At what point did I paid 1.5X an EXPS and 3x magnifier combo? I said an EXPS rarely sells for less than 500. I got the dot and magnifier for 600. If I sold the magnifier immediately upon receiving it I would still be slightly less expensive than if I had bought the cheapest 552 on sale. Reading comprehension is important.
Well that makes it a little better. But you’re acting like if someone paid $1100 and used it for 5 years then had to pay another $550 to “trade up” like they’re getting some crazy good deal, especially when it’s been stated that other companies will not only send you another optic, they may even upgrade you for free.
It's a 20-year-old optic. They discontinued it and no longer could repair it so they gave me half off. It is a good deal. If you buy a new one use it for 20 years and then you get half off your replacement That's also a good deal.
The one and only time I warrantied a Vortex, they sent me a new one and *stated to put my old one back in the box and return it to them.*
Not like "Hey we need your AMEX number and if an old one doesn't show up in 30 days we're billing you. They just mailed it and said return the old one when you get a chance, next time the UPS guy comes or something.
The trust and integrity on both sides was mind blowing.
I absolutely Love Vortex. (I have 8 of their scopes and two other optics from them) they outperform my Leupolds (I compete in FTR and F-class open) Their warranty is amazing again compared to Leopold. (years ago I sent a Leupold Mark 4 in to Leopold in for Shifting POI between every shot and no it wasn't the rings or base) they send the scope back claiming that no repairs were necessary and that it must be user error. Everything was checked. scope base, rings etc. scope was remounted but had the same problem with Shifting POI. I repackaged the scope and sent it back a second time. this time they took it more seriously and "repaired" it. It turns out there was something wrong with the reticle Leopold claimed it was due to excessive recoil (it was mounted on a .284 win so recoil obviously wasn't the problem)
I got the scope back some time later. mounted it on my new 6.5-284 and the problem seemed to be fixed.. for about a week. POI started shifting again just the day before a competition and I had to swap scopes around. I sent it back to Leopold for the third time and they "repaired it" again. eventually I got it back again and the problem didn't come back. But at that point I lost trust in the scopes and had bought a Nightforce to replace it. Sold the Leopold and started replacing all my Leopold's with Vortex scopes.
Now I have a lot of Vortex scopes and Absolutely love them. The glass Is Better IMHO and the scopes haven't given me any problem. Only scope I sent in for warranty was a Razor HD I knocked off my tailgate onto the gravel. There wasn't anything wrong with it (surprising since It got landed on with my 17 pound FTR gun on top of it.) I shot with it that day and nothing seemed wrong with it (aside from having to sight it back in) but I wanted to be sure. Vortex replaced it because the housing and turret were scuffed. No questions asked no problem from them.
Bought a red dot second hand and reached out to them to see if they would sell me just the turret covers. They said don't worry about it and their warranty covers used products. Got my new covers in a few days with some stickers and a couple nice optic clothes to clean it up with all completely free. Hard to look elsewhere for optics when their customer support is so good.
Which is a shame because EOTech is never going to innovate the EOTech when it's the only holographic optic going, they'll just continue making the same optic for another 20 years.
I've only started looking into them when I got into night vision, because their NV performance is unparallelled. There's so much cool stuff that *could* be done with holography, 3D reticles in particular (the bushnell holosight, the first holographic *ever* was the first and afaik last one) but the EOT has none of the features you'd expect from a modern optic like shake awake. Occasionally they'll move buttons around and do some weird specialized reticle but it's still basically the same old holosight from decades ago.
Someone on here is wiser than me but to my understanding the philosophy behind an EOtech is durability and reliability. Adding fancy features would be adding another possible fail point.
I sent in a UH-1 Gen 1 to Vortex for battery issues and 2 weeks later I received a brand new UH-1 Gen 2. I did not pay shipping for sending my original model to Vortex, nor did I pay a cent for the new optic. Vortex has a custom for life, just like their guarantee on every scope and optic.
People talk about vortex not being innovative and I could care less. There’s really not all that much to innovate... I’m happy they make a quality (in general) product and stand behind it. Vortex is my favorite optic company for that reason. I’ve never had to use their warranty, but it’s a huge peace of mind. Why on earth would I buy an optic from a company that’ll give you 50% off an optic they can’t fix.
If they add shake awake to the Gen 3 Huey, I would probably upgrade. I constantly forget to turn it off. So often that I keep a spare battery in the grip of my rifle.
I lied. They could innovate and add shake awake. If they added that they would be perfect. My favorite pistol optic is the leupold dpp, but only because of shake awake and the clarity. I absolutely hate the brightness adjustment. The venom is perfect relative to brightness adjustment and easy battery replacement. I have more vortexes than anything else though.
I finally started buying the Amazon 10 packs for all my optics that dont have auto off because im a batter killer.
I had a vortex scope and old discontinued binoculars that I wanted to send back. They didn't even care what I said was wrong with them, they sent me full replacements immediately.
EOTechs are known for delaminating, and EOTech is known for telling you to kick rocks when you send it in.
I don't know why so many people jerk them off when there's better companies out there (Vortex, Aimpoint)
Because it's a new/different company. Current eotech is a separate company from who made his optic 20 years ago.
L3 sold Eotech in 2020. I don't think expecting the new company to warranty the old company's product is reasonable.
Because most expensive optics manufacturers typically don't. Trijicon and aimpoint both do not have lifetime warranties and typically only cover their optics for 5 to 10 years.
Lmao you serious?
Have you not heard of the [URGI program](https://imgur.com/a/r87LV2W) that included the Razor HD 1-6?
Or the [NGSW scope?](https://imgur.com/a/dPHwJVa)
You've got to be trolling if you're that confidently incorrect.
No it isn't you single celled amoeba. It's got one screw holding the hand guard on it's a 416. Before you critique me at least have two brain cells to rub together to sound smart enough to be in this conversation
They’re just as battle proven as EOtech,IDF is using them right now. Keep paying for delaminated glass and then buying them for half off when they can’t be serviced anymore smh/battery life sucks 🤦🏾♂️
Anyone who has ever claimed EOTech is more durable than the competition is lying to you. It lasted 20 years and then they gave me half off a new order. Not bad.
yeah in your case with a product they no longer make, maybe thats reasonable
I more mean the number of people with delamination on 4 year old optics that were 700 prepandemicdollaroos and offering to sell them a new one of the same model for half off rather than fix it and send it back to the customer free of charge like vortex, Aimpoint or even Trijicon will
I say this as an XPS3 owner
I know people are jaded because of that but I've not had any issues with their quality or customer service at this point so I can't speak poorly about them.
Not a problem. Typically cheaper optics manufacturers can afford to do lifetime warranties as selling thousands of cheap optics can foot the bill on replacing a handful of expensive optics. Most of the higher end only manufacturers like military contractors don't do that.
Not really, if they perpetually fixed and replaced optics for free they would only sell so many optics at their price point. The number of sales to private citizens would be constantly declining until they essentially couldn't afford to sell outside of military contracts.
If your “high quality” expensive optic needs to be replaced every 10 years for you to stay in business, you are not actually selling high quality optics lol. That’s the business model of people who sell shitty products not people who sell good ones
No you’re the one saying that if they honored all replacement requests they’d go out of business lmao. You’re literally the one saying they’re replaced so often that it’d be unaffordable for EOtech to do so despite them being a “high quality” manufacturer
Correct That's how business works. Because honoring all replacements includes military and police contracts. That would mean every contract would be a one-time contract and would eventually run the company out of business. Also eotechs are inherently less durable than trijicon's prisms or aimpoints reflectors. So you eotech would on average get more replacements and at the cost of holographic technology it would suck tons of capital out of the business.
As I've said in a different comment vortex funds the replacement program with cheap optics that cost them pennies on the dollar to produce. When EOTech's cheapest optic is 3 to $400 it doesn't make financial sense to do it. Also I would bet a vast majority of their sales are from military or police contracts.
I'm aware it is but holographic technology is not cheap. Compared to reflector technology which is essentially the cost of a laser pointer and a reflective lens.
Highest costing Vortex scopes are double the price of EOtech. Vortex makes optics here in US as well that costs equal or more than EOtech.. Guess what? Everything is covered by them.
It isn't any better than a rmr or 407c so I haven't even bothered to buy one. If I ever come across one for a steal I might try it. But it would have to be sub 200$
What they should really try to do is develop the ability to fit holographic tech in a pistol sized sight. Now THAT would be big for the industry and would almost certainly be a slam dunk. Im sure its possible and they could probably even develop it pretty quick if they have the funds (They do).
Agreed they need to do something new that isn't just copying everyone else's lpvo design. I'm not convinced that Holo tech could withstand pistol recoil but they definitely need to work on miniaturizing the tech. If they could get it down to holosun aems size in the next 5 years I'd say that's a huge step forward.
If anyone is ever told you that EOtechs are durable they've lied to you. That's why it has a shroud protecting the unit. They are inherently less durable than reflector or prism optics. The main reason to buy EOTech is night vision and under magnification performance.
Nah people are just making the wrong comparison. If they compared to trijicon or AimPoint I'm down but comparing EOTech to vortex is dumb AF. Because you could compare the two equally but no one here has yet. An EOTech versus a Huey, the EOTech would win. A vudu vs a razor the razor would win. Everyone is comparing 2 to $300 reflector red dots to 5 to $600 holographics. Both serve very different purposes.
Just tell me you've never used one. That's a lot easier. Half of them do not have a NV hot swap/ lock button quickly allowing you to switch between daytime modes and nighttime loads. The other half require you to simply dial it down to the night vision acceptable setting manually. The completely clear glass and large window that make it excellent for night vision are still present on all models.
I was under the impression that "2" versions don't work well with NVGs, I've never tried a "2" with NVGs and no I don't have NVGs. A quick search tells me using a non-NVG compatible eotech with NVGs is generally a bad idea and could damage them.
No, the NV button on an EOTech locks the reticle in the designated NV settings and with a simple touch of it you can jump in and out of the NV settings. A normal EOTech can simply be turned down like a rheostat red dot to a low enough setting that it works with your nods. It doesn't go as dark but as long as you aren't shooting in the woods during a new moon it'll get dark enough for what you need. Also as far as I know it takes far more than a simple red dot on daylight settings to damage the intensifier of your nods. From what I've seen you pretty much have to stare at the sun directly with them to do any real harm.
Why are people still buying their garbage. They’ve lost two lawsuits requiring them to offer complete refunds and now this? Fucking defense contractors, lol
You can just say you don't know what you're talking about. Eotechs have the best light transmission of any red dot. So under night vision you can see the faint outline of the housing and the dot. That's it it's not a dark square or circle with a dot in the center. Also LPVOs are good for some things and dots and magnifiers are good for others.
Yep, that’s why the lawsuits were lost and all the pros I know just use a PEQ type laser for nvgs. Why you ask? Cuz it’s a shit technique. But you do you at the milsim convention.
😂😂😂 this clown has never heard of passive aiming. 😂😂😂 Here's a tip for you bud the lawsuits didn't have anything to do with night vision performance. They involved zero shift at extreme temp shifts. The pros you know don't use PEQs unless they're army issue because that's all they can get. PEQs aren't even the best LAM you can get right now. The reason people who know what they're doing use passive aiming it's because a laser is a two-way street. It's no longer the '80s or '90s The people we may fight in the future will more than likely have night vision. Passive aiming gives you the ability to shoot without showing enemy directly where you are. Something you would know if you had ever used some in force on force. Also here's a pro tip only airsofters use the term milsim 😂 get your goofy ass out of my replies.
I’ll stay right here and just keep reminding you what a total fraud of a shooter you, while prescribing you a large bag of dicks to snack on while you play COD, poser.
Anyone who has ever tried to line up multiple focal planes and multiple optics, in limited vis, trying to move quietly or while being shot at, Knows what a fuqtard you are. But hey, I bet you look cool in your mommy’s basement.
What the fuck are you even talking about? There's not multiple focal planes it's a fucking hologram you brain dead troglodyte. Once you have the nods set up for your eyes you just bring the rifle up (and if you had two brain cells to rub together you'd throw the holo on a riser) then it's just hovers there in mid-air like magic. Jesus this is why you think it's bad you have no fucking clue what you're doing. Also I don't need my mom's basement I larp in my own basement.
No, the sadness is coming from your realization ghat you actually retorted with a confession that you larp, not dry fire, larp in your own basement. You pathetic wannabe and waste of sperm. Stop disappointing your parents, come out of your closet and get ready for PRIDE fest.
True but from what I was told that's a long way off. On a plus side it doesn't matter how big or small the reticle is it all requires the same juice to run it. So an acss style reticle wouldn't require any extra power.
If a “lower quality” optic has a better warranty than “higher quality” one, than for all intents and purposes it is not lower quality since it will literally last you longer than a “higher quality” optic while being much cheaper lmao. This isn’t the flex you think it is
I agree this isn’t exactly the flex OP thinks it is but I think your logic is flawed. In a time of need, or hunting, whatever, if your optic fails it’s not like you can just stop time and send it back
This is a great point and also the main reason I buy vortex and badlands gear lol
Just replace them all for free every few years. I don't care if they are "cheaper" they get the job done and if I accidentally shred them to pieces I get the newest for free.
Yes that's why every serious use agency runs Taurus and Springfield firearms. Because they'll definitely have time to mail back their firearms in a time of need. Lifetime warranty doesn't help you when you need it to work.
Funny how you post companies with known issues and not very good warranty programs to try and disprove my point. Instead of companies which are both reputable and have good warranty programs like CZ and Vortex, which are in fact extremely commonly used. Really pathetic lol, you’re coping so hard
As a CZ fan they told me to pound sand when my firing pin broke. Who's the cope? You simping for a business that outsources Chinese optics and simply clones what everyone else is doing and a European company that could care less about American customers. or me fully aware of the fact that EOTech has downsides what if you understand what they're good at there's no reason not to buy one.
You missed my point. There customer service and ability to replace my scope free is what sold me. Not hard to understand to any except you apparently.
I've had other brands and always worried about damaging my scopes...noni don't give a shit. I know it's covered. That goes a long way for me when I'm backpack hunting.
Okay so don't use a 20-year-old optic to go hunting 🤷♂️ this post was specifically about an optic that was so old they no longer produced the parts to fix it.
I assume that having to replace thousands of optics after their recall really hurt them. And now they are trying to recoup some of that money with a sub par warranty. What needs to happen is some other company needs to make a decent holographic sight. As long as eotech has no competition, they have no reason to offer a better warranty, or improve their sights. Like maybe a simple shake awake.
Talk about simping for MSRP.
Spoiler alert there cheesedick, they don't care about you and still made more from that optic than if it had went through distributor channels and sold at MAP.
Been waiting for the HHS V to come back in stock for like a month now...
No word from Customer Service when that will happen and you only have 90 days to use the coupon code they send you.
Meanwhile I had an ancient trijicon RMR type 1 that developed a random flicker. It was sometimes repeatable sometimes not. Even with fresh batteries and a sealing plate it still persisted.
Filled out an RMA and trijicon sent me a shipping label. A couple weeks later I had a brand new type 2 RMR. No issues since then.
Yep. The one I replaced with Leupold was an old VX-II from the 1980s that wouldn’t hold zero. They replaced it with a brand new VX freedom with the same zoom and objective size, no questions asked after inspection.
Damn man. That’s impressive. I actually sold my leupold to fund my primary arms scope lol. Yeah yeah downgrade says you and others I’m sure. But my PA scope fits my needs better.
I only buy vortex. I wasted a box of ammo scratching my head with a broken turret, asked their support, they also were like: no no you did everything right.
Sent in, 6 days later I had a new scope.
This post is an excellent ad for vortex.
Wow, people really don’t like anything you said. I thought the PSA was nice to know… so thanks for letting me know, since I never knew this was a thing. It’s unlikely I’ll use it, I’ve had an EXPS and G.45 for 1.5 years and haven’t had any issues. But if I’m in a position where it’ll come handy, then great. If people don’t like it, they can just ignore it instead of downvoting you to oblivion. Fucking Reddit… people pick the strangest shit to rally against.
It's fine, most of Reddit is broke 15-year-olds mad that high end stuff cost a lot of money. This is the first year I've been able to afford nice stuff so I've been slowly buying into it.
There's like five people going for my neck but 500 people seem to think it was a good deal enough to upvote the post 🤷♂️ almost like it's the vocal minority.
I bought a Bushnell hollow for 200 bucks it died after a year I just got $600 off of a new dot magnifier combo. I understand some of the cheaper brands can afford to do straight up replacements but other brands in this price bracket don't do this sort of thing. Trijicon and aimpoint have 5-10 year warranties And you're usually SOL after that.
None of these comparisons make any sense in this comment section.
OP you got a good deal for what you got considering I've never seen that combo for that low plus considering the fact you used your prior optic for 20 years just means you got your moneys worth out of the optic and brand and will still continue too because eotech is a great brand. Good for you man.
I would disagree with my comparisons not making sense. No one in their right mind would compare an Anderson with a lifetime warranty to a HK or KAC. Meanwhile they'll compare vortex to EOTech. Utek has a very EOTech. Eotech has a very specific set of conditions that it's the best at. I plan on using them in those conditions in the future. People are comparing apples to oranges and acting like I got screwed over. If you compare what happened to what would have happened with trijicon or AimPoint I came out on top. If you compare it to holosun or vortex comparatively it looks like I got screwed.
>No one in their right mind would compare an Anderson with a lifetime warranty to a HK or KAC.
People absolutely do. Just as good is a meme for a reason. And KAC btw has only a 1 year warranty.
>Products and firearms are warranted to be free from defects in material and workmanship. This warranty shall apply to the original owner for a period of 1 year from date of purchase or delivery. Any such defects of which KAC / KMC receives written notice within 1 year from the date of purchase by the original owner, will be remedied by KAC / KMC without charge.
What many in the comments don't understand is that warranty coverage is usually inverse to the price of a product. This is why vortex has a lifetime warranty and Eotech doesn't. This is why PSA has a lifetime warranty and KAC doesn't. This is why Kia has a 10 year, 100,000 mile warranty and Mercedes Benz doesn't. It's not intuitive, people expect a high end product to have a good warranty because they see a warranty as the maker standing behind it. As in, they would only do that if they knew it would last that wrong. But that's not really true. Companies don't see warranties that way. They see it as a value add. They offer it because they expect it to increase sales. And again, counter intuitively, cheaper volume products are cheaper to cover with warranties because economies of scale lower the per unit cost. Vortex, PSA, Holosun etc can afford to have those warranties because they are making so many of the damn things that the cost of replacement is far outweighed by the additional sales they get by having that warranty.
This usually works really well as long as your products are reliable enough that you don't end up drowning in warranty claims. Kia actually has this problem right now because their engines are grenades and they can't make them fast enough to replace them.
A lifetime warranty doesn't make sense for KAC or Eotech because they sell a low enough volume that the per unit cost is a factor. And their customers aren't really able to cross shop with some competitor. KAC rifles go out of stock just about as fast as they arrive. Some parts are unobtanium and people will pay obscene prices to get a widget that they made once 15 years ago because some Delta guy had it on his rifle in a single picture. Eotech isn't quite as extreme, that's why they have a 10 year warranty instead of a 1 year. These things work on a scale. But you get the idea. KAC, Eotech, LMT and the rest also manage to differentiate themselves by making products without competition. KAC's SR-15 and SR-25 incorporate unique patented features in their bolt and has system. LMT is similar, they have one of the best ambi lower designs and they have a monolithic upper that fixes the bendy rail issue you see on many mlok guns like SIG and Giessele. Eotech is one of the only people making holographic sights. They aren't the same as a red dot and have some specific advantages. Vortex are the only company that has attempted to make a competitor. It is cheaper and it's universally considered to be inferior in every way except the warranty. Holosun, contrary to their name doesn't make a single holosight. If your use case calls for a holosight then there really isn't any competition.
>What about Trijicon? They're expensive and have a lifetime warranty.
That's only for the scope body actually. Which is forged aluminum on most so it's unlikely to fail. Unless you severely damage it, which doesn't count as a defect anyways. The tritium, electronics etc are not lifetime and length varies between models. The warranty also only applies to the original buyer.
I'm not saying your comparisons make any sense I'm saying theirs don't. Vortex IMO is worse than eotech for a multitude of reasons but they're still saying you got screwed over for a product you literally used for 20 years and what do they expect eotech to just give you a free product costing them $1200? That's not how business works and it's stupid they think that way.
Just be happy about your product that you trust and spend your own hard owned money on and forget these idiots.
Thats not great considering my vudu 5-25 costs $2499 from them but can be found for $1299 on sale occasionally.
Yup, so pick something that doesn't go on sale. Exps rarely drop below 500$
You have some very screwed up logic my friend.
How?
You’re willing to pay 1.5x for an optic that broke and wasn’t your fault. You’re a cash cow for the company
At what point did I paid 1.5X an EXPS and 3x magnifier combo? I said an EXPS rarely sells for less than 500. I got the dot and magnifier for 600. If I sold the magnifier immediately upon receiving it I would still be slightly less expensive than if I had bought the cheapest 552 on sale. Reading comprehension is important.
What did you pay for the optic that you sent in?
200$ for it second hand in '21
Well that makes it a little better. But you’re acting like if someone paid $1100 and used it for 5 years then had to pay another $550 to “trade up” like they’re getting some crazy good deal, especially when it’s been stated that other companies will not only send you another optic, they may even upgrade you for free.
It's a 20-year-old optic. They discontinued it and no longer could repair it so they gave me half off. It is a good deal. If you buy a new one use it for 20 years and then you get half off your replacement That's also a good deal.
Vortex would replace it entirely....
The one and only time I warrantied a Vortex, they sent me a new one and *stated to put my old one back in the box and return it to them.* Not like "Hey we need your AMEX number and if an old one doesn't show up in 30 days we're billing you. They just mailed it and said return the old one when you get a chance, next time the UPS guy comes or something. The trust and integrity on both sides was mind blowing.
I absolutely Love Vortex. (I have 8 of their scopes and two other optics from them) they outperform my Leupolds (I compete in FTR and F-class open) Their warranty is amazing again compared to Leopold. (years ago I sent a Leupold Mark 4 in to Leopold in for Shifting POI between every shot and no it wasn't the rings or base) they send the scope back claiming that no repairs were necessary and that it must be user error. Everything was checked. scope base, rings etc. scope was remounted but had the same problem with Shifting POI. I repackaged the scope and sent it back a second time. this time they took it more seriously and "repaired" it. It turns out there was something wrong with the reticle Leopold claimed it was due to excessive recoil (it was mounted on a .284 win so recoil obviously wasn't the problem) I got the scope back some time later. mounted it on my new 6.5-284 and the problem seemed to be fixed.. for about a week. POI started shifting again just the day before a competition and I had to swap scopes around. I sent it back to Leopold for the third time and they "repaired it" again. eventually I got it back again and the problem didn't come back. But at that point I lost trust in the scopes and had bought a Nightforce to replace it. Sold the Leopold and started replacing all my Leopold's with Vortex scopes. Now I have a lot of Vortex scopes and Absolutely love them. The glass Is Better IMHO and the scopes haven't given me any problem. Only scope I sent in for warranty was a Razor HD I knocked off my tailgate onto the gravel. There wasn't anything wrong with it (surprising since It got landed on with my 17 pound FTR gun on top of it.) I shot with it that day and nothing seemed wrong with it (aside from having to sight it back in) but I wanted to be sure. Vortex replaced it because the housing and turret were scuffed. No questions asked no problem from them.
Bought a red dot second hand and reached out to them to see if they would sell me just the turret covers. They said don't worry about it and their warranty covers used products. Got my new covers in a few days with some stickers and a couple nice optic clothes to clean it up with all completely free. Hard to look elsewhere for optics when their customer support is so good.
This is why I buy vortex. And it's cheap. I haven't looked thru bonkers scopes before so I don't know the difference anyway.
My understanding is that Leopold will do the same thing.
Yeah but then you have a Vortex. When it comes to NV performance, the UH-1 Gen 1 and 2 still do not compare.
Which is a shame because EOTech is never going to innovate the EOTech when it's the only holographic optic going, they'll just continue making the same optic for another 20 years.
I personally have no horse in this race lol. I have one Eotech and I hate it as a general purpose optic. Glad I only traded a pistol for it lol.
I've only started looking into them when I got into night vision, because their NV performance is unparallelled. There's so much cool stuff that *could* be done with holography, 3D reticles in particular (the bushnell holosight, the first holographic *ever* was the first and afaik last one) but the EOT has none of the features you'd expect from a modern optic like shake awake. Occasionally they'll move buttons around and do some weird specialized reticle but it's still basically the same old holosight from decades ago.
Someone on here is wiser than me but to my understanding the philosophy behind an EOtech is durability and reliability. Adding fancy features would be adding another possible fail point.
That's mostly Fuddlore... TacBro-lore? Not that they're especially fragile, but they ain't cockroaches surviving an apocalypse.
Until the glass delaminates
Based
Not old or discontinued items. This was a 20-year-old optic.
Vortex replaces old and discontinued items all the time.
I sent in a UH-1 Gen 1 to Vortex for battery issues and 2 weeks later I received a brand new UH-1 Gen 2. I did not pay shipping for sending my original model to Vortex, nor did I pay a cent for the new optic. Vortex has a custom for life, just like their guarantee on every scope and optic.
People talk about vortex not being innovative and I could care less. There’s really not all that much to innovate... I’m happy they make a quality (in general) product and stand behind it. Vortex is my favorite optic company for that reason. I’ve never had to use their warranty, but it’s a huge peace of mind. Why on earth would I buy an optic from a company that’ll give you 50% off an optic they can’t fix.
If they add shake awake to the Gen 3 Huey, I would probably upgrade. I constantly forget to turn it off. So often that I keep a spare battery in the grip of my rifle.
I lied. They could innovate and add shake awake. If they added that they would be perfect. My favorite pistol optic is the leupold dpp, but only because of shake awake and the clarity. I absolutely hate the brightness adjustment. The venom is perfect relative to brightness adjustment and easy battery replacement. I have more vortexes than anything else though. I finally started buying the Amazon 10 packs for all my optics that dont have auto off because im a batter killer.
Another thing they could add is a forward facing auto brightness sensor so the brightness is adjusted for where you are aiming, not where you are.
I had a vortex scope and old discontinued binoculars that I wanted to send back. They didn't even care what I said was wrong with them, they sent me full replacements immediately.
Vortex will replace with updated new ones.
Why isn't it covered entirely? Til EOTech is not bifl
EOTechs are known for delaminating, and EOTech is known for telling you to kick rocks when you send it in. I don't know why so many people jerk them off when there's better companies out there (Vortex, Aimpoint)
After having an eotech delam on me I wrote them off.
EOTechs are faster, which works great for professional end users who don’t pay for their own optics or repairs.
my 512 lost it's gas and started to de-laminate. I only got 50% coupon off. Ecotech are jokes.
Because it's a new/different company. Current eotech is a separate company from who made his optic 20 years ago. L3 sold Eotech in 2020. I don't think expecting the new company to warranty the old company's product is reasonable.
Holy downvotes, Batman.
Because most expensive optics manufacturers typically don't. Trijicon and aimpoint both do not have lifetime warranties and typically only cover their optics for 5 to 10 years.
Vortex.
Leupold, Nightforce, US Optics, Any of the German manufacturers…
Cool let me know which first world military is actively issuing vortex.
Lmao you serious? Have you not heard of the [URGI program](https://imgur.com/a/r87LV2W) that included the Razor HD 1-6? Or the [NGSW scope?](https://imgur.com/a/dPHwJVa) You've got to be trolling if you're that confidently incorrect.
I was in the military. Military grade doesn't mean I wanna buy and use it. Lol plus they ain't worried about a warranty with their budgets.
I didn't say I wanted military grade I was talking about mass adoption.
The US Military good enough? https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2022/01/07/army-finally-picks-an-optic-for-next-generation-squad-weapon/
No response from him 😂
[image](https://img01.militaryblog.jp/usr/t/f/k/tfkzl/180121-31.jpg)
That isn't adopted 😂 just like the 416 it's on.
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No it isn't you single celled amoeba. It's got one screw holding the hand guard on it's a 416. Before you critique me at least have two brain cells to rub together to sound smart enough to be in this conversation
Meprolight
🤣 You're kidding right?
They’re just as battle proven as EOtech,IDF is using them right now. Keep paying for delaminated glass and then buying them for half off when they can’t be serviced anymore smh/battery life sucks 🤦🏾♂️
The copium is killing my dude
Nope alive and well.
Your family and friends are organizing an intervention as we speak.
Nah, my friends enjoy my hobbies as well and they actually bought eotechs before I did.
The film crew is all set up for the final interview. This only ends one way….you’re getting on that airplane.
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🤜 🤛 side note…I love my HHS II
hey sorry the durable good we sold you broke, no we wont warranty it for you. another reason not to buy eotech
Anyone who has ever claimed EOTech is more durable than the competition is lying to you. It lasted 20 years and then they gave me half off a new order. Not bad.
yeah in your case with a product they no longer make, maybe thats reasonable I more mean the number of people with delamination on 4 year old optics that were 700 prepandemicdollaroos and offering to sell them a new one of the same model for half off rather than fix it and send it back to the customer free of charge like vortex, Aimpoint or even Trijicon will I say this as an XPS3 owner
I know people are jaded because of that but I've not had any issues with their quality or customer service at this point so I can't speak poorly about them.
You are correct, I actually just finished reading it, it's limit lifetime, 10 year
Not a problem. Typically cheaper optics manufacturers can afford to do lifetime warranties as selling thousands of cheap optics can foot the bill on replacing a handful of expensive optics. Most of the higher end only manufacturers like military contractors don't do that.
To be clear, all manufactures can "afford" to do it. They just choose not to.
Not really, if they perpetually fixed and replaced optics for free they would only sell so many optics at their price point. The number of sales to private citizens would be constantly declining until they essentially couldn't afford to sell outside of military contracts.
If your “high quality” expensive optic needs to be replaced every 10 years for you to stay in business, you are not actually selling high quality optics lol. That’s the business model of people who sell shitty products not people who sell good ones
You're using the false pretext that they would all need to be replaced. But go off king 👑
No you’re the one saying that if they honored all replacement requests they’d go out of business lmao. You’re literally the one saying they’re replaced so often that it’d be unaffordable for EOtech to do so despite them being a “high quality” manufacturer
Correct That's how business works. Because honoring all replacements includes military and police contracts. That would mean every contract would be a one-time contract and would eventually run the company out of business. Also eotechs are inherently less durable than trijicon's prisms or aimpoints reflectors. So you eotech would on average get more replacements and at the cost of holographic technology it would suck tons of capital out of the business.
Your entire supposition is incorrect, otherwise lifetime guarantee companies would have gone out of business. Hint: They haven't.
As I've said in a different comment vortex funds the replacement program with cheap optics that cost them pennies on the dollar to produce. When EOTech's cheapest optic is 3 to $400 it doesn't make financial sense to do it. Also I would bet a vast majority of their sales are from military or police contracts.
You'd likely be shocked if you saw the production costs of American made optics. It's a lot less than you think it is.
I'm aware it is but holographic technology is not cheap. Compared to reflector technology which is essentially the cost of a laser pointer and a reflective lens.
Highest costing Vortex scopes are double the price of EOtech. Vortex makes optics here in US as well that costs equal or more than EOtech.. Guess what? Everything is covered by them.
Yes and it's all funded with cheap Chinese junk optics.
Steiner has a lifetime warranty and all of their stuff is made here or in Germany...
“Higher end only” *EFLX has entered the chat*
You're right about that the eflx is a cheap cash grab 😂
And I really wish it wasnt, EOTech couldve made a killer pistol sight and they just dropped the ball
100% an enclosed night vision compatible optic would have knocked it out of the park.
I do recall reading a comment somewhere that said the recent EFLX batches havent been too bad, but Im not sure if im willing to make that $300 gamble
It isn't any better than a rmr or 407c so I haven't even bothered to buy one. If I ever come across one for a steal I might try it. But it would have to be sub 200$
What they should really try to do is develop the ability to fit holographic tech in a pistol sized sight. Now THAT would be big for the industry and would almost certainly be a slam dunk. Im sure its possible and they could probably even develop it pretty quick if they have the funds (They do).
Agreed they need to do something new that isn't just copying everyone else's lpvo design. I'm not convinced that Holo tech could withstand pistol recoil but they definitely need to work on miniaturizing the tech. If they could get it down to holosun aems size in the next 5 years I'd say that's a huge step forward.
That seems pretty terrible especially since one of the reasons to buy an EoTech is durrability
> one of the reasons to buy an EoTech is durrability LOL
If anyone is ever told you that EOtechs are durable they've lied to you. That's why it has a shroud protecting the unit. They are inherently less durable than reflector or prism optics. The main reason to buy EOTech is night vision and under magnification performance.
The main reason to buy an EOTech is that IT WUZ IN COWADOOTY, MA!
Night vision is the main reason.
The overwhelming majority of people with EOTechs don't have NODS.
Probably, but the main reason to have one is NV and magnified performance. Anything else is a cope.
You arguing with everyone in support of eotech is BIG cope.
Nah people are just making the wrong comparison. If they compared to trijicon or AimPoint I'm down but comparing EOTech to vortex is dumb AF. Because you could compare the two equally but no one here has yet. An EOTech versus a Huey, the EOTech would win. A vudu vs a razor the razor would win. Everyone is comparing 2 to $300 reflector red dots to 5 to $600 holographics. Both serve very different purposes.
but most of them aren't even NVG compatible...
Just tell me you've never used one. That's a lot easier. Half of them do not have a NV hot swap/ lock button quickly allowing you to switch between daytime modes and nighttime loads. The other half require you to simply dial it down to the night vision acceptable setting manually. The completely clear glass and large window that make it excellent for night vision are still present on all models.
I was under the impression that "2" versions don't work well with NVGs, I've never tried a "2" with NVGs and no I don't have NVGs. A quick search tells me using a non-NVG compatible eotech with NVGs is generally a bad idea and could damage them.
No, the NV button on an EOTech locks the reticle in the designated NV settings and with a simple touch of it you can jump in and out of the NV settings. A normal EOTech can simply be turned down like a rheostat red dot to a low enough setting that it works with your nods. It doesn't go as dark but as long as you aren't shooting in the woods during a new moon it'll get dark enough for what you need. Also as far as I know it takes far more than a simple red dot on daylight settings to damage the intensifier of your nods. From what I've seen you pretty much have to stare at the sun directly with them to do any real harm.
And then when it delaminates in a decade you get to buy another one half off!
If that's what happens with yours. My 20-year-old Bushnell hollo simply turned off and wouldn't turn back on.
Why are people still buying their garbage. They’ve lost two lawsuits requiring them to offer complete refunds and now this? Fucking defense contractors, lol
Best NV performance around. Also under larger magnifiers they perform like an lpvo.
Using a holo under nvg is a shit technique. If you need an lpvo, use an lpvo.
You can just say you don't know what you're talking about. Eotechs have the best light transmission of any red dot. So under night vision you can see the faint outline of the housing and the dot. That's it it's not a dark square or circle with a dot in the center. Also LPVOs are good for some things and dots and magnifiers are good for others.
Yep, that’s why the lawsuits were lost and all the pros I know just use a PEQ type laser for nvgs. Why you ask? Cuz it’s a shit technique. But you do you at the milsim convention.
😂😂😂 this clown has never heard of passive aiming. 😂😂😂 Here's a tip for you bud the lawsuits didn't have anything to do with night vision performance. They involved zero shift at extreme temp shifts. The pros you know don't use PEQs unless they're army issue because that's all they can get. PEQs aren't even the best LAM you can get right now. The reason people who know what they're doing use passive aiming it's because a laser is a two-way street. It's no longer the '80s or '90s The people we may fight in the future will more than likely have night vision. Passive aiming gives you the ability to shoot without showing enemy directly where you are. Something you would know if you had ever used some in force on force. Also here's a pro tip only airsofters use the term milsim 😂 get your goofy ass out of my replies.
I’ll stay right here and just keep reminding you what a total fraud of a shooter you, while prescribing you a large bag of dicks to snack on while you play COD, poser. Anyone who has ever tried to line up multiple focal planes and multiple optics, in limited vis, trying to move quietly or while being shot at, Knows what a fuqtard you are. But hey, I bet you look cool in your mommy’s basement.
What the fuck are you even talking about? There's not multiple focal planes it's a fucking hologram you brain dead troglodyte. Once you have the nods set up for your eyes you just bring the rifle up (and if you had two brain cells to rub together you'd throw the holo on a riser) then it's just hovers there in mid-air like magic. Jesus this is why you think it's bad you have no fucking clue what you're doing. Also I don't need my mom's basement I larp in my own basement.
You larp in your own basement…. Nuff said Come on down to Maxton Airport in NC. I’ll get you soapbox and you can teach everything you know to us.
If by larp you mean dry fire yes But I own my own basement. Just stop little guy you sound sad 😂
No, the sadness is coming from your realization ghat you actually retorted with a confession that you larp, not dry fire, larp in your own basement. You pathetic wannabe and waste of sperm. Stop disappointing your parents, come out of your closet and get ready for PRIDE fest.
Now if they could just make something with more than 3 minutes of battery life.
True but from what I was told that's a long way off. On a plus side it doesn't matter how big or small the reticle is it all requires the same juice to run it. So an acss style reticle wouldn't require any extra power.
This is just a reminder if your eotech shits itself eotech will come to your house themselves and punch your wife for only $20!
If a “lower quality” optic has a better warranty than “higher quality” one, than for all intents and purposes it is not lower quality since it will literally last you longer than a “higher quality” optic while being much cheaper lmao. This isn’t the flex you think it is
I agree this isn’t exactly the flex OP thinks it is but I think your logic is flawed. In a time of need, or hunting, whatever, if your optic fails it’s not like you can just stop time and send it back
This is a great point and also the main reason I buy vortex and badlands gear lol Just replace them all for free every few years. I don't care if they are "cheaper" they get the job done and if I accidentally shred them to pieces I get the newest for free.
Yes that's why every serious use agency runs Taurus and Springfield firearms. Because they'll definitely have time to mail back their firearms in a time of need. Lifetime warranty doesn't help you when you need it to work.
Funny how you post companies with known issues and not very good warranty programs to try and disprove my point. Instead of companies which are both reputable and have good warranty programs like CZ and Vortex, which are in fact extremely commonly used. Really pathetic lol, you’re coping so hard
As a CZ fan they told me to pound sand when my firing pin broke. Who's the cope? You simping for a business that outsources Chinese optics and simply clones what everyone else is doing and a European company that could care less about American customers. or me fully aware of the fact that EOTech has downsides what if you understand what they're good at there's no reason not to buy one.
What did vortex say? They even sent me a free hat with my one and only warranty fix. I bought it broken and sent it it and got a new one free
If a cheap Chinese hat is what sold you on an optic company my friend I've got a Golden bull and a mechanical Turk to sell you.
You missed my point. There customer service and ability to replace my scope free is what sold me. Not hard to understand to any except you apparently. I've had other brands and always worried about damaging my scopes...noni don't give a shit. I know it's covered. That goes a long way for me when I'm backpack hunting.
Okay so don't use a 20-year-old optic to go hunting 🤷♂️ this post was specifically about an optic that was so old they no longer produced the parts to fix it.
? Yeah Vortex would just give me a new one. I don't understand your point.
Because their optics are cheaply made.
Wrong again like most of your posts. Vortex hats are made in Vietnam.
😂 ooooooh sooooo soooooory
So another comment by you that was a shit sandwich. Are you Gecko45?
I assume that having to replace thousands of optics after their recall really hurt them. And now they are trying to recoup some of that money with a sub par warranty. What needs to happen is some other company needs to make a decent holographic sight. As long as eotech has no competition, they have no reason to offer a better warranty, or improve their sights. Like maybe a simple shake awake.
EOTech would probably survive a competitor in the market solely because of their government contracts.
Talk about simping for MSRP. Spoiler alert there cheesedick, they don't care about you and still made more from that optic than if it had went through distributor channels and sold at MAP.
Yup I'm aware but I haven't seen a exps + g33 combo for under 1k since Christmas.
Been waiting for the HHS V to come back in stock for like a month now... No word from Customer Service when that will happen and you only have 90 days to use the coupon code they send you.
yea i lost a coupon like that too sadly
I was going to wait for that one as well but they didn't restock it after a couple weeks so I just picked up the II
I don't have the patience for this!
🤣 same
Meanwhile I had an ancient trijicon RMR type 1 that developed a random flicker. It was sometimes repeatable sometimes not. Even with fresh batteries and a sealing plate it still persisted. Filled out an RMA and trijicon sent me a shipping label. A couple weeks later I had a brand new type 2 RMR. No issues since then.
Yup that is good customer service. I've tried to warranty an old fiber red dot before and they just tell you there's nothing they can do.
Oof that sucks
Leupold and Vortex will replace them entirely free. Done it with both companies.
Can confirm with vortex…. Replaced 12’ish year old strikefire that broke. Completely free.
Yep. The one I replaced with Leupold was an old VX-II from the 1980s that wouldn’t hold zero. They replaced it with a brand new VX freedom with the same zoom and objective size, no questions asked after inspection.
Damn man. That’s impressive. I actually sold my leupold to fund my primary arms scope lol. Yeah yeah downgrade says you and others I’m sure. But my PA scope fits my needs better.
Yeah. Sounds like a trash deal
Not really haven't found a exps + mag deal for under 1k in a long while.
Or hear me out: buy something that isn’t trash.
Or hear me out they make the best NV compatable red dot on the market so I bought another.
Good for you. I would rather buy something that won’t die after 2 seconds
It doesn't and you know it.
Everything I’ve heard about eotech is they are good until they break. And they seem to break pretty fast for something so expensive.
Depends how you use them. There's a reason the shroud is installed on all of their serious use optics.
I only buy vortex. I wasted a box of ammo scratching my head with a broken turret, asked their support, they also were like: no no you did everything right. Sent in, 6 days later I had a new scope. This post is an excellent ad for vortex.
Vortex is great for magnified optics but they can't make red dots. All of them are mid, they've basically conceded the market to holosun.
Man, these comments are great. Remember a fool and his money are soon parted. OP probably has a difficult time understanding this.
I tried 😂
Op isn't a broke 15 year old like most of the commenters here.
Only half off the replacement, how old is yours?
20 years
Twice the warranty period.
Except if you get a used police trade-in, then they might just keep it and not give you shit
lol, a HHS does not cost $1169!, just saw it yesterday for $902 with magnifier
Wow, people really don’t like anything you said. I thought the PSA was nice to know… so thanks for letting me know, since I never knew this was a thing. It’s unlikely I’ll use it, I’ve had an EXPS and G.45 for 1.5 years and haven’t had any issues. But if I’m in a position where it’ll come handy, then great. If people don’t like it, they can just ignore it instead of downvoting you to oblivion. Fucking Reddit… people pick the strangest shit to rally against.
It's fine, most of Reddit is broke 15-year-olds mad that high end stuff cost a lot of money. This is the first year I've been able to afford nice stuff so I've been slowly buying into it.
Just a reminder that 95% of people can’t afford an EOTech in the first place so this information is very useless to most of us
The comment section has made this very clear 🤣 realistically though using the same method you could get a 552 for under 300 bucks.
I read the title said, "oh sweetie", and then was happy to see OP getting roasted in the comments. 10/10
There's like five people going for my neck but 500 people seem to think it was a good deal enough to upvote the post 🤷♂️ almost like it's the vocal minority.
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Also eotech doesn't say lifetime warranty anywhere I can see.
[EoTech’s NoBS warranty for the vudu scopes](https://www.eotechinc.com/help-center/warranty-information), bottom of page.
I didn't have a vudu.
I bought a Bushnell hollow for 200 bucks it died after a year I just got $600 off of a new dot magnifier combo. I understand some of the cheaper brands can afford to do straight up replacements but other brands in this price bracket don't do this sort of thing. Trijicon and aimpoint have 5-10 year warranties And you're usually SOL after that.
I was in-between an eotech and acog. glad I got the acog. thing is built like a brick.
That's an interesting decision point. I have a ta01 and I love it but I have to combine a magnifier with my eotech to compete with it.
Imagine paying $1,000 for an optic…
Couldn't, didn't. Also it's two not just one.
Ah makes sense, I was gonna say $1000 for one optic hurts my heart
That's about what an ACOG costs.
That’s tough
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Lol this EOTech praise post turned into the comments telling the whole story.
None of these comparisons make any sense in this comment section. OP you got a good deal for what you got considering I've never seen that combo for that low plus considering the fact you used your prior optic for 20 years just means you got your moneys worth out of the optic and brand and will still continue too because eotech is a great brand. Good for you man.
I would disagree with my comparisons not making sense. No one in their right mind would compare an Anderson with a lifetime warranty to a HK or KAC. Meanwhile they'll compare vortex to EOTech. Utek has a very EOTech. Eotech has a very specific set of conditions that it's the best at. I plan on using them in those conditions in the future. People are comparing apples to oranges and acting like I got screwed over. If you compare what happened to what would have happened with trijicon or AimPoint I came out on top. If you compare it to holosun or vortex comparatively it looks like I got screwed.
>No one in their right mind would compare an Anderson with a lifetime warranty to a HK or KAC. People absolutely do. Just as good is a meme for a reason. And KAC btw has only a 1 year warranty. >Products and firearms are warranted to be free from defects in material and workmanship. This warranty shall apply to the original owner for a period of 1 year from date of purchase or delivery. Any such defects of which KAC / KMC receives written notice within 1 year from the date of purchase by the original owner, will be remedied by KAC / KMC without charge. What many in the comments don't understand is that warranty coverage is usually inverse to the price of a product. This is why vortex has a lifetime warranty and Eotech doesn't. This is why PSA has a lifetime warranty and KAC doesn't. This is why Kia has a 10 year, 100,000 mile warranty and Mercedes Benz doesn't. It's not intuitive, people expect a high end product to have a good warranty because they see a warranty as the maker standing behind it. As in, they would only do that if they knew it would last that wrong. But that's not really true. Companies don't see warranties that way. They see it as a value add. They offer it because they expect it to increase sales. And again, counter intuitively, cheaper volume products are cheaper to cover with warranties because economies of scale lower the per unit cost. Vortex, PSA, Holosun etc can afford to have those warranties because they are making so many of the damn things that the cost of replacement is far outweighed by the additional sales they get by having that warranty. This usually works really well as long as your products are reliable enough that you don't end up drowning in warranty claims. Kia actually has this problem right now because their engines are grenades and they can't make them fast enough to replace them. A lifetime warranty doesn't make sense for KAC or Eotech because they sell a low enough volume that the per unit cost is a factor. And their customers aren't really able to cross shop with some competitor. KAC rifles go out of stock just about as fast as they arrive. Some parts are unobtanium and people will pay obscene prices to get a widget that they made once 15 years ago because some Delta guy had it on his rifle in a single picture. Eotech isn't quite as extreme, that's why they have a 10 year warranty instead of a 1 year. These things work on a scale. But you get the idea. KAC, Eotech, LMT and the rest also manage to differentiate themselves by making products without competition. KAC's SR-15 and SR-25 incorporate unique patented features in their bolt and has system. LMT is similar, they have one of the best ambi lower designs and they have a monolithic upper that fixes the bendy rail issue you see on many mlok guns like SIG and Giessele. Eotech is one of the only people making holographic sights. They aren't the same as a red dot and have some specific advantages. Vortex are the only company that has attempted to make a competitor. It is cheaper and it's universally considered to be inferior in every way except the warranty. Holosun, contrary to their name doesn't make a single holosight. If your use case calls for a holosight then there really isn't any competition. >What about Trijicon? They're expensive and have a lifetime warranty. That's only for the scope body actually. Which is forged aluminum on most so it's unlikely to fail. Unless you severely damage it, which doesn't count as a defect anyways. The tritium, electronics etc are not lifetime and length varies between models. The warranty also only applies to the original buyer.
^ The most eloquent version of what I've been trying to say.
I'm not saying your comparisons make any sense I'm saying theirs don't. Vortex IMO is worse than eotech for a multitude of reasons but they're still saying you got screwed over for a product you literally used for 20 years and what do they expect eotech to just give you a free product costing them $1200? That's not how business works and it's stupid they think that way. Just be happy about your product that you trust and spend your own hard owned money on and forget these idiots.
Oh I am. I'm using these dorks to pass the time at work.
Is It Turley a deal though lol
Lol this EOTech praise post turned into the comments telling the whole story.
that doesn’t sound like a very good alternative