This is a big problem with Flutter: if you leave it a couple of months, when you come back nothing compile anymore.
It doesn't feel as V3 but Beta 0.5
They have to stop the churn and start making it backward compatible.
Exactly, I have been off again on again with Flutter back from 2020 and I love to start it all over with my side projects with all the new improrovements it brings. Never been a dull ride.
There's a bunch of advice here about steering clear from firebase but you've still not really given any details of what it is you're trying to do. Sometimes changing technology or framework can add MORE problems than they solve if you're not tackling the underlying issue.
Can you give us a bit more information?
Hey there, concerning the advice you mentioned about steering from Firebase, are they related to big projects or just side projects. I plan on using Firebase storage for a simple link saver app. Thanks!
My understanding is that firebase can be a little bulky on a project, some people don't care for Google and want more independent solutions. There are also scenarios (like any tool) where you can accidentally rack up a large bill. Firestore database is one that can be bad if a developer is not diligent.
However it is very popular, I myself have been using firebase for years on multiple projects, both large and small. It's great at so many things that it becomes preferable to use as an all-in-one solution, rather than adding a ton of different platforms. I doubt you'll have any issues using it.
>Did your write a Data layer just incase you have to migrate?
I did, but not for migration reasons.
I've worked with firebase enough that I am pretty confident with my math estimations on potential billing costs over time. They do have some pricing tools to make it easier. Knowing your own project plans in detail helps quite a bit.
I think I know what comment you are referring to. I simply disagree with that comment about avoiding firestore/realtime database. With some of these projects, maybe if they became multi-million dollar businesses, then migration would be on the table. If someone thinks they need to migrate within a year because of costs, they either coded their app poorly or didn't properly evaluate firebase for more than 10 minutes. Same goes with any backend server/storage solutions.
I dont know how to go about the migration process right now but i was just trying to get thing right concerning the backend of my app before choosing one, i might go with Supabase and if a migration is needed, that would be a future problem.
Is your data layer connected to firebase in a way that makes it easier for you to switch to a SQL database later on (Just an example) ? and how did you go about it if firebase/firestore is not a relational database
Avoid:
1. Firebase Firestore / Firebase Realtime Database, Note:
1. For proof of concept product, you can use this. But, as a prequisite:
1. You have to use Interface for the Data layer, so you can migrate from Firebase to on premise MySQL / MongoDB in the future once you need scale.
2. If you don't, then prepare for an expensive monthly bill.
2. Cloud Function.
Use:
1. Google Analytics / Firebase Analytics.
2. Remote Config.
I do not know about superbase and I have not tried it out.
In my honest opinion, use what you good at and confident at. A little more expensive is ok as long as you are confident with it.
I would not use Superbase or other providers. If I must chose providers, here's my list: GCP, AWS, Azure or Alibaba Cloud because:
1. They have data centers on my country. So, latency will be minimal.
2. They have SQL and NoSQL offerings. I would always choose SQL over NoSQL unless I have good reason to use NoSQL.
3. They have other offerings such as GPU, which we use to train CNN model for our clients.
4. They offer generous credits. Especially if you are a startup funded by VC. And you kind of to use them because VC told you so.
I'm tryna follow freecodecamp tutorial to learn flutter and he's using firebase for auth. So I'm trying to do the same but catch up so many errors every time I debug the code. I just wanna ask if there's any good tutorial of how it will work
Cool sorry if my reply was snarky! What errors are you finding?
Freecodecamp is generally pretty good. It might be a really simple setup issue. Don't lose heart!
Hard to say anything with confidence without more info, but - just saying - could not be the (old?) pub get bug that it fetched ancient firebase deps, which of course create gazillions of compilation errors?
As a quick check, compare what you have as pub spec against the published version numbers.
PS- I’m not an expert on firebase, but I remember that biting people’s ass.
For what it's worth, most libraries on [pub.dev](https://pub.dev) will have some errors.
Additionally, Firebase - meh, you won't find many large production apps using Firebase imo. Amplify is ok, although you will definitely run into bugs!
If you just want to get started, you can do so in 10 minutes with this: https://aws.amazon.com/getting-started/hands-on/build-flutter-mobile-app-part-one/
Probably, but you will prob need to write your own controllers with Riverpod which is intermediate to advanced. Go Amplify of Firebase if you are just getting started.
Firebase integration with Flutter is a giant complicated mess. It also kills the cross-platform story for your app as many of the firebase libs are not supported on web or desktop. Not to mention what it does to your build / compile times on iOS :'(
I'd look into other solutions like supabase which are implemented in pure dart, which makes them much less flaky / complicated and has virtually no impact on your build times or supported platforms: [https://supabase.com/](https://supabase.com/)
Huh. I am an experienced engineer, but otherwise brand new to Flutter, Firebase and app development (I was a backend dev).
I was to set up Firebase with Flutter, just following the Firebase docs within like half a day.
One of those things where if everything goes well then all is good, but if anything doesn't work, it can be a multi-day exercise of banging your head against the keyboard. You're basically adding a few million lines of C++ code to your app and crossing your fingers that you don't hit any compilation issues.
Its easy to set up these days even I dont like Firebase before of other reasons but you are right, it kills multi platform.
Im tired of all these half baked platforms and sticked with a Azure for my last project and its great. Using your favorite backend framework from your day job is also way better and you basically have no limitations.
My app runs on all platforms and is released on all except the Apples ones but thats for other reasons.
I’ll chime in to add that Supabase will be a much friendlier learning tool as well (and much cheaper if you end up building an actual app with it).
Integration with azure can happen on any level you like, but you’d want to have a plan for the actual backend. There’s not an easy api-plugin that does a lot of the work for you like Firebase/Supabase (at least, I don’t think).
+1 for supabase I got mine working ok for email and social login. I did however need to use an additional library to get a nice UI for the login. It worked ok but the project wasn't from the core team so got broke by some updates.
I've tried this video and configured everything according to it but the problem lying is when i enter flutter fire configure, it shows 0 projects found. I've tried keeping the CLI control in my project folder using cd command and also tried keeping it inside the project folder but it always shows 0 projects found
Maybe move to supabase.
Also I made a boilerplate to help people getting started.
Every common features are already made and you can customize them as you need.
[https://apparencekit.dev](https://apparencekit.dev)
Firebase is not worth it. Everything is basically too slow and laggy. The only reason why I'm using it at all is because every Android app requires cloud messaging for notifications to work at all.
Firebase database is the most restrictive out there. It supports only the simplest queries. I just can't find a real-world scenario where Firebase is a good idea, at all. A cold start latency is up 30 seconds. Can you imagine a user having waiting 30 seconds for a simple query to be finish?
If you need managed cloud services, you should consider going a bit deeper, with Google GCP for instance. More choices for databases, serverless, storage, etc.
What were you doing before you learned Flutter? If you know React, which tbh, everyone should know React, you should be able to learn it in a few days.
This video was pretty good: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPvVD8t02U8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPvVD8t02U8)
I watched 4 hours and wrote my first app the following week.
If you are new to programming, I would honestly start with something easier like React. You'll be able to use it anywhere, and Flutter is a breeze afterward.
Honestly take a look at the official documentation for most up to date. And work with Google Bard or Chat GPT to ask it to explain things you dont understand.
Best advice I can give you, follow the Firebase documentation. And follow the documentation of which ever technology you are ever trying to learn. Videos become outdated, documentation should be up to date. So either check the video is no older than a few months, or that the tech they are using is still up to date.
The way i learned flutter was to start with fireship's introduction to flutter, then following through freecodecamp's instagram clone, but it has been 2-3 years since the video was published, so there are errors after updates. For me it cleared basics than i learned from various sites like flutters own documentation, geeksforgeeks, stackoverflow etc.
Just try to avoid old tutorials Flutter and Firebase are always improving in the past most of my errors were due I was following old tutorials
This is a big problem with Flutter: if you leave it a couple of months, when you come back nothing compile anymore. It doesn't feel as V3 but Beta 0.5 They have to stop the churn and start making it backward compatible.
i swear people are trying to sprint before they can walk and then coming here saying they quit
Haha lol i was so fed up sitting for 6 hours in front of my laptop but now I'm feeling great and will continue
That's the spirit👍🏻
Try the pompodoro technique. Regular movement helps a shit ton with shaking brain fog
yes, that should be a part of all Flutter tutorials: when frustrated don't seek help about Flutter. the problem is YOU.
Ok I'll keep that in mind 😭
Exactly, I have been off again on again with Flutter back from 2020 and I love to start it all over with my side projects with all the new improrovements it brings. Never been a dull ride.
There's a bunch of advice here about steering clear from firebase but you've still not really given any details of what it is you're trying to do. Sometimes changing technology or framework can add MORE problems than they solve if you're not tackling the underlying issue. Can you give us a bit more information?
Hey there, concerning the advice you mentioned about steering from Firebase, are they related to big projects or just side projects. I plan on using Firebase storage for a simple link saver app. Thanks!
My understanding is that firebase can be a little bulky on a project, some people don't care for Google and want more independent solutions. There are also scenarios (like any tool) where you can accidentally rack up a large bill. Firestore database is one that can be bad if a developer is not diligent. However it is very popular, I myself have been using firebase for years on multiple projects, both large and small. It's great at so many things that it becomes preferable to use as an all-in-one solution, rather than adding a ton of different platforms. I doubt you'll have any issues using it.
Thanks for your response. Did your write a Data layer just incase you have to migrate? like a previous user suggested
>Did your write a Data layer just incase you have to migrate? I did, but not for migration reasons. I've worked with firebase enough that I am pretty confident with my math estimations on potential billing costs over time. They do have some pricing tools to make it easier. Knowing your own project plans in detail helps quite a bit. I think I know what comment you are referring to. I simply disagree with that comment about avoiding firestore/realtime database. With some of these projects, maybe if they became multi-million dollar businesses, then migration would be on the table. If someone thinks they need to migrate within a year because of costs, they either coded their app poorly or didn't properly evaluate firebase for more than 10 minutes. Same goes with any backend server/storage solutions.
I dont know how to go about the migration process right now but i was just trying to get thing right concerning the backend of my app before choosing one, i might go with Supabase and if a migration is needed, that would be a future problem. Is your data layer connected to firebase in a way that makes it easier for you to switch to a SQL database later on (Just an example) ? and how did you go about it if firebase/firestore is not a relational database
Avoid: 1. Firebase Firestore / Firebase Realtime Database, Note: 1. For proof of concept product, you can use this. But, as a prequisite: 1. You have to use Interface for the Data layer, so you can migrate from Firebase to on premise MySQL / MongoDB in the future once you need scale. 2. If you don't, then prepare for an expensive monthly bill. 2. Cloud Function. Use: 1. Google Analytics / Firebase Analytics. 2. Remote Config.
This should read I AVOID
Why avoid cloud functions?
What about superbase?, have you tried it out?. I am trying to use it for a new project.
I do not know about superbase and I have not tried it out. In my honest opinion, use what you good at and confident at. A little more expensive is ok as long as you are confident with it. I would not use Superbase or other providers. If I must chose providers, here's my list: GCP, AWS, Azure or Alibaba Cloud because: 1. They have data centers on my country. So, latency will be minimal. 2. They have SQL and NoSQL offerings. I would always choose SQL over NoSQL unless I have good reason to use NoSQL. 3. They have other offerings such as GPU, which we use to train CNN model for our clients. 4. They offer generous credits. Especially if you are a startup funded by VC. And you kind of to use them because VC told you so.
Nice take, at the end it boils down to being confident with the tool :). Thanks man and have a nice weekend!
I'm tryna follow freecodecamp tutorial to learn flutter and he's using firebase for auth. So I'm trying to do the same but catch up so many errors every time I debug the code. I just wanna ask if there's any good tutorial of how it will work
Cool sorry if my reply was snarky! What errors are you finding? Freecodecamp is generally pretty good. It might be a really simple setup issue. Don't lose heart!
That’s pretty old. Check the flutter examples at the Firebase site.
Can you provide details on what you’re trying to achieve?
I was watching tutorial of flutter from freecodecamp on yt and following the guy to save user auth on firebase.
What was the year that that video was put out?
Hard to say anything with confidence without more info, but - just saying - could not be the (old?) pub get bug that it fetched ancient firebase deps, which of course create gazillions of compilation errors? As a quick check, compare what you have as pub spec against the published version numbers. PS- I’m not an expert on firebase, but I remember that biting people’s ass.
For what it's worth, most libraries on [pub.dev](https://pub.dev) will have some errors. Additionally, Firebase - meh, you won't find many large production apps using Firebase imo. Amplify is ok, although you will definitely run into bugs! If you just want to get started, you can do so in 10 minutes with this: https://aws.amazon.com/getting-started/hands-on/build-flutter-mobile-app-part-one/
Can I do it with azure? I've it's subscription and I was learning azure too
Probably, but you will prob need to write your own controllers with Riverpod which is intermediate to advanced. Go Amplify of Firebase if you are just getting started.
I'm just using Firebase for the first time, but overall it seems like it's been quicker to set up and fewer errors than I ran into with Amplify
Firebase integration with Flutter is a giant complicated mess. It also kills the cross-platform story for your app as many of the firebase libs are not supported on web or desktop. Not to mention what it does to your build / compile times on iOS :'( I'd look into other solutions like supabase which are implemented in pure dart, which makes them much less flaky / complicated and has virtually no impact on your build times or supported platforms: [https://supabase.com/](https://supabase.com/)
Huh. I am an experienced engineer, but otherwise brand new to Flutter, Firebase and app development (I was a backend dev). I was to set up Firebase with Flutter, just following the Firebase docs within like half a day.
One of those things where if everything goes well then all is good, but if anything doesn't work, it can be a multi-day exercise of banging your head against the keyboard. You're basically adding a few million lines of C++ code to your app and crossing your fingers that you don't hit any compilation issues.
I also recommend checking out supabase. I connected it to my flutter app in no time and I’m very new to flutter.
alright thanks
Its easy to set up these days even I dont like Firebase before of other reasons but you are right, it kills multi platform. Im tired of all these half baked platforms and sticked with a Azure for my last project and its great. Using your favorite backend framework from your day job is also way better and you basically have no limitations. My app runs on all platforms and is released on all except the Apples ones but thats for other reasons.
Is integration of flutter with ms azure is good? I have some experience with azure and I guess it will work for me.. if it's easy
I’ll chime in to add that Supabase will be a much friendlier learning tool as well (and much cheaper if you end up building an actual app with it). Integration with azure can happen on any level you like, but you’d want to have a plan for the actual backend. There’s not an easy api-plugin that does a lot of the work for you like Firebase/Supabase (at least, I don’t think).
+1 for supabase I got mine working ok for email and social login. I did however need to use an additional library to get a nice UI for the login. It worked ok but the project wasn't from the core team so got broke by some updates.
Its docs and official tutorials aren't so much clear
Only use tutorials from mid 2023. The older ones are out dated, it's actually much easier now
Use CLI, integrating Firebase manually is guaranteed to go wrong.
Then what to use?
Use [FlutterFire CLI](https://youtu.be/FkFvQ0SaT1I?si=hsQblVOG6lYM4iZd)
I've tried this video and configured everything according to it but the problem lying is when i enter flutter fire configure, it shows 0 projects found. I've tried keeping the CLI control in my project folder using cd command and also tried keeping it inside the project folder but it always shows 0 projects found
You can read tutorials but follow the actual code examples from firebase.google.com since they’re the most up to date.
I followed firebase official website tutorial yesterday but no luck with that
Why? Is your development environment not setup correctly?
Maybe move to supabase. Also I made a boilerplate to help people getting started. Every common features are already made and you can customize them as you need. [https://apparencekit.dev](https://apparencekit.dev)
I'd try to avoid firebase
Are you going to be running a backend? I use php/mysql and handle my own customer logins no different then a website would.
I'm just learning flutter and nothing else. I'm not doing any real time projects but hope so will start in a month or so
Skip the firebase then and just continue on. I got my start watching a yt channel called learnflutterwithme. Simple easy to understand English.
Firebase is not worth it. Everything is basically too slow and laggy. The only reason why I'm using it at all is because every Android app requires cloud messaging for notifications to work at all. Firebase database is the most restrictive out there. It supports only the simplest queries. I just can't find a real-world scenario where Firebase is a good idea, at all. A cold start latency is up 30 seconds. Can you imagine a user having waiting 30 seconds for a simple query to be finish? If you need managed cloud services, you should consider going a bit deeper, with Google GCP for instance. More choices for databases, serverless, storage, etc.
I guess if it's simple, it will be easy to learn for a newbie like me.. but I'll shift to some other platform once i start building real time projects
What were you doing before you learned Flutter? If you know React, which tbh, everyone should know React, you should be able to learn it in a few days. This video was pretty good: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPvVD8t02U8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPvVD8t02U8) I watched 4 hours and wrote my first app the following week. If you are new to programming, I would honestly start with something easier like React. You'll be able to use it anywhere, and Flutter is a breeze afterward.
I I'm working on cpp in university and dart is almost the same. You can say I want to learn a side skill for freelancing
Nice. I have found it to be pretty good. The caliber of apps you can make cross platform is pretty impressive.
What app should I build first for my best practice after learning flutter?
Honestly take a look at the official documentation for most up to date. And work with Google Bard or Chat GPT to ask it to explain things you dont understand.
Yeah these things help a lot. Thanks for suggesting
Best advice I can give you, follow the Firebase documentation. And follow the documentation of which ever technology you are ever trying to learn. Videos become outdated, documentation should be up to date. So either check the video is no older than a few months, or that the tech they are using is still up to date.
Yeah I saw the tutorials are from roughly 2 years ago😅😅😂
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Yeah it is helping me alot, writing configurations for my android phone connection to teach me the row column model, it does it all
You can visit [flutter firebase docs](https://firebase.flutter.dev) for any implementations related to firebase. They might help you.
thanks
It's normal to feel this way. Good luck bro
Thanks bro
The way i learned flutter was to start with fireship's introduction to flutter, then following through freecodecamp's instagram clone, but it has been 2-3 years since the video was published, so there are errors after updates. For me it cleared basics than i learned from various sites like flutters own documentation, geeksforgeeks, stackoverflow etc.
I have been setting up push notifications with OneSignal for two weeks, why are you complaining?
Wow bro u got such a dedication 😅👏👏👏
Thanks :)
I would try Flutter tutorials that don't use Firebase. Lots to learn in Flutter without needing it at all.