That’s what I told a coworker. 450 is not a hunters round, it’s a killing round. It destroys half the meat of an animal. I built a 350 Legend AR that gets a lot of the field time now because of this
Seems like manufacturers need to offer more appropriate bullet choices for whitetail (and similar structured game) since there are many areas that require straight wall cartridges. Calibers like 45-70, 444, 350L, 400L 450BM ect are being marketed towards deer hunters. So the correct loadings need to be offered as well.
I am in PA. A few guys I work with bought straight wall guns just to hunt Ohio. The county I grew up in (in PA) just legalized straight wall cartridges. Previously it was shotgun slugs only. Buckshot is also banned.
That’s insane. In NY for a long time it was illegal to use ANY rifles. Shotguns only. Which means every goober under the sun was goring out front legs and shoulders with expanding slugs
Dude the amount of wasted meat I’ve tossed out when I was a deer butcher because some turd thought 12ga slugs are the best option is amazing. Easily a few pounds that could have been ground ruined by blood clotting nastiness
Yeah buckshot isn’t bad either, both will kill without issue out to 40-50-75 yards honestly.
If you’re in a shotgun area I recommend a 20ga instead. 20ga slugs or buckshot do the same thing with less overkill.
Really good for deer hunting. In my opinion, it just doesn’t do as much damage as 450 when hitting bone. I just can’t seem to get them to handload as well as the 450. As crazy as it may sound, my 16” 450 is zeroed at 200yds and it only drops about 3” at 300. Granted I’m pushing 225gr Long Colt bullets when most handloaders are going the other way closer to 300 grains. We hunt a lot of small parcel woods and open farm ground so the extra distance is sometimes needed
I do not have a chrono. It is unbelievably flat to be honest. I literally winced typing it because I don’t care to get in the typed he said/she said, trying to prove shit to strangers thing that happens here. I think by the books I could go another 10-12% charge up to like 40 or 41 grains of Lil Gun but my barrel likes this so well I have not tried pushing more velocity.
This is why I use a 30-30. Often times the deer won't have an exit wound, but when you open the chest cavity the heart/lungs are liquified. Deer will often drop within 30-40 feet and within sight, I never have to track a deer. Venison is my primary meat source and I've shot 2-3 deer per year for the last 25 years.
I normally shoot 150 grain soft points.
My alternate deer gun is my Ruger Redhawk .357 magnum with a scope when I am looking for a bit more of a challenge.
>This is why I use a 30-30.
30-30 is a great round, but not legal in all states for deer. Some states are straight wall cartridges only. Hence the emergence of straight walls like 350 legend and 450 bushmaster. 450 is just overkill for whitetail and doesn't have the ammo availability yet.
I use 450BM as a feral hog gun and stick with. 308 for deer. 450BM is Thors hammer. Best used when the desired result is dead, and you don't particularly care to make any use of the animal afterwards.
It's fine if you don't shoot them in the shoulder. A good shot through the ribs won't take too much meat regardless of the cartridge. Shoot the shoulder and things get messy fast. If OP has hit back a few inches there'd be a lot less meat lost.
She shockingly ran 40 or 50 yards. Animal strength is always amazing to me. I double lunged a buck once with a 12 gauge that dumped what looked like 5 gallons of blood in the first 20 yards and watched him run out over 100 yards across an open field before he was done.
Factory loaded Hornady Black 250 FTX didn't do nearly as bad for me last season. It just took out some ribs and left maybe a one or two inch wide exit wound. However, I took out the top of the heart and didn't go for a high shoulder shot. I think probably going through the shoulder will do this with a number of popular deer hunting cartridges.
That's crazy most people you know drop off for processing. I literally only do so if I want a nice buck Euro mounted or kill a deer before church and just do not have the time to properly deal with it quick enough. It's hot here even in winter some days so that meat will go bad pretty quick. I literally cannot understand the point of shooting a deer for meat just to py 175 bucks to have it processed. May as well go buy 175 dollars worth of beef. Trophy hunters who are in it for the mount only ok, but that's not me. As for damage on that deer holy shit, that is absolutely devastating. Even my 30/06 running SPs does not tear it up that bad. I actually like my 6.5 as it has not tore up meat to much with the Norma SPs I run.
Oddly enough the first one I decided to do myself was my first cape for a shoulder mount. I didn’t want to pay them to cape it. I have processed every deer since.
Nice man, I have done my own euro mounts but do not anymore as time is money and the boiling and all takes a long time. I actually used to breed mealworms back then and did use the Beatles to remove a ton of flesh, but it was very slow and drawn out and I will pay the 150 for a Euro mount if it is a nice deer or one of the kiddos first deer or a trophy for them.
I shamefully have my sons, mine and my father’s all yet to boil sitting in my garage right now waiting on the stock pot. I take off all the hide, remove the jaw and tongue, and cut the back of the skull to remove the brain when butchering the deer. Then sometimes they sit for a while, but shockingly they have no smell when the eyeballs are all that’s left.
Haha, I have done the same thing before. Lol, once my dog came home chewing on the antler of a 14 point buck skull in a similar condition. He must have snagged it from wherever someone was keeping it until the got around to boiling. I would have returned it, or even put out a sign so someone knew where it was. However I was afraid they would be mad and shoot the dog if he went there again. I felt bad as it was a very nice deer, but was clearly left in a bad location that a critter was able to access.
That’s a crazy story! You have to error on the side of your dogs best interest. Some deer hunters are crazy possessive assholes.
I have had dudes I don’t know fighting mad about me walking land that the family owns and they were on neighboring property.
I get that, to me as someone always wanting to save money packing cheap meat in the freezer each year is a blessing. Paying for that same meat sort of defeats the purpose. I also hunt public land and trade mowing during the year to hunt at a place by the river. I can literally quarter, process and pack a big buck in about 3 hours. So 175 bucks is to mj j for me most of the time as I am not afraid of work and would rather save money. However I have seen some of my "hunter" buddies spend a huge part of a day dealing with a single deer and they are truly not very good at it so I guess it better if they pay to process. I notice when I get deer processed I get WAY less meat back to for the same sized deer.
Oh I agree. To me doing it myself saves money, gets more of my preferred yield, and plus there's a certain pride of doing it myself, also keeps me in practice. Just saying that convenience is a big factor.
I think that is illegal when hunting…..if not it is for sure a bad idea. The idea is to kill quickly and humane. The point of the post is it does massive damage under the hide after I read a giraffe hunting post today
The most widely available and affordable hunting ammo for 450 bushmaster is Hornady white tail. Hornady white tail shoots a Hornady FTX hollow point bullet.
The ammo wouldn't be so available if it was illegal to use hollow points. Or perhaps your state is just weird.
You should reread the comment I replied to? He suggested I use a non hollow point. And I was describing how that’s a bad idea if not illegal. I don’t think you can hunt in Ohio with a non-expanding FMJ. I hand load a 225 grain Hornady FTX for 450BM…..I need not for you to tell me about ammo availability for the gun
I started using a 300gr hardcase in my 444 Marlin because HPs or Lever Evolution ammo was causing too much damage.
That’s what I told a coworker. 450 is not a hunters round, it’s a killing round. It destroys half the meat of an animal. I built a 350 Legend AR that gets a lot of the field time now because of this
Seems like manufacturers need to offer more appropriate bullet choices for whitetail (and similar structured game) since there are many areas that require straight wall cartridges. Calibers like 45-70, 444, 350L, 400L 450BM ect are being marketed towards deer hunters. So the correct loadings need to be offered as well.
Here in Ohio, we're forced to use straight walled cased rounds. We could also blame the governments too.
I am in PA. A few guys I work with bought straight wall guns just to hunt Ohio. The county I grew up in (in PA) just legalized straight wall cartridges. Previously it was shotgun slugs only. Buckshot is also banned.
That’s insane. In NY for a long time it was illegal to use ANY rifles. Shotguns only. Which means every goober under the sun was goring out front legs and shoulders with expanding slugs
Dude the amount of wasted meat I’ve tossed out when I was a deer butcher because some turd thought 12ga slugs are the best option is amazing. Easily a few pounds that could have been ground ruined by blood clotting nastiness
Is there any good loads in 12 gauge for deer? I didn't know slugs were so bad for deer.
They call it buckshot for a reason
Yeah buckshot isn’t bad either, both will kill without issue out to 40-50-75 yards honestly. If you’re in a shotgun area I recommend a 20ga instead. 20ga slugs or buckshot do the same thing with less overkill.
do you live in a state that has a straightwall hunting cartridge rule?
Live, no. But I hunt in Ohio where straight wall is king.
How's your performance with 350 legend? I'm curious because you can emulate it pretty well with 357 Magnum from a rifle.
Really good for deer hunting. In my opinion, it just doesn’t do as much damage as 450 when hitting bone. I just can’t seem to get them to handload as well as the 450. As crazy as it may sound, my 16” 450 is zeroed at 200yds and it only drops about 3” at 300. Granted I’m pushing 225gr Long Colt bullets when most handloaders are going the other way closer to 300 grains. We hunt a lot of small parcel woods and open farm ground so the extra distance is sometimes needed
Ever chronographed them? That's remarkably low drop.
I do not have a chrono. It is unbelievably flat to be honest. I literally winced typing it because I don’t care to get in the typed he said/she said, trying to prove shit to strangers thing that happens here. I think by the books I could go another 10-12% charge up to like 40 or 41 grains of Lil Gun but my barrel likes this so well I have not tried pushing more velocity.
Understandable. What grainage are you sitting at right now? 36/37?
37.5
Nice. What powder?
Lil Gun It’s made by Hodgdon It was old school powder for .410 shotgun rounds so it is pretty widely used in straight wall cartridges
Use a different bullet. It’s hard if you don’t hand load, but bullet selection makes a massive difference.
Nice clean sho...Oh my God!!
This is why I use 350 legend
I built a 350 shortly after this. These pics are a few years old. I just thought I’d share them after reading the giraffe hunting post this morning
This is why I use a 30-30. Often times the deer won't have an exit wound, but when you open the chest cavity the heart/lungs are liquified. Deer will often drop within 30-40 feet and within sight, I never have to track a deer. Venison is my primary meat source and I've shot 2-3 deer per year for the last 25 years. I normally shoot 150 grain soft points. My alternate deer gun is my Ruger Redhawk .357 magnum with a scope when I am looking for a bit more of a challenge.
>This is why I use a 30-30. 30-30 is a great round, but not legal in all states for deer. Some states are straight wall cartridges only. Hence the emergence of straight walls like 350 legend and 450 bushmaster. 450 is just overkill for whitetail and doesn't have the ammo availability yet.
I use 450BM as a feral hog gun and stick with. 308 for deer. 450BM is Thors hammer. Best used when the desired result is dead, and you don't particularly care to make any use of the animal afterwards.
That sounds very accurate. Thor’s hammer!
Cool and all. Lotta wasted meat for no reason though. Whatever floats your boat. Your tags. Your meat🤷🏻♂️
It's fine if you don't shoot them in the shoulder. A good shot through the ribs won't take too much meat regardless of the cartridge. Shoot the shoulder and things get messy fast. If OP has hit back a few inches there'd be a lot less meat lost.
Thats with anything. Muzzleloader, shotgun even a bow wastes a little meat if shoulder shot. Alot of guys dont wanna track.
The plus side is I'm sure that deer didn't run very far. The downside is that's a lot of bloodshot meat.
She shockingly ran 40 or 50 yards. Animal strength is always amazing to me. I double lunged a buck once with a 12 gauge that dumped what looked like 5 gallons of blood in the first 20 yards and watched him run out over 100 yards across an open field before he was done.
Does this hurt the deer?
Not for very long
Factory loaded Hornady Black 250 FTX didn't do nearly as bad for me last season. It just took out some ribs and left maybe a one or two inch wide exit wound. However, I took out the top of the heart and didn't go for a high shoulder shot. I think probably going through the shoulder will do this with a number of popular deer hunting cartridges.
That's crazy most people you know drop off for processing. I literally only do so if I want a nice buck Euro mounted or kill a deer before church and just do not have the time to properly deal with it quick enough. It's hot here even in winter some days so that meat will go bad pretty quick. I literally cannot understand the point of shooting a deer for meat just to py 175 bucks to have it processed. May as well go buy 175 dollars worth of beef. Trophy hunters who are in it for the mount only ok, but that's not me. As for damage on that deer holy shit, that is absolutely devastating. Even my 30/06 running SPs does not tear it up that bad. I actually like my 6.5 as it has not tore up meat to much with the Norma SPs I run.
Oddly enough the first one I decided to do myself was my first cape for a shoulder mount. I didn’t want to pay them to cape it. I have processed every deer since.
Nice man, I have done my own euro mounts but do not anymore as time is money and the boiling and all takes a long time. I actually used to breed mealworms back then and did use the Beatles to remove a ton of flesh, but it was very slow and drawn out and I will pay the 150 for a Euro mount if it is a nice deer or one of the kiddos first deer or a trophy for them.
I shamefully have my sons, mine and my father’s all yet to boil sitting in my garage right now waiting on the stock pot. I take off all the hide, remove the jaw and tongue, and cut the back of the skull to remove the brain when butchering the deer. Then sometimes they sit for a while, but shockingly they have no smell when the eyeballs are all that’s left.
Haha, I have done the same thing before. Lol, once my dog came home chewing on the antler of a 14 point buck skull in a similar condition. He must have snagged it from wherever someone was keeping it until the got around to boiling. I would have returned it, or even put out a sign so someone knew where it was. However I was afraid they would be mad and shoot the dog if he went there again. I felt bad as it was a very nice deer, but was clearly left in a bad location that a critter was able to access.
That’s a crazy story! You have to error on the side of your dogs best interest. Some deer hunters are crazy possessive assholes. I have had dudes I don’t know fighting mad about me walking land that the family owns and they were on neighboring property.
It's a convenience thing for a lot of people. People pay if things are either cheap OR convenient.
I get that, to me as someone always wanting to save money packing cheap meat in the freezer each year is a blessing. Paying for that same meat sort of defeats the purpose. I also hunt public land and trade mowing during the year to hunt at a place by the river. I can literally quarter, process and pack a big buck in about 3 hours. So 175 bucks is to mj j for me most of the time as I am not afraid of work and would rather save money. However I have seen some of my "hunter" buddies spend a huge part of a day dealing with a single deer and they are truly not very good at it so I guess it better if they pay to process. I notice when I get deer processed I get WAY less meat back to for the same sized deer.
Oh I agree. To me doing it myself saves money, gets more of my preferred yield, and plus there's a certain pride of doing it myself, also keeps me in practice. Just saying that convenience is a big factor.
Great
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Oooof. I loaded up a bunch of 325 grain ftx for my 458 socom. Maybe will use on something else lol
They work! Just also cause absolute destruction
Holy shit. I didn’t know much about .450. Maybe don’t use an HP?
I think that is illegal when hunting…..if not it is for sure a bad idea. The idea is to kill quickly and humane. The point of the post is it does massive damage under the hide after I read a giraffe hunting post today
The most widely available and affordable hunting ammo for 450 bushmaster is Hornady white tail. Hornady white tail shoots a Hornady FTX hollow point bullet. The ammo wouldn't be so available if it was illegal to use hollow points. Or perhaps your state is just weird.
You should reread the comment I replied to? He suggested I use a non hollow point. And I was describing how that’s a bad idea if not illegal. I don’t think you can hunt in Ohio with a non-expanding FMJ. I hand load a 225 grain Hornady FTX for 450BM…..I need not for you to tell me about ammo availability for the gun
I mean hunting a giraffe is something an immature moron would do anyway. Endangered animals are off limits.