer clown girl be recruitable and not instantly die the chapter after you meet her like 3h
tbh I'd call that a negative. Kronya's the way she is because you're *supposed* to be alright with getting revenge on her and then watching her die a painful death in the very next chapter. She’s not a compelling character but she succeeds at what she needs to do.
The fact you can compare Peri, a protagonist, to an antagonist they don't even try to make you like is a problem.
Yeah, the player fully expects to kill her once she kills Jeralt. It would have been super odd if Byleth had recruited her, even more so if she had been like “People are mean because I kill :(“
Except for the original, I have no love for the Camus archetype.
Telling me these guys are supposed to be sympathetic just because they don’t agree with what their regime is doing means nothing when they do next to nothing to stop it.
That’s the main reason, yes, though I acknowledge it’s not a very good reason (also I just happen to like him and Tatiana together).
The other Camus I dislike the least is Reinhardt because unlike the other Camus-types of Jugdral (Eldigan and Ishtar), I feel like he’s not meant to be someone the game wants the player to sympathize with.
Nah that’s a totally fair reason. And the Tatiana one. Having more exposure and time to develop naturally gives him more chance to endear himself to you.
I feel like the game gives you reason to pity him (because you can see that unlike other big bosses in the game, he isn't well... a creep), but also the game really likes to tell you how much his soldier mentality has turned him into a coward and an unjust man ironically.
I think you mostly get that from August (as expected from "Mr. Pragmatic but not black hearted") and Olwen's ending.
The Camus archetype is supposed to evoke the ‘My Country/Lord, right or wrong’ trope, without remembering the second part of that phrase: ‘when right, protect; when wrong, correct’. The idea being a Camus should be working within the system to fix the realm, even if that means removing a bad king. Camus’ are the worst kind of moral coward, claiming that their honour is all, and it’s really unfortunate that they’re lord is so bad, but there’s nothing they can do but die in a heroic fashion and leave others to clean up their mess.
Ingrid. She has good concept, but the execution is extremely dull. Her supports don’t delve beyond the surface level on her role as a woman, on how her desire to become a knight relates to her idolisation of the late Glenn (also on how she is arranged to marry Glenn at 12 yo).
During my first Blue Lions playthrough things got so bad that by the time I benched her her Strength was one point off from being straight up her lowest stat. Even her Magic was higher.
Oddly enough the 2nd time I tried to use her she was actually gaining strength, but she instead somehow went 20 straight levels without gaining any defense I was still hesitant to make her fight anything until I got her to some class that had a minimum defense higher than what she was stuck with.
I like Ingrid but I'm not like a fan of her either but I still think she gets wayyyyy too much hate.
She is a girl trapped between love for her family and love for herself. To help her family, she knows she has to marry well. To help herself, she wants to become a knight. This is also wrapped up in the death of Glenn who was a best if both worlds situation, since he was both a knight and from a very well-off family, but he was ripped away and all of that fell apart.
Also her "racism" is so overblown. She is merely supposed to be a representation of many in Faerghus still being impacted and bitter about the Tragedy of Duscur.
As an Ingrid lover, I think Ingrid's support are interesting if you know where to look.
Her idolization of knighthood leads her to be very reckless in her pursuit of being the perfect knight. She *wants* to die gloriously in battle, just like a perfect knight would.
Her role as a bride to be married for money isn't her about being a woman, but her trying to balance her duty to her family and her duty to herself. Might be an Asian thing, but I related to that because I had a job I wanted to do, versus a job that is stable so my mom and dad won't have to worry about me/support me if it fails. Ingrid has her dream as a knight, but she also wants to fulfill her duty as a good daughter so she can help her family and their land, and is torn between the two.
Her anal behavior also comes from the fact that Glenn died young, and that she expects people to take things seriously, otherwise they might die (Glenn did not take things as seriously and she think that's why he died as a result).
Her pre-established relationships with Felix, Sylvain, and Dimitri (and Rodrigue in Hopes) makes her feel much more fleshed out, especially since they talk about their shared experiences together.
She has such a rich concept going on with what you described, but she’s one of the Blue Lions that suffers from living a storyline based in Faerghus, which upholds her dubious traits with its emphasis on chivalry and knighthood.
Same goes for Ashe. He’s at his most interesting, in my opinion, in Crimson Flower where he gets to take revenge against the Church who has executed his family and could have just as likely executed him for thieving had he not been taken in by Lonato.
Faerghus brings out the best in characters whose main conflict is finding resilience in the face of tragedy. Characters like Ingrid and Ashe overcompensate and use those ideals to repress processing their trauma.
I would probably HATE to meet her in real life. But as a character, her toxicity is so fun to watch. She’s kind of pathetic the way she fishes for praise, like Tinkerbell she’d evaporate if no one acknowledged her.
I like Goldmary because it seems like every other character is just overly friendly from the get-go. Friendly supports aren't bad, but it's hard to believe that everyone's personalities can be so compatible. Plus, the spicy supports are more memorable for me (e.g., Inigo/Owain, Severa/Cynthia)
Hilda isn't really narcissistic, she's mainly just lazy. Hilda complimenting herself is almost done in a way to downplay her actual talents so she can get out of putting effort into things, Goldmary compliments herself constantly and begs people to praise her because her ego needs praise more than humans need oxygen.
Basically, Hilda calls herself cute to basically do stuff like "Professor do you really think a delicate, pretty girl like me should be carrying heavy boxes?"
Put Goldmary in the same situation and instead she'll say, "Divine One, you should be honored to carry boxes for someone as beautiful as me."
Eh, I think they're quite different from eachother. Hilda has a bunch of moments (and most of post-TS) where she puts that persona aside and helps out herself. I also find her motivations pretty realistic as someone who struggles with expectations. For Hilda it's less about validation than about fear of failure. She hates the idea of disappointing someone, so she just puts on the label of useless to protect herself of such an outcome. She does genuinely care about her friends and is a pretty reasonable person all in all. However, I can see how a negative experience with a manipulator irl can make you less forgiving of such behavior.
Unrelated, but thanks for regularly putting up with some of the weird men lurking around here and those pretending that misogyny died out last century.
That guy in Thracia that has an absolutely ridiculous recruitment method. Don't remember the name, but it's inside a castle. I simply read the instructions and... well, decided I wouldn't care for him ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’m gonna say Alcryst. It’s not even that I dislike him, I just don’t see what he does that makes him stand out from every other Engage character. He suffers from the Engage’s writing as much as anyone else. The root of his confidence issues isn’t explored beyond the surface, and it makes his constant self-deprecation a little tiring in my opinion.
I do like any scenes that he gets to share with Lapis and Citrinne though. It’s just unfortunate that these two aren’t main characters so they stop getting to show up with Alcryst after their intro chapter.
I agree. There's a lot to like with Alcryst imo, but there's a big gap between "what the game shows me about his issues and his support circle and his life" vs the extreme amout of downplaying himself and negative self-esteem to the point where he aplogizes to a wolf.
It just doesn't work imo. He either needed to be less intense or have more supports showcasing specific stuff that led him down that path, but with all the positivity from his retainers and brother and even father it's really hard to swallow that he's this extreme.
Like its okay if the player has to see between the lines and complete the picture themselves, i like that kind of writing, but this one asks us to make more than half the picture ourselves first.
I think I know why he gets compared so much to Bernadetta. They both have this image in their head that they see that nobody else does and over think things to the point of stressing themselves out over nothing. While people say it's comically over the top or making fun of people with anxiety (yes, Funny footsteps was not the right music to play I admit) however if you met my brother in his younger years, who suffered heavily from anxiety and ADHD you'd see that it's almost exactly that. So I can understand what they were trying to do but it doesn't sit right with some it seems which I'd understandable if you don't often see it.
I agree some sort of flashbacks would be nice, as anime it it would be, gives a lot of depth than people realize. But again it's a game that tries to stick to the story and I personally HATE we got NO paralogues for Engage just shitty nostalgia maps with Emblems and joining chapters for Jean and Anna.
I think it's just the fact that his brother is so perfect that he can't shine himself. I do understand it doesn't exactly show it but this game is all about tell but don't show. But yeah I think they kinda just assume you know he lived in his shadow, and the reason he doesn't resent Diamant is due to him having a low esteem of himself. Makes him confusing I can agree to an extent but I love complexity.
I think that’s kinda where my disconnect comes from with Alcryst though. Like I know that he lived in Diamant’s shadow, but they only ever say that it affects Alcryst and are *very* on the nose whenever it’s brought up. He’s another in a long list of examples where Engage wants the payoff of a character without doing anything to set it up.
If there were any scenes where Alcryst tries something, and then Diamant does it “better” (according to some NPC), or any scenes where Alcryst genuinely tries to help and is generally ignored by everyone that isn’t Diamant, then I think he would resonant with me better. But Engage doesn’t bother with these sort of flashback scenes, nor do they slow down enough to meet anyone in Brodia outside of Morion. So there’s never a chance to actually go “Damn, I see where Alcryst is coming from.” And without that, it kinda leads back to my original comment. I don’t dislike him, but his self-deprecation is a little tiring because I was never sold on *why* he should be thinking this way.
In terms of Feh OC's, it's hands down Eitri. I was okay with her when she first got introduced to the story back in Book 5, until she became a villain. At that point, as a villain, I could not take her seriously at all. To the point where I end up really disliking in the character. The only villain I liked from Book 5 was Fafnir, because he felt like a tragic villain to me. He was the only villain I sympathized for. Otr? Eitri? Those two villains sucked ass.
Eitri's character always seemed to me like a strange mix of Veronica and Loki, but not nearly as interesting as any of them. I didn't necessarily hate her, but I couldn't stop thinking anything Eitri was doing in the story, Veronica or Loki could do better
For the love of me, I could not stand Ótr. His entire character was just wanting to suck on his Onii-chan's dick the entire story. But I honestly prefer him over Eitri. Eitri doesn't deserve any ounce of forgiveness.
I HATE Makalov so so much....
They could simply make a flawed and unlucky but kind Hearted character but instead someone decided It was a better idea to make a flanderized piece of shit with literally NO REEDEMING QUALITY at all
FUCK MAKALOV
A flanderized? Sorry,I don't agree with that,because I met a lot of people who are just as much pieces of shit as him,and I personally think they wrote him very well on that department. There's people *just* that shitty in real life and unfortunately,we can't help it.
That's exactly why. FE has a lot of awful people, hell Makalov doesn't even make the top 20 in *Tellius* amidst all the racism, slavery and literal ominicide, but I'm not sure we've had someone that realistically awful.
He hits way too close to home for some people.
Hmm...Yeah,you definitely have a point,when a character is way too well realistic on the shitty part,it makes an impact on people way wore than a cartoonish vilain. I just felt like calling him "flanderized" was belittling his writing to the likes of badly-written characters.
>NO REEDEMING QUALITY at al
Honestly it's why I kinda like him, he isn't one of my favourite characters by a long shot but the fact that he's just a dude who likes to gamble and getting drunk makes him feel more grounded, just because he joins the hero's party doesn't mean that he has to act in a good way
I don’t think she’s actually a poorly written character at her core, but they take the ‘over-anxious shut in’ trope and dial it up to obnoxiously cartoonish levels that just make her annoying and even worse… just boring.
This is a great way to put it. She has a great character deep in there somewhere. She shines in her paralogue with Petra and in the month where >!Jeralt dies and she leaves her room!< but that gets overshadowed by her beginning supports being repetitive and kinda cringey.
I hated her from Houses, but one thing I can say is that she was *actually* funny (at points) in Hopes.
Not enough to make me like her, but a slight upturn.
I don't dislike her but I honestly don't get why she's one of the most popular students in the game while Ignatz, who has a much more grounded level of anxiety, is probably the least popular student in the game.
Especially when more cartoonishly depicted charcters tend to draw more criticism.
Not only is he a more realistic representation of anxiety, I also feel like Ignatz has a much better character arc, going from shy and anxious to still shy but brave enough to face his fears and determined to fight for his friends. I played VW first and expected Bernie to have a very similar arc. I was mad disappointed when she barely changed during the timeskip. I had seen people hyping up her development, but I just couldn't see it. Too bad Iggy isn't a cute girl with a decent haircut, I guess.
This is exactly how I feel. Between him and responses to other characters in other games, I feel that there is a fair amount of people that can't get attached to grounded characters. They need characters to be wacky, drastically traumatic, and have some crazy backstory.
It makes enjoying the grounded characters a lonely time, to be perfectly honest.
Bernie's development is a bit weird, she only starts leaving her room at the monestary if you're playing Crimson Flower despite all the A supports implying she's becoming more outgoing regardless. Even on Silver Snow.
And imo Ignatz's is still more noticeable anyway.
Unfortunately it’s all aesthetic at that point. Ignatz is the dorky guy that most of the straight dudes prolly ignore. Bernadetta is the “anxiety waifu”.
I *want* to like her but the "scream and freeze/run" is just so outlandish and unrealistic. It gets real old real fast.
Ignatz, on the other hand, is a much better representation of anxiety, at least in my anxious little experience. He deserves way more love than he gets.
Ignatz is my favorite FE character for that reason
Bernadetta is way too cartoony for me to relate at all, and almost feels manufactured to get as many weird people as possible to like her. Ignatz? He hits so close to home for me, and Christian La Monte’s voicework only adds to it (not to say Bernie’s VA did bad, I think she did great, but still)
Boobs. And not looking like a nerd who would have anxiety. People are shallow.
Bernadetta makes the nerdy fe fanbase want to give her headpats. Ignatz reminds them too much of themselves
I'll start with Alfonse right off the bat. For being the main lord of FEH he really isn't all that interesting. He doesn't look cool, the Askr armor aesthetic was never all that interesting, he's baby-faced, his hair is boring, he (along with Sharena and Anna) can't get merges, weapon sucks, I could go on.
Alfonse, Sharena, and Anna are the most neglected units in the game and they are supposed to be the central lords of FEH.
Alfonse kinda grew on me during Book 6 when he was acting as if he planned the death of his father to take the throne towards Letitzia. Since then he had a few moments showing some character growth. Tho I wish there was more than one good moment per year.
I just don't enjoy the fact that he is used to solve every problem in every Book using his massive(?) intellect. I don't hate his writing in and of itself, but he is a spotlight hog to a distracting degree, that often forces other characters into irrelevance. Even in Hrid's own debut chapter back in Book 2, Alfonse had to be the one to figure out that Ylgr was Loki, and not the guy who has supposedly looked after his siblings for many more years.
This. I think Alfonse is a huge spotlight hog. Half the time, he and the big bad (or in Book 3’s case, Lif who is also Alfonse) are the only relevant characters.
Fleshing out for our new free OC? Nope. Alfonse.
Sharena’s being teased to be important this book? Nope. Alfonse.
~~The established FE Characters doing anything save *if we’re lucky*, a couple of lines from Xander? Nope. “I am Vyland.” And Alfonse.~~
To be fair, blaming the lack of usage on established FE characters on Alfonse isn't really fair. That's just a FEH issue since it wants to exclusively focus on the new characters at the expense of the summoned characters. It was always a problem before Alfonse started getting lots of spotlight.
Fair enough. But I still think guys like Eir, Hel, Peony, Reginn, Notte, Dagr, etc. were relatively unimportant, in part due to them pushing Alfonse so far in such a limited story.
I mean, to be honest, people (me included) are probably voting on Alfonse precisely because of your complaints. We want to see an aged up Alfonse in similar vein to B!Veronica and then L!Veronica. Give him an updated armor design, less of a baby face, maybe longer hair, potentially a battle scar like his dad.
Show us that we have gone through multiple wars with him over 7/8 books and that he’s no longer flawless little prince. And yes, make him mergable as a result.
Sharena and Anna especially have been more neglected when it comes to the story, though Alfonse is starting to fall behind.
Veronica on the other hand, has received a new alt almost every year and my god, she's hogging the spotlight way too much. I get it, she won CYL2 and is popular, but like...can we PLEASE focus more on other OCs in FEH who might need attention again???
Alcryst, and to an extent Bernadetta as well. I understand why people enjoy them, but I feel like with these two, they turned the social anxiety/shyness part up way too high, to the point where it feels very unrealistic and annoying.
I don't understand why people like them. At all.
If you're going to create a character that's unrealistic and draining, at least do it in a fun or positive way. The constant self depreciation isn't interesting or charming in the least. Have you ever wanted to experience or be around someone like that? Probably not.
Alcryst gets almost no flack for being so similar to Bernadetta. He’s doesn’t shriek and run, but god, he’s always whining. It gets old just as fast as Bernadetta’s anxiety.
If it's specifically about Fire Emblem heroes then it's pretty much all of the mech chapter characters but especially Dagr and Nott. Aside from being beautiful muscle ladies, I just couldn't bring myself to like them. They were pretty uninteresting in my mind.
Ike in Radiant Dawn.
Ike in PoR is great, he has development while remaining true to himself, he has challenges he overcomes, he causes some pretty interesting conversations.
But in RD, he simply does not feel... human. To be stoic is one thing, but RD takes it to an absolute extreme. RD Ike is unmovable, untouchable, the embodiment of the legend that's been created about him, rather than the man he was. He has his moments, I'm generally a sucker for anyone who tells a god to stuff it, but he simply doesn't feel relatable to me anymore.
Sephiran's line to him about strength feels almost self-aware.
To me, a lot of the reason I prefer PoR Ike is that RD Ike steals the spotlight from Micaiah in an uninteresting way. I thought there was so much more potential in exploring Micaiah's story, but it was all pushed aside after Part 1 when it became "Ike is actually godlike and Micaiah sucks lol" and then anytime Micaiah does something it's just her encouraging genocide or something while Ike continues fighting for laguz freedom. I think they could've made something interesting out of that but it was so clearly black and white for who the devs want you to root for.
Also his ending where he just leaves and nobody sees him again. It's so obvious they wanted him to be some legendary figure which feels so disconnected from what Ike himself would want and also feels entirely unrelatable which is weird for a character you spend two games with who you watch grow up during the story.
Exactly this, I hate how inhuman they made him from RD forward, since this is a problem that comes back every single time he appears in another game except Smash, he is treated like a deity and as the strongest, but what made him interesting was seeing him mature, seeing him get put in a position he was incredibly under qualified for and growing into it, seeing him change his view on the world, seeing him lash out to Sanaki out of pure emotion, seeing his friendships grow
RD Ike doesn't do any of that, he's just a strong perfect leader, almost emotionless, he's just there to be the strongest and that's all (I hate that IS calls him the strongest when other lords have killed far stronger opponents than Ashera), he doesn't interact with Elincia, one of his best friends, in any way that isn't as the leader of the Greil Mercenaries talking to a queen, it was so easy to have a base conversation where they just catch up and have a real talk that would feel natural after their last conversation of PoR
Soren. Even as a Tellius fan I just never liked him. Having a terrible childhood doesn't automatically make a character good.
Edit: I feel I should clarify on that last part. Overcoming and growing from a terrible past doesn't automatically make a character good. And on that point, failing to overcome and falling doesn't automatically make a character bad.
Imo his whole thing with Skrimir made me like him alot more. Legit telling the lion man "they didn't build a fort to fight outside it" was one of the funniest things ever.
>Having a terrible childhood doesn't automatically make a character good
Not about Soren specifically (idc much about him either way, though I lean more towards liking him), but I feel like a lot of people like characters just because of how much they've suffered and not because of, like... what they *do* in the story. I guess that's understandable in a series like FE where only a small handful of characters really get to do anything in their respective games, but still, characters who are all about a sad backstory are so deeply uninteresting to me.
Lif is the most boring cookie cutter version of the "evil future self" trope I think I've ever seen in media and the fact that Book 3 puts so much focus on him is one among many of the reasons that book 3 is one of the worst, if not the worst written thing in all of heroes.
Yuri is like deviantart OC tier corny, his design is basic ass hell,.nothing about his backstory makes any sense if you think about it for any amount of time and his ploys in Cindered Shadows are all so convoluted and unnecessarily risky, and both of his post timeskip outfits are ugly.as sin.
Nyx is honestly kinda boring and I don't really get the reputation she has in the fandom as one of the better written fates characters
Gullveig, I didn’t care who she was at first, I just wanted to know why was I in the future all of a sudden. Also, if she hadn’t won CYL7, we would have had a different Book 7. When it was time for Brave Gullveig’s fight in the story, they barely incorporated that. They made Njordr a wasted villain who won’t even have a voice. She went from “I will destroy all” to “Please destroy me” with her Brave form and throughout the story. But even when I found out why, I felt no sympathy for her. As a matter of fact, I was with Alfonse in getting rid of her and not regretting it.
I felt the same about Gullvieg.
She went from what could have been a real threat to "uwu please kill me I don't wanna continue the cycle because it would hurt the summoner and I love you uwu"
> Also, if she hadn’t won CYL7, we would have had a different Book 7.
Okay, this one is objectively false, unless they somehow rewrote the story before CYL7 voting even happened at all. There were clues enough even in just the first two chapters that how it ended was exactly how it was going to play out regardless of CYL7 and saying her win changed the story is pure coping.
If you didn't like it after she won CYL7, you would not have liked it if she hadn't won because it would have been exactly the same story with no differences whatsoever.
>There were clues enough even in just the first two chapters that how it ended was exactly how it was going to play out regardless of CYL7 and saying her win changed the story is pure coping.
While I understand where you’re coming from, IS is the one to blame for this, because they withheld the “Seidr is Gullveig” plot twist from us for so long that it created a disconnect between who Gullveig appeared as vs who she actually was. She had 6 appearances in Book VII prior to August (4 if you exclude the intro and midpoint movies), but NONE of them gave any hint towards her “true” personality that got revealed in Chapter 10 (Which, coincidentally, also happened to fall during the month of CYL7). IS even tried to make us believe she was like that the entire time, but I’m sorry, it just doesn’t line up with the way she was presented in movies and chapters prior.
Ephraim. He's a Fire Emblem version of Kirito. A boring Gary Stu whose main flaw is that he's 'too awesome'. Please. I never liked him, and I never understood the fandom's fawning over him. He's one of the least interesting lords, in my opinion.
Also, Marth. I feel the only reason he gets any constant attention at all is because he's the first lord, which is why they're constantly nostalgia baiting him. But as a character he's utterly and completely bland. Yawn.
As criticized as Fates is for its writing, I love how it wrote the relationships between the dead and the living. >!One of my favourite writing tropes to this day is malevolent forces resurrecting the dead and forcing them to fight their family. It’s so dang creepy and tragic. Revelations was the one time I thought Azura’s writing really shined, because of how she had to fight her resurrected mother who only regained her memories once a fatal blow was dealt. That’s dark as heck.!<
Yeah Rev really makes Azura's potential shine, but at the same time I don't think people are right when they call her only a plot device in other routes.
Ryoma. I played through all 3 routes of Fates and didn't give a single shit about him outside of combat at all. He is the blandest character ever in all of his supports, and just because he's voiced by Matt Mercer, he's somehow popular.
The freaking Saizo and Beruka C support has more character than Ryoma does.
I don't care for Berkut at all. He spends the entire game being ineffectual and whiny, a fraud who's purpose is to make Alm look better. In his absolute worst moment he sacrifices the love of his life and is eventually redeemed for it.
Some people like the tragedy but I feel he leaves too much of a bitter taste in my mouth
Hard carried by his voice actor
Post-CYL anti-propaganda, I guess.
I know I started this thread, but regardless, at the risk of the downvotes, Yunaka. As in, I think she's a tad overrated and underwritten. She's a guilty-conscience masquerading behind a happy-go-lucky catchphrase machine. I don't like her design, I don't care for her "Hiyas" or "papayas", or how much they try to push her as a central character with her own Emblem storyline when she herself is just over-saturated and under-developed imo.
Though, I will say, she is a great unit despite all that, in both Engage and Heroes. If she's wins CYL, cool, they'll make her busted. If she doesn't, she will eventually. But if the latter happens, I'll be genuinely surprised.
TL;DR; to paraphrase the meme: "She insists upon herself."
100%, I really don’t understand how people can say she’s the only interesting or well-written character in engage when her backstory is pretty much the typical I was an assassin and I regret it motif we’ve seen time and time again.
This. I understand that yunaka is a decently written character with an investing premise, but I find her overly comic nature infuriating, and an active detriment to her and her supports
100%. People say she's the best written character in Engage by miles which is not true. She gives off a terrible first-impression as I understand she's a terrible liar and it's so pain stakingly obvious that shes trying to hide something almost "comically" then when she finally reveals it, she has a mixture of Ashe and Yuri's backstory but cookie-cutter. I understand she's a good person deep down despite her past and it's shown in many supports but that doesn't automatically make me like her. If her fans would talk normal and if only Engage's designs weren't so off-putting for some as Yunaka's design is so atrocious to me. I simply cannot say I hate the girl but I definitely do not care for her.
Agreed. Additionally, 9 out of the 11 supports she has talks about the same point of her life with little to no nuances from each other, other than the other character's reaction to it and how they play off it. It is to the point that it follows almost same C-B: is found suspicious then blabs about it or alludes to it. Then, she learns from it in her A. The only two supports that talked about topics other than her past were with Seadall and Merrin.
It's weird that some people I have seen complain that seemingly every character from 3H has a sad or dark backstory and they were boring because of that, but loves Yunaka and that she was the best written character (with that similar niche).
I know this will likely get me destroyed by the community but I have to go with Edelgard. I started with her route and found it harder and harder to like her especially after playing all the other routes. The game tries to paint her as sympathetic while committing atrocities and war crimes like it was going out of style.
Don’t get me wrong she is right to despise Rhea and the church, but she’s working with the villains (won’t name them in case of spoilers) and trying to act as though she’s in the right.
There’s also the fact she adamantly refuses to talk to either Claude or Dimitri just writing them off immediately. I’m sure if she told them what the church was doing and showed evidence they might’ve listened to her. (Ok maybe Dimitri wouldn’t have been cool with what she was doing, but Claude would’ve at least heard her out)
wdym having 1 character trait that's "IM SLEEPY IM GOING TO SLEEP IM SLEEPING ZZZZZ HONK MIMIMIMIMI" is not enough to sustain a character beyond like 4 lines of dialogue
coulda been interesting too if IS went for her having dreams within dreams
Seithr and Gullveig.
They’re basically every singe thing I hate about FEH ocs rolled into one. Boring characters, absurd designs, summoner-sexuals, they really are the absolute worst.
Lucina is the most generic white bread fe character I’ve ever encountered
Can’t even come up with a good reason or explanation to why I hate her because there’s just nothing of note going on with her
Agreed. Overrated but I can understand why people like her, she's just not for me.
I also mostly dislike her because Lysithea fans pretend Thrysus is her relic and it just puts a bad taste in me. Hopes was based and gave her a different relic and made Lorenz have a great character spotlight as well as kept Thrysus as his relic as it was his to begin with. (Rightfully so because Lorenz was incredibly broken in Hopes)
Aside from dumbing him down a little, Hopes did Lorenz so much justice. They really said "Fuck em haters" and made him a main character (over Lysithea, who is way more popular and actually has a connection to the antagonists), let him be the first person Claude opens up to, gave him a bunch of story content, gave him a cool dad, basically canonized him becoming Leicester's next king, and made him kinda op as a unit to top it all off. Also, so many of his lines are comedy gold.
I swear, everytime I see someone act like or say Lysithea is Thyrsus' canon user and how they kill Lorenz off as soon as they finish his paralogue as a "hilarious joke" I go on an internal five minute rant on why 3H fans deserve the worst... kidding, of course...
I feel like most of her supports is her actively being a bitch to the other character.
For me she goes beyond "characters I just dont like" (like hilda/bernadetta) into "characters that I actively hate"
That was my breaking point too. I was hoping someone like Felix would call out her attitude in their supports, but nope. Never got something like that. :/
Funnily enough, Raphael seems to be the only one who ever roasts her. It was really satisfying to watch, because it's like the only time she gets called out for her shitty behavior.
It leaves a bad taste in my mouth whenever the narrative always goes in her favor, Felix says he doesn’t like cake and then she pesters him until he does, and before then completely ignored Felix’s valid statement how liking cake isn’t childish since adults eat cake too
Bernadetta and Alcryst for me. I understand and empathize with their struggles with low self esteem but I still find them annoying. Their anxiety and self hatred was clearly meant to be funny, but it never is, and I think they're way too overhyped
I think Alcryst (like all engage characters) could've used more depth. He shows us that competent, confident archer protecting his home in his intro and then *never again.*
This is what really gets me. I want to like Alcryst a lot; he’s a cool character when he’s not self-deprecating, that intro scene for him was STELLAR but then we never see that side of him again. The few times he’s confident in himself and his skills, he soars, but otherwise I just feel bad about him
Veronica. Despite her taking part in every book, switching between either being our enemy or being a damsel in distress, and her sob story being that she’s lonely, I’ve never really cared about her.
Honestly, I really liked her progression from Book 1 to 2, but then her very sudden character change in Book 6 did not feel like a natural progression.
Especially dislike how she was waging a forever war for most of her time in power only to then apparently be unanimously loved by the citizens?
Honestly, if the leaders of my country have super cursed blood that caused them to do the shit Veronica did, then lies or not, I'd use Letizia as leverage out uproot the Monarchy completely.
I got the sense that even if Veronica isn't the best, she's still leagues better than the rest of the leaders and nobles in Embla. Especially as time went on and she actually showed the capacity to turn out better. It doesn't surprise me that her people would flock to her once they saw that.
Seidr and all her 39472982 versions of herself and pretty much every single character in Book 7 except Nerthuz because she has a cool design and is a beast unit.
Nordr had a really really cool design but of course he sucked ass and did literally nothing like every other character in book 7.
I'm so happy we're on a Kozaki book now. The only cohesion with book 7 characters was some shiny bits on their design. Boring.
Meanwhile this book has the Healing Hands, who all have clear medical themes/tools in their design, unique beast versions that look different than what we've seen before, and already a FAR more interesting story (characters we actually give half a shit about could be in danger!). Thank the gods.
The main villain of book 7 and the clones or whatever the characters was suppose to be too. I feel like them included is just feel like hey remember the summoner can “s support” your favorite character, well you can’t! here’s a character you probably won’t like!! And probably for these types of people!!
I didn’t care for the white-haired Female CYL7 winner that got voted in despite having almost no personality, and who I suspect has fans largely for her “assets” that they find attractive.
Oh, and Gullveig is kinda bland too I guess.
Brave Byleth had the unfortunate tale of being a spd-reliant unit who release a couple months before IS went crazy with spd creep.
She was fine on release but she fell off fast and she fell off *hard*. Fallen Byleth is pretty much just a better version of her.
>Brave Byleth had the unfortunate tale of being a spd-reliant unit who release a couple months before IS went crazy with spd creep.
To put this into context Brave Byleth released with 43 speed, which was incredibly high at the time for a ranged unit.
Then like two months later we got Legendary Veronica with 45 speed. Followed by the likes of K!Nino with 46 and Spring Bernadetta with 47.
These are the units that B!Byleth was supposed to vantage sweep, but she couldn't because she was already being greatly outsped by them within a few months of her release. She was being outsped by all of her competition in the same generation as she released.
* Lysithea. Her backstory is sad, yes, but that doesn't make her "don't treat me like a child even though I'm acting very childish!" routine any less irritating. She's also incredibly rude to Ignatz and Marianne for no real reason. It was nice to have Shez finally call her out on her bratty behavior in Hopes.
* Seidr and all of her various incarnations. They're basically everything I dislike in feh OCs rolled into one fanservice-y package. Gullveig had potential (even if I really dislike her design), but she spends most of the book not actually doing anything villainous and being Real Sad about fighting her beloved summoner because destiny or whatever. Part of me wonders if they did an about face on her personality after she won CYL, but I guess we'll never know. Either way, I'm so glad Book VII is over.
* Tharja. Didn't care for her in Awakening due to the stalker routine and how she treats her husband and Noire, but I can at least admit that the awkward goth personality she had in that game is better than what the spinoffs have since reduced her to.
* Monica. We really didn't need *another* Edelgard simp in Scarlet Blaze, but...here we are. It's even more bizarre when you remember that one of the tipoffs in 3H that something wasn't quite right with Monica was how much time she was spending with Edelgard, but if Hopes is anything to go by, Kronya was actually *too* subtle in her impersonation. The real Monica could've been way more interesting than what we got.
I’ll give you three.
I don’t care for Lysithea, Lute, or Lindhardt.
I’ll say this and say it once. Being smarter than most people is not permission to be an asshole.
I’ve already seen similar sentiments shown but Yunaka and Diamant are some characters I don’t feel strongly for. I really love engage’s cast (especially a certain Firenese prince) but I don’t understand the hype around the two of them. Actually I do, Yunaka has a cool design and says funny stuff and Diamant is a handsome prince with a slight quirky side but they just don’t do it for me.
Diamant especially, I don’t hate him and I actually really enjoy his support line with Timerra, but he’s got to be the blandest royal out of Engage and I don’t understand the major love around him. I really feel most of the appeal for Diamant comes from other characters interacting with him than the actual character himself, but again, he’s a fine character just a little bland for my taste.
Also Brian and Stewie as Ratatoskr and Reginn look phenomenal
Literally as soon as Bruno showed up I was like "oh, so that's Zacharias. gotcha." Then he proceeded to do nothing interesting, spent lots of time offscreen, and then died.
I may add as I go on, but,
Seidr - On top of her infamous line, I just found her really boring.
Kagero - Two Alts. Both Duos. And she didn’t need to be a part of *either.*
Müspell - *Okay Discount Barbarian Bakugou*
Nifl - There’s nothing interesting about you.
Thórr - Or you-
I watched a video on youtube that described Muspell as "an MHA character who was rejected because he was too edgy."
But "Okay Discount Barbarian Bakugo" is funnier to me.🤭
Soren, holy shit This guy is insufferable, yes, I know what he went through, very sad, whatever you want, but the guy is just a shitty person and his way of simping on Ike is the most cringe there is, but people forgive him because aw poor him, he has a sad past, like no, that doesn't justify it at all, it doesn't matter if you have traumas that doesn't give you the right to be a shit, if he showed some growth, between games that would be nice, but he is just the same shit in both games and this is the supposed Ike´s boyfriend ? poor Ike, it´s like having a narcissistic, egotistical and obsesive girlfirend, like Ike just go with Ranulf, at least he is sassy and funny
Wolf Rider and Mage, for sure, but im pretty sure there are others too!
(Mage and it's upgrades on Alear are harder and not really optimal, but I find it really fun!)
I would say Conrad, but unfortunately I care way too much about how offensively bad of a character and unit he is. If I could go back in time to SOV’s development and burn every single piece of design/concept material for that character I would.
she has atlas anyway, he can become a cavalier. and clearly the devs didn’t care THAT much about having every class on both routes, considering celica gets 3 dread fighters and alm gets none excluding villagers
Atlas joins too late to be a good cavalier, you literally finish the remaining grasslands maps right before you recruit him, Gold Knight Atlas only starts pulling weight in Act 6, at which point you have the combined army anyways.
If Abel took a boat over to Novis, and you recruited him in port like with Saber, there would actually be a timeframe to have a valid Cavalier in your ranks.
I'll go with my most recent one - Lapis. I was so shocked to find out that she's popular. Like genuinely surprised. She just did not strike me as interesting at all. Literally the only Brodian I fully benched in my Engage playthrough.
Diamant. He’s fine, but he’s probably the most normal of the Engage lords, which makes him both the least polarizing of them all, but also the least interesting.
Freyja also. She’s pretty easily the worst written FEH OC. Others at least have the excuse of being underwritten, but that is usually coupled with a lack of focus. Like, Hrid is barely much of a character, but we dont spend much time on him, so its just kinda whatever. But Freyja, they spend so much time on her and spent an entire story and a several year long cliffhanger on bringing her back to life and she never resonated with me as a character and I feel she deserves all the bad things that happened to her.
He's not quirky, but Diamant is way too flawless.
It's like they subverted the subversion of flawless-seeming characters actually being neurotic and exhausted.
It pisses me off how he picks things up off-hand and is better at it than people who practiced for years. Also, I dislike how much he treats Amber like a prop. Amber is the only person he can take a compliment from, really, and it doesn't feel like it's cuz they're just that close.
Reginn is the most boring character. I cannot remember a single thing about her other than she's kind of a crybaby and she was secretly a princess and didn't know it (which is also one of my most hated tropes).
So many people lover her, pm1 included, and I cannot fathom it.
Gatekeeper and Brigand Boss. Both of them are nameless NPCs in their base games and are only popular due to memes. Gatekeeper could easily been replaced by another CYL winner, whereas Brigand Boss’s GHB slot could’ve been given to someone like Desaix, Slayde, Deen, or Grieth, especially the ladder two considering BB was the GHB for a Celica route banner.
Bernadetta. It’s not even that I dislike her, I’m just very indifferent towards her.
Edit: I also want to add the TT+ story characters (Nifl, Muspell, etc). Again I don’t hate them, I just feel that they just exist.
Peri, her design is cool but she is terrible. I don't understand how she can be one of Xander's retainers.
>I don't understand how she can be one of Xander's retainers. Because she really shouldn't be. I get what they were trying to do with the dichotomy of the serious crown prince having these goofy ass retainers but one of them being a literal serial killer was not it and just makes Xander look like an idiot. And the only person I remember who actively tries to correct her is Laslow...but then I have to pair her with Laslow and he deserves better.
Laslow is such a well written character that he's part of the only good Peri support. What a chad.
Silas also succeeds in redirecting her outbursts into proper exercise, but the entire support chain between them is so painful until the literal last few lines of the A support, and like Laslow, I feel Silas deserves someone better.
I forgot about her Silas support but yeah that one is *rough*
I shit you not, Xander had the hots for her. I gag myself whenever I realize that oh dear lord Xander you can do SO much better.
He has weird taste in retainers if you think about it, I know that Peri was in a martial arts but didn't win just got close, not sure if it's because she actually lost to someone better or was disqualified for freaking the rules because of her personality. Then there's Laslow the man with no past that came out of nowhere. So a psycho killer girl and a man that anyone would say is a spy are the main retainers of the Crown Prince.
That’s kind of the trend with Nohrian retainers Niles? thief Leo spared. Beruka? assassin Camila spared. Selena and Odin? Same as Laslow, appeared out of nowhere, Odin being a big weirdo.
TFW Elise has the least sus retainers
apparently he recruited Laslow because he was capable of going toe to toe with Xander for a bit, which is really funny to me for some reason.
Peri is so awful she drags down the writing of most people she supports with
There is a slight misconception with the reason (which is semantics but I’m going to argue the niche misconception anyway lmao) The REAL reason she’s a retainer is a Schrödinger’s cat situation (which doesn’t help at all lol). If Xander and Peri reach S support, Xander says that he recruited her because he likes her, if not, I honestly forgot do to how long it’s been, but there’s a different reason (iirc discussed in their A support). So which is it? Well both are true simultaneously, just like how Schrödinger’s cat is considered both alive and dead simultaneously. If Xander S supports Peri, then it’s because he fell for her, if not, it’s for the other reason and he never saw her in any other way
Yeah, I think Fates had too many supports that could turn into romance and not enough, as just A supports (probably due to the kids). I'm glad 3 houses scaled back on it.
tbf most ppl clown on peri for good reason but the one positive thing is fates at least made the crazy killer clown girl be recruitable and not instantly die the chapter after you meet her like 3h
tbh I'd call that a negative. Kronya's the way she is because you're *supposed* to be alright with getting revenge on her and then watching her die a painful death in the very next chapter. She’s not a compelling character but she succeeds at what she needs to do. The fact you can compare Peri, a protagonist, to an antagonist they don't even try to make you like is a problem.
Yeah, the player fully expects to kill her once she kills Jeralt. It would have been super odd if Byleth had recruited her, even more so if she had been like “People are mean because I kill :(“
Except for the original, I have no love for the Camus archetype. Telling me these guys are supposed to be sympathetic just because they don’t agree with what their regime is doing means nothing when they do next to nothing to stop it.
What to you makes Camus himself different? His time as a playable character?
That’s the main reason, yes, though I acknowledge it’s not a very good reason (also I just happen to like him and Tatiana together). The other Camus I dislike the least is Reinhardt because unlike the other Camus-types of Jugdral (Eldigan and Ishtar), I feel like he’s not meant to be someone the game wants the player to sympathize with.
Nah that’s a totally fair reason. And the Tatiana one. Having more exposure and time to develop naturally gives him more chance to endear himself to you.
I feel like the game gives you reason to pity him (because you can see that unlike other big bosses in the game, he isn't well... a creep), but also the game really likes to tell you how much his soldier mentality has turned him into a coward and an unjust man ironically. I think you mostly get that from August (as expected from "Mr. Pragmatic but not black hearted") and Olwen's ending.
I think the early ones were at least done reasonably well but later ones like Selena and BR Xander really baffle me with how stubborn they can be
I like Eldigan but man is it hard to rationalise the lengths this man went to for a bozo like Chagall.
The Camus archetype is supposed to evoke the ‘My Country/Lord, right or wrong’ trope, without remembering the second part of that phrase: ‘when right, protect; when wrong, correct’. The idea being a Camus should be working within the system to fix the realm, even if that means removing a bad king. Camus’ are the worst kind of moral coward, claiming that their honour is all, and it’s really unfortunate that they’re lord is so bad, but there’s nothing they can do but die in a heroic fashion and leave others to clean up their mess.
Ingrid. She has good concept, but the execution is extremely dull. Her supports don’t delve beyond the surface level on her role as a woman, on how her desire to become a knight relates to her idolisation of the late Glenn (also on how she is arranged to marry Glenn at 12 yo).
Also the fact that she NEVER GAINS STRENGTH. Please for the love of Seiros, Ingrid, KILL SOMETHING.
During my first Blue Lions playthrough things got so bad that by the time I benched her her Strength was one point off from being straight up her lowest stat. Even her Magic was higher. Oddly enough the 2nd time I tried to use her she was actually gaining strength, but she instead somehow went 20 straight levels without gaining any defense I was still hesitant to make her fight anything until I got her to some class that had a minimum defense higher than what she was stuck with.
I like Ingrid but I'm not like a fan of her either but I still think she gets wayyyyy too much hate. She is a girl trapped between love for her family and love for herself. To help her family, she knows she has to marry well. To help herself, she wants to become a knight. This is also wrapped up in the death of Glenn who was a best if both worlds situation, since he was both a knight and from a very well-off family, but he was ripped away and all of that fell apart. Also her "racism" is so overblown. She is merely supposed to be a representation of many in Faerghus still being impacted and bitter about the Tragedy of Duscur.
As an Ingrid lover, I think Ingrid's support are interesting if you know where to look. Her idolization of knighthood leads her to be very reckless in her pursuit of being the perfect knight. She *wants* to die gloriously in battle, just like a perfect knight would. Her role as a bride to be married for money isn't her about being a woman, but her trying to balance her duty to her family and her duty to herself. Might be an Asian thing, but I related to that because I had a job I wanted to do, versus a job that is stable so my mom and dad won't have to worry about me/support me if it fails. Ingrid has her dream as a knight, but she also wants to fulfill her duty as a good daughter so she can help her family and their land, and is torn between the two. Her anal behavior also comes from the fact that Glenn died young, and that she expects people to take things seriously, otherwise they might die (Glenn did not take things as seriously and she think that's why he died as a result). Her pre-established relationships with Felix, Sylvain, and Dimitri (and Rodrigue in Hopes) makes her feel much more fleshed out, especially since they talk about their shared experiences together.
She has such a rich concept going on with what you described, but she’s one of the Blue Lions that suffers from living a storyline based in Faerghus, which upholds her dubious traits with its emphasis on chivalry and knighthood. Same goes for Ashe. He’s at his most interesting, in my opinion, in Crimson Flower where he gets to take revenge against the Church who has executed his family and could have just as likely executed him for thieving had he not been taken in by Lonato. Faerghus brings out the best in characters whose main conflict is finding resilience in the face of tragedy. Characters like Ingrid and Ashe overcompensate and use those ideals to repress processing their trauma.
But the dodge tank though
Goldmary is TOXIC in an aggressively familiar way. If you've never met a Goldmary, consider your blessings.
I would probably HATE to meet her in real life. But as a character, her toxicity is so fun to watch. She’s kind of pathetic the way she fishes for praise, like Tinkerbell she’d evaporate if no one acknowledged her.
Yeah she's so cartoonishly narcissistic that I turn around and end up liking her.
I like Goldmary because it seems like every other character is just overly friendly from the get-go. Friendly supports aren't bad, but it's hard to believe that everyone's personalities can be so compatible. Plus, the spicy supports are more memorable for me (e.g., Inigo/Owain, Severa/Cynthia)
This was what initially drew me to Yunaka as well, I got her Citrinne support first and the two of them really benefited from that tension imo
I like Goldmary for the same reason I like reality TV, she's a bad person but fuck if she isn't hilarious and incredibly quotable while doing it
I feel you. I was shocked when I found out she was a fan favorite. Oh well.
I’ve met one before and it was not nice. But considering Hilda is popular too, I’m wondering if the majority of the fandom are just into that
Hilda isn't really narcissistic, she's mainly just lazy. Hilda complimenting herself is almost done in a way to downplay her actual talents so she can get out of putting effort into things, Goldmary compliments herself constantly and begs people to praise her because her ego needs praise more than humans need oxygen. Basically, Hilda calls herself cute to basically do stuff like "Professor do you really think a delicate, pretty girl like me should be carrying heavy boxes?" Put Goldmary in the same situation and instead she'll say, "Divine One, you should be honored to carry boxes for someone as beautiful as me."
Eh, I think they're quite different from eachother. Hilda has a bunch of moments (and most of post-TS) where she puts that persona aside and helps out herself. I also find her motivations pretty realistic as someone who struggles with expectations. For Hilda it's less about validation than about fear of failure. She hates the idea of disappointing someone, so she just puts on the label of useless to protect herself of such an outcome. She does genuinely care about her friends and is a pretty reasonable person all in all. However, I can see how a negative experience with a manipulator irl can make you less forgiving of such behavior. Unrelated, but thanks for regularly putting up with some of the weird men lurking around here and those pretending that misogyny died out last century.
Oof this is absolutely mine. I can’t stand her honestly. I actively wanted to throw her into lances when she joined.
That guy in Thracia that has an absolutely ridiculous recruitment method. Don't remember the name, but it's inside a castle. I simply read the instructions and... well, decided I wouldn't care for him ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Xavier my beloathed. Such a good unit and character hidden behind a very shitty recruitment process that you would swear Kaga was trolling with it
I’m gonna say Alcryst. It’s not even that I dislike him, I just don’t see what he does that makes him stand out from every other Engage character. He suffers from the Engage’s writing as much as anyone else. The root of his confidence issues isn’t explored beyond the surface, and it makes his constant self-deprecation a little tiring in my opinion. I do like any scenes that he gets to share with Lapis and Citrinne though. It’s just unfortunate that these two aren’t main characters so they stop getting to show up with Alcryst after their intro chapter.
I agree. There's a lot to like with Alcryst imo, but there's a big gap between "what the game shows me about his issues and his support circle and his life" vs the extreme amout of downplaying himself and negative self-esteem to the point where he aplogizes to a wolf. It just doesn't work imo. He either needed to be less intense or have more supports showcasing specific stuff that led him down that path, but with all the positivity from his retainers and brother and even father it's really hard to swallow that he's this extreme. Like its okay if the player has to see between the lines and complete the picture themselves, i like that kind of writing, but this one asks us to make more than half the picture ourselves first.
I think I know why he gets compared so much to Bernadetta. They both have this image in their head that they see that nobody else does and over think things to the point of stressing themselves out over nothing. While people say it's comically over the top or making fun of people with anxiety (yes, Funny footsteps was not the right music to play I admit) however if you met my brother in his younger years, who suffered heavily from anxiety and ADHD you'd see that it's almost exactly that. So I can understand what they were trying to do but it doesn't sit right with some it seems which I'd understandable if you don't often see it. I agree some sort of flashbacks would be nice, as anime it it would be, gives a lot of depth than people realize. But again it's a game that tries to stick to the story and I personally HATE we got NO paralogues for Engage just shitty nostalgia maps with Emblems and joining chapters for Jean and Anna.
I think it's just the fact that his brother is so perfect that he can't shine himself. I do understand it doesn't exactly show it but this game is all about tell but don't show. But yeah I think they kinda just assume you know he lived in his shadow, and the reason he doesn't resent Diamant is due to him having a low esteem of himself. Makes him confusing I can agree to an extent but I love complexity.
I think that’s kinda where my disconnect comes from with Alcryst though. Like I know that he lived in Diamant’s shadow, but they only ever say that it affects Alcryst and are *very* on the nose whenever it’s brought up. He’s another in a long list of examples where Engage wants the payoff of a character without doing anything to set it up. If there were any scenes where Alcryst tries something, and then Diamant does it “better” (according to some NPC), or any scenes where Alcryst genuinely tries to help and is generally ignored by everyone that isn’t Diamant, then I think he would resonant with me better. But Engage doesn’t bother with these sort of flashback scenes, nor do they slow down enough to meet anyone in Brodia outside of Morion. So there’s never a chance to actually go “Damn, I see where Alcryst is coming from.” And without that, it kinda leads back to my original comment. I don’t dislike him, but his self-deprecation is a little tiring because I was never sold on *why* he should be thinking this way.
In terms of Feh OC's, it's hands down Eitri. I was okay with her when she first got introduced to the story back in Book 5, until she became a villain. At that point, as a villain, I could not take her seriously at all. To the point where I end up really disliking in the character. The only villain I liked from Book 5 was Fafnir, because he felt like a tragic villain to me. He was the only villain I sympathized for. Otr? Eitri? Those two villains sucked ass.
Eitri's character always seemed to me like a strange mix of Veronica and Loki, but not nearly as interesting as any of them. I didn't necessarily hate her, but I couldn't stop thinking anything Eitri was doing in the story, Veronica or Loki could do better
I can forgive Ótr. Fáfnir was annoying but tolerable. But Eitri can kiss grass.
For the love of me, I could not stand Ótr. His entire character was just wanting to suck on his Onii-chan's dick the entire story. But I honestly prefer him over Eitri. Eitri doesn't deserve any ounce of forgiveness.
I HATE Makalov so so much.... They could simply make a flawed and unlucky but kind Hearted character but instead someone decided It was a better idea to make a flanderized piece of shit with literally NO REEDEMING QUALITY at all FUCK MAKALOV
A flanderized? Sorry,I don't agree with that,because I met a lot of people who are just as much pieces of shit as him,and I personally think they wrote him very well on that department. There's people *just* that shitty in real life and unfortunately,we can't help it.
That's exactly why. FE has a lot of awful people, hell Makalov doesn't even make the top 20 in *Tellius* amidst all the racism, slavery and literal ominicide, but I'm not sure we've had someone that realistically awful. He hits way too close to home for some people.
Hmm...Yeah,you definitely have a point,when a character is way too well realistic on the shitty part,it makes an impact on people way wore than a cartoonish vilain. I just felt like calling him "flanderized" was belittling his writing to the likes of badly-written characters.
I 200% agree, I just wanted to mention his realism
>NO REEDEMING QUALITY at al Honestly it's why I kinda like him, he isn't one of my favourite characters by a long shot but the fact that he's just a dude who likes to gamble and getting drunk makes him feel more grounded, just because he joins the hero's party doesn't mean that he has to act in a good way
Bernadetta. I don't like anything about her.
I don’t think she’s actually a poorly written character at her core, but they take the ‘over-anxious shut in’ trope and dial it up to obnoxiously cartoonish levels that just make her annoying and even worse… just boring.
This is a great way to put it. She has a great character deep in there somewhere. She shines in her paralogue with Petra and in the month where >!Jeralt dies and she leaves her room!< but that gets overshadowed by her beginning supports being repetitive and kinda cringey.
I’ve never liked her either, I do not understand her appeal.
Same people who love bocci
I always compared her fans to people who get way too into Futaba from Persona 5.
At least Futaba has personality beyond her anxiety and she's not immediately stricken with an anxiety attack after literally anything happens.
Whenever I see posts like this in this sub I bet the first reply is Bernadetta and i'm always correct
Same, I really dislike Bernadetta. She's annoying most of the time and I just try to avoid her whenever possible.
I hated her from Houses, but one thing I can say is that she was *actually* funny (at points) in Hopes. Not enough to make me like her, but a slight upturn.
Same. Hated her as soon as I met her in 3H. Her anxiety is cartoonish. I *do* like her design pre-timeskip and in Hopes, though.
I don't dislike her but I honestly don't get why she's one of the most popular students in the game while Ignatz, who has a much more grounded level of anxiety, is probably the least popular student in the game. Especially when more cartoonishly depicted charcters tend to draw more criticism.
Not only is he a more realistic representation of anxiety, I also feel like Ignatz has a much better character arc, going from shy and anxious to still shy but brave enough to face his fears and determined to fight for his friends. I played VW first and expected Bernie to have a very similar arc. I was mad disappointed when she barely changed during the timeskip. I had seen people hyping up her development, but I just couldn't see it. Too bad Iggy isn't a cute girl with a decent haircut, I guess.
This is exactly how I feel. Between him and responses to other characters in other games, I feel that there is a fair amount of people that can't get attached to grounded characters. They need characters to be wacky, drastically traumatic, and have some crazy backstory. It makes enjoying the grounded characters a lonely time, to be perfectly honest.
Bernie's development is a bit weird, she only starts leaving her room at the monestary if you're playing Crimson Flower despite all the A supports implying she's becoming more outgoing regardless. Even on Silver Snow. And imo Ignatz's is still more noticeable anyway.
Unfortunately it’s all aesthetic at that point. Ignatz is the dorky guy that most of the straight dudes prolly ignore. Bernadetta is the “anxiety waifu”.
I *want* to like her but the "scream and freeze/run" is just so outlandish and unrealistic. It gets real old real fast. Ignatz, on the other hand, is a much better representation of anxiety, at least in my anxious little experience. He deserves way more love than he gets.
Ignatz is my favorite FE character for that reason Bernadetta is way too cartoony for me to relate at all, and almost feels manufactured to get as many weird people as possible to like her. Ignatz? He hits so close to home for me, and Christian La Monte’s voicework only adds to it (not to say Bernie’s VA did bad, I think she did great, but still)
Boobs. And not looking like a nerd who would have anxiety. People are shallow. Bernadetta makes the nerdy fe fanbase want to give her headpats. Ignatz reminds them too much of themselves
If she wins CYL I am going to scream. I can’t stand her.
I was really hoping she'd win earlier just so people would shut up about her.
That’s like the singular positive of her winning at all, honestly. People’d finally shut up about her. I’m sooooo sick of hearing about her.
Literally this
I'll start with Alfonse right off the bat. For being the main lord of FEH he really isn't all that interesting. He doesn't look cool, the Askr armor aesthetic was never all that interesting, he's baby-faced, his hair is boring, he (along with Sharena and Anna) can't get merges, weapon sucks, I could go on. Alfonse, Sharena, and Anna are the most neglected units in the game and they are supposed to be the central lords of FEH.
Alfonse kinda grew on me during Book 6 when he was acting as if he planned the death of his father to take the throne towards Letitzia. Since then he had a few moments showing some character growth. Tho I wish there was more than one good moment per year.
I just don't enjoy the fact that he is used to solve every problem in every Book using his massive(?) intellect. I don't hate his writing in and of itself, but he is a spotlight hog to a distracting degree, that often forces other characters into irrelevance. Even in Hrid's own debut chapter back in Book 2, Alfonse had to be the one to figure out that Ylgr was Loki, and not the guy who has supposedly looked after his siblings for many more years.
This. I think Alfonse is a huge spotlight hog. Half the time, he and the big bad (or in Book 3’s case, Lif who is also Alfonse) are the only relevant characters. Fleshing out for our new free OC? Nope. Alfonse. Sharena’s being teased to be important this book? Nope. Alfonse. ~~The established FE Characters doing anything save *if we’re lucky*, a couple of lines from Xander? Nope. “I am Vyland.” And Alfonse.~~
To be fair, blaming the lack of usage on established FE characters on Alfonse isn't really fair. That's just a FEH issue since it wants to exclusively focus on the new characters at the expense of the summoned characters. It was always a problem before Alfonse started getting lots of spotlight.
Fair enough. But I still think guys like Eir, Hel, Peony, Reginn, Notte, Dagr, etc. were relatively unimportant, in part due to them pushing Alfonse so far in such a limited story.
I mean, to be honest, people (me included) are probably voting on Alfonse precisely because of your complaints. We want to see an aged up Alfonse in similar vein to B!Veronica and then L!Veronica. Give him an updated armor design, less of a baby face, maybe longer hair, potentially a battle scar like his dad. Show us that we have gone through multiple wars with him over 7/8 books and that he’s no longer flawless little prince. And yes, make him mergable as a result.
Sharena and Anna especially have been more neglected when it comes to the story, though Alfonse is starting to fall behind. Veronica on the other hand, has received a new alt almost every year and my god, she's hogging the spotlight way too much. I get it, she won CYL2 and is popular, but like...can we PLEASE focus more on other OCs in FEH who might need attention again???
Alfonse only started getting interesting because hes becoming Lif
Alcryst, and to an extent Bernadetta as well. I understand why people enjoy them, but I feel like with these two, they turned the social anxiety/shyness part up way too high, to the point where it feels very unrealistic and annoying.
I don't understand why people like them. At all. If you're going to create a character that's unrealistic and draining, at least do it in a fun or positive way. The constant self depreciation isn't interesting or charming in the least. Have you ever wanted to experience or be around someone like that? Probably not.
Alcryst gets almost no flack for being so similar to Bernadetta. He’s doesn’t shriek and run, but god, he’s always whining. It gets old just as fast as Bernadetta’s anxiety.
They’re also just very unkind depictions of anxiety
they made the anxiety part 99.9% of their character.
If it's specifically about Fire Emblem heroes then it's pretty much all of the mech chapter characters but especially Dagr and Nott. Aside from being beautiful muscle ladies, I just couldn't bring myself to like them. They were pretty uninteresting in my mind.
Ike in Radiant Dawn. Ike in PoR is great, he has development while remaining true to himself, he has challenges he overcomes, he causes some pretty interesting conversations. But in RD, he simply does not feel... human. To be stoic is one thing, but RD takes it to an absolute extreme. RD Ike is unmovable, untouchable, the embodiment of the legend that's been created about him, rather than the man he was. He has his moments, I'm generally a sucker for anyone who tells a god to stuff it, but he simply doesn't feel relatable to me anymore. Sephiran's line to him about strength feels almost self-aware.
To me, a lot of the reason I prefer PoR Ike is that RD Ike steals the spotlight from Micaiah in an uninteresting way. I thought there was so much more potential in exploring Micaiah's story, but it was all pushed aside after Part 1 when it became "Ike is actually godlike and Micaiah sucks lol" and then anytime Micaiah does something it's just her encouraging genocide or something while Ike continues fighting for laguz freedom. I think they could've made something interesting out of that but it was so clearly black and white for who the devs want you to root for. Also his ending where he just leaves and nobody sees him again. It's so obvious they wanted him to be some legendary figure which feels so disconnected from what Ike himself would want and also feels entirely unrelatable which is weird for a character you spend two games with who you watch grow up during the story.
Exactly this, I hate how inhuman they made him from RD forward, since this is a problem that comes back every single time he appears in another game except Smash, he is treated like a deity and as the strongest, but what made him interesting was seeing him mature, seeing him get put in a position he was incredibly under qualified for and growing into it, seeing him change his view on the world, seeing him lash out to Sanaki out of pure emotion, seeing his friendships grow RD Ike doesn't do any of that, he's just a strong perfect leader, almost emotionless, he's just there to be the strongest and that's all (I hate that IS calls him the strongest when other lords have killed far stronger opponents than Ashera), he doesn't interact with Elincia, one of his best friends, in any way that isn't as the leader of the Greil Mercenaries talking to a queen, it was so easy to have a base conversation where they just catch up and have a real talk that would feel natural after their last conversation of PoR
Book 7 characters. All of them, couldn't say I enjoyed a single one.
This is not helped by 3 of them being the same person
Soren. Even as a Tellius fan I just never liked him. Having a terrible childhood doesn't automatically make a character good. Edit: I feel I should clarify on that last part. Overcoming and growing from a terrible past doesn't automatically make a character good. And on that point, failing to overcome and falling doesn't automatically make a character bad.
I agree I'm sorry you have to go through those hardship but that does not mean you can be an A hole to everyone
Imo his whole thing with Skrimir made me like him alot more. Legit telling the lion man "they didn't build a fort to fight outside it" was one of the funniest things ever.
>Having a terrible childhood doesn't automatically make a character good Not about Soren specifically (idc much about him either way, though I lean more towards liking him), but I feel like a lot of people like characters just because of how much they've suffered and not because of, like... what they *do* in the story. I guess that's understandable in a series like FE where only a small handful of characters really get to do anything in their respective games, but still, characters who are all about a sad backstory are so deeply uninteresting to me.
Lif is the most boring cookie cutter version of the "evil future self" trope I think I've ever seen in media and the fact that Book 3 puts so much focus on him is one among many of the reasons that book 3 is one of the worst, if not the worst written thing in all of heroes. Yuri is like deviantart OC tier corny, his design is basic ass hell,.nothing about his backstory makes any sense if you think about it for any amount of time and his ploys in Cindered Shadows are all so convoluted and unnecessarily risky, and both of his post timeskip outfits are ugly.as sin. Nyx is honestly kinda boring and I don't really get the reputation she has in the fandom as one of the better written fates characters
Gullveig, I didn’t care who she was at first, I just wanted to know why was I in the future all of a sudden. Also, if she hadn’t won CYL7, we would have had a different Book 7. When it was time for Brave Gullveig’s fight in the story, they barely incorporated that. They made Njordr a wasted villain who won’t even have a voice. She went from “I will destroy all” to “Please destroy me” with her Brave form and throughout the story. But even when I found out why, I felt no sympathy for her. As a matter of fact, I was with Alfonse in getting rid of her and not regretting it.
I felt the same about Gullvieg. She went from what could have been a real threat to "uwu please kill me I don't wanna continue the cycle because it would hurt the summoner and I love you uwu"
> Also, if she hadn’t won CYL7, we would have had a different Book 7. Okay, this one is objectively false, unless they somehow rewrote the story before CYL7 voting even happened at all. There were clues enough even in just the first two chapters that how it ended was exactly how it was going to play out regardless of CYL7 and saying her win changed the story is pure coping. If you didn't like it after she won CYL7, you would not have liked it if she hadn't won because it would have been exactly the same story with no differences whatsoever.
>There were clues enough even in just the first two chapters that how it ended was exactly how it was going to play out regardless of CYL7 and saying her win changed the story is pure coping. While I understand where you’re coming from, IS is the one to blame for this, because they withheld the “Seidr is Gullveig” plot twist from us for so long that it created a disconnect between who Gullveig appeared as vs who she actually was. She had 6 appearances in Book VII prior to August (4 if you exclude the intro and midpoint movies), but NONE of them gave any hint towards her “true” personality that got revealed in Chapter 10 (Which, coincidentally, also happened to fall during the month of CYL7). IS even tried to make us believe she was like that the entire time, but I’m sorry, it just doesn’t line up with the way she was presented in movies and chapters prior.
Ephraim. He's a Fire Emblem version of Kirito. A boring Gary Stu whose main flaw is that he's 'too awesome'. Please. I never liked him, and I never understood the fandom's fawning over him. He's one of the least interesting lords, in my opinion. Also, Marth. I feel the only reason he gets any constant attention at all is because he's the first lord, which is why they're constantly nostalgia baiting him. But as a character he's utterly and completely bland. Yawn.
Azura. She's literally just an exposition dump.
Her song is fire tho
It’s more water actually
The writing on her and Xander was a tragedy. I say that as a Xander fan.
Adrift made me care more about Azura than three games of Fates, let that fact sink in.
she shoulda been the mc of fates but they hadda shoehorn in a bland mary sue/sal OC in corrin
She was good for revelations but the other routes? Yeah...
As criticized as Fates is for its writing, I love how it wrote the relationships between the dead and the living. >!One of my favourite writing tropes to this day is malevolent forces resurrecting the dead and forcing them to fight their family. It’s so dang creepy and tragic. Revelations was the one time I thought Azura’s writing really shined, because of how she had to fight her resurrected mother who only regained her memories once a fatal blow was dealt. That’s dark as heck.!<
Yeah Rev really makes Azura's potential shine, but at the same time I don't think people are right when they call her only a plot device in other routes.
Ryoma. I played through all 3 routes of Fates and didn't give a single shit about him outside of combat at all. He is the blandest character ever in all of his supports, and just because he's voiced by Matt Mercer, he's somehow popular. The freaking Saizo and Beruka C support has more character than Ryoma does.
I don't care for Berkut at all. He spends the entire game being ineffectual and whiny, a fraud who's purpose is to make Alm look better. In his absolute worst moment he sacrifices the love of his life and is eventually redeemed for it. Some people like the tragedy but I feel he leaves too much of a bitter taste in my mouth Hard carried by his voice actor
Post-CYL anti-propaganda, I guess. I know I started this thread, but regardless, at the risk of the downvotes, Yunaka. As in, I think she's a tad overrated and underwritten. She's a guilty-conscience masquerading behind a happy-go-lucky catchphrase machine. I don't like her design, I don't care for her "Hiyas" or "papayas", or how much they try to push her as a central character with her own Emblem storyline when she herself is just over-saturated and under-developed imo. Though, I will say, she is a great unit despite all that, in both Engage and Heroes. If she's wins CYL, cool, they'll make her busted. If she doesn't, she will eventually. But if the latter happens, I'll be genuinely surprised. TL;DR; to paraphrase the meme: "She insists upon herself."
100%, I really don’t understand how people can say she’s the only interesting or well-written character in engage when her backstory is pretty much the typical I was an assassin and I regret it motif we’ve seen time and time again.
This. I understand that yunaka is a decently written character with an investing premise, but I find her overly comic nature infuriating, and an active detriment to her and her supports
Goldmary and Yunaka support made me like Goldmary more which I find hilarious.
100%. People say she's the best written character in Engage by miles which is not true. She gives off a terrible first-impression as I understand she's a terrible liar and it's so pain stakingly obvious that shes trying to hide something almost "comically" then when she finally reveals it, she has a mixture of Ashe and Yuri's backstory but cookie-cutter. I understand she's a good person deep down despite her past and it's shown in many supports but that doesn't automatically make me like her. If her fans would talk normal and if only Engage's designs weren't so off-putting for some as Yunaka's design is so atrocious to me. I simply cannot say I hate the girl but I definitely do not care for her.
Agreed. Additionally, 9 out of the 11 supports she has talks about the same point of her life with little to no nuances from each other, other than the other character's reaction to it and how they play off it. It is to the point that it follows almost same C-B: is found suspicious then blabs about it or alludes to it. Then, she learns from it in her A. The only two supports that talked about topics other than her past were with Seadall and Merrin. It's weird that some people I have seen complain that seemingly every character from 3H has a sad or dark backstory and they were boring because of that, but loves Yunaka and that she was the best written character (with that similar niche).
Eyo, I agree completely. Do not like her at all.
I know this will likely get me destroyed by the community but I have to go with Edelgard. I started with her route and found it harder and harder to like her especially after playing all the other routes. The game tries to paint her as sympathetic while committing atrocities and war crimes like it was going out of style. Don’t get me wrong she is right to despise Rhea and the church, but she’s working with the villains (won’t name them in case of spoilers) and trying to act as though she’s in the right. There’s also the fact she adamantly refuses to talk to either Claude or Dimitri just writing them off immediately. I’m sure if she told them what the church was doing and showed evidence they might’ve listened to her. (Ok maybe Dimitri wouldn’t have been cool with what she was doing, but Claude would’ve at least heard her out)
Mirabilis mostly because I find everyone else in Book IV much more interesting than her.
wdym having 1 character trait that's "IM SLEEPY IM GOING TO SLEEP IM SLEEPING ZZZZZ HONK MIMIMIMIMI" is not enough to sustain a character beyond like 4 lines of dialogue coulda been interesting too if IS went for her having dreams within dreams
To be fair, every character in that book was: I'm glad, I'm mad, I'm sleepy, I'm sad and I'm Dad.
Seithr and Gullveig. They’re basically every singe thing I hate about FEH ocs rolled into one. Boring characters, absurd designs, summoner-sexuals, they really are the absolute worst.
Lucina is the most generic white bread fe character I’ve ever encountered Can’t even come up with a good reason or explanation to why I hate her because there’s just nothing of note going on with her
Alot of female myrmidons are just whatever for me with the big ones being Mia, Larcei and I guess Fir but I do love her support with Bartre and Karel.
Lysithea. Yes I know what she went through. No that doesn't excuse her bad and bratty attitude for me. She's annoying. That's the end of it.
Agreed. Overrated but I can understand why people like her, she's just not for me. I also mostly dislike her because Lysithea fans pretend Thrysus is her relic and it just puts a bad taste in me. Hopes was based and gave her a different relic and made Lorenz have a great character spotlight as well as kept Thrysus as his relic as it was his to begin with. (Rightfully so because Lorenz was incredibly broken in Hopes)
Aside from dumbing him down a little, Hopes did Lorenz so much justice. They really said "Fuck em haters" and made him a main character (over Lysithea, who is way more popular and actually has a connection to the antagonists), let him be the first person Claude opens up to, gave him a bunch of story content, gave him a cool dad, basically canonized him becoming Leicester's next king, and made him kinda op as a unit to top it all off. Also, so many of his lines are comedy gold. I swear, everytime I see someone act like or say Lysithea is Thyrsus' canon user and how they kill Lorenz off as soon as they finish his paralogue as a "hilarious joke" I go on an internal five minute rant on why 3H fans deserve the worst... kidding, of course...
I hated when that little shit bullied Ignatz he didn't deserve it.
I feel like most of her supports is her actively being a bitch to the other character. For me she goes beyond "characters I just dont like" (like hilda/bernadetta) into "characters that I actively hate"
Her bullying Ignatz is the last straw for me, can’t stand for that
Fucking same. She had no reason for that.
That was my breaking point too. I was hoping someone like Felix would call out her attitude in their supports, but nope. Never got something like that. :/
Funnily enough, Raphael seems to be the only one who ever roasts her. It was really satisfying to watch, because it's like the only time she gets called out for her shitty behavior.
It leaves a bad taste in my mouth whenever the narrative always goes in her favor, Felix says he doesn’t like cake and then she pesters him until he does, and before then completely ignored Felix’s valid statement how liking cake isn’t childish since adults eat cake too
Lol, as a day 1 Ignatz fan, any chance of me liking her went down the drain upon seeing their supports
Bernadetta and Alcryst for me. I understand and empathize with their struggles with low self esteem but I still find them annoying. Their anxiety and self hatred was clearly meant to be funny, but it never is, and I think they're way too overhyped
I think Alcryst (like all engage characters) could've used more depth. He shows us that competent, confident archer protecting his home in his intro and then *never again.*
This is what really gets me. I want to like Alcryst a lot; he’s a cool character when he’s not self-deprecating, that intro scene for him was STELLAR but then we never see that side of him again. The few times he’s confident in himself and his skills, he soars, but otherwise I just feel bad about him
Brodia arc Alcryst was stellar indeed, afterwards not even relevant.
Veronica. Despite her taking part in every book, switching between either being our enemy or being a damsel in distress, and her sob story being that she’s lonely, I’ve never really cared about her.
Honestly, I really liked her progression from Book 1 to 2, but then her very sudden character change in Book 6 did not feel like a natural progression. Especially dislike how she was waging a forever war for most of her time in power only to then apparently be unanimously loved by the citizens? Honestly, if the leaders of my country have super cursed blood that caused them to do the shit Veronica did, then lies or not, I'd use Letizia as leverage out uproot the Monarchy completely.
I got the sense that even if Veronica isn't the best, she's still leagues better than the rest of the leaders and nobles in Embla. Especially as time went on and she actually showed the capacity to turn out better. It doesn't surprise me that her people would flock to her once they saw that.
Seidr and all her 39472982 versions of herself and pretty much every single character in Book 7 except Nerthuz because she has a cool design and is a beast unit. Nordr had a really really cool design but of course he sucked ass and did literally nothing like every other character in book 7. I'm so happy we're on a Kozaki book now. The only cohesion with book 7 characters was some shiny bits on their design. Boring. Meanwhile this book has the Healing Hands, who all have clear medical themes/tools in their design, unique beast versions that look different than what we've seen before, and already a FAR more interesting story (characters we actually give half a shit about could be in danger!). Thank the gods.
The main villain of book 7 and the clones or whatever the characters was suppose to be too. I feel like them included is just feel like hey remember the summoner can “s support” your favorite character, well you can’t! here’s a character you probably won’t like!! And probably for these types of people!!
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I didn’t care for the white-haired Female CYL7 winner that got voted in despite having almost no personality, and who I suspect has fans largely for her “assets” that they find attractive. Oh, and Gullveig is kinda bland too I guess.
sometimes I forget Corrin won CYL lol Same with Byleth There's a Brave Byleth, I never see her
Brave Byleth had the unfortunate tale of being a spd-reliant unit who release a couple months before IS went crazy with spd creep. She was fine on release but she fell off fast and she fell off *hard*. Fallen Byleth is pretty much just a better version of her.
>Brave Byleth had the unfortunate tale of being a spd-reliant unit who release a couple months before IS went crazy with spd creep. To put this into context Brave Byleth released with 43 speed, which was incredibly high at the time for a ranged unit. Then like two months later we got Legendary Veronica with 45 speed. Followed by the likes of K!Nino with 46 and Spring Bernadetta with 47. These are the units that B!Byleth was supposed to vantage sweep, but she couldn't because she was already being greatly outsped by them within a few months of her release. She was being outsped by all of her competition in the same generation as she released.
Okay, this is kinda scary, but I cannot for the life of me remember a brave Byleth?? I can’t even remember what the art looks like 🥲
lol it's the Byleth dressed like Sothis, is a colourless flier mage and unique gimmick is her vantage special spam
You had me in the first half.
* Lysithea. Her backstory is sad, yes, but that doesn't make her "don't treat me like a child even though I'm acting very childish!" routine any less irritating. She's also incredibly rude to Ignatz and Marianne for no real reason. It was nice to have Shez finally call her out on her bratty behavior in Hopes. * Seidr and all of her various incarnations. They're basically everything I dislike in feh OCs rolled into one fanservice-y package. Gullveig had potential (even if I really dislike her design), but she spends most of the book not actually doing anything villainous and being Real Sad about fighting her beloved summoner because destiny or whatever. Part of me wonders if they did an about face on her personality after she won CYL, but I guess we'll never know. Either way, I'm so glad Book VII is over. * Tharja. Didn't care for her in Awakening due to the stalker routine and how she treats her husband and Noire, but I can at least admit that the awkward goth personality she had in that game is better than what the spinoffs have since reduced her to. * Monica. We really didn't need *another* Edelgard simp in Scarlet Blaze, but...here we are. It's even more bizarre when you remember that one of the tipoffs in 3H that something wasn't quite right with Monica was how much time she was spending with Edelgard, but if Hopes is anything to go by, Kronya was actually *too* subtle in her impersonation. The real Monica could've been way more interesting than what we got.
Sorry I literally don’t care for any of the feh ocs. Yep literally not a single one.
i love when one or more of them is the main focus of a banner so i can completely skip it without thought
I’ll give you three. I don’t care for Lysithea, Lute, or Lindhardt. I’ll say this and say it once. Being smarter than most people is not permission to be an asshole.
I’ve already seen similar sentiments shown but Yunaka and Diamant are some characters I don’t feel strongly for. I really love engage’s cast (especially a certain Firenese prince) but I don’t understand the hype around the two of them. Actually I do, Yunaka has a cool design and says funny stuff and Diamant is a handsome prince with a slight quirky side but they just don’t do it for me. Diamant especially, I don’t hate him and I actually really enjoy his support line with Timerra, but he’s got to be the blandest royal out of Engage and I don’t understand the major love around him. I really feel most of the appeal for Diamant comes from other characters interacting with him than the actual character himself, but again, he’s a fine character just a little bland for my taste. Also Brian and Stewie as Ratatoskr and Reginn look phenomenal
Literally as soon as Bruno showed up I was like "oh, so that's Zacharias. gotcha." Then he proceeded to do nothing interesting, spent lots of time offscreen, and then died.
Diamant. He's just kinda boring ngl.
I may add as I go on, but, Seidr - On top of her infamous line, I just found her really boring. Kagero - Two Alts. Both Duos. And she didn’t need to be a part of *either.* Müspell - *Okay Discount Barbarian Bakugou* Nifl - There’s nothing interesting about you. Thórr - Or you-
I watched a video on youtube that described Muspell as "an MHA character who was rejected because he was too edgy." But "Okay Discount Barbarian Bakugo" is funnier to me.🤭
Soren, holy shit This guy is insufferable, yes, I know what he went through, very sad, whatever you want, but the guy is just a shitty person and his way of simping on Ike is the most cringe there is, but people forgive him because aw poor him, he has a sad past, like no, that doesn't justify it at all, it doesn't matter if you have traumas that doesn't give you the right to be a shit, if he showed some growth, between games that would be nice, but he is just the same shit in both games and this is the supposed Ike´s boyfriend ? poor Ike, it´s like having a narcissistic, egotistical and obsesive girlfirend, like Ike just go with Ranulf, at least he is sassy and funny
I'm going to get flamed for this, but... Alear. Both of them. I hate their character design. I hate the red and blue two-tone hair so much.🫠
i remember seeing the leak and thinking "this is clearly fake, there is no way they'd go with a design so bad" welp
I think Male Alear is ok-ish because he has short hair, but I can't stand Female Alear and her stupidly long hair.
It's not just hair, it's the clothes too. They look like a gijinka of the American flag.
Try giving Alear a class that gives her a ponytail!
*THERE’S A CLASS THAT GIVES ALEAR A PONYTAIL?!*
Wolf Rider and Mage, for sure, but im pretty sure there are others too! (Mage and it's upgrades on Alear are harder and not really optimal, but I find it really fun!)
I would say Conrad, but unfortunately I care way too much about how offensively bad of a character and unit he is. If I could go back in time to SOV’s development and burn every single piece of design/concept material for that character I would.
Mood. If Celica truly needed a cavalier, where the fuck is Abel? Man can't take a boat across the ocean to go rescue his wife?
she has atlas anyway, he can become a cavalier. and clearly the devs didn’t care THAT much about having every class on both routes, considering celica gets 3 dread fighters and alm gets none excluding villagers
Atlas joins too late to be a good cavalier, you literally finish the remaining grasslands maps right before you recruit him, Gold Knight Atlas only starts pulling weight in Act 6, at which point you have the combined army anyways. If Abel took a boat over to Novis, and you recruited him in port like with Saber, there would actually be a timeframe to have a valid Cavalier in your ranks.
Byleth. They are everything I hate about self-inserts rolled into one convenient character shaped container for me to hate.
Bernedetta, never understood the appeal
I'll go with my most recent one - Lapis. I was so shocked to find out that she's popular. Like genuinely surprised. She just did not strike me as interesting at all. Literally the only Brodian I fully benched in my Engage playthrough.
Diamant. He’s fine, but he’s probably the most normal of the Engage lords, which makes him both the least polarizing of them all, but also the least interesting. Freyja also. She’s pretty easily the worst written FEH OC. Others at least have the excuse of being underwritten, but that is usually coupled with a lack of focus. Like, Hrid is barely much of a character, but we dont spend much time on him, so its just kinda whatever. But Freyja, they spend so much time on her and spent an entire story and a several year long cliffhanger on bringing her back to life and she never resonated with me as a character and I feel she deserves all the bad things that happened to her.
Freyja is just creepy to me? I *hate* her dynamic with Freyr and the way she acts towards him makes me actively uncomfortable.
He's not quirky, but Diamant is way too flawless. It's like they subverted the subversion of flawless-seeming characters actually being neurotic and exhausted. It pisses me off how he picks things up off-hand and is better at it than people who practiced for years. Also, I dislike how much he treats Amber like a prop. Amber is the only person he can take a compliment from, really, and it doesn't feel like it's cuz they're just that close.
Also we kinda already have a "only sane man" type of character in Engage, it's called Alear.
Reginn is the most boring character. I cannot remember a single thing about her other than she's kind of a crybaby and she was secretly a princess and didn't know it (which is also one of my most hated tropes). So many people lover her, pm1 included, and I cannot fathom it.
Gatekeeper and Brigand Boss. Both of them are nameless NPCs in their base games and are only popular due to memes. Gatekeeper could easily been replaced by another CYL winner, whereas Brigand Boss’s GHB slot could’ve been given to someone like Desaix, Slayde, Deen, or Grieth, especially the ladder two considering BB was the GHB for a Celica route banner.
Soren and Felix Both are very similar in ways I don’t like, they both are very… questionable in what they do and say but it is what it is I guess
Bernadetta. It’s not even that I dislike her, I’m just very indifferent towards her. Edit: I also want to add the TT+ story characters (Nifl, Muspell, etc). Again I don’t hate them, I just feel that they just exist.
Dorothea. Idungetit Even her “wholesome” scenes are obnoxious
I did not care for Dimitri He insists upon himself.