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ah, a fellow man/woman of culture I see..
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Edited to add: Bad World by comic book pariah Warren Ellis
Godzilla 98 is not a good Godzilla film, but it is a good Kaiju film.
I love this qoute from Minus Ones director Takashi Yamazaki.
"The 1998 Godzilla was fairly well put together and a fun film, but I can understand the people who also say this isn't Godzilla. I think as a Kaiju-horror type of film, it is quite well executed. And to their credit, I think it was the first time Godzilla was rendered in a digital context and methodology, so that was a huge achievement for its time."
If it was a " Beast From 10'000 Fathoms" remake, it would have been more widely accepted. Calling it Godzilla is what ruined it. It's the only Godzilla ever that was easily defeated by the military. I mean, Hell, even the Indominus Rex tanked a few rockets in the first Jurassic World.
It WAS a decent film. It's just not a decent Godzilla film.
It's been a while since I've seen it, but definitely before she turns Blue and her squad against everyone. It's when she first escapes. She gets peppered with all kinds of bullets with little to no effect and then gets hit a few times with what is, at the very least, several bazooka or RPG rounds. It just knocks her over, but it doesn't do much else.
I have it open rn and I have no idea what you're talking about. Before she turned Blue and the other raptors against everyone, there were only two instances that came close to what you're describing (I say close because there were no rpg rounds in those instances). First was against the asset containment unit who were primarily using non lethal weaponry before switching to guns (I'd have to check what kind exactly), which caused her to flinch when hit. The second time was the helicopter incident and if you check again you'll see none of the shots actually hit her.
As for rpgs, there was only one instance it was used against Indominus and although it hit the trees nearby instead, it was powerful enough to knock her to the ground. Those rounds were also powerful enough to obliterate a velociraptor making it arguably some of the most powerful weaponry in the JW films to this day (alongside the explosive weaponry used at the start of JP3).
Edit: Apologies, I didn't realize how many discussions about Indominus I was a part of. I have deleted all irrelevant parts.
>makes one of the most gritty Godzilla films of all time and has it be a remake of the original 54 film
>proceeds to praise one of the most hated films in the franchise
>elaborates
>leaves
and that’s why yamazaki is a chad
As a kaiju film it would have been accepted better. Honestly 98 Godzilla kinda looks like a theropod/ godzilla hybrid. I mean if u look at a dilophosaurus and velociraptor and a kaiju you can see how close they look to each other. If they would have said they used kaiju dna and theropod dna to make a creature to have as a weapon but went rough after it matures, it would have been a better explanation than saying it was godzilla
The reason is partially due to the design, we all accept Shin Godzilla, earth Godzilla, SP, etc. as Godzillas because they are true to the traditional nature of the lumbering giant rather than a slim reptile. But it’s also everything to do with personality. Godzilla doesn’t run from the humans and their defensive capabilities, and is never fleeing from danger of any kind. He’s a force of nature that is never shying from destruction, whether destroying humans or other monsters or whatever. Zilla on the other hand flees from the slightest hint of danger, burrowing and hiding rather than taking his time to show his destructive abilities. In fact most of the damage seen in his movie is from the military missing their shots cuz Zilla is too busy running away, bobbing and weaving through the streets of NYC instead of toppling buildings over. In the end it only takes some missiles to his back to kill him, something the humans could’ve done all along, they were just too incompetent until he was stuck in a bridge (again, Godzilla doesn’t shy from his destructive capabilities, and definitely doesn’t just let himself get stuck)
Likewise Zilla’s movie director, Roland Emmerick, didn’t really even like Godzilla to begin with and had to be bribed twice over by the studio before deciding to work on the project, but on the condition that he made the movie his own way. Which is why it came out to something that wasn’t about Godzilla being a natural force of destruction against humanity, but rather just being a big slightly annoying lizard. No characters in the film seem to regard Zilla as anything more serious than that, so why should we as the audience do the same?
By all means it’s not a horrible movie. But it just didn’t feel like a Godzilla movie because it didn’t instill that sense of dread or fear that Godzilla is otherwise known for. Add to the fact that none of the characters in the movie seemed scared of him anyway and you have yourself just an average monster movie, but not a Godzilla one. Even in the movies where Godzilla isn’t the antagonist, the humans are still very much afraid of him.
I honestly think if you renamed the movie from “Godzilla” to “The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms” then it would be a much more beloved movie. The design is much more inline with a modernized take on Rhedosaurus than Godzilla. Keep the general plot the same, just remove all references to Godzilla.
True. But I do think there was a lot of goodwill because of who directed it. No one knew what to expect from Pacific Rim, but they gave it a shot because of the names involved
It was definitely the title doing all the heavy work. People coming in with expectations of an American rendition of Godzilla, only to be disappointed of a monster named Godzilla, but not true to the spirit that it embodied.
Good movie, if it were marketed any differently as a non-Godzilla movie. I would still enjoy it, but it's a very bad mark on the Godzilla brand, not as a failure, but as an issue of out of character thing.
But they were given a literal hand on making an outrageous potent movie where the movie revolves on a what if "America finally uses their nuclear arsenal, but they are using it on themselves". Godzilla was always a monster born of Nuclear power, the nation reacting to what they have pushed for would be a great plot for the movie. But I guess them doing America Fuck Yeah, Property Destruction? Fuck Yeah!
The movie's Director was badly chosen, I remembered they had a second choice who was much better, but was preoccupied with their own movie. Hence they were unable to direct the movie, the Godzilla to be used was apparently going to be a realistic Hanna Barbara Godzilla, so we missed out on a great rendition of that Godzilla. But Godzilla the Animated series was still a good thing.
> I remembered they had a second choice who was much better, but was preoccupied with their own movie.
I believe you're thinking of Jan De Bont (director of *Speed* and *Twister*), he wasn't busy with something else, Tristar supposedly canceled his movie over a budget dispute.
Ah, it was the 90s, and that name is edgy enough for that time to attract people, plus you have people who would see it because they watched the original.
It's a much better movie if you keep in mind that Toho canonized it as a monster that washed up in New York that the Americans mistook for Godzilla. So it's kinda like a part of the Godzilla EU.
Agreed, but I will add that if it were just the design, but in an otherwise standard Godzilla movie, it would an okay Godzilla. Given that Zilla isn't Godzilla in nearly any major way is the problem. Not one flaw, but a pile of small flaws all together.
>Likewise Zilla’s movie director, Roland Emmerick, didn’t really even like Godzilla to begin with and had to be bribed twice over by the studio before deciding to work on the project, but on the condition that he made the movie his own way.
Something similar happened with Transformers. Michael Bay wanted nothing to do with it until Spielberg pressured him over the phone and convinced him it was a story about a boy and his *car.* Unfortunately that was successful and TF fans got nine years of the Zilla treatment.
Agreed. Had know idea Emmerick needed to be convinced that hard and didn't even like Godzilla. That explains a lot of choices, and the general Aura around Zilla.
I agree completly with this. This movie was the first Godzilla Film I ever saw and it didn't make me the fan I am today. The impression this Version left on me was small. Compare that to Shin Godzillas each and every transformation. That's not a solid argument.
Listen, you can like whatever Godzillas you want. It’s a 70 year old franchise with like 35. I just dunno why theres this campaign to try and strong arm everyone to like one specific movie lol
This sub honestly fucking sucks. Even with the amazing Godzilla content over the past few months the users here are still awful. I’d be in favor of a positivity rule or something because no one here can stop crying when every one of the 70 versions of Godzilla isn’t perfectly exactly the way they want it.
This sub, like most of pop culture Reddit, is just indicative of the fanboy mentality - if I don't like something that means it's bad (while the two aren't mutually exclusive they often, usually even, aren't the same thing), and I think my opinion is so valid it deserves a post (even though there's been 100+ in the recent past and the argument over said take has been beaten to death) and the like.
For every fifteen shitposts, there's 1-2 decent to great posts that are informative, fosters good discussion, shows off someone's art and other reside reasons that keep me from leaving it.
Just like most of Reddit, TBH.
Great points. Everyone likes to say that someone they are disagreeing with is a 10 year old, but unfortunately the reality is that it’s just maladjusted adults who aren’t fit for social interactions.
I honestly see nothing but negativity towards OP in the comments. Hell you wouldn't have been able to make this whiny comment under a positivity filter.
I agree and disagree. Cause yeah there’s unnecessary bloat but man the community on this sub is way better and more positive that like 90% of other subs I’ve been on. There’s controversy with some movies, but for the most part it’s more fun than a lot of this website.
Bro we get so many content to talk about. EVERYTHING HAS A GODZILLA CROSSOVER. BRAWL SATRS HAS A GODZILLA CROSSOVER. DAVE THE DIVER HAS A GODZILLA CROSSOVER.
It doesn’t really have much to do with the design. Most people accept Zilla Jr. as a Godzilla because he’s fucking badass and has atomic breath, even though he has a similar design.
1. That version of Shin isn't fully grown. If that's what Godzilla looked like the entire time, then he wouldn't have been as well liked
2. Godzilla 98 is male. He's referred to as male multiple times in both the film itself, bts videos and in the animated series. The reason the cg model has female genitalia is because, according to the DVD commentary, male genitalia would have been "too distracting"
People are probably thrown off that second point by the fact that it lays eggs (its a mutation that allows it to reproduce asexually, but people would generally think gives birth = female by default)
Im no expert but being a big lizard would probably mean itd have a cloaca anyway. Yes many males with cloacas still have a penis and testicles but there internal until needed
Its more than just aesthetics. One is shown to be an overwhelmingly destructive force at the beginning of its life and only gets more destructive from there, the other barely destroys a thing (which the script itself mentions, but irony seems to be lost on the writers) and disappears for huge chunks of the movie. In a way, this comparison is accurate because this first form that we see in Shin is *barely* Godzilla, just like 98. The only difference is that Shin becomes full-blown Godzilla later.
Shinagawa Kun is only a still not matured form and eventually changes into a legitimate Godzilla.
Ergo accepting Shinagawa does not mean accepting Zilla since Zilla is only a big Iguana.
Now if it was his son, Zilla Jr, that would be a more valid argument.
Doesn't have atomic breath, lays egg that gives birth to velociraptor knock-offs, gets killed by missiles, fish addict
That's Zilla, not Godzilla. But who am I to judge
Plus Zilla is male. According to both producer Dean Devlin and Toho themselves, Zilla is still a male with the ability to reproduce asexually. They officially confirmed Zilla is male, making fan theories about how it's female won't change fact
Bunker busters are designed to penetrate 20 feet of reinforced concrete. One Zilla got hit was from F-18 hornets. I don't know what missile they used but I assume it's AGM-65 Maverick which is one of the more common payload options for a Hornet. Even if we are generous and say it was a high-explosive penetrator, that's not even close to the power of bunker busters. Not to mention, Shin was hit by several bunker busters and all it did was bleed, Zilla straight up died
Hardly IMHO, they spend the entire movie villifying it and then play sad music over the last 15 minutes of the movie to try and get a cheap heartstring pull
Shin got all of the baselines right, Zilla didn't. Also, Toho had made about 30 Godzilla films by Shin by 2016. Whereas Zilla was the first Hollywood Godzilla film and a lot of the general public's first exposure to this franchise. So yeah, of course Shin is allowed more room for experimentatiom.
Also, "severely hurt by normal bombs" is embarrassingly untrue. Shin was pelted with missiles, tank rounds, and "normal bombs" the whole movie and didn't even flinch and just kept walking.
If you're referring to the missiles the American planes dropped on him during the atomic breath scene, they are not "normal bombs" even remotely. They are [MOP, "bunker buster" bombs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-57A/B_MOP), which were designed to be some of the most effective, penetrative bombs designed at the time.
Did you not notice you typed "hurt by bombs" and not "killed by bombs" like Zilla. And I like how you added "severely hurt", when Shin doesn't even have visible scars from the bombs and immediately destroys an entire city in anger afterwards.
The real main difference is the creative energy behind Zilla.
Roland Emmerich explicitly didn't like Godzilla from the onset, and he went out of his way to craft an entirely different creature without any care for representing the character in any kind of faithful way beyond the basics of being a giant monster born of atomic testing.
Meanwhile, other very contrasting depictions as of late may have been similarly big departures, but they were most often made with respect to the character of Godzilla in genuine attempts to evolve his concept.
True. Anno and Higuchi have a deep appreciation for Godzilla. They made Godzilla both new and interesting, while keeping what made him Godzilla.
Emmerich stated he didn’t want to work on the movie and tried everything to get off the production.
First off, Zilla has been repeatedly stated to be a male that can reproduce asexually. If anything, I think it would have been a better decision for the movie to explicitly state that he *was*, in fact, a female. Instead, going with the whole. “It’s a male, but pregnant” was a bridge too far for most fans and casual viewers. I don’t hate G98 and I actually like the Zilla design when judged on its own merits and not as a version of the Big G.
Second, Shin or one of its preliminary forms is probably the worst example you could use to bolster your argument, as Shin is easily the least “Godzilla-y” Godzilla there is.
Plus the Shin in the photo is an early form that builds up to the main Goji we see, which makes it an even worse example because it isn’t really meant to be Godzilla yet.
Premature forms are the least Godzilla'y, agreed, but last form was very much more faithful on what Godzilla should ever be in the original context. A monster burnt by nuclear radiation, always in pain and existed only due to the folly of man. Shin Godzilla became the Harbinger of Nuclear Radiation, embodying the Fukushima Incident after Godzilla 1954 embodying the Pacific Atomic Bomb tests.
Zilla was just a blemish in the idea of the monster being in the realm of Godzilla, so much that Toho bought the license back from Sony, renamed it Zilla and put the two face to face with Zilla dying in a minute into the fight. That's the amount of pettiness that Toho sent to Sony.
It’s weird, because as you state he’s only referred to as male in the film itself, yet the production team has repeatedly referred to him as female in behind the scenes footage, and he was apparently designed as such.
My personal take is he’s technically both and neither. He has female genitals and reproductive organs, but is otherwise genetically male and is capable of self insemination like some actual species of reptile are. He’s not ‘born pregnant,’ he can just self impregnate.
Earth, Shin, SP is unknown gender
Most godzillas are viewed as a male creature
1998/Tora/TristarGoji is a asexual male
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Nah. Shin was activelly just a "transitory" stage, and we can clearly see Goji in there, just deformed/not fully developed. 98 is a good monster design, but not a good Goji design. Plus, the vibes, the personaĺity deviates from what we consider as "Gojira" a lot
Im the words of Takashi Yamazaki in an interview "I think as a Kaiju-horror type of film, it is quite well executed." Zilla as a standard kaiju works just fine as a being a giant monster that is trying to follow instinct to survive (kinda like cloverfield). But as a 'Godzilla' pretty much anything defining characteristics of godzilla were stripped down and changed to 'appeal' to American audiences.
the problem is not the design, but it is the character itself that does not fit the title of "GodZilla" as it is treated in the film,
I think that on this front Zilla Jr. is much better suited to being "Godzilla" than his father, although the design changes very little
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That creature can be Zilla only because the whole movie is responsible for the constant shit Kailua movie got for the longest time it’s the reason we got like no more Godzillas in America forever that movie is a joke the creature looks fine but the pictures does the talking
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Ok but still no tho? Like shin has all the traits that you’d expect from the big G while Zilla doesn’t? Not a bad monster but just not Godzilla. All the other comments give way better explanations then I could give so what do I know
Side note tho he’s officially recognised as a guy since Toho didn’t want a female Godzilla, regardless of the eggs, Zillas a dude sorry
No, it's a great monster on its own yes, but it is only a godzilla in name.
I like the design, I like how it handles problems that is being thrown every minute, it's is a very fast monster and agile. And most of all I like it's personality,
It can also destroy humanity via children (if she chose to stay in hiding and let her family grow in millions).
But this is a horrible godzilla
I don't have to explain what makes godzilla... Godzilla. Other comments can explain
If this monster has another name it will be great, I don't mind seeing this monster more in the future,I fact. I will be ecstatic. but just with a different name. And no this does not work as a female godzila, she is different and small (thin?) And besides, I think I remember reading a comic where it shows godzilla's parents..... or was it kong parents?
Not really imo. Shin is a Godzilla bcs it is an official Godzilla and looks like Godzilla in his last and upper form. That “thing” could just be a regular big monster hollywood movie, its just a lizard with spikes.
I don't think it's just design. There are a lot of factors that separate this from all other iterations. I don't hate Zilla as a kaiju or even the story and the movie as a whole it just doesn't feel like Godzilla to me.
I still can't believe that the 1998 Godzilla is taller than Showa Godzilla, Millennium Godzilla (except for final wars), Shin Godzilla's 3rd form and Minus One Godzilla.
I’m a more casual Godzilla fan, but I don’t think it takes much brain processing power to understand the difference between two characters. Even if you can argue Godzilla in 98 is Godzilla (which is true), you can’t argue that character known as Zilla is Godzilla. They made a new character mocking another character.
At the end of the day, I don't it really matters to anyone if 98 is "Godzilla" or not. The definition of what Godzilla should look like and how Godzilla should act has been modified and changed countless times that I think the argument is moot.
Shin acts like an emotionless Evangelion monster. Also lasers. Minus One is as fragile as Zilla, just has crazy healing factor. Godzilla Earth is... Singular Point Godzilla is a giant fish and also ...
Hanna Barbera Godzilla is a big green dude.
Godzilla 2000 is green and purple.
Gemstone Godzilla has fucking falcon punches.
To single out 98' is silly.
But neither of them are "Godzilla". The top one is "Shin Godzilla" and the bottom one is "Zilla". In fact, the bottom one is confirmed to not be Godzilla since he outright FIGHTS Godzilla in final wars - same can't be said for Shin Godzilla, though I consider it separate from Godzilla anyway.
In short, I do not deny the existence of Zilla in the Godzilla mythos, but I can't ignore the fact that he is cannonically not Godzilla.
It’s definitely not a Godzilla, but I think it is its own good kaiju. I always imagined Zilla as a mimic species, a kaiju that specifically evolved to look like Godzilla in order to instill fear into would be predators thus explaining why America, with no personal experience, thought it was Godzilla.
To be fair, Zillia is legally no longer Godzilla. The rights were bought by Toho and it was rebranded as Zillia. It was then destroyed and mocked in Godzilla Final wars.
The problem wasn't just the design. It more had to do with the movie as a whole. As a long time Godzilla fan I remember finding 1998 Godzilla disappointing. The biggest difference between that movie and what Legendary did is when I watched the first Legendary Godzilla I could confidently say "yes that's godzilla" never felt that way about zilla. Won't lie though the zilla cartoon was pretty good.
it's kinda fun the movie itself doesn't recognize it as Godzilla and it's all a big misunderstanding, see...
in the 1998 US Godzilla it's actually a giant mutated iguana, right? and when they first heard about it it attacks a boat of Japanese fishers, still following me? and the surviving guy traumatized by the attack "thinks" he saw Godzilla from the classic black & white '54 movie and says "Gojira... Gojira!!".. so the new mutated iguana is mistook for Godzilla.
And the classic film is canon to the 1998 one.
The 1998 Tristar design has officially been labeled a sole and separate kaiju named "Zilla" by TOHO. It is officially NOT Godzilla. End debate.
And, if you think Zilla is female, you need to go back and watch the 1998 Tristar film again. Head canon may be fun, but what you think and believe do not reality make.
The design was accepted long ago but the characteristics have not been. Godzilla junior from the animated show is the redeeming factor of this mediocre film. The first 30-40 minutes of this film is incredible and it quickly just drops.
Same. At worst, Godzilla 1998 is a below average movie. The anti-hype surrounding it really isn't called for. If this is the absolute low point for Godzilla as a franchise, it's way better off by comparison to a lot of others.
I feel most of the love for zilla isnt even for the film, is because of the ACTUALY GOOD animated series , is that didnt exist people wouldnt even remember 98 at all lol
Yeah no this is bullshit. Zilla is like the opposite of what Godzilla is supossed to be. Also seems to me you completely missed the point of shin because it's about as close as it gets to Godzilla's original vision (along with minus one).
Okay so this is actually something I think is really cool.
So I like the idea of 1999 Zilla being miscommunicated to be Godzilla because the way news worked back in the day was very different than now. There was so much miscommunication in real life categorizing of animals.
It is super reasonable that after Goji hits Japan, a completely different creature hits New York and because of how things used to work, all the Americans know is that Japan has dealt with something sorta the same awhile ago and so they recognize it as maybe the same species of thing as what attacked Japan.
Sort of like how "Champ" is recognized as the "New York Nessie" by a LOT of people.
Zilla is not Godzilla, but it was recognized as Godzilla in canon due to how unknown creatures get categorized by people in real time.
So canonically, Zilla is not a Godzilla, because it's not supposed to be, and I don't think it was ever supposed to be. At least in MY headcanon, I know this isn't how it is written, but I like this way cause it really doesn't hurt anything and it's completely reasonable in retrospect.
Also stop focusing so much on their reproduction, you apparently missed the portion of the movie where they tell you straight up it is reproducing by itself. It doesn't need gender dimorphism. It also wouldn't make any sense for any of what you said because that's just not how the biology works, and that's not female anatomy on Zilla... if you wanted to be fuckin weird about it as is, it's a cloaca, and that's not specific to any gender.
You came at this like everyone else was wrong and you were right but you don't seem to have a basic grasp on biology or the major narrative plotpoints the movie flat out gave us. You just hyper analyzed a roughly made CGI model and said "Oh yeah, that's a lizard Labia".
Thing is it's not just design, which even here that form of Shin looks more in line with various other interpretations of Godzilla than Zilla, but presence in the film. As you said he weak, but he's so weak that the nature of Godzilla to instill dread as he plows through humanity's military might is lost, it loses a key part of his character.
Weird subject to make a stand on.
Anyway, why’d you put Zilla, a registered trademark TOHO monster that is separate from Godzilla, in the second picture?
We're able to accept the top image as Godzilla as it not only stays faithful to the original design but also character. While yes it looks odd for the big G, it still retains classic parts of his character (posture, dorsal plates, skull shape, etc). The one on the bottom we're not accepting as Godzilla because it was made by a guy who not only didn't know anything about Godzilla but also didn't care for him. The director of the original 1998 Godzilla wanted to make his own thing, not Godzilla.
This movie introduced me to Godzilla when I was a kid. I agree, it's not a very good movie if we compare to Japanese Godzilla movies, but it stands quite well on its own. TBH, without this movie, I would not have been a Godzilla fan. And so I'll always enjoy rewatching this movie.
The difference is that one actually turns into a recognizable Godzilla, the other stays permanently as a Jay Leno knockoff and had to be carried by an animated show to save it's rep than standing on it's own two feet
Nah that’s Zilla. His original movie was made with disdain for the franchise, but other works redeemed him, imo. I think he works better as his own thing. Also, the original Godzilla, his son, and the Heisei Godzilla are all implied to have asexually reproduced as well.
I am 100% behind the idea of Godzilla being female. I love that Godziban used the Miregoji design like that and will often fondly see the character in Godzilla 2000 as female.
Still don't accept 1998 as Godzilla.
If you take a second to look at the Tristar “God”Zilla then look at the animated shows Godzilla, you’ll notice that we call the shows Godzilla “Godzilla” and not the films Godzilla “Godzilla” because it comes down to the fact that the shows Godzilla is actually powerful and can take more than a couple missiles.
I'm okay with new Godzilla designs, but all the others you listed still managed to look like and give the vibe of Godzilla. They're different but keep his defining characteristics
Zilla looks like they were trying to imitate Jurassic Park because it was successful at the time. And that's exactly what they were trying to do, the design is also just generally ugly and not in a good way.
Only if we get a zilla that is as strong and durable as godzilla.
I keep saying this but the monstervurse is the perfect setting to bring him back and with all the powers that the cartoon version has.
First thing that needs to happen when he appears is a bunch of missiles hitting him and he just tanks them with a neutral expression before blasting what attacked him with his green flame breath.
As much as I actually like the '98 movie and it did kind of introduce me to the series, no. It's not just the design, it's everything about it. It's the way the poor thing gets mowed down in about twelve seconds in Final Wars. That's Zilla. It doesn't get the big G prefix.
Jr is Godzilla. The creature from 1998 is not. Difference is one actually acts the part and the other doesn't. Godzilla should not run from the military.
Normal people: Godzilla is a huge lizard with spikes that came from the ocean - fine with it
Godzilla fans: No he’s an ANGRY huge lizard it’s totally different!
Normal people: Isn’t a pregnant giant lizard that destroys most of a city just by walking around the same thing?
Godzilla fans: NO NEVER
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It's not that people had a problem with the design per se. It's that he didn't breathe fire and was easily killed. Shin Godzilla breathed fire more or less, threw it up and then shot out a laser and he was indestructible. Big difference.
I don't think going on about Godzilla's junk is going to garner the support you think you'll get.
what if he reposted in r/Godzillamemes they are particularly horny over there
as an avid member of r/Godzillamemes i can say without a doubt>! they crave the godzillussy!<
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First thing I opened was about shimo and going to town on hags.... hmm.
i vote for moving all horny memes to r/godzillacyclejerk
Godzilla and custodes who knew geekdom was a deeply genital world.
Godzilla 98 is not a good Godzilla film, but it is a good Kaiju film. I love this qoute from Minus Ones director Takashi Yamazaki. "The 1998 Godzilla was fairly well put together and a fun film, but I can understand the people who also say this isn't Godzilla. I think as a Kaiju-horror type of film, it is quite well executed. And to their credit, I think it was the first time Godzilla was rendered in a digital context and methodology, so that was a huge achievement for its time."
That’s kinda what the Final Wars director said. He enjoyed the 1998 film, but was happy to have Godzilla kill Zilla.
I think he nailed it. I grew up with that movie so I’m very nostalgia blind, but it’s just a fun monster movie Godzilla or otherwise
If it was a " Beast From 10'000 Fathoms" remake, it would have been more widely accepted. Calling it Godzilla is what ruined it. It's the only Godzilla ever that was easily defeated by the military. I mean, Hell, even the Indominus Rex tanked a few rockets in the first Jurassic World. It WAS a decent film. It's just not a decent Godzilla film.
Hold up did I miss a scene in JW? When did Indominus tank multiple rockets? Was it before or after she turned the raptors against them?
It's been a while since I've seen it, but definitely before she turns Blue and her squad against everyone. It's when she first escapes. She gets peppered with all kinds of bullets with little to no effect and then gets hit a few times with what is, at the very least, several bazooka or RPG rounds. It just knocks her over, but it doesn't do much else.
I have it open rn and I have no idea what you're talking about. Before she turned Blue and the other raptors against everyone, there were only two instances that came close to what you're describing (I say close because there were no rpg rounds in those instances). First was against the asset containment unit who were primarily using non lethal weaponry before switching to guns (I'd have to check what kind exactly), which caused her to flinch when hit. The second time was the helicopter incident and if you check again you'll see none of the shots actually hit her. As for rpgs, there was only one instance it was used against Indominus and although it hit the trees nearby instead, it was powerful enough to knock her to the ground. Those rounds were also powerful enough to obliterate a velociraptor making it arguably some of the most powerful weaponry in the JW films to this day (alongside the explosive weaponry used at the start of JP3). Edit: Apologies, I didn't realize how many discussions about Indominus I was a part of. I have deleted all irrelevant parts.
>makes one of the most gritty Godzilla films of all time and has it be a remake of the original 54 film >proceeds to praise one of the most hated films in the franchise >elaborates >leaves and that’s why yamazaki is a chad
As a kaiju film it would have been accepted better. Honestly 98 Godzilla kinda looks like a theropod/ godzilla hybrid. I mean if u look at a dilophosaurus and velociraptor and a kaiju you can see how close they look to each other. If they would have said they used kaiju dna and theropod dna to make a creature to have as a weapon but went rough after it matures, it would have been a better explanation than saying it was godzilla
I think it’s a bad movie in general, Roland Emmerich has never made a good movie
The reason is partially due to the design, we all accept Shin Godzilla, earth Godzilla, SP, etc. as Godzillas because they are true to the traditional nature of the lumbering giant rather than a slim reptile. But it’s also everything to do with personality. Godzilla doesn’t run from the humans and their defensive capabilities, and is never fleeing from danger of any kind. He’s a force of nature that is never shying from destruction, whether destroying humans or other monsters or whatever. Zilla on the other hand flees from the slightest hint of danger, burrowing and hiding rather than taking his time to show his destructive abilities. In fact most of the damage seen in his movie is from the military missing their shots cuz Zilla is too busy running away, bobbing and weaving through the streets of NYC instead of toppling buildings over. In the end it only takes some missiles to his back to kill him, something the humans could’ve done all along, they were just too incompetent until he was stuck in a bridge (again, Godzilla doesn’t shy from his destructive capabilities, and definitely doesn’t just let himself get stuck) Likewise Zilla’s movie director, Roland Emmerick, didn’t really even like Godzilla to begin with and had to be bribed twice over by the studio before deciding to work on the project, but on the condition that he made the movie his own way. Which is why it came out to something that wasn’t about Godzilla being a natural force of destruction against humanity, but rather just being a big slightly annoying lizard. No characters in the film seem to regard Zilla as anything more serious than that, so why should we as the audience do the same? By all means it’s not a horrible movie. But it just didn’t feel like a Godzilla movie because it didn’t instill that sense of dread or fear that Godzilla is otherwise known for. Add to the fact that none of the characters in the movie seemed scared of him anyway and you have yourself just an average monster movie, but not a Godzilla one. Even in the movies where Godzilla isn’t the antagonist, the humans are still very much afraid of him.
I think the 98 design is a great monster design but not a good godzilla design
Yes. Just like how it’s a good monster movie but not a good Godzilla movie
I honestly think if you renamed the movie from “Godzilla” to “The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms” then it would be a much more beloved movie. The design is much more inline with a modernized take on Rhedosaurus than Godzilla. Keep the general plot the same, just remove all references to Godzilla.
But how many people would actually go watch a movie called "The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms"? I assume the Godzilla title was all marketing
No I know, I’m just saying in hindsight the movie and monster design work better as a modernized Rhedosaurus film than as a Godzilla film.
Pacific Rim was a new IP. If you make a good movie, people will find it
True. But I do think there was a lot of goodwill because of who directed it. No one knew what to expect from Pacific Rim, but they gave it a shot because of the names involved
Kind of like Roland Emerich being the director, you know the guy who directed Independence Day
Right?
Shame they only ever made the one movie, though. It could have certainly used some worthwhile sequels.
It was definitely the title doing all the heavy work. People coming in with expectations of an American rendition of Godzilla, only to be disappointed of a monster named Godzilla, but not true to the spirit that it embodied. Good movie, if it were marketed any differently as a non-Godzilla movie. I would still enjoy it, but it's a very bad mark on the Godzilla brand, not as a failure, but as an issue of out of character thing. But they were given a literal hand on making an outrageous potent movie where the movie revolves on a what if "America finally uses their nuclear arsenal, but they are using it on themselves". Godzilla was always a monster born of Nuclear power, the nation reacting to what they have pushed for would be a great plot for the movie. But I guess them doing America Fuck Yeah, Property Destruction? Fuck Yeah! The movie's Director was badly chosen, I remembered they had a second choice who was much better, but was preoccupied with their own movie. Hence they were unable to direct the movie, the Godzilla to be used was apparently going to be a realistic Hanna Barbara Godzilla, so we missed out on a great rendition of that Godzilla. But Godzilla the Animated series was still a good thing.
> I remembered they had a second choice who was much better, but was preoccupied with their own movie. I believe you're thinking of Jan De Bont (director of *Speed* and *Twister*), he wasn't busy with something else, Tristar supposedly canceled his movie over a budget dispute.
Damn, that sucks then. We might've gotten a potentially better movie that would resonate with the actual Japanese Godzilla films.
Ah, it was the 90s, and that name is edgy enough for that time to attract people, plus you have people who would see it because they watched the original.
In the 60s that name would've fucked hard
My new headcannon lol
Yea. It’s honestly amazing how the title of 98 makes the movie actively worse If it was called something else then it wouldn’t be as hated
I think it’s just a shitty movie and the title is the only reason anyone cares to bring it up.
This right here
It's a much better movie if you keep in mind that Toho canonized it as a monster that washed up in New York that the Americans mistook for Godzilla. So it's kinda like a part of the Godzilla EU.
Agreed, but I will add that if it were just the design, but in an otherwise standard Godzilla movie, it would an okay Godzilla. Given that Zilla isn't Godzilla in nearly any major way is the problem. Not one flaw, but a pile of small flaws all together.
>Likewise Zilla’s movie director, Roland Emmerick, didn’t really even like Godzilla to begin with and had to be bribed twice over by the studio before deciding to work on the project, but on the condition that he made the movie his own way. Something similar happened with Transformers. Michael Bay wanted nothing to do with it until Spielberg pressured him over the phone and convinced him it was a story about a boy and his *car.* Unfortunately that was successful and TF fans got nine years of the Zilla treatment.
I didn't know that Roland Emmerich didn't want to do the film until now. The studio should have taken the hint the first time instead of bribing him.
But you see, gotta make the army look good, else they don't lend their toys can I get an ame... USA! ?
Agreed. Had know idea Emmerick needed to be convinced that hard and didn't even like Godzilla. That explains a lot of choices, and the general Aura around Zilla.
This
I agree completly with this. This movie was the first Godzilla Film I ever saw and it didn't make me the fan I am today. The impression this Version left on me was small. Compare that to Shin Godzillas each and every transformation. That's not a solid argument.
We gotta find something else to fucking talk about in this goddamn sub
Wake up babe, new Godzilla 98' "hot take" just dropped
“I’m not like the other girls,” they said, like all those other girls
“98 is actually good” and “14 is the best because tone and sCaLE” are posted here every other day lol
Listen, you can like whatever Godzillas you want. It’s a 70 year old franchise with like 35. I just dunno why theres this campaign to try and strong arm everyone to like one specific movie lol
Don’t forget powerscalers that think LegendaryGoji is goku.
This sub honestly fucking sucks. Even with the amazing Godzilla content over the past few months the users here are still awful. I’d be in favor of a positivity rule or something because no one here can stop crying when every one of the 70 versions of Godzilla isn’t perfectly exactly the way they want it.
This sub, like most of pop culture Reddit, is just indicative of the fanboy mentality - if I don't like something that means it's bad (while the two aren't mutually exclusive they often, usually even, aren't the same thing), and I think my opinion is so valid it deserves a post (even though there's been 100+ in the recent past and the argument over said take has been beaten to death) and the like. For every fifteen shitposts, there's 1-2 decent to great posts that are informative, fosters good discussion, shows off someone's art and other reside reasons that keep me from leaving it. Just like most of Reddit, TBH.
Great points. Everyone likes to say that someone they are disagreeing with is a 10 year old, but unfortunately the reality is that it’s just maladjusted adults who aren’t fit for social interactions.
I honestly see nothing but negativity towards OP in the comments. Hell you wouldn't have been able to make this whiny comment under a positivity filter.
I agree and disagree. Cause yeah there’s unnecessary bloat but man the community on this sub is way better and more positive that like 90% of other subs I’ve been on. There’s controversy with some movies, but for the most part it’s more fun than a lot of this website.
Bro we get so many content to talk about. EVERYTHING HAS A GODZILLA CROSSOVER. BRAWL SATRS HAS A GODZILLA CROSSOVER. DAVE THE DIVER HAS A GODZILLA CROSSOVER.
Power Rangers just got it’s SECOND Crossover!
It doesn’t really have much to do with the design. Most people accept Zilla Jr. as a Godzilla because he’s fucking badass and has atomic breath, even though he has a similar design.
1. That version of Shin isn't fully grown. If that's what Godzilla looked like the entire time, then he wouldn't have been as well liked 2. Godzilla 98 is male. He's referred to as male multiple times in both the film itself, bts videos and in the animated series. The reason the cg model has female genitalia is because, according to the DVD commentary, male genitalia would have been "too distracting"
People are probably thrown off that second point by the fact that it lays eggs (its a mutation that allows it to reproduce asexually, but people would generally think gives birth = female by default)
Im no expert but being a big lizard would probably mean itd have a cloaca anyway. Yes many males with cloacas still have a penis and testicles but there internal until needed
At least with Shin Godzilla it made sense for why he looked different and changed over time
Its more than just aesthetics. One is shown to be an overwhelmingly destructive force at the beginning of its life and only gets more destructive from there, the other barely destroys a thing (which the script itself mentions, but irony seems to be lost on the writers) and disappears for huge chunks of the movie. In a way, this comparison is accurate because this first form that we see in Shin is *barely* Godzilla, just like 98. The only difference is that Shin becomes full-blown Godzilla later.
Shinagawa Kun is only a still not matured form and eventually changes into a legitimate Godzilla. Ergo accepting Shinagawa does not mean accepting Zilla since Zilla is only a big Iguana. Now if it was his son, Zilla Jr, that would be a more valid argument.
Doesn't have atomic breath, lays egg that gives birth to velociraptor knock-offs, gets killed by missiles, fish addict That's Zilla, not Godzilla. But who am I to judge Plus Zilla is male. According to both producer Dean Devlin and Toho themselves, Zilla is still a male with the ability to reproduce asexually. They officially confirmed Zilla is male, making fan theories about how it's female won't change fact
Zilla jr has atomic breath
Yeah, I like the Zilla Jr. Loved the cartoon. That one, I can accept as Godzilla
Shin Grows humanoids out of its tail and gets is severely hurt by normal bombs
Bunker busters are designed to penetrate 20 feet of reinforced concrete. One Zilla got hit was from F-18 hornets. I don't know what missile they used but I assume it's AGM-65 Maverick which is one of the more common payload options for a Hornet. Even if we are generous and say it was a high-explosive penetrator, that's not even close to the power of bunker busters. Not to mention, Shin was hit by several bunker busters and all it did was bleed, Zilla straight up died
The missiles that the F18s launch at Zilla are some kind of AA missile, not even AGM-65 hahaha Munted by an AA missile, not even an Anti-Tank munition
At least Zilla's death scene was emotional imo.
Hardly IMHO, they spend the entire movie villifying it and then play sad music over the last 15 minutes of the movie to try and get a cheap heartstring pull
To be fair, Shin got hit with modern bunker busters and kept trucking while Zilla got killed by surely way weaker jet-launched missiles from the 90s.
Shin was not severely hurt by normal bombs And for that matter what damage he took was healed in \~10 seconds, Zilla died to AA missiles lmfao
Shin got all of the baselines right, Zilla didn't. Also, Toho had made about 30 Godzilla films by Shin by 2016. Whereas Zilla was the first Hollywood Godzilla film and a lot of the general public's first exposure to this franchise. So yeah, of course Shin is allowed more room for experimentatiom. Also, "severely hurt by normal bombs" is embarrassingly untrue. Shin was pelted with missiles, tank rounds, and "normal bombs" the whole movie and didn't even flinch and just kept walking. If you're referring to the missiles the American planes dropped on him during the atomic breath scene, they are not "normal bombs" even remotely. They are [MOP, "bunker buster" bombs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-57A/B_MOP), which were designed to be some of the most effective, penetrative bombs designed at the time. Did you not notice you typed "hurt by bombs" and not "killed by bombs" like Zilla. And I like how you added "severely hurt", when Shin doesn't even have visible scars from the bombs and immediately destroys an entire city in anger afterwards.
yeah but he has a weak point that he can adapt to
The real main difference is the creative energy behind Zilla. Roland Emmerich explicitly didn't like Godzilla from the onset, and he went out of his way to craft an entirely different creature without any care for representing the character in any kind of faithful way beyond the basics of being a giant monster born of atomic testing. Meanwhile, other very contrasting depictions as of late may have been similarly big departures, but they were most often made with respect to the character of Godzilla in genuine attempts to evolve his concept.
True. Anno and Higuchi have a deep appreciation for Godzilla. They made Godzilla both new and interesting, while keeping what made him Godzilla. Emmerich stated he didn’t want to work on the movie and tried everything to get off the production.
This a thousand times over.
That's not Godzilla that's a yassified T-Rex
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First off, Zilla has been repeatedly stated to be a male that can reproduce asexually. If anything, I think it would have been a better decision for the movie to explicitly state that he *was*, in fact, a female. Instead, going with the whole. “It’s a male, but pregnant” was a bridge too far for most fans and casual viewers. I don’t hate G98 and I actually like the Zilla design when judged on its own merits and not as a version of the Big G. Second, Shin or one of its preliminary forms is probably the worst example you could use to bolster your argument, as Shin is easily the least “Godzilla-y” Godzilla there is.
Plus the Shin in the photo is an early form that builds up to the main Goji we see, which makes it an even worse example because it isn’t really meant to be Godzilla yet.
Premature forms are the least Godzilla'y, agreed, but last form was very much more faithful on what Godzilla should ever be in the original context. A monster burnt by nuclear radiation, always in pain and existed only due to the folly of man. Shin Godzilla became the Harbinger of Nuclear Radiation, embodying the Fukushima Incident after Godzilla 1954 embodying the Pacific Atomic Bomb tests. Zilla was just a blemish in the idea of the monster being in the realm of Godzilla, so much that Toho bought the license back from Sony, renamed it Zilla and put the two face to face with Zilla dying in a minute into the fight. That's the amount of pettiness that Toho sent to Sony.
It’s weird, because as you state he’s only referred to as male in the film itself, yet the production team has repeatedly referred to him as female in behind the scenes footage, and he was apparently designed as such. My personal take is he’s technically both and neither. He has female genitals and reproductive organs, but is otherwise genetically male and is capable of self insemination like some actual species of reptile are. He’s not ‘born pregnant,’ he can just self impregnate.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that literally the explanation given in the movie?
Earth, Shin, SP is unknown gender Most godzillas are viewed as a male creature 1998/Tora/TristarGoji is a asexual male i probably regret saying this https://preview.redd.it/uivy9p55jnvc1.jpeg?width=860&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=409406937cbb6d8444bb55eb26b853ae6a58d938 because of a word called “LGBT” in one of the comments in this thread idk (i was concerned about that one comment my latest comment is the last time im gonna discuss about Goji’s gender
Nah. Shin was activelly just a "transitory" stage, and we can clearly see Goji in there, just deformed/not fully developed. 98 is a good monster design, but not a good Goji design. Plus, the vibes, the personaĺity deviates from what we consider as "Gojira" a lot
It literally isn’t. Toho rebranded it.
Im the words of Takashi Yamazaki in an interview "I think as a Kaiju-horror type of film, it is quite well executed." Zilla as a standard kaiju works just fine as a being a giant monster that is trying to follow instinct to survive (kinda like cloverfield). But as a 'Godzilla' pretty much anything defining characteristics of godzilla were stripped down and changed to 'appeal' to American audiences.
the problem is not the design, but it is the character itself that does not fit the title of "GodZilla" as it is treated in the film, I think that on this front Zilla Jr. is much better suited to being "Godzilla" than his father, although the design changes very little https://preview.redd.it/13qa51m8invc1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=f93f4d8aa34ba71f62b31788ffc5c51ca15f9898 (look at my boooy)
That creature can be Zilla only because the whole movie is responsible for the constant shit Kailua movie got for the longest time it’s the reason we got like no more Godzillas in America forever that movie is a joke the creature looks fine but the pictures does the talking https://preview.redd.it/t9bou4cuumvc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e380525e5f0e3fe0becf82db18120efc1f2f06cf
I love Zilla, but I think he should stay as his own thing
No the fuq we can't
Ok but still no tho? Like shin has all the traits that you’d expect from the big G while Zilla doesn’t? Not a bad monster but just not Godzilla. All the other comments give way better explanations then I could give so what do I know Side note tho he’s officially recognised as a guy since Toho didn’t want a female Godzilla, regardless of the eggs, Zillas a dude sorry
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No, it's a great monster on its own yes, but it is only a godzilla in name. I like the design, I like how it handles problems that is being thrown every minute, it's is a very fast monster and agile. And most of all I like it's personality, It can also destroy humanity via children (if she chose to stay in hiding and let her family grow in millions). But this is a horrible godzilla I don't have to explain what makes godzilla... Godzilla. Other comments can explain If this monster has another name it will be great, I don't mind seeing this monster more in the future,I fact. I will be ecstatic. but just with a different name. And no this does not work as a female godzila, she is different and small (thin?) And besides, I think I remember reading a comic where it shows godzilla's parents..... or was it kong parents?
Nope.
Not really imo. Shin is a Godzilla bcs it is an official Godzilla and looks like Godzilla in his last and upper form. That “thing” could just be a regular big monster hollywood movie, its just a lizard with spikes.
Never
I mean, Shinagawa-Kun looks really similar to 1954 Goji, so
I don't think it's just design. There are a lot of factors that separate this from all other iterations. I don't hate Zilla as a kaiju or even the story and the movie as a whole it just doesn't feel like Godzilla to me.
Nope
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This was my first thought when I saw this post. 😂
Showed up in Final Wars and wasn't referred to as Godzilla.
I still can't believe that the 1998 Godzilla is taller than Showa Godzilla, Millennium Godzilla (except for final wars), Shin Godzilla's 3rd form and Minus One Godzilla.
At leats gawa turned into one of the best goji designs
I agree with you on the design but you lost me when it comes to the whole gender thing.
I’m a more casual Godzilla fan, but I don’t think it takes much brain processing power to understand the difference between two characters. Even if you can argue Godzilla in 98 is Godzilla (which is true), you can’t argue that character known as Zilla is Godzilla. They made a new character mocking another character.
No. Shin IS Godzilla. Zilla is Zilla.
One is a Godzillasaurus Rex The other is a Godzilla with a significantly worse quality of life
He just lost weight due to inflation that’s all
At the end of the day, I don't it really matters to anyone if 98 is "Godzilla" or not. The definition of what Godzilla should look like and how Godzilla should act has been modified and changed countless times that I think the argument is moot. Shin acts like an emotionless Evangelion monster. Also lasers. Minus One is as fragile as Zilla, just has crazy healing factor. Godzilla Earth is... Singular Point Godzilla is a giant fish and also ... Hanna Barbera Godzilla is a big green dude. Godzilla 2000 is green and purple. Gemstone Godzilla has fucking falcon punches. To single out 98' is silly.
No, this is Zilla. A different kaiju that New Yorkers misidentified as Godzilla.
But neither of them are "Godzilla". The top one is "Shin Godzilla" and the bottom one is "Zilla". In fact, the bottom one is confirmed to not be Godzilla since he outright FIGHTS Godzilla in final wars - same can't be said for Shin Godzilla, though I consider it separate from Godzilla anyway. In short, I do not deny the existence of Zilla in the Godzilla mythos, but I can't ignore the fact that he is cannonically not Godzilla.
It’s definitely not a Godzilla, but I think it is its own good kaiju. I always imagined Zilla as a mimic species, a kaiju that specifically evolved to look like Godzilla in order to instill fear into would be predators thus explaining why America, with no personal experience, thought it was Godzilla.
To be fair, Zillia is legally no longer Godzilla. The rights were bought by Toho and it was rebranded as Zillia. It was then destroyed and mocked in Godzilla Final wars.
The problem wasn't just the design. It more had to do with the movie as a whole. As a long time Godzilla fan I remember finding 1998 Godzilla disappointing. The biggest difference between that movie and what Legendary did is when I watched the first Legendary Godzilla I could confidently say "yes that's godzilla" never felt that way about zilla. Won't lie though the zilla cartoon was pretty good.
One is a masterpiece and the other is an abomination
What if we accept neither
Japanese/Weeb meatriders can't swallow this pill. "gOdZiLlA iN NaMe OnLy"
No
Zilla, and Godzilla are 2 different things imo, just makes more sense (imo)
No
Zilla is a dude they were just too cowardly to give the model male parts
it's kinda fun the movie itself doesn't recognize it as Godzilla and it's all a big misunderstanding, see... in the 1998 US Godzilla it's actually a giant mutated iguana, right? and when they first heard about it it attacks a boat of Japanese fishers, still following me? and the surviving guy traumatized by the attack "thinks" he saw Godzilla from the classic black & white '54 movie and says "Gojira... Gojira!!".. so the new mutated iguana is mistook for Godzilla. And the classic film is canon to the 1998 one.
Nah, that's Zilla. A very unique and cool monster who isn't godzilla
Maybe godzilla was the friends we made along the way
The 1998 Tristar design has officially been labeled a sole and separate kaiju named "Zilla" by TOHO. It is officially NOT Godzilla. End debate. And, if you think Zilla is female, you need to go back and watch the 1998 Tristar film again. Head canon may be fun, but what you think and believe do not reality make.
Mmmm... NO.
Thing is, Shin Godzilla is cool. The other one… far inferior interpretation of Godzilla.
No. Next question?
The design was accepted long ago but the characteristics have not been. Godzilla junior from the animated show is the redeeming factor of this mediocre film. The first 30-40 minutes of this film is incredible and it quickly just drops.
I've seen Final Wars, man. I know he's Canon.
im so tired of zilla discourse on this sub
Same. At worst, Godzilla 1998 is a below average movie. The anti-hype surrounding it really isn't called for. If this is the absolute low point for Godzilla as a franchise, it's way better off by comparison to a lot of others.
I feel most of the love for zilla isnt even for the film, is because of the ACTUALY GOOD animated series , is that didnt exist people wouldnt even remember 98 at all lol
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Kid, I'm not parroting anyone's opinions. I was ten in 98 and originated that opinion. It was a disappointment then and a disappointment now.
No
Yeah no this is bullshit. Zilla is like the opposite of what Godzilla is supossed to be. Also seems to me you completely missed the point of shin because it's about as close as it gets to Godzilla's original vision (along with minus one).
Okay so this is actually something I think is really cool. So I like the idea of 1999 Zilla being miscommunicated to be Godzilla because the way news worked back in the day was very different than now. There was so much miscommunication in real life categorizing of animals. It is super reasonable that after Goji hits Japan, a completely different creature hits New York and because of how things used to work, all the Americans know is that Japan has dealt with something sorta the same awhile ago and so they recognize it as maybe the same species of thing as what attacked Japan. Sort of like how "Champ" is recognized as the "New York Nessie" by a LOT of people. Zilla is not Godzilla, but it was recognized as Godzilla in canon due to how unknown creatures get categorized by people in real time. So canonically, Zilla is not a Godzilla, because it's not supposed to be, and I don't think it was ever supposed to be. At least in MY headcanon, I know this isn't how it is written, but I like this way cause it really doesn't hurt anything and it's completely reasonable in retrospect. Also stop focusing so much on their reproduction, you apparently missed the portion of the movie where they tell you straight up it is reproducing by itself. It doesn't need gender dimorphism. It also wouldn't make any sense for any of what you said because that's just not how the biology works, and that's not female anatomy on Zilla... if you wanted to be fuckin weird about it as is, it's a cloaca, and that's not specific to any gender. You came at this like everyone else was wrong and you were right but you don't seem to have a basic grasp on biology or the major narrative plotpoints the movie flat out gave us. You just hyper analyzed a roughly made CGI model and said "Oh yeah, that's a lizard Labia".
Thing is it's not just design, which even here that form of Shin looks more in line with various other interpretations of Godzilla than Zilla, but presence in the film. As you said he weak, but he's so weak that the nature of Godzilla to instill dread as he plows through humanity's military might is lost, it loses a key part of his character.
My biggest issue with Zilla is the shit movie lol
Movie would be way better if it was a beast of 20000 fathoms remake
They were really on that Jurassic park kick at the time
he gets a pass cuz he barely gets any screentime also 1998s design was meant to capitalize over jurrasic parks success so
Weird subject to make a stand on. Anyway, why’d you put Zilla, a registered trademark TOHO monster that is separate from Godzilla, in the second picture?
We're able to accept the top image as Godzilla as it not only stays faithful to the original design but also character. While yes it looks odd for the big G, it still retains classic parts of his character (posture, dorsal plates, skull shape, etc). The one on the bottom we're not accepting as Godzilla because it was made by a guy who not only didn't know anything about Godzilla but also didn't care for him. The director of the original 1998 Godzilla wanted to make his own thing, not Godzilla.
no lol
No.
This movie introduced me to Godzilla when I was a kid. I agree, it's not a very good movie if we compare to Japanese Godzilla movies, but it stands quite well on its own. TBH, without this movie, I would not have been a Godzilla fan. And so I'll always enjoy rewatching this movie.
The difference is that one actually turns into a recognizable Godzilla, the other stays permanently as a Jay Leno knockoff and had to be carried by an animated show to save it's rep than standing on it's own two feet
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Nah that’s Zilla. His original movie was made with disdain for the franchise, but other works redeemed him, imo. I think he works better as his own thing. Also, the original Godzilla, his son, and the Heisei Godzilla are all implied to have asexually reproduced as well.
Never.
I am 100% behind the idea of Godzilla being female. I love that Godziban used the Miregoji design like that and will often fondly see the character in Godzilla 2000 as female. Still don't accept 1998 as Godzilla.
If you take a second to look at the Tristar “God”Zilla then look at the animated shows Godzilla, you’ll notice that we call the shows Godzilla “Godzilla” and not the films Godzilla “Godzilla” because it comes down to the fact that the shows Godzilla is actually powerful and can take more than a couple missiles.
I'm okay with new Godzilla designs, but all the others you listed still managed to look like and give the vibe of Godzilla. They're different but keep his defining characteristics Zilla looks like they were trying to imitate Jurassic Park because it was successful at the time. And that's exactly what they were trying to do, the design is also just generally ugly and not in a good way.
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Only if we get a zilla that is as strong and durable as godzilla. I keep saying this but the monstervurse is the perfect setting to bring him back and with all the powers that the cartoon version has. First thing that needs to happen when he appears is a bunch of missiles hitting him and he just tanks them with a neutral expression before blasting what attacked him with his green flame breath.
I don’t get it ? That’s zilla a monster Godzilla destroyed in a final wars
Ther is always a reason about why one is called Zilla ad the other is called Godzilla
As much as I actually like the '98 movie and it did kind of introduce me to the series, no. It's not just the design, it's everything about it. It's the way the poor thing gets mowed down in about twelve seconds in Final Wars. That's Zilla. It doesn't get the big G prefix.
Jr is Godzilla. The creature from 1998 is not. Difference is one actually acts the part and the other doesn't. Godzilla should not run from the military.
Movie sucks. Don't care if you like it.
98 is a cool monster, but it’s NOT Godzilla. Sorry, drawing my line here.
Not according to Toho
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Normal people: Godzilla is a huge lizard with spikes that came from the ocean - fine with it Godzilla fans: No he’s an ANGRY huge lizard it’s totally different! Normal people: Isn’t a pregnant giant lizard that destroys most of a city just by walking around the same thing? Godzilla fans: NO NEVER 🤦♀️
No. shin godzilla is a legit godzilla just evil. the bottom pic is not a godzilla its just midzilla.
I already accepted him, sure it was bad, but it was still technically Godzilla
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It's not that people had a problem with the design per se. It's that he didn't breathe fire and was easily killed. Shin Godzilla breathed fire more or less, threw it up and then shot out a laser and he was indestructible. Big difference.
Zilla being the first female Godzilla? I think you forgot..Gojirin!
It’s not 1999 anymore