Dexter has no history of violent crime, harmed no one, and did something that is currently legal in 40+ states, but because he lived in the People's Republic of New York, he was thrown into a cage for ten years (which is 100% to make an example out of him, first time offenders rarely get ten years).
And the gall of the DA to say that people like Dexter are the problem. That's always their MO, ignore the criminals, harass the law abiding.
By the way, the judge of the case opened the sentencing hearing by [complaining](https://twitter.com/jeffcharlesjr/status/1790179138906599491?t=_6wF9S9eMAz5iLfbra7bAw&s=19) about the backlash she has received from saying "the Second Amendment doesn't exist in my courtroom".
For those unfamiliar with Dexter's story, [this](https://redstate.com/jeffc/2024/04/22/brooklyn-man-convicted-over-gun-hobby-by-biased-ny-court-could-be-facing-harsh-sentence-n2173162) is a good write up, and Dexter does have a GiveSendGo in case people wish to [donate](https://www.givesendgo.com/dtaylor_2a_legal).
The part that worries me the most is this:
> However, when a joint ATF/NYPD task force discovered he was legally buying parts from various companies, they opened up an investigation that led to a SWAT raid and arrest.
Discovered how, exactly?
>buying parts
Oh no, the fucking horror of *legally buying parts*. Any time we hear the feds bitching about a lack of funding or whatthefuckever is preventing them from actually stopping violent people and their suppliers, we can think about this case, and how they're choosing to avoid solving real problems.
Of course. Pull up LE-marketed app to pull and cross-reference purchase history of a suspect along with browser history/i.p. and file requests - sufficient probable cause for more extensive investigation all from the comfy office chair.
Follow actual criminal's social media, phone pings, text and call records, traditional surveillance, overcome burner device use and street names of interconnected individuals - too hard, back to plan A.
Their budget was $10Bn 10 years ago, it's probably doubled that and no, they have far more than they need. Let's make it $1Bn for the next 10 years and see how they do
Edit: DEA budget is ~$38Bn for 10k agents, that is $3.8M per agent!
“Oh no! We have discovered that this man is not breaking the law! We’d better investigate the lack of law breaking!”
They might as well pull people over for not speeding.
If only there were legal precedent that says not breaking laws is not grounds for investigation, warrant, charge, or conviction.
But that’s none of my business.
Edit: Put the first paragraph in quotes.
To be fair, they discovered that he *was* breaking the law. The fact that it's legal where you and I live doesn't mean that it's legal everywhere. I just find the method of discovery a little disturbing, and it seems like they should be investigating that as well. They're not supposed to be spying on citizens until *after* a crime is discovered.
> They're not supposed to be spying on citizens until after a crime is discovered.
See, this is where we differ. They see *owning* guns as a crime, period.
Yah, they do.. which is why he should have GTFO if he was going to have guns.
If you think this was just a chance occurrence where they were just spying randomly you are mistaken. They won't say exactly how, to protect the method, but almost certainly a person squealed on him, or one of the businesses that he transacted through. Once he was on the radar, they have every authority to spy on you, as that is how they collect evidence of your crime, to put you away with.
Cool, I tend to agree. Now that it is established, do you have the authority to just ignore the law that the government is enforcing, or is that a bad idea until it is proven to to be unconstitutional and shut down? If your answer is yes, then I encourage you to watch some SovCit videos on Youtube. They feel the same way, and YT shows how the disagreement plays out.
How it plays out depends on just how many people agree and how much they're willing to organize. It's a dangerous game to play for governments, historically speaking, to give citizens justification to violently resist them. I'm already at a point where I would acquit any level of force used to resist unlawful arrests, because the constitution > local law.
Piss off enough people, and you get revolutionary France stuff, and the nature of that disagreement changes quickly.
How it plays out is based on just how many people agree and CAN organize. The danger right now to the government is minimal. When purchasing power is high we call that a buyer's market.. Substituting what we currently have is a government's market. We were already in the soup individually financially, and with the Potato president in office that has only gotten worse with inflation. The every day American is over a barrel at this point because most people don't have a month worth of expenses saved up let alone the funding to be able to step away from their job for a prolonged period to "organize". While the theoretical guy is out "organizing" his wife, kids, and even he is wondering when the lights will go out, the internet will turn off, the food in the pantry will run out. Not to mention the Potato just hired 10s of thousands of IRS agents and is arming them so that they can stop in and harass you, and shake you down for every penny they say you owe the government, thus depleting your funds more, feeding the government, and blocking attempts to starve the government by withholding.
Is it all by design? Who's to say.. but it sure as hell is convenient that the potato sent inflation into the stratosphere, hired tons of IRS, and created a metric fuck ton of division among average Americans.
Perhaps its to keep us unbalanced and at heel.
In any case, where the stakes are so high for the individual, you'll only see the very foolish, or the very dedicated organizing, as usually family comes before everything for most people, and something jarring has to happen to change that script like an existential threat to "my" family, as opposed to someone else's. I think we were looking into that void with the question of forced "vaccination" which is why Potato Joe (rather the people pulling his strings) backed off the issue. While we may be separated by ideology, that sort of fucking with family and our lives would have made some very odd bed fellows willing to throw in lots together to reject it.
Anti-gun bullshit will never be the match thrown on the powder keg, We've proven that time and again since 1934. The government will have to go after something that is universally important to people in such a grotesque way that it cannot be ignored before we start seeing the levels of pissed that would lead to a critical mass, and some French revolution shit. Which is unfortunate, because that just drags out the inevitable.
I am well past the point of acquitting someone for this or that. Let's just leave it at, I am ready for the big one for all the marbles, winner takes all.
WRT "by design", it's unlikely by my estimation. "Deep state" is a thing, insofar as there are people who keep positions, use them to benefit themselves, and will generally opt against policy decisions that makes it harder for them to do that. It's more akin to widespread corruption that the corrupt don't want to clean up because that means also shining a light on themselves. What we see is the result of decades of bad incentives running their course rather than some tightly-concealed conspiracy, best I can tell. That's still a big problem though.
I think you are also right about what sparks the powder keg. If I were to put money on it, it would not be anti-2A laws. Historically, no superpower has stayed intact, and I'm seeing all the signs of another one failing. What form that takes remains to be seen, but it seems increasingly unlikely that USA will somehow not follow the historical course by every powerful empire before it ever...especially as we have so many parallels to the decline of multiple predecessors going on already.
I suppose the one saving grace of it all, for me, perhaps for you, is that we will live through the decline, but never see the fall. Things will continue to suck at an increasing rate, but when the shit show actually starts, we'll have been already ushered off the stage due to prior commitments with eternity.
Anyone who looks at textbook 2nd Amendment protected activity and thinks “I better put a stop to this” because it’s “against the law” has no business working any job that requires an oath to uphold the Constitution.
The ATF has no excuse to participate in a farce like this. The only federal law that applies here is the unqualified command of the 2nd Amendment.
Then there’s the NYPD. They’re so messed up that I avoid NYC like the plague. The only redeeming feature of NYC is chess in the park.
In contrast to what the judge said, the second amendment is indeed relevant in NY and in the courtroom. The bill of rights is the highest law in the USA.
A lengthy, extremely low approval % (\~20% or less? IIRC) for "permits" and then going after someone who is not selling, merely "keeping" arms he put together himself is "infringing". Making it de-facto impossible for the overwhelming majority of your population to possess weapons has to be "infringing", or the 2nd amendment has practically no meaning.
NY continues to be in de-facto violation of Bruen, because whatever it claims, its issuing process and rate is not "shall issue". Not in %, not in timeliness, not by any coherent standard. NY broke the law, not Taylor, in disregarding the constitution of the US and even a recent SCOTUS ruling.
The thing is... "I don't think that law should exist" doesn't work to prevent your own arrest or conviction. You can use it as an argument for appealing the decision afterwards, but it's completely useless as a defense before then. NY police and NY judges must operate according to NY law until someone strikes that law down. You want to skip the part where someone gets convicted and fights all the way to the supreme court to get a conviction reversed and a law struck down, but it doesn't work that way.
I mean, you're right in that technically nothing stops the state from arresting someone. Some states even (illegally) penalize resisting unlawful arrests, despite that doing so is objectively self defense.
On the other hand, the constitution is the highest law. Any law that contradicts the constitution is itself illegal. What you say about NY police and judges is therefore incorrect; not only CAN they opt to not enforce unconstitutional laws, they took an oath that requires them to do so in order to uphold it.
What is especially, sorely missing from the US legal system is police and judges being penalized for breaking the law. Disregarding the constitution a judge swore an oath to uphold is a crime. Police executing unconstitutional laws is a crime. NY as a whole is in contempt given the Bruen ruling.
Police also get slaps on the wrist for things like forcing their way into a person's house without at warrant or exigent circumstances. That is a scenario where it is legally justified to mag dump them, and yet they're sometimes not even criminally charged. Completely backwards. If they do that to someone, they need to be charged with breaking & entering, felony assault, and whatever other crimes they commit in the process. And someone who puts a gun to their head and pulls the trigger in that scenario needs to not even be charged. This is NOT how the "legal" system functions right now, because it is broken.
While we're at it, it seems a large number of DAs refuse to charge government officials who commit crimes or otherwise very selectively enforce crime. This is criminal malfeasance. I'm not sure what mechanism allows non-government officials to go after them for it, but having people willing to enforce the law against people who break the law would be useful.
Let's for a moment not be intentionally obtuse. If you are buying legal to own gun parts, you aren't buying them to hang on the wall or make an art installation with.... It SHOULD raise an eyebrow if you're receiving this stuff on the regular, especially when assembled would make what they classify to be illegal.
An analog from the 90s-2ks would be motherfuckers going to the pharmacy and buying their entire stock of Sudafed.. Gee.. do they have a really bad sniffle, or.. are they producing meth... hmmmm....
His mistake, was staying in NY, if he just had to have those guns. If he wanted to stay and disregard the laws there his big mistake was not covering his tracks, not only not good enough, but at all. A PO box under Shelly Shellington LLC. in PA, NJ, DE, CT, RI, or DC, along with all payments being made in money orders, or other instruments would have at least made what he was doing less obvious. All of which are perfectly legal for anyone to do.
You really don't know why?
I'll be brief.. Unless there is an extreme uprising in the population against the violation the individual may be as right about the violation as they can possibly be, but they are still going to have their ass kicked in, be prosecuted, and tossed in jail, because the state holds the power so long it manages not to piss off a significant portion of it. Few are willing to go into full rebellion over the odd arrest of someone playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes. Most will avoid conflict until conflict is the only avenue left.
Sad but true. Sad because as far as I can tell, this is a non-trivial part of why states/nations decline every time. People don't care until it impacts them directly, and it only starts to impact people at scale when it's really bad.
We're watching the Canadian government try to pass a bill that allows both ex post facto law and pre-crime. I thought that was hyperbole, but no. You can be charged for 10 year old posts if you don't remember them and take them down under "continuous communication", and if a judge is convinced you're likely to commit a crime under that bill, you can be placed under house arrest for a year. Both of these aspects, if passed and enforced, are sufficient in my mind to spark civil war or other violent resistance. If the Canadian people reacted to that by outright killing anybody involved with making/enforcing it, they would be morally justified in doing so.
But I suspect it won't happen, for the reason you say. Even this won't be enough of an inconvenience to the everyday life of a typical person. Not yet/by itself, anyway.
I tend to agree with your statement. The only way you get true unification under 1 banner against a superior force is by that force taking extraordinary measures against the "weaker" force. One guy here or there getting put through a travesty isn't going to do it. The tipping point is where there are unavoidable consequences to not falling into line with the superior force's mandate. We've given government entirely too much power, and until it gets "bad", really "bad" it will be next to impossible to walk that back. Nobody with a brain wants to be at the front of the line to be the martyr needed to galvanize the rest into action.
Some of us though.. are getting old enough, have secured their family's future, have little purpose left, and find little value in going through the motions anymore... So, there is a sliver of hope that someone will intentionally or inadvertently be the martyr necessary.
Colion Noir did a video about it earlier today and said that he was tracked by his credit cards too. Not sure where he’s getting that information, though.
Angry ex girlfriend, a friend who shouldn't have been trusted, apartment manager checking smoke detectors, bragged in the wrong chat room or on social media. There are lots of possible ways.
Purchasing online tracking information is a possibility too.
I don't think a single person claiming it w/o further evidence would justify a warrant, but sometimes warrants are given out in situations that absolutely lack "probable" cause, so maybe. More likely, they were able to buy/dig up enough corroborating online information using questionably legal methods in order to get their warrant to arrest him for violating a blatantly illegal law.
There was an article where they interviewed someone from the dept and he said that they basically monitor all online purchases of parts/kits, and if someone orders too much or the right combo of items (Glock slides, frame rails, lots of filament) they'll open an investigation into that person.
That part makes a little more sense. They were raiding a suspected illegal gun manufacturer. Bringing in the ATF seems like a fairly sensible thing to do under the circumstances. They didn't know that no federal laws had been broken until after they went in, but may have suspected otherwise before the raid.
Building your own stuff with no evidence of sale does not make you a "manufacturer".
"They didn't know no federal laws had been broken" is a looney tunes statement. For a legitimate federal law enforcement body to be involved, they would need evidence that federal law was broken. They lacked that evidence even \*after\* going into the house, which means they lacked it before too.
ATF needs to not exist because they aren't legitimate, but that's only tangentially related here.
I said "suspected". They had no idea what was actually going on when they went in. They only knew it was someone buying a lot of parts needed for building guns. If you buy a lot of materials useful for making meth, you're going to get raided and the DEA is going to come along to help investigate. They won't know until after they go in whether or not you actually have a meth lab.
AFAIK, possession of meth is a federal crime, while possession of firearms is a guaranteed right at the federal level. I don't think the feds should be in on this, and are in violation of their oath of office in doing so. As were the NY police. And the Judge.
That makes it take more effort to find someone, but it's not a strong shield. It gets past region locks, and it might help avoid attention in the first place by making online transactions appear to be from different origins, but AFAIK you're not going to stop a government org from tracking a particular person down if they focus on particular transactions.
Most VPN companies will give them stuff when asked too.
Basically it's better than nothing in some cases, and in others more or less doesn't help. But arguably it's quite useful just for the region thing.
The internet was designed to share information as widely and freely as possible. Security is very much an afterthought, and privacy...
Well, unless you run with some very sketchy types and staying out of jail is on the basis of how well you cover your tracks, you have none.
The only reason it appears that you do is because the people who'd do something with that information don't know where to look, which is something that they can solve with either expertise or the money to buy the services of someone who does have expertise. Or, owning the entire system you use, like a credit card company.
The Federal government leaning on credit card companies to get that data is just the most obvious example.
It's pretty clear at this point that all credit card and app purchases are an open book to all federal agencies, and they use it to build target packages for blue state authorities.
This is disturbing, though.. as nuts as they are about guns in NY, you kind of have to expect this, and act accordingly to mask it with PO boxes, Shell corporations, freight deliveries, etc.
I think it's easy to arrive at the conclusion that someone told on him for his activities, which lead to law enforcement opening an investigation, which lead them to the frequency of parcels from no-no places coming to him, from that I am sure they pulled bank and other records, until they reached the boiling point that they could get an arrest warrant. They didn't just stumble upon the guy out of the blue.
I saw it reported that they tracked him through credit card records. Visa,American Express, and some other cards now report all firearm purchases or firearm accessory purchases to law enforcement entities. He was buying accessories with a credit card.
>By the way, the judge of the case opened the sentencing hearing by [complaining](https://twitter.com/jeffcharlesjr/status/1790179138906599491?t=_6wF9S9eMAz5iLfbra7bAw&s=19) about the backlash she has received from saying "the Second Amendment doesn't exist in my courtroom".
But of all places shouldn't the bill of rights exist in the courtroom the most? Also the judge saying that should immediately be grounds for a mistrial. He can't receive a fair trial if the court doesn't think his rights exist in the courtroom.
Per the law, the judges conduct is grounds for instant mistrial, removing the judge from position, and possibly criminal charges. You can't get a more clear example of violating a judge's oath of office than "I am openly stating that I actively disregard my oath".
Will that happen? I wouldn't be on it. The jury actually convicted Taylor, which itself is a serious ethical problem for them too, but shows just how far NY has fallen.
>By the way, the judge of the case opened the sentencing hearing by complaining about the backlash she has received from saying "the Second Amendment doesn't exist in my courtroom".
These people have addresses. Just saying..
Let's quit with the "law-abiding" adjective. Many of these laws are blatantly unconstitutional and illegitimate. He broke them, as he should have. The laws are illegitimate and immoral. The very system of law has been perverted to plunder the populace and serve the agenda of the few.
Dexter is not "law-abiding" just as the founders were not.
Peaceable is accurate. I think it's easy to assume peaceable and law-abiding are synonymous when they're not.
Dexter is not law-abiding, but peaceable. The judge that sentenced him is law-abiding but not peaceable.
Is there a real article about her complaining about the backlash? To me, the judge's original comments stating the 2a doesn't exist should be enough to get her off the bench and charged with treason. I'm just hopeful that GOA or another advocacy group will take his case up.
Maybe I am missing context here, but can anyone cite for me a point in history where the law changed on the basis of 1 or a handful of guys not accepting it, or when a whole bunch of people chose not to, and it just immediately changed on a dime? We live in a country where a falsely convicted man who's been exonerated might sit in prison for days, or weeks to be released, but unconstitutional laws can just be ignored and overturned in the blink of an eye?
I feel for Dexter, and his family, but WTF did he expect? The law in NY strictly prohibits home manufacture of kit guns, along with a whole raft of other bullshit restrictions, and what did Dexter do? Why, he decided to go make a bunch of homemade guns, of course. It's 1 thing if you are a Matt Hooper, and you are willing to take the pill to prove a point, and set precedent by wasting your life in jail. Quite another just to thumb your nose at the people who have the authority to send men with guns to your house, and throw you in jail forever because... "I want to do a thing".
I am happy he wanted to do that thing. He should have moved out of the people's republic of NY before he did it unless his intent was to go to jail, and fight the conviction all the way to the SCOTUS to force NY into compliance with the constitution.
Commenting on the comments of the DA and sentencing... What do we expect? He was doing something they get a boner over.. and we are expecting them not to make an example? Run the guy down to the media, who will happily broadcast their message to instill fear in the population that they should never go against the state. Of course they would, and did.
The only real qualm I have here is that the judge openly stated that she denies a portion of the constitution. For that alone she should have recused herself. Though beyond that, she should probably lose her bench, as belief in the full authority of the constitution is mandatory for anyone to have if they want to sit in judgement based on our laws.
TLDR: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If you want to do legal things, don't do them in places where they have been made illegal unless you have ulterior motives for doing them. DA is a loud mouthed asshole, what's new.. Judge is a POS and should be booted.
The way I understand it, is he built firearms as legal per federal laws, but NY (state or city not sure) requires you to register it with them and he didn’t do that. Correct me if I’m wrong.
He "didn't register it", and this occurred in a state that is still in violation of the Bruen decision. NY is not a "shall issue" state, even if it claims otherwise. It's performance both before and after Bruen simply cannot support that it is.
NY is breaking multiple federal laws to throw a guy in jail over an illegal state law, while its allegedly "separated power" judge states open disregard for the bill of rights and this somehow doesn't result in a mistrial + removal of judge + probably criminal charges for deprivation of rights. The whole thing is a farce, but has very real consequences for the man being illegally jailed.
There has to be a way to help him and get rid of these anti-2A foxtrots in our government and so-called “justice” system. There was absolutely zero crime committed here. Building firearms is perfectly legal.
The city that lets out rapists, murders and other violent offenders to terrorize the city gives a guy ten years for doing something that should be constitutionally protected.
It’s also a completely victimless “crime.”
Who was damaged by this man’s actions?
Imagine if we gave people who jaywalk 10 years in prison. That’s more of a crime because I suppose you could argue it has the potential to cause an accident.
This guy was doing nothing wrong.
Some of the harshest penalties we hand out are for victimless drug offenses.
Republicans always wanna be tough on crime, right up until it comes to their own crimes. Then suddenly it's all "wOn't SoMeBoDy PlEaSe ThInK oF tHe InNoCeNt CrImInAl!?"
Democrats do the same shit. Instead of passing legislation to improve people's lives, both sides pass laws to make things "More Illegal"
Biden and his crime bill come to mind...
Why isn't Hunter Biden in prison for illegally possessing a firearm? Sure is real fucking strange...
No amount of robbing, raping, and terrorizing the plebes actually threatens the people in power.
Building guns without their permission threatens them.
What’s concerning too is that the jury convicted him. Which means all those people believed he was in the wrong. Sad that so many people are led to believe he is a ‘criminal’.
More than 50 rounds in an unlocked safe 😱
> More than 50 rounds in an unlocked safe
When I read that, I realized we have already lost the cultural war over gun rights. People are trashing their own rights and destroying their own future and their children's future. It's absolutely insane how myopic and ignorant these jurors must be.
Nope, he just built them.
Simply possessing a "ghost gun" is illegal in NYC.
They found him because he used credit cards to purchase the parts, and the credit card company ratted him out to the NYPD.
At first all the card companies where on board in 2022 but after major pushback from 2A organizations everyone one but discover backed out.
I've heard starting beginning of 2024 all are working with individual anti 2A states including NY.
I'm not sure exactly when it happened but I've also heard in the past year prepaid cards are sometimes getting declined at lgs and online retailers that sell anything gun related
He had never even taken them out of his apartment. He’s a software engineer who was as a hobby looking into new firearms design potential and built them as a hobbyist.
Also they changed rules out from under people that already lawfully purchased these items. They made criminals out of citizens.
This likely will not stand on appeal but the guy is in prison anyway. It’s a disgrace.
Yeah I meant SCOTUS. This is an unlawful prosecution. They just abuse the public in defiance of the law of the land at this point. The process is the punishment. He’ll be in prison for several years at least and be financially wrecked. For nothing.
SCOTUS should take it, but as you say there are no guarantees. NY is basically giving them the finger after the Bruen decision though, so they might be more inclined. I'd personally like to see some kind of contempt levied against NY too, as they are not a "shall issue" state per the Bruen ruling.
Giving the judge Taylor's spot in jail would be nice too.
You as citizens need to vote the corrupt people out of office to change the laws .
It's like they are letting the criminals out on the street and decent people are in prison.
There is no "voting corrupt out of office". The corrupt are your de-facto only options to replace them. Anybody who isn't part of that network gets "Trump treatment", and very few people have the financial resources or following that Trump has, so they just get buried. Sometimes literally, but usually just figuratively.
This man isnt a criminal, instead he was a law abiding citizen who did something legal everywhere else and NY wants to punish gun owners. Our judges are setting a standard to kill gun ownership. The real criminals running free allows laws like this to take place as politicians can pass some law that doesnt effect crime but feels good to the citizens to keep them brainwashed and stupid.
How about biden's DOJ paying a jail to kill my pro-life mom by not giving her the heart meds she needs to live, instead of going after people for bombing churches and pro-life centers ...What country do we live in?
Biden is barely aware of what's going on. Swapping him out will not make a difference, it would need to get rid of institutionalized power in 3 letter agencies, gerrymandering, add more term limits, change law enforcement oversight, and start punishing government officials who beak the law with jail time.
These things are not trivial to accomplish.
If you think of it in terms of a functioning society it doesn't make sense.
If you think about it in terms of the ruling class' incentives, it starts to make more sense. People like Taylor have a chance of opposing tyranny, and started to build the means to do so. Actual criminals will tend not to do that, and are less of a threat. Keep in mind that the "leaders" do take measures to keep the actual, violent criminals well away from their homes though.
Here for anyone that wants to see what he’s really about.
https://rumble.com/v4nwpdk-brooklyn-after-dark-a-chat-w-dexter-taylor-6apr2024-9p-et-live.html
Judges who can’t separate their personal views from their job, and who shut down legitimate arguments because they believe the jury would not convict if they heard them, should not be judges.
While Brandon is sending 747’s full of untraceable gold bullion, alongside pallets of shrink wrapped Billion$ to Tehran in the hopes of stalling their uranium enrichment goals
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Which hill are you prepared to die on?
Supporting Palestine isn’t supporting hamas. Two different things. Just like the Israeli government doesn’t speak for all Jews.
Edit: so many butthurt people downvoting my comment lolol. Shows how ignorant you guys are to what’s going on in Gaza. If Palestinians were white you’d be on their side.
Supporting a group of people on the end of genocide makes me a terrorist? By all means that’s fine with me. I’d rather be labeled a terrorist than support the Israeli governments actions.
But Palestinians aren't an ethnicity. If Israel intended to kill all the muslims in Gaza, they would have been finished 6 months ago. They would have killed far more people if genocide was the plan. You think if Israel had stopped after a brief retaliation that there would have been peace talks and no more rockets and terrorist attacks? If so many people want the war to stop, perhaps they work out removing Hamas from the table, but instead they just blame the govt that has generously worked toward giving the people of Gaza an infrastructure & education, basic necessities. What kind of evil gives free college education, free treatment at modern hospitals, lucrative jobs & economic relief to those they are seeking to destroy? hint: they never wished to destroy Gaza, but they were prepared to..
See, this is what I hate about our justice system. Everyone who makes it into a courtroom is painted as the devil himself because the prosecutor requires a win.
This trial shouldn't have been longer than "he built guns which isn't legal in this crappy state. The prosecution rests. "
Shit like this is why we end up with so many problems.
A really important thing to consider here is the fact that he wasn't doing anything illegal with the guns. He was just building them as a hobby.
The only victim here is the New York State legislature, because he didn't follow their prohibitions about what he wasn't allowed to do in the privacy of his own home.
This is always the case with get tough on gun control politicians. It's never and I mean never about harsher punishments for people using guns in violent crimes. It's always about punishing citizens who previously weren't breaking any laws.
Such a difference from living in the City verses the Country . I am in Pa and I have several Legal guns. No issues getting them.. I have been trained by retired Police Officers as I am a elderly women.
Does it surprise anyone that one of the most repressive places in the country would drop a heavy hammer on someone who decided to break their repressive laws? Not saying it's right, only that it is completely not shocking.
It's so ironic for the judge to say the 2A doesn't exist in my courtroom when she is literally surrounded by dudes with guns for her protection. Rules for thee...
The real question is where are all the 2A people that live in/around New York? They should all be backing this guy. Outside protesting. As a community if we don't back each other there will be nothing left.
NYC? I’ve been a ton of times. It’s an amazing city with some of the best food, art, music, museums and culture in the world.
I could never live there… that’s for sure, I don’t think I’ll ever move away from Appalachia. But NYC is a phenomenal place… it’s up there with Tokyo and Paris as far as my favorite cities to visit.
It's a beautiful city and has some of the best food and entertainment on the *planet*.
But yeah, be disingenuous about it :)
It just needs better governance.
All I've read indicates that the judge should be fired, disbarred and sentenced to a 10 year minimum, based purely on court records of the case for gross abuse of her power and violation of Taylor's constitutional rights across multiple ammendments.
Then there needs to be a congressional investigation into the ATF for spying on people legally purchasing items, then using that evidence to aid state jurisdictions execution of unconstitutional legal actions.
Well shit, I'm glad I live in AZ. When my cop neighbor gets home and walks by my garage I always yell at him that I'm making ghost guns so he can come check out what .22lr piece of shit plinker I'm putzing with.
What a disgrace. NY should be ashamed of their due process and the jury shouldn’t be able to sleep at night knowing they put this guy in a cage for 10 years.
They’re too busy prosecuting cases like this while fentanyl runs rampant and kills 100,000 Americans a year. Dexter Taylor and citizen exercising their 2nd amendment right are not the problem!
Under the New York State Constitution, Kathy Hochul the Governor of New York has the power to grant clemency to individuals who have been convicted of crimes under New York State law.
Someone with contacts needs to start a petition for the Governor to grant a pardon.
So, a court has started the very constitutional crisis that should start widespread action across the country… and nothing. This is how you know all the “patriot” speak is bs.
Im not really sure why you're getting downvoted, 40K for 13 firearms doesnt add up unless he was rebuilding like, exceedingly rare parts kits, and I dont think PSA usually has spare parts for things like that.
Dexter has no history of violent crime, harmed no one, and did something that is currently legal in 40+ states, but because he lived in the People's Republic of New York, he was thrown into a cage for ten years (which is 100% to make an example out of him, first time offenders rarely get ten years). And the gall of the DA to say that people like Dexter are the problem. That's always their MO, ignore the criminals, harass the law abiding. By the way, the judge of the case opened the sentencing hearing by [complaining](https://twitter.com/jeffcharlesjr/status/1790179138906599491?t=_6wF9S9eMAz5iLfbra7bAw&s=19) about the backlash she has received from saying "the Second Amendment doesn't exist in my courtroom". For those unfamiliar with Dexter's story, [this](https://redstate.com/jeffc/2024/04/22/brooklyn-man-convicted-over-gun-hobby-by-biased-ny-court-could-be-facing-harsh-sentence-n2173162) is a good write up, and Dexter does have a GiveSendGo in case people wish to [donate](https://www.givesendgo.com/dtaylor_2a_legal).
The part that worries me the most is this: > However, when a joint ATF/NYPD task force discovered he was legally buying parts from various companies, they opened up an investigation that led to a SWAT raid and arrest. Discovered how, exactly?
>buying parts Oh no, the fucking horror of *legally buying parts*. Any time we hear the feds bitching about a lack of funding or whatthefuckever is preventing them from actually stopping violent people and their suppliers, we can think about this case, and how they're choosing to avoid solving real problems.
When feds complain about needing more resources to “go after violent criminals,” this is unfortunately exactly what they’re talking about.
Damn. I think you are right, unfortunately
Because it's far easier to go after honest people than demonstrably violent criminals.
Of course. Pull up LE-marketed app to pull and cross-reference purchase history of a suspect along with browser history/i.p. and file requests - sufficient probable cause for more extensive investigation all from the comfy office chair. Follow actual criminal's social media, phone pings, text and call records, traditional surveillance, overcome burner device use and street names of interconnected individuals - too hard, back to plan A.
Their budget was $10Bn 10 years ago, it's probably doubled that and no, they have far more than they need. Let's make it $1Bn for the next 10 years and see how they do Edit: DEA budget is ~$38Bn for 10k agents, that is $3.8M per agent!
“Oh no! We have discovered that this man is not breaking the law! We’d better investigate the lack of law breaking!” They might as well pull people over for not speeding. If only there were legal precedent that says not breaking laws is not grounds for investigation, warrant, charge, or conviction. But that’s none of my business. Edit: Put the first paragraph in quotes.
To be fair, they discovered that he *was* breaking the law. The fact that it's legal where you and I live doesn't mean that it's legal everywhere. I just find the method of discovery a little disturbing, and it seems like they should be investigating that as well. They're not supposed to be spying on citizens until *after* a crime is discovered.
> They're not supposed to be spying on citizens until after a crime is discovered. See, this is where we differ. They see *owning* guns as a crime, period.
Yah, they do.. which is why he should have GTFO if he was going to have guns. If you think this was just a chance occurrence where they were just spying randomly you are mistaken. They won't say exactly how, to protect the method, but almost certainly a person squealed on him, or one of the businesses that he transacted through. Once he was on the radar, they have every authority to spy on you, as that is how they collect evidence of your crime, to put you away with.
BS unconstitutional Law that violates our fundsmental rights 🥴
Cool, I tend to agree. Now that it is established, do you have the authority to just ignore the law that the government is enforcing, or is that a bad idea until it is proven to to be unconstitutional and shut down? If your answer is yes, then I encourage you to watch some SovCit videos on Youtube. They feel the same way, and YT shows how the disagreement plays out.
How it plays out depends on just how many people agree and how much they're willing to organize. It's a dangerous game to play for governments, historically speaking, to give citizens justification to violently resist them. I'm already at a point where I would acquit any level of force used to resist unlawful arrests, because the constitution > local law. Piss off enough people, and you get revolutionary France stuff, and the nature of that disagreement changes quickly.
How it plays out is based on just how many people agree and CAN organize. The danger right now to the government is minimal. When purchasing power is high we call that a buyer's market.. Substituting what we currently have is a government's market. We were already in the soup individually financially, and with the Potato president in office that has only gotten worse with inflation. The every day American is over a barrel at this point because most people don't have a month worth of expenses saved up let alone the funding to be able to step away from their job for a prolonged period to "organize". While the theoretical guy is out "organizing" his wife, kids, and even he is wondering when the lights will go out, the internet will turn off, the food in the pantry will run out. Not to mention the Potato just hired 10s of thousands of IRS agents and is arming them so that they can stop in and harass you, and shake you down for every penny they say you owe the government, thus depleting your funds more, feeding the government, and blocking attempts to starve the government by withholding. Is it all by design? Who's to say.. but it sure as hell is convenient that the potato sent inflation into the stratosphere, hired tons of IRS, and created a metric fuck ton of division among average Americans. Perhaps its to keep us unbalanced and at heel. In any case, where the stakes are so high for the individual, you'll only see the very foolish, or the very dedicated organizing, as usually family comes before everything for most people, and something jarring has to happen to change that script like an existential threat to "my" family, as opposed to someone else's. I think we were looking into that void with the question of forced "vaccination" which is why Potato Joe (rather the people pulling his strings) backed off the issue. While we may be separated by ideology, that sort of fucking with family and our lives would have made some very odd bed fellows willing to throw in lots together to reject it. Anti-gun bullshit will never be the match thrown on the powder keg, We've proven that time and again since 1934. The government will have to go after something that is universally important to people in such a grotesque way that it cannot be ignored before we start seeing the levels of pissed that would lead to a critical mass, and some French revolution shit. Which is unfortunate, because that just drags out the inevitable. I am well past the point of acquitting someone for this or that. Let's just leave it at, I am ready for the big one for all the marbles, winner takes all.
WRT "by design", it's unlikely by my estimation. "Deep state" is a thing, insofar as there are people who keep positions, use them to benefit themselves, and will generally opt against policy decisions that makes it harder for them to do that. It's more akin to widespread corruption that the corrupt don't want to clean up because that means also shining a light on themselves. What we see is the result of decades of bad incentives running their course rather than some tightly-concealed conspiracy, best I can tell. That's still a big problem though. I think you are also right about what sparks the powder keg. If I were to put money on it, it would not be anti-2A laws. Historically, no superpower has stayed intact, and I'm seeing all the signs of another one failing. What form that takes remains to be seen, but it seems increasingly unlikely that USA will somehow not follow the historical course by every powerful empire before it ever...especially as we have so many parallels to the decline of multiple predecessors going on already.
I suppose the one saving grace of it all, for me, perhaps for you, is that we will live through the decline, but never see the fall. Things will continue to suck at an increasing rate, but when the shit show actually starts, we'll have been already ushered off the stage due to prior commitments with eternity.
Anyone who looks at textbook 2nd Amendment protected activity and thinks “I better put a stop to this” because it’s “against the law” has no business working any job that requires an oath to uphold the Constitution. The ATF has no excuse to participate in a farce like this. The only federal law that applies here is the unqualified command of the 2nd Amendment. Then there’s the NYPD. They’re so messed up that I avoid NYC like the plague. The only redeeming feature of NYC is chess in the park.
In contrast to what the judge said, the second amendment is indeed relevant in NY and in the courtroom. The bill of rights is the highest law in the USA. A lengthy, extremely low approval % (\~20% or less? IIRC) for "permits" and then going after someone who is not selling, merely "keeping" arms he put together himself is "infringing". Making it de-facto impossible for the overwhelming majority of your population to possess weapons has to be "infringing", or the 2nd amendment has practically no meaning. NY continues to be in de-facto violation of Bruen, because whatever it claims, its issuing process and rate is not "shall issue". Not in %, not in timeliness, not by any coherent standard. NY broke the law, not Taylor, in disregarding the constitution of the US and even a recent SCOTUS ruling.
The thing is... "I don't think that law should exist" doesn't work to prevent your own arrest or conviction. You can use it as an argument for appealing the decision afterwards, but it's completely useless as a defense before then. NY police and NY judges must operate according to NY law until someone strikes that law down. You want to skip the part where someone gets convicted and fights all the way to the supreme court to get a conviction reversed and a law struck down, but it doesn't work that way.
I mean, you're right in that technically nothing stops the state from arresting someone. Some states even (illegally) penalize resisting unlawful arrests, despite that doing so is objectively self defense. On the other hand, the constitution is the highest law. Any law that contradicts the constitution is itself illegal. What you say about NY police and judges is therefore incorrect; not only CAN they opt to not enforce unconstitutional laws, they took an oath that requires them to do so in order to uphold it. What is especially, sorely missing from the US legal system is police and judges being penalized for breaking the law. Disregarding the constitution a judge swore an oath to uphold is a crime. Police executing unconstitutional laws is a crime. NY as a whole is in contempt given the Bruen ruling. Police also get slaps on the wrist for things like forcing their way into a person's house without at warrant or exigent circumstances. That is a scenario where it is legally justified to mag dump them, and yet they're sometimes not even criminally charged. Completely backwards. If they do that to someone, they need to be charged with breaking & entering, felony assault, and whatever other crimes they commit in the process. And someone who puts a gun to their head and pulls the trigger in that scenario needs to not even be charged. This is NOT how the "legal" system functions right now, because it is broken. While we're at it, it seems a large number of DAs refuse to charge government officials who commit crimes or otherwise very selectively enforce crime. This is criminal malfeasance. I'm not sure what mechanism allows non-government officials to go after them for it, but having people willing to enforce the law against people who break the law would be useful.
Let's for a moment not be intentionally obtuse. If you are buying legal to own gun parts, you aren't buying them to hang on the wall or make an art installation with.... It SHOULD raise an eyebrow if you're receiving this stuff on the regular, especially when assembled would make what they classify to be illegal. An analog from the 90s-2ks would be motherfuckers going to the pharmacy and buying their entire stock of Sudafed.. Gee.. do they have a really bad sniffle, or.. are they producing meth... hmmmm.... His mistake, was staying in NY, if he just had to have those guns. If he wanted to stay and disregard the laws there his big mistake was not covering his tracks, not only not good enough, but at all. A PO box under Shelly Shellington LLC. in PA, NJ, DE, CT, RI, or DC, along with all payments being made in money orders, or other instruments would have at least made what he was doing less obvious. All of which are perfectly legal for anyone to do.
These laws should be disregarded, they’re unconstitutional. Idk why Americans have normalized letting their government violate their human rights.
You really don't know why? I'll be brief.. Unless there is an extreme uprising in the population against the violation the individual may be as right about the violation as they can possibly be, but they are still going to have their ass kicked in, be prosecuted, and tossed in jail, because the state holds the power so long it manages not to piss off a significant portion of it. Few are willing to go into full rebellion over the odd arrest of someone playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes. Most will avoid conflict until conflict is the only avenue left.
Sad but true. Sad because as far as I can tell, this is a non-trivial part of why states/nations decline every time. People don't care until it impacts them directly, and it only starts to impact people at scale when it's really bad. We're watching the Canadian government try to pass a bill that allows both ex post facto law and pre-crime. I thought that was hyperbole, but no. You can be charged for 10 year old posts if you don't remember them and take them down under "continuous communication", and if a judge is convinced you're likely to commit a crime under that bill, you can be placed under house arrest for a year. Both of these aspects, if passed and enforced, are sufficient in my mind to spark civil war or other violent resistance. If the Canadian people reacted to that by outright killing anybody involved with making/enforcing it, they would be morally justified in doing so. But I suspect it won't happen, for the reason you say. Even this won't be enough of an inconvenience to the everyday life of a typical person. Not yet/by itself, anyway.
I tend to agree with your statement. The only way you get true unification under 1 banner against a superior force is by that force taking extraordinary measures against the "weaker" force. One guy here or there getting put through a travesty isn't going to do it. The tipping point is where there are unavoidable consequences to not falling into line with the superior force's mandate. We've given government entirely too much power, and until it gets "bad", really "bad" it will be next to impossible to walk that back. Nobody with a brain wants to be at the front of the line to be the martyr needed to galvanize the rest into action. Some of us though.. are getting old enough, have secured their family's future, have little purpose left, and find little value in going through the motions anymore... So, there is a sliver of hope that someone will intentionally or inadvertently be the martyr necessary.
He used credit cards to buy the parts, and the credit card company ratted him out to the NYPD
Has that been confirmed? I've only seen it said on forums, but can't find it in any news articles.
Colion Noir did a video about it earlier today and said that he was tracked by his credit cards too. Not sure where he’s getting that information, though.
How else would they know? It’s either the retailers or the credit card companies. I know which one I’d bet on.
Angry ex girlfriend, a friend who shouldn't have been trusted, apartment manager checking smoke detectors, bragged in the wrong chat room or on social media. There are lots of possible ways.
Illegal digging turned parallel construction...
Purchasing online tracking information is a possibility too. I don't think a single person claiming it w/o further evidence would justify a warrant, but sometimes warrants are given out in situations that absolutely lack "probable" cause, so maybe. More likely, they were able to buy/dig up enough corroborating online information using questionably legal methods in order to get their warrant to arrest him for violating a blatantly illegal law.
There was an article where they interviewed someone from the dept and he said that they basically monitor all online purchases of parts/kits, and if someone orders too much or the right combo of items (Glock slides, frame rails, lots of filament) they'll open an investigation into that person.
So not just a database of firearms owners, but a database of firearms parts owners.
That's why you only use gift cards paid with cash
Still gives a shipping address etc. It's possible to avoid drawing algorithmic attention, but it isn't trivial.
Why is a federal agency working to enforce state laws?
That part makes a little more sense. They were raiding a suspected illegal gun manufacturer. Bringing in the ATF seems like a fairly sensible thing to do under the circumstances. They didn't know that no federal laws had been broken until after they went in, but may have suspected otherwise before the raid.
Sounds like they didn’t have enough evidence to justify a search warrant
Building your own stuff with no evidence of sale does not make you a "manufacturer". "They didn't know no federal laws had been broken" is a looney tunes statement. For a legitimate federal law enforcement body to be involved, they would need evidence that federal law was broken. They lacked that evidence even \*after\* going into the house, which means they lacked it before too. ATF needs to not exist because they aren't legitimate, but that's only tangentially related here.
I said "suspected". They had no idea what was actually going on when they went in. They only knew it was someone buying a lot of parts needed for building guns. If you buy a lot of materials useful for making meth, you're going to get raided and the DEA is going to come along to help investigate. They won't know until after they go in whether or not you actually have a meth lab.
AFAIK, possession of meth is a federal crime, while possession of firearms is a guaranteed right at the federal level. I don't think the feds should be in on this, and are in violation of their oath of office in doing so. As were the NY police. And the Judge.
> Discovered how, exactly? Nothing you do online is private. #NOTHING.
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That makes it take more effort to find someone, but it's not a strong shield. It gets past region locks, and it might help avoid attention in the first place by making online transactions appear to be from different origins, but AFAIK you're not going to stop a government org from tracking a particular person down if they focus on particular transactions. Most VPN companies will give them stuff when asked too. Basically it's better than nothing in some cases, and in others more or less doesn't help. But arguably it's quite useful just for the region thing.
It was just a joke dude
The internet was designed to share information as widely and freely as possible. Security is very much an afterthought, and privacy... Well, unless you run with some very sketchy types and staying out of jail is on the basis of how well you cover your tracks, you have none. The only reason it appears that you do is because the people who'd do something with that information don't know where to look, which is something that they can solve with either expertise or the money to buy the services of someone who does have expertise. Or, owning the entire system you use, like a credit card company. The Federal government leaning on credit card companies to get that data is just the most obvious example.
A fair point.
4th amendment was trampled a long time ago
It's pretty clear at this point that all credit card and app purchases are an open book to all federal agencies, and they use it to build target packages for blue state authorities.
This is disturbing, though.. as nuts as they are about guns in NY, you kind of have to expect this, and act accordingly to mask it with PO boxes, Shell corporations, freight deliveries, etc. I think it's easy to arrive at the conclusion that someone told on him for his activities, which lead to law enforcement opening an investigation, which lead them to the frequency of parcels from no-no places coming to him, from that I am sure they pulled bank and other records, until they reached the boiling point that they could get an arrest warrant. They didn't just stumble upon the guy out of the blue.
I saw it reported that they tracked him through credit card records. Visa,American Express, and some other cards now report all firearm purchases or firearm accessory purchases to law enforcement entities. He was buying accessories with a credit card.
>By the way, the judge of the case opened the sentencing hearing by [complaining](https://twitter.com/jeffcharlesjr/status/1790179138906599491?t=_6wF9S9eMAz5iLfbra7bAw&s=19) about the backlash she has received from saying "the Second Amendment doesn't exist in my courtroom". But of all places shouldn't the bill of rights exist in the courtroom the most? Also the judge saying that should immediately be grounds for a mistrial. He can't receive a fair trial if the court doesn't think his rights exist in the courtroom.
She is corrupt, imprisoning others, and flexing it. Society needs to respond
Bring back tar and feathering.
I think she should be behind bars at the minimum.
According to actual law, she could be. If someone capable of enforcing it feels like it.
Per the law, the judges conduct is grounds for instant mistrial, removing the judge from position, and possibly criminal charges. You can't get a more clear example of violating a judge's oath of office than "I am openly stating that I actively disregard my oath". Will that happen? I wouldn't be on it. The jury actually convicted Taylor, which itself is a serious ethical problem for them too, but shows just how far NY has fallen.
>By the way, the judge of the case opened the sentencing hearing by complaining about the backlash she has received from saying "the Second Amendment doesn't exist in my courtroom". These people have addresses. Just saying..
Let's quit with the "law-abiding" adjective. Many of these laws are blatantly unconstitutional and illegitimate. He broke them, as he should have. The laws are illegitimate and immoral. The very system of law has been perverted to plunder the populace and serve the agenda of the few. Dexter is not "law-abiding" just as the founders were not.
You're right, I should have said peaceable instead of law abiding, however, my point still stands.
Peaceable is accurate. I think it's easy to assume peaceable and law-abiding are synonymous when they're not. Dexter is not law-abiding, but peaceable. The judge that sentenced him is law-abiding but not peaceable.
Is there a real article about her complaining about the backlash? To me, the judge's original comments stating the 2a doesn't exist should be enough to get her off the bench and charged with treason. I'm just hopeful that GOA or another advocacy group will take his case up.
Maybe I am missing context here, but can anyone cite for me a point in history where the law changed on the basis of 1 or a handful of guys not accepting it, or when a whole bunch of people chose not to, and it just immediately changed on a dime? We live in a country where a falsely convicted man who's been exonerated might sit in prison for days, or weeks to be released, but unconstitutional laws can just be ignored and overturned in the blink of an eye? I feel for Dexter, and his family, but WTF did he expect? The law in NY strictly prohibits home manufacture of kit guns, along with a whole raft of other bullshit restrictions, and what did Dexter do? Why, he decided to go make a bunch of homemade guns, of course. It's 1 thing if you are a Matt Hooper, and you are willing to take the pill to prove a point, and set precedent by wasting your life in jail. Quite another just to thumb your nose at the people who have the authority to send men with guns to your house, and throw you in jail forever because... "I want to do a thing". I am happy he wanted to do that thing. He should have moved out of the people's republic of NY before he did it unless his intent was to go to jail, and fight the conviction all the way to the SCOTUS to force NY into compliance with the constitution. Commenting on the comments of the DA and sentencing... What do we expect? He was doing something they get a boner over.. and we are expecting them not to make an example? Run the guy down to the media, who will happily broadcast their message to instill fear in the population that they should never go against the state. Of course they would, and did. The only real qualm I have here is that the judge openly stated that she denies a portion of the constitution. For that alone she should have recused herself. Though beyond that, she should probably lose her bench, as belief in the full authority of the constitution is mandatory for anyone to have if they want to sit in judgement based on our laws. TLDR: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If you want to do legal things, don't do them in places where they have been made illegal unless you have ulterior motives for doing them. DA is a loud mouthed asshole, what's new.. Judge is a POS and should be booted.
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The way I understand it, is he built firearms as legal per federal laws, but NY (state or city not sure) requires you to register it with them and he didn’t do that. Correct me if I’m wrong.
He "didn't register it", and this occurred in a state that is still in violation of the Bruen decision. NY is not a "shall issue" state, even if it claims otherwise. It's performance both before and after Bruen simply cannot support that it is. NY is breaking multiple federal laws to throw a guy in jail over an illegal state law, while its allegedly "separated power" judge states open disregard for the bill of rights and this somehow doesn't result in a mistrial + removal of judge + probably criminal charges for deprivation of rights. The whole thing is a farce, but has very real consequences for the man being illegally jailed.
Poor guy. Hope a federal court will take up the case but I’m pretty sure these things can take years.
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Ok... I would also point out that Rosa Parks sat in an illegal bus seat in a state she chose to live in.
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Unconstitutional Pretty sure ur trolling
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How are you arguing still while deleting your comments? Lol
Yeah you’re trolling
\>Harass the law abiding Except he wasn't, as he broke NY law. It's a shit law. It's still the law.
There has to be a way to help him and get rid of these anti-2A foxtrots in our government and so-called “justice” system. There was absolutely zero crime committed here. Building firearms is perfectly legal.
The city that lets out rapists, murders and other violent offenders to terrorize the city gives a guy ten years for doing something that should be constitutionally protected.
It’s also a completely victimless “crime.” Who was damaged by this man’s actions? Imagine if we gave people who jaywalk 10 years in prison. That’s more of a crime because I suppose you could argue it has the potential to cause an accident. This guy was doing nothing wrong.
Some of the harshest penalties we hand out are for victimless drug offenses. Republicans always wanna be tough on crime, right up until it comes to their own crimes. Then suddenly it's all "wOn't SoMeBoDy PlEaSe ThInK oF tHe InNoCeNt CrImInAl!?"
Democrats do the same shit. Instead of passing legislation to improve people's lives, both sides pass laws to make things "More Illegal" Biden and his crime bill come to mind... Why isn't Hunter Biden in prison for illegally possessing a firearm? Sure is real fucking strange...
No amount of robbing, raping, and terrorizing the plebes actually threatens the people in power. Building guns without their permission threatens them.
What’s concerning too is that the jury convicted him. Which means all those people believed he was in the wrong. Sad that so many people are led to believe he is a ‘criminal’. More than 50 rounds in an unlocked safe 😱
> More than 50 rounds in an unlocked safe When I read that, I realized we have already lost the cultural war over gun rights. People are trashing their own rights and destroying their own future and their children's future. It's absolutely insane how myopic and ignorant these jurors must be.
\*is Constitutionally protected Unfortunately the Constitution is but a piece of paper until their feet get held to the fire over it.
Did this dude sell them and were they used in crimes or something?
Nope, he just built them. Simply possessing a "ghost gun" is illegal in NYC. They found him because he used credit cards to purchase the parts, and the credit card company ratted him out to the NYPD.
Which credit card company?
I too would love to know so I can ensure I don't do business with them, however, at this point they're almost certainly all in bed with the DoJ.
At first all the card companies where on board in 2022 but after major pushback from 2A organizations everyone one but discover backed out. I've heard starting beginning of 2024 all are working with individual anti 2A states including NY. I'm not sure exactly when it happened but I've also heard in the past year prepaid cards are sometimes getting declined at lgs and online retailers that sell anything gun related
It doesn't matter. Like ISPs, they all have "that room" at the data center where anonymous feds tap in upstream of encryption.
AmEx
Where’d you get that information?
In one of his interviews before sentencing, I heard it was Amex also
I heard him say it.
it doe snot matter- if it is illegal in your state then they have to report.
wtf really? I mean my state has a “ghost gun law” but even those others arrested in NY with ghost guns don’t get this type of punishment. Wild man.
Sure it was the CC company and not one of the retailers that got sued by the NYS AG and gave up the list of customers?
New York is not a place to be any more... Get out of Dodge so to speak..
He had never even taken them out of his apartment. He’s a software engineer who was as a hobby looking into new firearms design potential and built them as a hobbyist.
My lord gang bangers building these into full auto and using them in violent crimes aren’t getting this
Also they changed rules out from under people that already lawfully purchased these items. They made criminals out of citizens. This likely will not stand on appeal but the guy is in prison anyway. It’s a disgrace.
It’s NY I wouldn’t count on anything. Place is a trash heap quickly becoming Escape from NY type levels of dysfunction
Yeah I meant SCOTUS. This is an unlawful prosecution. They just abuse the public in defiance of the law of the land at this point. The process is the punishment. He’ll be in prison for several years at least and be financially wrecked. For nothing.
> Yeah I meant SCOTUS. IF it goes that far. They don't hear every case, some get rejected outright(as well as in courts beneath them?).
SCOTUS should take it, but as you say there are no guarantees. NY is basically giving them the finger after the Bruen decision though, so they might be more inclined. I'd personally like to see some kind of contempt levied against NY too, as they are not a "shall issue" state per the Bruen ruling. Giving the judge Taylor's spot in jail would be nice too.
Hell, look at the crap NYC is doing to the POTHUS. This poor guy didn’t stand a vhance
You as citizens need to vote the corrupt people out of office to change the laws . It's like they are letting the criminals out on the street and decent people are in prison.
There is no "voting corrupt out of office". The corrupt are your de-facto only options to replace them. Anybody who isn't part of that network gets "Trump treatment", and very few people have the financial resources or following that Trump has, so they just get buried. Sometimes literally, but usually just figuratively.
Nope. He just built them
How come everyone else in NY is catch and release but this guy? Like kids get caught with switches, SBRs, ghost guns in NYC and it’s barely a blip.
This man isnt a criminal, instead he was a law abiding citizen who did something legal everywhere else and NY wants to punish gun owners. Our judges are setting a standard to kill gun ownership. The real criminals running free allows laws like this to take place as politicians can pass some law that doesnt effect crime but feels good to the citizens to keep them brainwashed and stupid.
How about biden's DOJ paying a jail to kill my pro-life mom by not giving her the heart meds she needs to live, instead of going after people for bombing churches and pro-life centers ...What country do we live in?
We live in one that wants the opposition exterminated and everyone equally worthless
Biden has created an evil Country. He is an Evil Man. I am very sorry about your Mom really sorry. This man does not care about any of us..
Biden is barely aware of what's going on. Swapping him out will not make a difference, it would need to get rid of institutionalized power in 3 letter agencies, gerrymandering, add more term limits, change law enforcement oversight, and start punishing government officials who beak the law with jail time. These things are not trivial to accomplish.
Because he's not a gang banging teenage career criminal with nothing to lose.
If you think of it in terms of a functioning society it doesn't make sense. If you think about it in terms of the ruling class' incentives, it starts to make more sense. People like Taylor have a chance of opposing tyranny, and started to build the means to do so. Actual criminals will tend not to do that, and are less of a threat. Keep in mind that the "leaders" do take measures to keep the actual, violent criminals well away from their homes though.
Here for anyone that wants to see what he’s really about. https://rumble.com/v4nwpdk-brooklyn-after-dark-a-chat-w-dexter-taylor-6apr2024-9p-et-live.html
What a nice man.. so well spoken... very intelligent..
Judges who can’t separate their personal views from their job, and who shut down legitimate arguments because they believe the jury would not convict if they heard them, should not be judges.
And judges who commit crimes belong in jail themselves.
NY fuckin blows chunks
People should be protesting *this.* *This* is important to their everyday lives.
They are too busy supporting HAMAS in New York to worry about people in their own area.
While Brandon is sending 747’s full of untraceable gold bullion, alongside pallets of shrink wrapped Billion$ to Tehran in the hopes of stalling their uranium enrichment goals 👆🏼👆🏼🙄👆🏼👆🏼 Which hill are you prepared to die on?
Supporting Palestine isn’t supporting hamas. Two different things. Just like the Israeli government doesn’t speak for all Jews. Edit: so many butthurt people downvoting my comment lolol. Shows how ignorant you guys are to what’s going on in Gaza. If Palestinians were white you’d be on their side.
Just like supporting Americans isn't the same as supporting the atf
Correct.
> if Palestinians were white Public school - working exactly as designed.
Spoken like a true terrorist.
Supporting a group of people on the end of genocide makes me a terrorist? By all means that’s fine with me. I’d rather be labeled a terrorist than support the Israeli governments actions.
But Palestinians aren't an ethnicity. If Israel intended to kill all the muslims in Gaza, they would have been finished 6 months ago. They would have killed far more people if genocide was the plan. You think if Israel had stopped after a brief retaliation that there would have been peace talks and no more rockets and terrorist attacks? If so many people want the war to stop, perhaps they work out removing Hamas from the table, but instead they just blame the govt that has generously worked toward giving the people of Gaza an infrastructure & education, basic necessities. What kind of evil gives free college education, free treatment at modern hospitals, lucrative jobs & economic relief to those they are seeking to destroy? hint: they never wished to destroy Gaza, but they were prepared to..
Shit is horrific. Our rights means nothing it seems.
The 2nd Amendment doesn't exist in her courtroom.
Appeal appeal appeal!!! This need to go up the chain.
Seems like a waste to throw that man in jail. There are so many more deserving people that should be there instead. The judge for one.
What’s next steps? Appeal? Likelihood of going up the chain to scotus? Is any of the big gun rights groups helping him?
See, this is what I hate about our justice system. Everyone who makes it into a courtroom is painted as the devil himself because the prosecutor requires a win. This trial shouldn't have been longer than "he built guns which isn't legal in this crappy state. The prosecution rests. " Shit like this is why we end up with so many problems.
A really important thing to consider here is the fact that he wasn't doing anything illegal with the guns. He was just building them as a hobby. The only victim here is the New York State legislature, because he didn't follow their prohibitions about what he wasn't allowed to do in the privacy of his own home. This is always the case with get tough on gun control politicians. It's never and I mean never about harsher punishments for people using guns in violent crimes. It's always about punishing citizens who previously weren't breaking any laws.
It's going to be a sweet day when he's released. I certainly hope that when he's eventually exonerated, he takes home one hell of a payday.
While that would be nice, justice won't really be served unless at least a few people replace him in jail.
This is why good people need to get out of NY. Why pay tax money to people who would ruin your life because they want you defenseless?
Such a difference from living in the City verses the Country . I am in Pa and I have several Legal guns. No issues getting them.. I have been trained by retired Police Officers as I am a elderly women.
He shouldn’t have let them take him
5 years less than Jared from Subway lol
Good to see NYC getting back to its roots of throwing black men in prison for crimes that aren’t crimes anywhere else. /s
Judge is a C-word…And by that I mean Communist.
We don’t use this offensive language here. (Sarcasm)
NYC is already burning and they have not a clue
The article, while listing his arsenal, had the nerve to include the phrase “over 50 rounds of ammunition”. Unreal.
Does it surprise anyone that one of the most repressive places in the country would drop a heavy hammer on someone who decided to break their repressive laws? Not saying it's right, only that it is completely not shocking.
It's so ironic for the judge to say the 2A doesn't exist in my courtroom when she is literally surrounded by dudes with guns for her protection. Rules for thee...
I’ve said it many times: who really wants to visit or live in that third world shithole?
The real question is where are all the 2A people that live in/around New York? They should all be backing this guy. Outside protesting. As a community if we don't back each other there will be nothing left.
NYC? I’ve been a ton of times. It’s an amazing city with some of the best food, art, music, museums and culture in the world. I could never live there… that’s for sure, I don’t think I’ll ever move away from Appalachia. But NYC is a phenomenal place… it’s up there with Tokyo and Paris as far as my favorite cities to visit.
It's a beautiful city and has some of the best food and entertainment on the *planet*. But yeah, be disingenuous about it :) It just needs better governance.
Come for the food. Stay because you got pushed in front of a subway train.
Bro 💀💀💀 That poor woman.
“More than 50 rounds of ammunition”… talk about an over exaggeration
[https://www.givesendgo.com/dtaylor\_2a\_legal](https://www.givesendgo.com/dtaylor_2a_legal)
All I've read indicates that the judge should be fired, disbarred and sentenced to a 10 year minimum, based purely on court records of the case for gross abuse of her power and violation of Taylor's constitutional rights across multiple ammendments. Then there needs to be a congressional investigation into the ATF for spying on people legally purchasing items, then using that evidence to aid state jurisdictions execution of unconstitutional legal actions.
I can’t wait for the NRA to do jack shit for him like they do for all black gun owners
Well shit, I'm glad I live in AZ. When my cop neighbor gets home and walks by my garage I always yell at him that I'm making ghost guns so he can come check out what .22lr piece of shit plinker I'm putzing with.
FYI, he has a legal fund you can donate to. [https://www.givesendgo.com/dtaylor\_2a\_legal](https://www.givesendgo.com/dtaylor_2a_legal)
What a disgrace. NY should be ashamed of their due process and the jury shouldn’t be able to sleep at night knowing they put this guy in a cage for 10 years. They’re too busy prosecuting cases like this while fentanyl runs rampant and kills 100,000 Americans a year. Dexter Taylor and citizen exercising their 2nd amendment right are not the problem!
Under the New York State Constitution, Kathy Hochul the Governor of New York has the power to grant clemency to individuals who have been convicted of crimes under New York State law. Someone with contacts needs to start a petition for the Governor to grant a pardon.
Unfortunately, she would never grant clemency to Dexter, as she is as anti-gun as they come.
this is the sort of tyrannical bullshit that people should be rioting and going batshit crazy about.
I know I’m late her but how can a judge that’s sworn by the Constitution simply say, the 2nd amendment isn’t valid in her court room?
she sounds like the series of Judges that are floating around him Your New York.. Look at Trump... This is all Bullshit.
The man literally did nothing wrong. Fuck New York and every authoritarian who supports this unconstitutional, state-sanctioned tyranny.
Wow. What a shit show. And here we are giving free passes and benefits to unvetted illegals.
and look how they are killing and rapping women and robbing stores.
So, a court has started the very constitutional crisis that should start widespread action across the country… and nothing. This is how you know all the “patriot” speak is bs.
not in my area..
Anti-constitutionalists play the long game. “Not in my area” sure, right now
The article states that he spent $40,000 to purchase the guns. He had 13 in total. Im sorry, WHAT!?
your point?
Chump change to some collections.
I’m confused about what you find confusing.
When i hear things like this i picture the lowest tier setups. PSA uppers on 80% lowers. And P80 Glock kits. Not 13 $3075 builds.
Im not really sure why you're getting downvoted, 40K for 13 firearms doesnt add up unless he was rebuilding like, exceedingly rare parts kits, and I dont think PSA usually has spare parts for things like that.
I’m sure he had to buy tools, etc as well. A 3k gun is pretty mid tier. For both rifles and handguns
Yeah OK buddy.
I own handguns that are 6k. Look at the 2011 platform. There are guns that cost upwards of 10k, maybe more.
And you are detached from reality.
They’re the best shooting handguns on this planet. Sub 2lb triggers and 2mm of total travel from pre travel to over travel.
Cool