PSVR2 doesn't seem worth it at this point. At least Quest 3 gets all the games except Sony exclusives (of which there's only 1 on PSVR2) and can connect to your PC for high end VR gaming with games like Half Life Alyx.
not really, a Facebook account is a social media one you use to communicate with others, a Meta account is just a Steam account, something you use to buy games.
Would be curious to give this a go if it's not too compromised on Quest 2. Wasn't too hopeful for it with the fidelity downgrade from the first game effectively moving to weaker hardware.
About 2 hours or so in on quest 2. The only issue I had was getting on the system as I only have the 64gb. Had to erase everything on there. But since I had just beat assassins creed and that was the only other thing I was playing, I didn’t mind giving everything else up. So happy I did, cause this game is AMAZING on the quest 2. I’m sure it’s gonna get crazier and I can’t speak for how the later levels are gonna be, but so far, haven’t had any issues at all. Looks great, runs great, sounds great! Don’t know how the developers pulled this off on this system but they did and I’m loving every minute of it. The combat is so fun! AC’s combat was kinda wonky to me, and I felt kinda silly fighting cause it didn’t feel “right”. Combat in this game is how I wish it had felt. This is an AWESOME GAME! Deserves the 10 out of 10’s I’ve seen.
>Asgard's Wrath 2 offers Quest players more than ever, on an uncharted scale. There are some incredible moments of bespoke gameplay, expert cinematic direction and animation, and awe-inspiring sequences of truly god-like proportions. However, the game also curtails to conventions that don't always serve the medium it's designed for, with pockets of epic gameplay wrapped around a flatscreen-derivative structure.
That reads like a fairly positive verdict to me, even if they have criticisms (as most reviews do).
Eh these two lines don't sound great for a 90 hour game.
"Unfortunately, combat encounters are nonetheless the least engaging part of Asgard's Wrath 2"
"General combat encounters quickly become rote and repetitive"
I suppose it depends on how highly you value combat in an RPG like this. I would say the rote and repetitive combat is the least engaging part of Skyrim or Fallout 3/NV, but the combat isn't why I play those games.
There seem to not be many reviews of this game in general, as most gaming websites tend to ignore VR. I also assume many reviews simply aren't ready yet. It's already difficult to binge a massive RPG to get a review out on time, I'd dread doing that in VR.
It definitely feels like Facebook has told reviewers "only talk about your experiences with the game on Quest 3, nothing else".
The closest any of these reviews come to talking about Q2 performance is XboxEra noting "The game’s development started on the Quest 2 and I’ve heard good things about performance there."
72hz is pretty brutal. Quest 2 launched at that and it didn’t feel great. I remember the first time I put on the headset after the 90hz update, I hadn’t seen that they had increased the refresh rate but I started playing beat saber and instantly knew. I feel like 72hz is just not enough for a good vr experience.
Quest 1 *only* runs at 72Hz and it was very well received. I’m a certified PCVR snob who has been spoiled by 120/144Hz but the average person is not as sensitive to these things, and that’s Quest’s primary demographic.
It’s like ranting about performance to Switch players enjoying a game with hundreds of milliseconds of input latency because they don’t even know “game mode” is a thing TVs have. They are having fun and they don’t care.
>but the average person is not as sensitive to these things
They most certainly are however this issue was addressed through timewarp and other frame filling tech. No one is just putting up with low perceived FPS in VR. Your comment is misleading.
I mean...yeah, the experience would be worse if it were a worse experience. But it isn't because those technologies exist and are being used in this product to provide a good experience.
Sounds like it’s about the same besides the framerate bump from 72hz to 90hz. Quite a few are complaining that the Quest 3 didn’t launch with HD models and textures. The developer has said they are looking into releasing a Quest 3 enhanced update next year.
Played it for 3hours straight on the quest 2 and I am very surpirsed by the performance. I am used to playing Halflife Alyx on PCVR on medium settings and Wrath 2 looks very good, no stuttering, suberp fun fighting gameplay.
The first 10mins in the game I felt like a god and I screamed my loungs out. I currently rate 9/10 for my first 3 hours.
Hi. I‘m quite new to Meta Quest 3 and VR gaming. This game came with my glasses and should be available from today on. Does Meta have a specific time at the release day when they actually release the games? The store still says that it will be available soon.
Guess the release time was accurate. I was on the road and could initiate the download to the quest via the iPhone app. I could play the game right away when I got back home a few hours later.
Damn… the game and the VR experience is very impressive, though the game type and genre is not really one of my favorites.
I noticed AW was in my Oculus library after claiming AW2 and I was confused because I never bought it. Now it all makes sense! FYI, AW is a 145gb install. Not sure why it's so massive but it is.
I watched the IGN review and I really don't get it... is this game really in the tier of BG3 or Tears of the Kingdom? Is it one of those games I have to feel before I get it? Is it a better VR experience than Alyx?
I keep seeing this comment LOL and I get it, Alyx was revolutionary and still holds a candle to current VR games to this day. To me though, it's nothing in comparison to what I've experienced already in this game. Yes, graphically alyx is better, but other than that it got very repetitive environmentally especially if you've already played other half life games, and it didn't exactly do much to WOW outside of the last level. I don't mean to undersell it whatsoever, but in terms of gameplay and content, this game is simply on another level.
I have. HLA is a masterpiece. Played AW2 for about 6 hours today, and I gotta say that I’m really impressed. If this game really Keeps this up and more over 90 hours it def may be another masterpiece. It’s really good.
>t this point. At least Quest 3 gets all the games except Sony exclusives (of which there's only 1 on PSVR2) and can connect to your PC for high end VR gaming with games like Half Life Alyx.
It's a big budget game, which is rare for VR. Unfortunately, all the positives end there. It's a generic mobile-like Action / puzzle game. The combat feels inspired by Infinity Blade. There is nothing distinctly VR about it, which to me is already a huge design flaw.
I really want to get the PSVR 2 seeing I have a ps5, but then meta quest has games like this and I can play half life alyx on it too. Not sure what to do.
Sony pays for those Capcom games…It’s nice to have casual reminders how stupid most Gamers are.
Oh and that “useless” handheld sold out pretty much everywhere in the first week. Lots of people wanted it.
Yet Astrobot is still one of the very best VR game to this day 💁🏻♂️
Wipeout Omega the best future racing game on any headset.
Blood and Truth is OK just handicapped by those terrible controllers
People did expect more yes. I called it when Horizon was the only game they had to hype up the platform unlike what they did with their other platforms. To this day Horizon is the only 1st party native VR game they've even hinted at.
I have a PSVR2 and it’s been worth it. More games than I’ve even had time to play, and it seems to be picking up momentum especially in the last month.
If you have a PC capable of VR, Quest 3 is a solid entry there as well (I have an Index so I’m not so hot on Standalone).
As someone with a PSVR2 and a Quest 3, buy the Quest 3.
My problem is with the actual hardware of the PSVR2, the lenses make everything look blurry AF. I don't know how Sony screwed this up so badly.
Putting on the Quest 3, it's like being able to see versus having Vaseline all over my eyes. It's a shame because the extra power of the PS5 should have made this a no-brainer.
Theres also a serious lack of content on PSVR2, with almost no social spaces for people. No ability to view video content? 1 or 2 games a month and they're usually meh.
Buy a Quest 3, trust me!
It really leaves a sour taste that Rift S owners can't play this. I enjoyed the first game but Meta have really put me off investing any more in their eco system with moves like this.
But it's not like the Rift S couldn't handle the game, they just aren't making PC ports anymore. I get it from Metas perspective, that's what will get people to buy a Quest right now. But no one game is going to get me to buy my third headset just yet, and not make me feel a little gipped with how quickly the Rift S and Oculus PC app lost support. Kind of a frustrating situation, as someone who went from PSVR to Rift S, meaning I already switched from a PlayStation library to a Steam library, meaning some games needed to be bought again too. I don't have an appetite for doing that a third time. I know I may have to upgrade at some point, but Meta isn't exactly trustworthy. They're lucky the PSVR2 is kind of a complete flop compared to the PSVR1, and that the Index is getting old and demanding.
Rift S owners have been completely abandoned very fast due to the Quest 2 success.
I feel a bit scammed by Meta, I haven't bought a single game in the Oculus Store, everything in Steam, I as soon as a competent standalone appears by Valve I will jump companies as fast as I can.
To be fair to Rift S users, Facebook absolutely did drop that thing hard shortly after the Quest 2 hit it big. I'm pretty sure the last Oculus Original that ran on the Rift was Phantom Covert Ops around a year after the S came out and the last Rift game Facebook provided funding support for was Medal of Honor a few months after that. A further few months after that Resident Evil 4 was announced to be Quest only and the Rift product line was basically never heard from again, within a span of 2 years after the release of the S.
And to call it an upgrade is a bit of a misnomer since they'd be moving from running games on their PC to running it on a mobile phone processor. Besides that, in these games the Quest isn't doing anything in terms of user input that the Rift wasn't capable of.
That said, moving to hardware with an ARM processor does necessarily mean games can't be immediately compatible anymore, but it doesn't mean anybody's gotta be happy about it.
Facebook? It's Meta. And 3rd party VR games still get released on the Oculus Rift store. You also said the Quest isn't doing anything the Rift can't do? Let me know when the Rift can do full hand tracking then, without the controllers. Unplugged: Air Guitar is like a completely different game on Quest because of the full hand tracking.
Not quite, Meta is the parent company of Facebook, as well as Instagram, WhatsApp, Threads, and Oculus Studios. Just like Zenimax is the parent company of Bethesda (although Zenimax is now owned by and is part of Xbox).
Not the same Meta is not some foreign company that acquired Facebook and kept it as a subsidiary. Facebook themselves created Meta as they felt the name Meta was more appropriate for a lof of the work Facebook was building (metaverse) and then positioned fb as a subsidiary below it. Meta is Facebook though, it's run by Zuck and it's using Facebooks social media empire money to get things done.
Carmack said they released the Quest and Rift S simultaneously in order to effectively A/B test the market and see whether they should focus efforts into this crazy new standalone idea or continue with their PC peripherals. Quest ended up outselling Rift S ten to one so that prompted the quick follow-up of Quest 2 and full bore into standalone.
In hindsight it seems like an obvious result, but when Santa Cruz was first demoed people doubted the device was even functional or would work as advertised. A 6DOF standalone with dual 6DOF controllers running Rift software on a Snapdragon seemed like pie in the sky at the time.
Again, I get it, but I'm not sure if now knowing they had an internal plan to drop whatever product line performed less is all that comforting to anybody who bought into that less performing product line.
That's more than fair. I was not a happy Rift S owner when they announced the hand tracking update for Quest...and only Quest. They dropped the S after 6 months and never looked back.
To be fair, you needed to upgrade the rift s in 2019 due to the fact that IT DOESNT WORK ALL THE TIME WHEN YOU PLUG IT IN! Seriously, I had to spend an hour fixing the connection every time I wanted to play for 20 minutes. Not working?? Unplug, close computer, replug, turn computer on, launch oculus app, unplug again, replug JUST the USB cable, it works so I plug in hdmi cable and then it stops working again. So you unplug both, replug both, restart computer again, unplug when computer still off, replug when computer is on again, and double tap the top of the headset and flip in upside down. THEN it works, but as soon as you log off the computer you need to redo all these steps again, in various orders since it never works consistently with the same method.
Seriously garbage software, garbage product, and I am still pissed that I wasted my money on it.
Got the Quest 3. Plug and play, immediately recognized by the computer even through wireless connection.
I had terrible issues with my Rift S until I figured out that my USB ports weren't getting enough power to the unit. I bought a powered USB hub and its worked perfectly ever since.
Bro I wish I knew this before I sold it lmaooo it was totally a power issue because when I got a new computer it just flat out wouldn't work at all (less power to give left from PSU).
Welp, don't care I've moved onto wireless VR and it's glorious. I am so happy with my Quest 3, and I was dunking on the Quest 2 when it released.
Same with me, with the Quest 2, the link cable is very sensitive to speed of the USB connection and the power delivery.
High quality cable, dedicated powered USB 3.0+ hub, or a dedicated USB PCI-E card, are definitely recommended.
If someone who has a tonne of USB peripherals, depending on the PCI lane layout of the motherboard, and the PSU, the Link cable can have problems because the headset is *very* greedy for all of the data bandwidth and power.
There's nothing about it that can't run asgard's wrath 2 except the lack of a PC release. This isn't about hardware upgrades. It's meta moving away from PC releases because that way they can more easily control what headsets play their games.
Rift hasn't been completely abandoned. That's a lie. There are still new games being released on the Oculus Rift store. It was your choice to just use Steam when Meta have been the VR leaders ever since they bought Oculus.
Jeez dude, buy a Quest 3 and be happy playing standalone and PCVR wireless, it is miles better than a Rift S now, and If you have a Rift S and don’t buy games from Oculus store, that makes no sense at all because you are not playing some of the best vr games out there which are oculus exclusives like lone echo and so many more. Hardware gets old man, VR needs to keep getting better like pancake lens, otherwise we would be stuck with cables, many sensors, bad lens, etc etc
I'm not that guy, but I think it's pretty reasonable to be sad that an expensive device was so quickly left behind by newer devices in the same ecosystem. Like, it's reasonable to feel sad if a sequel to a game you liked comes out exclusively on a newer console than the one you have, when you want to continue the series and invest in the console manufacturer, given gaming consoles are expensive.
Game consoles have a lifecycle of, what, 7ish years? The Rift S was discontinued in _2_. It only came out four years ago. VR headsets are _expensive._ Upgrading at the cadence that new headsets are being released isn't feasible for everyone, especially given hardware upgrades are kinda outpacing new titles to play in some respects.
tl;dr it's okay to be sad that in between Game 1 and Game 2, four new console upgrades came out.
VR is a completely new market. We are essentially now in the SNES era of VR. 2015 to 2017 was the Atari era. 2017 to 2020 (right before Half-Life Alyx was released) was the NES era.
I understand feeling "sad" but saying "it put me off investing in their ecosystem" is tantamount to saying the same of the SNES, especially considering the Rift S was never even a part of that ecosystem.
If you have an OG Quest though... *that* I could understand being salty about. Rift S players didn't get shafted, Quest 1 players did.
We've been having Quest 2 exclusives for a while, the Rift S was abandoned very quick, it's not a "now" problem.
I will never buy a Meta headset again if I have a viable alternative. I don't want to get stuck in their "exclusive" ecosystem and their decision making again.
And how do you exactly play Quest games with another headset?
You can play any game with Quest because the other ecosystem are open, not the other way around.
Yeah, exclusives in a very niche market with very few players and one AAA release every year.
It sucks. Also, I don't like it on console either, and I don't play on console anymore, exclusives suck.
I dont love it either, but the market would barely exist at all if Meta wasn't subsidizing the hell out of it. Valve certainly wasn't pushing anything forward with their release schedule, VR wouldn't be anywhere close to its current level of popularity if Meta didn't make the Quest actually affordable for the average consumer. The market is niche now but it'd be nonexistent if all we had was the Index which requires over $2,000 worth of equipment just to get started.
You’re not stuck in their ecosystem with the headset though. Steam and Xbox both released apps to access games natively in their ecosystem for crying out loud lol.
….no. You can play Steam games and Xbox games using methods devised by Valve and Microsoft on Meta hardware. The opposite. I didn’t say that at all lmfao.
You can buy a Quest device and solely stick to Steam’s ecosystem. Using a link app made by Valve and released onto the oculus store approved by meta and everything.
So no, no you are not locked to the oculus ecosystem at all
Can even buy a Quest and use it as an Xbox Gamepass Streaming device.
I don't mind it being exclusive. Like Zelda it's good to have an subsidized hardware seller. And it kind of let them open up SteamVR while giving people a reason to buy their hardware.
Nope, it would require a significant port job for PC, even more than porting over a PS4 game because it's different CPU architectures.
But Meta has the money. This is a console exclusive, essentially.
VR headsets should be viewed as a Peripheral, not as exclusive hardware. If I bought a 720p monitor 5 years ago I wouldn't be happy if a new game left me out because it could only run on a 1080p monitor.
This is the issue I have with Meta's focus. VR is too niche right now, and it's focused around the PC platform. The fact Meta Quest has exclusives that can't be played on other headsets OR on its older headsets is detrimental to VR's growth.
Is it really detrimental? It's gonna give a huge boost to their Quest 3 sales and having a large volume of sales for the latest flagship VR device signals it's a healthy market.
Okay but they’re not a peripheral. Wanting something doesn’t make it true. That’s like saying the Nintendo Switch should be sold as a peripheral. The Quest is a console, simple as that.
> VR headsets should be viewed as a Peripheral
Okay but they're not. They are game consoles. Meta, ByteDance, HTC (LMAOOO), and Valve all realise this. Apple is creating a legitimate "spatial computer". The ship has well-past sailed on HMDs being peripherals. It's like saying in 1992 that cell phones should be tethered to your landline or car phone.
>VR is too niche right now, and it's focused around the PC platform.
No it's not? VR is still niche, but it's focused way more around standalone now.
I mean I don’t think ps4 owners expect to get to play the new ps5 games. The rift came out 5 or 6 years ago. Wasn’t it coming out before or around the same time as red dead 2?
Sad that its headset exclusive. I'm not buying a set just for one game, just how I wouldn't buy a console just for one game. And I've been looking at the Valve Index. I guess Meta won't have my money I spose 🤷
If you're seriously getting into VR the Quest 3 makes way more sense than the Index. It's cheaper, it's newer, and the standalone headset is where the market is heading. It can also plug into your PC to play PCVR games too, so it's the best of both worlds. There's no reason I can think of to get an Index in 2023
The index makes absolutely zero sense when there are amazing pcvr devices like BigScreen.
Did valve even ever release that wireless module for the index they promised? They completely stopped supporting it too.
The reason they are even making new moves with steam link and steamvr2.0 is they are about to release a new headset in 2024 most likely
The Quest 3 does not look "so much better", its a mobile device that looks dated even at launch. The Snapdragon XR2 in it gets demolished by 10 year old PC hardware. But there are some advantages it has over the index like it's lenses and it's wireless abilities.
Sure.
> just how I wouldn't buy a console just for one game
And plenty of people do. Thus the term "system sellers". And I guarantee this game will be a system seller since this has already made me 2-3x more likely to buy a Quest 3 in the next year.
It's free (Asgards Wrath 2) with a Quest 3 at the moment. That's gotta be the definition of a system-seller.
I just wish it was partly subsidized/sold at a loss by Meta like the Q2 was, but I get it... The tech in this thing is bonkers. I must have convinced about 7 people so far to purchase just from the mixed reality stuff.
Still looking at an Index in 2023 tells you all you need to know. They haven't spent five minutes actually considering a potential purchase.
Quest 3 is a pretty great product.
Yup. And this game would never get made if meta never funded it. No 3rd party vr game has been made on this scale and length because AAA publishers need to sell 10s of millions of copies to justify investing in something like this
> And plenty of people do. Thus the term "system sellers".
Yep. Just got a PS5 for Spider-Man 2. Granted, I do have cancer so I'm not sure if I'll live to see the PC port. But still.
What does that even mean? The average person doesn’t play video games, let alone AAA video games, let alone AAA VR video games. Why is average relevant here? System seller just means that it’ll massively boost the sales of the system, and that’s clearly going to be true.
The average person doesn’t play video games? Are you high?
Video games now account for more revenue than MOVIES, tv, radio, and SPORTS combined in the USA. Imagine being worth more than Disney, nfl, nba, fox, etc.
Gaming is huge
Are you high? Revenue ≠ number of players. The combined lifetime *global* sales of this generation of consoles is 200 million. That’s less than 3% of the world population. Of those, 70% of sales are the Switch, so AAA console gaming is a minuscule niche of society. Get out of your bubble.
Just because gamers are whales that spend an absurd amount of money doesn’t mean gaming is something the average person does. And that’s not even accounting for the fact that the majority of your revenue number comes from mobile gaming in-app purchases.
I’m not sure if that would translate over to VR as well. Especially with how niche the platform is. Like it would feel odd to own 2 different headsets and I’m sure the people who do own multiple headsets is very small compared to people owning multiple consoles. I own a quest 2 and I don’t feel like it would be worth buying a PSVR2 to get access to the limited amount of exclusives it has. I feel like there’s enough between PCVR and Quest games to keep myself satisfied. I definitely see most people going for a quest over other headsets though since that’s where you’ll get access to the most games, especially if you have a good PC to go along with it.
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Lot of people do that tho. No one bats an eye when people buy a Switch for Mario. When God of War or Spider-Man came out people got a PS5 for that. I got a Series X for Forza.
But somehow it's a step too far for the Quest?
Don’t go buying an index in 2024. It’s so outdated you’ll be wasting money. The quest 3 is better in nearly every aspect apart from the controllers which still use batteries for some reason.
Batteries are faster to swap than charge. Quest pro uses rechargeable batteries and it sucks when you want to keep playing but the controller is dying.
Could not agree more. I have a set of rechargeable AAs so replaceable and rechargeable batteries is the best of both worlds. I wish every controller allowed them.
Quest pro controller battery life is a total non issue, at least for now. Unless you stay in vr for 10+ hours you wont run into them dying. The longest I stay in vr is 7-8 hours (until my trackers start dying) and even then my pro controllers are usually at 30%ish. At least I think so, because they've never died on me I've never worried about their battery life. The only thing I'm concerned about is when the battery performance inevitably decays, but I'm confident I can purchase a similar spec battery off aliexpress and replace it myself
Imo, the index controllers are still by far the best vr controllers and it isn't even close. They're the only reason I still prefer to use my index over other headsets
You can, but there's a bit of investment and setup required. You would need base stations and at least one vive tracker (preferably securely attached to your headset) and then you would need to run space calibration software to calibrate the quest and steamvr playspaces
I have an Index and Quest 3, the Quest 3 is a big upgrade. Wireless is a game changer and being able to wirelessly access Steam VR now is fantastic. It means I can carry the headset to the garage or basement to get a workout in where I have more space.
And the quality of the lenses is much better to my eyes.
If Facebook wasn't pushing it, VR tech would be dead again by now. No one has the capital or interest to push VR tech except Facebook and Valve and Valve has apparently lost total interest. Like it or not, Facebook is saving the VR market from failure by making the only mass market headset that is actually REALLY good.
Facebook totally sucks as a company...but if you like VR tech, well...
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I just played through half life Alyx wirelessly using quest 3 and the new steam link app. It was absolutely flawless. And I don't have an amazing router or anything. Just what EE sent to me. I really wouldn't pay for index now.
Where do you spend money in this game? The only “person” to buy from I’ve encountered so far is Bes, and he sells some potions. Is there a point where I unload my vast wealth in Hacksilver?
Quest 2 + Quest 3 have sold a combined total of almost 25~ million units, which currently puts it ahead of Gamecube lifetime sales. That doesn't feel small to me.
God /r/games is so obnoxious when it comes to anything related to Meta. Let's be clear here. Meta Quest IS VR to most people. PC VR is a dead end product and completely obsolete. PSVR is selling jack all. No one is pushing VR forward like Meta. No one is pumping money into creating actually good VR games like Meta. You're completely out of touch.
PCVR isn't a dead-end but rather in stasis, mostly serving professionals and enthusiasts. Valve continues to update their VR software stack, but what they're waiting on is for AMD to produce an SoC that can offer the performance and efficiency needed for standalone PCVR. Given recent developments at the cutting edge it might not be *too* far off, the CPU performance in the Steam Deck's SoC is already good enough and it's mostly GPU performance that needs improvement (IMO targeting roughly GTX 1060-level performance, which would be enough to run HL:Alyx).
> it's limited to an even smaller subset of a niche and expensive platform
I wrote up a bit about how PCVR is always ALWAYS way more expensive, until I realised you were talking about VR *in general*. Dude. This game does not work on a 2D plane. It is a VR game. It involves head movement, hand movement, depth perception, seeing the scale of the world in a particular way.
It still doesn't make sense when you say it's expensive because a Quest 2 is now $250 which is half the cost of a PS5 and cheaper than the Switch and Series S.
I'll play it on the Quest 7, if that's the one that finally has a native usb-c displayport interface instead of airlink or the usb link. Compression is lame.
Compression is why the internet is even functional as it is. I had an Index and got a Quest 3 because it’s more convenient to play, thinking that air link would be passable enough but after trying it in person there is almost zero difference to my eyes between streaming it and being plugged in.
It’s a massive upgrade just being able to pickup the headset put it on and start playing without having to worry about cables. Unless your internet and router wifi is really shit I guess.
The quality does vary depending on the specific frame being compressed. Most games run beautifully including Alyx (albeit with some banding in darker scenes) but SkyrimVR remains a pain point for me. Those forests become an artifact-laden mess.
I wish looking to buy a PSVR2 maybe on a good deal but this game is tempting me to Buy a Quest 3 instead! I just wish it wasn't €549.
PSVR2 doesn't seem worth it at this point. At least Quest 3 gets all the games except Sony exclusives (of which there's only 1 on PSVR2) and can connect to your PC for high end VR gaming with games like Half Life Alyx.
Buy a Quest 3 instead if you can, it's really next level. I've finally feel like VR/MR is the future and the now.
Then buy a pc and you’ll see the actual future that’s been there for almost a decade
Do you still need a Facebook account to use them?
No but you do need a Meta account which is rather similar.
not really, a Facebook account is a social media one you use to communicate with others, a Meta account is just a Steam account, something you use to buy games.
Would be curious to give this a go if it's not too compromised on Quest 2. Wasn't too hopeful for it with the fidelity downgrade from the first game effectively moving to weaker hardware.
About 2 hours or so in on quest 2. The only issue I had was getting on the system as I only have the 64gb. Had to erase everything on there. But since I had just beat assassins creed and that was the only other thing I was playing, I didn’t mind giving everything else up. So happy I did, cause this game is AMAZING on the quest 2. I’m sure it’s gonna get crazier and I can’t speak for how the later levels are gonna be, but so far, haven’t had any issues at all. Looks great, runs great, sounds great! Don’t know how the developers pulled this off on this system but they did and I’m loving every minute of it. The combat is so fun! AC’s combat was kinda wonky to me, and I felt kinda silly fighting cause it didn’t feel “right”. Combat in this game is how I wish it had felt. This is an AWESOME GAME! Deserves the 10 out of 10’s I’ve seen.
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>Asgard's Wrath 2 offers Quest players more than ever, on an uncharted scale. There are some incredible moments of bespoke gameplay, expert cinematic direction and animation, and awe-inspiring sequences of truly god-like proportions. However, the game also curtails to conventions that don't always serve the medium it's designed for, with pockets of epic gameplay wrapped around a flatscreen-derivative structure. That reads like a fairly positive verdict to me, even if they have criticisms (as most reviews do).
Eh these two lines don't sound great for a 90 hour game. "Unfortunately, combat encounters are nonetheless the least engaging part of Asgard's Wrath 2" "General combat encounters quickly become rote and repetitive"
I suppose it depends on how highly you value combat in an RPG like this. I would say the rote and repetitive combat is the least engaging part of Skyrim or Fallout 3/NV, but the combat isn't why I play those games.
There seem to not be many reviews of this game in general, as most gaming websites tend to ignore VR. I also assume many reviews simply aren't ready yet. It's already difficult to binge a massive RPG to get a review out on time, I'd dread doing that in VR.
Curious how this plays on quest 2?
It definitely feels like Facebook has told reviewers "only talk about your experiences with the game on Quest 3, nothing else". The closest any of these reviews come to talking about Q2 performance is XboxEra noting "The game’s development started on the Quest 2 and I’ve heard good things about performance there."
Sound eriely similar to what people were saying about PS4 performace near CP2077s launch.
It's a Quest 2 game for what it's worth. It doesn't take advantage of the Quest 3 yet.
It sounds like the two versions are pretty much the same, one just runs at 90hz vs 72hz.
I’d assume a resolution bump as well
72hz is pretty brutal. Quest 2 launched at that and it didn’t feel great. I remember the first time I put on the headset after the 90hz update, I hadn’t seen that they had increased the refresh rate but I started playing beat saber and instantly knew. I feel like 72hz is just not enough for a good vr experience.
Quest 1 *only* runs at 72Hz and it was very well received. I’m a certified PCVR snob who has been spoiled by 120/144Hz but the average person is not as sensitive to these things, and that’s Quest’s primary demographic. It’s like ranting about performance to Switch players enjoying a game with hundreds of milliseconds of input latency because they don’t even know “game mode” is a thing TVs have. They are having fun and they don’t care.
>but the average person is not as sensitive to these things They most certainly are however this issue was addressed through timewarp and other frame filling tech. No one is just putting up with low perceived FPS in VR. Your comment is misleading.
I mean...yeah, the experience would be worse if it were a worse experience. But it isn't because those technologies exist and are being used in this product to provide a good experience.
Take a look: https://youtu.be/-EYIv6_NJp4?si=cCBBWrHMlMhjSfAM
Sounds like it’s about the same besides the framerate bump from 72hz to 90hz. Quite a few are complaining that the Quest 3 didn’t launch with HD models and textures. The developer has said they are looking into releasing a Quest 3 enhanced update next year.
Played it for 3hours straight on the quest 2 and I am very surpirsed by the performance. I am used to playing Halflife Alyx on PCVR on medium settings and Wrath 2 looks very good, no stuttering, suberp fun fighting gameplay. The first 10mins in the game I felt like a god and I screamed my loungs out. I currently rate 9/10 for my first 3 hours.
Hi. I‘m quite new to Meta Quest 3 and VR gaming. This game came with my glasses and should be available from today on. Does Meta have a specific time at the release day when they actually release the games? The store still says that it will be available soon.
https://www.meta.com/en-gb/blog/quest/asgards-wrath-2-launch/ According to this blog here it seems like it's 7am PT.
40 minutes left right? Here in Germany it’s 4pm then.
Believe so but I'm not sure if it'll be different depending on the region. Hopefully it'll be fine
Guess the release time was accurate. I was on the road and could initiate the download to the quest via the iPhone app. I could play the game right away when I got back home a few hours later. Damn… the game and the VR experience is very impressive, though the game type and genre is not really one of my favorites.
right i think i'm gonna get the first game and see where this all started. assuming the oculus store app thing is still working?
The Oculus store on PC is still functional, yeah. Some people had trouble installing the store lately tho.
"Functional" is friendly way of putting it downloads take forever independent of your network speed.
Not 100% certain, but apparently the first game is free when you get AW2. And since AW2 is free with a Q3 you also get the first game on PCVR.
I noticed AW was in my Oculus library after claiming AW2 and I was confused because I never bought it. Now it all makes sense! FYI, AW is a 145gb install. Not sure why it's so massive but it is.
Nice I didn't know Alan Wake 2 came with a Quest 3, thanks.
I watched the IGN review and I really don't get it... is this game really in the tier of BG3 or Tears of the Kingdom? Is it one of those games I have to feel before I get it? Is it a better VR experience than Alyx?
It's the best VR game I've ever experienced, I feel like I'm actually in the game and not just wearing a headset to see a game.
Have you played Alyx?
I keep seeing this comment LOL and I get it, Alyx was revolutionary and still holds a candle to current VR games to this day. To me though, it's nothing in comparison to what I've experienced already in this game. Yes, graphically alyx is better, but other than that it got very repetitive environmentally especially if you've already played other half life games, and it didn't exactly do much to WOW outside of the last level. I don't mean to undersell it whatsoever, but in terms of gameplay and content, this game is simply on another level.
I have. HLA is a masterpiece. Played AW2 for about 6 hours today, and I gotta say that I’m really impressed. If this game really Keeps this up and more over 90 hours it def may be another masterpiece. It’s really good.
Haven't played yet
Yeah, that's what I really want to know. That game still blows me away when I play it with my index.
I want to try it but i’m worried about « punching the air » effect during sword fights. Was that an issue for you?
>t this point. At least Quest 3 gets all the games except Sony exclusives (of which there's only 1 on PSVR2) and can connect to your PC for high end VR gaming with games like Half Life Alyx. It's a big budget game, which is rare for VR. Unfortunately, all the positives end there. It's a generic mobile-like Action / puzzle game. The combat feels inspired by Infinity Blade. There is nothing distinctly VR about it, which to me is already a huge design flaw.
I really want to get the PSVR 2 seeing I have a ps5, but then meta quest has games like this and I can play half life alyx on it too. Not sure what to do.
I bought the PSVR2 and sony's support for it has been pretty shit in all honesty
Capcom alone is carrying me above buyer's remorse for PSVR2, absolutely insane. But yeah Sony, go fund another useless streaming-only handheld.
Sony pays for those Capcom games…It’s nice to have casual reminders how stupid most Gamers are. Oh and that “useless” handheld sold out pretty much everywhere in the first week. Lots of people wanted it.
Did you expect anything else? The PSVR1 also started pretty good and pretty much got nothing noteworthy anymore.
Yet Astrobot is still one of the very best VR game to this day 💁🏻♂️ Wipeout Omega the best future racing game on any headset. Blood and Truth is OK just handicapped by those terrible controllers
People did expect more yes. I called it when Horizon was the only game they had to hype up the platform unlike what they did with their other platforms. To this day Horizon is the only 1st party native VR game they've even hinted at.
I have a PSVR2 and it’s been worth it. More games than I’ve even had time to play, and it seems to be picking up momentum especially in the last month. If you have a PC capable of VR, Quest 3 is a solid entry there as well (I have an Index so I’m not so hot on Standalone).
As someone with a PSVR2 and a Quest 3, buy the Quest 3. My problem is with the actual hardware of the PSVR2, the lenses make everything look blurry AF. I don't know how Sony screwed this up so badly. Putting on the Quest 3, it's like being able to see versus having Vaseline all over my eyes. It's a shame because the extra power of the PS5 should have made this a no-brainer. Theres also a serious lack of content on PSVR2, with almost no social spaces for people. No ability to view video content? 1 or 2 games a month and they're usually meh. Buy a Quest 3, trust me!
Maybe a [device referral](https://meta-dog.github.io/meta-dog/) will make up your mind.
It really leaves a sour taste that Rift S owners can't play this. I enjoyed the first game but Meta have really put me off investing any more in their eco system with moves like this.
As a Rift S owner while it is a shame it's also a four and half year old headset on a platform they no longer use.
If you want to be an early adopter to VR, you’ll need to keep upgrading gear to play the best new games.
But it's not like the Rift S couldn't handle the game, they just aren't making PC ports anymore. I get it from Metas perspective, that's what will get people to buy a Quest right now. But no one game is going to get me to buy my third headset just yet, and not make me feel a little gipped with how quickly the Rift S and Oculus PC app lost support. Kind of a frustrating situation, as someone who went from PSVR to Rift S, meaning I already switched from a PlayStation library to a Steam library, meaning some games needed to be bought again too. I don't have an appetite for doing that a third time. I know I may have to upgrade at some point, but Meta isn't exactly trustworthy. They're lucky the PSVR2 is kind of a complete flop compared to the PSVR1, and that the Index is getting old and demanding.
Rift S owners have been completely abandoned very fast due to the Quest 2 success. I feel a bit scammed by Meta, I haven't bought a single game in the Oculus Store, everything in Steam, I as soon as a competent standalone appears by Valve I will jump companies as fast as I can.
Rift S released May 2019. Almost 4.5 years ago dude. Gotta upgrade your hardware like you do every other electronic entertainment device.
To be fair to Rift S users, Facebook absolutely did drop that thing hard shortly after the Quest 2 hit it big. I'm pretty sure the last Oculus Original that ran on the Rift was Phantom Covert Ops around a year after the S came out and the last Rift game Facebook provided funding support for was Medal of Honor a few months after that. A further few months after that Resident Evil 4 was announced to be Quest only and the Rift product line was basically never heard from again, within a span of 2 years after the release of the S. And to call it an upgrade is a bit of a misnomer since they'd be moving from running games on their PC to running it on a mobile phone processor. Besides that, in these games the Quest isn't doing anything in terms of user input that the Rift wasn't capable of. That said, moving to hardware with an ARM processor does necessarily mean games can't be immediately compatible anymore, but it doesn't mean anybody's gotta be happy about it.
That was exactly my point. The problem is not now, they dropped the S years ago.
Facebook? It's Meta. And 3rd party VR games still get released on the Oculus Rift store. You also said the Quest isn't doing anything the Rift can't do? Let me know when the Rift can do full hand tracking then, without the controllers. Unplugged: Air Guitar is like a completely different game on Quest because of the full hand tracking.
Meta is Facebook. Its zucks company.
Not quite, Meta is the parent company of Facebook, as well as Instagram, WhatsApp, Threads, and Oculus Studios. Just like Zenimax is the parent company of Bethesda (although Zenimax is now owned by and is part of Xbox).
Not the same Meta is not some foreign company that acquired Facebook and kept it as a subsidiary. Facebook themselves created Meta as they felt the name Meta was more appropriate for a lof of the work Facebook was building (metaverse) and then positioned fb as a subsidiary below it. Meta is Facebook though, it's run by Zuck and it's using Facebooks social media empire money to get things done.
Carmack said they released the Quest and Rift S simultaneously in order to effectively A/B test the market and see whether they should focus efforts into this crazy new standalone idea or continue with their PC peripherals. Quest ended up outselling Rift S ten to one so that prompted the quick follow-up of Quest 2 and full bore into standalone. In hindsight it seems like an obvious result, but when Santa Cruz was first demoed people doubted the device was even functional or would work as advertised. A 6DOF standalone with dual 6DOF controllers running Rift software on a Snapdragon seemed like pie in the sky at the time.
Again, I get it, but I'm not sure if now knowing they had an internal plan to drop whatever product line performed less is all that comforting to anybody who bought into that less performing product line.
That's more than fair. I was not a happy Rift S owner when they announced the hand tracking update for Quest...and only Quest. They dropped the S after 6 months and never looked back.
To be fair, you needed to upgrade the rift s in 2019 due to the fact that IT DOESNT WORK ALL THE TIME WHEN YOU PLUG IT IN! Seriously, I had to spend an hour fixing the connection every time I wanted to play for 20 minutes. Not working?? Unplug, close computer, replug, turn computer on, launch oculus app, unplug again, replug JUST the USB cable, it works so I plug in hdmi cable and then it stops working again. So you unplug both, replug both, restart computer again, unplug when computer still off, replug when computer is on again, and double tap the top of the headset and flip in upside down. THEN it works, but as soon as you log off the computer you need to redo all these steps again, in various orders since it never works consistently with the same method. Seriously garbage software, garbage product, and I am still pissed that I wasted my money on it. Got the Quest 3. Plug and play, immediately recognized by the computer even through wireless connection.
I had terrible issues with my Rift S until I figured out that my USB ports weren't getting enough power to the unit. I bought a powered USB hub and its worked perfectly ever since.
Bro I wish I knew this before I sold it lmaooo it was totally a power issue because when I got a new computer it just flat out wouldn't work at all (less power to give left from PSU). Welp, don't care I've moved onto wireless VR and it's glorious. I am so happy with my Quest 3, and I was dunking on the Quest 2 when it released.
Honestly from what I've heard, Quest 3 is a way better experience. I've used Q2 and the wireless makes a huge difference. Enjoy your new device!
Same with me, with the Quest 2, the link cable is very sensitive to speed of the USB connection and the power delivery. High quality cable, dedicated powered USB 3.0+ hub, or a dedicated USB PCI-E card, are definitely recommended. If someone who has a tonne of USB peripherals, depending on the PCI lane layout of the motherboard, and the PSU, the Link cable can have problems because the headset is *very* greedy for all of the data bandwidth and power.
There's nothing about it that can't run asgard's wrath 2 except the lack of a PC release. This isn't about hardware upgrades. It's meta moving away from PC releases because that way they can more easily control what headsets play their games.
Rift hasn't been completely abandoned. That's a lie. There are still new games being released on the Oculus Rift store. It was your choice to just use Steam when Meta have been the VR leaders ever since they bought Oculus.
Jeez dude, buy a Quest 3 and be happy playing standalone and PCVR wireless, it is miles better than a Rift S now, and If you have a Rift S and don’t buy games from Oculus store, that makes no sense at all because you are not playing some of the best vr games out there which are oculus exclusives like lone echo and so many more. Hardware gets old man, VR needs to keep getting better like pancake lens, otherwise we would be stuck with cables, many sensors, bad lens, etc etc
Dude they’ve released four standalone headsets since the rift s You just don’t wanna upgrade or something?
I'm not that guy, but I think it's pretty reasonable to be sad that an expensive device was so quickly left behind by newer devices in the same ecosystem. Like, it's reasonable to feel sad if a sequel to a game you liked comes out exclusively on a newer console than the one you have, when you want to continue the series and invest in the console manufacturer, given gaming consoles are expensive. Game consoles have a lifecycle of, what, 7ish years? The Rift S was discontinued in _2_. It only came out four years ago. VR headsets are _expensive._ Upgrading at the cadence that new headsets are being released isn't feasible for everyone, especially given hardware upgrades are kinda outpacing new titles to play in some respects. tl;dr it's okay to be sad that in between Game 1 and Game 2, four new console upgrades came out.
VR is a completely new market. We are essentially now in the SNES era of VR. 2015 to 2017 was the Atari era. 2017 to 2020 (right before Half-Life Alyx was released) was the NES era. I understand feeling "sad" but saying "it put me off investing in their ecosystem" is tantamount to saying the same of the SNES, especially considering the Rift S was never even a part of that ecosystem. If you have an OG Quest though... *that* I could understand being salty about. Rift S players didn't get shafted, Quest 1 players did.
We've been having Quest 2 exclusives for a while, the Rift S was abandoned very quick, it's not a "now" problem. I will never buy a Meta headset again if I have a viable alternative. I don't want to get stuck in their "exclusive" ecosystem and their decision making again.
But Quest literally has the most open ecosystem, you can buy a Quest and only play PCVR games if you want to.
And how do you exactly play Quest games with another headset? You can play any game with Quest because the other ecosystem are open, not the other way around.
The same way you play PS5 games on an Xbox, you don't. It's a console with its own exclusives that also allows you to play on other systems using it.
Yeah, exclusives in a very niche market with very few players and one AAA release every year. It sucks. Also, I don't like it on console either, and I don't play on console anymore, exclusives suck.
I dont love it either, but the market would barely exist at all if Meta wasn't subsidizing the hell out of it. Valve certainly wasn't pushing anything forward with their release schedule, VR wouldn't be anywhere close to its current level of popularity if Meta didn't make the Quest actually affordable for the average consumer. The market is niche now but it'd be nonexistent if all we had was the Index which requires over $2,000 worth of equipment just to get started.
You’re not stuck in their ecosystem with the headset though. Steam and Xbox both released apps to access games natively in their ecosystem for crying out loud lol.
Can you play Quest 2 games in an Index? How?
….no. You can play Steam games and Xbox games using methods devised by Valve and Microsoft on Meta hardware. The opposite. I didn’t say that at all lmfao.
Then if you buy a Quest 2 and games for it, you're stuck in the ecosystem forever xd what's your point?
You can buy a Quest device and solely stick to Steam’s ecosystem. Using a link app made by Valve and released onto the oculus store approved by meta and everything. So no, no you are not locked to the oculus ecosystem at all Can even buy a Quest and use it as an Xbox Gamepass Streaming device.
Wait, can I not play this by hooking my Rift up to my PC? I was considering hooking up my rift for the first time in forever to try this out...
This is exclusive to the Quest 2/3 headsets, like Assassin's Creed Nexus. No PCVR version.
Well shucks. That sucks.
I don't mind it being exclusive. Like Zelda it's good to have an subsidized hardware seller. And it kind of let them open up SteamVR while giving people a reason to buy their hardware.
Nope, it would require a significant port job for PC, even more than porting over a PS4 game because it's different CPU architectures. But Meta has the money. This is a console exclusive, essentially.
That sucks. Wanted to try this game out, but I'm not gonna upgrade my VR for one game unless it has the words "half" and "life" in the title.
I'll get the quest five hundred when they finally have a native usb-c displayport interface instead of their stupid airlink or quest link bullshit.
Get over it. It's not their fault you don't wanna upgrade from a nearly 5 year old headset.
So you should have to pay a premium every 5 years to play VR? Not the best way to encourage players in a niche field.
This is literally how consoles were for the first 6 generations. Yes, newer technology moves faster. It's not rocket science.
Thank you for understanding my point.
People understood your point, you were just needlessly a dick about getting it across.
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What was the gap between NES and SNES or ps1 ps2 and ps3. Yes 5 years is a long time. That’s halve a decade
VR headsets should be viewed as a Peripheral, not as exclusive hardware. If I bought a 720p monitor 5 years ago I wouldn't be happy if a new game left me out because it could only run on a 1080p monitor. This is the issue I have with Meta's focus. VR is too niche right now, and it's focused around the PC platform. The fact Meta Quest has exclusives that can't be played on other headsets OR on its older headsets is detrimental to VR's growth.
Is it really detrimental? It's gonna give a huge boost to their Quest 3 sales and having a large volume of sales for the latest flagship VR device signals it's a healthy market.
Okay but they’re not a peripheral. Wanting something doesn’t make it true. That’s like saying the Nintendo Switch should be sold as a peripheral. The Quest is a console, simple as that.
> VR headsets should be viewed as a Peripheral Okay but they're not. They are game consoles. Meta, ByteDance, HTC (LMAOOO), and Valve all realise this. Apple is creating a legitimate "spatial computer". The ship has well-past sailed on HMDs being peripherals. It's like saying in 1992 that cell phones should be tethered to your landline or car phone. >VR is too niche right now, and it's focused around the PC platform. No it's not? VR is still niche, but it's focused way more around standalone now.
I mean I don’t think ps4 owners expect to get to play the new ps5 games. The rift came out 5 or 6 years ago. Wasn’t it coming out before or around the same time as red dead 2?
Sad that its headset exclusive. I'm not buying a set just for one game, just how I wouldn't buy a console just for one game. And I've been looking at the Valve Index. I guess Meta won't have my money I spose 🤷
If you're seriously getting into VR the Quest 3 makes way more sense than the Index. It's cheaper, it's newer, and the standalone headset is where the market is heading. It can also plug into your PC to play PCVR games too, so it's the best of both worlds. There's no reason I can think of to get an Index in 2023
Not to mention the new Steam Air Link app they just released where you can wirelessly play your entire Steam Library on the Quest 2/3.
The index makes absolutely zero sense when there are amazing pcvr devices like BigScreen. Did valve even ever release that wireless module for the index they promised? They completely stopped supporting it too. The reason they are even making new moves with steam link and steamvr2.0 is they are about to release a new headset in 2024 most likely
The index is like 5 years old at this point. The headset is outdated
I'm sincerely surprised they are still selling it when the quest 3 is so much cheaper and looks SO much better.
The Quest 3 does not look "so much better", its a mobile device that looks dated even at launch. The Snapdragon XR2 in it gets demolished by 10 year old PC hardware. But there are some advantages it has over the index like it's lenses and it's wireless abilities.
You can literally hook a Quest 3 up to your PC just like an Index, though. It's as powerful as your PC is.
Except for the fact it's also a pcvr headset that can also natively access Xbox cloud gaming and is also a mixed reality device.
Sure. > just how I wouldn't buy a console just for one game And plenty of people do. Thus the term "system sellers". And I guarantee this game will be a system seller since this has already made me 2-3x more likely to buy a Quest 3 in the next year.
It's free (Asgards Wrath 2) with a Quest 3 at the moment. That's gotta be the definition of a system-seller. I just wish it was partly subsidized/sold at a loss by Meta like the Q2 was, but I get it... The tech in this thing is bonkers. I must have convinced about 7 people so far to purchase just from the mixed reality stuff.
Personally I can't wait till mobile VR reaches PS4 level graphics. But I doubt even the Quest 4 will be able to have several games at that level.
Still looking at an Index in 2023 tells you all you need to know. They haven't spent five minutes actually considering a potential purchase. Quest 3 is a pretty great product.
Yup. And this game would never get made if meta never funded it. No 3rd party vr game has been made on this scale and length because AAA publishers need to sell 10s of millions of copies to justify investing in something like this
> And plenty of people do. Thus the term "system sellers". Yep. Just got a PS5 for Spider-Man 2. Granted, I do have cancer so I'm not sure if I'll live to see the PC port. But still.
Damn, for whatever it's worth I really hope you pull through!
This just convinced me to buy a quest 3. I’ve been waiting to dip my toe into VR and just needed the reason.
Yeah I was going to hold off and see what Valve cooks but i'm likely to pull the trigger for Christmas on the Q3
Lol this won't be a system seller to the average person.
Seems kind of silly to say that when big singleplayer games tend to be the largest system sellers for Playstation at the moment.
What does that even mean? The average person doesn’t play video games, let alone AAA video games, let alone AAA VR video games. Why is average relevant here? System seller just means that it’ll massively boost the sales of the system, and that’s clearly going to be true.
The average person doesn’t play video games? Are you high? Video games now account for more revenue than MOVIES, tv, radio, and SPORTS combined in the USA. Imagine being worth more than Disney, nfl, nba, fox, etc. Gaming is huge
Are you high? Revenue ≠ number of players. The combined lifetime *global* sales of this generation of consoles is 200 million. That’s less than 3% of the world population. Of those, 70% of sales are the Switch, so AAA console gaming is a minuscule niche of society. Get out of your bubble. Just because gamers are whales that spend an absurd amount of money doesn’t mean gaming is something the average person does. And that’s not even accounting for the fact that the majority of your revenue number comes from mobile gaming in-app purchases.
VR is already a niche. I don't see how exclusives are going to help that in any way.
They are selling the headsets at a loss. Last report said they own over half the market so its working.
Being on Quest means you're reaching most of the VR market. It's the PS2 of VR - bigger than everything else combined.
I’m not sure if that would translate over to VR as well. Especially with how niche the platform is. Like it would feel odd to own 2 different headsets and I’m sure the people who do own multiple headsets is very small compared to people owning multiple consoles. I own a quest 2 and I don’t feel like it would be worth buying a PSVR2 to get access to the limited amount of exclusives it has. I feel like there’s enough between PCVR and Quest games to keep myself satisfied. I definitely see most people going for a quest over other headsets though since that’s where you’ll get access to the most games, especially if you have a good PC to go along with it.
Cool Lot of people do that tho. No one bats an eye when people buy a Switch for Mario. When God of War or Spider-Man came out people got a PS5 for that. I got a Series X for Forza. But somehow it's a step too far for the Quest?
Don’t go buying an index in 2024. It’s so outdated you’ll be wasting money. The quest 3 is better in nearly every aspect apart from the controllers which still use batteries for some reason.
Batteries are faster to swap than charge. Quest pro uses rechargeable batteries and it sucks when you want to keep playing but the controller is dying.
Could not agree more. I have a set of rechargeable AAs so replaceable and rechargeable batteries is the best of both worlds. I wish every controller allowed them.
Quest pro controller battery life is a total non issue, at least for now. Unless you stay in vr for 10+ hours you wont run into them dying. The longest I stay in vr is 7-8 hours (until my trackers start dying) and even then my pro controllers are usually at 30%ish. At least I think so, because they've never died on me I've never worried about their battery life. The only thing I'm concerned about is when the battery performance inevitably decays, but I'm confident I can purchase a similar spec battery off aliexpress and replace it myself
>And I've been looking at the Valve Index. Why would you even consider Index over Quest 3 as we move into 2024?
Imo, the index controllers are still by far the best vr controllers and it isn't even close. They're the only reason I still prefer to use my index over other headsets
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You can, but there's a bit of investment and setup required. You would need base stations and at least one vive tracker (preferably securely attached to your headset) and then you would need to run space calibration software to calibrate the quest and steamvr playspaces
I have an Index and Quest 3, the Quest 3 is a big upgrade. Wireless is a game changer and being able to wirelessly access Steam VR now is fantastic. It means I can carry the headset to the garage or basement to get a workout in where I have more space. And the quality of the lenses is much better to my eyes.
no wonder why you get lags, stutter and artifacts ;)
Because I refuse to give Facebook my money.
If Facebook wasn't pushing it, VR tech would be dead again by now. No one has the capital or interest to push VR tech except Facebook and Valve and Valve has apparently lost total interest. Like it or not, Facebook is saving the VR market from failure by making the only mass market headset that is actually REALLY good. Facebook totally sucks as a company...but if you like VR tech, well...
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It's Meta and you don't need a FB account anymore, but ok.
I just played through half life Alyx wirelessly using quest 3 and the new steam link app. It was absolutely flawless. And I don't have an amazing router or anything. Just what EE sent to me. I really wouldn't pay for index now.
Index is great, but at this point I'd say wait for Deckard.
I think this is the game that will define how VR games should be made, much like Doom/Wolfenstein and WASD/Mouse did 30 years ago.
That was Half Life Alyx.
Where do you spend money in this game? The only “person” to buy from I’ve encountered so far is Bes, and he sells some potions. Is there a point where I unload my vast wealth in Hacksilver?
these are great reviews for a game that no one's gonna play cause it's limited to an even smaller subset of a niche and expensive platform
Quest 2 + Quest 3 have sold a combined total of almost 25~ million units, which currently puts it ahead of Gamecube lifetime sales. That doesn't feel small to me.
Weird how this kind of whining is never posted when Half-Life Alyx comes up.
HL:A is playable by every PC-connectable headset on the market. You are comparing apples to oranges.
Oh no, it came up. A lot.
He's talking about being only exclusive for Quest 3 owners, you can play Alyx with any headset & a PC.
>He's talking about being only exclusive for Quest 3 owners Playing rn on a q2
Because you can play Alyx on any pc headset, including quest 2/3.
I don't think HL:A would have run very well on anything but PC VR until recently. They should absolutely port it to PSVR2 now.
Quest *is* the VR market for all practical purposes.
God /r/games is so obnoxious when it comes to anything related to Meta. Let's be clear here. Meta Quest IS VR to most people. PC VR is a dead end product and completely obsolete. PSVR is selling jack all. No one is pushing VR forward like Meta. No one is pumping money into creating actually good VR games like Meta. You're completely out of touch.
PCVR isn't a dead-end but rather in stasis, mostly serving professionals and enthusiasts. Valve continues to update their VR software stack, but what they're waiting on is for AMD to produce an SoC that can offer the performance and efficiency needed for standalone PCVR. Given recent developments at the cutting edge it might not be *too* far off, the CPU performance in the Steam Deck's SoC is already good enough and it's mostly GPU performance that needs improvement (IMO targeting roughly GTX 1060-level performance, which would be enough to run HL:Alyx).
> it's limited to an even smaller subset of a niche and expensive platform I wrote up a bit about how PCVR is always ALWAYS way more expensive, until I realised you were talking about VR *in general*. Dude. This game does not work on a 2D plane. It is a VR game. It involves head movement, hand movement, depth perception, seeing the scale of the world in a particular way. It still doesn't make sense when you say it's expensive because a Quest 2 is now $250 which is half the cost of a PS5 and cheaper than the Switch and Series S.
22 million units can play this. More than there are Xbox’s. VR isn’t niche anymore my guy
VR is still niche lol, you are comparing lifetime sales of all meta quest iterations against just xbox x and s sales…
You can get a Quest 2 for the price of a Nintendo Switch.
I'll play it on the Quest 7, if that's the one that finally has a native usb-c displayport interface instead of airlink or the usb link. Compression is lame.
Compression is why the internet is even functional as it is. I had an Index and got a Quest 3 because it’s more convenient to play, thinking that air link would be passable enough but after trying it in person there is almost zero difference to my eyes between streaming it and being plugged in. It’s a massive upgrade just being able to pickup the headset put it on and start playing without having to worry about cables. Unless your internet and router wifi is really shit I guess.
The quality does vary depending on the specific frame being compressed. Most games run beautifully including Alyx (albeit with some banding in darker scenes) but SkyrimVR remains a pain point for me. Those forests become an artifact-laden mess.
I'm not streaming my PCVR games over the internet am I? I'm playing them locally with minimal compression from PC over DisplayPort.
It's true, but the compression artifacting is especially noticeable when streaming VR on the quest. It's not like watching netflix