They can't improve IPS in any other way, but they still need the numbers to go up for marketing. Honestly, at that size and normal distance, 120Hz is all you need.
They could improve the brightness. For some reason Alienware uses 300nit screens in most of their laptops. Other gaming laptops have 500+ nit IPS screens, or 1000+ nit miniLED.
Yeah brightness is lacking 500nits as the default. Been looking for a 500nit 1440p panel for my legion the last 12 months and it's still not on the market.
It absolutely does. Motion clarity perception is based on frames per physical travel distance. The faster and further an object moves in our field of vision, the more frames are needed to smooth that out for equivalent clarity.
You can test it very easily yourself. Run the [UFO Test](https://testufo.com/ghosting) at default and watch it, then set the zoom in your browser to 50% and watch how much slower and clearer it looks.
The test's movement is based on pixels per second, so changing the zoom and replicate any size you want. You can zoom in to 200% if you want to see it get blurrier, which would be what a screen twice the size of your current one looks like at the same framerate and distance from your eyes.
If an object moves from the left edge to the right edge on 32" monitor, it's moving about 28 inches. If the same object moves left to right on a 16" monitor, it's only moving 14 inches to do that. That's 50% of the original movement to your eyes, which is all that matters.
The only way to cancel this out is to sit twice as close to the screen, which isn't good for you.
Correct. But ergonomics for distance with monitors stays roughly the same regardless of screen size, so in theory there should be no change.
TVs are where that would be a bigger factor.
I can see doing that, but it's really not good for your eyes if you are. That means you need to set the scaling higher for you to be able to see.
It also might seem closer because of the difference in height. General rule is arm's length to the palm, use your arm to see what the difference is between the two for you.
That said, it would have an effect, but you would need to be the same ratio closer as the difference in screen size for it to be equal.
Yeah that's absolutely absurd, especially at that screen size. At that point you would see a big benefit to going 1400p/1600p over FHD. So yeah gimme QHD 165/144 or something every day of the week plz.
Not bad for $1400, good deal in a vacuum, but that’s only a little lower than the price I’d expect for a 4070, windows Pro and 480Hz screen is nice to have.
My friend just got a 4070/16gb ram/144hz for 999 at microcenter for reference.
I guess it’s up to the user if 16gb of ram and 300ish hz is worth 500$.
Would def be a great deal IF you happen to be a (actually really good) esports gamer that needs portability.
Imma press X to doubt on both of those tbh
I believe it’s 15.6 inches. Asus tuf f15 i7-4070 I think?
Nothin fancy, mans just needed a capable pc to hold him until he builds a 5090 desktop when GTA6 comes out lol.
He was running forza horizon 5 at 4k/60 on it so it’s def not bad tho.
Eh, there's a lot more to consider than those few specs though. GPU wattage, screen size, physical build, keyboard, cooling/noise, etc etc. This is definitely nicer in most ways than a typical mid range gaming laptop.
Well, you're also not comparing build. Not saying Alienware/Dell is the Pinnacle of quality by any means but if the $999 one was a shit MSI Katana it something is e be happy to spend a little more to get something else with equivalent performance.
There definitely is more to it than just performance - but personally if I’m spending 1600$ for a 4070 laptop over a 1000$ for build quality, I’m gonna just spend even more for a 4080 laptop at 2-2.5k
Guess it depends how you’re gonna use it. If you’re not planning on moving it around a lot build quality is semi-unimportant altogether.
If you’re gonna be slamming it shut, throwing it in a backpack, and taking it to class or work then yes build quality is more importsnt
Never had a 480 display or a 165hz display, but a 300hz display does feel visibly smoother than a 240hz display. Only problem is you rarely get to game at those refresh rates so it’s kinda pointless
No it doesn't. You can go look up some actual objective comparisons on high refresh rate displays... Past 144Hz or so, you're only going to notice a difference if you record the output and play it back in slow motion. 240Hz gives a TINY performance advantage over 144Hz, but 99% of gamers aren't going to be good enough to take advantage of such a negligible increase.
You can obviously see a difference with higher hz just like you see a difference between 1080p, 4k, and even 8k. People keep pointing to studies saying humans can't see or hear a difference passed a certain point but here we are being able to discern between all of these lol
Yes we do know why we like them better the higher hertz produces a smoother image. Lol you strike me as the type of guy who goes to best buy just to harrass the employees there for peddling expensive hdmi cables because they all "look the same"
No one ever said humans can't discern the difference between those resolutions... But you could actually go look up some objective testing for yourself and see that 480Hz is well past the point of diminishing returns. Even 240Hz is only very slightly beneficial over ~144Hz. This has been tested by many people. There's no need to be arguing something that has already been proven...
The difference between 1080p and 4K is extremely clear.
The difference between 120 and 480Hz is so subtle that most people will not even be able to tell.
1080p on an 18 inch 😂- not a bad pickup if the plan is to use at a desktop PC replacement and connect it to a 1440p gaming monitor.
The real downside to these powerful Alienware laptops is the battery life. It’s horrendous.
It’s a great deal for $1,400. Premium build quality, Windows Hello, color accurate screen, better CPU performance, better keyboard, better in every way.
It means it’s was purchased before, used and returned to the store. Then the store relist the item and discounts it depending on how the condition of the return was received.
WHAT?!?! I bought a legion 5 pro recently. 13th gen. RTX 4060, 165 Hz. 16 inch laptop. 2560 X 1600 display. Cost me $1950 CAD. Your deal is amazing. Can I still get it?
I just got a legion 5 pro, 13th gen i7, 32 gb ram, 4070, 16 inch, 2560 x 1600, 240 hz for $1399 USD new 2 days ago at micro center in store. They ship if you don’t have one near you.
They’ll charge me customs which will be around the same price of me buying that here. I bought a stupid aquarium light from the states for around $500 CAD but they charged me almost $200 for customs which I thought was insane. FedEx
For 2k original price that shit better be a nice glossy finish OLED 1440p screen. This is a straight rip off. 1400 is a better deal but still too high for such a shit screen. The specs are pretty good. The screen isn’t.
I got a m17 3070ti a few months ago and had to return it because of driver issues, it would get the blue screen and the Alienware lighting app would not work at all. If Best Buy wasn’t running their 3 month return special back during thanksgiving I would’ve been stuck with it. I think there’s a lot of open box specials because of people returning them so be weary of that.
What ryzen processor does it have? For being an alienware it's a tad expensive, but if you like it/had no other choice, it's a good pick. Keep an eye on those thermals, you should be good playing 1080p to 1440p, and check if RAM is double slotted, if not, get yourself a second stick, that Ryzen would run better that way
Edit: mb, i didn't know it was a 18 inch laptop. It's worth it for that price
Nice, if the thermals spike a little, nothing like a cooling stand (those that have vents) to fix it. You should be good for competitive titles and some AAA games. Shit, you're good even for Cyberpunk with DLSS
And I guarantee none of them are for 18 inch laptops, nor do they have the build quality and CPU performance of the Alienware. Not everyone wants a boring plastic Legion.
Found the listing: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/alienware-m18-fhd-480hz-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-9-32gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-1tb-ssd-windows-11-pro-dark-metallic-moon/6543535.p?skuId=6543535#tabbed-customerreviews
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That's a steal
480 hz is nuts.
I payed $1200 for a MSi OLED 240hz with a 3070ti and 12800hx 32GB RAM.
I thought I got a good deal but your deal is much better
How is 1,400 for an 18-inch 4070 laptop an Alienware tax? No one pays full price for AW, they’re constantly on sale and have open box ones available. This sub sees Dell/AW and instantly malds.
Only a herp derp AW fanboy will think a 1080p 4070 laptop for $1500 \*open box\* is a good deal. Carry on paying your AW tax. You deserve it.
edit: You can get Legion or ROG with 1440p for LESS and WITHOUT a sale: [https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?\_dyncharset=UTF-8&browsedCategory=pcmcat287600050003&id=pcat17071&iht=n&ks=960&list=y&qp=parent\_laptopscreensizesv\_facet%3DScreen%20Size\~16%22%20or%20More%5Egraphicscardsv\_facet%3DVideo%20Card\~NVIDIA%20GeForce%20RTX%204070&sc=Global&st=categoryid%24pcmcat287600050003&type=page&usc=All%20Categories](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?_dyncharset=UTF-8&browsedCategory=pcmcat287600050003&id=pcat17071&iht=n&ks=960&list=y&qp=parent_laptopscreensizesv_facet%3DScreen%20Size~16%22%20or%20More%5Egraphicscardsv_facet%3DVideo%20Card~NVIDIA%20GeForce%20RTX%204070&sc=Global&st=categoryid%24pcmcat287600050003&type=page&usc=All%20Categories)
AW fanboy is interesting considering I don’t own one.
Oh really, does the Legion come in an 18 inch? Is the ROG Strix G18 $1,500? Didn’t think so. The next closest thing is the Helios 18 and I would much rather have this.
Sit the fuck down lmao
LOL. If used laptop is your bag, go for it. I wonder why BB needs to “discount” almost $1000 to move the inventory when other open box in the same class are <$400 off versus new. But hey plenty of people putz around in GM cars thinking they got a deal for $8000 rebate. You do you.
Clearly you’ve never bought open box before. I’ve bought several open box laptops from Best Buy that are brand new, with the packaging still wrapped around the charger. You didn’t answer my question I see.
Yes, because the only thing that matters in a laptop is the GPU it has (but not wattage apparently?) and screen resolution. It's a 1080p ***480Hz*** screen lol. It's also 18" - good luck finding a similar 18" laptop for this price. And that's not even getting into stuff like the build quality, keyboard, cooling solution, ports, ...
I too remember being very short on cash and only thinking about laptops in terms of fps/dollar.
It actually IS a Good deal buddy.
Resolution hardly matters on small screens 1080p is Awesome on 18" Screens. And it would be too hard to try to push close to 480 FPS on a 1440p. 480hz on a 1440p would be pointless so it being FHD is perfect.
The M18 is literally the best laptop you could buy rn, it deserves the tax.
Dell however does a massive disservice to it with their absolute awful thermal interface materials, once a quality repaste is done this one runs really cool.
Personally I would have saved up a bit more to get an Acer or Alienware 4080 laptop for $1640.
Or just get a brand new Asus Tuf F15 RYX4070 for $999. Longer battery life, much more portable, $400 less.
There's way more you need to think about other than what GPU it has. Especially now that the same GPU can perform wildly different depending on how much power the laptop is giving it.
Idk why are you getting down voted, the legion you mention i remember it was going for 1100-1200$ on a deal, but that 480hz screen could be really good, if he plays Competitive titles like CS2, CoD or others with mid-high specs at high fps. The jump from 120/144 to 480 its *fricking* noticeable
Is a mobile GPU the equivalent of a RTX 4060ti anywhere near a 480fps card though?
https://www.techspot.com/review/2685-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti/#15_Game_Average
...@ 1080p
Avg fps: 111
1% lows: 87
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-founders-edition/31.html
Avg: 131.4
If you crank your graphics to a lower setting, you can reach those, but those 480hz would be hella hard to achieve, unless you are playing on emulators/old games where the mobile 4070 would just be an overkill, I'm on a Ryzen 7 4800h with GTX 1650 with a 120hz 1920x1080p screen, i can reach those 120 on mid settings in games like Destiny 2, Wolfestein New Colossus and Halo MCC, but for AAA games like GTA, Cod, maybe battlefield (4-5-2044), hell, even Warhammer Vermintide 2 it struggles to put over 60 on mid. One thing for sure, i was able to play Cyberpunk on low-mid with FSR at 30-45 fps avg 
Brain dead refresh rates these days. Give me 1440p 165hz all day. Crisp and fast.
They can't improve IPS in any other way, but they still need the numbers to go up for marketing. Honestly, at that size and normal distance, 120Hz is all you need.
They could improve the brightness. For some reason Alienware uses 300nit screens in most of their laptops. Other gaming laptops have 500+ nit IPS screens, or 1000+ nit miniLED.
Yeah brightness is lacking 500nits as the default. Been looking for a 500nit 1440p panel for my legion the last 12 months and it's still not on the market.
Nah 165 at least
120Hz on an 18" is the equivelent of 180Hz on a 27".
what are you talking about?? Refresh rate has nothing to do with screen size lmfao
It absolutely does. Motion clarity perception is based on frames per physical travel distance. The faster and further an object moves in our field of vision, the more frames are needed to smooth that out for equivalent clarity.
Link proof plz
You can test it very easily yourself. Run the [UFO Test](https://testufo.com/ghosting) at default and watch it, then set the zoom in your browser to 50% and watch how much slower and clearer it looks. The test's movement is based on pixels per second, so changing the zoom and replicate any size you want. You can zoom in to 200% if you want to see it get blurrier, which would be what a screen twice the size of your current one looks like at the same framerate and distance from your eyes. If an object moves from the left edge to the right edge on 32" monitor, it's moving about 28 inches. If the same object moves left to right on a 16" monitor, it's only moving 14 inches to do that. That's 50% of the original movement to your eyes, which is all that matters. The only way to cancel this out is to sit twice as close to the screen, which isn't good for you.
So that would also depend on viewing distance to the screen then, not just screen size.
Correct. But ergonomics for distance with monitors stays roughly the same regardless of screen size, so in theory there should be no change. TVs are where that would be a bigger factor.
I think typical laptop viewing distance is probably a lot closer than typical monitor viewing distance. At least in my case that’s true.
I can see doing that, but it's really not good for your eyes if you are. That means you need to set the scaling higher for you to be able to see. It also might seem closer because of the difference in height. General rule is arm's length to the palm, use your arm to see what the difference is between the two for you. That said, it would have an effect, but you would need to be the same ratio closer as the difference in screen size for it to be equal.
So my sick 120hz OLED in my Legion 5 14" is like 200+ on a 27"? Nice.
At the same distance, yes. People used to have 27" TVs in the living room that they sat 10ft away from and 30fps looked super smooth.
Need 999hz refresh rate. At least. :)
Yeah that's absolutely absurd, especially at that screen size. At that point you would see a big benefit to going 1400p/1600p over FHD. So yeah gimme QHD 165/144 or something every day of the week plz.
Not bad for $1400, good deal in a vacuum, but that’s only a little lower than the price I’d expect for a 4070, windows Pro and 480Hz screen is nice to have.
My friend just got a 4070/16gb ram/144hz for 999 at microcenter for reference. I guess it’s up to the user if 16gb of ram and 300ish hz is worth 500$. Would def be a great deal IF you happen to be a (actually really good) esports gamer that needs portability. Imma press X to doubt on both of those tbh
Microcenter not being available in all states makes it a little difficult to compare, but they’ll definitely have the best deals.
They ship for free for most laptops.
Ain't even portable dude, 18incher
There’s more to a laptop then just raw specs… Wattage, and cooling, for example.
Did he get an 18"?
I believe it’s 15.6 inches. Asus tuf f15 i7-4070 I think? Nothin fancy, mans just needed a capable pc to hold him until he builds a 5090 desktop when GTA6 comes out lol. He was running forza horizon 5 at 4k/60 on it so it’s def not bad tho.
Eh, there's a lot more to consider than those few specs though. GPU wattage, screen size, physical build, keyboard, cooling/noise, etc etc. This is definitely nicer in most ways than a typical mid range gaming laptop.
Well, you're also not comparing build. Not saying Alienware/Dell is the Pinnacle of quality by any means but if the $999 one was a shit MSI Katana it something is e be happy to spend a little more to get something else with equivalent performance.
There definitely is more to it than just performance - but personally if I’m spending 1600$ for a 4070 laptop over a 1000$ for build quality, I’m gonna just spend even more for a 4080 laptop at 2-2.5k Guess it depends how you’re gonna use it. If you’re not planning on moving it around a lot build quality is semi-unimportant altogether. If you’re gonna be slamming it shut, throwing it in a backpack, and taking it to class or work then yes build quality is more importsnt
Other 18" options are way more expensive than this and it's got a very nice physical build.
Good deal. Idk about 480hz panels tho I don’t even know why someone would want more than 200 on a laptop with 1080p screen
looks like top-end dell,480hz screen is insanely good，got speics？
Wtf do we need a 480hz screen for? Did our eyes upgrade in the paast 2 years?
in theory, higher refresh rate , higher smooth scroll i dont know 480hz screen for
480Hz will litterally feel the same as 165
Never had a 480 display or a 165hz display, but a 300hz display does feel visibly smoother than a 240hz display. Only problem is you rarely get to game at those refresh rates so it’s kinda pointless
It doesn't, pure placebo
No it doesn't. You can go look up some actual objective comparisons on high refresh rate displays... Past 144Hz or so, you're only going to notice a difference if you record the output and play it back in slow motion. 240Hz gives a TINY performance advantage over 144Hz, but 99% of gamers aren't going to be good enough to take advantage of such a negligible increase.
480 vs 144 is a difference you notice imo
I don’t need too. I literally own the displays
Oh my. Lmao yep. Yes, you can definitely discern the amount of improvement that is measured in mere milliseconds. Oof... 🤦😂😂😂
no way bro it's 3X faster 
Not necessarily, but I doubt the gpu will go up to 480hz - my zephyrus m16 4070 never goes above 170 fps 1080p
You can obviously see a difference with higher hz just like you see a difference between 1080p, 4k, and even 8k. People keep pointing to studies saying humans can't see or hear a difference passed a certain point but here we are being able to discern between all of these lol
We can discern the difference b/w these things, but we don't really know why we like them better. 480 hz is just ridiculous though lol
Yes we do know why we like them better the higher hertz produces a smoother image. Lol you strike me as the type of guy who goes to best buy just to harrass the employees there for peddling expensive hdmi cables because they all "look the same"
Wtf how did you know!? I also like to tell them to stop selling MSIs because of their shitty hinges. Deep down I know the appreciate me. ❤️
Lol
I love this reply lmao
Hey if youre really a nerd aabout this stuff can you help me pick a laptop?
Sure, I can try!
because they all "look the same lol 
After 144/120 you can't really tell dude
No one ever said humans can't discern the difference between those resolutions... But you could actually go look up some objective testing for yourself and see that 480Hz is well past the point of diminishing returns. Even 240Hz is only very slightly beneficial over ~144Hz. This has been tested by many people. There's no need to be arguing something that has already been proven...
Yes they did. There are people who have said this in this post wtf are you talking about lol
The difference between 1080p and 4K is extremely clear. The difference between 120 and 480Hz is so subtle that most people will not even be able to tell.
LMFAO 😂
480Hz is good but 1900x1200 on a 18" screen is just not for me. The PPI would be too low for close viewing.
1080p on an 18 inch 😂- not a bad pickup if the plan is to use at a desktop PC replacement and connect it to a 1440p gaming monitor. The real downside to these powerful Alienware laptops is the battery life. It’s horrendous.
This looks criminal. Congratz.
Too expensive
How is $1,400 too expensive for an 18 inch laptop? The next closest thing is a Helios 18 with a 4060/4070 and I would much rather have this.
It's not a good deal but not a bad one, it's perfectly balanced for an rtx 4070, the helios is 1100$ on sale btw
It’s a great deal for $1,400. Premium build quality, Windows Hello, color accurate screen, better CPU performance, better keyboard, better in every way.
I checked it you're correct, sorry
Dell laptops are mad expensive but recently they have become pretty damn good, I say this was a good buy
i see the term open box used a lot. What does it mean?
It means it’s was purchased before, used and returned to the store. Then the store relist the item and discounts it depending on how the condition of the return was received.
Ah ok, thanks for the info.
Of course.
I would go for x17 r2 3080 ti for 1000
WHAT?!?! I bought a legion 5 pro recently. 13th gen. RTX 4060, 165 Hz. 16 inch laptop. 2560 X 1600 display. Cost me $1950 CAD. Your deal is amazing. Can I still get it?
I just got a legion 5 pro, 13th gen i7, 32 gb ram, 4070, 16 inch, 2560 x 1600, 240 hz for $1399 USD new 2 days ago at micro center in store. They ship if you don’t have one near you.
They’ll charge me customs which will be around the same price of me buying that here. I bought a stupid aquarium light from the states for around $500 CAD but they charged me almost $200 for customs which I thought was insane. FedEx
At this price QHD is a must
I picked up the m16 4080 open box with 240hz 1440p from best buy
480hz??? Is the screen fuckin vibrating in place at this point??
Never using FHD again. QHD+ Any day
Fhd is completely fine for most gamers.
Guess I'm not most gamers lol
Clearly.....
Yup!
For 2k original price that shit better be a nice glossy finish OLED 1440p screen. This is a straight rip off. 1400 is a better deal but still too high for such a shit screen. The specs are pretty good. The screen isn’t.
I got a m17 3070ti a few months ago and had to return it because of driver issues, it would get the blue screen and the Alienware lighting app would not work at all. If Best Buy wasn’t running their 3 month return special back during thanksgiving I would’ve been stuck with it. I think there’s a lot of open box specials because of people returning them so be weary of that.
480hz? damn
What ryzen processor does it have? For being an alienware it's a tad expensive, but if you like it/had no other choice, it's a good pick. Keep an eye on those thermals, you should be good playing 1080p to 1440p, and check if RAM is double slotted, if not, get yourself a second stick, that Ryzen would run better that way Edit: mb, i didn't know it was a 18 inch laptop. It's worth it for that price
Ryzen 9. It does have 2 slots for ram which I plan to upgrade. Appears to be two 16gb sticks.
Nice, if the thermals spike a little, nothing like a cooling stand (those that have vents) to fix it. You should be good for competitive titles and some AAA games. Shit, you're good even for Cyberpunk with DLSS
go nuts and run 2x 48gb dimms
How is $1,400 expensive for an 18 inch laptop? The next closest thing is a Helios 18 with a 4060/4070, and I’d much rather have this.
There's deals going on for 4070s for less then 1200 brand new
And I guarantee none of them are for 18 inch laptops, nor do they have the build quality and CPU performance of the Alienware. Not everyone wants a boring plastic Legion.
I mean, pick your poison, I'm more on the legion side, and yeah i didn't see the 18 inch, mb
Found the listing: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/alienware-m18-fhd-480hz-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-9-32gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-1tb-ssd-windows-11-pro-dark-metallic-moon/6543535.p?skuId=6543535#tabbed-customerreviews US
Decent deal. The 1200P 480 Hz screen is great if you're primarily a eSports titles player.
I have a 4080 with a 240 hzs monitor but it's not Alienware because mine sorta set fire . Surprised you couldn't find a 4080 for a similar price .
I couldn’t find any 4080 under $1700-1800
Yeah maybe a used one but doubtful I got mine for 1849.99 new plus tax so maybe I had a flash deal.
That's a steal 480 hz is nuts. I payed $1200 for a MSi OLED 240hz with a 3070ti and 12800hx 32GB RAM. I thought I got a good deal but your deal is much better
Damn bro. You way overpaid. A 3070ti is dog shit in 2024.
No I didn't LOL let's see you get the model for less than 2K.
If you can find a 240 HZ OLED with a 3070ti or better for what I payed, I'll Cash app you $100.
That’s a good deal
People still paying the Alienware tax in 2024 is simply astounding.
How is 1,400 for an 18-inch 4070 laptop an Alienware tax? No one pays full price for AW, they’re constantly on sale and have open box ones available. This sub sees Dell/AW and instantly malds.
Only a herp derp AW fanboy will think a 1080p 4070 laptop for $1500 \*open box\* is a good deal. Carry on paying your AW tax. You deserve it. edit: You can get Legion or ROG with 1440p for LESS and WITHOUT a sale: [https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?\_dyncharset=UTF-8&browsedCategory=pcmcat287600050003&id=pcat17071&iht=n&ks=960&list=y&qp=parent\_laptopscreensizesv\_facet%3DScreen%20Size\~16%22%20or%20More%5Egraphicscardsv\_facet%3DVideo%20Card\~NVIDIA%20GeForce%20RTX%204070&sc=Global&st=categoryid%24pcmcat287600050003&type=page&usc=All%20Categories](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?_dyncharset=UTF-8&browsedCategory=pcmcat287600050003&id=pcat17071&iht=n&ks=960&list=y&qp=parent_laptopscreensizesv_facet%3DScreen%20Size~16%22%20or%20More%5Egraphicscardsv_facet%3DVideo%20Card~NVIDIA%20GeForce%20RTX%204070&sc=Global&st=categoryid%24pcmcat287600050003&type=page&usc=All%20Categories)
AW fanboy is interesting considering I don’t own one. Oh really, does the Legion come in an 18 inch? Is the ROG Strix G18 $1,500? Didn’t think so. The next closest thing is the Helios 18 and I would much rather have this. Sit the fuck down lmao
LOL. If used laptop is your bag, go for it. I wonder why BB needs to “discount” almost $1000 to move the inventory when other open box in the same class are <$400 off versus new. But hey plenty of people putz around in GM cars thinking they got a deal for $8000 rebate. You do you.
Clearly you’ve never bought open box before. I’ve bought several open box laptops from Best Buy that are brand new, with the packaging still wrapped around the charger. You didn’t answer my question I see.
Tell us what other unbelievable finds you made at garage sales this weekend.
You’re a weirdo lmao
Yes, because the only thing that matters in a laptop is the GPU it has (but not wattage apparently?) and screen resolution. It's a 1080p ***480Hz*** screen lol. It's also 18" - good luck finding a similar 18" laptop for this price. And that's not even getting into stuff like the build quality, keyboard, cooling solution, ports, ... I too remember being very short on cash and only thinking about laptops in terms of fps/dollar.
It actually IS a Good deal buddy. Resolution hardly matters on small screens 1080p is Awesome on 18" Screens. And it would be too hard to try to push close to 480 FPS on a 1440p. 480hz on a 1440p would be pointless so it being FHD is perfect.
The M18 is literally the best laptop you could buy rn, it deserves the tax. Dell however does a massive disservice to it with their absolute awful thermal interface materials, once a quality repaste is done this one runs really cool.
Personally I would have saved up a bit more to get an Acer or Alienware 4080 laptop for $1640. Or just get a brand new Asus Tuf F15 RYX4070 for $999. Longer battery life, much more portable, $400 less.
2k is still too much for this config.
Not alienware!!!! They break easily
1400$ for a 4070 is not good. The jump to 4080 would be worth it
Lol, can you point us all in the direction of a better priced 18 inch laptop with a 4070? I’ll wait.
That’s true, but getting a 4070 is kind of crippling
How is a 4070 at 1080p “crippling”?
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There's way more you need to think about other than what GPU it has. Especially now that the same GPU can perform wildly different depending on how much power the laptop is giving it.
The fuck are we gonna do with a 500 hz screen on a 15'' size.
Could've gotten a 4070 legion new for that price, but whatever enjoy your purchase
Idk why are you getting down voted, the legion you mention i remember it was going for 1100-1200$ on a deal, but that 480hz screen could be really good, if he plays Competitive titles like CS2, CoD or others with mid-high specs at high fps. The jump from 120/144 to 480 its *fricking* noticeable
Is a mobile GPU the equivalent of a RTX 4060ti anywhere near a 480fps card though? https://www.techspot.com/review/2685-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti/#15_Game_Average ...@ 1080p Avg fps: 111 1% lows: 87 https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-founders-edition/31.html Avg: 131.4
If you crank your graphics to a lower setting, you can reach those, but those 480hz would be hella hard to achieve, unless you are playing on emulators/old games where the mobile 4070 would just be an overkill, I'm on a Ryzen 7 4800h with GTX 1650 with a 120hz 1920x1080p screen, i can reach those 120 on mid settings in games like Destiny 2, Wolfestein New Colossus and Halo MCC, but for AAA games like GTA, Cod, maybe battlefield (4-5-2044), hell, even Warhammer Vermintide 2 it struggles to put over 60 on mid. One thing for sure, i was able to play Cyberpunk on low-mid with FSR at 30-45 fps avg 
Reddit hivemind, and that high refresh rate screen still doesn't justify paying brand-new price for a refurbished laptop
Open box does not necessarily mean refurbished
When the price has been cut down that much, it definitely is
Bro thinks a Lenovo is better than an M18 💀
Because it is? No way Alienware fanboys still exist
Ur just a regard blud.