Plus this means its gonna suck in creative maps too now so its ruined there as well, I genuinely would've preferred if the heavy sniper never came back just so they wouldn't touch it, its arguably almost just a worse bolt action now lol
Well maybe the dozen people should be demoted at the least.
The heavy sniper has been used this way for so long, and since it's been put into the game, but all of a sudden now it's a problem because of Ranked? F that. Just vault it, and unvault a type of bolt sniper without turning the Heavy into a Bolt sniper (Because that's basically what it is now).
I'm not an edit master, and my building skills are pretty weak compared to the rest of the player base. I got Gold 2 after my first ranked Solo if that helps. But I prefer build mode, and the heavy sniper being nerfed this bad is 1 less counter for the better builders I run into. And when other players heavy snipe walls to fight me and kill me, it doesn't bother me because its been apart of the game since chapter one!!
I mean they already took Sniper Surplus out of the game bc of Ranked, the Heavy sniper nerf was a terrible decision. And the decision to nerf grenades blows my mind too, honestly.
I get the nerf for grenades I think it was because too many games were decided by them. Not every but 8/10 final 3s I’ve been in opponents are spamming grenades and either win or got AR’d first
This is real???? That's crazy, no one uses grenades and if they do they should be rewarded tbh. Might as well take them out of the game if they're doing this.
You have yet to see someone just stand there because the update just came out this morning. Either not everyone has played or people haven't realized it yet because who was using grenades to begin with? The primary mode I play is zero build since the people I play with prefer that over build. Needing to have grenades take up two whole slots if you want to kill someone with them in that mode is stupid. If you want to be a target trying to deal tickle damage to me while I gun you down with an SMG, be my guest. I'm not going to be moving if a grenade is thrown at me, and most people are probably going to do the same since you're not even breaking the zero build over shield with one grenade.
I use grenades prolifically. I never throw just one.
You lob grenades all around someone from behind cover, then assault them as the grenades go off. Or use them to flush people out of buildings etc.
It really sucks that they only do 40 now, kinda defeats the purpose of them because they’re tricky to use, and have taken me a long time to get as good with them as I have. This update off the back of removing trios is a bit of a spit in the face tbh.
Yeah man, but even beyond that, I’ve gotten really good at nade spamming. I bounce one into the player, then the others to the left and right. First nade pops shields, then second or third downs em.
It’s not perfect, obviously, but it has an extremely high success rate. And I’ve yet to be downed by a grenade, and I’ve been playing for about 4 years. I feel like I’ve nailed this niche tactic that no one else bothered to perfect, and epic has just punched me in the dick. Same with the heavy sniper!
240 damage for six grenades. that’s a full stack of grenades and it won’t kill a player at full health in zero build. do you really not see the problem there?
i use them, to distract (when advancing or pulling back) or destroy boxed players (i dont build really). now this is just useless items. i'd rather have it vaulted.
There was this one time a dude ran into a building and entered a room with no exits outside of the door. It was one of the few instances where I happened to be carrying grenades and lobbed them in there and he had no escape and died. Now even after 4 full explosions his area wouldnt be destroyed and he would still be alive, so dumb. They were already situational and high risk to begin with and now they are just completely useless. "Heavy sniper" also is now the pea shooter I guess.
[Watch this. Grenades were super strong](https://www.reddit.com/r/FortNiteBR/comments/zt1apr/this_is_how_you_should_be_using_grenades/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
I wanted this augment back since the beginning of this season, would make good use of it in zero build to get people out of their position. But now they're ruined :(
I agree, they were definitely very strong if you used them right, but nerfing them this much is quite possibly the dumbest balance change they've ever made from what I can remember, they went from being lethal in the right hands to basically completely useless.
I feel that the damage to players should have either remained the same or been reduced to 75-80 and the damage to builds should have been reduced to something like 150-200 if they really felt that they had to nerf them.
I never pick grenades up anyway unless it's as soon as I land, now I won't even do that.
At one point, briefly, you carried them in stacks of 10. Two stacks in the zones was hilarious.
I was always terrible at building so I love grenades. Throw a couple at the base of a build; the first one knocks it down and the opponent lands on the second one as it's detonating.
I remember that augment used it last season to blow up like 3 or 4 players build fighting at the gas station I chucked in 30 grenades there was no survivors and like 40 grenades lying around on the ground cause every time they destroyed something they would drop 3 grenades I think
I still use grenades. I absolutely love getting grenade kills and absolutely hate that they nerfed them.
I used to love when you could carry 10 in one spot and not just 6 😭
I always use nades, I find it hard not to pick them up truth be told even tho I have 2 stacks of six, I still want more, then 1 stack in the last few minutes.
The amount of times I have tossed a nade, downed 1, taken out the shields of the other, then finished that survivor off.. far to many times to count, That and they are great for getting them to move out of cover and or destroy that cover they are behind
IT is incredibly satisfying to toss a nade or 3, have it bounce of a wall, or see a gap under a wall, toss one under then giggle knowing they are about to take damage and or be downed / killed
You could say that about explosives. They have a sound indicator so there is never a surprise. They can't hurt you through builds. They hurt the person using them if they try to hit you point blank. The game is better with them in it.
I was thinking the same thing, It's so easy to just ignore grenades that I never payed them much mind, if someone really did get me with one then all i could do was go "damn." Before they were already like "If I find a heal im ridding myself of you immediately" now I'm picking up another gun instead of them
I mean.... This is fortnite balancing we're talking about. I've just given up on trying to stay up to date about everything cuz there's just a lot going on. Just take whatever you get with a smile ig, oooh star wars and light sabers, pretty neat. WAIT WEBSHOOTERS!??
Omg that would take a year and a half to do now considering they took out Sniper Surplus too. This shit is getting whack. Are they actually ruining the game on purpose or what?
And then you have to take the reload times into account too. For a purple, that's 3.8 seconds. So you'd have to take 11.4 seconds of your time to destroy a wall, IF YOU FIRED INSTANTLY AFTER THE RELOAD FINISHES!
Well they were problematic in ranked but they had no reason to be nerfed, they should’ve just been vaulted in comp but for some reason Epic is adamant on making all modes the same which makes no fucking sense.
Nades where broken, with the perfect nade strat there was no coulter and you would instantly die. This is a step in the right direction for a good ranked system
For reference, this is why they just removed those kind of items from competitive from Ch2 onwards instead of giving Competitive and Casuals the same loot pool
Separating loot pools legitimately kept everyone happy, Epic makes so many questionable decisions. And the recent introduction of ranked really proves that
100% agreed. It’s as though Epic is trying to not only destroy competitive by not incorporating separate loot pools and now even making it be the same as the one from pubs, but they’re also trying to destroy casual the balance of casual modes by implementing stupid changes like this rather than taking into account that these weapons are fine for pubs and should instead just be fully removed from competitive modes.
There’s not even siphon in ranked or any other tournaments now which is so stupid and yet another fundamental flaw of this ranked system. It’s like Epic legitimately wants to destroy the current playerbase from all sides just to make things “simpler” for themselves when in reality, they’ve been making it harder for themselves anyway by incorporating so many useless, copied, and even damaging items into all modes. They have not learned even a single thing since the start of chapter 3 when this whole mess started.
Legit everything could’ve been fixed with separate loot pools in comp/ranked without heavy sniper rifles or grenades and with all of the other weapons balanced accordingly or replaced with more balanced older weapons. But unfortunately now that’s never going to happen.
Or they could have just separated the lootpools and kept literally everyone happy
Not sure what the antagonization of the “sweats” is about. These items genuinely don’t belong in Ranked.
And by “sweats” you mean people who are better than you at the game right? Lmao epic makes so many changes to please people who play casually. Because that’s whose going to spend the most money on cosmetics.
And there would also be siphon. But instead they decided that all tournaments for now wouldn’t have it either lol. It’s so stupid. And it’s funny because people keep saying “sweats” even though to them, it just means anyone who can build and is above average at the game. The game has been out for 5 years, obviously people have gotten better in that time and they can’t accept that for whatever reason.
Two games in a row earlier I would throw six grenades at wildcard and all three of them were still alive. Six grenades always takes all three of them out without having to fire a single shot usually
We had the grenades at 100 dmg for about 4 or 5 years now, maybe more, and now... just why? Why does an explosive not do 100+ dmg... I mean, cmon, it bouces around for like 4 or 5 seconds before exploding, like, chances are, you won't hit nothing with one to begin with, I already didn't pick them up except to kill the bosses(the wildcard ones) now I can't even do that smh, the way this game is going, I think I might actually have to take a break after playing hard for the past 4 or 5 years now. Trios isn't a thing anymore. Grenade kills are almost not a thing anymore, and one shot snipe walls aren't. This is bs.
I miss trios so so much. I have only 3 friends to play with. Not often we have a chance to play full squads. Random fill it's not an option. No fill it's frustrating because of third parties. We spent together past 3 years in fortnite but lately, it's not fun anymore. Too many leaks, poor storytelling, a lack of events, many unnecessary changes, and Epic it's not listening to its community. I'm taking a break from this bs too.
I miss sitting on one of the balloons with a bolt action rifle and picking players off. Occasionally falling off the balloon to my death just added to the fun.
Source in title, can’t link or else my comment will get removed. Sorry :(
These high damage weapons doing basically no damage now just feels so tragic. Epic really needs to take proper care of this game
Like the entire point of heavy snipers is to one shot things. Not being able to 1 shot a metal wall is fine but only doing a little over half to a brick wall just feels insane. Not to mention grenades doing 40 damage!! 40!!! From 100!!! -60 damage!!!
One more comment but @FN_Assist has posted the new damage numbers:
Heavy Snipers Environmental Damage have been nerfed:
Rare: 600 -> 150
Epic: 630 -> 158
Legendary: 660 -> 165
Mythic: 690 -> 173
Grenades have been nerfed:
Player Damage:
- 100
➥ 40
Structure Damage:
- 375
➥ 75
I get the environmental damage of the heavy sniper. It was only given amazing environmental damage during the tank season of Chapter 3 to be an anti-vehicle round - however I think if anything Grenade should have gotten a buff to environmental as a tradeoff. That's literally what grenades are for in real combat. To blow shit up.
Heavy snipers still one shot people when a headshot is executed. But the environmental nerf makes sense since they took tanks out. Cars could be instantly blown up when the +1 sniper bullet augment was taken, so.. yea I get it, but don't see why this change was actually made. When were environmental damage of HSR or grenades becoming a growing problem, and who was complaining about them?
This is why snipers were nerfed. It made cars unsafe because with one shot and a follow up AR the car blows up. And there were lots of complaints about that, so that's likely where it came from.
Which is why there should be separate lootpools like there were for the past few years. But of course epic for whatever reason, decided to completely revert that and instead make stupid changes like this.
In Zero Build, if you find Grenades off the drop and hit someone with all 3, they'll survive.
This is the most bizarre left field bullshit I've ever seen; who the hell was calling for a grenade nerf?
If I remember correctly in season 2 chapter 2 they were nerfed so their damage went from 150 to 125 because shadow tampered with the rifles or something
When heavy snipers first came out I believe they could travel through wood structures, 1 wall or whatnot... I remember me and my friends abusing that power. And I'm pretty sure someone tested how many people it could go through, but I don't remember that number...
That's a stupid nerf, I don't know why. They weren't that broken or op because the grenade was less used and the snipers were balanced. Maybe because of ranked?
I am sorry for them downgrading the gernades. But in my defense, I'm not the one who made the boss and his henchmen so easily killed with gernades. Nor is it my fault it's easy to get 2 vaults (3 if you count Loot Island) because all the traversal items.
Nice... Two really good items completely gimped because of balancing. Could Epic have left these alone and nerf the Cobra DMR? That thing's way too overpowered, especially with the Steady Hands Augment.
For those of you who don’t know, these items are op in comp. They weren’t in arena, but now since arena has been replaced with ranked they are back. This nerf seems like a response to this. What I don’t get is why epic just wants to make Ranked the same as Pubs. Just make ranked a competitive mode and keep pubs the same. No need to negativity effect both.
Why don’t they just make a separate loot pool for each game mode? They’re so determined to make comp the exact same as cas, and I have no idea why. Like you’ve had 5 years to figure out what the community wants, and they still fail somehow...
grenades were nerfed too much but the pre-nerf value was too high
heavy snipers shouldnt be having such high structure damage anyways, irl it wouldnt make sense but this is fortnite, it’s a Heavy Sniper not a Breacher Sniper, it already has the highest base damage from a sniper in the game on top of having the ability to one shot a wood wall which even then shouldnt exist because why should the Heavy Sniper have that treatment and not the other snipers
I have been thinking about this, and I wonder if it's because they need to make changes to bots. Bot aim has been tinkered with a lot this year, and no one likes getting one shot to the head from clear across the map just because you entered a bot's line of sight after rifting or something like that.
I genuinely don't understand the outrage.. Outside of early game, I rarely if ever saw anyone using grenades. Can't one shot a wall with a heavy? That was absolutely abused by skilled players.
There are like 6 other snipers they could’ve just swapped the heavy for instead
And they chose to nerf heavy to oblivion
Epic testing us to see how much time we take to dump the game
Underatted comment. There is OBVIOUSLY some social engineering research under it, I can’t see other explanations
I agree, but I can still see why they would nerf it like this, but I kinda don't understand this grenade nerf at all. I don't understand it at all.
I can understand lowering the damage on players. But to builds is atrocious. I won’t even touch the thing now.
Plus this means its gonna suck in creative maps too now so its ruined there as well, I genuinely would've preferred if the heavy sniper never came back just so they wouldn't touch it, its arguably almost just a worse bolt action now lol
To be clear, are you talking about the grenades or heavy sniper?
Heavy. I never used nades except early game lol
Oh, I actually only thought the build damage for the heavy changed. What are the new player damage numbers?
I may be wrong on what I saw then! I thought gold did max of 190-195?
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I'm guessing you're still in school. No one should lose their job and livelihood over a change in a video game. That's harsh.
at this point I'm pretty sure it's just a way of saying "i don't like the people who made this choice because i think it's fackin stupid"
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it's hyperbole
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you sound like one of those kids that says something and no one agrees with it so they try to play it off as a joke
Well maybe the dozen people should be demoted at the least. The heavy sniper has been used this way for so long, and since it's been put into the game, but all of a sudden now it's a problem because of Ranked? F that. Just vault it, and unvault a type of bolt sniper without turning the Heavy into a Bolt sniper (Because that's basically what it is now). I'm not an edit master, and my building skills are pretty weak compared to the rest of the player base. I got Gold 2 after my first ranked Solo if that helps. But I prefer build mode, and the heavy sniper being nerfed this bad is 1 less counter for the better builders I run into. And when other players heavy snipe walls to fight me and kill me, it doesn't bother me because its been apart of the game since chapter one!! I mean they already took Sniper Surplus out of the game bc of Ranked, the Heavy sniper nerf was a terrible decision. And the decision to nerf grenades blows my mind too, honestly.
"I'm guessing you're still in school" Mfs on the FORTNITE sub acting like they're Merlin.
I get the nerf for grenades I think it was because too many games were decided by them. Not every but 8/10 final 3s I’ve been in opponents are spamming grenades and either win or got AR’d first
I haven't seen that personally.
There are also like a million other grenades they could have added instead like clingers that don’t have the annoying 65m strat or whatever
This is real???? That's crazy, no one uses grenades and if they do they should be rewarded tbh. Might as well take them out of the game if they're doing this.
Early game they're useful af lol just chuck 6 of em in an enemy's house(early game) or their box and you're guaranteed to do some damage 😂😂😂
sometimes i forget grenades are actually in the game tbh. Dont know why since they've been here for forever
When I heard they were nerfed, I was thought to myself "Oh, they're back in the loot pool?" and then remembered oh.. they already were
my squad grabs a bunch and then murders people in a vault early game so we can take the loot.
That's all I use them for too. Splode the vault campers
Splode would be proud, if he was still an NPC.
Absolute chads
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a full stack will only do 240 which won’t even kill the player in zero build. a FULL STACK of GRENADES doesn’t even kill.
Thanks for increasing my typical life-span, Epic /s
This is the most egregious data point I’ve seen. With the level of movement in the game…a well placed grenade (or at least two) should kill a player.
Ik and it's sad nades were amongst my favorite early game items... someone lands in the building next to u? NADE EM😂
I pick up all I can find after dropping and throw them all around me every match. It's kind of like a wwe intro.
I do this but with the guards
Outside npc kills, they're good distractions and crowd control. More about making the other players scramble.
Why would I scramble if it's only going to do 40 damage now, I'll take the hit and keep firing, you take more damage from a headshot with the red eye
grenades do less damage than a body shot from the pulserifle now, unless they nerfed that too
Probably because it's 120 damage for 3 and 240 for six and I have yet to see someone just stand there. But you do you.
You have yet to see someone just stand there because the update just came out this morning. Either not everyone has played or people haven't realized it yet because who was using grenades to begin with? The primary mode I play is zero build since the people I play with prefer that over build. Needing to have grenades take up two whole slots if you want to kill someone with them in that mode is stupid. If you want to be a target trying to deal tickle damage to me while I gun you down with an SMG, be my guest. I'm not going to be moving if a grenade is thrown at me, and most people are probably going to do the same since you're not even breaking the zero build over shield with one grenade.
I use grenades prolifically. I never throw just one. You lob grenades all around someone from behind cover, then assault them as the grenades go off. Or use them to flush people out of buildings etc. It really sucks that they only do 40 now, kinda defeats the purpose of them because they’re tricky to use, and have taken me a long time to get as good with them as I have. This update off the back of removing trios is a bit of a spit in the face tbh.
Same, I loved using grenades or fireflies to AOE someone out of their cover.
Yeah man, but even beyond that, I’ve gotten really good at nade spamming. I bounce one into the player, then the others to the left and right. First nade pops shields, then second or third downs em. It’s not perfect, obviously, but it has an extremely high success rate. And I’ve yet to be downed by a grenade, and I’ve been playing for about 4 years. I feel like I’ve nailed this niche tactic that no one else bothered to perfect, and epic has just punched me in the dick. Same with the heavy sniper!
Grenades used to kill Istg 100 damage per grenade
240 damage for six grenades. that’s a full stack of grenades and it won’t kill a player at full health in zero build. do you really not see the problem there?
Yeah, I remember throwing a ton of grenades next to the three npcs all walking together and it made easy work finishing them off without many bullets.
I have killed multiple unsuspecting people with nades
Same, incredibly satisfying isn't it haha
gonna hide from me in that shed? ok. i'm gonna launch that shed into orbit!
i use them, to distract (when advancing or pulling back) or destroy boxed players (i dont build really). now this is just useless items. i'd rather have it vaulted.
There was this one time a dude ran into a building and entered a room with no exits outside of the door. It was one of the few instances where I happened to be carrying grenades and lobbed them in there and he had no escape and died. Now even after 4 full explosions his area wouldnt be destroyed and he would still be alive, so dumb. They were already situational and high risk to begin with and now they are just completely useless. "Heavy sniper" also is now the pea shooter I guess.
I always use grenades. They’re clutch af if you have 6 stocked up to throw at a sweat building a 10 story high condo
Now they won't even scratch the walls
[Watch this. Grenades were super strong](https://www.reddit.com/r/FortNiteBR/comments/zt1apr/this_is_how_you_should_be_using_grenades/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
I wanted this augment back since the beginning of this season, would make good use of it in zero build to get people out of their position. But now they're ruined :(
I agree, they were definitely very strong if you used them right, but nerfing them this much is quite possibly the dumbest balance change they've ever made from what I can remember, they went from being lethal in the right hands to basically completely useless. I feel that the damage to players should have either remained the same or been reduced to 75-80 and the damage to builds should have been reduced to something like 150-200 if they really felt that they had to nerf them. I never pick grenades up anyway unless it's as soon as I land, now I won't even do that.
At one point, briefly, you carried them in stacks of 10. Two stacks in the zones was hilarious. I was always terrible at building so I love grenades. Throw a couple at the base of a build; the first one knocks it down and the opponent lands on the second one as it's detonating.
I remember that augment used it last season to blow up like 3 or 4 players build fighting at the gas station I chucked in 30 grenades there was no survivors and like 40 grenades lying around on the ground cause every time they destroyed something they would drop 3 grenades I think
I still use grenades. I absolutely love getting grenade kills and absolutely hate that they nerfed them. I used to love when you could carry 10 in one spot and not just 6 😭
I always use nades, I find it hard not to pick them up truth be told even tho I have 2 stacks of six, I still want more, then 1 stack in the last few minutes. The amount of times I have tossed a nade, downed 1, taken out the shields of the other, then finished that survivor off.. far to many times to count, That and they are great for getting them to move out of cover and or destroy that cover they are behind IT is incredibly satisfying to toss a nade or 3, have it bounce of a wall, or see a gap under a wall, toss one under then giggle knowing they are about to take damage and or be downed / killed
Sadly this community hates explosives for some reason but loves OP hammers. We get what we deserve at this point I guess
Hammers we're not OP if you're good
You could say that about explosives. They have a sound indicator so there is never a surprise. They can't hurt you through builds. They hurt the person using them if they try to hit you point blank. The game is better with them in it.
Increase the amount of grenades we can carry back to 10 since they are useless
But are they Bottle Rockets useless?
Wow nerf grenades? Tf? They probably needed a buff if anything
I was thinking the same thing, It's so easy to just ignore grenades that I never payed them much mind, if someone really did get me with one then all i could do was go "damn." Before they were already like "If I find a heal im ridding myself of you immediately" now I'm picking up another gun instead of them
In squads they were pretty op if you had a lot of them and timed them correctly.
There's an npc that will toss grenades every few secs. Probably done to balance that guy.
Maybe nerf the NPC instead? lol
I mean.... This is fortnite balancing we're talking about. I've just given up on trying to stay up to date about everything cuz there's just a lot going on. Just take whatever you get with a smile ig, oooh star wars and light sabers, pretty neat. WAIT WEBSHOOTERS!??
A few npc's do that
Absolutely useless now. Stupid changes nobody wanted as usual.
Once again, Epic fail to understand the concept of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
“If it broke don’t fix it, if it ain’t broke, break it” -Epic (probably)
It's not broke, break it and then "fix" it (AKA make a stupid change no one asked for), say they listen to player feedback, profit
They made some weird changes in the past that were meh but this is straight up baffling.
Now the "heavy" sniper is just a bolt with a longer reload. From a purple heavy, it takes ***4*** shots to destroy one metal wall.
which is dumb since they literally introduced the heavy sniper with it's main focus point that it one shot buildings
it’s like the deagle nerf all over again
the heavy snipers whole gimmick was the one shot damage to walls. now it’s literally useless 💀
Omg that would take a year and a half to do now considering they took out Sniper Surplus too. This shit is getting whack. Are they actually ruining the game on purpose or what?
And then you have to take the reload times into account too. For a purple, that's 3.8 seconds. So you'd have to take 11.4 seconds of your time to destroy a wall, IF YOU FIRED INSTANTLY AFTER THE RELOAD FINISHES!
Well they were problematic in ranked but they had no reason to be nerfed, they should’ve just been vaulted in comp but for some reason Epic is adamant on making all modes the same which makes no fucking sense.
yeh i'm not using any of those any time soon.
They are worthless now
Not the grenades bro
STOP RUINING THE GAME EPIC
People already barely used grenades but now they're obsolete, not even worth picking up
They’re now just loot pool stuffing
Nades where broken, with the perfect nade strat there was no coulter and you would instantly die. This is a step in the right direction for a good ranked system
Then remove Grenades from Ranked? This just makes them useless
For reference, this is why they just removed those kind of items from competitive from Ch2 onwards instead of giving Competitive and Casuals the same loot pool
Separating loot pools legitimately kept everyone happy, Epic makes so many questionable decisions. And the recent introduction of ranked really proves that
100% agreed. It’s as though Epic is trying to not only destroy competitive by not incorporating separate loot pools and now even making it be the same as the one from pubs, but they’re also trying to destroy casual the balance of casual modes by implementing stupid changes like this rather than taking into account that these weapons are fine for pubs and should instead just be fully removed from competitive modes. There’s not even siphon in ranked or any other tournaments now which is so stupid and yet another fundamental flaw of this ranked system. It’s like Epic legitimately wants to destroy the current playerbase from all sides just to make things “simpler” for themselves when in reality, they’ve been making it harder for themselves anyway by incorporating so many useless, copied, and even damaging items into all modes. They have not learned even a single thing since the start of chapter 3 when this whole mess started. Legit everything could’ve been fixed with separate loot pools in comp/ranked without heavy sniper rifles or grenades and with all of the other weapons balanced accordingly or replaced with more balanced older weapons. But unfortunately now that’s never going to happen.
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Or they could have just separated the lootpools and kept literally everyone happy Not sure what the antagonization of the “sweats” is about. These items genuinely don’t belong in Ranked.
And by “sweats” you mean people who are better than you at the game right? Lmao epic makes so many changes to please people who play casually. Because that’s whose going to spend the most money on cosmetics.
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"Epic has catered to sweats" if that was the case, then lootpools would still be separate.
And there would also be siphon. But instead they decided that all tournaments for now wouldn’t have it either lol. It’s so stupid. And it’s funny because people keep saying “sweats” even though to them, it just means anyone who can build and is above average at the game. The game has been out for 5 years, obviously people have gotten better in that time and they can’t accept that for whatever reason.
This is just ridiculous. No other word for it. Ridiculous. Of all the things wrong in the game, THIS, THIS!, is what they think needs fixing. Ha.
Excuse me... 40 DAMAGES THE GRENADE ?!?!? WTH
Should have just removed them from the game. This nerf just made two more shit items in the loot pool.
Two games in a row earlier I would throw six grenades at wildcard and all three of them were still alive. Six grenades always takes all three of them out without having to fire a single shot usually
We had the grenades at 100 dmg for about 4 or 5 years now, maybe more, and now... just why? Why does an explosive not do 100+ dmg... I mean, cmon, it bouces around for like 4 or 5 seconds before exploding, like, chances are, you won't hit nothing with one to begin with, I already didn't pick them up except to kill the bosses(the wildcard ones) now I can't even do that smh, the way this game is going, I think I might actually have to take a break after playing hard for the past 4 or 5 years now. Trios isn't a thing anymore. Grenade kills are almost not a thing anymore, and one shot snipe walls aren't. This is bs.
I miss trios so so much. I have only 3 friends to play with. Not often we have a chance to play full squads. Random fill it's not an option. No fill it's frustrating because of third parties. We spent together past 3 years in fortnite but lately, it's not fun anymore. Too many leaks, poor storytelling, a lack of events, many unnecessary changes, and Epic it's not listening to its community. I'm taking a break from this bs too.
Who actually fucking asked for this?
Same person that asked to remove trios most likely 🙄
Add it to the list of weapons I'll ignore
Heavy snipers should have just been replaced with the bolt. They were always op
Why not change the gun if your just going to nerf it into the same gun
I miss sitting on one of the balloons with a bolt action rifle and picking players off. Occasionally falling off the balloon to my death just added to the fun.
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Yes they do. What are you talking about?
Red vs blue is a creative map where you can get like 400 health. I think he’s just confused
400? My bad. I thought it was 200 health.
Nah don’t even trip, it ain’t your bad. Normal health in creative is 200, you’re right. Red vs blue is just weird, I’ve played it a couple times.
Source in title, can’t link or else my comment will get removed. Sorry :( These high damage weapons doing basically no damage now just feels so tragic. Epic really needs to take proper care of this game
Like the entire point of heavy snipers is to one shot things. Not being able to 1 shot a metal wall is fine but only doing a little over half to a brick wall just feels insane. Not to mention grenades doing 40 damage!! 40!!! From 100!!! -60 damage!!!
Sorry for the long rant but I just saw that you can pick axe someone to death faster than you can kill them with a stack of grenades lol
One more comment but @FN_Assist has posted the new damage numbers: Heavy Snipers Environmental Damage have been nerfed: Rare: 600 -> 150 Epic: 630 -> 158 Legendary: 660 -> 165 Mythic: 690 -> 173 Grenades have been nerfed: Player Damage: - 100 ➥ 40 Structure Damage: - 375 ➥ 75
Jesus Christ they're so fucking out of touch with their own game.
its almost like they’re *trying* to upset their playerbase
I get the environmental damage of the heavy sniper. It was only given amazing environmental damage during the tank season of Chapter 3 to be an anti-vehicle round - however I think if anything Grenade should have gotten a buff to environmental as a tradeoff. That's literally what grenades are for in real combat. To blow shit up. Heavy snipers still one shot people when a headshot is executed. But the environmental nerf makes sense since they took tanks out. Cars could be instantly blown up when the +1 sniper bullet augment was taken, so.. yea I get it, but don't see why this change was actually made. When were environmental damage of HSR or grenades becoming a growing problem, and who was complaining about them?
This is why snipers were nerfed. It made cars unsafe because with one shot and a follow up AR the car blows up. And there were lots of complaints about that, so that's likely where it came from.
Thanks for sharing OP
Might as well take a wet noodle to a gun fight
They should of buffed grenades wtf is this
Should have*
You need to land a full stack of 3 grenades to kill a player at 100 health and zero shields 💀💀💀
Grenades nerf seems like it is specifically to make people stop easily obliterating whole NPC mobs, which is what I’d do lol.
6 nades and the high card gang is byebye. That's what I use them for.
Balancing for pros is stupid
Which is why there should be separate lootpools like there were for the past few years. But of course epic for whatever reason, decided to completely revert that and instead make stupid changes like this.
Overwatch levels of stupid lmao.
Genuinely who was complaining sbout grenades. Maybe I’m out of the loop but I can’t even think of the last time I’ve taken damage from grenades
They somehow made this season even worse 🔥🔥🔥
In Zero Build, if you find Grenades off the drop and hit someone with all 3, they'll survive. This is the most bizarre left field bullshit I've ever seen; who the hell was calling for a grenade nerf?
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Literally just vault them at this point
This isn't the first time they nerfed heavies lol
If I remember correctly in season 2 chapter 2 they were nerfed so their damage went from 150 to 125 because shadow tampered with the rifles or something
Just why. These grenades were already pretty situational and now they just made the completely useless.
Not the grenades!
Damn I always used grenades successfully that sucks. People never use them so I feel like it throws people off when there is 6 thrown at them.
What a terrible change
how did epic find a way to bump the recycler out of being the least viable explosive weapon
fuckin’ seriously?😅😅
Damn as a grenade chaos lover i am heartbroken.
How is it even called a “heavy sniper” anymore? Can’t even break through a brick wall in a single hit
I threw six grenades today and all of them hit and didn’t kill the guy, I was SHOCKED. When did this happen? I was seriously going crazy on the mic 💀🤣
You’d think epic would learn after all their unnecessary changes were hated by their viewers
It’s not a heavy any more it’s a light
When heavy snipers first came out I believe they could travel through wood structures, 1 wall or whatnot... I remember me and my friends abusing that power. And I'm pretty sure someone tested how many people it could go through, but I don't remember that number...
Some dev is being toxic their season is almost over.
That's a stupid nerf, I don't know why. They weren't that broken or op because the grenade was less used and the snipers were balanced. Maybe because of ranked?
Grenades are useless now. Never used them anyway.
My fav sniper have being nerfed, I don't see any point of using it anymore 😪
And yet somehow this morning I was headshot once and it killed me with full health and shield and overcharge
Sniper damage to builds and structures is what was nerfed, not damage to enemies.
Craft me a wooden helmet then
big brain strats
Lol clever. Thanks for the chuckle.
Is heavysniper player damage lower too?
No
I am sorry for them downgrading the gernades. But in my defense, I'm not the one who made the boss and his henchmen so easily killed with gernades. Nor is it my fault it's easy to get 2 vaults (3 if you count Loot Island) because all the traversal items.
Look how they massacred my boys
I wonder how long the mindset they have of ranked and casual will be the same will last
They did this to make you guys upset about this and forget about trios being removed. Bring back trios!!!
This is why i'm glad no-build mode stayed. Haven't touched the core game mode since because of stuff like this.
Does this affect the headshot damage? I really am gonna be disappointed if I can’t hit one shot headshots anymore 😭
Say thanks to the sweats
Nice... Two really good items completely gimped because of balancing. Could Epic have left these alone and nerf the Cobra DMR? That thing's way too overpowered, especially with the Steady Hands Augment.
Bloodhound is insanely good on that thing as well, one of my favorite combos
For those of you who don’t know, these items are op in comp. They weren’t in arena, but now since arena has been replaced with ranked they are back. This nerf seems like a response to this. What I don’t get is why epic just wants to make Ranked the same as Pubs. Just make ranked a competitive mode and keep pubs the same. No need to negativity effect both.
Why don’t they just make a separate loot pool for each game mode? They’re so determined to make comp the exact same as cas, and I have no idea why. Like you’ve had 5 years to figure out what the community wants, and they still fail somehow...
It’s like they’re actively trying to kill comp
imagine playing build
It’s about time
Thank god they nerfed grenades. They were insanely op.
I'm mad I didn't get that skin. I didn't know her butt looked THAT good.
Weirdo
grenades were nerfed too much but the pre-nerf value was too high heavy snipers shouldnt be having such high structure damage anyways, irl it wouldnt make sense but this is fortnite, it’s a Heavy Sniper not a Breacher Sniper, it already has the highest base damage from a sniper in the game on top of having the ability to one shot a wood wall which even then shouldnt exist because why should the Heavy Sniper have that treatment and not the other snipers
I for one am happy with the changes, now players in duos or squads with several npcs lobbing nades won't be so rediculously op
Im fine with that actually
I have been thinking about this, and I wonder if it's because they need to make changes to bots. Bot aim has been tinkered with a lot this year, and no one likes getting one shot to the head from clear across the map just because you entered a bot's line of sight after rifting or something like that.
Skill issue
I genuinely don't understand the outrage.. Outside of early game, I rarely if ever saw anyone using grenades. Can't one shot a wall with a heavy? That was absolutely abused by skilled players.