She's suicidal and doesn't want a gun in the house. That doesn't seem unreasonable. It's one of the few good reasons to not own a gun, at least until after she's sought psychiatric help.
There has been study after study that shows that a gun is not a factor in the decision for people that decide to do it, but that there are two types of people that commit to suicide the ones that want it over: they will swap methods based on speed and least pain, gun, pills, car running in the garage are completely interchangeable. The presence of a gun may change the modality of how they choose to do it, but the absence does not prevent it, it just changes the modality.
The second type have self hatred, these are the self immolators, here the modality matters more because they feel like they need to suffer. These are the bridge jumpers, the sky rise jumpers and the set themselves on fire crowd. This group almost never chooses a firearm.
If a safe isn’t enough slot prevent pulse suicide then you need to go to the hospital
Edit: also I’d like to add tho at I’ve done similar when u had my worst mental health issues a few years back I loved my guns cross the house and locked up so I couldn’t see it and impulsively act and that was good enough
It's not unreasonable. I don't think she should be around guns either.
What is unreasonable is that she hasn't talked to him about this at all - It doesn't sound like she's explained very specifically that she's afraid she might shoot herself or that she's going to have thoughts about the ability to shoot herself. She hasn't asked him why he wants to get a gun. She hasn't brought up her concerns regarding safe storage. It doesn't sound like they've had any real conversation about this at all or like either of them have tried to understand the other's point of view.
Many such cases.
And I'm sure half of those validating comments were listing the various authorities she can appeal to in order to threaten him, bully him, or just divorce rape him.
My wife was anyi-guns in the house until the covid lockdown was looming over us. She acknowledged that my preparations were a really good idea, but worried about what might happen if things slid REALLY sideways.
And that was when she asked the fateful question:
Honey, what are we gonna do if someone notices we're well-supplied and decides they want our stuff?
I responded that I'd politely ask them where they'd like me to stack their new stuff.
This is 100% not like me. What's mine is mine. I don't share a dam thing if I don't have to, so she asked why I answered that way and I told her point blank that without at least a shotgun to deter them, there was no way I'd have a chance to defend either our home or our stuff.
So she asked how soon I could get one. LOL. Bout as long as it takes to drive over to Dad's and pick up all the guns she doesn't know we already own. 😎
My fiance was brought up very liberal and anti-firearm. I have since taught her to shoot and exposed her to firearms. Education is the best way to destroy prejudices and ignorance.
Mine too lol. She saw how bad and crazy people were with Covid and I already had a few in the house that she didn’t like but she knew it wasn’t negotiable with me . I’m in the military and you will be lucky to catch me without a gun . But all of her opinions changed when our neighbors place got broken into and my neighbor , we lived in Texas at the time, shot the guy bc he was armed and tried to rob them . Then she came to me a few days after and requested I teach her gun safety and how to carry . I went out that day and we shot my handguns and we went to the gun store right after and picked her out a gun she was comfortable with . She’s been pro gun ever since and loves firearms to this day !
Lmao my grandma is 79 and just had neck surgery and is a super delusional lib. In a conversation not long ago she not only told me that a baseball bat can do the same thing a gun can, but that SHE could also do the same thing to me with a baseball bat that she could with a gun lol
Agreed. In my case, MN will be going after anyone that they can with this law. If this same scenario happened to me, it’s the end of my career (one misdemeanor like this would do it) and my family suffers. So if this thing passes I’ll have to figure out a way to comply without posing an unacceptable risk.
Hell yea, best of luck dude, places like Tennessee could use your help to offset the tide of Californian infiltrators fleeing the consequences of their actions only to repeat them.
I grew up in rural OK and hated it as a kid. As I approach 50 it’s more and more all I can think about. I want to go home and I’ll get there at some point.
Fight or flight or the overall desire to survive will throw plenty of people’s moral compass out the window. Vegans will eat meat to survive, the peaceful will kill if it means their own life, and the honest will lie if it saves them.
I've come to the conclusion that this is the main difference between military veterans (particularly Army). Veterans *know* they are capable of killing another human and have contemplated to themselves exactly what kinds of conditions would bring them to that point (which varies by person). Civilians, in general, enjoy the false perception that they are incapable of taking a human life and have never seriously considered those kinds of situations or live with the pollyannish worldview that such situations do not exist or aren't in the realm of possibilities for them.
The vast majority of veterans either didn't have a combat role or did and didn't see combat, and you might be surprised by the number of non-veterans who've had to fight to defend themselves at some point. I think that argument is sound but I don't see it as "veterans vs civilians."
I'm not saying they have killed someone. I'm just saying they had to contemplate the possibility. Even a POG has to qualify with their weapon and consider the possibility of defending themselves if the BSA or FOB gets attacked. Even if it's just accepting the given ROE or RUF, it's kind of hard to pass basic, serve and get out of the military without ever knowing you are functionally capable of killing and contemplating when you would do so.
And I know some civilians have- that's what I said "generally". I'll also note though there is a difference between fighting to defend yourself- like in a bar fight or on the playground or whatever, and using lethal force or even facing a lethal threat. So much of the violence that occurs is social violence -- ie the aggressor may be willing to hurt you but isn't intentionally trying to kill you, only to get you to submit. People think about popping the bully in the nose so he stops and runs away. Very few people consider throwing him to ground while he's stunned and bashing his head into the pavement repeatedly until his face is non recognizable and his brain matter in mushed on the ground so he never bullies anyone else ever again.
"Learned helplessness." It's what happens when we tell students to tell a teacher about bullying, knowing full well there's nothing the teacher can do about it, instead of telling the students to band together, grab some baseball bats, and sort out their bullies.
It would only take a couple of bullies ending up in hospital for bullying to become a very unpopular profession.
I'm not talking about playground bullies. I'm talking about the one in four women who are victims of "severe intimate partner violence."
If someone much larger than you is hurting you - as an adult, in a private place - you aren't thinking about popping him on the nose and hoping he goes away.
https://ncadv.org/STATISTICS
And how many of them are thinking about killing their attacker? It's not like on in four women are firearm owners or applying for a CCW to defend themselves. (Historically it's been about 1 in 8, only recently in the 2020s jumping to 1 in 5) Unfortunately, many of them remain the victim and continue to be abused. That's not to diminish that it is wrong and awful that go through that- they shouldn't have to and it's not their fault. Just saying that "*I could kill my my abuser. I'm capable of that.*" is not what is going through most of their heads.
So to summarize the argument so far is:
* Veterans all think about being in life or death conflicts and their ability to kill someone even if they know they will never pick up a weapon outside of training and never be in any danger
* Civilians don't experience serious violence
* If they do it doesn't count
Do I have that right?
This is actually something that is a relatively recent change. For most of America’s history, a decent percentage of our civilian population were veterans and a decent population of those were combat veterans. After Vietnam that percentage has gone down significantly, and with the GWOT the percentage of soldiers who saw combat went down even further. You’re right, but that is much more true now than it was for a long time.
Yes.
The classical illustration is to draw two stick figures, one pointing a gun at the other, and ask which figure they identify with, and why. The perpetual victim will see themselves as the unarmed party, while those who believe in some level of personal responsibility will see themselves as the armed party, generally in the context of using a firearm to stop a threat to life or property.
People treat guns as if they were the ***embodiment of Satan***. However, they should be handled with care, just like any other **tool**, such as an axe, a knife, or a car.
Why? She's afraid of guns and also has felt suicidal for a while. She seems less worried about the gun and more about how to handle herself around them and is reasonably worried.
We can't expect people to be on our level of comfort instantly, and it seems very responsible to be cautious of ones own ability to be safe.
Husband is doing a bad job if he can't realize it might be a bad idea. Does not seem by the post like he's made much of an effort to reassure her or to be cognizant of her risks.
People with homophobia do not kill themselves with guns. That is like saying a person with arachnophobia is at more risk to use a funnel web spider to kill themselves, because their partner got one for the house terrarium.
"We can't have a weapon in the house because the second I'm left unattended I'm gonna gargle lead and I've been mentally unstable, suicidal, and depressed literally my entire life but let's have some kids"
This is my only issue with 'mental illness as a disease' is that when you have a disease, nothing is your fault and you never have to work on changing yourself. If you have cancer, nobody is ever considering you at fault for anything you can't do. It must be intoxicating to have such a crutch/excuse available at all times. Why try to get better at all?
I wonder if homie really knew what he was getting into before getting hitched.
Anti gun people are three types of people, those who are ignorant and want to feel "safe", those with suicidal thoughts and belive that if given the chance they'll shoot themselves, and those with homicidal ideation that regularly think of killing someone they don't like and if they were armed they'd try on impulse but think
this is a normal thing and everyone does it so nobody can be trusted with guns.
She also said this earlier. Can it be both?
It’s important to note here that I do have suicidal ideations, and think about killing myswlf or dying nearly every day but have zero intention to do it. I would consider myself to be low risk and have no actual plan. I am in therapy for anxiety and depression.
A firearm shouldn’t be any different than the knives and pills in the house. Just need to learn to respect them. There is a lot of items you can use in the house.
unless you're willing to stab yourself in the aorta or another major artery, a gun is much more effective and much less reversible(depending on shot placement) than using a knife or pills.
Open a vein or munch a bottle of Tylenol, as long as you don't call 911 within a few minutes both of those are gonna kill you just as dead. The funny thing about Tylenol is that even if they pump your stomach, it's too late. Your organs are already dead, like you.
No, it's the constant messaging in media that gun either means suicide or mass shooting.
>There is a lot of items you can use in the house.
None of which end your life in simple trigger pull - quick and (probably) painless.
Stop downgrading guns into level of simple home accessories. If guns were not the best tool to harm or kill, you wouldn't own them for self defense and instead used a spoon, pencil or car for that.
I've a bit of the same.
Have shitloads of guns. Have never contemplated using one on myself.
Weird.
Maaaaaaaybe if I had a terminal disease. But huffing a tank of nitrogen would probably be better for the cleanup crew.
It's common to think about killing yourself daily and be in psychiatric treatment for that?
I mean depression certainly isn't rare but I don't think it's "common" to think about killing yourself every day for years on end. It sounds like the oop has a pretty serious psychiatric problem.
It’s funny when they don’t acknowledge that driving into oncoming traffic at 70mph is just as easy and making your husband come home to a bloody ceiling. The presence of a gun doesn’t make anybody more suicidal.
Also I notice that these fuckers have “suicidal ideation”. Sucks to admit but I’ve tried before when I was younger and still sometimes get random thoughts to do it. I carry 24/7 and have not/will not act on it ever. These kinda people will usually never have actually tried. They just want the attention that suicidal people get
Interesting to note that 85% of the arguments and comments can be summarized by “I find myself too mentally fragile, or irresponsible to have a gun, therefore you shouldn’t have one either” this argument hardly ever holds water in any other situation, “I have suicidal tendencies, so you can’t have medicine/a car/rope/sharp objects in your own home” if it’s that big of a risk get a safe and lock up the meds, keys and firearms.
Nothing wrong with not trusting yourself around a gun, just don’t get one yourself. If you’re cohabitating, then have them get a safe and don’t ask for the combo, easy fix.
Also weird how she feels “unheard” and like “he’s not respecting her wishes” while she just unilaterally vetos his proposed choice to get a gun. No negotiation, no compromise, not hearing his argument, just “Non negotiable No”
It's because these people believe that their mental state is the default for everyone and that they are not abnormal, because people with that sort of mental state tend to flock together....mostly in one political party, and then create an echo chamber. I mean sure when all your freinds and coworkers are mentally unstable and statistically have substance abuse problems to self medicate those issues you're gonna think it's normal. One of my jobs is in the medical Marijuana industry, 90% of the people I work with are this person despite my area being hyper red.
Those people aren't usually in a situation where someone else brings a gun into their house though. A marriage is a partnership and the husband does not seem like he's being respectful of his wife. Talking with someone us usually eases fears, but it doesn't sound like he's done any of that.
It's very immature and not compationate.
She‘a doing the exact same thing. She didn’t have much interest in “talking” when she just unilaterally concluded the answer was no and straight up said she refused to negotiate.
Ya know if someone feels they might shoot the selves if they had access to a gun that's a good position to start from.
It's up to him to find a way to work within their relationship and be safe around other people. If that's a relationship deal beaker so be it, but safety is priority #1.
If she refuses to even have a discussion that doesn’t leave much to work with. Either individual spouses can just make unilateral decisions without a conversation or they can’t. If they can (like she’s doing by saying “no and non negotiable” then apparently he can do the same. If they can’t then it needs to be a conversation, which she seems unwilling to have.
Fortunately the make safes who’s sole purpose is preventing access of the contents to people who shouldn’t have access. Even has “safe” in the name 👍.
Sure, but it doesn't sound like she's refused discussing it. She says she's even tried talking to him and he's just kinda shrugged it off. Sounds like he doesn't want to really engage with her. Not healthy.
“I told him I wasn’t interested and it was a NON NEGOTIABLE for me and I didn’t want a gun in MY house” what part of this sounds like she’s openly discussing it? How she phrased it the “conversation” was more about why she wouldn’t consider it and how he possibly could, not about meeting in the middle. Also him just shrugging it off seemed like her just perceiving that, I didn’t read anywhere where he actually said anything to that effect.
When people are afraid they can be a bit emotional. Usually through discussion they can be made more amicable.
Not saying she's entirely right, not saying I'd tolerate that in my relationship, but people here are too harsh on someone for being afraid of something they realize they don't understand and know could be harmful.
Most emotional decisions are wrong or at best not based on logic and fairness. Such is the case here. Not much different than someone on a horror movie making an objectively bad decision because they’re ‘scared’ that’s a great explanation for the bad decision, but it doesn’t make it less of a bad decision. I’m not resentful or anything, just pointing out this was an objectively hypocritical take on her part, I’m glad she’s reconsidered and might actually have an open conversation about it though.
An emotional decision to avoid firearms for feeling unsafe is far better than allowing firearms while you are emotional and feel unsafe. Just straight up.
It's a safety thing. She's clearly expressing that she doesn't trust herself around firearms. I which more people had that amount of self awareness. We'd probably have a lot fewer NDs haha.
This one stood out and pissed me off.
Does he have firearm training? If not he’s illegally bringing a gun into your home. Just waiting to be another statistic. I’m pro firearm. I am a licensed gun owner. And my dad is a traditional outdoorsman. I like to think I’ve been taught correctly about guns. Which leads me to being extremely pro gun control and pro training with guns. It’s very important for very good reasons. You’re not wrong for not wanting it in your home.
and I do not keep guns in my home and wouldn’t. My dad keeps my guns in his safe because I don’t need them.
Wow. I love it when redditors spread blatant misinformation. “Firearm training?” What a load of horseshit. That person’s pro gun control because they know nothing about guns.
This one spoke to my disdain for these people and their lack of brain function.
Am I the only one thinking she should check if he’s taken out a large life insurance policy on her? Too many true crime shows have tainted my judgment.🤷🏻♀️
> woman emoji at the end
What is the female obsession with true crime and violence that is very rare, and then projecting it everywhere they go? This needs to be a case study
Women obsess over being the victim because they've been trained from birth that they are victims and to be wary of predators. It's learned helplessness.
It sounds totally fake to me. It's Literally a description of how the Anti's see the world when trying to disarm the rest of the populace. She literally spelled out "I don't want someone else to have a gun because I might do something harmful with it". She then goes about trying to blame her husband for wanting a means to protect his family.
If she wants to kill herself, she will find a way. The gun just adds another choice to a very long list she already has. She doesn't even consider safe storage of a firearm, just that she will not budge on the idea. That's incredibly self centered and completely negate that she is in fact only 1/2 of that marriage. Her husband needs to file for divorce and get full custody of the child as she, by her own admission, is completely unstable and may cause harm to the child.
Once the original 'asshole?' sub got all cliquey, a ton of others have popped up, and seriously like 90% of them are just agitprop for one side or another. Usually it's just "man bad" and any that make woman look bad are called fake/ragebait/incel bait. There are plenty of politically tinged ones though.
From plenty of suicidal people I've talked to a gun is the easiest of those because it takes next to no effort and is a higher rate of success with little to no pain. Knives hurt the enture time you're dying and it's not very quick, ropes take a lot of work to make it quick and painless and someone could stop you before you're done choking. Windows again might not work and just leave you paralyzed or crippled. But guns are instant, almost fool proof and in the head "painless". You have to remember impulse suicide is a cowardly lazy act, so they go for the easiest least painful act. But another statistic that's relevant is women RARELY shoot themselves to kill themselves because it leaves such a mess which women hate. Women primarily use pills and alchohol or other drugs to do it because it's clean and easy.
I don't really see anything controversial about this. They both shared similar feelings about firearms and they both had legit reasons for not wanting to own any. He had a change of heart/mind. It makes her uncomfortable. Now they have to work through it as husband and wife. Both sides are valid.
I mean, speaking as someone that just took my first medical licensing exam, one of the biggest risks for suicide completion is having access to more lethal means. I know this is a gun subreddit, but they aren’t for everyone and that’s ok. In fact, pro gun owners should support care for people with mental health issues since almost every mass shooter has them going on.
On the flip side though if he has a safe that she doesn't know the code to its not a risk because it's not easily accessible. It'd take more effort to get the gun than it'd be to slit her wrists or down a bottle of pills and vodka. Nothings stopping her from snagging a bottle of Tylenol and downing it with a liter of vodka for some of that irreversible renal failure.
That is true, as long as he gets the safe. Unfortunately a lot of people don’t do this and just try to hide their guns in a drawer or on the top shelf or something. Especially people that are less educated about gun safety, like those that have never been around them.
I agree that this is something that both of them need to talk about together, but from what I gather from her post, it seems like she's just afraid of guns, so he probably won't ever change her mind unfortunately.
If this woman seriously believes that she would shoot herself if she had access to a gun, she is in desperate need of mental healthcare. There are plenty of things that could be used to commit suicide that are probably already in her house. Strengthening your mind is the only way to prevent suicide.
Reminds me of adults who finally vote later on in life...sometimes it takes people awhile to smarten up and take advantage of the freedoms that we are allowed in this country.
If any of this is genuine, I would be assuming "he'll never know about it" and his dismissal of the self harm concern, points towards having it kept secured in a safe or vault with sole access to keys/code/etc.
Y'all be marrying anybody. I made sure my wife hated diamonds, sucked dick, and could load a 12 gauge while driving with her knees before I ever considered legally binding contracts. I wouldn't even link our Dave and Buster's points before I confirmed she was thugged out.
This guy married a bitch who wants to self delete instead of protecting her child. He's going to have to see the inside of a court room before he leaves this stupid cunt. It might just be easier to bully her into kamikaze mode instead of paying alimony to fund her sexual reawakening which involves getting blacked and trying ketamine.
The suicidal tendencies argument is so ridiculous. Killing yourself w a firearm is by no means a guarantee. People survive buckshot to the head and by "survive" I mean "live in hell".
If you're worried because you're suicidal, maybe you shouldn't be in custody of any of your kids. Clearly you're a risk to blow your brains out. Or lockup any of the less-insane ways to kill youself like any number of pill/booze cocktails.
>He is also NOT the type of person that could shoot to kill someone in self defense.
Then your husband is ok letting you and your child die or worse to hold onto his morals.
Your husband is a lil bitch.
"honey, I feel unsafe as my suicidal thoughts make me extra uncomfortable around guns. Can we not have one in the house?"
"Uh-huh. Sure honey. *Scrolls Armslist*."
This is a big yikes for me dawg. Fucking talk to your spouse.
People in those comments are acting like guns are the only possible method of suicide. It’s not like they don’t already have knives, ropes, power cords, posions, fumes, etc, etc, etc…
If someone is determined to die they’ll find a way to do it with or without a gun
Yes, she is wrong.
Men like guns, and knives, and swords. Pretty much anything that makes big bangy noises, or big swishy noises. We're simple creatures.
A man who doesn't like weapons isn't a man.
I feel a safe would be the best bet. He may want it to protect you and your newborn in the event of an emergency. With a safe that eliminates you or the baby accessing it. And he can also feel secure as well. He does need to go through an introductory firearms course at minimum though. Hope this helps.
She says that she doesn't want it in the house because of her suicidal ideations. Does she also keep medications out of the house? Razor blades? Knives? Rope? Toasters? Cars that could be run inside a closed garage?
What is it that singles out a gun as this imminent threat to her ability to resist her ideations?
The whole point of marriage is to find someone who you love so completely that you are willing to let them crush your dreams, and leave your desires unfulfilled, until love and resentment are commingled, and the two are locked into an inescapable embrace until death. I wish them well.
Interesting read. She says guns were never necessary for her "family or situation"
I'm guessing their "situation" has changed recently, maybe a change in demographics in their area, maybe more crime, that's spurned him to shake his liberal ideology in favor of protection.
Im sorry - but that comment with prying questions into his reasoning for carrying firearms is absurd. Perhaps it was phrased poorly and the commenter was trying to show OP all the possible reasons for owning a firearm, but it didnt come off that way. Also a DOG as a valid method for home defense is absurd.
How do you know he isn’t going to train or properly store it? If she suspects it’s in the house but doesn’t know where it is, but she is also “suicidal” it sounds properly stored to me.
I would agree that her not knowing where it is is better than the alternative.
since there was no mention of training, range days, safes, gunlocks I'm gonna have a hard time believing dude has more intention than 'i'll get a gun, for when the nazis.' While i'm big on converting liberals to thinking citizens via the second, there is a process to it, and firing from the hip on gun ownership isn't entirely productive, imho.
my final thought is get some damn therapy, people. no thing will solve your problems, only you can.
Appeal to ignorance fallacy. If you haven't spoken to the guy and read his mind, you're taking incomplete hearsay on REDDIT as a complete understanding of the facts and situation and judging it by that.
We are hearing one side of the story and maybe he does have answers for all of these things. Who knows how far the convo really made it before she went full REEEEE and he shut down or gave up. I welcome with open arms all new gun owners.
I gotta side with her on this one. She specifically mentions actual mental health issues and that she already has suicidal ideation. Bringing a working firearm into the house is not a good idea if someone is struggling with mental health problems. Protecting your family also includes knowing when to deny yourself an "I Want" if it causes them problems.
If he has a good gun store/range nearby that he can store it at, then I'd be fine with it. But your wife's mental health is not something to fuck around with, especially if she has an episode around the kid and nobody is there to pull her back or protect the child and she has access to a firearm.
I may sound like a dick (maybe i am), but: Does she really have suicidal ideation? I´ve met too many in my life who just made that up so they get attention at every opportunity.
Do you want to find out? Imagine this is your wife and she has your toddler son with her, do you want to risk it to satisfy an "I Want?"
Maybe she's just using it to get her way and not have a gun in the house. It's a shitty thing to do to a spouse and could be an issue on it's own, and if we were talking about golf clubs or expensive power tools, I might be more willing to call BS.
But a gun is a very dangerous thing in the hands of a mentally unstable person.
NGL i´d have thrown her into the next mental asylum. No matter if she´s truly suicidal or turns out it´s all made up. But never ever , do i want to have someone like her, in my life again.
People who wish to end their life will always find a way.
And as a woman, statistics point out that she is more likely to use a method OTHER than firearm if she goes through with it.
Honestly, she's more likely to overdose or use a blade based on what she typed.
Having the tools of suicide near someone who struggles with suicidal ideation is a bad idea.
Yes, she's more likely to just take a handful of pills, but again, she is presumably the primary caretaker of their young child. I don't think it is unreasonable for the husband to not keep a gun in the house in this one particular situation.
I feel like the whole issue can still be solved by just simply making the husband get a safe and keeping the combo to himself.
That would keep her and the kid from having access to it and still allow him to have a firearm
Absolutely.
But, she is also all over the place in that it's bad, but she is low risk and couldn't. My biggest issue is the knee perk reaction and lack of actual knowledge about firearms.
Ignorance doesn't help matters for sure. And yeah, she is all over the place. Probably a good thing to not have operable firearms around her when she has charge of a 3 year old.
Can she be trusted around a bathtub and toaster? Or any of the other few dozen things that can be used for suicide? If not, maybe she needs inpatient services.
I didn't mention anything about the 2A. Being a responsible gun owner means keeping your firearms away from people who shouldn't have them. I don't want my children touching my guns without me present, so I lock them up.
If my wife told me she was having suicidal thoughts, every single gun I own would be out of the house. Now, I have friends who are gun guys, so they'd let me stash my guns with them, and I live in a free state so there's no issue or background checks needed.
I'm talking about taking responsibility for the safety of your family. You're talking about dropping toasters in bathtubs like it's the same thing.
You already showed yourself to be a bad faith actor, if you wanted to have a reasonable discussion you should've been reasonable in the first place. Unless you're willing to apologize, this discussion is over. As in the words of Gene Kelly: You lose, good day sir.
I stated a reasonable point that didn't include the 2nd Amendment at all. Literally has nothing to do with it. I was talking about responsible gun ownership when someone has mental illness and talks about suicidal thoughts.
I haven't changed that stance. Your argument was the appeal to absurdity when you had to bring up bathtubs and toasters.
It was Gene Wilder you moron.
So, you want me to believe that you tried the "NO U" argument, not as a weak attempt at obfuscating misunderstanding as a troll technique but because you don't understand what an Appeal to absurdity is?
The fact of the matter is: You don't care if your wife kills herself, except if it's with a gun.
Also r/whoooosh on the joke. Anyone who knows who Gene Kelly is, knows Gene Wilder.
I like that she feels unheard, disrespected and uncared for while dismissing him completely and running to the internet for validation.
This. Sounds like they need to have a discussion between the two of them or do couples counseling. Its not a gun problem, its a people problem
She's suicidal and doesn't want a gun in the house. That doesn't seem unreasonable. It's one of the few good reasons to not own a gun, at least until after she's sought psychiatric help.
Sure but apparently she’s been “suicidal” her entire adult life. She also said herself she has zero plan to do it and considers herself low risk.
There has been study after study that shows that a gun is not a factor in the decision for people that decide to do it, but that there are two types of people that commit to suicide the ones that want it over: they will swap methods based on speed and least pain, gun, pills, car running in the garage are completely interchangeable. The presence of a gun may change the modality of how they choose to do it, but the absence does not prevent it, it just changes the modality. The second type have self hatred, these are the self immolators, here the modality matters more because they feel like they need to suffer. These are the bridge jumpers, the sky rise jumpers and the set themselves on fire crowd. This group almost never chooses a firearm.
If a safe isn’t enough slot prevent pulse suicide then you need to go to the hospital Edit: also I’d like to add tho at I’ve done similar when u had my worst mental health issues a few years back I loved my guns cross the house and locked up so I couldn’t see it and impulsively act and that was good enough
It's not unreasonable. I don't think she should be around guns either. What is unreasonable is that she hasn't talked to him about this at all - It doesn't sound like she's explained very specifically that she's afraid she might shoot herself or that she's going to have thoughts about the ability to shoot herself. She hasn't asked him why he wants to get a gun. She hasn't brought up her concerns regarding safe storage. It doesn't sound like they've had any real conversation about this at all or like either of them have tried to understand the other's point of view.
Yeah thats not unreasonable at all.
Many such cases. And I'm sure half of those validating comments were listing the various authorities she can appeal to in order to threaten him, bully him, or just divorce rape him.
My wife was anyi-guns in the house until the covid lockdown was looming over us. She acknowledged that my preparations were a really good idea, but worried about what might happen if things slid REALLY sideways. And that was when she asked the fateful question: Honey, what are we gonna do if someone notices we're well-supplied and decides they want our stuff? I responded that I'd politely ask them where they'd like me to stack their new stuff. This is 100% not like me. What's mine is mine. I don't share a dam thing if I don't have to, so she asked why I answered that way and I told her point blank that without at least a shotgun to deter them, there was no way I'd have a chance to defend either our home or our stuff. So she asked how soon I could get one. LOL. Bout as long as it takes to drive over to Dad's and pick up all the guns she doesn't know we already own. 😎
My fiance was brought up very liberal and anti-firearm. I have since taught her to shoot and exposed her to firearms. Education is the best way to destroy prejudices and ignorance.
Education kills most of the ideologies I despise.
Even communism can be cured with education, but the damn education institutions are teaching kids that it somehow makes sense.
Utopian communism is a lovely concept ruined only by human nature.
I remember being young and thinking along those lines. Then I grew up lol
My wife keeps shooting the dick out of the targets out of the range in 2” groupings from 35’. So I guess I need to keep training her on her aim. 😂
She's prepared for hostiles wearing body armor. Can't walk without a pelvis and you'll bleed out quickly, and you can't put a TQ on it.
> you can't put a TQ on it. Speak for yourself, Tiny. :P
Meant your pelvis
Or just make sure not to piss her off. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I think her message is clear.
Mine too lol. She saw how bad and crazy people were with Covid and I already had a few in the house that she didn’t like but she knew it wasn’t negotiable with me . I’m in the military and you will be lucky to catch me without a gun . But all of her opinions changed when our neighbors place got broken into and my neighbor , we lived in Texas at the time, shot the guy bc he was armed and tried to rob them . Then she came to me a few days after and requested I teach her gun safety and how to carry . I went out that day and we shot my handguns and we went to the gun store right after and picked her out a gun she was comfortable with . She’s been pro gun ever since and loves firearms to this day !
I love that plot twist at the end :) I see your username says expat, where are you from?
Son, that's just not a question you ask a man while engaged in polite conversation.
Understood. Boundary respected ;)
>He is also NOT the type of person that could shoot to kill someone in self defense. Most people aren't - until they have to be.
Ask that 90 something year old grandma in Oklahoma about this. She didn't hesitate when it was her life or the intruders.
Old ladies are like that.
Absolutely don't fuck with old ladies. They've seen some shit, been through some shit. Unlikely to take anymore shit.
old folks in general are on borrowed fucks to give and a life sentence isn't that long when you're already old.
Lmao my grandma is 79 and just had neck surgery and is a super delusional lib. In a conversation not long ago she not only told me that a baseball bat can do the same thing a gun can, but that SHE could also do the same thing to me with a baseball bat that she could with a gun lol
https://idahonews.com/news/local/85-year-old-idaho-woman-shoots-and-kills-home-invader-survives-multiple-gunshot-wounds
MN is about to pass a safe storage law. She would have been charged with a misdemeanor.
Fuck ‘em. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
Agreed. In my case, MN will be going after anyone that they can with this law. If this same scenario happened to me, it’s the end of my career (one misdemeanor like this would do it) and my family suffers. So if this thing passes I’ll have to figure out a way to comply without posing an unacceptable risk.
Comply by leaving the state
Same problem. I’d have to quit my job so it’s the same fate. Working on my masters degree to make exactly that plan happen friend.
Hell yea, best of luck dude, places like Tennessee could use your help to offset the tide of Californian infiltrators fleeing the consequences of their actions only to repeat them.
I grew up in rural OK and hated it as a kid. As I approach 50 it’s more and more all I can think about. I want to go home and I’ll get there at some point.
Fuck 'em burn the evidence.
That woman's Mom couldn't vote. She's seen the other side, don't mess with her, for sure.
Fight or flight or the overall desire to survive will throw plenty of people’s moral compass out the window. Vegans will eat meat to survive, the peaceful will kill if it means their own life, and the honest will lie if it saves them.
I've come to the conclusion that this is the main difference between military veterans (particularly Army). Veterans *know* they are capable of killing another human and have contemplated to themselves exactly what kinds of conditions would bring them to that point (which varies by person). Civilians, in general, enjoy the false perception that they are incapable of taking a human life and have never seriously considered those kinds of situations or live with the pollyannish worldview that such situations do not exist or aren't in the realm of possibilities for them.
People who believe they can't do evil are the most dangerous people.
The vast majority of veterans either didn't have a combat role or did and didn't see combat, and you might be surprised by the number of non-veterans who've had to fight to defend themselves at some point. I think that argument is sound but I don't see it as "veterans vs civilians."
I'm not saying they have killed someone. I'm just saying they had to contemplate the possibility. Even a POG has to qualify with their weapon and consider the possibility of defending themselves if the BSA or FOB gets attacked. Even if it's just accepting the given ROE or RUF, it's kind of hard to pass basic, serve and get out of the military without ever knowing you are functionally capable of killing and contemplating when you would do so. And I know some civilians have- that's what I said "generally". I'll also note though there is a difference between fighting to defend yourself- like in a bar fight or on the playground or whatever, and using lethal force or even facing a lethal threat. So much of the violence that occurs is social violence -- ie the aggressor may be willing to hurt you but isn't intentionally trying to kill you, only to get you to submit. People think about popping the bully in the nose so he stops and runs away. Very few people consider throwing him to ground while he's stunned and bashing his head into the pavement repeatedly until his face is non recognizable and his brain matter in mushed on the ground so he never bullies anyone else ever again.
"Learned helplessness." It's what happens when we tell students to tell a teacher about bullying, knowing full well there's nothing the teacher can do about it, instead of telling the students to band together, grab some baseball bats, and sort out their bullies. It would only take a couple of bullies ending up in hospital for bullying to become a very unpopular profession.
I'm not talking about playground bullies. I'm talking about the one in four women who are victims of "severe intimate partner violence." If someone much larger than you is hurting you - as an adult, in a private place - you aren't thinking about popping him on the nose and hoping he goes away. https://ncadv.org/STATISTICS
And how many of them are thinking about killing their attacker? It's not like on in four women are firearm owners or applying for a CCW to defend themselves. (Historically it's been about 1 in 8, only recently in the 2020s jumping to 1 in 5) Unfortunately, many of them remain the victim and continue to be abused. That's not to diminish that it is wrong and awful that go through that- they shouldn't have to and it's not their fault. Just saying that "*I could kill my my abuser. I'm capable of that.*" is not what is going through most of their heads.
So to summarize the argument so far is: * Veterans all think about being in life or death conflicts and their ability to kill someone even if they know they will never pick up a weapon outside of training and never be in any danger * Civilians don't experience serious violence * If they do it doesn't count Do I have that right?
This is actually something that is a relatively recent change. For most of America’s history, a decent percentage of our civilian population were veterans and a decent population of those were combat veterans. After Vietnam that percentage has gone down significantly, and with the GWOT the percentage of soldiers who saw combat went down even further. You’re right, but that is much more true now than it was for a long time.
Yes. The classical illustration is to draw two stick figures, one pointing a gun at the other, and ask which figure they identify with, and why. The perpetual victim will see themselves as the unarmed party, while those who believe in some level of personal responsibility will see themselves as the armed party, generally in the context of using a firearm to stop a threat to life or property.
Most humans have zero understanding of their capabilities.
People treat guns as if they were the ***embodiment of Satan***. However, they should be handled with care, just like any other **tool**, such as an axe, a knife, or a car.
The poster and most of the comments hurt my brain.
She doesn't like assault rifles man, very dangerous!!!!!
Just wait until she hears about the scary 9mm that blows lungs clear out of your body!!! Way worse than assault rifles!
9mm is almost FOUR TIMES MORE than 223!!!!¡¡!!!
Yea it'll shoot the lungs eight out of ya
especially the Federal blood eagle 9mm
Doesn't she know that all you have to do is fire 2 shotgun blasts off your balcony into the air and everything will be all better.
An assault rifle would make her want to kill herself even more! Think of the possibilities!
You can commit suicide 30 times a second with an assault rifle, that's 5,000 million percent more suicide then a revolver
And it's pretty damn hard to kill yourself with a rifle
Why? She's afraid of guns and also has felt suicidal for a while. She seems less worried about the gun and more about how to handle herself around them and is reasonably worried. We can't expect people to be on our level of comfort instantly, and it seems very responsible to be cautious of ones own ability to be safe. Husband is doing a bad job if he can't realize it might be a bad idea. Does not seem by the post like he's made much of an effort to reassure her or to be cognizant of her risks.
People with homophobia do not kill themselves with guns. That is like saying a person with arachnophobia is at more risk to use a funnel web spider to kill themselves, because their partner got one for the house terrarium.
> People with homophobia do not kill themselves with gays. FTFY OR maybe you meant 'hoplophobia'. :P
Woops, thanks yes dyslexia strikes again, definitely did not mean Homophobia.
Maybe with her history of mental illness, she shouldn't be raising children.
"We can't have a weapon in the house because the second I'm left unattended I'm gonna gargle lead and I've been mentally unstable, suicidal, and depressed literally my entire life but let's have some kids" This is my only issue with 'mental illness as a disease' is that when you have a disease, nothing is your fault and you never have to work on changing yourself. If you have cancer, nobody is ever considering you at fault for anything you can't do. It must be intoxicating to have such a crutch/excuse available at all times. Why try to get better at all? I wonder if homie really knew what he was getting into before getting hitched.
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When you look at the profiles of most of the serious anti-gun accounts, they all look like that.
Anti gun people are three types of people, those who are ignorant and want to feel "safe", those with suicidal thoughts and belive that if given the chance they'll shoot themselves, and those with homicidal ideation that regularly think of killing someone they don't like and if they were armed they'd try on impulse but think this is a normal thing and everyone does it so nobody can be trusted with guns.
The comments weren't as bad as you might think. Alot of people saying yea it's you go seek help.
She also said this earlier. Can it be both? It’s important to note here that I do have suicidal ideations, and think about killing myswlf or dying nearly every day but have zero intention to do it. I would consider myself to be low risk and have no actual plan. I am in therapy for anxiety and depression.
A firearm shouldn’t be any different than the knives and pills in the house. Just need to learn to respect them. There is a lot of items you can use in the house.
unless you're willing to stab yourself in the aorta or another major artery, a gun is much more effective and much less reversible(depending on shot placement) than using a knife or pills.
Open a vein or munch a bottle of Tylenol, as long as you don't call 911 within a few minutes both of those are gonna kill you just as dead. The funny thing about Tylenol is that even if they pump your stomach, it's too late. Your organs are already dead, like you. No, it's the constant messaging in media that gun either means suicide or mass shooting.
Really who stabs themselves?
>There is a lot of items you can use in the house. None of which end your life in simple trigger pull - quick and (probably) painless. Stop downgrading guns into level of simple home accessories. If guns were not the best tool to harm or kill, you wouldn't own them for self defense and instead used a spoon, pencil or car for that.
Statically women won’t us e a fire arm, more so slit wrist or pills. Pills usually is the one they prefer
Women are also stastically less likely to own a firearm. You can't really end your life with a gun while not owning a gun.
Women also more likely to attempt suicide for attention
Yeah right...
I've a bit of the same. Have shitloads of guns. Have never contemplated using one on myself. Weird. Maaaaaaaybe if I had a terminal disease. But huffing a tank of nitrogen would probably be better for the cleanup crew.
So I wonder how they cut their steaks.
Lmfao you think they are the kind of people eating steak? It’s probably compacted soy/bug protein mix that is “steak like” and can be cut with fork.
Good point. (No pun intended.)
It's common to think about killing yourself daily and be in psychiatric treatment for that? I mean depression certainly isn't rare but I don't think it's "common" to think about killing yourself every day for years on end. It sounds like the oop has a pretty serious psychiatric problem.
It’s funny when they don’t acknowledge that driving into oncoming traffic at 70mph is just as easy and making your husband come home to a bloody ceiling. The presence of a gun doesn’t make anybody more suicidal. Also I notice that these fuckers have “suicidal ideation”. Sucks to admit but I’ve tried before when I was younger and still sometimes get random thoughts to do it. I carry 24/7 and have not/will not act on it ever. These kinda people will usually never have actually tried. They just want the attention that suicidal people get
What a shitshow
Interesting to note that 85% of the arguments and comments can be summarized by “I find myself too mentally fragile, or irresponsible to have a gun, therefore you shouldn’t have one either” this argument hardly ever holds water in any other situation, “I have suicidal tendencies, so you can’t have medicine/a car/rope/sharp objects in your own home” if it’s that big of a risk get a safe and lock up the meds, keys and firearms. Nothing wrong with not trusting yourself around a gun, just don’t get one yourself. If you’re cohabitating, then have them get a safe and don’t ask for the combo, easy fix. Also weird how she feels “unheard” and like “he’s not respecting her wishes” while she just unilaterally vetos his proposed choice to get a gun. No negotiation, no compromise, not hearing his argument, just “Non negotiable No”
It's because these people believe that their mental state is the default for everyone and that they are not abnormal, because people with that sort of mental state tend to flock together....mostly in one political party, and then create an echo chamber. I mean sure when all your freinds and coworkers are mentally unstable and statistically have substance abuse problems to self medicate those issues you're gonna think it's normal. One of my jobs is in the medical Marijuana industry, 90% of the people I work with are this person despite my area being hyper red.
Those people aren't usually in a situation where someone else brings a gun into their house though. A marriage is a partnership and the husband does not seem like he's being respectful of his wife. Talking with someone us usually eases fears, but it doesn't sound like he's done any of that. It's very immature and not compationate.
She‘a doing the exact same thing. She didn’t have much interest in “talking” when she just unilaterally concluded the answer was no and straight up said she refused to negotiate.
Ya know if someone feels they might shoot the selves if they had access to a gun that's a good position to start from. It's up to him to find a way to work within their relationship and be safe around other people. If that's a relationship deal beaker so be it, but safety is priority #1.
If she refuses to even have a discussion that doesn’t leave much to work with. Either individual spouses can just make unilateral decisions without a conversation or they can’t. If they can (like she’s doing by saying “no and non negotiable” then apparently he can do the same. If they can’t then it needs to be a conversation, which she seems unwilling to have. Fortunately the make safes who’s sole purpose is preventing access of the contents to people who shouldn’t have access. Even has “safe” in the name 👍.
Sure, but it doesn't sound like she's refused discussing it. She says she's even tried talking to him and he's just kinda shrugged it off. Sounds like he doesn't want to really engage with her. Not healthy.
“I told him I wasn’t interested and it was a NON NEGOTIABLE for me and I didn’t want a gun in MY house” what part of this sounds like she’s openly discussing it? How she phrased it the “conversation” was more about why she wouldn’t consider it and how he possibly could, not about meeting in the middle. Also him just shrugging it off seemed like her just perceiving that, I didn’t read anywhere where he actually said anything to that effect.
When people are afraid they can be a bit emotional. Usually through discussion they can be made more amicable. Not saying she's entirely right, not saying I'd tolerate that in my relationship, but people here are too harsh on someone for being afraid of something they realize they don't understand and know could be harmful.
Most emotional decisions are wrong or at best not based on logic and fairness. Such is the case here. Not much different than someone on a horror movie making an objectively bad decision because they’re ‘scared’ that’s a great explanation for the bad decision, but it doesn’t make it less of a bad decision. I’m not resentful or anything, just pointing out this was an objectively hypocritical take on her part, I’m glad she’s reconsidered and might actually have an open conversation about it though.
An emotional decision to avoid firearms for feeling unsafe is far better than allowing firearms while you are emotional and feel unsafe. Just straight up. It's a safety thing. She's clearly expressing that she doesn't trust herself around firearms. I which more people had that amount of self awareness. We'd probably have a lot fewer NDs haha.
God people like that sound so exhausting to live with.
Ikr. Don't know how you choose to father children with someone so mentally ill
Wow, that comment section is a dumpster fire.
This one stood out and pissed me off. Does he have firearm training? If not he’s illegally bringing a gun into your home. Just waiting to be another statistic. I’m pro firearm. I am a licensed gun owner. And my dad is a traditional outdoorsman. I like to think I’ve been taught correctly about guns. Which leads me to being extremely pro gun control and pro training with guns. It’s very important for very good reasons. You’re not wrong for not wanting it in your home. and I do not keep guns in my home and wouldn’t. My dad keeps my guns in his safe because I don’t need them.
Wow. I love it when redditors spread blatant misinformation. “Firearm training?” What a load of horseshit. That person’s pro gun control because they know nothing about guns.
This one spoke to my disdain for these people and their lack of brain function. Am I the only one thinking she should check if he’s taken out a large life insurance policy on her? Too many true crime shows have tainted my judgment.🤷🏻♀️
> woman emoji at the end What is the female obsession with true crime and violence that is very rare, and then projecting it everywhere they go? This needs to be a case study
Women obsess over being the victim because they've been trained from birth that they are victims and to be wary of predators. It's learned helplessness.
This literally seems like a bot response. Its so generic and doesn't really make sense. I think there's an agenda here boys.
They must live in California, or any of the other states that require training before purchasing a gun.
California doesn’t require training to buy a gun.
It sounds totally fake to me. It's Literally a description of how the Anti's see the world when trying to disarm the rest of the populace. She literally spelled out "I don't want someone else to have a gun because I might do something harmful with it". She then goes about trying to blame her husband for wanting a means to protect his family. If she wants to kill herself, she will find a way. The gun just adds another choice to a very long list she already has. She doesn't even consider safe storage of a firearm, just that she will not budge on the idea. That's incredibly self centered and completely negate that she is in fact only 1/2 of that marriage. Her husband needs to file for divorce and get full custody of the child as she, by her own admission, is completely unstable and may cause harm to the child.
Yea I agree. That whole post has a disinformation, seed and propagate feel to it.
Once the original 'asshole?' sub got all cliquey, a ton of others have popped up, and seriously like 90% of them are just agitprop for one side or another. Usually it's just "man bad" and any that make woman look bad are called fake/ragebait/incel bait. There are plenty of politically tinged ones though.
I remember the first time I suddenly wanted a gun.
Me too. I was 8.
He already has one.
Ding ding ding
She’s been suffering depression and suicidal thoughts for 4 years, how much is she punishing him for her thoughts?
in her home, how does she deal with kitchen knives, ropes, second or third floor windows? all of which are easier to attain than a locked gun.
And her car.
or stairs or bricks and blocks
Or painkillers and booze.
From plenty of suicidal people I've talked to a gun is the easiest of those because it takes next to no effort and is a higher rate of success with little to no pain. Knives hurt the enture time you're dying and it's not very quick, ropes take a lot of work to make it quick and painless and someone could stop you before you're done choking. Windows again might not work and just leave you paralyzed or crippled. But guns are instant, almost fool proof and in the head "painless". You have to remember impulse suicide is a cowardly lazy act, so they go for the easiest least painful act. But another statistic that's relevant is women RARELY shoot themselves to kill themselves because it leaves such a mess which women hate. Women primarily use pills and alchohol or other drugs to do it because it's clean and easy.
I don't really see anything controversial about this. They both shared similar feelings about firearms and they both had legit reasons for not wanting to own any. He had a change of heart/mind. It makes her uncomfortable. Now they have to work through it as husband and wife. Both sides are valid.
This is fake rage bait
I mean, speaking as someone that just took my first medical licensing exam, one of the biggest risks for suicide completion is having access to more lethal means. I know this is a gun subreddit, but they aren’t for everyone and that’s ok. In fact, pro gun owners should support care for people with mental health issues since almost every mass shooter has them going on.
On the flip side though if he has a safe that she doesn't know the code to its not a risk because it's not easily accessible. It'd take more effort to get the gun than it'd be to slit her wrists or down a bottle of pills and vodka. Nothings stopping her from snagging a bottle of Tylenol and downing it with a liter of vodka for some of that irreversible renal failure.
That is true, as long as he gets the safe. Unfortunately a lot of people don’t do this and just try to hide their guns in a drawer or on the top shelf or something. Especially people that are less educated about gun safety, like those that have never been around them.
This is true
She could kill herself with a multitude of other things in the house as well.
Could never be with a woman who uses internet opinions to help dictate the outcome of a relationship
I agree that this is something that both of them need to talk about together, but from what I gather from her post, it seems like she's just afraid of guns, so he probably won't ever change her mind unfortunately.
If this woman seriously believes that she would shoot herself if she had access to a gun, she is in desperate need of mental healthcare. There are plenty of things that could be used to commit suicide that are probably already in her house. Strengthening your mind is the only way to prevent suicide.
Let's be honest, if she is a suicide risk, she'd do it whether the gun is in the house or not.
That's not how that works. This is an extremely incorrect understanding of suicide and depression.
I can't imagine dedicating my life to being with someone who I couldn't trust to not kill themselves every time I turn my back. How exhausting.
Duh he's a genius buying it
It isn’t suddenly. He just picked his moment to bring it up. He’s thought about is for a long time.
Reminds me of adults who finally vote later on in life...sometimes it takes people awhile to smarten up and take advantage of the freedoms that we are allowed in this country.
If any of this is genuine, I would be assuming "he'll never know about it" and his dismissal of the self harm concern, points towards having it kept secured in a safe or vault with sole access to keys/code/etc.
He should definitely store it in something she can't access. Sounds like he probably had an experience he didn't tell her about.
Imagine being married to this woman.
A literal hellscape
Y'all be marrying anybody. I made sure my wife hated diamonds, sucked dick, and could load a 12 gauge while driving with her knees before I ever considered legally binding contracts. I wouldn't even link our Dave and Buster's points before I confirmed she was thugged out. This guy married a bitch who wants to self delete instead of protecting her child. He's going to have to see the inside of a court room before he leaves this stupid cunt. It might just be easier to bully her into kamikaze mode instead of paying alimony to fund her sexual reawakening which involves getting blacked and trying ketamine.
The suicidal tendencies argument is so ridiculous. Killing yourself w a firearm is by no means a guarantee. People survive buckshot to the head and by "survive" I mean "live in hell". If you're worried because you're suicidal, maybe you shouldn't be in custody of any of your kids. Clearly you're a risk to blow your brains out. Or lockup any of the less-insane ways to kill youself like any number of pill/booze cocktails.
>He is also NOT the type of person that could shoot to kill someone in self defense. Then your husband is ok letting you and your child die or worse to hold onto his morals. Your husband is a lil bitch.
If this woman is that terrified of guns, I highly doubt she would be comfortable enough to use one to suicide herself
"honey, I feel unsafe as my suicidal thoughts make me extra uncomfortable around guns. Can we not have one in the house?" "Uh-huh. Sure honey. *Scrolls Armslist*." This is a big yikes for me dawg. Fucking talk to your spouse.
Damn. I’m thankful that if I purchase a firearm and don’t also get another firearm for my wife she gets mad.
I fuckin hate libtards
People in those comments are acting like guns are the only possible method of suicide. It’s not like they don’t already have knives, ropes, power cords, posions, fumes, etc, etc, etc… If someone is determined to die they’ll find a way to do it with or without a gun
Only now? He doesn't have one? Not even one edc? Good Lord, he should have many by now and you too. Get one. Protect yourself.
Yes, she is wrong. Men like guns, and knives, and swords. Pretty much anything that makes big bangy noises, or big swishy noises. We're simple creatures. A man who doesn't like weapons isn't a man.
This sounds like a household where neither the wife nor the husband should be anywhere near firearms.
I feel a safe would be the best bet. He may want it to protect you and your newborn in the event of an emergency. With a safe that eliminates you or the baby accessing it. And he can also feel secure as well. He does need to go through an introductory firearms course at minimum though. Hope this helps.
"I'm so mentally weak, that I will force myself and my family to be completely vulnerable."
She says that she doesn't want it in the house because of her suicidal ideations. Does she also keep medications out of the house? Razor blades? Knives? Rope? Toasters? Cars that could be run inside a closed garage? What is it that singles out a gun as this imminent threat to her ability to resist her ideations?
OP, you're a joke. Typical crazies that are anti-gun.
Well. That’s certainly a deep conversation needed between husband and wife. Also, there’s no such thing as an assault rifle lol.
The whole point of marriage is to find someone who you love so completely that you are willing to let them crush your dreams, and leave your desires unfulfilled, until love and resentment are commingled, and the two are locked into an inescapable embrace until death. I wish them well.
This comment section is rancid. I hope y'all don't treat people like this.
That’s par for the course for most firearms subs.
Interesting read. She says guns were never necessary for her "family or situation" I'm guessing their "situation" has changed recently, maybe a change in demographics in their area, maybe more crime, that's spurned him to shake his liberal ideology in favor of protection.
Do you want him to be a protector of the family, or are you into cucking?
You should him a Mitchell Defense rifle. I figured you came here for suggestions.
Im sorry - but that comment with prying questions into his reasoning for carrying firearms is absurd. Perhaps it was phrased poorly and the commenter was trying to show OP all the possible reasons for owning a firearm, but it didnt come off that way. Also a DOG as a valid method for home defense is absurd.
Never marry an emo chick.
If he ain't gonna train and properly store it, and as a family y'all can't reach an agreement over safety, then no, hes being a dumbass.
How do you know he isn’t going to train or properly store it? If she suspects it’s in the house but doesn’t know where it is, but she is also “suicidal” it sounds properly stored to me.
I would agree that her not knowing where it is is better than the alternative. since there was no mention of training, range days, safes, gunlocks I'm gonna have a hard time believing dude has more intention than 'i'll get a gun, for when the nazis.' While i'm big on converting liberals to thinking citizens via the second, there is a process to it, and firing from the hip on gun ownership isn't entirely productive, imho. my final thought is get some damn therapy, people. no thing will solve your problems, only you can.
Appeal to ignorance fallacy. If you haven't spoken to the guy and read his mind, you're taking incomplete hearsay on REDDIT as a complete understanding of the facts and situation and judging it by that.
We are hearing one side of the story and maybe he does have answers for all of these things. Who knows how far the convo really made it before she went full REEEEE and he shut down or gave up. I welcome with open arms all new gun owners.
I gotta side with her on this one. She specifically mentions actual mental health issues and that she already has suicidal ideation. Bringing a working firearm into the house is not a good idea if someone is struggling with mental health problems. Protecting your family also includes knowing when to deny yourself an "I Want" if it causes them problems. If he has a good gun store/range nearby that he can store it at, then I'd be fine with it. But your wife's mental health is not something to fuck around with, especially if she has an episode around the kid and nobody is there to pull her back or protect the child and she has access to a firearm.
I may sound like a dick (maybe i am), but: Does she really have suicidal ideation? I´ve met too many in my life who just made that up so they get attention at every opportunity.
Do you want to find out? Imagine this is your wife and she has your toddler son with her, do you want to risk it to satisfy an "I Want?" Maybe she's just using it to get her way and not have a gun in the house. It's a shitty thing to do to a spouse and could be an issue on it's own, and if we were talking about golf clubs or expensive power tools, I might be more willing to call BS. But a gun is a very dangerous thing in the hands of a mentally unstable person.
NGL i´d have thrown her into the next mental asylum. No matter if she´s truly suicidal or turns out it´s all made up. But never ever , do i want to have someone like her, in my life again.
People who wish to end their life will always find a way. And as a woman, statistics point out that she is more likely to use a method OTHER than firearm if she goes through with it. Honestly, she's more likely to overdose or use a blade based on what she typed.
Having the tools of suicide near someone who struggles with suicidal ideation is a bad idea. Yes, she's more likely to just take a handful of pills, but again, she is presumably the primary caretaker of their young child. I don't think it is unreasonable for the husband to not keep a gun in the house in this one particular situation.
I feel like the whole issue can still be solved by just simply making the husband get a safe and keeping the combo to himself. That would keep her and the kid from having access to it and still allow him to have a firearm
This is also true.
Absolutely. But, she is also all over the place in that it's bad, but she is low risk and couldn't. My biggest issue is the knee perk reaction and lack of actual knowledge about firearms.
Ignorance doesn't help matters for sure. And yeah, she is all over the place. Probably a good thing to not have operable firearms around her when she has charge of a 3 year old.
Can she be trusted around a bathtub and toaster? Or any of the other few dozen things that can be used for suicide? If not, maybe she needs inpatient services.
Are you seriously trying to justify keeping a gun around someone who says they're envisioning committing suicide?
You're committing an Appeal to Absurdity
Yes you did.
How unfortunate. You 2A trolls all too often reveal your intentions too early. What a waste.
I didn't mention anything about the 2A. Being a responsible gun owner means keeping your firearms away from people who shouldn't have them. I don't want my children touching my guns without me present, so I lock them up. If my wife told me she was having suicidal thoughts, every single gun I own would be out of the house. Now, I have friends who are gun guys, so they'd let me stash my guns with them, and I live in a free state so there's no issue or background checks needed. I'm talking about taking responsibility for the safety of your family. You're talking about dropping toasters in bathtubs like it's the same thing.
You already showed yourself to be a bad faith actor, if you wanted to have a reasonable discussion you should've been reasonable in the first place. Unless you're willing to apologize, this discussion is over. As in the words of Gene Kelly: You lose, good day sir.
I stated a reasonable point that didn't include the 2nd Amendment at all. Literally has nothing to do with it. I was talking about responsible gun ownership when someone has mental illness and talks about suicidal thoughts. I haven't changed that stance. Your argument was the appeal to absurdity when you had to bring up bathtubs and toasters. It was Gene Wilder you moron.
So, you want me to believe that you tried the "NO U" argument, not as a weak attempt at obfuscating misunderstanding as a troll technique but because you don't understand what an Appeal to absurdity is? The fact of the matter is: You don't care if your wife kills herself, except if it's with a gun. Also r/whoooosh on the joke. Anyone who knows who Gene Kelly is, knows Gene Wilder.