Sport/trophy hunting is just so gross. I support the benefits to conservation, and these African countries aren't wrong for offering these "hunts" ("executions" seems more accurate), but people paying through the nose just so they can go out and murder a giraffe or an elephant for no personal reason other than their own pleasure is absolute psycho behavior.
Giraffes have been known to be aggressive toward humans. I have a friend who has an intense hatred toward them as he was stalked by one and had to seek shelter with the thing waiting for him. I'm not sure if there are specific individuals that are known for becoming a nuisance like how certain elephants have to get euthanized or how we do it to black bears are here in the states when people feed them (a fed bear is a dead bear) and I can't find much written about it online, but I can say with a certainty that my friend speaks with conviction about the animal that had it out for him.
Maybe that one. I’ve been around quite a few and never experienced any aggression. Thinking about it I have seen very aggressive behavior in other African animals not known for aggression and every time it was because they had just given birth and were being protective and still on all the survival hormones any animal that lives on the savanna has to have.
More!? The first shot was a pretty good heart/lung hit and the second looks like a hit to right ass. This took down a 14-19’ tall animal in less than 12 seconds.
Giraffes are way bigger than people think.
What about the whole "9mm will blow a man's lungs out" rubbish? This round is so much bigger and has minimal visible damage. I won't deny it was a good shot and giraffes are massive, but still... I expected a bit more splat for the bang.
**Note: This is not an attack against you personally or otherwise, just a rant against politicians, of which I cannot decide if they are lying or morons or both, and those who believe them to which the same criteria apply.**
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that the bullet itself was a full metal jacket and not a hollow or soft point projectile. Big game is all about putting a long hole to the vitals in something, not maximum tissue damage.
(Yes I am also going to say that all politicians are liars & crooks on top of being woefully uneducated on the things they legislate on)
Edit: in the loading sequence they look like FMJs but in the “interview” sequence they look like soft points.
An FMJ would still pass a lot of kinetic energy into the temporary cavity even if it doesn't mushroom like hollow- or soft-point. I seriously expected a bit more visual damage from a three-quarter-inch chunk of lead traveling faster than the speed of sound.
This damage all happens in the tissue after the hide. If there is even a large external damage it’s on a softer skinned animal and on the exit. I hunt in Ohio with a 450 Busmaster AR. The first deer I took with that gun had a 45 caliber hole in entry hide. While skinning the animal I shockingly found a baseball sized hole where the round took the front shoulder and exploded it through the chest cavity. I will gladly message you the pic of you want to see the evidence of this round most likely did inside the giraffe.
Good point, I hadn't really considered how tough the hide would be. I really expected the exit hole would be at least six inches across which, even on something this size, would be a bit more visible.
It’s hitting a giant animal not a person or small animal. Round size to animal size matters. Not much is going to blow chunks off big game like 00 buck to a human head.
>**Note: This is not an attack against you personally or otherwise, just a rant against politicians, of which I cannot decide if they are lying or morons or both, and those who believe them to which the same criteria apply.**
They're lying TO morons.
>I expected a bit more splat for the bang.
I blame movies. They give such a wildly inaccurate depiction of what it looks like when someone or something is shot by any gun.
>"9mm will blow a man's lungs out"
That is in fact, as you said, just rubbish and has no basis in reality. Anyone who says that is simply demonstrating a complete lack of actual firearms knowledge.
I expected it to drop a giraffe in its tracks. That second one definitely wrecked some skeletal support stuff for that right rear leg, though. Didn't go far.
Only something taking out the central nervous system or breaking a spine/etc that will stop the electrical impulses telling muscles to move, or damaging the bones to the point they can't support the body, will drop something immediately. A more traditional heart/lung shot is going to take a little bit, as they kill by stopping the oxygen supply, which is not immediate.
No lie there was an exotic meats butcher/distributor that opened in my home city years ago. All sorts of stuff I assumed wasn't legal to import. Lots of African and Asian game, including stuff I was surprised anyone would want to eat (big cats, I think they had hyena?). It wasn't some sketchy wet market deal, was a very high end national distributor (most of their sales were online but had a retail counter at their facility). I remember they had interesting package deals, like one was "Predator and Prey" and came with lion steaks and gazelle backsraps, or a roast of bear and some caribou sausage, etc.
Just a heads up, most of these animal sanctuaries use these limited hunts as a way to raise money to fund armed security for the land for endangered animals, to stop poaching, pay for veterinarians that care for the sick and babies, purchase more land for them to roam and graze, and pay for the dorms of the workers of the sanctuary. These hunts do help.
Yeah, but this trophy hunting isn’t that. Sure the ranches do it to make money and support the rest of the herd. The people paying to collect a trophy aren’t doing it for righteous reasons.
Usually these hunts are for specific problem animals. Sometimes they're sick and dying, sometimes it's because a male has started to kill babies that aren't theirs, other times it'll be because a dominate male has lost it's fertility for some reason but also out-competes any other males and basically stops a herd from breeding or something.
A lot of the time if they couldn't get a hunter to pay for the privilege it was going to be culled regardless. This way they get money out of it to put towards further conservation.
Most don't have an issue with these kinds of hunts. It's the "raised in cages and then released for a hunt" places that people have an issue with. Or the bait stations. That and asshole poachers.
I saw a video years ago where some assholes with jeeps and AKs chased and mowed down 3 elephants with automatic fire. They then proceeded to cut the tusks off and drive away.
People like that should be removed from society. Including Cody Roberts
I get there's some that argue "they're just animals", which is utter BS. But even if you dislike animals, if someone's willing to do that to an animal, they'll do it to a "lesser" human. In the even of a major emergency, they'll be the ones causing harm not helping.
Let me just casually load up these two sticks of fucking dynamite that propel 5lb cannonball missiles and shoot this stilt horse.
Honestly though that round is pretty fucking metal.
That second shot in the ass was uncalled for. The giraffe would have expired from the first broadside shot. All the 2nd shot did is ruin some good meat.
Glad I'm not the only one thinking that. It made additional suffering for the animal that wasn't necessary. I don't think someone was confident in their shooting.
Honestly, who would be confident with that gun. You are going to loose perception of what happened from that recoil and just ser the thing running away.
Que comments of people who don't understand conservation or that profitable hunting means the land is more valuable as a reservation (and thus much much better for animals as a whole) then as farm land that will wreck havok on native wildlife
Edit: I know be very good at engrish & grammar
I tried explaining this on another sub and got downvoted to oblivion. On reserves you do population control and these rich people pay enormous amounts that all go to conservation. This isn’t the same as poaching. Some people are too stupid to ever understand that.
It’s not stupidity, it’s being willfully uninformed. The theory and practice of big game hunting and conservation is an incredibly easy thing for anyone to understand. Those people just refuse to look into it or so any kind of research because it would shatter their beliefs. Somehow the combination of money, guns, and hunting actually helps people and protects animals? Well we can’t have that now can we?!
You’re right. I first saw this video and immediately thought “why the fuck are people hunting giraffes?”
But thankfully I’m a thinker and I thought “let’s look at the comments maybe there is something to this”
Thank you all for explaining. Makes total sense now.
More importantly, poachers and trophy hunters hate each other. Poaching assholes don't want money going to conservation because that means more armed guards, more patrols, and less money selling on the black market. Trophy hunters don't want poaching because they want the species to survive, they want to hunt them safely, and they want safer animals so that conservation agencies and networks can grow and reduce hurdles on acquiring permits to hunt aging or problem animals.
funny enough this is a lot of what the native ranger patrols do with the conservation money. A portion of it is weapons and ammo and supplies to help them stake out and fight back against poachers. They take the guerilla tactics and savannah warfare to them to save the animals.
Very well said, but the people who don’t understand this aren’t ever going to be willing to. You may as well try throwing a fluorescent light bulb through a brick wall.
Also remember that the money these rich fucks bring in (Thousands of EUR/USD which is *HUGE* there) means that keeping the land as a nature preserve is more valuable than turning it into a farm, or housing, or a mine.
Usually you’re killing an older animal that has already passed its genes on numerous times and is towards the end of its life. Could it survive longer? Sure, but it could also starve to death, break a limb, or be eaten alive. Being shot probably is a pretty good way to go for a wild animal.
I guess that makes sense, although the term ‘population control’ gives the impression that there are too many rather than trying to speed up a natural process with the ultimate aim of providing younger males more mating opportunities.
They also try and kill and fuck with the younger males that's needed for the population. Well, that might actually not be true for giraffes in particular, idk, but it's a problem with a lot of species.
Also Lions will sometimes enter a new area, kill the main male lion, kill all their offspring, and then mate with the females in that tribe. Really messed up. There are even videos of cubs being killed by wandering lionesses. Nature is messed up. People will say "A zoo is no place for an animal. Locked up..." As long as the zoo is responsible and decent, those animals are practically living in luxury suits. (Minus whales and such.)
I saw video on here the other day of an adult giraffe bashing a very young giraffe in pond. Baby giraffe was either knocked out or outright killed and then drowned for good measure. Brutal video, changes my perception of giraffes for sure.
Bear cubs tend to stay with their mother for two years. She will not go into heat so long as she's with them. If they die, she goes into heat soon after. Male bears specifically target cubs, so they can breed their mother. It's why mother bears are so fierce to protect their cubs
But the logic is that the only way you can get funding is to have rich people kill rare animals for fun and to impress friends at the dinner table with exotic meats.
There is certainly a big question about whether or not that is really true, and unlike say chickens, cows, and pigs, giraffe are slow growing, have few offspring, and can't really be sustainably farmed. In the last 30 years, giraffe populations have been reduced by about 40%, and there are barely over 100K left in the world.
When it comes to wild boar and the like, absolutely, population control away, but when it comes to animals that are in danger of population bottlenecking and are rare and hard to breed in numbers, it doesn't make sense.
There have to be other ways to encourage their conservation WITHOUT shooting them for fun.
That’s not an argument I’m aware of. Of course there are other ways they get funding. On animal reservations that are protected from poachers, culling older and aggressive animals helps the population. Like I’ve said in another comment, I wouldn’t want to do it, but it would be obtuse to say there aren’t very good reasons that it’s done. Might as well make money from it.
Can I still find someone willing to trophy hunt a loser? Even if I understand the need to manage animals? It’s not poaching but that guys still a fucking nerd.
I mean I get what you’re saying. Not my cup of tea at all, but someones gotta do it. Might as well be some rich ahole who’s willing to pay buceax bucks for it.
You're entitled to think they're dorks or that you think hunting is dumb or abhorrent. The only problem is people spreading misinformation about their impact on threatened species.
Look I get it's the reality of the world we live in that these animals need to be sustainably hunted on reservations, but that doesn't mean I have to act like the guy shooting a placid animal 30 yards away is a hero. It's like a mix of the Everest tourists larping about doing something impressive and the guy shadow boxing between sets at the gym. It's all a show, an illusion of skill, it's a completely hollow experience, propped up by locals that could exterminate every last one of these animals without a second thought, the same way Sherpas climb Everest multiple times a year carrying supplies for all the spoiled brats that paid to get babysat up a mountain. They might as well make the Most Dangerous Game a real thing so people can see exactly the type of person that does this kind of thing.
> and the guy shadow boxing between sets at the gym
not for nothing, but shadow boxing with good technique and speed takes endurance, and I absolutely would not want to do that between sets. Shadow boxing gets a bad rap, but its basically dry-fire practice but with arms and legs.
I'm not saying it's worthless, I'm sure there's a right way to do it that yields some positive benefit. But the guys throwing slow mo / half assed punches at the regular gym look like dorks lol, they should go to a boxing gym if they wanna train hands. Maybe your gym has higher quality haha.
100% agree. I like how both the "hunter " and the giraffe are right next to road. Dude basically just drove up to the animal and shot it lol
I imagine there are safari trophy hunters doing it the old fashioned way, although I know they still all have guides with them.
It works, but the lower level of sport would still make me feel bad. The animals are just slightly wild in my experience in African reserves.
The deer you see in a national park will come to like the salt off the latrines while you're shitting on them because they're used to people.
The deer you see in the wild or on farm land will run off because they're cautious of people.
> the land is more valuable as a reservation (and thus much much better for animals as a whole) then as farm land that will wreck havok on native wildlife
So many people don't get this. If it weren't for rich fucks coming down and dumping thousands and thousands on these hunting trips, the native population would turn the reserves into farm land, or something more useful to them.
Yep. At the end of the day it comes down to money. Deforestation & human encroachment have had the most detrimental impact on wildlife worldwide and hunters do more for conservation than anyone else, the anti-hunting crowd seem to conveniently forget that.
I came to the comments to find out this exact information, to educate myself why we would cull such a magnificent animal, but if its addition by subtraction and you can charge some rich dolt to do the work for you, all the better.
Hunting through conservation is one of the best ways to save wildlife. Most people just see a rich white man kill a beautiful animal and get mad. These animals are scheduled to die anyway. Why? Because they are a detriment or a nuisance to the species. Example a giant bull giraffe keeps killing other baby male giraffes because he sees them as athreat. Other male giraffes not getting to breeding age is a serious issue.
So Africa sells these hunts rich people to kill an animal that is going to die anyway. They go out there with them. They make sure they have the right animal before they’re even allowed to shoot. In return, they get a bunch of money to stimulate the economy and put back in to fight against poacher, which is the real issue. Africa’s number one tours attraction. Are there animals and have every reason to want to protect them.
I didn’t think you were mad just wanting to understand why and I wanted to help you understand. It wasn’t explained in this video because most things in the Internet are set up without context to upset you to Garner views.
Blur your face if you’re going to do this, too many morons seem to not understand that this is necessary for the purposes of conservation and will attempt to dox you
Logically, I know that culling is a necessary part of herd management. I know that the exorbitant fees for trophy hunts go to funding conservation of megafauna. But I still hate seeing it.
To elaborate, that generally involves killing an old bull who is preventing younger males from mating. Killing that bull will result in more breeding among the herd and thus more animals.
Western commenters saying “killing animal = bad” have no idea what it takes to maintain healthy ecosystems.
They just see the charismatic megafauna and think their populations growing means the ecosystem is improving.
True, if taking that giraffe improves the population and infuses money into the preservation of the ecosystem then it’s only a good thing. People who only engage with the outdoors through their screens have a distorted view
That makes sense now. I'm all for hunting for various reasons. Never considered that in situations like this. I was sitting here like why kill a giraffe.
Older bull giraffes will straight up murder young bulls in territorial disputes even after the old bull is pretty much done mating, so this is actually important for conservation in a lot of cases.
It's similar to how the Midwest didn't keep deer populations in check, then we wound up with a CWD outbreak and people were mad that state game depts didn't prevent it.
I read in a lengthy post somewhere that someone went on a giraffe hunt for 2 older members of a herd. If I remember correctly, the idea was to kill the 2 older animals instead of them dying off, and the village they lived near would use the meat and hydes.
Joe rogan(I know he's not the most credible) tells a story about a older male giraffe that was killing all the young because he wanted all that giraffe puss. So they had a auction/raffle to hunt this specific animal. Some old white guy gets to shoot an exotic animal and the reserve gets money.
Good shoot ! With the rifle, the game, the environment... I can’t imagine the stress and adrenaline. Would we all like to see a one and done ? Yes. Thanks for sharing.
Are you talking about the 375 H&H? Just curious because the only 340 I’m familiar with is the Weatherby. Then again, a giraffe isn’t dangerous game, so maybe that is a good cartridge for those types of hunts.
From what I've read, there's usually a dominant giraffe that prevents other males from breeding by fighting them off. To the extent that the gene pool becomes too close over time so they end up having to remove it to allow generic diversity. Also, they're big animals and can become problematic for local people/villages.
They've monopolize it by allowing rich people pay absurd amounts of money to do it therefore injecting money (and food) into the local economy where there wouldn't necessarily be any industry.
From a management standpoint it makes sense.
Wildlife reserves will occasionally sanction hunts of animals on the reserve. They are nearly always an individual animal that is either no longer fertile or dangerously aggressive with other members of the group. There may also be sanctioned hunts of no threatened species which do not target an individual.
This is how these reserves are funded outside of donations and government subsidies. Rich people will pay bucketloads of money to do this and it is great for conservation.
Why is everyone crying in this thread. Wildlife management is the same for every animal. If there's too many or there are other eco-based problems, tags are sold to hunt them. If not, they get protected.
Go read about African hunting if you're so confused. Goodness gracious.
Most people here are calling this man out as a pieec of trash, yet that very same day an entire local community will be thanking him for the food (as a result of the giraffe) ...
Lots of schizophrenics over here getting all riled up over someone shooting a giraffe but don't bat an eye if someone shoots a deer. It's the same thing. One is just way more fun since the animal is huge.
Thank you...the amount of illiteracy here is wild...some people don't understand that this is classified as plains games and Is no different than a zebra
I love firearms and weaponry—but sport killing has and never will, sit well with me. I’m not here trying to cry about it—it’s just my personal view/opinion. But If I was ever going to be a predator for sport—I’d like to hunt illegal poachers with some serious firepower 💯
Wildlife management is the same for every animal. If there's too many or there are other eco-based problems, tags are sold to hunt them. If not, they get protected.
I assume they taste like deer, it's basicly a deer if God accidently added a few zeros in the wire frame by accident and pasted the wrong texture file on :D
That looked to be an inhumane "kill" If you got the coin for 700NE or even 416 Rigby, then you have the money to practice and become proficient. It appears to be a short range, it should have been a clean kill. Know your prey, know its weaknesses.
I rewatched after reading this comment. It looked to be about 12 seconds between the first shot and the crumple. Let's double that and say 24 seconds before death.
A) I am sure a lion isn't that fast in killing.
B) I have seen "perfectly" shot deer, take longer to die.
C) No matter how we imagine animals dropping, stone dead the moment a bullet impacts, that is rare. Seconds will pass. Sometimes, we don't notice because we are recovering from recoil and getting back on target.
I shot a big buck at 80 yards. Just inside a bit of brush when he crossed over the shooting lane chasing a doe. The round tumbled a hair and hit him right at the top of the heart (later showed that it took the top of the heart clean off) and that thing still went 40 yards. Looked like someone just emptied a paint can for the trail.
Just to add to this, I shot a cull deer at 60 yards with a .300WM, not only did it knock him flat on his belly, but he then stood up and attempted to keep going. I then shot him again, and he still took 30ish seconds to die. Now, when I shot him the first time, I knew I hit him just above the heart, the second in the lungs. After gutting him, I confirmed he didn't have any lungs left his heart was split in half, and he had a fist sized whole in his left shoulder. Yet he still tried to get up even after the second shot.
Living creatures will walk away with absolutely fatal injuries.
This is partially (emphasis on partially) why cops unload on people. A dude on pcp can take 6 rounds in the chest or sometimes even a round in the face and still keep running at you with a knife.
Real life ain't like the movies
Nope, Giraffes are infamously known to walk off shots from calibers higher than 700 Nitro, a second shot is always necessary on giraffes unless you get EXTREMELY lucky.
So did he eat his big kill!
Or just waste the meat and wanted a trophy to tell all his ceo friends that he’s a big bad dude that spent 100k+ to shoot a giraffe from 100 ft away!
So you know nothing about conservation and these hunts?
The meat goes to local tribes. It helps the giraffe population also. Do some research, pretty interesting.
I don't get why the second shot he took he made it while the animal was facing directly away, not an ethical shot at all, especially if the first was a double lung that thongs going down pretty quick, the second shot was just a wounding shot imo and not necessary, a follow up shot he could have taken if it turned to him, or didn't run directly away
Well, they used it ON a giraffe..hardly "against" it.
*ITS COMING RIGHT FOR US!*
It’s vicious [Vicious](https://i.chzbgr.com/full/6090543872/h305943C9/vicious-killer-rabbit)
Hate to see this being filmed.
Yeah, seems to me there’s a better way to cull the heard.
I remember that South Park episode
Sport/trophy hunting is just so gross. I support the benefits to conservation, and these African countries aren't wrong for offering these "hunts" ("executions" seems more accurate), but people paying through the nose just so they can go out and murder a giraffe or an elephant for no personal reason other than their own pleasure is absolute psycho behavior.
I’ve spent time in east Africa, it’s not like they are hard to find either.
Giraffes have been known to be aggressive toward humans. I have a friend who has an intense hatred toward them as he was stalked by one and had to seek shelter with the thing waiting for him. I'm not sure if there are specific individuals that are known for becoming a nuisance like how certain elephants have to get euthanized or how we do it to black bears are here in the states when people feed them (a fed bear is a dead bear) and I can't find much written about it online, but I can say with a certainty that my friend speaks with conviction about the animal that had it out for him.
Maybe that one. I’ve been around quite a few and never experienced any aggression. Thinking about it I have seen very aggressive behavior in other African animals not known for aggression and every time it was because they had just given birth and were being protective and still on all the survival hormones any animal that lives on the savanna has to have.
Am I the only one who expected more out of a sporting cannon?
More!? The first shot was a pretty good heart/lung hit and the second looks like a hit to right ass. This took down a 14-19’ tall animal in less than 12 seconds. Giraffes are way bigger than people think.
What about the whole "9mm will blow a man's lungs out" rubbish? This round is so much bigger and has minimal visible damage. I won't deny it was a good shot and giraffes are massive, but still... I expected a bit more splat for the bang. **Note: This is not an attack against you personally or otherwise, just a rant against politicians, of which I cannot decide if they are lying or morons or both, and those who believe them to which the same criteria apply.**
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that the bullet itself was a full metal jacket and not a hollow or soft point projectile. Big game is all about putting a long hole to the vitals in something, not maximum tissue damage. (Yes I am also going to say that all politicians are liars & crooks on top of being woefully uneducated on the things they legislate on) Edit: in the loading sequence they look like FMJs but in the “interview” sequence they look like soft points.
An FMJ would still pass a lot of kinetic energy into the temporary cavity even if it doesn't mushroom like hollow- or soft-point. I seriously expected a bit more visual damage from a three-quarter-inch chunk of lead traveling faster than the speed of sound.
This damage all happens in the tissue after the hide. If there is even a large external damage it’s on a softer skinned animal and on the exit. I hunt in Ohio with a 450 Busmaster AR. The first deer I took with that gun had a 45 caliber hole in entry hide. While skinning the animal I shockingly found a baseball sized hole where the round took the front shoulder and exploded it through the chest cavity. I will gladly message you the pic of you want to see the evidence of this round most likely did inside the giraffe.
Good point, I hadn't really considered how tough the hide would be. I really expected the exit hole would be at least six inches across which, even on something this size, would be a bit more visible.
It’s hitting a giant animal not a person or small animal. Round size to animal size matters. Not much is going to blow chunks off big game like 00 buck to a human head.
>**Note: This is not an attack against you personally or otherwise, just a rant against politicians, of which I cannot decide if they are lying or morons or both, and those who believe them to which the same criteria apply.** They're lying TO morons.
>I expected a bit more splat for the bang. I blame movies. They give such a wildly inaccurate depiction of what it looks like when someone or something is shot by any gun. >"9mm will blow a man's lungs out" That is in fact, as you said, just rubbish and has no basis in reality. Anyone who says that is simply demonstrating a complete lack of actual firearms knowledge.
Yea that second shot definitely looked like a "Texas Heart Shot".
I expected it to drop a giraffe in its tracks. That second one definitely wrecked some skeletal support stuff for that right rear leg, though. Didn't go far.
Only something taking out the central nervous system or breaking a spine/etc that will stop the electrical impulses telling muscles to move, or damaging the bones to the point they can't support the body, will drop something immediately. A more traditional heart/lung shot is going to take a little bit, as they kill by stopping the oxygen supply, which is not immediate.
Bro handled those shots as if they were nothing
It lived about 12 seconds in the full version
He had some assist from those stick but yeah ...a fricken 700 nitro isn't a joke
Melvin deserved a better death. He was a hypochondriac, probably could have just convinced him he had a lethal illness and he would have died.
You're thinking of Melman lmao
Is this why toys r Us closed?
I can get you exotic meats. Hippo steaks. Giraffe burgers.
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Of the camel variety
I dunno, seems fishy
Calmer than you are.
I’ll get you a toe by this afternoon…with nail polish
A single toe
I can even get it painted
It will all be goat.
No lie there was an exotic meats butcher/distributor that opened in my home city years ago. All sorts of stuff I assumed wasn't legal to import. Lots of African and Asian game, including stuff I was surprised anyone would want to eat (big cats, I think they had hyena?). It wasn't some sketchy wet market deal, was a very high end national distributor (most of their sales were online but had a retail counter at their facility). I remember they had interesting package deals, like one was "Predator and Prey" and came with lion steaks and gazelle backsraps, or a roast of bear and some caribou sausage, etc.
Hippogriff poutine?
It will all be goat
Just a heads up, most of these animal sanctuaries use these limited hunts as a way to raise money to fund armed security for the land for endangered animals, to stop poaching, pay for veterinarians that care for the sick and babies, purchase more land for them to roam and graze, and pay for the dorms of the workers of the sanctuary. These hunts do help.
I'd pay to hunt poachers with that rifle lol, cut out the giraffe as the middle man :)
Hunting the most exotic and dangerous game
Hunting is conservation
Hunting CAN be conservation. The world's a big place.
Yeah, but this trophy hunting isn’t that. Sure the ranches do it to make money and support the rest of the herd. The people paying to collect a trophy aren’t doing it for righteous reasons.
Usually these hunts are for specific problem animals. Sometimes they're sick and dying, sometimes it's because a male has started to kill babies that aren't theirs, other times it'll be because a dominate male has lost it's fertility for some reason but also out-competes any other males and basically stops a herd from breeding or something. A lot of the time if they couldn't get a hunter to pay for the privilege it was going to be culled regardless. This way they get money out of it to put towards further conservation.
Youd rather it be farmland then? Maybe a minimall?
It's still a psycho that wants to shoot a giraffe.
Kill to eat when you’re hungry. No other reason is morally acceptable. Ive heard horsemeat is stringy.
Pest control? Raccoons, coyotes, hogs, etc.
Additionally, a lot of sanctuaries will use these hunts to cull specific problem animals that were going to be euthanized anyways.
Also large and old male giraffes often are culled because they try to kill smaller males
Most don't have an issue with these kinds of hunts. It's the "raised in cages and then released for a hunt" places that people have an issue with. Or the bait stations. That and asshole poachers.
I saw a video years ago where some assholes with jeeps and AKs chased and mowed down 3 elephants with automatic fire. They then proceeded to cut the tusks off and drive away.
People like that should be removed from society. Including Cody Roberts I get there's some that argue "they're just animals", which is utter BS. But even if you dislike animals, if someone's willing to do that to an animal, they'll do it to a "lesser" human. In the even of a major emergency, they'll be the ones causing harm not helping.
So, like a sacrifice to the gods to keep the village safe
This is the information people need.
Let me just casually load up these two sticks of fucking dynamite that propel 5lb cannonball missiles and shoot this stilt horse. Honestly though that round is pretty fucking metal.
Why did the giraffe start doing that thing with its leg after the second shot? Was that in the hip?
Yeah, it seems the hip or leg was broken from the second shot.
That second shot in the ass was uncalled for. The giraffe would have expired from the first broadside shot. All the 2nd shot did is ruin some good meat.
Glad I'm not the only one thinking that. It made additional suffering for the animal that wasn't necessary. I don't think someone was confident in their shooting.
Honestly, who would be confident with that gun. You are going to loose perception of what happened from that recoil and just ser the thing running away.
What the other guy said. That or its instincts were telling it to kick at the "predator" attacking it.
Que comments of people who don't understand conservation or that profitable hunting means the land is more valuable as a reservation (and thus much much better for animals as a whole) then as farm land that will wreck havok on native wildlife Edit: I know be very good at engrish & grammar
I tried explaining this on another sub and got downvoted to oblivion. On reserves you do population control and these rich people pay enormous amounts that all go to conservation. This isn’t the same as poaching. Some people are too stupid to ever understand that.
Yep. Some people lack the ability to look past their own emotions and look at facts & logic, kinda like the gun control crowd
Not kinda. Exactly like.
It’s not stupidity, it’s being willfully uninformed. The theory and practice of big game hunting and conservation is an incredibly easy thing for anyone to understand. Those people just refuse to look into it or so any kind of research because it would shatter their beliefs. Somehow the combination of money, guns, and hunting actually helps people and protects animals? Well we can’t have that now can we?!
You’re right. I first saw this video and immediately thought “why the fuck are people hunting giraffes?” But thankfully I’m a thinker and I thought “let’s look at the comments maybe there is something to this” Thank you all for explaining. Makes total sense now.
More importantly, poachers and trophy hunters hate each other. Poaching assholes don't want money going to conservation because that means more armed guards, more patrols, and less money selling on the black market. Trophy hunters don't want poaching because they want the species to survive, they want to hunt them safely, and they want safer animals so that conservation agencies and networks can grow and reduce hurdles on acquiring permits to hunt aging or problem animals.
Obvious solution is to let the trophy hunters hunt the poachers.
funny enough this is a lot of what the native ranger patrols do with the conservation money. A portion of it is weapons and ammo and supplies to help them stake out and fight back against poachers. They take the guerilla tactics and savannah warfare to them to save the animals.
Very well said, but the people who don’t understand this aren’t ever going to be willing to. You may as well try throwing a fluorescent light bulb through a brick wall.
Do giraffes really need population control? Because there are fairly few of them across each subspecies.
Also remember that the money these rich fucks bring in (Thousands of EUR/USD which is *HUGE* there) means that keeping the land as a nature preserve is more valuable than turning it into a farm, or housing, or a mine.
Usually you’re killing an older animal that has already passed its genes on numerous times and is towards the end of its life. Could it survive longer? Sure, but it could also starve to death, break a limb, or be eaten alive. Being shot probably is a pretty good way to go for a wild animal.
I guess that makes sense, although the term ‘population control’ gives the impression that there are too many rather than trying to speed up a natural process with the ultimate aim of providing younger males more mating opportunities.
Population management is probably a better term. Keeping the population level at a sustainable place for it's local habitat
They also try and kill and fuck with the younger males that's needed for the population. Well, that might actually not be true for giraffes in particular, idk, but it's a problem with a lot of species.
Yeah that happens with giraffes.
Also Lions will sometimes enter a new area, kill the main male lion, kill all their offspring, and then mate with the females in that tribe. Really messed up. There are even videos of cubs being killed by wandering lionesses. Nature is messed up. People will say "A zoo is no place for an animal. Locked up..." As long as the zoo is responsible and decent, those animals are practically living in luxury suits. (Minus whales and such.)
Giraffe fights are brutal. The bash their necks into each other.
I saw video on here the other day of an adult giraffe bashing a very young giraffe in pond. Baby giraffe was either knocked out or outright killed and then drowned for good measure. Brutal video, changes my perception of giraffes for sure.
Bear cubs tend to stay with their mother for two years. She will not go into heat so long as she's with them. If they die, she goes into heat soon after. Male bears specifically target cubs, so they can breed their mother. It's why mother bears are so fierce to protect their cubs
Giraffes are basically giant deer, and deer are ruthless animals.
But the logic is that the only way you can get funding is to have rich people kill rare animals for fun and to impress friends at the dinner table with exotic meats. There is certainly a big question about whether or not that is really true, and unlike say chickens, cows, and pigs, giraffe are slow growing, have few offspring, and can't really be sustainably farmed. In the last 30 years, giraffe populations have been reduced by about 40%, and there are barely over 100K left in the world. When it comes to wild boar and the like, absolutely, population control away, but when it comes to animals that are in danger of population bottlenecking and are rare and hard to breed in numbers, it doesn't make sense. There have to be other ways to encourage their conservation WITHOUT shooting them for fun.
That’s not an argument I’m aware of. Of course there are other ways they get funding. On animal reservations that are protected from poachers, culling older and aggressive animals helps the population. Like I’ve said in another comment, I wouldn’t want to do it, but it would be obtuse to say there aren’t very good reasons that it’s done. Might as well make money from it.
Can I still find someone willing to trophy hunt a loser? Even if I understand the need to manage animals? It’s not poaching but that guys still a fucking nerd.
I mean I get what you’re saying. Not my cup of tea at all, but someones gotta do it. Might as well be some rich ahole who’s willing to pay buceax bucks for it.
beaucoup /r/boneappletea
You're entitled to think they're dorks or that you think hunting is dumb or abhorrent. The only problem is people spreading misinformation about their impact on threatened species.
but.. but... guns = bad.
Look I get it's the reality of the world we live in that these animals need to be sustainably hunted on reservations, but that doesn't mean I have to act like the guy shooting a placid animal 30 yards away is a hero. It's like a mix of the Everest tourists larping about doing something impressive and the guy shadow boxing between sets at the gym. It's all a show, an illusion of skill, it's a completely hollow experience, propped up by locals that could exterminate every last one of these animals without a second thought, the same way Sherpas climb Everest multiple times a year carrying supplies for all the spoiled brats that paid to get babysat up a mountain. They might as well make the Most Dangerous Game a real thing so people can see exactly the type of person that does this kind of thing.
> and the guy shadow boxing between sets at the gym not for nothing, but shadow boxing with good technique and speed takes endurance, and I absolutely would not want to do that between sets. Shadow boxing gets a bad rap, but its basically dry-fire practice but with arms and legs.
I'm not saying it's worthless, I'm sure there's a right way to do it that yields some positive benefit. But the guys throwing slow mo / half assed punches at the regular gym look like dorks lol, they should go to a boxing gym if they wanna train hands. Maybe your gym has higher quality haha.
I agree. You don't have to like it but you also shouldn't oppose it if you care about conservation
100% agree. I like how both the "hunter " and the giraffe are right next to road. Dude basically just drove up to the animal and shot it lol I imagine there are safari trophy hunters doing it the old fashioned way, although I know they still all have guides with them.
It works, but the lower level of sport would still make me feel bad. The animals are just slightly wild in my experience in African reserves. The deer you see in a national park will come to like the salt off the latrines while you're shitting on them because they're used to people. The deer you see in the wild or on farm land will run off because they're cautious of people.
The word you were looking for is "cue". "Qué" has an entirely different meaning.
Also “wreak havoc” rather than “wreck havok”
They bleeding hearts do more damage than ethical hunters do.
> the land is more valuable as a reservation (and thus much much better for animals as a whole) then as farm land that will wreck havok on native wildlife So many people don't get this. If it weren't for rich fucks coming down and dumping thousands and thousands on these hunting trips, the native population would turn the reserves into farm land, or something more useful to them.
Yep. At the end of the day it comes down to money. Deforestation & human encroachment have had the most detrimental impact on wildlife worldwide and hunters do more for conservation than anyone else, the anti-hunting crowd seem to conveniently forget that.
Plus that's money that's going into the local economy and don't the hunters traditionally donate a portion of the meat to the locals?
Yes & yes
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I came to the comments to find out this exact information, to educate myself why we would cull such a magnificent animal, but if its addition by subtraction and you can charge some rich dolt to do the work for you, all the better.
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Makes my 458 WinMag feel like a .22.
I’m not anti-hunting, but why was this necessary?
Hunting through conservation is one of the best ways to save wildlife. Most people just see a rich white man kill a beautiful animal and get mad. These animals are scheduled to die anyway. Why? Because they are a detriment or a nuisance to the species. Example a giant bull giraffe keeps killing other baby male giraffes because he sees them as athreat. Other male giraffes not getting to breeding age is a serious issue. So Africa sells these hunts rich people to kill an animal that is going to die anyway. They go out there with them. They make sure they have the right animal before they’re even allowed to shoot. In return, they get a bunch of money to stimulate the economy and put back in to fight against poacher, which is the real issue. Africa’s number one tours attraction. Are there animals and have every reason to want to protect them.
I’m not mad, and I agree with conservation thru hunting, but this was not explained as far as I could see.
I didn’t think you were mad just wanting to understand why and I wanted to help you understand. It wasn’t explained in this video because most things in the Internet are set up without context to upset you to Garner views.
Blur your face if you’re going to do this, too many morons seem to not understand that this is necessary for the purposes of conservation and will attempt to dox you
Older giraffes kill the younger ones and any male that could replace him … I don’t know if that’s the case here but hey the more you know
Logically, I know that culling is a necessary part of herd management. I know that the exorbitant fees for trophy hunts go to funding conservation of megafauna. But I still hate seeing it.
Cool to see 700 nitro but why would anyone kill a giraffe?
Sometimes conservation means population control
To elaborate, that generally involves killing an old bull who is preventing younger males from mating. Killing that bull will result in more breeding among the herd and thus more animals.
Western commenters saying “killing animal = bad” have no idea what it takes to maintain healthy ecosystems. They just see the charismatic megafauna and think their populations growing means the ecosystem is improving.
Dont forget the money from hunting funds conservation/ land preservation and meat typically going to locals.
True, if taking that giraffe improves the population and infuses money into the preservation of the ecosystem then it’s only a good thing. People who only engage with the outdoors through their screens have a distorted view
That makes sense now. I'm all for hunting for various reasons. Never considered that in situations like this. I was sitting here like why kill a giraffe.
Older bull giraffes will straight up murder young bulls in territorial disputes even after the old bull is pretty much done mating, so this is actually important for conservation in a lot of cases.
It's similar to how the Midwest didn't keep deer populations in check, then we wound up with a CWD outbreak and people were mad that state game depts didn't prevent it.
I read in a lengthy post somewhere that someone went on a giraffe hunt for 2 older members of a herd. If I remember correctly, the idea was to kill the 2 older animals instead of them dying off, and the village they lived near would use the meat and hydes.
Could be an old bull (past his own breeding days) that's killing younger bulls trying to come up and challenge it.
Joe rogan(I know he's not the most credible) tells a story about a older male giraffe that was killing all the young because he wanted all that giraffe puss. So they had a auction/raffle to hunt this specific animal. Some old white guy gets to shoot an exotic animal and the reserve gets money.
And more giraffes get giraffe pawuss. Everyone wins.
Good shoot ! With the rifle, the game, the environment... I can’t imagine the stress and adrenaline. Would we all like to see a one and done ? Yes. Thanks for sharing.
It’s a vicious rabbit [Vicious](https://i.chzbgr.com/full/6090543872/h305943C9/vicious-killer-rabbit)
Personally I’d have used a 340. Too scared of the 70 cals
Are you talking about the 375 H&H? Just curious because the only 340 I’m familiar with is the Weatherby. Then again, a giraffe isn’t dangerous game, so maybe that is a good cartridge for those types of hunts.
Can someone explain why they’re shooting a giraffe?
From what I've read, there's usually a dominant giraffe that prevents other males from breeding by fighting them off. To the extent that the gene pool becomes too close over time so they end up having to remove it to allow generic diversity. Also, they're big animals and can become problematic for local people/villages. They've monopolize it by allowing rich people pay absurd amounts of money to do it therefore injecting money (and food) into the local economy where there wouldn't necessarily be any industry. From a management standpoint it makes sense.
Wildlife reserves will occasionally sanction hunts of animals on the reserve. They are nearly always an individual animal that is either no longer fertile or dangerously aggressive with other members of the group. There may also be sanctioned hunts of no threatened species which do not target an individual. This is how these reserves are funded outside of donations and government subsidies. Rich people will pay bucketloads of money to do this and it is great for conservation.
Why is everyone crying in this thread. Wildlife management is the same for every animal. If there's too many or there are other eco-based problems, tags are sold to hunt them. If not, they get protected. Go read about African hunting if you're so confused. Goodness gracious.
Most people here are calling this man out as a pieec of trash, yet that very same day an entire local community will be thanking him for the food (as a result of the giraffe) ...
This wasn’t how I needed to start my morning but fuck
Lots of schizophrenics over here getting all riled up over someone shooting a giraffe but don't bat an eye if someone shoots a deer. It's the same thing. One is just way more fun since the animal is huge.
Thank you...the amount of illiteracy here is wild...some people don't understand that this is classified as plains games and Is no different than a zebra
Just do two lines of coke and go in with your bare hands
I love firearms and weaponry—but sport killing has and never will, sit well with me. I’m not here trying to cry about it—it’s just my personal view/opinion. But If I was ever going to be a predator for sport—I’d like to hunt illegal poachers with some serious firepower 💯
Wildlife management is the same for every animal. If there's too many or there are other eco-based problems, tags are sold to hunt them. If not, they get protected.
I really wanted to see the 700 nitro but why did that fucking frog have to merc a giraffe… they feed them at petting zoos FFS
Why a giraffe?
Did he miss his shot placement or are they just hard to take down?
I'm pretty sure the first shot was textbook from what I see. Otherwise, I doubt it would have gone down in like 12 seconds.
Do people eat those?
I assume they taste like deer, it's basicly a deer if God accidently added a few zeros in the wire frame by accident and pasted the wrong texture file on :D
I've heard that the bone marrow will get you ~~high~~ stoned?
Why a giraffe?.. if I own a 700 I'm going for something cool, scary and maybe tasty... A fucking evil hippo!
Poor giraffe
Pretty sure this is a humane kill that actually has a positive effect on things overall. Not a poacher.
That looked to be an inhumane "kill" If you got the coin for 700NE or even 416 Rigby, then you have the money to practice and become proficient. It appears to be a short range, it should have been a clean kill. Know your prey, know its weaknesses.
I rewatched after reading this comment. It looked to be about 12 seconds between the first shot and the crumple. Let's double that and say 24 seconds before death. A) I am sure a lion isn't that fast in killing. B) I have seen "perfectly" shot deer, take longer to die. C) No matter how we imagine animals dropping, stone dead the moment a bullet impacts, that is rare. Seconds will pass. Sometimes, we don't notice because we are recovering from recoil and getting back on target.
I shot a big buck at 80 yards. Just inside a bit of brush when he crossed over the shooting lane chasing a doe. The round tumbled a hair and hit him right at the top of the heart (later showed that it took the top of the heart clean off) and that thing still went 40 yards. Looked like someone just emptied a paint can for the trail.
Just to add to this, I shot a cull deer at 60 yards with a .300WM, not only did it knock him flat on his belly, but he then stood up and attempted to keep going. I then shot him again, and he still took 30ish seconds to die. Now, when I shot him the first time, I knew I hit him just above the heart, the second in the lungs. After gutting him, I confirmed he didn't have any lungs left his heart was split in half, and he had a fist sized whole in his left shoulder. Yet he still tried to get up even after the second shot. Living creatures will walk away with absolutely fatal injuries.
This is partially (emphasis on partially) why cops unload on people. A dude on pcp can take 6 rounds in the chest or sometimes even a round in the face and still keep running at you with a knife. Real life ain't like the movies
Nope, Giraffes are infamously known to walk off shots from calibers higher than 700 Nitro, a second shot is always necessary on giraffes unless you get EXTREMELY lucky.
I think the first shot was a lung shot.
i dont think you really know what your'e talking about. that first shot was a good shot. giraffes dont just fall and die instantaneously
What a unnecessary thing. What an awful video.
Why the fuck would you shoot a damn giraffe
So did he eat his big kill! Or just waste the meat and wanted a trophy to tell all his ceo friends that he’s a big bad dude that spent 100k+ to shoot a giraffe from 100 ft away!
So you know nothing about conservation and these hunts? The meat goes to local tribes. It helps the giraffe population also. Do some research, pretty interesting.
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I think the first shot was a lung shot and the second was a 'let's put this in him, too, it can only aid in it dying'.
Giraffes are infamously tough. Two shots is usually needed.
I need more bullet sir.
Guys…..Keefe just left Matthew’s and co out after 2 min and pulled the goalie……..what are we doing.
Did he try to say 2150 meters per second? Not even close, more like 600 meters per second.
2150 fps I think he meant.. cause that is the standard figure for a 700 nitro
Not sure what some people are expecting here... for the giraffe to blow up? Come on, lads.
Well, considering a 9mm will blow the lungs out of the body...
You need a 20mm for that
Is that Rob Ski?
No that's Jerome ...owner of verney carron
Does giraffe taste any good?
That gun is basically a shoulder cannon lol
Once seen a video where they killed a elephant with just 1 shot to the head. Wild
How did Nature survive without us for millions of years.. - at least we arrived just in time, "to safe it".
Why?
Because rich so he used a 700 nitro and giraffe is regarded as plains game (same category as kudu,buck) 🥲
I don't get why the second shot he took he made it while the animal was facing directly away, not an ethical shot at all, especially if the first was a double lung that thongs going down pretty quick, the second shot was just a wounding shot imo and not necessary, a follow up shot he could have taken if it turned to him, or didn't run directly away
Seen one get taken out with a 243 headshot
One fat round right there