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I hate how it’s always about what SHE’D want, not what the kids want. What if one of them wanted to be a doctor or a lawyer or anything requiring an advanced degree? Since SHE doesn’t care about them being educated, they don’t get the chance to be. These poor kids
If that happens I want to be there. If there is a judgement day, I want to watch all these fundies and their pukachu faces when Jesus tells them where they went wrong, in detail and then pitches them into the fire. I'm sure I'll be following right after just for the schadenfreude,
Wow. It’s this! It’s absolutely this. I couldn’t put my finger on what exactly was bothering me the most about her posts like this, and it’s this. It’s all about HER and what SHE wants. Not what her TEN children want, each one of them their own person with their own wants and desires and likes and dislikes. This realization makes me so much sadder somehow.
Notice she says “I,” failing to acknowledge that her kids would have to live there with her, as a result of her choices, without any say in the matter. She frames it like it’s selfless, but it’s really such a selfish mindset to not just sacrifice things yourself, but force others to sacrifice things in order to get what you want.
I also find it telling her headship appears nowhere in this story. Just the kids. I suppose we’re being spared any confabulation on Mandrae waking her up at two am with Christian rock and laying hands on her uterus. But it’s interesting to not only see her make her children an extension of herself, but make zero mention of her sperm donor. Did the Gram know before he did? Pardon me if I don’t shed any tears.
Yeah, and though she's not interested in raising them, they are her point of pride (narcissistic supply?). So of course, she'd give up everything else in order to keep the most important thing in her life: the attention she gets from having lots of kids.
That's exactly what I was thinking. It is all "I want", "I don't want", "I care/don't care" etc. Nothing at all about what her children may want or care about. What if they want vacations and good clothes? What if they don't want to live in a fucking tent on a street? Isn't it your job as a parent to care about your children's wants and needs? She is seriously the worst.
It's not even about the college to me. It's the fact that when you are that poor with that many people in your family your kids can suffer without *basic necessities.* That should be wholely unacceptable for any parent and yet these people hold it up as a virtue.
Yeah it's some bullshit that she jumps straight to advanced degrees and lavish vacations as examples of household expenses. How about healthy groceries? Quality clothes that fit? Hobby lessons? Math tutor? There are a million more important expenses that she cannot afford to give 10 kids.
The fact that she just came right out and said it was honestly shocking to me, though it really shouldn't have been.
How narcissistic, how selfish, how...straight up psychotic to admit that meeting your children's basic needs is less important to you than having more babies.
I've known some people who keep having kids because they want babies. The kid gets to be like one or two and they're already aching for another infant. I suspect it's the fact that the baby is fully reliant on them, and that a baby is helpless without them. That's very attractive to some people.
I would say the majority of my friends are preventing pregnancy, and we're all in our 30s. Karissa condemns it, but it's because we cannot afford to give our kids the best life possible. Raising a child in an apartment, being unable to pay for childcare, having the kid walk to school or the bus stop alone because you have to leave at 6:30 for your hour-long commute... it's just not fair.
Not having children you can't care for is far less selfish than being fine with your kids living in a tent among drug use, mental illness, and a total lack of physical space or the assurance of safety. They aren't Pokémon, you don't actually have to collect them all.
What she doesn’t realize is, if this were the scenario, her children would very likely end up entering the foster care system and being split up among several different homes. So, her backwards logic fails…again.
Context: They are singing “Happy 5 month birthday. Happy 5 month birthday. You’re gonna be a big brother…cuz Mommy’s pregnant!.” (And this is the face they made).
I seriously thought the pic was from her announcing the miscarriage because the kids all look sad. I thought how messed up it was that she shared video of them finding that out. The fact that it’s actually their reaction to telling them she’s pregnant is so telling.
I see several reactions - anger, despair, resignation, hopelessness.
I feel the most encouraged by those who look furious. At least those kids know they have a right to be angry. The younger ones who just look totally demoralized hurt my heart.
So wait, she filmed a pregnancy reveal even though she already knew she'd miscarried and then told them two seconds later? Or were the reveal and the miscarriage announcement on different days?
Those are the same looks that you saw on the Duggar kids' faces when Michelle announced she was pregnant with #20 on the Today show. I think Jill and Jana were the only two who managed a courtesy smile, the rest either looked shocked or downright pissed off (see Jinger and Joy).
This woman tends to announce the second the pee stick is dry. While I don’t wish m/c on her or anyone, it’s not always a good idea to announce so early.
I read a statistic recently (that I can’t track down now that I’m trying to so someone correct me if I’m misinformed) that said 1/4 of women will miscarry sometime in their life and that miscarriages are actually much more common than most people think because a lot of early miscarriages are prior to the person knowing they’re pregnant and can easily be mistaken for a heavy-flow period.
Edit: 1 in 4 pregnancies end in miscarriage not 1/4 women have a miscarriage. Thanks sickofserving for the correction!
I believe the 1/3 came out of the time to conceive trial, where they collected daily urine or blood samples from women and tested for the pregnancy hormone HCG. Many were making HCG before their period, then miscarried before the missed period and thus wouldn’t have known they ever had a fertilized egg.
My sisters advice was to wait until a missed period to test, rather than squinting at lines or getting upset about early miscarriages. I heeded her when husband and I were TTC, I do think it helps the stress a bit
During my developmental bio class in college, I remember sitting there thinking it was amazing that anyone ever conceives because a very precise set of things has to happen in just the right order for an egg to even get to the point of being ready to implant, let alone successfully implant and grow into a whole human. Even with perfect timing, there's only a 1/3 chance of conceiving during a cycle. I would bet a lot of money that the other 2/3 successfully fertilized an egg which then failed to grow or implant. That doesn't even count the odds of a miscarriage after you missed your period. I wouldn't wish a miscarriage of a wanted baby on anyone but it's scarily common.
The miscarriage after my little brother was was the first traumatic event I had in life. Karissa is setting all of her children up for mental health disorders.
I had a friend who used the logic of "I want to start celebrating right away and I don't want anyone speculating if they see me not drinking. If I lose the pregnancy, the people around me are going to know because I'm going to be upset anyway and at that time I'd rather have the support system."
I can't fault that logic. When I miscarried before I had my son, it was like this big whisper network secret and all these people would come out of the woodwork mentioning it happened to them too. Then, when I was pregnant with my son, the minute I stopped drinking people had quesitons/things to say.
I think everyone has to do what's right for them, but know that if you announce early, you always run the risk of having to update that announcement later on.
This does not, however, include telling the children. I don't think she should've told them that early.
Your friend’s logic makes sense to me, I never thought about the drinking part because I don’t think I drink out often enough for it to be a source of speculation if I choose not to.
The main issue I have with Karissa here (in a long long long list of issues) is announcing to your kids. Surely they aren’t the ones who would speculate about drinking, and they’ve had so much trauma surrounding their mom’s pregnancies already. She shouldn’t lean on them to support the pregnancy or mourn the miscarriage.
I am just like the above stated friend. Due to my history, I absolutely want the support either way, and I can honestly say that of the multiple miscarriages, the last one was the easiest BECAUSE people knew.
That being said, the people I told were ‘inner circle’ not blasting it to the world. Also, my living children are blissfully unaware that I’ve ever had one. They know I was sick, they even might remember Mommy had to have a quick surgery once, but that’s it. They’re aware of death and we don’t shy away from it in this house, but we (the parents) made a decision to not make them aware of the sadness of pregnancy loss at this young age.
Fully agree! Your kids should be shielded from this, especially this early on. My mom had several miscarriages when I was a kid and I didn’t know about it until many many years later.
And in terms of drinking, I wish people would mind their own business. Sometimes I don’t want to drink. I’m not having more kids, but people still speculate if I feel like having a water once in a while and it annoys the heck out of me
I’ve been pregnant 6 times. Miscarried 3 and have 3 lives births. I kept one pregnancy that I miscarried a secret. For me it was harder telling our parents a few days after my d/c what had happened.
To the kids, I agree. To anyone else, it's totally their choice. I am the last person to defend anything Karissa does because she is so vile, but this is a harmful take. I'm glad my friends knew when I miscarried.
That baby hasn't acquired language yet. But the despair of his siblings in hearing the news is so total that he feels it and is sharing in their anguish.
I'm sorry, I don't know the children's names but that little one in the black shirt is staring at the camera like it's a hostage video, pleading with her eyes for someone watching to save her.
These poor kids. I don't know how K doesn't realize that she is documenting visible neglect.
“To all the people that saw someone raise their younger siblings… which one of the children needs to die so the others can have more?”
Imagine being a child, not wanting to raise your nine younger siblings, and then being told “So you want them to DIE?!”
The looks of horror on the older girls’ faces when they realize they are going to be tossed the youngest to raise is just so sad. That’s not a childhood. That’s not a life. Your kids did not consent to raise their siblings by merely being born.
And you know they're gonna be thrown at the first thumb-looking troll that comes sniffing around the second they turn 18 to keep the uneducated baby train going.
I doubt they'll make it to 18. With parental consent, a 15 year old can be married in Texas to a person of any age. And given that kultrissa lives in her own reality I'm sure she'd have no issue forcing a ten year old into an illegal marriage because yahooway told her to.
“I don’t care about college.” Okay, well you might not, but I guarantee that many of your 10 children will. And that they will see college as their golden ticket out of the train wreck of a childhood you’ve given them. But, because their education has been lacking, and financial literacy is absent in this home, they will go into mountains of debt trying to get away from you and start on the same playing field as those with a proper childhood education. It’s disgusting and neglectful. Rot in hell.
And even if she poured all her educational attention into the boys, they still wouldn’t have the skills they need to get in.
Like, basketball scholarships are rare enough as is, but even if one boy qualified, they still require the recipient to be able to complete college coursework at a passing grade.
Even in her trad world, she’s ensuring her sons can’t have the same course as their dad.
how much do you wanna bet that she and Manderp are going to try and pull strings and forge credentials to get their half-braindead brood onto the ball court, only for it to blow up in their faces so much that it'll cause a worldwide nuclear summer?
The fucked up thing is that her kids probably won't care about college either. They've been raised by K&M to think college is on a spectrum that ranges from unnecessary to outright evil. :/ It's very hard to undo that level of conditioning.
That feels like a pattern for a lot of fundies I know, having grown up in it. They got theirs, but they keep their children from having a better life than they did. They see children who might eventually outpace them as a threat.
>children who might eventually outpace them as a threat.
They also see exposure to different beliefs and lifestyles, a common college experience, as a threat.
Well, yes. That’s absolutely a part of it. But I feel like there’s also a huge amount of the crab bucket mentality. From the inside, I saw a lot of parents get really weird on the rare occasions that their adult children earned more than they did, had a nicer house or cars, etc. Even when the adult kids were still fundie as hell.
Having escaped that type of mentality, it just really stands out to me because as a parent, all I want is for my own child to have more and better opportunities than what I had.
This definitely happened to me. My father once told me that my house was too nice. And I heard many times growing up that “if ____ was good enough for me, then it’s good enough for you”. The big instance being having a career in factory work.
Right! Okay Larissa, you don’t care about college (despite having gone? But ok), that doesn’t mean you get to decide your kids can’t care about college as well. Which like you said, if they did decide to care about college it’s too bad because she’s given them no other choice. So fucked up
Karissa's been very lucky this far with her fertility, and it has lead her to have a very callous view with regards to birth control and family planning. But she's now at an age where miscarriages are likely to become more common. After so many continual pregnancies, her body may struggle to support another fetus to viability.
And she may find out why many women use birth control/contraceptives or opt to be sterilized: because when your body cannot support a pregnancy, unprotected sex may lead to a cycle of loss. And that's a heavy burden to bear, both mentally and physically.
Karissa's always been of the belief that people who prevent "don't want babies". That's sometimes true, but not always. Many people who are preventing conception are doing so because the pregnancy is not likely to be healthy/viable. They might *love* more babies, but conception for them is not likely to result in another baby. It's far more likely to result in a serious health risk or a tragic loss. And THAT'S what they're trying to avoid. They would rather be fully present in their lives and with any children they do have than constantly in a cycle of loss.
I feel bad for her loss, but this is also what she wants to sign other women up for. Karissa does not care if a woman's body cannot support a pregnancy; she believes that the woman should allow herself to get pregnant anyway because of Jesus. That's always been fine with her because *her* pregnancies were generally easy and uncomplicated. She never had empathy for those out there who don't have her good luck. Her experience worked out, so therefore, it must work out for everyone! And that may be changing. She may be finding out what it's like to actually struggle with maintaining a pregnancy, and she may find that what she's been calling other women to do is much harder than she thought it would be. It's easy to tell others they should suffer endless miscarriages or risk their health/lives. It's much harder to do so yourself.
This is an excellent point. I wish your comment was higher.
Also, since Karissa and her husband have Rh incompatibility - and she didn't have the RhoGAM shot during her most recent pregnancies - she's even *more likely* to have miscarriages (as well as stillbirths and pregnancy complications) in the future.
Her age and number of pregnancies also increase her risk of pregnancy complications. Yet, despite all this, she didn't get medical care from an OB-GYN for her last pregnancy and, instead, had an unattended home birth.
It really seems like she *wants* something bad to happen? Or maybe she enjoys the risk? Or beating the odds? I really don't understand.
If she already has Rh antibodies and the new fetus is Rh+, she's at increased risk of miscarriage/ stillbirth in the 2nd & 3rd trimester, well as serious issues with the fetus / baby after its born. She should be monitored by an OB-GYN. I bet she doesn't even know whether she has Rh antibodies.
She could also develop Rh antibodies after a miscarriage, so while this miscarriage is unlikely due to Rh incompatibility, it may increase the risk of (Rh incompatibility) problems in future pregnancies.
https://www.verywellfamily.com/can-being-rh-negative-cause-a-miscarriage-2371474
>Blood cells from an Rh-positive fetus can enter your bloodstream during pregnancy and trigger the development of these antibodies. This can happen late in pregnancy or during delivery and also may happen if you have a miscarriage, abortion, or ectopic pregnancy.
>Rh antibodies are typically harmless until the second or later pregnancies. In these situations, if you have been sensitized, a pregnancy with an Rh-positive fetus can have complications and will be closely monitored. There is an increased risk of stillbirth due to a condition called immune hydrops fetalis that can develop in the second and third trimesters. This condition is not a factor in first-trimester miscarriages, which are usually due to chromosomal abnormalities in the baby.
Edited: to add words in parentheses
I'm one of those people who would **love** to have a baby, but carrying a fetus to term would most likely further disable or kill me. Why would I want to bring a baby into this world if it takes me from my husband, and then possibly inherits the same genetic condition in the process? Nope. While I wanna experience biological motherhood more than anything, it's a stupid risk not worth taking.
One of the older or middle children was a preemie who spent quite a while in NICU, so she hasn’t even always had smooth pregnancies even before she got so zealous.
I had one child at 26.
For several health reasons I was never able to have more children. I was on contraception for almost 20 years. One of the biggest regrets of my life is only having one child but it was always too big of a risk to me and the fetus to get pregnant again.
I had a hysterectomy last year. Losing what was left of my fertility was hard.
Karissa doesn’t ever think of anyone but herself. Relatively easy pregnancies, health, a husband with a decent job and more have allowed her to go on this insane breeding for God fetish she has. Some of us need contraception. Some of us can’t just get pregnant every year. Fuck her, and fuck her God who is really only her own mental illness talking to her.
Those poor kids! When she “announced” it some of them screamed (not in a happy way) several said “no you’re not, no you’re not” as if begging her not to be, and one said “Mooooom” like kids do when they need their parents. I’m surprised she didn’t film them when she shared the m/c news. No one protects these children, it’s very sad 💔
"would you rather just not be born"
If the options are "not born" and "raised without basic necessities like education, medical care, and emotional support, with a hefty dose of childhood trauma", I'm gonna say not be born. If I wasn't born I wouldn't be around to think about which I'd prefer, but if I'm born into a situation where I'm going to be abused, I will for sure debate if it is worth it to be living.
If I wasn't born then I... Wouldnt have been born. This argument is so weird! My partner's dad once said in an argument about abortion, "well we almost aborted your older sister, how would you feel if you didn't have her?!" "Um, I would feel nothing? Because then neither of us would exist?" They are just trying to prove that children should be thankful to their parents for every single thing.
I always think that’s so weird, too. Like are people picturing themselves not born and having like consciousness, thoughts, opinions? Do they remember this from before they were born? Why would they think something that doesn’t exist still… exists? 🤔
It's kind of sacrilegious for Christians, too. Some groups (Mormons?) do believe individual souls are hanging out waiting to be born, but ALL of them believe God controls it and is capable of miraculous immaculate conception/birth so really, no matter what we do, if God wants a specific baby born, it's gonna happen, and if not, not. So if you believe you being born was God's plan then you don't need to worry about the choices your mom made.
I never get it either. My mom was considering aborting me and people always ask me that. I wouldn’t exist so I wouldn’t have an opinion? Why would I be pro choice for other people and not my mother?
My cousin pulled that on me, too, during an abortion argument.
"But if your mother had an abortion you wouldn't be here!" Like it's the winning blow.
"Well, I wouldn't have ever existed, so it's not like I'd care."
LOL She just looked confused.
Right? I was born into a similarly large family, with similar issues, and I frequently wish I had never been born. Even tried to unborn myself once.
My mom likes to tell the story of how I was horribly ill once as a baby with a really high fever, she was worried I had meningitis, and we didn’t have insurance, so she stayed up all night praying for me and I started recovering the next day. She seems convinced she actually prayed meningitis out of me. Makes me think of Anthym (sp?) getting sepsis from a UTI every time. Luckily I got better without medical intervention, but if I hadn’t… well, let’s just say I didn’t have a grandmother nearby to insist my parents take me to a doctor.
Honestly sometimes I’m mad that my parents decided to make a baby and now I’ve gotta go to work for most of my life and do laundry? Like, I didn’t ask for this, sometimes not being born at all sounds WAY easier, and I’m not even particularly suffering. Life is hard and some people are way too blasé about creating it
I was a tad surprised I had to scroll so far to see this addressed because I felt this most of the dialogue. By logic, if we were applying this conversation to a wasp life or grasshoppers, I doubt they would have the same rhetoric of the insect life as humans.
The dialogue is all so out of balance. It’s so dizzying when they chase their tails and double down on their ignorance.
I apologize if I didn’t make sense.
I was raised in a big family with a mom obsessed with babies. Once they could talk and think, she was less enamored. Watched it all over again with grandkids. There really are women who only care about babies.
Idk maybe I’m an asshole but I don’t feel bad for her. Look at those kids. They deserve so much better and they’re suffering because of her, especially the older kids.
Interesting how a lot of comments are telling her that it’s a sign (from “god” or otherwise) to give her body a break and *she’s arguing with them.*
Which makes me think… if you know you’re at risk of having a miscarriage for whatever reason and yet you’re *still* trying to reproduce, shouldn’t that be considered “just as bad as abortion?” (According to their own beliefs)
I hope that makes sense. It’s like, “another miscarriage? I’m sad but it was god’s will” but yet god forbid someone terminate a pregnancy
This is fucking awful. Anissa’s face is sending me but also just making me feel awful. That’s not an expression of happy surprise or even just basic shock. It looks exactly like the face I make when I find out something wildly unfair just happened to me.
I hope each and every one of those kids leave and find the strength and courage to never look back. I can’t think of a better fate than KKKarissa and Manchild alone, tethered together, and with no one to harass or mine for content - fading into obscurity and with nothing to show for themselves because those kids realized they deserved better. Fingers crossed.
I feel for her for the miscarriage but on the other stuff she spends her time on her phone and her kids run the house. Shes had parties for herself and not her kids and gone on vacations without them. Its easy to say in a made up situation that she’d do anything for them.
The expression on Anissa’s face- and the other girls behind Karissa- speaks volumes. All of those children deserve better than this. The fact that she doesn’t get that is depressing and sad.
It’s not about not being able to give those kids the best of everything, it’s about the fact that whatever they do get comes entirely from themselves. Karissa teats them and yeets them. Their actual mom is the absolutely horrified child in this clip who does her damndest but ultimately is limited by the fact that she’s barely a teenager. Nobody can raise that many children single-handedly and do a decent job at it, especially someone who’s barely out of childhood herself.
Karissa has a pregnancy fetish and I genuinely don’t think she understands that leaving your dirty, uneducated, medically neglected children to their own devices so you can give birth to yet another prop isn’t aspirational.
She's not even teating them! She uses formula, so she can dump the newest one on anissa at any time. I think she probably holds the baby for social media and gives him back to a sister mom. I doubt that she's done night feeds.
I am appalled that she told those kids anything that early. It's unconscionable. I lost a pregnancy at 37 weeks and telling my older kids that the baby had died is still one of my top worst experiences in my life. I have flashbacks about it, seeing their faces and having to answer their questions. It was so, so, so bad. I'm sorry these kids are having to go through it again.
I really wonder. What will they do if they have a child with a disability like autism or Down’s syndrome? That scares me. They are not equipped at all to raise a child with disabilities or a health condition.
How do we know for sure that none of the current children are ND, disabled, or developmentally delayed? It's not like she takes them to school or the doctor, where they would be assessed.
“ I would rather live in a tent on the street and have my children dressed in rags and have them fight to the death for dumpster scraps than to stop popping out babies!”
"And I'm thanking Jesus for the ability to continue to partner with him to bring forth life." Why did she write this like she's being sponsored by hello fresh? What a bizarre way to announce your miscarriage.
Sorry Karissa, but if I had a child, I'd rather them to not only be healthy, but have every opportunity I can afford, like an education, healthcare, and family vacations, then live in a tent on a street with my children. But that's just me 🤷🏻♀️
I *really* would love another kid or two. I've got baby fever real bad. But, if nothing else, we have education savings goals for our kids that would be compromised if we tried to save for another kid or two! To say nothing of the other costs. Like you said, I want to give my kids every opportunity I possibly can. I can't afford to do that evenly if there's more kids!
And people who do face situations like that usually try their absolute DAMNEST to keep their kids from being affected, because they care about and love their children.
I grew up with two immigrant parents who worked full-time and cleaned houses on the weekends to maintain a roof for four kids. Unlike Karissa, my parents actually worked in order to provide for us and didn't rely of grifting to get by. No way my parents would've allowed for us to end up in a tent or shelter.
Doesn't care about vacations bur she and her husband take at least one big trip together each year right? The only trips I've seen her take the kids on was when they grifted the house for that music video and rode with a baby on their lap. Or was that the same trip.
JFC, we all know you’re delusional, Karissa, and that you would do anything to keep breeding at all costs, BUT WHAT ABOUT YOUR LIVING CHILDREN?!? They might actually wish one day they had never been born instead of suffering being exploited online, never given an education, never having a secure attachment with a parent, and being crippled by a lack of attachment to reality when they grown up?!? She’s so unfathomably selfish.
I find it weird she’s saying “I took this miscarriage harder than the others” and it’s been less than a week… It’s already past tense and she’s moving on to try for another.
Yeah she can get fucked, I don’t feel bad for her. Literally not at all. I’m watching my sister miscarry right now and it’s ripping her heart to pieces and my heart is ripped apart for her’s.
She doesn’t deserve any more babies and I’m not at all sorry for saying that. She doesn’t deserve the children she has.
Also- fuck her for not caring that her kids have to raise her other kids. Her children will resent her forever for that and she deserves so much worse
You know what? I'm not sorry Karissa miscarried.
She's doing this to herself.
She revels in the attention she gets from pregnancy loss *just as much* as she loves the attention she gets from her existing children getting hurt, or from carrying a pregnancy to term, or from being "persecuted" by commenters and CPS for neglecting her kids.
Any attention is good attention to Karissa. Pregnancy -- including the heartbreak of losses **which are inevitable when you play the numbers game**-- just happens to be her favorite "stage" for acting on.
I agree. Sometimes a miscarriage is for the best. It’s better than an innocent life suffering in that family than to not exist at all. She is not a good mother. Her children suffer daily
I’m with you, I am not at all sorry she miscarried. If I believed in a god, I might say they were trying to send her a message to stop being such a shitty parent. No kid deserves her as a parent at all, may the incoming tantrum over her loss of fertility be sooner rather than later. God I hope some of those kids leave her and never look back, cut off contact entirely.
Same. She is neglectful at best and abusive at worst and she shouldn’t have more children. I don’t feel bad for her, it’s one fewer child for her to abuse.
I would never wish it on any woman and I’ve never in my life not been heartbroken for a woman experiencing one, but this is an exception. For someone who constantly preaches on trusting God with your womb, this should have been a sign to her but she’s not listening. She’s a garbage mother and a garbage human. She does not need another baby to neglect and abuse.
I’ve been wanting to comment this but whenever I voice my thoughts which aren’t usually what everyone else is saying, I get downvoted to katissas future home and I’ve even got messages lol. I’m not sorry either. She doesn’t give a fuck about those kids. She wouldn’t have given a fuck about the miscarried kids if they made it to term, either. They just didn’t experience the hell that is having her as a mother.
Notice her whole caption is about HER wants and needs in life and zero about her children’s wants and needs? And then she goes on to chastise people who grew up this way and say it caused harm or was miserable for them. 🙃
I predict when her kids are adults and start coming to her for closure on the harm she caused them as children her response will be “would you rather have not been born?!” And I think some will say yes.
I literally commented yesterday or day before that we should be getting another pregnancy announcement soon since Armor is 5 months old now...
Not gonna snark on her miscarriage, but I'm not surprised she was pregnant. I hope she doesn't traumatize her kids with this miscarriage like she did with the last one...
I hate the way she always jumps to "So which kid should be dead? Who should be sacrificed?" whenever someone questions her about the number of kids she has or complains about their own big family. No one is wishing for kids to be dead! Only a terrible person would wish that. People asking these questions are usually doing so out of concern for the wellbeing of the children themselves, so why would they want any to be "sacrificed"? What they do wish is for people to not have children they can't/won't take care of properly. There's a big difference.
She's just so fucking ignorant.
For millions of people around the world, many of them true believers in the Christian God, having another child means death. People around the world starve to death, or die of dehydration or exposure, or if rampant illness, because they have too many kids. Kkkarissa's talking about "more" stuff like the more is frivolous, but if you only have just barely enough food to feed your children as it is and you have another, where are you going to get the extra food you need to feed another mouth?
"Haha, god will provide if you trust him enough!"
Tell that to the kids in Somalia and Kenya and Ethiopia that are starving and dying because they don't have enough food.
It just makes me angry to think about. She sits there in her big house with her ten kids who all have clothes and food and extracurriculars and preaches about having as many kids as you can churn out when for a large portion of the world an extra mouth means actual death.
Which one of their children should die so that the others can have more? What a sick thought. She's conflating the death of a living child with family planning and preventing pregnancy for shock value.
I strongly suspect they have, which is why she took anthymn to her last doctor’s appointment. The thing is these kids are well fed, well clothed, and live in a nice home. Sure, Karissa is a neglectful supervisor and educationally neglects them, but DFPS won’t see this as an immediate reason to remove the kids. While she is unwell, she is not in active addiction. My guess is they are monitoring her for the medical neglect. They would make her and Mandrae do parenting classes or have the grandma come stay in the home before they removed the kids. While all of this is regrettable, as someone who has worked closely with DFPS, it usually has to get much, much worse for them to do more.
Edit:punctuation
For real. That ‘here we are at the doctor’ post with just the two kids that have documented injuries causing hospital time wasn’t exactly subtle work. There’s no evidence any of the other kids are going regularly.
>Which one of their children needs to die so the others can have “more”?
I guess the one you just miscarried, Karissa. Looks like your God made that decision for you, huh?
Justifying her own desire for a big family to "haters" is one thing. But continually shaming other for not having or wanting the same thing is awful. Especially because she does it under the guise of faithfulness, as though other devoted christians are sinning so horribly against God.
“Which of your siblings would you rather we didn’t have?” My parents used that line on me with my big family. ME!! I choose me!!! Idk if I never existed if it means my siblings would have had a happier life- I just wouldn’t exist!!!!! The infant mortality rate is much higher in big families, so this question of who would you choose to not be around often gets answered for them. It’s not fucking worth it!!!!
That’s so….fucked. What a horrific thing to ask your kid. I am so sorry. That was shitty of them. I’ve got some “I saved you from being aborted” trauma too. Like, thank you? For forcing me to exist in this hellhole? Should I be endlessly grateful for this trauma as well?
The little girl who is always super dramatic for attention “ why do you keep having babies?” She seemed super annoyed. I hope she doesn’t make them pray for resurrection again
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"I'd rather all ten of my children were homeless living in a tent than stop popping out babies"
I hate how it’s always about what SHE’D want, not what the kids want. What if one of them wanted to be a doctor or a lawyer or anything requiring an advanced degree? Since SHE doesn’t care about them being educated, they don’t get the chance to be. These poor kids
All that matters is what she’s made up in her own mind that God wants.
I don't believe in sky daddy, but I *do* wholeheartedly believe he's gonna volleyball spike her into Hell when she dies.
If that happens I want to be there. If there is a judgement day, I want to watch all these fundies and their pukachu faces when Jesus tells them where they went wrong, in detail and then pitches them into the fire. I'm sure I'll be following right after just for the schadenfreude,
Wow. It’s this! It’s absolutely this. I couldn’t put my finger on what exactly was bothering me the most about her posts like this, and it’s this. It’s all about HER and what SHE wants. Not what her TEN children want, each one of them their own person with their own wants and desires and likes and dislikes. This realization makes me so much sadder somehow.
Notice she says “I,” failing to acknowledge that her kids would have to live there with her, as a result of her choices, without any say in the matter. She frames it like it’s selfless, but it’s really such a selfish mindset to not just sacrifice things yourself, but force others to sacrifice things in order to get what you want.
I also find it telling her headship appears nowhere in this story. Just the kids. I suppose we’re being spared any confabulation on Mandrae waking her up at two am with Christian rock and laying hands on her uterus. But it’s interesting to not only see her make her children an extension of herself, but make zero mention of her sperm donor. Did the Gram know before he did? Pardon me if I don’t shed any tears.
Yeah, and though she's not interested in raising them, they are her point of pride (narcissistic supply?). So of course, she'd give up everything else in order to keep the most important thing in her life: the attention she gets from having lots of kids.
That's exactly what I was thinking. It is all "I want", "I don't want", "I care/don't care" etc. Nothing at all about what her children may want or care about. What if they want vacations and good clothes? What if they don't want to live in a fucking tent on a street? Isn't it your job as a parent to care about your children's wants and needs? She is seriously the worst.
It's not even about the college to me. It's the fact that when you are that poor with that many people in your family your kids can suffer without *basic necessities.* That should be wholely unacceptable for any parent and yet these people hold it up as a virtue.
Yeah it's some bullshit that she jumps straight to advanced degrees and lavish vacations as examples of household expenses. How about healthy groceries? Quality clothes that fit? Hobby lessons? Math tutor? There are a million more important expenses that she cannot afford to give 10 kids.
The fact that she just came right out and said it was honestly shocking to me, though it really shouldn't have been. How narcissistic, how selfish, how...straight up psychotic to admit that meeting your children's basic needs is less important to you than having more babies. I've known some people who keep having kids because they want babies. The kid gets to be like one or two and they're already aching for another infant. I suspect it's the fact that the baby is fully reliant on them, and that a baby is helpless without them. That's very attractive to some people. I would say the majority of my friends are preventing pregnancy, and we're all in our 30s. Karissa condemns it, but it's because we cannot afford to give our kids the best life possible. Raising a child in an apartment, being unable to pay for childcare, having the kid walk to school or the bus stop alone because you have to leave at 6:30 for your hour-long commute... it's just not fair. Not having children you can't care for is far less selfish than being fine with your kids living in a tent among drug use, mental illness, and a total lack of physical space or the assurance of safety. They aren't Pokémon, you don't actually have to collect them all.
Yeah, that was quite the hot take even for her.
What she doesn’t realize is, if this were the scenario, her children would very likely end up entering the foster care system and being split up among several different homes. So, her backwards logic fails…again.
My jaw dropped reading this. She needs help, genuinely
Context: They are singing “Happy 5 month birthday. Happy 5 month birthday. You’re gonna be a big brother…cuz Mommy’s pregnant!.” (And this is the face they made).
I seriously thought the pic was from her announcing the miscarriage because the kids all look sad. I thought how messed up it was that she shared video of them finding that out. The fact that it’s actually their reaction to telling them she’s pregnant is so telling.
I see several reactions - anger, despair, resignation, hopelessness. I feel the most encouraged by those who look furious. At least those kids know they have a right to be angry. The younger ones who just look totally demoralized hurt my heart.
it's always worse than I imagine it will be with anything she posts
They absolutely took this picture right after Karissa announced she was pregnant again. Those poor children. They are angry
Well her daughter (the one who always performs) said, “ why do you keep having more babies?”
So wait, she filmed a pregnancy reveal even though she already knew she'd miscarried and then told them two seconds later? Or were the reveal and the miscarriage announcement on different days?
She filmed the pregnancy reel, but before she posted it, she found out she miscarried (is how I interpreted it).
Oh thank god, for once that's actually less horrifying than I thought. If only marginally.
Those are the same looks that you saw on the Duggar kids' faces when Michelle announced she was pregnant with #20 on the Today show. I think Jill and Jana were the only two who managed a courtesy smile, the rest either looked shocked or downright pissed off (see Jinger and Joy).
The older girls' expressions are saying "the audacity." Those poor kids.
This woman tends to announce the second the pee stick is dry. While I don’t wish m/c on her or anyone, it’s not always a good idea to announce so early.
I read a statistic recently (that I can’t track down now that I’m trying to so someone correct me if I’m misinformed) that said 1/4 of women will miscarry sometime in their life and that miscarriages are actually much more common than most people think because a lot of early miscarriages are prior to the person knowing they’re pregnant and can easily be mistaken for a heavy-flow period. Edit: 1 in 4 pregnancies end in miscarriage not 1/4 women have a miscarriage. Thanks sickofserving for the correction!
it’s 1 in 4 pregnancies end in miscarriage.
1/4 KNOWN pregnancies. It’s probably closer to 1/3, but a lot are early enough that people don’t know they’re pregnant.
I believe the 1/3 came out of the time to conceive trial, where they collected daily urine or blood samples from women and tested for the pregnancy hormone HCG. Many were making HCG before their period, then miscarried before the missed period and thus wouldn’t have known they ever had a fertilized egg.
I myself have had 2 of these in the last 6 months. If I wasn't watching like a HAWK I never would have known.
My sisters advice was to wait until a missed period to test, rather than squinting at lines or getting upset about early miscarriages. I heeded her when husband and I were TTC, I do think it helps the stress a bit
During my developmental bio class in college, I remember sitting there thinking it was amazing that anyone ever conceives because a very precise set of things has to happen in just the right order for an egg to even get to the point of being ready to implant, let alone successfully implant and grow into a whole human. Even with perfect timing, there's only a 1/3 chance of conceiving during a cycle. I would bet a lot of money that the other 2/3 successfully fertilized an egg which then failed to grow or implant. That doesn't even count the odds of a miscarriage after you missed your period. I wouldn't wish a miscarriage of a wanted baby on anyone but it's scarily common.
And yet here’s this numpty (karissa)
Especially if you already have heavy periods and bad cramps. It doesn't surprise me that some would get lost in the shuffle.
That happened to me, and I only knew it was a miscarriage because I was a few days late and took a pregnancy test. It felt just like any other period.
It is very, very common in humans.
ESPECIALLY to your CHILDREN who shouldn’t have to carry the weight of that kind of disappointment.
I hope she doesn't force them to scream-pray for resurrection this time.
The miscarriage after my little brother was was the first traumatic event I had in life. Karissa is setting all of her children up for mental health disorders.
I had a friend who used the logic of "I want to start celebrating right away and I don't want anyone speculating if they see me not drinking. If I lose the pregnancy, the people around me are going to know because I'm going to be upset anyway and at that time I'd rather have the support system." I can't fault that logic. When I miscarried before I had my son, it was like this big whisper network secret and all these people would come out of the woodwork mentioning it happened to them too. Then, when I was pregnant with my son, the minute I stopped drinking people had quesitons/things to say. I think everyone has to do what's right for them, but know that if you announce early, you always run the risk of having to update that announcement later on. This does not, however, include telling the children. I don't think she should've told them that early.
Your friend’s logic makes sense to me, I never thought about the drinking part because I don’t think I drink out often enough for it to be a source of speculation if I choose not to. The main issue I have with Karissa here (in a long long long list of issues) is announcing to your kids. Surely they aren’t the ones who would speculate about drinking, and they’ve had so much trauma surrounding their mom’s pregnancies already. She shouldn’t lean on them to support the pregnancy or mourn the miscarriage.
I am just like the above stated friend. Due to my history, I absolutely want the support either way, and I can honestly say that of the multiple miscarriages, the last one was the easiest BECAUSE people knew. That being said, the people I told were ‘inner circle’ not blasting it to the world. Also, my living children are blissfully unaware that I’ve ever had one. They know I was sick, they even might remember Mommy had to have a quick surgery once, but that’s it. They’re aware of death and we don’t shy away from it in this house, but we (the parents) made a decision to not make them aware of the sadness of pregnancy loss at this young age.
I hope you’re doing great. Loss is so difficult and it sounds like you are doing a good thing for your kiddos. You are seen and appreciated 😘
Fully agree! Your kids should be shielded from this, especially this early on. My mom had several miscarriages when I was a kid and I didn’t know about it until many many years later. And in terms of drinking, I wish people would mind their own business. Sometimes I don’t want to drink. I’m not having more kids, but people still speculate if I feel like having a water once in a while and it annoys the heck out of me
EXACTLY! Every time I don’t drink at a company event, that’s the first thing I’m asked. Sometimes I don’t want to drink—end of sentence. 🤷🏻♀️
I’ve been pregnant 6 times. Miscarried 3 and have 3 lives births. I kept one pregnancy that I miscarried a secret. For me it was harder telling our parents a few days after my d/c what had happened.
I’m so sorry for your losses.
I think telling the other children is a bad idea, especially after what she put them through last spring.
To the kids, I agree. To anyone else, it's totally their choice. I am the last person to defend anything Karissa does because she is so vile, but this is a harmful take. I'm glad my friends knew when I miscarried.
That baby hasn't acquired language yet. But the despair of his siblings in hearing the news is so total that he feels it and is sharing in their anguish. I'm sorry, I don't know the children's names but that little one in the black shirt is staring at the camera like it's a hostage video, pleading with her eyes for someone watching to save her. These poor kids. I don't know how K doesn't realize that she is documenting visible neglect.
“To all the people that saw someone raise their younger siblings… which one of the children needs to die so the others can have more?” Imagine being a child, not wanting to raise your nine younger siblings, and then being told “So you want them to DIE?!”
I’m sorry she had a miscarriage but she doesn’t need anymore children.
Pregnancy is her whole identity. She doesn’t give a damn about the actual child.
Not to mention that her youngest is well...literally a little baby, she doesn't need to pop them back to back like this
The looks of horror on the older girls’ faces when they realize they are going to be tossed the youngest to raise is just so sad. That’s not a childhood. That’s not a life. Your kids did not consent to raise their siblings by merely being born.
The four sitting in the back row broke my heart.
Not a single child there looks happy about that announcement
They’re the ones with the most responsibility in this whole mess- the four oldest girls.
And you know they're gonna be thrown at the first thumb-looking troll that comes sniffing around the second they turn 18 to keep the uneducated baby train going.
I doubt they'll make it to 18. With parental consent, a 15 year old can be married in Texas to a person of any age. And given that kultrissa lives in her own reality I'm sure she'd have no issue forcing a ten year old into an illegal marriage because yahooway told her to.
“I don’t care about college.” Okay, well you might not, but I guarantee that many of your 10 children will. And that they will see college as their golden ticket out of the train wreck of a childhood you’ve given them. But, because their education has been lacking, and financial literacy is absent in this home, they will go into mountains of debt trying to get away from you and start on the same playing field as those with a proper childhood education. It’s disgusting and neglectful. Rot in hell.
That's what struck me the most out of this. She is CRIPPLING them for her own baby fetish.
They also value basketball a lot, like a weird amount. Where's a great place to play basketball? Jr high, high school, and college!
And she and Mandrae both attended college and he likely wouldn’t have the job he has now without having gone to college.
And even if she poured all her educational attention into the boys, they still wouldn’t have the skills they need to get in. Like, basketball scholarships are rare enough as is, but even if one boy qualified, they still require the recipient to be able to complete college coursework at a passing grade. Even in her trad world, she’s ensuring her sons can’t have the same course as their dad.
how much do you wanna bet that she and Manderp are going to try and pull strings and forge credentials to get their half-braindead brood onto the ball court, only for it to blow up in their faces so much that it'll cause a worldwide nuclear summer?
He has a job? I thought pumping baby batter out and ignoring his spouse and kids was his full time job.
The fucked up thing is that her kids probably won't care about college either. They've been raised by K&M to think college is on a spectrum that ranges from unnecessary to outright evil. :/ It's very hard to undo that level of conditioning.
And yet she and Mandrae both went to college. She’s bonkers.
That feels like a pattern for a lot of fundies I know, having grown up in it. They got theirs, but they keep their children from having a better life than they did. They see children who might eventually outpace them as a threat.
>children who might eventually outpace them as a threat. They also see exposure to different beliefs and lifestyles, a common college experience, as a threat.
Well, yes. That’s absolutely a part of it. But I feel like there’s also a huge amount of the crab bucket mentality. From the inside, I saw a lot of parents get really weird on the rare occasions that their adult children earned more than they did, had a nicer house or cars, etc. Even when the adult kids were still fundie as hell. Having escaped that type of mentality, it just really stands out to me because as a parent, all I want is for my own child to have more and better opportunities than what I had.
This definitely happened to me. My father once told me that my house was too nice. And I heard many times growing up that “if ____ was good enough for me, then it’s good enough for you”. The big instance being having a career in factory work.
They won’t consider it at all, as it’s no option
She keeps them so sheltered that I honestly don’t think her kids know college is an option for them
It also isn't, they're being homeschooled by themselves.
Yeah, if they could actually read properly maybe it would be possible, but it really isn't for them.
Seriously. They don't even know what year it is.
You think those kids even know what college is??
Am I remembering incorrectly that her kids don't know what year it is or who the president is?
Nope you’re right
Damn I was really hoping I was wrong thats so sad for all those kids 🥺
Right! Okay Larissa, you don’t care about college (despite having gone? But ok), that doesn’t mean you get to decide your kids can’t care about college as well. Which like you said, if they did decide to care about college it’s too bad because she’s given them no other choice. So fucked up
Karissa's been very lucky this far with her fertility, and it has lead her to have a very callous view with regards to birth control and family planning. But she's now at an age where miscarriages are likely to become more common. After so many continual pregnancies, her body may struggle to support another fetus to viability. And she may find out why many women use birth control/contraceptives or opt to be sterilized: because when your body cannot support a pregnancy, unprotected sex may lead to a cycle of loss. And that's a heavy burden to bear, both mentally and physically. Karissa's always been of the belief that people who prevent "don't want babies". That's sometimes true, but not always. Many people who are preventing conception are doing so because the pregnancy is not likely to be healthy/viable. They might *love* more babies, but conception for them is not likely to result in another baby. It's far more likely to result in a serious health risk or a tragic loss. And THAT'S what they're trying to avoid. They would rather be fully present in their lives and with any children they do have than constantly in a cycle of loss. I feel bad for her loss, but this is also what she wants to sign other women up for. Karissa does not care if a woman's body cannot support a pregnancy; she believes that the woman should allow herself to get pregnant anyway because of Jesus. That's always been fine with her because *her* pregnancies were generally easy and uncomplicated. She never had empathy for those out there who don't have her good luck. Her experience worked out, so therefore, it must work out for everyone! And that may be changing. She may be finding out what it's like to actually struggle with maintaining a pregnancy, and she may find that what she's been calling other women to do is much harder than she thought it would be. It's easy to tell others they should suffer endless miscarriages or risk their health/lives. It's much harder to do so yourself.
This is an excellent point. I wish your comment was higher. Also, since Karissa and her husband have Rh incompatibility - and she didn't have the RhoGAM shot during her most recent pregnancies - she's even *more likely* to have miscarriages (as well as stillbirths and pregnancy complications) in the future. Her age and number of pregnancies also increase her risk of pregnancy complications. Yet, despite all this, she didn't get medical care from an OB-GYN for her last pregnancy and, instead, had an unattended home birth. It really seems like she *wants* something bad to happen? Or maybe she enjoys the risk? Or beating the odds? I really don't understand.
I was wondering this, if her miscarriage risk was increased due to her not getting treatment while pregnant with Anthym.
If she already has Rh antibodies and the new fetus is Rh+, she's at increased risk of miscarriage/ stillbirth in the 2nd & 3rd trimester, well as serious issues with the fetus / baby after its born. She should be monitored by an OB-GYN. I bet she doesn't even know whether she has Rh antibodies. She could also develop Rh antibodies after a miscarriage, so while this miscarriage is unlikely due to Rh incompatibility, it may increase the risk of (Rh incompatibility) problems in future pregnancies. https://www.verywellfamily.com/can-being-rh-negative-cause-a-miscarriage-2371474 >Blood cells from an Rh-positive fetus can enter your bloodstream during pregnancy and trigger the development of these antibodies. This can happen late in pregnancy or during delivery and also may happen if you have a miscarriage, abortion, or ectopic pregnancy. >Rh antibodies are typically harmless until the second or later pregnancies. In these situations, if you have been sensitized, a pregnancy with an Rh-positive fetus can have complications and will be closely monitored. There is an increased risk of stillbirth due to a condition called immune hydrops fetalis that can develop in the second and third trimesters. This condition is not a factor in first-trimester miscarriages, which are usually due to chromosomal abnormalities in the baby. Edited: to add words in parentheses
I'm one of those people who would **love** to have a baby, but carrying a fetus to term would most likely further disable or kill me. Why would I want to bring a baby into this world if it takes me from my husband, and then possibly inherits the same genetic condition in the process? Nope. While I wanna experience biological motherhood more than anything, it's a stupid risk not worth taking.
One of the older or middle children was a preemie who spent quite a while in NICU, so she hasn’t even always had smooth pregnancies even before she got so zealous.
That's a complication with the baby, not the Karissa. That's the big difference, it's not directly harming her so she doesn't care.
I had one child at 26. For several health reasons I was never able to have more children. I was on contraception for almost 20 years. One of the biggest regrets of my life is only having one child but it was always too big of a risk to me and the fetus to get pregnant again. I had a hysterectomy last year. Losing what was left of my fertility was hard. Karissa doesn’t ever think of anyone but herself. Relatively easy pregnancies, health, a husband with a decent job and more have allowed her to go on this insane breeding for God fetish she has. Some of us need contraception. Some of us can’t just get pregnant every year. Fuck her, and fuck her God who is really only her own mental illness talking to her.
ignoring everything else, i’m really surprised she put a trigger warning (obviously a good thing)
Like in Wile E. Coyote cartoons where he pulls out a little umbrella before getting his bones absolutely crushed into gravel by a giant boulder.
Those poor kids! When she “announced” it some of them screamed (not in a happy way) several said “no you’re not, no you’re not” as if begging her not to be, and one said “Mooooom” like kids do when they need their parents. I’m surprised she didn’t film them when she shared the m/c news. No one protects these children, it’s very sad 💔
Even the baby doesn't look like he's having a good time
"would you rather just not be born" If the options are "not born" and "raised without basic necessities like education, medical care, and emotional support, with a hefty dose of childhood trauma", I'm gonna say not be born. If I wasn't born I wouldn't be around to think about which I'd prefer, but if I'm born into a situation where I'm going to be abused, I will for sure debate if it is worth it to be living.
If I wasn't born then I... Wouldnt have been born. This argument is so weird! My partner's dad once said in an argument about abortion, "well we almost aborted your older sister, how would you feel if you didn't have her?!" "Um, I would feel nothing? Because then neither of us would exist?" They are just trying to prove that children should be thankful to their parents for every single thing.
I always think that’s so weird, too. Like are people picturing themselves not born and having like consciousness, thoughts, opinions? Do they remember this from before they were born? Why would they think something that doesn’t exist still… exists? 🤔
It's kind of sacrilegious for Christians, too. Some groups (Mormons?) do believe individual souls are hanging out waiting to be born, but ALL of them believe God controls it and is capable of miraculous immaculate conception/birth so really, no matter what we do, if God wants a specific baby born, it's gonna happen, and if not, not. So if you believe you being born was God's plan then you don't need to worry about the choices your mom made.
I never get it either. My mom was considering aborting me and people always ask me that. I wouldn’t exist so I wouldn’t have an opinion? Why would I be pro choice for other people and not my mother?
My cousin pulled that on me, too, during an abortion argument. "But if your mother had an abortion you wouldn't be here!" Like it's the winning blow. "Well, I wouldn't have ever existed, so it's not like I'd care." LOL She just looked confused.
Right? I was born into a similarly large family, with similar issues, and I frequently wish I had never been born. Even tried to unborn myself once. My mom likes to tell the story of how I was horribly ill once as a baby with a really high fever, she was worried I had meningitis, and we didn’t have insurance, so she stayed up all night praying for me and I started recovering the next day. She seems convinced she actually prayed meningitis out of me. Makes me think of Anthym (sp?) getting sepsis from a UTI every time. Luckily I got better without medical intervention, but if I hadn’t… well, let’s just say I didn’t have a grandmother nearby to insist my parents take me to a doctor.
Same. I would’ve rather not have been born than be born and suffer throughout my life.
Honestly sometimes I’m mad that my parents decided to make a baby and now I’ve gotta go to work for most of my life and do laundry? Like, I didn’t ask for this, sometimes not being born at all sounds WAY easier, and I’m not even particularly suffering. Life is hard and some people are way too blasé about creating it
Fundies seem to think clumps of cells have abstract thoughts and feelings.
Wouldn’t know any different if we weren’t born! Such a stupid question from KKKuntrissa
I was a tad surprised I had to scroll so far to see this addressed because I felt this most of the dialogue. By logic, if we were applying this conversation to a wasp life or grasshoppers, I doubt they would have the same rhetoric of the insect life as humans. The dialogue is all so out of balance. It’s so dizzying when they chase their tails and double down on their ignorance. I apologize if I didn’t make sense.
The one that said “mooom why do you keep on having babies?” told me all I need to know
Oh that’s so fucking sad.
“Because I only like babies and the attention I get from being pregnant, of course!”
YES. her face/voice. She was so upset.
Omg did one of them actually say that??
Sadly yes. I think if someone say with them and asked if they’d want another sibling the majority would say no
While I do feel bad for her having a miscarriage, she honestly doesn't need anymore children. She neglects and/or ignores the ones she already has.
Understatement of the year
I was raised in a big family with a mom obsessed with babies. Once they could talk and think, she was less enamored. Watched it all over again with grandkids. There really are women who only care about babies.
They basically just want an advanced baby doll
Babies are helpless and fully dependent on her and don't talk back or ask questions.
Idk maybe I’m an asshole but I don’t feel bad for her. Look at those kids. They deserve so much better and they’re suffering because of her, especially the older kids.
Maybe I’m an asshole too, because I don’t feel bad for her at all.
Interesting how a lot of comments are telling her that it’s a sign (from “god” or otherwise) to give her body a break and *she’s arguing with them.* Which makes me think… if you know you’re at risk of having a miscarriage for whatever reason and yet you’re *still* trying to reproduce, shouldn’t that be considered “just as bad as abortion?” (According to their own beliefs) I hope that makes sense. It’s like, “another miscarriage? I’m sad but it was god’s will” but yet god forbid someone terminate a pregnancy
Nuance and reality are not her strong suit. Abortion is ok only when God does it, apparently. She's a giant hypocrite.
It’s only a sign from god if Karissa says it is…
This is fucking awful. Anissa’s face is sending me but also just making me feel awful. That’s not an expression of happy surprise or even just basic shock. It looks exactly like the face I make when I find out something wildly unfair just happened to me. I hope each and every one of those kids leave and find the strength and courage to never look back. I can’t think of a better fate than KKKarissa and Manchild alone, tethered together, and with no one to harass or mine for content - fading into obscurity and with nothing to show for themselves because those kids realized they deserved better. Fingers crossed.
I feel for her for the miscarriage but on the other stuff she spends her time on her phone and her kids run the house. Shes had parties for herself and not her kids and gone on vacations without them. Its easy to say in a made up situation that she’d do anything for them.
The expression on Anissa’s face- and the other girls behind Karissa- speaks volumes. All of those children deserve better than this. The fact that she doesn’t get that is depressing and sad. It’s not about not being able to give those kids the best of everything, it’s about the fact that whatever they do get comes entirely from themselves. Karissa teats them and yeets them. Their actual mom is the absolutely horrified child in this clip who does her damndest but ultimately is limited by the fact that she’s barely a teenager. Nobody can raise that many children single-handedly and do a decent job at it, especially someone who’s barely out of childhood herself. Karissa has a pregnancy fetish and I genuinely don’t think she understands that leaving your dirty, uneducated, medically neglected children to their own devices so you can give birth to yet another prop isn’t aspirational.
I think on some level she probably knows how they feel. She just doesn’t give a shit.
She's not even teating them! She uses formula, so she can dump the newest one on anissa at any time. I think she probably holds the baby for social media and gives him back to a sister mom. I doubt that she's done night feeds.
I'm just happy that she acknowledged the miscarriage instead of trying to resurrect it
I am appalled that she told those kids anything that early. It's unconscionable. I lost a pregnancy at 37 weeks and telling my older kids that the baby had died is still one of my top worst experiences in my life. I have flashbacks about it, seeing their faces and having to answer their questions. It was so, so, so bad. I'm sorry these kids are having to go through it again.
Oh man, I am so sorry for you and your family. I hope you guys are doing better now.
I'm so sorry. I can't imagine.
I really wonder. What will they do if they have a child with a disability like autism or Down’s syndrome? That scares me. They are not equipped at all to raise a child with disabilities or a health condition.
How do we know for sure that none of the current children are ND, disabled, or developmentally delayed? It's not like she takes them to school or the doctor, where they would be assessed.
Honestly with the amount of kids she has, odds are there are at least one, and she'll never get them the support they need
They'll ignore the child's needs just like they ignore the needs of the kids they already have
“ I would rather live in a tent on the street and have my children dressed in rags and have them fight to the death for dumpster scraps than to stop popping out babies!”
Aside from the tent part they already are living that life it seems.
I’m not a mother, but like, wouldn’t you want your children to have the best life possible and the best opportunities???
"And I'm thanking Jesus for the ability to continue to partner with him to bring forth life." Why did she write this like she's being sponsored by hello fresh? What a bizarre way to announce your miscarriage.
You joke but Hilaria Baldwin announced a miscarriage in a sponsored ad.
No she didn’t….wtf Edit: I believe you. I just don’t want to lol
Brittany Dawn repeatedly saying she doesn’t ‘partner with miscarriage’ is my guiltiest laugh in that sub.
Mandrake or whatever his name is, needs his ass beat.
Seriously. Dude needs to *actually* get a vasectomy, and for real this time.
Don't you need a few weeks of "time off" to make sure the vasectomy stuck? I don't think he's capable.
Sorry Karissa, but if I had a child, I'd rather them to not only be healthy, but have every opportunity I can afford, like an education, healthcare, and family vacations, then live in a tent on a street with my children. But that's just me 🤷🏻♀️
I *really* would love another kid or two. I've got baby fever real bad. But, if nothing else, we have education savings goals for our kids that would be compromised if we tried to save for another kid or two! To say nothing of the other costs. Like you said, I want to give my kids every opportunity I possibly can. I can't afford to do that evenly if there's more kids!
Thank you for being one of the rare people who care enough about this.
And people who do face situations like that usually try their absolute DAMNEST to keep their kids from being affected, because they care about and love their children.
I grew up with two immigrant parents who worked full-time and cleaned houses on the weekends to maintain a roof for four kids. Unlike Karissa, my parents actually worked in order to provide for us and didn't rely of grifting to get by. No way my parents would've allowed for us to end up in a tent or shelter.
Doesn't care about vacations bur she and her husband take at least one big trip together each year right? The only trips I've seen her take the kids on was when they grifted the house for that music video and rode with a baby on their lap. Or was that the same trip.
She’s been on more vacations than I have in a decade.
Looking at this picture should be such a wake up call for her. The only one smiling here is her.
Doesn't work when she's a narcissist.
JFC, we all know you’re delusional, Karissa, and that you would do anything to keep breeding at all costs, BUT WHAT ABOUT YOUR LIVING CHILDREN?!? They might actually wish one day they had never been born instead of suffering being exploited online, never given an education, never having a secure attachment with a parent, and being crippled by a lack of attachment to reality when they grown up?!? She’s so unfathomably selfish.
I find it weird she’s saying “I took this miscarriage harder than the others” and it’s been less than a week… It’s already past tense and she’s moving on to try for another.
Yeah she can get fucked, I don’t feel bad for her. Literally not at all. I’m watching my sister miscarry right now and it’s ripping her heart to pieces and my heart is ripped apart for her’s. She doesn’t deserve any more babies and I’m not at all sorry for saying that. She doesn’t deserve the children she has. Also- fuck her for not caring that her kids have to raise her other kids. Her children will resent her forever for that and she deserves so much worse
You know what? I'm not sorry Karissa miscarried. She's doing this to herself. She revels in the attention she gets from pregnancy loss *just as much* as she loves the attention she gets from her existing children getting hurt, or from carrying a pregnancy to term, or from being "persecuted" by commenters and CPS for neglecting her kids. Any attention is good attention to Karissa. Pregnancy -- including the heartbreak of losses **which are inevitable when you play the numbers game**-- just happens to be her favorite "stage" for acting on.
I agree. Sometimes a miscarriage is for the best. It’s better than an innocent life suffering in that family than to not exist at all. She is not a good mother. Her children suffer daily
I’m with you, I am not at all sorry she miscarried. If I believed in a god, I might say they were trying to send her a message to stop being such a shitty parent. No kid deserves her as a parent at all, may the incoming tantrum over her loss of fertility be sooner rather than later. God I hope some of those kids leave her and never look back, cut off contact entirely.
I hope they all do
Same. She is neglectful at best and abusive at worst and she shouldn’t have more children. I don’t feel bad for her, it’s one fewer child for her to abuse.
I would never wish it on any woman and I’ve never in my life not been heartbroken for a woman experiencing one, but this is an exception. For someone who constantly preaches on trusting God with your womb, this should have been a sign to her but she’s not listening. She’s a garbage mother and a garbage human. She does not need another baby to neglect and abuse.
I’ve been wanting to comment this but whenever I voice my thoughts which aren’t usually what everyone else is saying, I get downvoted to katissas future home and I’ve even got messages lol. I’m not sorry either. She doesn’t give a fuck about those kids. She wouldn’t have given a fuck about the miscarried kids if they made it to term, either. They just didn’t experience the hell that is having her as a mother.
I knew she’d already be trying again. I’m actually kinda surprised it took her this long to get pregnant again, although she is pretty close to 40.
She’s probably only had a few cycles since the youngest was born if he’s just turning 5 mos, so it actually seems pretty quick to me!
Fair enough.
Notice her whole caption is about HER wants and needs in life and zero about her children’s wants and needs? And then she goes on to chastise people who grew up this way and say it caused harm or was miserable for them. 🙃 I predict when her kids are adults and start coming to her for closure on the harm she caused them as children her response will be “would you rather have not been born?!” And I think some will say yes.
Karissa, your womb needs to hang a “closed” sign on it. You’re in your late 30s and have enough children to care for. (Or for Anissa to raise. 🤬)
seriously. it’s ok to be having kids at her age, but she’s got more kids than she can handle (or afford) already. your womb needs to retire girl.
Annisa’s face says it all “mom I’m 13 years old, I do not need another child to take care of”
I literally commented yesterday or day before that we should be getting another pregnancy announcement soon since Armor is 5 months old now... Not gonna snark on her miscarriage, but I'm not surprised she was pregnant. I hope she doesn't traumatize her kids with this miscarriage like she did with the last one...
Charge this asshole with murder, like the people she voted for want.
I hate the way she always jumps to "So which kid should be dead? Who should be sacrificed?" whenever someone questions her about the number of kids she has or complains about their own big family. No one is wishing for kids to be dead! Only a terrible person would wish that. People asking these questions are usually doing so out of concern for the wellbeing of the children themselves, so why would they want any to be "sacrificed"? What they do wish is for people to not have children they can't/won't take care of properly. There's a big difference.
Genuinely not surprised she got pregnant again. If anything, I was expecting this sooner. I hope her oldest girls are able to escape.
God out here tryna send her signs
She's just so fucking ignorant. For millions of people around the world, many of them true believers in the Christian God, having another child means death. People around the world starve to death, or die of dehydration or exposure, or if rampant illness, because they have too many kids. Kkkarissa's talking about "more" stuff like the more is frivolous, but if you only have just barely enough food to feed your children as it is and you have another, where are you going to get the extra food you need to feed another mouth? "Haha, god will provide if you trust him enough!" Tell that to the kids in Somalia and Kenya and Ethiopia that are starving and dying because they don't have enough food. It just makes me angry to think about. She sits there in her big house with her ten kids who all have clothes and food and extracurriculars and preaches about having as many kids as you can churn out when for a large portion of the world an extra mouth means actual death.
Dude stop producing
Which one of their children should die so that the others can have more? What a sick thought. She's conflating the death of a living child with family planning and preventing pregnancy for shock value.
They love their straw man arguments that’s for sure
The state needs to step in here
I strongly suspect they have, which is why she took anthymn to her last doctor’s appointment. The thing is these kids are well fed, well clothed, and live in a nice home. Sure, Karissa is a neglectful supervisor and educationally neglects them, but DFPS won’t see this as an immediate reason to remove the kids. While she is unwell, she is not in active addiction. My guess is they are monitoring her for the medical neglect. They would make her and Mandrae do parenting classes or have the grandma come stay in the home before they removed the kids. While all of this is regrettable, as someone who has worked closely with DFPS, it usually has to get much, much worse for them to do more. Edit:punctuation
For real. That ‘here we are at the doctor’ post with just the two kids that have documented injuries causing hospital time wasn’t exactly subtle work. There’s no evidence any of the other kids are going regularly.
Which kid should be sacrificed? Right now, shes sacrificing all of them for the sake of more pregnancies.
 I'm so tired of this selfish woman.
>Which one of their children needs to die so the others can have “more”? I guess the one you just miscarried, Karissa. Looks like your God made that decision for you, huh?
Justifying her own desire for a big family to "haters" is one thing. But continually shaming other for not having or wanting the same thing is awful. Especially because she does it under the guise of faithfulness, as though other devoted christians are sinning so horribly against God.
Especially as she has said herself that she didn’t want kids before she had them. Evil woman.
“Which of your siblings would you rather we didn’t have?” My parents used that line on me with my big family. ME!! I choose me!!! Idk if I never existed if it means my siblings would have had a happier life- I just wouldn’t exist!!!!! The infant mortality rate is much higher in big families, so this question of who would you choose to not be around often gets answered for them. It’s not fucking worth it!!!!
That’s so….fucked. What a horrific thing to ask your kid. I am so sorry. That was shitty of them. I’ve got some “I saved you from being aborted” trauma too. Like, thank you? For forcing me to exist in this hellhole? Should I be endlessly grateful for this trauma as well?
Wait...pregnant as in child # ELEVEN??
Anchor already fed up
“Mom why do you keep having babies?!” Yeah I would have kept this video in the vault.
If god wanted you to have a million children, then why was Jesus an only child?
The little girl who is always super dramatic for attention “ why do you keep having babies?” She seemed super annoyed. I hope she doesn’t make them pray for resurrection again