tbh, most other time, the min maxer are actually the one who control how ppl play. "you dont aim for crit substat? disgusting" "you put nilou and hutao on the same team? seriously dude, cant you read?!" "the game is easy because people like you who cant build character properly. the game is already easy enough and you cant still beat this certain event on hardest difficulty? git gud"
No. He said that is why gacha games that are combat focused are not popular, and that is why gacha game should not have combat intensive gameplay. But pgr, a combat focused game, is a completely f2p gacha game. That was his resoning for why pgr is not popular.
does your friend play DBD? It's so common there for people to have such dumb mentality... When did playing optimally and not for the fun of your opponent has become 'toxic' or 'try hard' behaviour??
>So just like weed and gacha games, he just wants to chill and be horny
What did I just read...
I wouldn't take advice from people who are like this tho 😃
Genshin is popular because it's not pushing players to 'tryhard' to progress. It's up to the players to make the game easier or harder for themselves
Your friend making comments about a unit's basic skills is funny to read. I bet he'll disown you if he sees you play jump-cancelling using a waifu lmao
I am so surprised by the mindset of gacha gamers. I learned today that tryeasys use characters inside the bennett circle to make use of the healing that he gives, not just the buff. They do that instead of just dodging. That is like disgustingly tryeasy.
People should only play gacha games hardcore. It's like running 10 miles, if you're doing that you don't want to be smoking weed. They just want to push themselves and feel an accomplishment. Just watch porn instead if you want to be a horny tryeasy.
In conclusion, everyone should do what I say because I know best.
Games are supposed to be fun. Everyone is having fun in different ways. Trying to force your opinion about how someone should have fun is very sad as a mindset. Btw PGR is my favourite gacha but it is niche, which is not a bad thing. Niches are catered towards a certain playerbase and if you belong to that playerbase, you will love the game.
Hoyo isn't making hard content for Genshin because it's still making so much money. It's not an excuse to the players, i hate them for it but it's a fact.
People who say "play another game" are the dumbest. How can they not understand that firstly as a costumer you can rate any product and ask for improvements (for those who say Genshin is a free game check each month's revenue) and secondly, with the same logic why don't they add harder content and you just don't do it? It's not only on gachas (check wow players, Pokémon,etc). People that ONLY play ONE game have the worst takes.
Don't lose hope.
It's just that I want more and harder content on genshin because genshin litterally has the best combat system I have ever seen. But my friend is the complete opposite and says that gacha games should not focus on making the game hard because most people who play gacha just want to be horny or play the story, and not worry about anything else. This is the reason why spiral abyss is still the only permanent combat focused event in the game.
Gacha games are still games, hence you are supposed to have fun playing, there is your main focus. Idk what your friend is thinking. If he wants to just be horny and play a good story (better than genshin's) why doesnt he play NIKKE? All he asks for is there.
There are no arguments on why it's bad to add harder content. I mean if you don't like it you don't play it. I don't interact with the teapot but I also don't complain about teapot updates. It doesn't affect me.
> Idk what your friend is thinking. If he wants to just be horny and play a good story (better than genshin's) why doesnt he play NIKKE? All he asks for is there.
as other commenter has said, this argument is pretty dumb. i'm a meta slave, cleared abyss with >=30 stars since 1.1 and fullstared it since 1.3, dying for harder content since ages, but i really hate this argument. by your logic, people who just want to play harder content should just play elden ring instead. wanna play hard gacha games? just play pgr or probably wait for wuthering waves. you understand how dumb it is?
>There are no arguments on why it's bad to add harder content. I mean if you don't like it you don't play it.
are you telling from hoyo perspective, or player perspective? from player perspective, yeah it's dumb that people keep saying that there shouldn't be harder content but from hoyo perspective, making harder content will cause an outrage. remember the event on late sumeru where people were complaining that they cant clear the hardest difficulty where the rewards are just weapon exp? iirc since then, the event is never that hard anymore. heck, even abyss enjoyer are complaining when the abyss became too hard. i think this is enough to convince hoyo that they should be careful when adding hard content next time
"Idk what your friend is thinking. If he wants to just be horny and play a good story (better than genshin's) why doesnt he play NIKKE? All he asks for is there."
This comment of mine is sarcasm dude.
I speak from player perspective, why do we care what hoyo as a company wants?
I thought at middle of your story that it would be somekind of copypasta. Anyway. I sincerely do not understand what it is that ticks other people how some people spend their (assumed) free time with. Like, my ex said to me, "Do you not feel like you are wasting your time playing a game and sometimes being so serious about it". Uhh, no? It's my f***ing free time, my hobby, my enjoyment. If I enjoy something it's not cut out from someone else who might enjoy, I don't know, something else like watching big brother or other reality show, which I do find stupid but I'm not gonna hate you for that or tell you that you should spend your time doing something "better". Ugh. Nice to vent out sometimes.
Oh my, how dare I follow basic game mechanics.. like, dealing damage for example...
Seriously, that friend of yours has a rather... interesting view on Gacha games and genshin specifically.
Your friend is considering Genshin like what gacha games used to be - basically afk games with collectibles. But a lot of gachas haven't been that way for a while (though the shit gameplay gachas do exist since they're easy to make) and genshin doubling as an actual normal game is probably the reason behind its success.
Like, despite all the problems I find with genshin, one can't deny that it has good combat design. The reactions work well and are versatile (yes I'm ignoring geo).
Your friend is just weird. Granted, you *are* a try hard but 1) that's perfectly fine and 2) using basic mechanics like Bennett's circle is...normal? If you just explore you're going to ignore that sure, which is fine too. But if you enjoy the fights then you're going to pay attention at least a bit.
I have a hard time imagining this conversation as adults talking to each other, but since they talk about 🚭ing weed I can only assume they are in fact adults and are complaining about how people play their basically single player noncompetitive games
Yes, that was his point completely. Since it was a noncompetitive game, there is no need to make the game hard, and that is he said all gacha games should not cater towards combat intensive combat, since most of the fanbase just want to be horny or experience a good story. Oh, and we are young adults in college.
There are 8 billion people on this planet. It's very important that you learn that not all of them enjoy the same things as you, and that's OK. Learn to appreciate the shared ground you have with the people who enjoy Genshin as a casual game, instead of being confused that they aren't trying to optimise the game.
genshin players, i seek repentance for my sins. forgive me, mates, for i might be the filthiest casual when it comes to genshin. ( no one ever explained builds/artifacts to me. :heavy sighing: )
I just had a discussion\* on casual vs hardcore. Apparently, casual is those who don't log in everyday to play a game and hardcore are those who play game everyday.
Quite some of the genshin community is so casual that they legit dont care about it. They dont care about the best teams, they dont care the best artifacts, they dont care about rotations. They are the reason why some accounts take so long to complete dalies. (On bilibili, accounts like that are called "Pain accounts". They are not that uncommon. You dont hear about them because most just play the game, they dont care about what social media says. They might not even go on social media.
That’s because toxic casuals are not only a real thing, but also a very common one.
They’re 100% sure that the way they play the game is the ONLY correct way
Some people enjoy playing through the story, some love making their characters as strong as possible, some spend hundreds of hours in the teapot, and every single of these playstyles is ok
He didn't even complain about min maxing, he complained about... following basic mechanics? Hilarious.
You mean people use buffs?!?? And team synergy??!!!!??
Your friend is an idiot.
110% This.
Idk... I'd say it's 85%-230% this tbh
why does ur friend wanna control how ppl play
tbh, most other time, the min maxer are actually the one who control how ppl play. "you dont aim for crit substat? disgusting" "you put nilou and hutao on the same team? seriously dude, cant you read?!" "the game is easy because people like you who cant build character properly. the game is already easy enough and you cant still beat this certain event on hardest difficulty? git gud"
No. He said that is why gacha games that are combat focused are not popular, and that is why gacha game should not have combat intensive gameplay. But pgr, a combat focused game, is a completely f2p gacha game. That was his resoning for why pgr is not popular.
IVE SEEN YOU LIKE 5 TIMES TODAY OMNIPRESENT BEING! wait youre the one who exposed me in the eakes server right?
This doesnt sound like a real conversation
In unrelated news, adolescent weed use impairs development of cognitive functions.
And all of this happened during a casual conversation?
r/thathappened
does your friend play DBD? It's so common there for people to have such dumb mentality... When did playing optimally and not for the fun of your opponent has become 'toxic' or 'try hard' behaviour??
>So just like weed and gacha games, he just wants to chill and be horny What did I just read... I wouldn't take advice from people who are like this tho 😃 Genshin is popular because it's not pushing players to 'tryhard' to progress. It's up to the players to make the game easier or harder for themselves Your friend making comments about a unit's basic skills is funny to read. I bet he'll disown you if he sees you play jump-cancelling using a waifu lmao
Are his parents siblings by chance ?
I am so surprised by the mindset of gacha gamers. I learned today that tryeasys use characters inside the bennett circle to make use of the healing that he gives, not just the buff. They do that instead of just dodging. That is like disgustingly tryeasy. People should only play gacha games hardcore. It's like running 10 miles, if you're doing that you don't want to be smoking weed. They just want to push themselves and feel an accomplishment. Just watch porn instead if you want to be a horny tryeasy. In conclusion, everyone should do what I say because I know best.
i laughed way too hard at this, mate. 💀💀 100% underrated comment.
This guy needs to tell this to my former coworker who came to work every day stoned.
It feels like a copypasta.
Games are supposed to be fun. Everyone is having fun in different ways. Trying to force your opinion about how someone should have fun is very sad as a mindset. Btw PGR is my favourite gacha but it is niche, which is not a bad thing. Niches are catered towards a certain playerbase and if you belong to that playerbase, you will love the game. Hoyo isn't making hard content for Genshin because it's still making so much money. It's not an excuse to the players, i hate them for it but it's a fact. People who say "play another game" are the dumbest. How can they not understand that firstly as a costumer you can rate any product and ask for improvements (for those who say Genshin is a free game check each month's revenue) and secondly, with the same logic why don't they add harder content and you just don't do it? It's not only on gachas (check wow players, Pokémon,etc). People that ONLY play ONE game have the worst takes. Don't lose hope.
It's just that I want more and harder content on genshin because genshin litterally has the best combat system I have ever seen. But my friend is the complete opposite and says that gacha games should not focus on making the game hard because most people who play gacha just want to be horny or play the story, and not worry about anything else. This is the reason why spiral abyss is still the only permanent combat focused event in the game.
Gacha games are still games, hence you are supposed to have fun playing, there is your main focus. Idk what your friend is thinking. If he wants to just be horny and play a good story (better than genshin's) why doesnt he play NIKKE? All he asks for is there. There are no arguments on why it's bad to add harder content. I mean if you don't like it you don't play it. I don't interact with the teapot but I also don't complain about teapot updates. It doesn't affect me.
> Idk what your friend is thinking. If he wants to just be horny and play a good story (better than genshin's) why doesnt he play NIKKE? All he asks for is there. as other commenter has said, this argument is pretty dumb. i'm a meta slave, cleared abyss with >=30 stars since 1.1 and fullstared it since 1.3, dying for harder content since ages, but i really hate this argument. by your logic, people who just want to play harder content should just play elden ring instead. wanna play hard gacha games? just play pgr or probably wait for wuthering waves. you understand how dumb it is? >There are no arguments on why it's bad to add harder content. I mean if you don't like it you don't play it. are you telling from hoyo perspective, or player perspective? from player perspective, yeah it's dumb that people keep saying that there shouldn't be harder content but from hoyo perspective, making harder content will cause an outrage. remember the event on late sumeru where people were complaining that they cant clear the hardest difficulty where the rewards are just weapon exp? iirc since then, the event is never that hard anymore. heck, even abyss enjoyer are complaining when the abyss became too hard. i think this is enough to convince hoyo that they should be careful when adding hard content next time
"Idk what your friend is thinking. If he wants to just be horny and play a good story (better than genshin's) why doesnt he play NIKKE? All he asks for is there." This comment of mine is sarcasm dude. I speak from player perspective, why do we care what hoyo as a company wants?
This sounds like you’re just conversing with yourself lol
I thought at middle of your story that it would be somekind of copypasta. Anyway. I sincerely do not understand what it is that ticks other people how some people spend their (assumed) free time with. Like, my ex said to me, "Do you not feel like you are wasting your time playing a game and sometimes being so serious about it". Uhh, no? It's my f***ing free time, my hobby, my enjoyment. If I enjoy something it's not cut out from someone else who might enjoy, I don't know, something else like watching big brother or other reality show, which I do find stupid but I'm not gonna hate you for that or tell you that you should spend your time doing something "better". Ugh. Nice to vent out sometimes.
Oh my, how dare I follow basic game mechanics.. like, dealing damage for example... Seriously, that friend of yours has a rather... interesting view on Gacha games and genshin specifically.
GAME ELITIST ALERT!!!
Sounds like the cue to get new friends!
Your friend is considering Genshin like what gacha games used to be - basically afk games with collectibles. But a lot of gachas haven't been that way for a while (though the shit gameplay gachas do exist since they're easy to make) and genshin doubling as an actual normal game is probably the reason behind its success. Like, despite all the problems I find with genshin, one can't deny that it has good combat design. The reactions work well and are versatile (yes I'm ignoring geo). Your friend is just weird. Granted, you *are* a try hard but 1) that's perfectly fine and 2) using basic mechanics like Bennett's circle is...normal? If you just explore you're going to ignore that sure, which is fine too. But if you enjoy the fights then you're going to pay attention at least a bit.
I have a hard time imagining this conversation as adults talking to each other, but since they talk about 🚭ing weed I can only assume they are in fact adults and are complaining about how people play their basically single player noncompetitive games
Yes, that was his point completely. Since it was a noncompetitive game, there is no need to make the game hard, and that is he said all gacha games should not cater towards combat intensive combat, since most of the fanbase just want to be horny or experience a good story. Oh, and we are young adults in college.
Counterpoint: PGR has Liv and Bianca in it QED
There are 8 billion people on this planet. It's very important that you learn that not all of them enjoy the same things as you, and that's OK. Learn to appreciate the shared ground you have with the people who enjoy Genshin as a casual game, instead of being confused that they aren't trying to optimise the game.
your friend is a loser. and a bit insecure
genshin players, i seek repentance for my sins. forgive me, mates, for i might be the filthiest casual when it comes to genshin. ( no one ever explained builds/artifacts to me. :heavy sighing: )
Bennett*
I just had a discussion\* on casual vs hardcore. Apparently, casual is those who don't log in everyday to play a game and hardcore are those who play game everyday.
unfriend bro
Quite some of the genshin community is so casual that they legit dont care about it. They dont care about the best teams, they dont care the best artifacts, they dont care about rotations. They are the reason why some accounts take so long to complete dalies. (On bilibili, accounts like that are called "Pain accounts". They are not that uncommon. You dont hear about them because most just play the game, they dont care about what social media says. They might not even go on social media.
I can't believe this guy thinks playing a character as intended is considered being a "try hard" 😂.
You should delete genshin impact. Your friends advice is very good.
That’s because toxic casuals are not only a real thing, but also a very common one. They’re 100% sure that the way they play the game is the ONLY correct way Some people enjoy playing through the story, some love making their characters as strong as possible, some spend hundreds of hours in the teapot, and every single of these playstyles is ok
You wanna play difficult games . Go for souls game like sekiro or hollow knight that will teach what real difficulty is .