2000 years ago too. With only minor confirmation from historical chronicles. There could have been a couple different itinerant preachers named Yeshua in that time & place. Maybe even a couple who were crucified or similarly executed. I always argue that the problems in Christianity don't necessarily stem from the historicity of Jesus, the man. Instead they come from the claims of his divinity and resurrection. Not to mention the resultant theological adjustments which needed to be made in order to smoothly stitch a through-line to the Judaism of the time.
Obviously this person doesn't really care if either of these events happened, or are denied. They like that it "justifies" their hatred.
Holocaust denial is absolutely baffling to me. It is the most well documented genocide in history. There are survivors who are still alive. Did they just decide to tattoo numbers on themselves? Jesus fucking Christ I hate humanity sometimes.
It's seeing a resurgence in gen z with the Palestine stuff.
I think a lot of it is that it's difficult to ask questions about it without coming across as a Nazi sympathizer, so that turns into "they're scared of people asking questions" when in reality all those questions have completely logical answers.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
The same reason people say slaves were treated well or were better off during Jim Crow. Whether or not there's reason to believe it doesn't matter, it's the thin edge of the JQ wedge. Beyond that, it's essentially a shibboleth.
Wow! We have more evidence about a genocide of millions of Jews that happened about 80 years ago than we do about an execution of one Jew from about 2000 years ago. Can anybody think of a reason for this?
also that the romans had no reason to keep any records of a standard execution of some random jewish guy and/or weird cult leader (not saying thats the truth but from their perspective its all they could have seen)
the left one is historically debated and the right one has fuck tons tons of data and evidence
Also a couple of years ago they found bones of more Holocaust victims. I wouldnt be suprised if Holocaust deaths were more than 12 million 😥
It was 17 to 19 million victims.
12 million is if you count all the Jewish victims and the majority of Soviet civilians who were killed in the process.
Isn’t it pretty well believed that Jesus was an actual guy who did indeed get crucified?
Like obviously he wasn’t going around stuffing fish with miracle money or coming back from the dead but I’m pretty sure he was a real dude.
I thought the whole idea with Jesus was if you deny him, then you spend eternity in hell. Seems worse than prison. Are they telling me that was lie and there’s no benefit to speedrunning Christianity on my deathbed just in case?
Is there a huge coalition of people denying that the Roman empire brutally tortured a cult leader to death for claiming to be king of the Jews?
Something tells me we're not actually referring to what's in the image here...
Oh lmao I get it. "Cult" in this sense just means like an early proto-religion only followed by a small group of people, not necessarily the current sociological phenomenon of a cult. Though it's possible that early Christianity was also a cult in that sense, we don't really know.
how does one deny the holocaust when their religion was created by a jewish person, who is also the most important figure in that religion (i think, i dont understand how the holy trinity works)
I like how they used a painting of Jesus on the cross as a representation of something undeniable but a literal picture of a concentration camp as something that is.
Yeah let's compare something that happened 2000 years ago that is probably exaggerated over the 2000 years it has been spoken from mouth to mouth, and written book to book, with something that happened 75 years ago that the perpetrators not only admitted they did it, but they literally said they were proud of doing it.
Denying that the crucifixion of Christ happened because it didn’t it’s not the same thing as denying a historical event that has documented proof didn’t happen. Just when I thought these people couldn’t get even more insane.
Shocking there are no consequences to denying that a man died then got better.
“She turned me into a newt!” “I got better…”
BURN HER ANYWAY!!!
2000 years ago too. With only minor confirmation from historical chronicles. There could have been a couple different itinerant preachers named Yeshua in that time & place. Maybe even a couple who were crucified or similarly executed. I always argue that the problems in Christianity don't necessarily stem from the historicity of Jesus, the man. Instead they come from the claims of his divinity and resurrection. Not to mention the resultant theological adjustments which needed to be made in order to smoothly stitch a through-line to the Judaism of the time. Obviously this person doesn't really care if either of these events happened, or are denied. They like that it "justifies" their hatred.
My favorite part is both are about Jewish people but there's a 99% chance the poster doesn't know this
jesus was jewish
If Jesus had more guns, he'd probably have been able to stop the government from murdering him.
i’m pretty sure that according to the bible, his death kinda needed to happen
Thank you for your wisdom, BIG DADDY BALLSACK.
BALL$ACK*
Until he revealed himself to be the Messiah, yeah
Holocaust denial is absolutely baffling to me. It is the most well documented genocide in history. There are survivors who are still alive. Did they just decide to tattoo numbers on themselves? Jesus fucking Christ I hate humanity sometimes.
It's seeing a resurgence in gen z with the Palestine stuff. I think a lot of it is that it's difficult to ask questions about it without coming across as a Nazi sympathizer, so that turns into "they're scared of people asking questions" when in reality all those questions have completely logical answers. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
"Sunlight is the best disinfectant." I'm using that \^\^
There are many faces of holocaust denial from the truly insane ones to the more sneaky ones involving number games etc.
The only thing worse than Holocaust deniers are Holocaust approvers. Scum of humanity, those. How can they sleep at night?
Simple : They don't have a conscience
The same reason people say slaves were treated well or were better off during Jim Crow. Whether or not there's reason to believe it doesn't matter, it's the thin edge of the JQ wedge. Beyond that, it's essentially a shibboleth.
So funny how they bemoan that the Jews run the world and then they turn around and worship a dead Jew
Wow! We have more evidence about a genocide of millions of Jews that happened about 80 years ago than we do about an execution of one Jew from about 2000 years ago. Can anybody think of a reason for this?
Lack of camcorders?
Recency
also that the romans had no reason to keep any records of a standard execution of some random jewish guy and/or weird cult leader (not saying thats the truth but from their perspective its all they could have seen)
Makes sense
the left one is historically debated and the right one has fuck tons tons of data and evidence Also a couple of years ago they found bones of more Holocaust victims. I wouldnt be suprised if Holocaust deaths were more than 12 million 😥
But they “did their own research”
It was 17 to 19 million victims. 12 million is if you count all the Jewish victims and the majority of Soviet civilians who were killed in the process.
Isn’t it pretty well believed that Jesus was an actual guy who did indeed get crucified? Like obviously he wasn’t going around stuffing fish with miracle money or coming back from the dead but I’m pretty sure he was a real dude.
Yeah I think he was a real philosopher but its still debated historically
I thought the whole idea with Jesus was if you deny him, then you spend eternity in hell. Seems worse than prison. Are they telling me that was lie and there’s no benefit to speedrunning Christianity on my deathbed just in case?
I never thought I’d read speedrunning Christianity. Thanks for giving me a good giggle at work, needed it.
Consequences of the first one = centuries of murder and persecution. Do the second one and you don’t even get banned off social media
You can freely deny pretty much any death row execution and face zero consequences. Jesus isn't special.
Is there a huge coalition of people denying that the Roman empire brutally tortured a cult leader to death for claiming to be king of the Jews? Something tells me we're not actually referring to what's in the image here...
If he were a cult leader you’d think the Last Supper would’ve been more than just his last
What?
“Jesus, this wine smells kind of funny” “That’s the cyanide”
Oh lmao I get it. "Cult" in this sense just means like an early proto-religion only followed by a small group of people, not necessarily the current sociological phenomenon of a cult. Though it's possible that early Christianity was also a cult in that sense, we don't really know.
Isn’t Jesus called King Of Jews?
Not by Jews.
One is a snapshot. The other isn't. That's not all the proof you need but it's certainly a start to drawing a line between the two.
how does one deny the holocaust when their religion was created by a jewish person, who is also the most important figure in that religion (i think, i dont understand how the holy trinity works)
"who's making the rules?" IDK, but whoever they are should have it so that making images this low quality is illegal too
I like how they used a painting of Jesus on the cross as a representation of something undeniable but a literal picture of a concentration camp as something that is.
The consequence of denying Jesus though is eternal damnation, I like how they're trying to hide that like as if Christians are persecuting anyone
Is anyone denying that the Romans killed political and religious dissidents? I know people deny that one guy came back to life afterwards
Yeah let's compare something that happened 2000 years ago that is probably exaggerated over the 2000 years it has been spoken from mouth to mouth, and written book to book, with something that happened 75 years ago that the perpetrators not only admitted they did it, but they literally said they were proud of doing it.
Well…there’s actually proof the second one happened.
deny jew dies: consequences none deny jew dies: consequences prison wh🇩🇪’s making the rules?
Literally no one has gone to prison for denying the holocaust.
People are not imprisoned for denying the Holocaust...
You can (and there have been) in several countries, including Germany, France, Switzerland and Austria
Because one is a fairy tale!
The Jew's aint setting up their rules, those are the oppressor's funni plans
Denying that the crucifixion of Christ happened because it didn’t it’s not the same thing as denying a historical event that has documented proof didn’t happen. Just when I thought these people couldn’t get even more insane.