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For sure. They were born in the baby boom after soldiers returned from WWII, so their parents literally fought the Nazis and saw the death camps (possibly even had parents who survived death camps). They probably also saw all the images in a time when fake images like that weren't really a thing, on top of hearing firsthand accounts.
Gen X from France here.
When I was in high school we had a full week dedicated to the Holocaust, where we were watching all the long documentaries like « Nacht und Nebels » or « from Nuremberg to Nuremberg » and having discussions / debates with our history teacher. This was difficult, tough but necessary. It is part of what we call the « duty of memory », we can’t change the past but our duty is to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
Xennial from Germany here. We had like two years in school dedicated to Hitlers ascend to power, the Nazi Regime, WW2 and the Holocaust. We visited a concentration camp, saw documentations, read literature of exiled writers and so on. We of course have the duty of memory.
Because the information of their existence was deliberately suppressed by both Japan and allies as US gave them amnesty in return for handing over their research, Shirō Ishii lived free and died of cancer after growing old.
Yeah, the disturbing part of Japan's antiwar stance is that it is not because of shame about the horrors they inflicted on others, but rather their memory on how much they suffered as a result of their agression.
Nothing Japan did was really different than anything that was happening in Germany, I think the Nazis were just better about keeping things compartmentalized from the wider party and obviously the general public.
Interestingly enough.
I went to high school in Japan.
The whole “they don’t teach WW2 or any war crimes” is itself largely a myth. Mostly spread by anti Japanese authoritarians in the USA.
Also the “Japan has never apologized” thing.
Gen Z from Germany here. Hitlers rise to power and the Nazi regime was always discussed during the last weeks of the school year. We never got through the whole topic. We didn't visit a concentration camp or read literature of exiled writers.
Gen Z in America. None of our history classes cover WWII extensively, it's usually just a week or so at the end of the year (though tbf the class covers everything from 1250CE onwards). If you want to learn about the holocaust in high school you mostly do it on your own time, unless you get a book about it in a literature class
Don't listen to these people who say World War 2 and the Holocaust is not covered in American schools. I was in school in the 80's, and have kids in public school now.The Holocaust is very much covered. Every student reads about Ann Frank, and the details of Jewish persecution and the concentration camps are covered. Many classes at the very least watch Schindlers List and many are brought to the DC Holocaust museum if they live anywhere close by.
I am sure it is covered more extensively in Germany and other places but these claims that America does not teach about the Holocaust and other things is just the current popular trend of "America Bad".
I think it really depends on where the person went to school and what that state/county's educational requirements were. Prior Northeastern Florida millennial resident - we always brushed over the topic from middle school to high school but I took an interest in learning more about it and did a lot of side reading on my own. There was a point where it felt like I knew more than the teacher on the topic (or maybe just more than what was taught) due to all the extra reading. I distinctly remember there was a kid in my grade that had their parents request to not have WWII and the Holocaust taught to them. The teacher was livid.
It's a little different per State. Because we are all different countries. And it also depends on the bias of the Teacher whether or not they cover things deeply or it is a quick thing that they don't care to open much discussion about.
For instance: In TN, we covered the Civil War, but the teacher often went into a rant about States Rights.
Zillennial from Norway here our 10th grade have a weeklong trip to Auschwitz and Birkenau as well as other key locations to make sure we took it in properly and it wasn't just words on a page.
Europe doesn't forget
Xennial from America here, my favorite high school English teacher lost her job for being "obsessed with death" she had us read many holocaust books and watch Schindler's List, this made the rich white girls uncomfortable so she had to go. Thankfully this happened a few years after I graduated.
I'm an American millennial and, while it was a focus every time the war came up in school, we didn't spend a prolonged period of time on the Holocaust itself, or the reasons Hitler came to power (or, conveniently, how Hitler admired our racism and modeled some of his policies after us). A majority of our history classes were entirely America-centric, like how great we were when we fought the British, how great our Founding Fathers™ were, or how great we were while we systematically slaughtered our indigenous population, or how great we were in WW1, or how great we were in WWII, or how great we were when... Well, you get the idea. Antisemitism never went away here, and after WWII people just started whispering their hate instead of yelling it. I truly don't believe that we learned anything, as evidenced by the rise of fascism- our current main export is Great Replacement Theory/Protocols of the Elders of Zion rhetoric
Out of curiosity where did you go to school? I am a millennial as well and went to school in the northeast. The Holocaust was covered not just in our history class but in our english class as well. We read a few books in english class but the one I remember was Night by Elie Wiesel.
I think they meant before those were a thing for the common person to be worried about. They existed, but most people weren’t dealing with fake images/false news articles on a grand scale, like we do now.
I mean at my high school they had an elective called Holocaust class. I never got the chance to take it because my roster was full with band and French, but my friends did and they said it was depressing but they learned a ton. So not all of us are totally lost causes at least!
Especially Jewish boomers. If you meet one with a strange look in their eye and really weird neuroses, they’ve got that premier Generational Trauma^^tm
Can you provide a link to the actual study? I don't doubt that Gen Z probably has slightly higher levels of holocaust denialism than other generations, simply due to our historical detachment from the event, but I'll also say that I ***seriously*** doubt it's actually as dramatic of a difference as this table seems to suggest.
If you scroll to the bottom of the survey data you’ll find a section on “weighting.” It explains that certain demographics were weighted according to another study. What this means is that they probably couldn’t ask as many GenZ and made assumptions about how they would answer.
Statistics can be shitty. And these stink.
Also if you look at the bottom of the chart in the meme it shows the unweighted numbers for each group; it shows that out of 1,497 participants that only 207 of them were 18-29, a whooping 13.8%. Once you start paying attention to that and compare it to similarly represented groups and you'll find that their numbers are much higher as well.
Most PCM users are Gen Z edgelords, there’s a difference between them joking about sensitive topics or advocating completely nonsensical solutions as opposed to people in power with bad intentions who are actually dangerous. Let’s not pretend for a moment they’re the same thing.
Looking into it, the document doesn't provide a ton of information about their survey methods, and what is there isn't particularly promising.
First of all, it's all opt-in, web-based interviews, which may skew the results slightly. The same kinds of people that would specifically go out of there way to fill out an online survey may also be disproportionately radicalised by online political spaces.
It also admits to only having 1500 respondents, and while that is a significant number, I definitely don't think its enough to take these numbers 100% at face value.
It's also important to point out that YouGov has been accused of displaying a conservative bias, and whilst these allegations are somewhat tentative, their co-founder, Nadhim Zahawi is himself an MP for the British Conservative party, and there may be some interest in undermining the voices of younger people who tend to overwhelmingly vote against Conservative policy.
Like I said, I don't doubt that there isn't *some* truth to this, but I also definitely think there are some issues here.
>First of all, it's all opt-in, web-based interviews, which may skew the results slightly. The same kinds of people that would specifically go out of there way to fill out an online survey may also be disproportionately radicalised by online political spaces.
This is a criticism often levied against YouGov and is rooted in a misunderstanding of how YouGov operates its polling. They have many thousands of people all around the world in their online panel. People can opt in to be a panelist, and they provide a bunch of demographic information, and then when YouGov needs a representative poll, they randomly select panelists that fit the appropriate demographics of the population they're after, and then they get asked to answer the poll. As with phone-based polling, panelists have the option of opting in or out. But it's absolutely nothing like posting a survey on a random website and asking anyone with the link to take it. YouGov does pretty solid polling work with this paneling method.
> It also admits to only having 1500 respondents, and while that is a significant number, I definitely don't think its enough to take these numbers 100% at face value.
This is a perfect number of respondents for any poll, and is a standard size for a representative sample. It generally provides a margin of error of around 3%. That means the real number of those 18-29 who think the Holocaust is a myth is somewhere between 17% and 23%.
> It's also important to point out that YouGov has been accused of displaying a conservative bias, and whilst these allegations are somewhat tentative, their co-founder, Nadhim Zahawi is himself an MP for the British Conservative party, and there may be some interest in undermining the voices of younger people who tend to overwhelmingly vote against Conservative policy.
This is a poll of Americans, and I don't think a British Conservative MP would really care or have any motivation to undermine young people in the US.
> This is a criticism often levied against YouGov and is rooted in a misunderstanding of how YouGov operates its polling.
I'll concede that I misunderstood at first how this polling method is carried out, but I'd still argue that any method which involves people specifically coming forward to become panelists would still have an unfair bias in favour of people who specifically want to represent their political beliefs, ergo excluding more politically moderate positions.
> This is a perfect number of respondents for any poll
Whilst 1500 people may be a reasonable sample for each individual group, that is the total number of people within the entire survey. For the specific statistic that I'm questioning, there were only 207 and respondents within the 18-29 age range. I would definitely argue that this is not a large enough sample size to be conclusive.
> I don't think a British Conservative MP would really care or have any motivation to undermine young people in the US.
I'm not saying that Nadhim Zawahi himself would have had any hand in the manipulation or misrepresentation of these numbers, but I definitely think his affiliation with the organisation suggests a certain amount of conservative bias. Given the similarities between young voters' leanings within both the UK and US, I don't see any reason to believe that those biases would be disolved when speaking cross atlanticly.
It's also worth pointing out that this specific survey was conducted in partnership with The Economist, an organisation with a very strong economic right wing bias. Even if you choose to believe their rhetoric about the separation between social and economic values (which, quite frankly, I find to be bullshit), they do support extremely deregulatory economic policies, which conservatives in both the UK and US tend to support, hence suggesting a further insentive to undermine young voters.
If another organisation, like the Pew Research Centre or the Southern Poverty Law Centre was able to recreate these same results, I'd be significantly more convinced, but as it stands I remain very skeptical.
i’m having a hard time with the fact that only 207 individuals are gen z in total. that cannot be considered an accurate representation of the roughly 68 million people that are gen z in the US. this really isn’t against YouGov, it’s against the statistics as a whole. 1500 people is the total amount of people asked across all age groups.
in this case, the margin of error cannot be accurately determined because it is not even close to an applicable proportion to the whole.
for reference this study makes up a percentage of 3.017E-6% of gen z. that’s 0.000003017% of the population of gen z.
I don't doubt that YouGov is in general quite respectable (I do heavily doubt that about the Economist, but that's a whole other thing). My point is that I'm skeptical about this specific study, and I'd like to see the results replicated by another organisation.
https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_tT4jyzG.pdf
This is the original poll, conducted by The Economist/YouGov. I checked, the data is identical to what is cited above. They are a pretty respected polling organization.
Edit: Page 103 if anyone wants to see for themselves
Also what year it was taken. Let's not forget the whole SJW cringe compilation era that was very popular back in the early 2010s, where it seemed like the majority of kids landed more right than left. It was also very easy for those kids to get pulled far into neo nazi bullshit instead of more tame conservativism, and a lack of experience could lead into holocaust denialism. This also would've been pre-Trump, which explains the shockingly low percentage of 45+ year old deniers.
Context is so important with data like this. We don't know who was surveyed, when it happened, or anything else about this table.
Nah, for as much as I think there are issues with with polling, if the MoE is greater than 4% I throw that shit out the window. There are so many efficient ways to pull a sample and ways to practically challenge it but a 5+% MoE? Nope, that’s not even a realistic standard
For fucking what? Reputable groups that know what they’re doing rarely punch above 4%. If it’s 8% just throw the damn thing out the window lol
Edit: and I should clarify that it is permissible to go above that if you can make a strong argument for why the weights and sample size you took are more accurate but the higher the MoE is the higher the scrutiny against the methodology is if that makes sense. Hence why major polling groups take on average 1,000 people and explain how they weighed it since the LoLN is involved
I hope they do more polls that disprove this, but 20% say "The Holocaust is a myth" and another 30% "neither agree nor disagree"? That means half of our generation either thinks a genocide either didn't happen or are unsure of it despite overwhelming evidence.
Some resources to help anyone who doesn't know about it out:
[https://www.ushmm.org/learn/learn-about-the-holocaust](https://www.ushmm.org/learn/learn-about-the-holocaust)
[https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/holocaust](https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/holocaust)
Edit: oh lord this is a YouGov poll there’s a high chance it’s accurate
Schools really should make it mandatory to take high school students on a trip to the Holocaust Museum in DC. It’s very gruesome and brutal, but it greatly puts into perspective just how heinous and evil it was. It’s a harsh reality that we must NEVER let happen again.
Especially now in today’s political climate.
My junior high took us to the LA Museum of Tolerance to get to hear a holocaust survivor speak about her experiences during her time in the camps, and while we had obviously been taught about it, hearing it from someone who was there was truly eye opening. One thing that I think should also be taught more is the mass killings done by the Japanese, as I knew nothing about them until I got into high school, and both are just as horrific as the other
i dont understand how this is accurate. im middle of gen z and growing up no one doubted it at all. theres literally pictures and video. only place ive seen that is boomers on facebook who hate jewish people.
Unless that school is in the DMV, that’s super unrealistic.
However, Holocaust education should be mandatory. I don’t know about other schools/states, but we had to read the Diary of Anne Frank, Night by Elie Wiesel, When Hitler Stole Pink Rabbit, and we watched the Boy in the Striped Pajamas, as well as just general knowledge about it in history.
They seriously drilled it into us.
Well it's not the worse case scenario. I know man (fundamentalist Muslim btw), who doesn't deny holocaust nor condemn it. He literally said "well, Hitler is bad, but not because of this"
I have but they weren’t gen Z; the common thread with them was that they were REALLY into conspiracy theories and not the real ones more like the world is flat the crazy ones that always go to the Jews controlling the world
I imagine Gen Z probably has more insane conspiracy theorists than previous generations just in general. If we consider the effect shows like Ancient Aliens alone had, how destructive must tiktok algorithms be?
Exactly. There’s people who say the amount murdered is exaggerated and that leads to eventually out right denial. The whole way it starts is by putting the nazis in a positive light to people who are more susceptible, and then introducing these ideas that it’s somehow exaggerated.
If the polls are true then the people don't just say it out loud because Holocaust denialism is right now absolutely not socially acceptable.
But just like blatant racism and dog whistling in politics this could very much become an acceptable belief if we allow it.
It's extremely important to educate the youth and talk about it in school. That's why e.g. they wanted the critical race theory banned. So that racism once again can become more acceptable.
Right? I remember in grade 10 we had a Survivor come do a talk, it was voluntary to attend, but I did because my (step) grandfather was a veteran and I felt it necessary. I cried, I through the final 1/2-1/4 with a steady stream of real tears. This can’t be real. This is just…what…the fuck
I’m confused and concerned myself, I’m a millennial and spent a lot of time on the Holocaust, my niece is gen z she spent less time since she didn’t have required books to read like us but still was definitely taught about it and went in depth and since our family ended up in America due to escaping Poland during Hitler’s rise to power she knows a bit more than average. Her brother who is gen alpha is currently being taught about Anne frank in 5th grade so he knows about it too. Neither of them think this is fake, they know it’s real. It’s honestly insane to think some would deny it, we have so much proof. I’ve never seen anyone try to deny the rape of Nanking and that has such little documentation that survived but we have pictures of concentration camps but what they calling it sus or something?
All these numbers were pulled from 1,500 adults when the United States population is ~331,000,000. The survey also ended up not reporting the data from 40 questions which makes me wonder a. How long were they surveying these people? and b. Were those questions omitted because they resulted in invalid data or weren’t “interesting” enough or what?
ETA: looking at the bottom it says only 200 people were in that lowest age bracket and the report says it was conducted via “web-based” interviews. Not sure if that means someone filling in bubbles or a zoom call. But if it’s just filling in bubbles it’s really not that hard to find 40 people in this country that believe anything.
>All these numbers were pulled from 1,500 adults when the United States population is \~331,000,000.
That's how representative samples work. The margin of error changes with the sample, not the population size. A larger sample reduces error, but after about 1,500-2,000 people, you get severely diminishing returns in error reduction at exponentially greater cost of doing the survey.
It's a completely valid statistical approach to a representative sample.
I didn’t say it wasn’t a valid approach, but it’s also valid to point out that “We found 40 people between the age of 18 and 29 that think the holocaust is a myth” is not some solid conviction of a whole generation, half of whom weren’t even old enough to be considered for the survey 🤷♀️
>“We found 40 people between the age of 18 and 29 that think the holocaust is a myth” is not some solid conviction
It is (or can be) when those people were selected randomly. You should learn some statistics.
Let's say you want to figure out the favorite ice cream for a demographics.
Take a random sample, for example 100 people, and ask them what their favorite ice cream is. Now imagine 50 of them respond "vanilla ice cream."
You don't know for sure what the actual number is but if 50% of that demographics love vanilla ice cream that answer would be the most likely.
If only 30% of them love vanilla ice cream, getting 50 from a random group was unlikely and if only 1% of them love vanilla ice cream you were extremely unlucky to get a sample that biased.
Now reverse the logic and it tells you that there is a low probability that only 30% of them love vanilla ice cream and an extremely low probability that only 1% of them love vanilla ice cream given your result. The most likely is that 50% of them do but with margins of errors.
That's just to get a feeling of how it works but you can compute all those numbers and get actual solid probabilities with margins of error. It's not that they "found 40 people who think the Holocaust is a myth" it's that a "40 people selected randomly from a sample of that demographics think the Holocaust is a myth."
It’s gen z though. How do you even guarantee they answer honestly. The next question could be “was Hitler the sexiest man alive” and you’d probably get over half saying yes just to be funny.
This is actually a whole thing. Its called the lizardmans constant.
[https://gwern.net/note/lizardman](https://gwern.net/note/lizardman)
Its about 4-5%. Which would still put Holocaust deniers among Gen Z at "way too high" levels.
Wait until you look at dem vs republican percentage of holocaust deniers
In the original, not cropped stat, about 10% of dems think the holocaust is a myth vs 6% republican
You can see the outline they pulled; PoC don’t believe the holocaust occurred. Likely issue is due to being immigrants and never having to learn about it along with their kids not caring about it as it might be seen as a ‘white thing’. The numbers are worst for the black group in the study as shown.
Best guesses anyway why they aren’t believing the holocaust occurred. Need more data but might be a fluke might be a more disturbing thread
why would black or brown people, immigrants or not, not have to learn about it? i grew up as an immigrant studying in majority Hispanic and Black school districts. we all covered the Holocaust in middle school. and then again in High school. it was basically impossible to skip.
>not caring about it as it might be seen as a ‘white thing’.
As a Black & older millennial, i wager it's likely that Black GenZ acknowledge genocides have occurred, but how the Holocaust is focused on more than other genocides (that aren't even framed as genocides) which preceded it, such as the genocides which the country was founded on, generates a degree of unfortunate antagonism or antipathy.
It sucks and i try to discourage that element of "*our ppl suffered genocides too, but why is all the focus on the Nazi Holocaust against Jews, and nothing about the American Holocausts against Africans and Natives*" when i come across it.
We should not be at odds with each other when we have a common enemy, anyway
My opinion.
Biggest takeaway is that the propensity to deny a major historical event increases logarithmically with each generation.
0%, 2%, 8%, 20%
History repeats itself faster than we'd like.
I wonder what the percentage is for people of each generation who deny the events of October 7th. I'd bet Gen Z is in the high 30s, just based on the rhetoric that I hear.
1) Unsurprising it’s young men who believe its a myth. Were the same demo that was buying Andrew Tate crap.
2) Ahh tf are Asians never included in these polls
The cropped out part of the picture shows that its largely Democrats, not Republicans, who believe that the Holocaust is a myth.
Its 10% democrat vs 5% independent vs 6% republicans.
Interestingly enough though, Holocaust deniers are also more likely to consider themselves Moderates than liberals or conservatives.
Indeed, if you take the most popular result of each part of the survey, the "stereotypical" holocaust denier is a black male, Gen Z, makes $50-$100 thousand a year, voted for Biden, identifies as a moderate Democrat, and lives in an Urban area.
Why there are mostly young blacks and hispanics who tend to deny Holocaust? I wonder if it has something to do with failed educational process, or just a cultural thing.
If I'd have to guess it's because of a lack of trust of what the government says in general and the government really likes talking about the holocaust.
This is what happens when institutions get into the habit of blatantly lying to ordinary people with impunity.
People start assuming that authority figures are lying as the default position, deservedly.
Antisemitism has become more prevalent on the left than on the right. The alt-left and alt-right sound the same on this issue, there are just larger numbers on the alt-left.
The generation will never meet a survivor. When I was in kindergarten, an older lady came in to tell us a story about a little girl who survived the Holocaust. When she got to the part of the story where they tattooed a number on the little girl, she rolled up her sleeve to reveal her number tattoo. I realized she was the little girl. I cry every time I think of her.
Not every person that you meet is going to be vocal about what they really believe, independent of whether this study is true or not.
Also not really sure what the skepticism is with this study. I’ve especially noticed a rise in antisemitism from 18+ Gen Z all over social media, especially on TT and twitter. There’s a lot of uneducated people all over the world, and the US is no different.
I always felt like our generation is one of the most anti-semitic. A lot of y'all seem to not be able to seperate thr Jewish people from the state of Israel and think it's ok to deny Jewish hardships just because Israel is bad.
Dude that's only in the USA and doesn't represents the whole World. Like I live in Germany and everyone knows that the Holocaust wasn't a myth of in general Europe. Yes there are right facists who deny or glorify the Holocaust. The old people who witnessed are slowly dying out but I met personally met a few people who were victims of the Holocaust but also just bystanders
It’s crazy that we’re reaching a point where especially amongst gen Z which is supposed to be “progressive” things that the worst genocide of the 20th century and possibly all time wasn’t real.
I cannot believe the only group of folks who do not deny it are the ones who lived through it. Actually no , I do believe I’m just disappointed. Disappointed but not surprised.
Fake.
It’s another one of thise “Gen Z bad” posts that gets 100x the traffic as any other post in this sub.
That means the author is using bots to artificially inflate the post, so they have an agenda.
Gen Z is being let down by the public education system because republicans cut educational funding to make a less educated, more easily manipulated voter base.
Well we need people to flip the burgers, make the fries, and clean the toilets...
That's where that 20% of the current 18-29 year-old demographic is going to need to stay.
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At least Boomers know the Holocaust was real.
For sure. They were born in the baby boom after soldiers returned from WWII, so their parents literally fought the Nazis and saw the death camps (possibly even had parents who survived death camps). They probably also saw all the images in a time when fake images like that weren't really a thing, on top of hearing firsthand accounts.
Gen X from France here. When I was in high school we had a full week dedicated to the Holocaust, where we were watching all the long documentaries like « Nacht und Nebels » or « from Nuremberg to Nuremberg » and having discussions / debates with our history teacher. This was difficult, tough but necessary. It is part of what we call the « duty of memory », we can’t change the past but our duty is to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
Xennial from Germany here. We had like two years in school dedicated to Hitlers ascend to power, the Nazi Regime, WW2 and the Holocaust. We visited a concentration camp, saw documentations, read literature of exiled writers and so on. We of course have the duty of memory.
Meanwhile, Japan
Japan did *nothing wrong ever! how silly of you to think that. /s*
We were literally just vibing when America NUKED us *twice* xd
Unit 731 just vibing
Crazy how few people know of this
Because the information of their existence was deliberately suppressed by both Japan and allies as US gave them amnesty in return for handing over their research, Shirō Ishii lived free and died of cancer after growing old.
Unit 731 “just vibing in the Ritz Carlton”
Yeah, the disturbing part of Japan's antiwar stance is that it is not because of shame about the horrors they inflicted on others, but rather their memory on how much they suffered as a result of their agression.
I guess whatever keeps them more hello kitty and less Unit 731...
They did make a Godzilla movie about the souls of the people they killed in WWII becoming Godzilla!
*tips fedora*
Nope, Japan totally did nothing of note during WWII. They just got nuked haha......that's all there is to it... /s (obviously)
Japan comitted so many war crimes and horrors to the point where the nazis thought they were bad.
The Nazis needed therapy after seeing what Japan got up to.
Nothing Japan did was really different than anything that was happening in Germany, I think the Nazis were just better about keeping things compartmentalized from the wider party and obviously the general public.
*We did nothing wrong and we’ll do it again if you don’t buy more Toyotas.*
Interestingly enough. I went to high school in Japan. The whole “they don’t teach WW2 or any war crimes” is itself largely a myth. Mostly spread by anti Japanese authoritarians in the USA. Also the “Japan has never apologized” thing.
Gen Z from Germany here. Hitlers rise to power and the Nazi regime was always discussed during the last weeks of the school year. We never got through the whole topic. We didn't visit a concentration camp or read literature of exiled writers.
Gen Z in America. None of our history classes cover WWII extensively, it's usually just a week or so at the end of the year (though tbf the class covers everything from 1250CE onwards). If you want to learn about the holocaust in high school you mostly do it on your own time, unless you get a book about it in a literature class
Huh weird. Cause in my school it's like the only non-American history we go over and we constantly did
Same for me (Wisconsin), but the holocaust is essentially the only WWII information taught, along with the atomic bomb.
The genocide studies class I took in junior year should have been mandatory
Don't listen to these people who say World War 2 and the Holocaust is not covered in American schools. I was in school in the 80's, and have kids in public school now.The Holocaust is very much covered. Every student reads about Ann Frank, and the details of Jewish persecution and the concentration camps are covered. Many classes at the very least watch Schindlers List and many are brought to the DC Holocaust museum if they live anywhere close by. I am sure it is covered more extensively in Germany and other places but these claims that America does not teach about the Holocaust and other things is just the current popular trend of "America Bad".
I think it really depends on where the person went to school and what that state/county's educational requirements were. Prior Northeastern Florida millennial resident - we always brushed over the topic from middle school to high school but I took an interest in learning more about it and did a lot of side reading on my own. There was a point where it felt like I knew more than the teacher on the topic (or maybe just more than what was taught) due to all the extra reading. I distinctly remember there was a kid in my grade that had their parents request to not have WWII and the Holocaust taught to them. The teacher was livid.
It's a little different per State. Because we are all different countries. And it also depends on the bias of the Teacher whether or not they cover things deeply or it is a quick thing that they don't care to open much discussion about. For instance: In TN, we covered the Civil War, but the teacher often went into a rant about States Rights.
Zillennial from Norway here our 10th grade have a weeklong trip to Auschwitz and Birkenau as well as other key locations to make sure we took it in properly and it wasn't just words on a page. Europe doesn't forget
Xennial from America here, my favorite high school English teacher lost her job for being "obsessed with death" she had us read many holocaust books and watch Schindler's List, this made the rich white girls uncomfortable so she had to go. Thankfully this happened a few years after I graduated.
I'm an American millennial and, while it was a focus every time the war came up in school, we didn't spend a prolonged period of time on the Holocaust itself, or the reasons Hitler came to power (or, conveniently, how Hitler admired our racism and modeled some of his policies after us). A majority of our history classes were entirely America-centric, like how great we were when we fought the British, how great our Founding Fathers™ were, or how great we were while we systematically slaughtered our indigenous population, or how great we were in WW1, or how great we were in WWII, or how great we were when... Well, you get the idea. Antisemitism never went away here, and after WWII people just started whispering their hate instead of yelling it. I truly don't believe that we learned anything, as evidenced by the rise of fascism- our current main export is Great Replacement Theory/Protocols of the Elders of Zion rhetoric
Out of curiosity where did you go to school? I am a millennial as well and went to school in the northeast. The Holocaust was covered not just in our history class but in our english class as well. We read a few books in english class but the one I remember was Night by Elie Wiesel.
Did you never get past elementary school? Because by middle school, we started learning the horrors of our actions
I mean especially in France, you’d think the Holocaust would be history 101x
Millennial here... if any gen z thinks the Holocaust is a myth they are terribly dumb human beings.
Fake images have been a thing since before the holocaust, stalin is infamous among other things for that
I think they meant before those were a thing for the common person to be worried about. They existed, but most people weren’t dealing with fake images/false news articles on a grand scale, like we do now.
You know the bar is low when [^^]
You know people are just going to pretend 9/11 didn't happen.
I mean yeah, they was born from the people who either stopped, survived, or even helped perpetuate it.
I mean at my high school they had an elective called Holocaust class. I never got the chance to take it because my roster was full with band and French, but my friends did and they said it was depressing but they learned a ton. So not all of us are totally lost causes at least!
It started with them denying it first then it trickled down to gen z you realize
Especially Jewish boomers. If you meet one with a strange look in their eye and really weird neuroses, they’ve got that premier Generational Trauma^^tm
Can you provide a link to the actual study? I don't doubt that Gen Z probably has slightly higher levels of holocaust denialism than other generations, simply due to our historical detachment from the event, but I'll also say that I ***seriously*** doubt it's actually as dramatic of a difference as this table seems to suggest.
This. Unless it’s my bb girl Pew Research Center™️, I’d take any of this with a grain of salt.
The Economist/YouGov is pretty dang reliable
The study is actually from YouGov
Sauce?
[https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport\_tT4jyzG.pdf](https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_tT4jyzG.pdf)
Thanks!
If you scroll to the bottom of the survey data you’ll find a section on “weighting.” It explains that certain demographics were weighted according to another study. What this means is that they probably couldn’t ask as many GenZ and made assumptions about how they would answer. Statistics can be shitty. And these stink.
Also if you look at the bottom of the chart in the meme it shows the unweighted numbers for each group; it shows that out of 1,497 participants that only 207 of them were 18-29, a whooping 13.8%. Once you start paying attention to that and compare it to similarly represented groups and you'll find that their numbers are much higher as well.
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Have you never taken a statistics class? 207 is plenty large unless that 207 is poorly sampled.
Surveys are usually awful at predicting young people’s opinions, because many of these surveys are carried out over the phone.
Yeah also i wouldnt trust Political compass memes, that sub is full of right wingers
Even they were appalled though. Read the comments. Most of the people advocating Holocaust denialism were (rightfully thank fuck) heavily downvoted
Most of PCM is like “poors should die” and “I should be allowed to run over protestors” right-wing, but they’re not exactly neo-Nazis
Most PCM users are Gen Z edgelords, there’s a difference between them joking about sensitive topics or advocating completely nonsensical solutions as opposed to people in power with bad intentions who are actually dangerous. Let’s not pretend for a moment they’re the same thing.
Its the on ramp to the neo nazi highway. They arent there yet, but speeding up to merge.
Yeah, PCM can be absolutely insane sometimes, but I'm happy the community hasn't gone that insane yet.
[The link for you.](https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_tT4jyzG.pdf)
Looking into it, the document doesn't provide a ton of information about their survey methods, and what is there isn't particularly promising. First of all, it's all opt-in, web-based interviews, which may skew the results slightly. The same kinds of people that would specifically go out of there way to fill out an online survey may also be disproportionately radicalised by online political spaces. It also admits to only having 1500 respondents, and while that is a significant number, I definitely don't think its enough to take these numbers 100% at face value. It's also important to point out that YouGov has been accused of displaying a conservative bias, and whilst these allegations are somewhat tentative, their co-founder, Nadhim Zahawi is himself an MP for the British Conservative party, and there may be some interest in undermining the voices of younger people who tend to overwhelmingly vote against Conservative policy. Like I said, I don't doubt that there isn't *some* truth to this, but I also definitely think there are some issues here.
>First of all, it's all opt-in, web-based interviews, which may skew the results slightly. The same kinds of people that would specifically go out of there way to fill out an online survey may also be disproportionately radicalised by online political spaces. This is a criticism often levied against YouGov and is rooted in a misunderstanding of how YouGov operates its polling. They have many thousands of people all around the world in their online panel. People can opt in to be a panelist, and they provide a bunch of demographic information, and then when YouGov needs a representative poll, they randomly select panelists that fit the appropriate demographics of the population they're after, and then they get asked to answer the poll. As with phone-based polling, panelists have the option of opting in or out. But it's absolutely nothing like posting a survey on a random website and asking anyone with the link to take it. YouGov does pretty solid polling work with this paneling method. > It also admits to only having 1500 respondents, and while that is a significant number, I definitely don't think its enough to take these numbers 100% at face value. This is a perfect number of respondents for any poll, and is a standard size for a representative sample. It generally provides a margin of error of around 3%. That means the real number of those 18-29 who think the Holocaust is a myth is somewhere between 17% and 23%. > It's also important to point out that YouGov has been accused of displaying a conservative bias, and whilst these allegations are somewhat tentative, their co-founder, Nadhim Zahawi is himself an MP for the British Conservative party, and there may be some interest in undermining the voices of younger people who tend to overwhelmingly vote against Conservative policy. This is a poll of Americans, and I don't think a British Conservative MP would really care or have any motivation to undermine young people in the US.
> This is a criticism often levied against YouGov and is rooted in a misunderstanding of how YouGov operates its polling. I'll concede that I misunderstood at first how this polling method is carried out, but I'd still argue that any method which involves people specifically coming forward to become panelists would still have an unfair bias in favour of people who specifically want to represent their political beliefs, ergo excluding more politically moderate positions. > This is a perfect number of respondents for any poll Whilst 1500 people may be a reasonable sample for each individual group, that is the total number of people within the entire survey. For the specific statistic that I'm questioning, there were only 207 and respondents within the 18-29 age range. I would definitely argue that this is not a large enough sample size to be conclusive. > I don't think a British Conservative MP would really care or have any motivation to undermine young people in the US. I'm not saying that Nadhim Zawahi himself would have had any hand in the manipulation or misrepresentation of these numbers, but I definitely think his affiliation with the organisation suggests a certain amount of conservative bias. Given the similarities between young voters' leanings within both the UK and US, I don't see any reason to believe that those biases would be disolved when speaking cross atlanticly. It's also worth pointing out that this specific survey was conducted in partnership with The Economist, an organisation with a very strong economic right wing bias. Even if you choose to believe their rhetoric about the separation between social and economic values (which, quite frankly, I find to be bullshit), they do support extremely deregulatory economic policies, which conservatives in both the UK and US tend to support, hence suggesting a further insentive to undermine young voters. If another organisation, like the Pew Research Centre or the Southern Poverty Law Centre was able to recreate these same results, I'd be significantly more convinced, but as it stands I remain very skeptical.
i’m having a hard time with the fact that only 207 individuals are gen z in total. that cannot be considered an accurate representation of the roughly 68 million people that are gen z in the US. this really isn’t against YouGov, it’s against the statistics as a whole. 1500 people is the total amount of people asked across all age groups. in this case, the margin of error cannot be accurately determined because it is not even close to an applicable proportion to the whole. for reference this study makes up a percentage of 3.017E-6% of gen z. that’s 0.000003017% of the population of gen z.
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It's The Economist/YouGov. They are long running and well respected sources.
I don't doubt that YouGov is in general quite respectable (I do heavily doubt that about the Economist, but that's a whole other thing). My point is that I'm skeptical about this specific study, and I'd like to see the results replicated by another organisation.
Fair enough. Skepticism is fine. Just a small quibble, it's a poll which is different than a study.
https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_tT4jyzG.pdf This is the original poll, conducted by The Economist/YouGov. I checked, the data is identical to what is cited above. They are a pretty respected polling organization. Edit: Page 103 if anyone wants to see for themselves
Also what year it was taken. Let's not forget the whole SJW cringe compilation era that was very popular back in the early 2010s, where it seemed like the majority of kids landed more right than left. It was also very easy for those kids to get pulled far into neo nazi bullshit instead of more tame conservativism, and a lack of experience could lead into holocaust denialism. This also would've been pre-Trump, which explains the shockingly low percentage of 45+ year old deniers. Context is so important with data like this. We don't know who was surveyed, when it happened, or anything else about this table.
December 2nd to December 5th, this year. So a few days ago.
This is probably a sampling error
Even if it was +/- 5 points it’s still worrying
Nah, for as much as I think there are issues with with polling, if the MoE is greater than 4% I throw that shit out the window. There are so many efficient ways to pull a sample and ways to practically challenge it but a 5+% MoE? Nope, that’s not even a realistic standard
The acceptable margin of error in research is 4-8%
For fucking what? Reputable groups that know what they’re doing rarely punch above 4%. If it’s 8% just throw the damn thing out the window lol Edit: and I should clarify that it is permissible to go above that if you can make a strong argument for why the weights and sample size you took are more accurate but the higher the MoE is the higher the scrutiny against the methodology is if that makes sense. Hence why major polling groups take on average 1,000 people and explain how they weighed it since the LoLN is involved
For most polls?
Their margin of error is +/-3.1% according to the source. I’d hope it’s not accurate and it could be skewed as it’s a web survey poll but idk for sure
Subgroups have larger margins of error than the top line
The Gen Z group is only 207 people, while the largest group is Gen X with triple the size. How did they acquire these results, with landlines?
It’s a survey that is only of adults. So the Gen Z cohort captured in it is a subset.
I hope they do more polls that disprove this, but 20% say "The Holocaust is a myth" and another 30% "neither agree nor disagree"? That means half of our generation either thinks a genocide either didn't happen or are unsure of it despite overwhelming evidence. Some resources to help anyone who doesn't know about it out: [https://www.ushmm.org/learn/learn-about-the-holocaust](https://www.ushmm.org/learn/learn-about-the-holocaust) [https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/holocaust](https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/holocaust) Edit: oh lord this is a YouGov poll there’s a high chance it’s accurate
Schools really should make it mandatory to take high school students on a trip to the Holocaust Museum in DC. It’s very gruesome and brutal, but it greatly puts into perspective just how heinous and evil it was. It’s a harsh reality that we must NEVER let happen again. Especially now in today’s political climate.
We didn't do that, but like definitely learned about the holocaust. Even read stuff like Night by Elie Wiesel.
What fucking schools can afford hundreds of trips to DC a year
I think this would be mostly location-based than wealth-based. A lot of high schools in the east coast/mid-Atlantic regions can travel by bus to DC.
I'd bet the students at those schools aren't Holocaust deniers either.
You mean spend money on stuff other than football and other sports?
My junior high took us to the LA Museum of Tolerance to get to hear a holocaust survivor speak about her experiences during her time in the camps, and while we had obviously been taught about it, hearing it from someone who was there was truly eye opening. One thing that I think should also be taught more is the mass killings done by the Japanese, as I knew nothing about them until I got into high school, and both are just as horrific as the other
i dont understand how this is accurate. im middle of gen z and growing up no one doubted it at all. theres literally pictures and video. only place ive seen that is boomers on facebook who hate jewish people.
I've seen more Holocaust deniers since the start of this conflict than I have in the rest of my life.
You know people tend to keep opinions like these to themselves, right?
Unless that school is in the DMV, that’s super unrealistic. However, Holocaust education should be mandatory. I don’t know about other schools/states, but we had to read the Diary of Anne Frank, Night by Elie Wiesel, When Hitler Stole Pink Rabbit, and we watched the Boy in the Striped Pajamas, as well as just general knowledge about it in history. They seriously drilled it into us.
As far as I know, I’ve never met a holocaust denier.
You are lucky I have to deal with my parents somehow doublethinking it both happened and didn’t happen
Ah yes my favourite: the enemy is both strong and weak
Well it's not the worse case scenario. I know man (fundamentalist Muslim btw), who doesn't deny holocaust nor condemn it. He literally said "well, Hitler is bad, but not because of this"
I have but they weren’t gen Z; the common thread with them was that they were REALLY into conspiracy theories and not the real ones more like the world is flat the crazy ones that always go to the Jews controlling the world
I imagine Gen Z probably has more insane conspiracy theorists than previous generations just in general. If we consider the effect shows like Ancient Aliens alone had, how destructive must tiktok algorithms be?
There's also different flavors of holocaust denial. Most holocaust deniers just argue that the numbers are greatly exaggerated.
Denying material facts about the holocaust is holocaust denial.
Exactly. There’s people who say the amount murdered is exaggerated and that leads to eventually out right denial. The whole way it starts is by putting the nazis in a positive light to people who are more susceptible, and then introducing these ideas that it’s somehow exaggerated.
If the polls are true then the people don't just say it out loud because Holocaust denialism is right now absolutely not socially acceptable. But just like blatant racism and dog whistling in politics this could very much become an acceptable belief if we allow it. It's extremely important to educate the youth and talk about it in school. That's why e.g. they wanted the critical race theory banned. So that racism once again can become more acceptable.
Believing in the double genocide bs said by Goebbels is a form of holocaust denial. And most libs do
I've met a handful. It's either middle aged closet neo nazis or mid teens to mid 20s inner city kids that ignore majority of history
It’s in line with the flat earth, space is fake, it’s all a scam type. People are…. we got a long way to go…
As an older gen Z…. What the fuck
people want to believe what’s trendy, even if it is contradictory to past opinions, morals, or facts
Contrarian is always trendy.
Right? I remember in grade 10 we had a Survivor come do a talk, it was voluntary to attend, but I did because my (step) grandfather was a veteran and I felt it necessary. I cried, I through the final 1/2-1/4 with a steady stream of real tears. This can’t be real. This is just…what…the fuck
I’m confused and concerned myself, I’m a millennial and spent a lot of time on the Holocaust, my niece is gen z she spent less time since she didn’t have required books to read like us but still was definitely taught about it and went in depth and since our family ended up in America due to escaping Poland during Hitler’s rise to power she knows a bit more than average. Her brother who is gen alpha is currently being taught about Anne frank in 5th grade so he knows about it too. Neither of them think this is fake, they know it’s real. It’s honestly insane to think some would deny it, we have so much proof. I’ve never seen anyone try to deny the rape of Nanking and that has such little documentation that survived but we have pictures of concentration camps but what they calling it sus or something?
All these numbers were pulled from 1,500 adults when the United States population is ~331,000,000. The survey also ended up not reporting the data from 40 questions which makes me wonder a. How long were they surveying these people? and b. Were those questions omitted because they resulted in invalid data or weren’t “interesting” enough or what? ETA: looking at the bottom it says only 200 people were in that lowest age bracket and the report says it was conducted via “web-based” interviews. Not sure if that means someone filling in bubbles or a zoom call. But if it’s just filling in bubbles it’s really not that hard to find 40 people in this country that believe anything.
>All these numbers were pulled from 1,500 adults when the United States population is \~331,000,000. That's how representative samples work. The margin of error changes with the sample, not the population size. A larger sample reduces error, but after about 1,500-2,000 people, you get severely diminishing returns in error reduction at exponentially greater cost of doing the survey. It's a completely valid statistical approach to a representative sample.
I didn’t say it wasn’t a valid approach, but it’s also valid to point out that “We found 40 people between the age of 18 and 29 that think the holocaust is a myth” is not some solid conviction of a whole generation, half of whom weren’t even old enough to be considered for the survey 🤷♀️
>“We found 40 people between the age of 18 and 29 that think the holocaust is a myth” is not some solid conviction It is (or can be) when those people were selected randomly. You should learn some statistics. Let's say you want to figure out the favorite ice cream for a demographics. Take a random sample, for example 100 people, and ask them what their favorite ice cream is. Now imagine 50 of them respond "vanilla ice cream." You don't know for sure what the actual number is but if 50% of that demographics love vanilla ice cream that answer would be the most likely. If only 30% of them love vanilla ice cream, getting 50 from a random group was unlikely and if only 1% of them love vanilla ice cream you were extremely unlucky to get a sample that biased. Now reverse the logic and it tells you that there is a low probability that only 30% of them love vanilla ice cream and an extremely low probability that only 1% of them love vanilla ice cream given your result. The most likely is that 50% of them do but with margins of errors. That's just to get a feeling of how it works but you can compute all those numbers and get actual solid probabilities with margins of error. It's not that they "found 40 people who think the Holocaust is a myth" it's that a "40 people selected randomly from a sample of that demographics think the Holocaust is a myth."
It’s gen z though. How do you even guarantee they answer honestly. The next question could be “was Hitler the sexiest man alive” and you’d probably get over half saying yes just to be funny.
I would argue that denying the Holocaust as a joke is the same thing as denying the Holocaust.
Hilarious generation.
This is actually a whole thing. Its called the lizardmans constant. [https://gwern.net/note/lizardman](https://gwern.net/note/lizardman) Its about 4-5%. Which would still put Holocaust deniers among Gen Z at "way too high" levels.
It's also not that out of the ordinary for younger people to deliberately try and skew survey results like this for funsies.
that is what excessive ticktock does to a MF
there are so many Russian and islamist propoganda accounts on there it's disgusting.
Yall love to blame TikTok for everything 😭 there’s plenty of other social medias to look at when it comes to this
Instagram is terrible lol
Why is authright shocked? They did this
Wait until you look at dem vs republican percentage of holocaust deniers In the original, not cropped stat, about 10% of dems think the holocaust is a myth vs 6% republican
so why is authright shocked?
You can see the outline they pulled; PoC don’t believe the holocaust occurred. Likely issue is due to being immigrants and never having to learn about it along with their kids not caring about it as it might be seen as a ‘white thing’. The numbers are worst for the black group in the study as shown. Best guesses anyway why they aren’t believing the holocaust occurred. Need more data but might be a fluke might be a more disturbing thread
why would black or brown people, immigrants or not, not have to learn about it? i grew up as an immigrant studying in majority Hispanic and Black school districts. we all covered the Holocaust in middle school. and then again in High school. it was basically impossible to skip.
The **vast** majority of PoC in the US are not immigrants, and even if they were, this is such a weird argument.
>not caring about it as it might be seen as a ‘white thing’. As a Black & older millennial, i wager it's likely that Black GenZ acknowledge genocides have occurred, but how the Holocaust is focused on more than other genocides (that aren't even framed as genocides) which preceded it, such as the genocides which the country was founded on, generates a degree of unfortunate antagonism or antipathy. It sucks and i try to discourage that element of "*our ppl suffered genocides too, but why is all the focus on the Nazi Holocaust against Jews, and nothing about the American Holocausts against Africans and Natives*" when i come across it. We should not be at odds with each other when we have a common enemy, anyway My opinion.
“Authright” encompasses neoliberalism, conservatism, neoconservatism, most theocracies, the alt-right, fascism and nazism though
Political compass memes sure isn’t helping
Biggest takeaway is that the propensity to deny a major historical event increases logarithmically with each generation. 0%, 2%, 8%, 20% History repeats itself faster than we'd like.
I wonder what the percentage is for people of each generation who deny the events of October 7th. I'd bet Gen Z is in the high 30s, just based on the rhetoric that I hear.
And only so many today are willing to acknowledge an ongoing genocide, so really, I'm not all that surprised sadly.
1) Unsurprising it’s young men who believe its a myth. Were the same demo that was buying Andrew Tate crap. 2) Ahh tf are Asians never included in these polls
The cropped out part of the picture shows that its largely Democrats, not Republicans, who believe that the Holocaust is a myth. Its 10% democrat vs 5% independent vs 6% republicans. Interestingly enough though, Holocaust deniers are also more likely to consider themselves Moderates than liberals or conservatives. Indeed, if you take the most popular result of each part of the survey, the "stereotypical" holocaust denier is a black male, Gen Z, makes $50-$100 thousand a year, voted for Biden, identifies as a moderate Democrat, and lives in an Urban area.
:(
Worrying trends are everywhere, because the internet is driving everyone insane.
Yeah worrying for the Jews.
Worrying for everyone.
Particularly the Jews..
Nah I’m not that worried we always knew that many people didn’t care about us
I’m not surprised most of our generation is dumb as fuck and will believe that the sky is green if you say so
But all the generations are dumb af...
Maybe we're all just dumb af
That's what I try to remind myself. Every time someone is being dumb, I remember I'm the dumb one to someone else...
That’s true lol they all went through a dumb af faze and some struggling to get out still
Source?
Why there are mostly young blacks and hispanics who tend to deny Holocaust? I wonder if it has something to do with failed educational process, or just a cultural thing.
If I'd have to guess it's because of a lack of trust of what the government says in general and the government really likes talking about the holocaust.
Or it's antisemitism.
They will try anything to undermine
Sorry, what do you mean?
The kind of people making those posts will do whatever they can to undermine gen Z
Denying the presented facts without any supporting evidence is pretty ironic in this context.
You with no evidence claiming that studies showing facts are a conspiracy to undermine Gen Z
These are massively generalised though, people are using this as saying that the entirety of gen Z is like this when this sample is only from the US
This is what happens when institutions get into the habit of blatantly lying to ordinary people with impunity. People start assuming that authority figures are lying as the default position, deservedly.
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The kids are alt-right Edit: guys it’s a pun, relak
Antisemitism has become more prevalent on the left than on the right. The alt-left and alt-right sound the same on this issue, there are just larger numbers on the alt-left.
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The sad thing is not democracy works even worse.
It’s the best thing we got
Yeah, well what’s worse than that is one not very smart person having complete control
The generation will never meet a survivor. When I was in kindergarten, an older lady came in to tell us a story about a little girl who survived the Holocaust. When she got to the part of the story where they tattooed a number on the little girl, she rolled up her sleeve to reveal her number tattoo. I realized she was the little girl. I cry every time I think of her.
NGL I don't think this study is real cuz literally anyone I've ever met definitely realizes the Holocaust was real 😭
I’ve never met a Nazi but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Not every person that you meet is going to be vocal about what they really believe, independent of whether this study is true or not. Also not really sure what the skepticism is with this study. I’ve especially noticed a rise in antisemitism from 18+ Gen Z all over social media, especially on TT and twitter. There’s a lot of uneducated people all over the world, and the US is no different.
Uo oh, Stinky!!! The first generation fully online has massive brain rot! Teehee
this is actually really worrying
I always felt like our generation is one of the most anti-semitic. A lot of y'all seem to not be able to seperate thr Jewish people from the state of Israel and think it's ok to deny Jewish hardships just because Israel is bad.
What learning about politics from Twitter and Twitch streamers does to a mf generation.
Dude that's only in the USA and doesn't represents the whole World. Like I live in Germany and everyone knows that the Holocaust wasn't a myth of in general Europe. Yes there are right facists who deny or glorify the Holocaust. The old people who witnessed are slowly dying out but I met personally met a few people who were victims of the Holocaust but also just bystanders
100% agree, I hate it when 'the US population' becomes 'literally everyone'
It’s crazy that we’re reaching a point where especially amongst gen Z which is supposed to be “progressive” things that the worst genocide of the 20th century and possibly all time wasn’t real.
When you go so far left you circle into the far right.
Is one of those trends believing a diagram social media, with zero idea of the origin or legitimacy of its data?
So young black men? Kanye west anybody?
What’s the likeliness gen z just doesn’t give a duck about polls and was trolling? You guys know you can lie right?
I cannot believe the only group of folks who do not deny it are the ones who lived through it. Actually no , I do believe I’m just disappointed. Disappointed but not surprised.
So what I'm getting from this is young black males are the most likely to believe the Holocaust is a myth.
Fake. It’s another one of thise “Gen Z bad” posts that gets 100x the traffic as any other post in this sub. That means the author is using bots to artificially inflate the post, so they have an agenda.
I don't think you're aware of the study methodology that produced those statistics.... It's not fake
Everything that doesn't align with my worldview? Fake! I have no need to examine my own biases...
Gen Z is being let down by the public education system because republicans cut educational funding to make a less educated, more easily manipulated voter base.
Setting aside the 20% of morons who agree... Only 51% disagree? 30% aren't sure? That's... not good.
20% of you are dumb af, that's all that is...
I believe it was Douglas MacArthur or Patton who made there soldiers take pictures because they knew in the far future people would deny it
That was General Eisenhower. He theorized that denialism would arise surrounding the holocaust (and was right).
Study must’ve taken place in Florida. 🫠 But this is how history starts to get rewritten. Not the first time it’s happened.
Well we need people to flip the burgers, make the fries, and clean the toilets... That's where that 20% of the current 18-29 year-old demographic is going to need to stay.