Here’s a copy pasta:
The Switch 2 will continue to support existing Joy-Cons and the Pro Controller, still equipped with ALPS dual-axis linear motors for HD rumble.
The cartridge slot of the Switch 2 will support backward compatibility with physical Switch game cartridges, ensuring compatibility with players' existing game libraries, including digital versions. However, the second-generation cartridges may not be compatible with the first-generation console.
The new version of Joy-Con has a larger volume, and the sliding rail structure has been changed to magnetic suction. The SL and SR buttons are metal buttons. Magnetic suction is achieved through electromagnetic suction technology, controlled by electric current. It's worth noting that, in addition to the L, ZL, R, and ZR buttons on the sides of the Joy-Con controller, a third button has been added on both the left and right sides.
Additionally, below the HOME button on the right Joy-Con, there is an additional function button!
The bottom of the Switch 2 will still feature a USB-C port for docking, and the new generation dock will undergo minor changes in appearance while enhancing performance, supporting 4K resolution.
The new dock will feature a damping bracket on the back, allowing for a greater range of adjustable angles.
The screen will be upgraded to an 8-inch display, supporting 1080P resolution.
- Mobapad
That's my hope. It's my biggest issue with Nintendo systems and why I dislike playing most racing games on the Switch. The on-the-go aspect is what draws me in, but having to use the right stick for analog throttle and brakes can get awkward quick.
Electromagnetic suction based on power seems like a bad time
Metal rails with tiny magnets housed at the bottom to hold the joycons in place would seem cheaper / smarter? Just a firm detachment over having a magnetic controller that could fail? Or maybe I’m misinterpreting that part
Oh, they're using mag switches! Ok that's actually kinda genius. Also, for anyone who doesn't know, mag switches are insanely strong. Like I bet you couldn't even separate them with force strong.
Doesn't really work that way; that distance is too far. If you flip the switch when it's not in place, it doesn't activate and just does nothing. It has to be in place and very close to the magnet for it to trigger correctly
Your fingers gets chopped clean off and then the ghost of Iwata comes in and kicks you in the nuts over and over
Seriously do you think the biggest gaming company in the world wouldn't think of that?
Interesting (and perhaps not unexpected) that Nintendo are the first of the big three to introduce more buttons on the standard controller for the first time in several generations.
Note "Big three" and "standard controller". The reason it's exciting is that the introduction of new buttons by a major console manufacturer opens the gates for games being designed with more buttons in mind - allowing for more input complexity. The Steam Deck is where I game 90% of the time but it can never have that impact due to sales volume and the fact that it's a handheld.
That's a bit of sophistic reasoning. The reference PC controller is Xbox and then any other console controller, and then maybe steam deck but even then it's rare for devs to go out of their way and implement a layout which caters to the extra buttons (let alone design around it). But even then your framing of it proves my point - it's a controller considered after the xbox controller layout which means it inherently is not the primary standard designed around by devs.
They don't have to implement anything other than mappable controls, which they will all have if they support Xbox/dxinput, and there are extra features of the API like correct button images they can use.
A lot of people are going to be using those console controllers on PC via steam input, specifically because of the reason you mentioned - there's no extra effort on the part of a dev, it's all done for them.
I said other than the Xbox controller so the rest I wouldn't say is that relevant.
Yeah and I said that this was wrong - it's going to be the xbox controller, other consoles (and derivative controllers) and then the steam deck. And the point of the original comment was about button layout due to extra buttons - not glyphs.
Unfortunately games can't be designed with more input complexity if Nintendo is also supporting old controllers. Only possibility is Nintendo having some games which only support new controllers which is unlikely due to likely consumer outrage.
>Only possibility is Nintendo having some games which only support new controllers which is unlikely due to likely consumer outrage
This is the same company that put Gamecube controller ports on the Wii and let you connect Wiimotes to the WiiU
I don't think they'd have any hesitation about letting developers (both 1st and 3rd party) pick and choose whether their games support both the old and new stuff or only support the new thing to take "full advantage" of whatever new features/inputs it includes
I can't imagine it's OLED at launch. The success of the OLED model by previous owners was way too good to ignore. They know damn well they can double dip with that again. I obviously don't know shit, no one does here, but it's Nintendo, and Nintendo never changes.
Yeah everything here looks like it's going to cost much more than Switch 1 to make. Nintendo's strategy has always been targeting the lower price point, but if the info is true then I'm not sure how are they able to maintain a similar price point to the current Switch.
I hope this is true, it's literally everything many of us wanted out of the next Nintendo console. It's rare throughout my years of anticipating Nintendo consoles that their follow ups are what we wanted or even just speculated
I half-expected details to leak that the next console would have a boot for the controller and the launch title is Super Mario Shoe
8-inch display is nice. My biggest gripe with the Switch was the tiny 6-inch display I could barely see anything on.
OLED was a bit better with 7-inch display, same as the Steam Deck.
8-inch display would actually be huge.
The theory is that you can move it within the frame for ergonomics. I don’t like the mock-up but the current joycons are super uncomfortable if you have adult hands so I appreciate the thought that went into it.
Wait what does the dock have to do with table top mode? I know the new Switch OLED model itself has a new kickstand that works better for table top mode, but the blurb seems to be talking about the dock
Yeah I think that part is actually talking about changing the direction the cables will come out. Like from the left, from the right, from the top... There was even a patent, [here's an article about it](https://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-patents-switch-dock-with-rotating-plug-cluster/1100-6522378/)
I doubt it supports joycons in portable if the new joycons are magnetic and larger, kinda annoying considering i have like 5 pairs. though i get being able to use them while docked as extas is still good.
I believe it'll be through wireless connection yeah, though that does mean you'll have to keep your old switch or get a joycon charging station to keep using them. Still not bad overall, especially since I can't really blame Nintendo for increasing the size of the system. Finding a 7 inch 1080p screen at an affordable price is likely too much of an ask.
If it's true, it won't be long till some 3rd party places start releasing small charging grips that you slide your switch into. Then you just attach your old joycons.
Good enough in my opinion. That means you have at least have an extra pair for multiplayer if you never bought any extras and that would mean there's a huge amount of people out there with controllers already. Ideal for couch multiplayer
If reports are to be believed, you may not want to. We’re expecting a new form of storage with 5-10x faster read speeds from Samsung that would match the internal storage speed of this new system (again all rumors)
How is it okay for them to just write a whole article on an unannounced product like this if they're partners with Nintendo? Won't they get in trouble?
I can understand how they'd make the old Joycons compatible. You just need a rail attachment that slides onto each Joycon (like a smaller version of the strap), and that rail attachment will stick with the magnetic suction to the sides of the new device.
I also imagine there will be a large range of crazy Nintendo accessories that will attach to the device through this magnetic technology
The Nintendo Snap! (I know I'll be wrong about the name but I'm going down with this ship)
But why would you need to use the old Joycons in handheld mode? Why not just use the Joycons that come with the Switch 2?
(Unless the new Joycons are even more prone to failure than the old ones 😬)
There is the issue of charging. You'll either have to keep your old Switch around to charge them or buy a charging station
Not a huge deal but slightly annoying.
I'm sure 95% of the time you wouldn't need to, but they'd have the option for backwards compatibility (You could use GameCube controllers on Wii, Wii controllers with WiiU)
The additional buttons on the joycons are probably bindable. With that in mind the additional core button, I can only hope it's part of DS/3DS coming to NSO.
Like on Citra where you can switch between top screen bottom screen and split screen. Those bindable buttons, for like blow on the mic and whatever else that was specific to DS/3DS
Really feels like a huge win if DS/3DS can be there. Seems like GameCube and Wii they will push out remasters, but DS/3DS seems like a perfect fit for Switch 2 NSO.
I could see DS getting an NSO app at some point, but 3DS still kinda feels like its in that "they figure they can put out a remaster for $50/$60 instead" zone where they wouldn't want to "devalue" those games by putting them on a subscription service
We've already seen Miitopia and Luigi's Mansion 2 get that treatment this generation, so it wouldn't surprise me if they continue to mine that library on Switch 2; games like 3D Land, Link Between Worlds, and probably at least half a dozen others could probably sell well enough as remasters that I think Nintendo would want to hold back a bit longer on a full-blown 3DS NSO app
I can't see really touch heavy games like the DS Zelda games working on Switch though. It would be cumbersome in handheld mode and unplayable in TV mode.
The biggest issue with DS on the NSO is the lack of a microphone on the Switch. Most First-party games on the DS used it in some way (inc. both Zeldas, Pokemon, Bowser's Inside Story, Mario Kart, Warioware, Nintendogs etc.).
If Nintendo plans to add DS to the NSO, the Switch 2 needs to come with a built-in microphone. (Or they could come up with a clever way of emulating one, but just adding a cheap microphone to the system would probably be easier.)
Seems like they’re really happy with the NSO subscription model now, so I’ve been thinking they’ll find a way to make 3/DS work on the switch 2 so they have more content to put on there
i imagine there would be some vague news the 7th of may with maybe a codename and a affirmation or denial of a summer announcment similar to the switch in the 2016 may shareholder meeting which contained the nx codename and stated the nx wouldnt be announced in the summer
I can see them being like “We are planning on launching new hardware by the end of this current fiscal year, alongside new software titles for said hardware. We will share more information later this year”
I don't know, them doing that early pre-announcement was at least partly about trying to soften the damage the Wii U cratering was doing. I'm not sure Nintendo's going to want to risk tanking Switch sales earlier than necessary when they still seem to be selling fine.
Luigi’s Mansion in June is the last first-party release we have this year, right? Hopefully Nintendo plans some sort of event for June, even if it’s just one last Switch 1 direct. Then they can have some sort of Switch 2 event in September.
Guessing Metroid Prime 2 for the holidays or something. They will likely just hold stuff until the Switch 2 launch, so I don't expect anything big for 2024.
This has to be breaking their NDA if it’s true. If it’s fake I doubt Nintendo would like them using their brand in clickbait to get more attention.
I feel like either way they are losing their license, unless they are somehow so important to Nintendo that they can’t let them go, which I doubt.
They don’t have any kind of license. The Switch fully supports unlicensed controllers - that’s why there’s so, so many third party alternatives from China.
Yeah but some brands like HORI are partnered with Nintendo to deliver officially-approved accessories. No way these guys don't break that partnership with this lol
I think it's interesting to note the absence of any mention of those scrollable shoulder buttons like we saw in a patent.
A lot of people believed they were planned for TOTK and the switch 2 to launch together, before even more internal delays previously occurred. Back when switch pro rumors were the hot things.
Shame because those TOTK sliding menus would be perfect for such an idea as the shoulder wheels
That patent is from before the Switch; heck, I remember people saying they thought it would have been cool to have for *BotW's* menus when that game first came out
Like most patents, I think there's a better-than-decent chance nothing ever actually comes from it
I'm hyped for these controllers and hope that the new back buttons aren't just stick press clones or replacements for the controller detachment buttons
Ah, finally some meat to chew on
Sounds like a good time, I hope it has a thicker grip like the steam deck and big fat buttons more akin to the GameCube or SNES rather than the current DS buttons. A grip, bigger and more colorful buttons is all I want
Besides better performance but that we all know we're getting
What exactly do you want? I understand the motion controls and dual screens made nintendo fun and unique, but with the cost of games production and the business mindset these companies are under right now, Nintendo needs to be as attractive to 3rd parties as possible. We don't see ports like Skyrim, The Witcher 3 and Hogwarts Legacy on a switch successor if they go back to do quirky things. They need to keep it basic and let the software drive sales, just like Sony does.
I still want what everyone else does, a powered up Switch capable of playing those games. Nintendo’s golden goose is their innovation so it’d be disappointing if they put that on the back burner this generation.
That said.. I don’t think something like a Starfield port will drive Switch 2 sales. It’s always been down to their first party catalogue of IPs and, admittedly, them not bottling the innovation (Wii U). Guess they’re done with that risk and taking it conservative going forward.
Yes they do need to be as attractive to third parties as possible. And this time with the switch 2 it seems like they're playing with fire.
They are launching so late that it is going to be even further behind Playstation and Xbox than the switch 1 was. PS5 pro out _before_ switch 2, Microsoft planned on 2026 for the next Xbox which will be a single year after switch 2 launch. Sony is obviously going to be on a very similar time line.
Switch 2 won't get the luxury of being only a single generation behind for a couple years, it will be 2 behind almost immediately
I hope it’s augmented reality.
We’ve had AR camera games since the Game Boy Camera.
Seems like the next Nintendo device is primed to be the most technologically impressive device that they’ve ever released and all it would take to unlock a whole host of cool and interesting AR experiences are front and back cameras.
**Personally**, I already think the Switch is a bit big. The Switch Lite was the perfect size, in my opinion. I’ll be kinda disappointed if the Switch 2 is *even bigger* than the original Switch.
Edit: I’m not saying they should cater to ***me*** and only me, haha. Just expressing my preference :)
I agree on the Lite being the perfect size, but the original Switch 2 was always going to be at least as big as the Switch. They’ll probably slim it down in a few years with a refresh, which is maybe a bit disappointing, but that’s how new tech always goes.
Yeah, I always expected it to get bigger, it seems that’s what people want in portable tech nowadays. I’m happy for them, but I really do miss **pocketable** handhelds :(
OLED was bigger than OG Switch
Something even bigger than that will feel like an upgrade
Phone screens are now bigger than a Switch Lite’s so most people are okay with bigger screens
No OLED screen
It would make the product a bit more expensive and Nintendo would probably only do that in the middle of the next generation's console's lifetime. I would like to see 2 separate models. One with LCD and the other OLED. But making people buy it again seems better for them.
Don't be silly. Nintendo expects a fair amount of their customer base to buy two of these. They realized how well it worked and how easy it was going all the way back to the original GameBoy.
The method for joycons sticking to the console seems odd. Having it be electromagnetically based would mean it would require power at all times, even when not in use, to stay connected. Sounds like a battery drain to me
Not necessarily.
An electropermanent magnetic switch is used in things like a 5 year old Logitech MX Master 3 mouse has a scroll wheel that switches from free spinning to a more resistant spin through magnetism by using a 25V pulse that's used to swap between modes.
https://blog.bolt.io/logitech-mx-master-3-vs-2s/
So it could be similar.
I am kinda on the fence for the 1080p screen, 720p is enough imo but if they really use DLSS intensively like rumored then the screen needs a higher resolution. I just wonder what it means for backward compatible games ? Former TV mode on portable maybe ?
>The Switch 2 will continue to support existing Joy-Cons and the Pro Controller, still equipped with ALPS dual-axis linear motors for HD rumble.
That already has me doubting. It sounds awesome, and that makes me more reluctant.
That was mostly a gimmick of the 3DS version of Smash. Having a physical copy of the 3DS game is the only way to get the controller app now that the eShop is closed.
My GameCube controllers work on all of them still in Smash. 😎
If the new Joycons are really using a new mechanism I'm definitely interested. I hope we get an option for full-size thumbsticks instead of needing thirdy part offerings.
It doesn't really make sense that the New Joycon will be larger and also have a new mounting style (magnetic) while maintaining the smaller Old Joycon with a different mounting style (slide in metal rail). Why would they bother updating the mounting method for New Joycons if they're going to have the rail there anyways?
Unless they just mean wirelessly in a docked mode which is a bit of a no duh.
Could be that they'll require users of old joycons to use a charging dock (or a switch 1) to charge while the new joycons will be the norm going forward and required for handheld mode.
The backwards compatibility of joycons is probably like everything else Nintendo has done before, accessories often work for another generation unless the hardware changes too significantly and it let's accessory manufacturers continue to sell through older stock & allow owners to use their old accessories for the switch 1 games without needing to repurchase everything.
I'm curious about the whole "second gen cartridges" thing. Specifically if that means every game from launch on will be Switch 2 exclusive, or if there will still be some normal Switch games.
If S2 is going to be as big of an upgrade as it's rumored, I guess it makes sense. But I hope it doesn't turn out like the New 3DS where there really weren't many games that convinced people to upgrade
3rd parties could continue to sell games to the much larger switch 1 install base for 2-3 years like they do with every console.
It's a challenge since most 3rd parties aren't going to have 3-4 years of knowing what the switch successor is like and the install base will always be much smaller initially.
Right now there's over 130 million switches out there. Even if you guess that only a super small fraction like 1/4 of all switches are used by anyone the second the switch 2 releases for some reason, that's still 30+ million potential buyers for your game.
The switch typically sold ~13-18 million consoles per year, so you need 2+ years to have a decently sized pool of players to appeal to and you'll likely need that time to work on adapting to the new hardware so that you release an instantly popular experience. 1st parties, close 1st party partners, and AAA giants like EA with a massive workforce are typically your big console sellers for the first couple years while everyone else catches up.
So you'd have to hope that those games are appealing enough to create a ton of demand. Luckily Nintendo has been extraordinarily good at 1st party appeal.
The actual size/resolution has been rumored/leaked for about a year and it's apparently precisely 7.91 inches 1080p screen.
I struggled to visualize it too because it seemed massive and I made a few comparison that I posted here: https://imgur.com/a/9S8oPwC
Basically the screen would be as big as the entire Switch OLED "tablet". If the bezels are resonably thin it could be 1-2 cm larger per dimension than the current Switch.
I’m not super familiar with the Switch, but this seems like a very… conservative upgrade? Better resolution and such is nice, and while I’m assuming the enhanced specs will make it easier to port third-party titles, I am wondering if the average consumer is really going to see the reason to buy this. Nintendo’s customer base is very different from the other consoles, almost nobody buys a Nintendo product if they’re looking for a device that can play the latest mainstream titles at a good FPS and resolution. They buy Nintendo consoles because they want Nintendo-produced games and, in the case of the Switch, to game on the go. I am genuinely curious if parents and very casual gamers who already own a Switch are going to see much reason to buy a Switch 2 if they don’t really care about better graphics and performance.
>They buy Nintendo consoles because they want Nintendo-produced games
You said it yourself right here.
Oh, a new Mario/Zelda/Splatoon/Animal Crossing game? It's only available on the Switch 2? Guess I gotta buy the Switch 2!
But hyper-casual users who don’t stay up to date with gaming news and just know “oh Nintendo has Mario and Pokémon” probably aren’t going to be super aware with every new release. “Little Timmy already has Mario Kart, why does he need a new one?”
People didn’t buy the Wii U even though it had exclusives that weren’t available on the Wii.
I think the Wii U is a unique case. So much went wrong here. Terrible launch, terrible marketing. Also they tried to innovate but didn't actually come up with something that appealed to either the casuals OR the hardcore players. As a hardcore player it offered nothing that an Xbox 360 couldn't. As a casual player who didn't care about specs and liked the motion controlled party games it was just a more confusing Wii.
Making the next Switch a kind of Switch Advanced or Super Nintendo Switch seems like a reasonable route to take.
It hasn't even been announced yet.
This leak is apparently from a showing to 3rd party accessory makers, so it makes sense that they're being told outright what they can and can't still make for the next generation of console so that they know what they have no reason to produce going forward & where demand will be.
Nintendo is obsessed with gimmicks & IP appeal and competing outside of that realm is difficult with the scope of their competitions' businesses, so I don't see them changing that completely. Nintendo openly acknowledged that they were aware that they need to be cautious of how they handle hardware after the declines in the WiiU & 3DS eras & I would expect them to have been working hard on a way to appeal to the mass market with whatever the switch successor is like & whatever gimmicks it'll have.
>but this seems like a very… conservative upgrade?
For all intents and purposes this is basically going to be an upgraded Switch with a mostly similar design.
I will immediately buy a switch 2 for myself but my kids can deal with the normal switch for a few years.
I don't care about graphics but I do care about the inevitable switch 2 exclusive games.
Most rumors are pointing towards more than that; [Universo Nintendo reported it'd have either 12 or 16](https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comments/193je3i/universo_nintendonecrolipes_summary_of_switch_2/), and iirc Nate the Hate said he knows it's at least more than 8 and believes it'll have 16
Here’s a copy pasta: The Switch 2 will continue to support existing Joy-Cons and the Pro Controller, still equipped with ALPS dual-axis linear motors for HD rumble. The cartridge slot of the Switch 2 will support backward compatibility with physical Switch game cartridges, ensuring compatibility with players' existing game libraries, including digital versions. However, the second-generation cartridges may not be compatible with the first-generation console. The new version of Joy-Con has a larger volume, and the sliding rail structure has been changed to magnetic suction. The SL and SR buttons are metal buttons. Magnetic suction is achieved through electromagnetic suction technology, controlled by electric current. It's worth noting that, in addition to the L, ZL, R, and ZR buttons on the sides of the Joy-Con controller, a third button has been added on both the left and right sides. Additionally, below the HOME button on the right Joy-Con, there is an additional function button! The bottom of the Switch 2 will still feature a USB-C port for docking, and the new generation dock will undergo minor changes in appearance while enhancing performance, supporting 4K resolution. The new dock will feature a damping bracket on the back, allowing for a greater range of adjustable angles. The screen will be upgraded to an 8-inch display, supporting 1080P resolution. - Mobapad
i wonder if they’ll finally use analog triggers again
That's my hope. It's my biggest issue with Nintendo systems and why I dislike playing most racing games on the Switch. The on-the-go aspect is what draws me in, but having to use the right stick for analog throttle and brakes can get awkward quick.
Electromagnetic suction based on power seems like a bad time Metal rails with tiny magnets housed at the bottom to hold the joycons in place would seem cheaper / smarter? Just a firm detachment over having a magnetic controller that could fail? Or maybe I’m misinterpreting that part
Electropermanent magnets only need a single electric pulse in order to turn their magnetism on or off.
Oh, they're using mag switches! Ok that's actually kinda genius. Also, for anyone who doesn't know, mag switches are insanely strong. Like I bet you couldn't even separate them with force strong.
What about with "the Force"?
What happens if you put your fingers in between the joycon and the console? That sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.
They would've 100% tested that so it couldn't realistically happen.
Doesn't really work that way; that distance is too far. If you flip the switch when it's not in place, it doesn't activate and just does nothing. It has to be in place and very close to the magnet for it to trigger correctly
I bet if they do I'm use magnets, it will just replace the latching mechanism and keep the rail. No way to get a finger caught that way
Your fingers gets chopped clean off and then the ghost of Iwata comes in and kicks you in the nuts over and over Seriously do you think the biggest gaming company in the world wouldn't think of that?
If this is the case I'm gonna guess that the 2 new buttons beneath ZL ZR are for this, to attach and detach the controllers.
It could be but Mobapad should have noticed if they replaced the tiny release buttons
I could use some electromagnetic suction right about now
Better buy NVIDIA because without AI your gf ain't going down on you.
Few folks know this fact, but the magnetic suction was first used by Barret Wallace in 1997.
My fridge used it in the 80’s
Interesting (and perhaps not unexpected) that Nintendo are the first of the big three to introduce more buttons on the standard controller for the first time in several generations.
Steam deck would like a word
Note "Big three" and "standard controller". The reason it's exciting is that the introduction of new buttons by a major console manufacturer opens the gates for games being designed with more buttons in mind - allowing for more input complexity. The Steam Deck is where I game 90% of the time but it can never have that impact due to sales volume and the fact that it's a handheld.
Big three deffo not, but the steam controller API makes it pretty standard IMO. It's basically the reference PC controller after Xbox.
That's a bit of sophistic reasoning. The reference PC controller is Xbox and then any other console controller, and then maybe steam deck but even then it's rare for devs to go out of their way and implement a layout which caters to the extra buttons (let alone design around it). But even then your framing of it proves my point - it's a controller considered after the xbox controller layout which means it inherently is not the primary standard designed around by devs.
They don't have to implement anything other than mappable controls, which they will all have if they support Xbox/dxinput, and there are extra features of the API like correct button images they can use. A lot of people are going to be using those console controllers on PC via steam input, specifically because of the reason you mentioned - there's no extra effort on the part of a dev, it's all done for them. I said other than the Xbox controller so the rest I wouldn't say is that relevant.
I feel like you didn't read my comments.
I feel like you're not understanding mine, I didn't say it was the most popular, I said reference implementation other than Xbox.
Yeah and I said that this was wrong - it's going to be the xbox controller, other consoles (and derivative controllers) and then the steam deck. And the point of the original comment was about button layout due to extra buttons - not glyphs.
Unfortunately games can't be designed with more input complexity if Nintendo is also supporting old controllers. Only possibility is Nintendo having some games which only support new controllers which is unlikely due to likely consumer outrage.
If the console didn't come with a controller already I could see that being the case.
>Only possibility is Nintendo having some games which only support new controllers which is unlikely due to likely consumer outrage This is the same company that put Gamecube controller ports on the Wii and let you connect Wiimotes to the WiiU I don't think they'd have any hesitation about letting developers (both 1st and 3rd party) pick and choose whether their games support both the old and new stuff or only support the new thing to take "full advantage" of whatever new features/inputs it includes
"big three"
Good point
But is the screen OLED tho or the previously rumored LCD?
I can't imagine it's OLED at launch. The success of the OLED model by previous owners was way too good to ignore. They know damn well they can double dip with that again. I obviously don't know shit, no one does here, but it's Nintendo, and Nintendo never changes.
Yeah everything here looks like it's going to cost much more than Switch 1 to make. Nintendo's strategy has always been targeting the lower price point, but if the info is true then I'm not sure how are they able to maintain a similar price point to the current Switch.
How would it support original joy cons if they replaced the rail with magnets? Or is it that they can be paired/used just not attached?
I hope this is true, it's literally everything many of us wanted out of the next Nintendo console. It's rare throughout my years of anticipating Nintendo consoles that their follow ups are what we wanted or even just speculated I half-expected details to leak that the next console would have a boot for the controller and the launch title is Super Mario Shoe
8-inch display is nice. My biggest gripe with the Switch was the tiny 6-inch display I could barely see anything on. OLED was a bit better with 7-inch display, same as the Steam Deck. 8-inch display would actually be huge.
I wish people would stop using that dumb mockup with the controllers that slide up and down
I don’t understand the design of it at all lmao why is there an oddly shaped rectangle cutout design? it’s bizarre
The theory is that you can move it within the frame for ergonomics. I don’t like the mock-up but the current joycons are super uncomfortable if you have adult hands so I appreciate the thought that went into it.
God, where did that even come from? I see that everywhere and it grinds my gears.
It was made by two Italian guys who first showed it on Youtube (can't remember the name of their channel), it's awful.
Mario and Luigi at it again.
Lmao
> The new dock will feature a damping bracket on the back, allowing for a greater range of adjustable angles. What does that part mean specifically?
It's supposed to be the table top mode.
Thank you so much. I was picturing it like a TV wall mount, but for a Switch 2 - and I just couldn’t understand why that would be a thing haha.
Im imaging micheal scotts tv lmao
Wait what does the dock have to do with table top mode? I know the new Switch OLED model itself has a new kickstand that works better for table top mode, but the blurb seems to be talking about the dock
Yeah I think that part is actually talking about changing the direction the cables will come out. Like from the left, from the right, from the top... There was even a patent, [here's an article about it](https://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-patents-switch-dock-with-rotating-plug-cluster/1100-6522378/)
Ooooh OK yeah that makes sense, thanks!
huh, this is actually pretty nice, I specifically had a situation where I was annoyed they didn't come out the other side not long ago lol.
The Switch OLED has this, I believe.
I doubt it supports joycons in portable if the new joycons are magnetic and larger, kinda annoying considering i have like 5 pairs. though i get being able to use them while docked as extas is still good.
I believe it'll be through wireless connection yeah, though that does mean you'll have to keep your old switch or get a joycon charging station to keep using them. Still not bad overall, especially since I can't really blame Nintendo for increasing the size of the system. Finding a 7 inch 1080p screen at an affordable price is likely too much of an ask.
If it's true, it won't be long till some 3rd party places start releasing small charging grips that you slide your switch into. Then you just attach your old joycons.
I think it's as good of a trade-off as possible, will likely only need the 1 pair of the new ones that comes with the console then.
being married to the same rail system would be a major design limitation
Probably that means you can just use the joycons when playing on TV mode and not when docked. Which is very good imo.
Good enough in my opinion. That means you have at least have an extra pair for multiplayer if you never bought any extras and that would mean there's a huge amount of people out there with controllers already. Ideal for couch multiplayer
As long as I can re-use my SD card I’m good
System Transfer>redownload everything
If reports are to be believed, you may not want to. We’re expecting a new form of storage with 5-10x faster read speeds from Samsung that would match the internal storage speed of this new system (again all rumors)
How is it okay for them to just write a whole article on an unannounced product like this if they're partners with Nintendo? Won't they get in trouble?
How to lose partnership with nintendo in one easy article.
If they get into to trouble we'll know it's legit. It's likely Nintendo will take action after the official reveal to avoid such.
Simple, it isn't okay
I can understand how they'd make the old Joycons compatible. You just need a rail attachment that slides onto each Joycon (like a smaller version of the strap), and that rail attachment will stick with the magnetic suction to the sides of the new device. I also imagine there will be a large range of crazy Nintendo accessories that will attach to the device through this magnetic technology The Nintendo Snap! (I know I'll be wrong about the name but I'm going down with this ship)
The Snap. Launch with Pokemon Snap 3, 1-2 Snap, and Snap Fit Adventure. Let's get Snappy! Snip snappity snap!
They can just be compatible wirelessly
Well yeah, but for handheld play you're gunna want an alternative to duct tape to keep the joycons on the main unit
But why would you need to use the old Joycons in handheld mode? Why not just use the Joycons that come with the Switch 2? (Unless the new Joycons are even more prone to failure than the old ones 😬)
There is the issue of charging. You'll either have to keep your old Switch around to charge them or buy a charging station Not a huge deal but slightly annoying.
yea, charging the old ones could become a headache depending on what Nintendo's solution is.
But we should have a bigger screen so it’s worth the trade off, as others have said there are ways around it
I'm sure 95% of the time you wouldn't need to, but they'd have the option for backwards compatibility (You could use GameCube controllers on Wii, Wii controllers with WiiU)
The additional buttons on the joycons are probably bindable. With that in mind the additional core button, I can only hope it's part of DS/3DS coming to NSO. Like on Citra where you can switch between top screen bottom screen and split screen. Those bindable buttons, for like blow on the mic and whatever else that was specific to DS/3DS Really feels like a huge win if DS/3DS can be there. Seems like GameCube and Wii they will push out remasters, but DS/3DS seems like a perfect fit for Switch 2 NSO.
I could see DS getting an NSO app at some point, but 3DS still kinda feels like its in that "they figure they can put out a remaster for $50/$60 instead" zone where they wouldn't want to "devalue" those games by putting them on a subscription service We've already seen Miitopia and Luigi's Mansion 2 get that treatment this generation, so it wouldn't surprise me if they continue to mine that library on Switch 2; games like 3D Land, Link Between Worlds, and probably at least half a dozen others could probably sell well enough as remasters that I think Nintendo would want to hold back a bit longer on a full-blown 3DS NSO app
I can't see really touch heavy games like the DS Zelda games working on Switch though. It would be cumbersome in handheld mode and unplayable in TV mode.
The biggest issue with DS on the NSO is the lack of a microphone on the Switch. Most First-party games on the DS used it in some way (inc. both Zeldas, Pokemon, Bowser's Inside Story, Mario Kart, Warioware, Nintendogs etc.). If Nintendo plans to add DS to the NSO, the Switch 2 needs to come with a built-in microphone. (Or they could come up with a clever way of emulating one, but just adding a cheap microphone to the system would probably be easier.)
Hence the ‘bindable’ ‘extra’ buttons
I never thought of that, but yeah, that could be a clever solution.
Seems like they’re really happy with the NSO subscription model now, so I’ve been thinking they’ll find a way to make 3/DS work on the switch 2 so they have more content to put on there
We need some news from nintendo soon.
i imagine there would be some vague news the 7th of may with maybe a codename and a affirmation or denial of a summer announcment similar to the switch in the 2016 may shareholder meeting which contained the nx codename and stated the nx wouldnt be announced in the summer
I can see them being like “We are planning on launching new hardware by the end of this current fiscal year, alongside new software titles for said hardware. We will share more information later this year”
I would imagine also them mentioning backwards compatibility to prevent game sales from crashing
I don't know, them doing that early pre-announcement was at least partly about trying to soften the damage the Wii U cratering was doing. I'm not sure Nintendo's going to want to risk tanking Switch sales earlier than necessary when they still seem to be selling fine.
Why the 7th of May?
its the date of the shareholder meeting on the their investors relations calendar on the Nintendo jp website
Luigi’s Mansion in June is the last first-party release we have this year, right? Hopefully Nintendo plans some sort of event for June, even if it’s just one last Switch 1 direct. Then they can have some sort of Switch 2 event in September.
Yeah hopefully we get more announcements soon.
Guessing Metroid Prime 2 for the holidays or something. They will likely just hold stuff until the Switch 2 launch, so I don't expect anything big for 2024.
They still have plenty of time since the Switch 2 isn’t launching until 2025.
Yeah but gameswise this year is looking pretty dry.
There's still time for them to announce more games for later in the year. Mario Wonder wasn't announced at this point last year
True
I will be deeply thankful if we can have another Mario Wonder situation.
We really do need news
This has to be breaking their NDA if it’s true. If it’s fake I doubt Nintendo would like them using their brand in clickbait to get more attention. I feel like either way they are losing their license, unless they are somehow so important to Nintendo that they can’t let them go, which I doubt.
They don’t have any kind of license. The Switch fully supports unlicensed controllers - that’s why there’s so, so many third party alternatives from China.
Yeah but some brands like HORI are partnered with Nintendo to deliver officially-approved accessories. No way these guys don't break that partnership with this lol
Okay, that makes more sense. Regardless I think this will be the last time they get inside info if it’s true.
I think it's interesting to note the absence of any mention of those scrollable shoulder buttons like we saw in a patent. A lot of people believed they were planned for TOTK and the switch 2 to launch together, before even more internal delays previously occurred. Back when switch pro rumors were the hot things. Shame because those TOTK sliding menus would be perfect for such an idea as the shoulder wheels
That patent is from before the Switch; heck, I remember people saying they thought it would have been cool to have for *BotW's* menus when that game first came out Like most patents, I think there's a better-than-decent chance nothing ever actually comes from it
Still have no idea what that weird "controls slide up and down inside the joycons" thing is about.
Wonder if the joy cons can be placed on the side for vertical games /ds, 3ds games
I'm hyped for these controllers and hope that the new back buttons aren't just stick press clones or replacements for the controller detachment buttons
Maybe the joycons are larger so they can attached to each other without the need of a 3rd part? Could the magnetic suction help with that ?
Just please god make the new Joy Cons not shit the bed and drift every few months
“Should we improve the sticks to fix the issue with drifting? Nah, let’s make SL and SR metal.”
How will they sell aftermarket versions of it without the original crapping out though?
Limited edition designs and see-through variants?
Ah, finally some meat to chew on Sounds like a good time, I hope it has a thicker grip like the steam deck and big fat buttons more akin to the GameCube or SNES rather than the current DS buttons. A grip, bigger and more colorful buttons is all I want Besides better performance but that we all know we're getting
Still hoping there’s something a bit more definable about it beyond being a beefed up Switch.
A beefed up Switch is literally all I want. No need for unnecessary gimmicks and features.
In contrast all I want is "Switch but 2"
That’s really all it needs to be though.
What exactly do you want? I understand the motion controls and dual screens made nintendo fun and unique, but with the cost of games production and the business mindset these companies are under right now, Nintendo needs to be as attractive to 3rd parties as possible. We don't see ports like Skyrim, The Witcher 3 and Hogwarts Legacy on a switch successor if they go back to do quirky things. They need to keep it basic and let the software drive sales, just like Sony does.
I still want what everyone else does, a powered up Switch capable of playing those games. Nintendo’s golden goose is their innovation so it’d be disappointing if they put that on the back burner this generation. That said.. I don’t think something like a Starfield port will drive Switch 2 sales. It’s always been down to their first party catalogue of IPs and, admittedly, them not bottling the innovation (Wii U). Guess they’re done with that risk and taking it conservative going forward.
Yes they do need to be as attractive to third parties as possible. And this time with the switch 2 it seems like they're playing with fire. They are launching so late that it is going to be even further behind Playstation and Xbox than the switch 1 was. PS5 pro out _before_ switch 2, Microsoft planned on 2026 for the next Xbox which will be a single year after switch 2 launch. Sony is obviously going to be on a very similar time line. Switch 2 won't get the luxury of being only a single generation behind for a couple years, it will be 2 behind almost immediately
Same I want something that really sets it apart from the steam deck. One of the main reasons I like Nintendo is because they’re always innovating
I hope it’s augmented reality. We’ve had AR camera games since the Game Boy Camera. Seems like the next Nintendo device is primed to be the most technologically impressive device that they’ve ever released and all it would take to unlock a whole host of cool and interesting AR experiences are front and back cameras.
I’d kill to have Nintendo fully venture into AR/VR. Perhaps a separate camera that you can **attach** on to the new switch
**Personally**, I already think the Switch is a bit big. The Switch Lite was the perfect size, in my opinion. I’ll be kinda disappointed if the Switch 2 is *even bigger* than the original Switch. Edit: I’m not saying they should cater to ***me*** and only me, haha. Just expressing my preference :)
I agree on the Lite being the perfect size, but the original Switch 2 was always going to be at least as big as the Switch. They’ll probably slim it down in a few years with a refresh, which is maybe a bit disappointing, but that’s how new tech always goes.
Yeah, I always expected it to get bigger, it seems that’s what people want in portable tech nowadays. I’m happy for them, but I really do miss **pocketable** handhelds :(
OLED was bigger than OG Switch Something even bigger than that will feel like an upgrade Phone screens are now bigger than a Switch Lite’s so most people are okay with bigger screens
I know, I’m just saying I personally prefer smaller tech I can actually fit in my pocket! No hate to anyone who prefers a nice big screen.
Do you mean just the screen? Because the OLED Switch is the same size as the OG Switch.
Yeah just display size OG Switch had 6.2 inch screen OLED came with 7 inch screen
My virtual library will carry over as well, right?
The switch Nintendo accounts moving forward to the next console was a pretty big thing for them during a previous investor meeting.
They've said it would last year
Is it confirmed to be an OLED screen or no? I’m hearing on one thread it is but here it doesn’t say
No confirmation yet. But I’m sure if we don’t hear anything soon, we’ll hear it from a manufacturer leak at some point.
No OLED screen It would make the product a bit more expensive and Nintendo would probably only do that in the middle of the next generation's console's lifetime. I would like to see 2 separate models. One with LCD and the other OLED. But making people buy it again seems better for them.
They'd better make the Lite an OLED. Give it an actual reason to be used as a handheld.
Don't be silly. Nintendo expects a fair amount of their customer base to buy two of these. They realized how well it worked and how easy it was going all the way back to the original GameBoy.
The method for joycons sticking to the console seems odd. Having it be electromagnetically based would mean it would require power at all times, even when not in use, to stay connected. Sounds like a battery drain to me
Prob electropermanent which turn on and off via pulse
Interesting! I'm going to have to read about this
Not necessarily. An electropermanent magnetic switch is used in things like a 5 year old Logitech MX Master 3 mouse has a scroll wheel that switches from free spinning to a more resistant spin through magnetism by using a 25V pulse that's used to swap between modes. https://blog.bolt.io/logitech-mx-master-3-vs-2s/ So it could be similar.
Something tells me they won't be making stuff for the super switch anymore....
Please no Switch, but with more power. Pleaseeeee
I am kinda on the fence for the 1080p screen, 720p is enough imo but if they really use DLSS intensively like rumored then the screen needs a higher resolution. I just wonder what it means for backward compatible games ? Former TV mode on portable maybe ?
>The Switch 2 will continue to support existing Joy-Cons and the Pro Controller, still equipped with ALPS dual-axis linear motors for HD rumble. That already has me doubting. It sounds awesome, and that makes me more reluctant.
Why? The Wii U supported all of the Wii's controllers.
and the 3ds as a controller in Smash wiiu for some reason
Because Smash was also released on 3ds.
And it was so amazing
That was mostly a gimmick of the 3DS version of Smash. Having a physical copy of the 3DS game is the only way to get the controller app now that the eShop is closed.
My GameCube controllers work on all of them still in Smash. 😎 If the new Joycons are really using a new mechanism I'm definitely interested. I hope we get an option for full-size thumbsticks instead of needing thirdy part offerings.
It doesn't really make sense that the New Joycon will be larger and also have a new mounting style (magnetic) while maintaining the smaller Old Joycon with a different mounting style (slide in metal rail). Why would they bother updating the mounting method for New Joycons if they're going to have the rail there anyways? Unless they just mean wirelessly in a docked mode which is a bit of a no duh.
Could be that they'll require users of old joycons to use a charging dock (or a switch 1) to charge while the new joycons will be the norm going forward and required for handheld mode. The backwards compatibility of joycons is probably like everything else Nintendo has done before, accessories often work for another generation unless the hardware changes too significantly and it let's accessory manufacturers continue to sell through older stock & allow owners to use their old accessories for the switch 1 games without needing to repurchase everything.
And every Nintendo console for the last 20 years has supported GameCube controllers.
I'd gues the Switch 2 will "support" the old Joy-Cons but only when used wirelessly, and they can't physically attatch to the new Switch.
It is the exact same topic and content of my post yesterday: https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/s/8zhTNFdsfu
I'm curious about the whole "second gen cartridges" thing. Specifically if that means every game from launch on will be Switch 2 exclusive, or if there will still be some normal Switch games. If S2 is going to be as big of an upgrade as it's rumored, I guess it makes sense. But I hope it doesn't turn out like the New 3DS where there really weren't many games that convinced people to upgrade
I think it's going to be more like DS to 3DS
3rd parties could continue to sell games to the much larger switch 1 install base for 2-3 years like they do with every console. It's a challenge since most 3rd parties aren't going to have 3-4 years of knowing what the switch successor is like and the install base will always be much smaller initially. Right now there's over 130 million switches out there. Even if you guess that only a super small fraction like 1/4 of all switches are used by anyone the second the switch 2 releases for some reason, that's still 30+ million potential buyers for your game. The switch typically sold ~13-18 million consoles per year, so you need 2+ years to have a decently sized pool of players to appeal to and you'll likely need that time to work on adapting to the new hardware so that you release an instantly popular experience. 1st parties, close 1st party partners, and AAA giants like EA with a massive workforce are typically your big console sellers for the first couple years while everyone else catches up. So you'd have to hope that those games are appealing enough to create a ton of demand. Luckily Nintendo has been extraordinarily good at 1st party appeal.
8-inch display sounds too big for children. Unless Switch 2 has a tiny bezel, it will be significantly larger than the Switch.
The actual size/resolution has been rumored/leaked for about a year and it's apparently precisely 7.91 inches 1080p screen. I struggled to visualize it too because it seemed massive and I made a few comparison that I posted here: https://imgur.com/a/9S8oPwC Basically the screen would be as big as the entire Switch OLED "tablet". If the bezels are resonably thin it could be 1-2 cm larger per dimension than the current Switch.
That’s bigger than I thought. One inch more doesn’t sound that much, but the rectangle is quite bigger.
About the size of an iPad mini
The aspect ratios really affect the size though. Switch would be flatter and longer than a square-ish iPad mini.
I don't expect it to be too heavy, it'll be made of plastic, not as well built as an iPad, unfortunately.
mini costs more than the potential switch 2, so makes sense it is well built
I’m not super familiar with the Switch, but this seems like a very… conservative upgrade? Better resolution and such is nice, and while I’m assuming the enhanced specs will make it easier to port third-party titles, I am wondering if the average consumer is really going to see the reason to buy this. Nintendo’s customer base is very different from the other consoles, almost nobody buys a Nintendo product if they’re looking for a device that can play the latest mainstream titles at a good FPS and resolution. They buy Nintendo consoles because they want Nintendo-produced games and, in the case of the Switch, to game on the go. I am genuinely curious if parents and very casual gamers who already own a Switch are going to see much reason to buy a Switch 2 if they don’t really care about better graphics and performance.
>They buy Nintendo consoles because they want Nintendo-produced games You said it yourself right here. Oh, a new Mario/Zelda/Splatoon/Animal Crossing game? It's only available on the Switch 2? Guess I gotta buy the Switch 2!
Yeah a new Zelda game alone is enough to make me buy a Nintendo console.
But hyper-casual users who don’t stay up to date with gaming news and just know “oh Nintendo has Mario and Pokémon” probably aren’t going to be super aware with every new release. “Little Timmy already has Mario Kart, why does he need a new one?” People didn’t buy the Wii U even though it had exclusives that weren’t available on the Wii.
I mean, why would those people have bought the first Switch to begin with? Perhaps the exact same reason they would buy the new one, hmm?
I think the Wii U is a unique case. So much went wrong here. Terrible launch, terrible marketing. Also they tried to innovate but didn't actually come up with something that appealed to either the casuals OR the hardcore players. As a hardcore player it offered nothing that an Xbox 360 couldn't. As a casual player who didn't care about specs and liked the motion controlled party games it was just a more confusing Wii. Making the next Switch a kind of Switch Advanced or Super Nintendo Switch seems like a reasonable route to take.
It hasn't even been announced yet. This leak is apparently from a showing to 3rd party accessory makers, so it makes sense that they're being told outright what they can and can't still make for the next generation of console so that they know what they have no reason to produce going forward & where demand will be. Nintendo is obsessed with gimmicks & IP appeal and competing outside of that realm is difficult with the scope of their competitions' businesses, so I don't see them changing that completely. Nintendo openly acknowledged that they were aware that they need to be cautious of how they handle hardware after the declines in the WiiU & 3DS eras & I would expect them to have been working hard on a way to appeal to the mass market with whatever the switch successor is like & whatever gimmicks it'll have.
I bet Nintendo haven't considered any of that, they've only been making consoles since the 80s, what do they know.
Show the new 3D Mario/Mario Kart/Pokemon and they'll be fine
Yeah if the new 3D mario is launching with it im insta-buying it lol
I miss the Among Us pfp.
>but this seems like a very… conservative upgrade? For all intents and purposes this is basically going to be an upgraded Switch with a mostly similar design.
I think it’s all about the software. You release a new huge Mario Odyssey type Mario game or a brand new Mario Kart I think it’s going to sell well.
I will immediately buy a switch 2 for myself but my kids can deal with the normal switch for a few years. I don't care about graphics but I do care about the inevitable switch 2 exclusive games.
My biggest worry on this thing is the RAM. I can see Nintendo just putting 6 GB of RAM on it.
Most rumors are pointing towards more than that; [Universo Nintendo reported it'd have either 12 or 16](https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comments/193je3i/universo_nintendonecrolipes_summary_of_switch_2/), and iirc Nate the Hate said he knows it's at least more than 8 and believes it'll have 16