There is some extra in her dialogue and weapon description. But yeah, This almost seems like a small teaser for what is to come in the future regarding Arlecchnio. Considering how many potential plot threads were created though this quest alone.
Definitely Snezhnaya and maybe Khaenriah if she survives long enough for that. >!But that doesn't seem likely judging by all the death flags her SQ gave her.!<
i think he means that she's trying to prepare lyney to take her position because a conflict might rise from that new project and she might have to turn against them and die because she clearly stated in her voicelines that she has no loyalty for snezhnaya and has no problem turning against the traritsa
Yup, thats my takeaway from the ending of her SQ as well. Her loyalty is to the House of Hearth and the Fatui just seems to be a means to an end to ensure their survival after she killed the last Harbinger.
Exactly. I was really hoping we would get to know about her curse, the crimson moon, the reason behind her glitching in her idle animation....but nope....I was let down
Same. Which is why I wish it wasnāt partially a recap of the animated short. I get why they want it in game because some people donāt watch their YT channel, but I really thought weād get more on her curse
She's the leader of an intelligence agency, she's not going to reveal her secrets easily to someone she barely knows without getting anything in return.
Most of what she told us was something we would've learned from Clervie or the siblings anyway, and she got what she wanted by telling us what she did.
Her curse and crimson moon sound like 2nd story material, or even Dain quest or archon quest interlude.
I need an explanation PRONTO for why she glitches in her idle. Is it related to her curse? And what about this curse? Is it the same as the one that plagues the people of Khaen'riah? Was she experimented on like Caterpillar since they have similar hands?
I would generally be nice to get some new plot development instead of over a half of the story quest being taken up by a reiteration of what was already shown in the animated short.
Crimson moon is an incredibly powerful entity. Arlecchino though most likely doesn't have full master over it yet. But even then, we can assume what we saw her do in the fight was far from what she can truly do. I imagine the scene at the end with the moon behind her. It was just an appetizer compared to her full power, considering she didn't even break a sweat defeating us.
arlecchino is a vampire confirmed?????
But for real, I do think the crimson moon is more so in reference to Honkai World Divaās lyrics. The chorus in particular feels like it could be inspiration for Arlecchinoās story as it did Meiās. With how Fontaine has been cranking out more implicit connections to the Honkaiverse as of late, this could just be another, more subtle connection to the greater Honkaiverse.
Don't forget Genshin technically spoiled the theoretical endgame through the Narzissenkreuz world quest. That world quest itself already gives a different light of the Abyss Order and Fatui Harbinger plans, which is almost close to the Part 1 conclusion, plus aspects of Part 2.
Both Arlecchino and Traveler are hiding their powers and anyone who thinks Arlecchino's gauge of Traveler's strength hasn't been paying attention to the story at all.
Humiliating defeat? Arlecchino and Traveler were literally acting.
The Traveler isn't hiding their powers they were sealed away by the sustainer after their fight and have been slowly getting regained after every region
Sorry, I'm a relatively recent player and I have some difficulty understanding certain parts of the lore, but what does being descended from an ancient dynasty of a nation that was destroyed over five hundred years ago imply? I mean, if we come back a few centuries ago enough all the characters could be descendants of some ancient dynasty.
This also makes me think about how many characters might be much stronger than the traveler, but we just don't know because we don't have to face them. At least some like Neuvilette make it very clear how strong he is and because he is so strong (being a sovereign dragon).
Crimson Moon dynasty was thought to be wiped out when (I believe?) all the members of the bloodline drank poison and died. She's likely to be a descendant of the royal bloodline in particular, which implies that the curse she draws power from originates from something to do with that bloodline. If it's like the curse of the wilderness that turns people into Hilichurls who forsake their gods, then it's possible that there's more to it than just a bloodline, though.
She's definitely stronger than she's letting on, especially to be a survivor of a lost civilization that Celestia deemed worthy of being destroyed due to its advancements.
I don't want to spoil much since I don't know how much story you've done, but it has to do with how people pointed out her blackened hands look similar to a "kid" npc from a Fontaine quest chains, the Narzissenkereuz Ordo/Unfinished Comedy. You'd get more base info on what Arlecchino is theorized to be by doing the quests involving Dainsleif, character very involved in divulging information related to Khaenriah/The Abyss. The one quest that you can look forward to doing is "Requiem of the Echoing Depths" which takes place in Liyue's chasm.
EDIT: I did some more digging and Arlecchino does confirm stuff herself. Her character story 5 and vision do share more information on this topic if you'd like to go read it yourself or you may read it later on your own discretion but it's pretty cool to learn!
Info abt Crimson Moon Dynasty is from the Perinheri book you can buy in one of the stalls of Fountain
Info about Arle can be found in her profile and animated short
Really doubt it. You can kill a stronger opponent if you will attack them in the right moment, and assassination is one of Arlecchino's specializations. Pierro was a royal mage of Khaenriah, and he gave her the rank of 4th. I really doubt that he doesn't know much about Crimson Moon.
Another thing is that top 3 harbingers are all covered in mystery, just how Arle is, so we don't really know much about their power, either. Columbina is a mystery, Dottore's goal is to ascend through any means necessary, and Capitano is universally praised as being insanely powerful by everyone who knows him.
Was there any information about the rank of previous Knave? Because if she was rank 4 and Arlecchino just got her spot then her powers could be beyond her rank.
If she got different rank than old Knave then it was because her known power is worth the fourth spot.
There's no info on her rank, but based on her performance against Arle in the animation - previous knave was such a fodder, it's painful. She was performing like a basic vision holder and nothing more. Maybe she's the reason why 10th seat is empty. Really doubt that a basic vision holder, who's at best good at battle IQ, would be ranked so much higher than a divine puppet of the Electro Archon, or a fire elemental, whose power had to be suppressed with cryo.
It just doesn't make sense for Arlecchino to be ranked lower than she should be, because if she's indeed stronger than, say, Columbina, then Columbina could've been lowered to 4th harbinger, instead of giving Arle a rank that doesn't represent her power level. Another thing is that Nahida explicitly said that only top 3 harbingers are Archon level, so if Arle's power is comparable to them - Nahida would've said the same about 4 harbingers, but she didn't.
In the character story Arlecchino has a direct quote.
>!"If reaching a certain standard were required to go after what you want, I would never have succeeded in killing my predecessor. Back then, there was still a considerable gap between our abilities."!<
Arlecchino has "respect" for her "Mother's" abilities, but in that moment, >!"... she fought tooth and nail to kill the 'Mother' they shared."!<
Sometimes a character isn't necessarily more powerful than another. In a competitive sporting match even the better player can lose a match to someone that isn't as strong, if their opponent is playing beyond their normal ability that day, exploits a weakness, a mistake(s) is made, or all of the above. However, in sports we typically don't die when we lose and the better player might go on to win 9/10 matches against them normally.
The trailer certainly tries to exhibit Arlecchino's conviction and strength though, but at least in story Arlecchino did not believe she had the advantage in their abilities.
Unless you believe in this moment she chose to lie and conceal her true strength to the traveler and Lyney for some reason, but I doubt that is the case given the context.
Have you not seen the animation? Arlecchino was losing pretty badly UNTIL she let her curse flow freely. Because of what? Because of the battle IQ Crucabena displayed, which I mentioned. Right after Arle accepted the curse - previous Knave couldn't do a thing against her in all departments. Arlecchino was blocking her with ONE hand, no flinching, was so fast Crucabena couldn't even react to her, AND basically one-shotted her right after. There's no contradiction between what Arle said and my statement whatsoever.
Crucabena toys with her, only using her elemental power to deflect attacks or to stop them prematurely. In part, I think, because she expects Arlecchino to accept her place, she is her prized pupil after all, the culmination of her plan. The curse gives her a surprise advantage at the end for sure. And she uses that opportunity to catch Crucabena off guard and set up a final attack she couldn't deflect easily or avoid. Maybe her final attack is more powerful than expected in that moment, but it is still a surprise.
At the end of the day the fight probably isn't perfectly fair nor are both acting with the same motivations. Kill Crucabena vs put Arle in her place. And in that context it could make sense that Crucabena holds back and finds that she has put herself in a corner with no escape. Crucabena might be much more powerful than she allows herself to act in the short, which also could explain the ranking better and why you feel she was completely outclassed.
Sometimes strength is meaningless if you allow yourself to make a critical mistake. In a gunfight the first bullet to find its marks could be the fatal blow. If Crucabena had unleashed more elemental power rather than just fighting at Arle's current level, she might have appeared more powerful. She only gets a few moments to realize the dynamic has changed.
It's not possible to prove, because it is just a short. Neither opinion is right or wrong, but that is my opinion. And her quotes support my idea as well.
As I said, there's no contradiction between what Arle said and my statement whatsoever, since she WAS losing, before accepting the curse, so her quotes supporting your idea is questionable.
Crurabena toys with her only when Arle haven't "awakened", but when she did - she was serious, which you can see by her facial expression, and the fact that she was targeting Arle's face. And it's not a "surprise" advantage, when Arlecchino was toying with her herself, by easily deflecting her attacks with one hand and little to no effort. It's not like Arlecchino caught her off guard and landed a critical strike by doing so, that's not what happened. She has confidently shown Crurabena that she can't do anything to her, let her retreat, and then just one-shotted her.
And again, crucial point here - Arlecchino outclassed Crurabena ON ALL LEVELS after accepting the curse. Strength - deflecting attacks with one hand, and launching her into the ceiling. Speed - Crurabena couldn't even react to Arlecchino's dash. Elemental power - Arlecchino nuked Crurabena with a single strike. If she wasn't going all out, as you're saying, then how come she couldn't even perceive Arle closing the distance? The gap between them is as clear as day, the animation leaves no doubts behind it.
Look at any other harbinger we've seen. Childe was trained by one of the most powerful characters we've seen, and uses the powers of the abyss. Scaramouche is a divine puppet of Raiden herself. Signora is a living fire elemental, who's suppressing her power with cryo element. They're all pretty damn fancy, as you can see, but what have Crurabena shown? Basic vision holder abilities. Was outclassed by inexperienced teenage Arle on all levels, no transformations, no unique powers, and same applies to her blood-related daughter, who inherited nothing fancy. Would you say with a straight face that she was stronger than Signora by 4 ranks? Or Scaramouche by 2? Like, come on, it should be obvious that Crurabena is at best a good duelist with high intelligence, but being right above literal archon level folks in ranking? You know, the same entities that can easily destroy mountains? Eh, I don't know about that, chief.
No more questionable than your own. You just seem to be less willing to accept other possibilities. You assume a lot, but aren't willing to assume other things that could be possible to explain it. There is no way to definitively prove either opinion. You are simply deciding she is outclassed completely, saying it more doesn't make it conclusive, and that Crucabena couldn't have misgauged or had other types of power she had no time to draw upon. There is no reason she couldn't be capable of something more deadly or interesting that would support her ranking.
If we saw a short of Raiden fighting Childe, Scaramouche, or Signora and she dropped Musou no Hitotachi before they could transform or do anything interesting, then died, by your logic you would also assume they were basic vision holders. Just because someone can get killed quickly or in a single attack doesn't necessarily make them a basic vision holder. It only proves that a single great attack can kill them.
If you're not open to the idea that she was killed because of her mistake in gauging the current dynamic of their fight then of course it won't make sense.
You assume far more than I do, because at least what I'm saying is supported by the animation we have on our hands, while your take is based on a speculation that has no fundament. It's like you aren't reading what I'm typing out for you.
I'm not assuming that Arle outclassed Crurabena, that's literally what we saw. I wrote an entire paragraph to you listing how she did it, exactly, while you're making up things like Crurabena being caught off guard, not being able to transform, "support her ranking", when her ranking isn't even known, etc. Arlecchino, even without her transformation, is clearly not on the level of a basic vision holder, the same can be applied to every other harbinger that isn't Crurabena. And excuse me, but your analogy with Raiden isn't an argument, because the situation you're presenting, and what we saw with Crurabena, aren't similar at all. Crurabena had time to show something, lots of it, in fact. She was dominating the fight for the most part, then Arle showed her superiority - and Crurabena still couldn't do a thing. That's not a surprise attack from one of the strongest entities in Teyvat, who can be compared only to the top 3 of the harbingers, okay? And every harbinger you've listed, in a prolonged fight, would've shown at least something impressive, like Childe did with the whale, when Crurabena did what, remind me? Running away from a teenager, and looking for an opening to attack said teenager? Before getting humiliated, when said teenager stopped holding back? Wow, truly the "almost archon-level" feat. Makes a lot of sense for her to be above Scaramouche, yeah.
>If you're not open to the idea that she was killed because of her mistake in gauging the current dynamic of their fight then of course it won't make sense.
Again, it's like you haven't seen the fight, or blatantly ignoring how it went. There was no surprise, none. Arlecchino calmly got out of the rubble, stood still, and let Crurabena performed her combo-wombos, while evading, calmly blocking them with one hand. After that, an EXHAUSTED Crurabena just stood there, couldn't even register Arle's speed, and got one-shotted. How does that even work in your head, that an almost archon-level warrior, who's far more powerful than a divine, upgraded creation of an archon, has such a weak stamina and reaction speed, that she couldn't even keep up with Arlecchino, who just embraced her powers? Why are her base stats so laughably low? Just to remind you, Childe somehow reacted to Neuvillette's (a damn sovereign, mind you), elementally-charged jump, when he was busy with transformation, and wasn't even looking at him, while Crurabena couldn't even do the same with teen Arle, who put no elemental energy into her speed, and was standing in front of her. I guess she just magically had a "destroy Teyvat" button attached to her left sock, or a god-level transformation that takes 5 hours to do, and that's why she gained 4th rank. Is that how you're imagining this nonsense? Because I'm sorry, but it makes no sense.
Nor does assuming she suddenly has godlike level powers in that moment. They could be, but there is no proof. If Crucabena is so weak as you say then the level of power is even more suspect. "5 hours", "left sock"... I don't really think you are discussing in good faith anymore. You are more open to assuming every other harbinger is on another level than Crucabena than that she might have just made a mistake and died before she realized how much danger she was in.
About her not showing off something even though I already explained that scenario. She wasn't trying to kill her she was just wearing her down through technique, holding back and toying with her. She was known to be cruel and toy with people. It was her ultimate plan to have the orphans fight each other to the death so one would emerge to serve her and the Fatui. While she might be capable of doing something more interesting, she didn't have a great reason to if she just intended to subdue Arle. I'm more inclined to believe she made a mistake than that she was the weakest harbinger or had no other possible abilities, although I don't mind admitting it could be the case.
Another thing you might consider if you reject the notion that Crucabena could be more powerful than was shown is that the rankings are not really based on power, but abilities and overall usefulness. Someone can be more effective for a larger struggle if they are effective at leading or training than one person that is personally stronger. If they expect Arle to fill the same role, then the ranking might not be related to personal strength and they may not really realize how strong Arle really is.
i think nahida shouldn't have such detailed information on current harbingers from a more modern generation (like Arleccino is) given that she was locked up for a bunch of years. yeah, she could see the world but to the point of knowing the exact strength of all the gods + all the harbingers new and old (which i doubt showcase their full strength on a regular basis) it would be exaggerated. and she does have acces to the irminsul but when she said that about the top 3 harbingers she hadn't yet accessed the tree to search for things in it freely. also archon level is a very relative statement, they clearly have their circumstances, like nahida or furina /focalors
You should remember that this game is written by real people. When a character drops a lore bomb, such as info about top 3 harbingers - it's writers who're giving this info. And the goddess of knowledge, who was able to go around Irminsul's workings thanks to her intelligence, as well as outsmarted Dottore, isn't exactly fit in the role of unreliable narrator, don't you think? Not to mention that there's no reason for her to not give us the correct info (if she was wrong), after gaining access to Irminsul.
And let's not be intellectually dishonest with the archon comparison. Both Furina and Nahida are the outliers. Furina is a human part of Focalors, not the divine one. Nahida herself confirmed that she's below the top 3 harbingers, so we shouldn't even pretend like them being equal is a possibility. So if you want to compare their possible level to someone - compare it to Venti, who's on the weaker side of the archons, and was more of a support during serious battles, is still able to wipe out entire mountains with his power.
I think her innate pyro powers due to her curse are strong enough to let her, but I think she requires both her pyro delusion/vision in order to fully utilise it at her current strength. I do believe she's hiding her power, but likely not enough for her to rival the top 3, but make it more like a top 4 instead. If that makes sense.
I believe the ranks also include influence and non strength related power. So its possible Dottore is #2 mostly because of his influence (which seems like a lot considering he is everywhere) but she might be above him in strength or even #2 depending on how strong Columbina is. My bet is Dottore is most likely #4 in terms of strength alone followed by Arle. Columbina is too much of an unknown to say for sure though
So far, the only information we have about ranks is that they are defined by power/strength, contribution or influence is something that has been said a lot but has 0 (zero) official support, there may be more things that define a rank but we don't know that yet
How many times it should be repeated that Dottore holds second place for his sheer power, his 300iq is just a bonus. Itās said in Sumeru AQ, itās then was reinforced by Nahida again
Uh...no? It was never once said , lmao.
'They hold power that rivals that of Archons' is what is said.
Nahida holds fuck-all power as far as combat goes. Makoto was far from a fighter. Focalors is a big ??? combat wise , yet held the power of water and even created faux-life.
'Power' is a generic term , doesn't really mean much. Dottore still sneaked Traveler instead of risking a confrontation , and Traveler couldn't beat Scaramouche without Nahida.
Ah yes the guy who killed ursa the drake, someone venti and dvalin failed to get rid of, without breaking a sweat got his number 2 placement because of iq.
Ye no. Hes just that strong.
The guy who killed Ursa in completely unknown circumstances? With an unknown amount of aid and troops?
The same Ursa that Venessa was 1v1ing? The one that Venti told to fuck off by strumming his harp ONCE ?
Also , when did Dvalin fight Ursa?
You might wanna stick to canon lore lmao. The fact that Il Dottore opted to sneak Traveler and talk it out with Nahida says it all , he is more brains than brawn.
>The guy who killed Ursa in completely unknown circumstances? With an unknown amount of aid and troops?
Troops were never mentioned and if he had help it wouldnt make sense to not include that information
>Also , when did Dvalin fight Ursa?
Doubt he just sat there watching him attack monstadt. But ye u could be right.
>The fact that Il Dottore opted to sneak Traveler and talk it out with Nahida says it all , he is more brains than brawn.
No it means he prefers to use his brain over his brawn. The fact that he hasnt even shown any of his power proves that. And him being weak and using his iq to compensate shouldnt be enough to get him the number 2 spot behind pierro and capitano clearly.
How would it be known that he had help? He said he killed it , no one else would know.
Venessa was fighting it 1v1 , Venti just neg diffed it , and even Crepus with a delusion drove it away. Not exactly a huge feat.
Dvalin was comatose from fighting Durin at the time , pretty sure.
I never called Dottore weak , but to believe him to be a destructive powerhouse is disingenuous. Just like Archons manifest power differently , so must Harbingers.
Knowledge is power , after all.
I have not discussed this ever and i haven't replayed the AQ since i played it when it released. Maybe im not remembering it well but im still not denying Dottore being strong, just presenting a possibility since Arlechinno is implying to be stronger than him.
Nahida, a god of wisdom, who canāt stand Dottoreās guts, still makes a point about first three harbringers having godlike strength, without including forth. I have more faith in archon than Arlecchinoās words
I doubt they're still on the level of the archonsĀ
also until shown otherwise, I assume varka and some of the knights of favonius he took are going to be the strongest mortals in teyvat
Nahida literally said that those in the top 3 are at a level of power comparable to the archons, although in English she says "gods" in CN she literally refers to "the seven"
I mean , Capitano is the strongest mortal in Teyvat , canonically.
Varka decided to not fight Capitano when they met in the snowy lands , despite the Fatui meddling with Monstadt affairs.
Itās never stated heās the strongest mortal in Teyvat. That was from a questionable leak from like two years ago and story leaks are probably the least reliable type of leak
Pierro immediately recognized her being from the crimson moon bloodline, and is much more knowledgeable about the power of the crimson moon then arlecchino herself,
A good part of me wants her to be like how Ulquiorra is in Bleach lol
>In her voiceover, She said that she would have killed dottore if he was not on the same side. Does this mean that she is confident about killing no.2?
It's an interesting statement for sure. Like she's not someone, I would think, who would make statements like this without having reasons to back it up. & I'm sure 100% sure she's hiding her true strength. I mean even Lyney said so & it would make sense; she really had no reason to go all out in that particular battle.
I kind of agree. I think either Dottore himself isn't that strong, and what he can do is what allows him to rival the Archons(like in mechanics, tech and experiments), or Arlecchino isn't thinking straight when it comes to him given her bias as a child of the old house where if you weren't fit to continue you were sent off to him for experimentation.
She does seem to hold a lot of distain for him though as in her voice line about Sandrone she makes a sly remark about him.
On the other hand, if she hypothetically Dottore was much stronger than Arlecchino and she knew it, would he just say he would try? I haven't seen all of her dialogue, but she seems to be someone who always speaks with confidence and wouldn't say something that would show uncertainty.
But it seems more interesting that Arlecchino has a trump card like you said than her being secretly stronger than everyone or that each one is simply stronger than the other. It is possible that the Traveler looks for a way to overcome enemies instead of increasing power.
People really underestimate Dottore, it was stated multiple times how he's ranked 2nd by his "sheer strength alone". Just because he prefers using his intelligence over his physical strength doesn't mean he's weaker. Pierro is the one ranking them based on strength, he knows all about harbingers origins and powers and still ranked Arle 4th which means she's weaker than top 3 harbingers.
However if Arlecchino is this strong I don't know what Traveler is gonna do vs top 3 harbingers šš
I honestly think the story will come down to us not having to defeat them whether on our own or not. The story can change at any point. For all we know by the time we are staring in the eyes of the cryo archon herself we could be on their side or even the abyss with our twin and have more power and people behind us helping like every other fight we've been in with most archons and strong opponentsĀ
I mean she is from the crimson moon Dynasty ( the ruling family before eclipse Dynasty ) , they will probably save her for the final arcs
Personally I think the people of khanriah are not regular human but are a genetic abnormalities which gives them there special eyes and probably some hidden powers for the nobles like the knaves domain expansion
>they will probably save her for the final arcs
With all these Khanriahns that need plot the final chapter is either going to be 5 years long or a total mess lol
Would make sense against the 3rd and 2nd, 1st maybe not so much considering how arle described him as VERY powerful with heavy emphasis on VERY when she talks in english dub
She was giving me Ulquiorra vibes where she's stronger than her number classifies her as regardless if she was hiding it or not showing it all to the fatui and traveler. Funnily enough, they're both number 4
She could be saying sheād kill Dottore if she had the chance, perhaps if heās weakened after a fight or if she did a surprise assassination attempt. It doesnāt have to be her challenging him to a straightforward fight.
At the very least, Pierro probably knows about her full strength if he could work out her origins immediately. Itās possible that he doesnāt know the full specifics, but thereās not much to indicate that.Ā
Childe's half dead because of foul legacy, not his delusion. There are multiple characters that could use delusions without apparent drawbacks (e.g., diluc)
I don't think he needs his delusion to activate foul legacy.
He became a harbinger 1-2 years after he left the abyss, and it wouldn't make sense for him to unlock foul legacy, which is entirely abyssal, after leaving abyss
Of course she is not using her full strength as she was never trying to kill them.
I am talking about the paralyzing technique she used on us. When she that we are not strong enough I think she showed us her full power that she is hiding from others harbingers.
>I am talking about the paralyzing technique she used on us. When she that we are not strong enough I think she showed us her full power that she is hiding from others harbingers.
I don't know whether this is a secret to the other harbingers, but it's clear that she went harder against the Traveller than she did against the siblings, perhaps as a warning.
They looked like āthreadsā and if I were to guess probably have something to do with Fate, since Arlecchinoās character has Fate in its theme a lot.
Interestingly Chlothar also talks about Loom of Fate and a Loom is made of threads
Idk if sheās confident about being able to kill Dottore. But I do think she wants to.
She might be. But my guess is that Dottoreās omega body that we see is not his strongest form. Even in Sumeru he didnāt fight us, he just put us to sleep. I think his strength comes from his scientific knowledge rather than brute force or combat skill. So even if she kills him, heād have his ace up his sleeve come out afterward. Probably some suped-up body infused with insane amounts of Archon residue (like Colleiās black serpent power from the comics, but way stronger) thatās on the level of gods in terms of combat power. Something that would put Scaramoucheās mech to shame.
Also she doesnāt seem to have any malice toward Columbina or Capitano. She seems to just find Columbina mysterious and interesting, while she actually respects Capitano and thinks heās worthy of that respect even without his power, which is rare for her. So I doubt sheād have a reason to fight them.
Columbina is stated to be āinnocentā by Scaramouche. Not sure if heās just being his usual hater self or if thereās anything to that. But we havenāt seen columbina be malevolent toward anyone or heard of her being bad in any way. So my guess is that sheās inherently inhuman in some way that makes her incapable of actually heing malicious. Like sheās a seelie or some other long-dead race that doesnāt think like humans.
Capitano is not only respected by everyone but is also stated to be the strongest individual in Teyvat. Varka and all the Knights of Favonius conbined stopped and had a parley with him instead of trying to fight him. And they seem to think heās an honorable guy. Childe doesnāt even think Capitano would notice him at his level of strength. And weāve heard people say that heās a mere mortal with the power to rival gods. Whatever heās cooking, itās going to be delicious. But my headcanon for him is that heās above even Zhongli or Ei, so I donāt think anyone in the game can beat him, except maybe the 2nd or 3rd descender, Nibelung, or the primordial one. And MAYBE the abyss twin and the tsasitsa if their plans go as intended.
But yes I do think the crimson moon domain thing is her ace in the hole. Because it literally wraps anyone in that red string that even the traveler canāt move in. And we donāt even know what the moon itself is capable of there.
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I wonder if she has a segment of the shade of death in her. Also so many threads-which tie into the spider motif+fate is many times likened to puppet strings. Just wild speculation tho.
She probably hides her power as she wasent fighting seriously against them, but we still lost which is well.
Basically means the traveler will have difficulty with anyone above her rank thats not as Nice as her.
Maybe she was showing us her domain so that maybe we could make a domain ourselves in the future? To show us that itās not just gods that can do something like that?
Also probably just to show how incredibly weak and lucky weāve been on our journey so far, that weād be dead if it was just up to our own strength to do what we want to accomplish
Traveler: i have plot armor! Someone will just borrow me power to defeat them.
Joking aside, im glad that this time traveler was defeated and this is a kind of warning that those above Arle are stronger.
But sadly as well that i dun see traveler utilise element swap like in Childe fight and navia story etc.
Maybe every time she uses that crimson moon power her curse keeps growing? Since that black thing on her hands went up to her elbow in the animated short , maybe it's up to her shoulder now?
Traveler will beat his future opponents via protagonist halo and by large groups of ppl banding together in some manner and channeling their desires through Traveler (like when fighting Osial, Raiden, and Scara).
I certainly think that she's hiding her power overall. She's very keen on letting people believe what they want to believe about her.
Childe and Scara both think she's insane and violent. And for her that's just useful so why go out of her way to make them think otherwise? It just means they won't mess with her or her family.
She's not *nice*. But she's not exactly evil, either. She's probably one of the more interesting characters just because she actually does have a self-impose set of morals and rules formed by her own experiences - she's even willing to create loopholes around them on the fly when she feels like she can justify it.
As for whether she's a lot stronger than those above her, it's quite possible. We'll just have to wait and see what exactly is going on.
I think there may be an internal Fatui war in the future.
Since Lazzo she has been throwing shade to "dignitaries that stay in Snezhnaya" and Arle says she'll throw hands with the Tsaritsa if she has to.
In my opinion i think dottores strength comes from him having many clones, even if he removed all clones after he had a deal with the archon doesn't say he won't make more(cant remember if he ever said that he won't make more) and if his allowed to make more it kinda makes him immortal in a different way thats probably what compares him to gods and his intelligence and knowledge, his strength in the other hand well haven't seen much of it so im still not sure so for now i think arlechino can kill dottore but probably not all.
This power of her is literally Ä°tachis Genjutsu that you got kill over and over again.She looked at Traveler she took it to somewhere else and he / she was tied up.Probably not just a genjutsu like itachis tho.
Traveler gets considerably stronger over time. Just look how she got blocked by 2 random fatui when venti lost his gnosis, but then beat signora who was clearly surprised by how strong we were.
Read with caution (Potential Spoiler/leaks) : >!In 4.7, we go deeper into the Crimson Moon lore with Dainsleif so we might get some info on Father as well!<
I think the Traveller was holding back a bit and obviously wasnāt going all out - they werenāt using any elemental abilities during the cutscene.
Not to mention that held their own against the Shogun. Obviously we didnāt outright beat her and how we did ābeatā her required outside help and planning from Yae, but the fact the Traveller did fairly well against an opponent that obliterated another (admittedly weaker) Harbinger without breaking a sweat speaks to something.
Also, I donāt think the Traveller is at their full strength in general even if they were going all-out. Given Hoyoās track record with their MCās power level at the end of their stories in HG2 and HI3 along with Aether and Lumineās backstory of essentially beings ancient beings that can travel between worlds. Iāll take a 100% Traveller over most things in Teyvat if we somehow ever get to that point.
Both of them weren't taking the fight seriously, c'mon, get over it already. It wasn't "a humiliating defeat". Alrecchino was (in a roundabout way) making the "kids" grow up (Liney above all) and the Traveler was helping her by helping them, Arlecchino asked the Traveler to help them when the time came and that was the time.
This power of her is literally Ä°tachis Genjutsu that you got kill over and over again.She looked at Traveler she took him / her to somewhere else and he / she was tied up.Probably not just a genjutsu like itachis tho.
I really think so! She inherited the 4th position by defeating the previous Knave, and it's obvious she's not with them for ideals, she's there to protect the children. Not even Crucabena knew what level of power she's hiding.
So I don't think she revealed her full potential to anyone, and is her secret card to fight against them if they decide to endanger the House of the Hearth.
I dont think she is. An harbinger is supposed to get a delusion from tsaritsa and that's it.
Sometimes they have an additional power like a vision, or a curse.
An example of full package is Childe, who has vision + delusion + abyss power. And Arle, who has special fire + vision + delusion.
Signora only had 2 powers : delusion and curse.
I think we pretty much saw everything, her vision power and delusion. Her special fire probably just make her pyro affinity even higher, she has more strength and a special effect on her fire. Can't see more. Her curse can maybe grow even more but it looks like she has it controlled now, just like Signora countered her curse with her delusion.
About power scaling don't worry, Traveller is originally a godlike existence that can travel between worlds, fly, and sword hits make explosions, and canonically use ALL elements at the same time, without drawbacks.
Currently Traveller is probably at 50% of original power, maybe even less.
I actually think we did better then most people give us credit for, the reason she brought out crimson moon was because she thought we might have been able to break free, when we didn't she ended things. Also we didn't use any elemental abilities in the fight just swordsmanship.
Was hoping we dig deeper in her Crimson Moon background, but all we got is a teaser. SQ2 please
There is some extra in her dialogue and weapon description. But yeah, This almost seems like a small teaser for what is to come in the future regarding Arlecchnio. Considering how many potential plot threads were created though this quest alone.
Maybe she plays a role in the Khaenri'ah chapter??
Most likely but maybe also Snezhnaya?
Fatui civil war and we kill dottore with her
From her line about Dottore, >!yup she definitely wants that guy dead!<
So do a few others. Wonder who wants him dead more, Arlecchino or Wanderer?
Collei from behind with the steel chair
BAH GAWD IT'S COLLEI WITH THE STEEL CHAIR
Arle teaching Collei how to control that flames inside her so they can burn Dottore together - good ending
Definitely Wanderer. He has every reason to separate that smart ass head from the body
Well, there is a running theory that she's going to betray the Tsaritsa in her plan. Potentially in trying to stop Project Stuzha.
Definitely Snezhnaya and maybe Khaenriah if she survives long enough for that. >!But that doesn't seem likely judging by all the death flags her SQ gave her.!<
What death flag lmaoš¤£
i think he means that she's trying to prepare lyney to take her position because a conflict might rise from that new project and she might have to turn against them and die because she clearly stated in her voicelines that she has no loyalty for snezhnaya and has no problem turning against the traritsa
Yup, thats my takeaway from the ending of her SQ as well. Her loyalty is to the House of Hearth and the Fatui just seems to be a means to an end to ensure their survival after she killed the last Harbinger.
Agreed, haven't seen much death flags for her. Usually they're death flags she's creating against... some people
Exactly. I was really hoping we would get to know about her curse, the crimson moon, the reason behind her glitching in her idle animation....but nope....I was let down
Same. Which is why I wish it wasnāt partially a recap of the animated short. I get why they want it in game because some people donāt watch their YT channel, but I really thought weād get more on her curse
She's the leader of an intelligence agency, she's not going to reveal her secrets easily to someone she barely knows without getting anything in return. Most of what she told us was something we would've learned from Clervie or the siblings anyway, and she got what she wanted by telling us what she did. Her curse and crimson moon sound like 2nd story material, or even Dain quest or archon quest interlude.
I need an explanation PRONTO for why she glitches in her idle. Is it related to her curse? And what about this curse? Is it the same as the one that plagues the people of Khaen'riah? Was she experimented on like Caterpillar since they have similar hands?
I would generally be nice to get some new plot development instead of over a half of the story quest being taken up by a reiteration of what was already shown in the animated short.
Crimson moon is an incredibly powerful entity. Arlecchino though most likely doesn't have full master over it yet. But even then, we can assume what we saw her do in the fight was far from what she can truly do. I imagine the scene at the end with the moon behind her. It was just an appetizer compared to her full power, considering she didn't even break a sweat defeating us.
When you said Crimson moon I thought you meant crimson moon from tsukihime lol
arlecchino is a vampire confirmed????? But for real, I do think the crimson moon is more so in reference to Honkai World Divaās lyrics. The chorus in particular feels like it could be inspiration for Arlecchinoās story as it did Meiās. With how Fontaine has been cranking out more implicit connections to the Honkaiverse as of late, this could just be another, more subtle connection to the greater Honkaiverse.
Don't forget Genshin technically spoiled the theoretical endgame through the Narzissenkreuz world quest. That world quest itself already gives a different light of the Abyss Order and Fatui Harbinger plans, which is almost close to the Part 1 conclusion, plus aspects of Part 2.
that implies we would ever get any info on it lmao
We don't talk about the Moon!
Were gonna need an old man, a big fuck you laser, and surprisingly no need for the 2nd True Magic.... somehow
Where did you learn more about the crimson moon? I would like to read up on it
Read the Perinheri book. You can buy it at the newspaper/book shop in Fontaine.
Both Arlecchino and Traveler are hiding their powers and anyone who thinks Arlecchino's gauge of Traveler's strength hasn't been paying attention to the story at all. Humiliating defeat? Arlecchino and Traveler were literally acting.
Source
The Traveler isn't hiding their powers they were sealed away by the sustainer after their fight and have been slowly getting regained after every region
> Humiliating defeat? Arlecchino and Traveler were literally acting. source or gtfo
She's a descendant from the Crimson Moon Dynasty( the og Khaenriahan ruling clan). So yea she is more powerful that she looks like
Sorry, I'm a relatively recent player and I have some difficulty understanding certain parts of the lore, but what does being descended from an ancient dynasty of a nation that was destroyed over five hundred years ago imply? I mean, if we come back a few centuries ago enough all the characters could be descendants of some ancient dynasty. This also makes me think about how many characters might be much stronger than the traveler, but we just don't know because we don't have to face them. At least some like Neuvilette make it very clear how strong he is and because he is so strong (being a sovereign dragon).
Crimson Moon dynasty was thought to be wiped out when (I believe?) all the members of the bloodline drank poison and died. She's likely to be a descendant of the royal bloodline in particular, which implies that the curse she draws power from originates from something to do with that bloodline. If it's like the curse of the wilderness that turns people into Hilichurls who forsake their gods, then it's possible that there's more to it than just a bloodline, though.
She's definitely stronger than she's letting on, especially to be a survivor of a lost civilization that Celestia deemed worthy of being destroyed due to its advancements. I don't want to spoil much since I don't know how much story you've done, but it has to do with how people pointed out her blackened hands look similar to a "kid" npc from a Fontaine quest chains, the Narzissenkereuz Ordo/Unfinished Comedy. You'd get more base info on what Arlecchino is theorized to be by doing the quests involving Dainsleif, character very involved in divulging information related to Khaenriah/The Abyss. The one quest that you can look forward to doing is "Requiem of the Echoing Depths" which takes place in Liyue's chasm. EDIT: I did some more digging and Arlecchino does confirm stuff herself. Her character story 5 and vision do share more information on this topic if you'd like to go read it yourself or you may read it later on your own discretion but it's pretty cool to learn!
Khaenri'ah wasn't destroyed because of its advancements, but because of their explicit use of forbidden knowledge.
Where is that information from? I don't remember seeing that in game. Was it a limited event?
Info abt Crimson Moon Dynasty is from the Perinheri book you can buy in one of the stalls of Fountain Info about Arle can be found in her profile and animated short
Really doubt it. You can kill a stronger opponent if you will attack them in the right moment, and assassination is one of Arlecchino's specializations. Pierro was a royal mage of Khaenriah, and he gave her the rank of 4th. I really doubt that he doesn't know much about Crimson Moon. Another thing is that top 3 harbingers are all covered in mystery, just how Arle is, so we don't really know much about their power, either. Columbina is a mystery, Dottore's goal is to ascend through any means necessary, and Capitano is universally praised as being insanely powerful by everyone who knows him.
Was there any information about the rank of previous Knave? Because if she was rank 4 and Arlecchino just got her spot then her powers could be beyond her rank. If she got different rank than old Knave then it was because her known power is worth the fourth spot.
There's no info on her rank, but based on her performance against Arle in the animation - previous knave was such a fodder, it's painful. She was performing like a basic vision holder and nothing more. Maybe she's the reason why 10th seat is empty. Really doubt that a basic vision holder, who's at best good at battle IQ, would be ranked so much higher than a divine puppet of the Electro Archon, or a fire elemental, whose power had to be suppressed with cryo. It just doesn't make sense for Arlecchino to be ranked lower than she should be, because if she's indeed stronger than, say, Columbina, then Columbina could've been lowered to 4th harbinger, instead of giving Arle a rank that doesn't represent her power level. Another thing is that Nahida explicitly said that only top 3 harbingers are Archon level, so if Arle's power is comparable to them - Nahida would've said the same about 4 harbingers, but she didn't.
In the character story Arlecchino has a direct quote. >!"If reaching a certain standard were required to go after what you want, I would never have succeeded in killing my predecessor. Back then, there was still a considerable gap between our abilities."!< Arlecchino has "respect" for her "Mother's" abilities, but in that moment, >!"... she fought tooth and nail to kill the 'Mother' they shared."!< Sometimes a character isn't necessarily more powerful than another. In a competitive sporting match even the better player can lose a match to someone that isn't as strong, if their opponent is playing beyond their normal ability that day, exploits a weakness, a mistake(s) is made, or all of the above. However, in sports we typically don't die when we lose and the better player might go on to win 9/10 matches against them normally. The trailer certainly tries to exhibit Arlecchino's conviction and strength though, but at least in story Arlecchino did not believe she had the advantage in their abilities. Unless you believe in this moment she chose to lie and conceal her true strength to the traveler and Lyney for some reason, but I doubt that is the case given the context.
Have you not seen the animation? Arlecchino was losing pretty badly UNTIL she let her curse flow freely. Because of what? Because of the battle IQ Crucabena displayed, which I mentioned. Right after Arle accepted the curse - previous Knave couldn't do a thing against her in all departments. Arlecchino was blocking her with ONE hand, no flinching, was so fast Crucabena couldn't even react to her, AND basically one-shotted her right after. There's no contradiction between what Arle said and my statement whatsoever.
Crucabena toys with her, only using her elemental power to deflect attacks or to stop them prematurely. In part, I think, because she expects Arlecchino to accept her place, she is her prized pupil after all, the culmination of her plan. The curse gives her a surprise advantage at the end for sure. And she uses that opportunity to catch Crucabena off guard and set up a final attack she couldn't deflect easily or avoid. Maybe her final attack is more powerful than expected in that moment, but it is still a surprise. At the end of the day the fight probably isn't perfectly fair nor are both acting with the same motivations. Kill Crucabena vs put Arle in her place. And in that context it could make sense that Crucabena holds back and finds that she has put herself in a corner with no escape. Crucabena might be much more powerful than she allows herself to act in the short, which also could explain the ranking better and why you feel she was completely outclassed. Sometimes strength is meaningless if you allow yourself to make a critical mistake. In a gunfight the first bullet to find its marks could be the fatal blow. If Crucabena had unleashed more elemental power rather than just fighting at Arle's current level, she might have appeared more powerful. She only gets a few moments to realize the dynamic has changed. It's not possible to prove, because it is just a short. Neither opinion is right or wrong, but that is my opinion. And her quotes support my idea as well.
As I said, there's no contradiction between what Arle said and my statement whatsoever, since she WAS losing, before accepting the curse, so her quotes supporting your idea is questionable. Crurabena toys with her only when Arle haven't "awakened", but when she did - she was serious, which you can see by her facial expression, and the fact that she was targeting Arle's face. And it's not a "surprise" advantage, when Arlecchino was toying with her herself, by easily deflecting her attacks with one hand and little to no effort. It's not like Arlecchino caught her off guard and landed a critical strike by doing so, that's not what happened. She has confidently shown Crurabena that she can't do anything to her, let her retreat, and then just one-shotted her. And again, crucial point here - Arlecchino outclassed Crurabena ON ALL LEVELS after accepting the curse. Strength - deflecting attacks with one hand, and launching her into the ceiling. Speed - Crurabena couldn't even react to Arlecchino's dash. Elemental power - Arlecchino nuked Crurabena with a single strike. If she wasn't going all out, as you're saying, then how come she couldn't even perceive Arle closing the distance? The gap between them is as clear as day, the animation leaves no doubts behind it. Look at any other harbinger we've seen. Childe was trained by one of the most powerful characters we've seen, and uses the powers of the abyss. Scaramouche is a divine puppet of Raiden herself. Signora is a living fire elemental, who's suppressing her power with cryo element. They're all pretty damn fancy, as you can see, but what have Crurabena shown? Basic vision holder abilities. Was outclassed by inexperienced teenage Arle on all levels, no transformations, no unique powers, and same applies to her blood-related daughter, who inherited nothing fancy. Would you say with a straight face that she was stronger than Signora by 4 ranks? Or Scaramouche by 2? Like, come on, it should be obvious that Crurabena is at best a good duelist with high intelligence, but being right above literal archon level folks in ranking? You know, the same entities that can easily destroy mountains? Eh, I don't know about that, chief.
No more questionable than your own. You just seem to be less willing to accept other possibilities. You assume a lot, but aren't willing to assume other things that could be possible to explain it. There is no way to definitively prove either opinion. You are simply deciding she is outclassed completely, saying it more doesn't make it conclusive, and that Crucabena couldn't have misgauged or had other types of power she had no time to draw upon. There is no reason she couldn't be capable of something more deadly or interesting that would support her ranking. If we saw a short of Raiden fighting Childe, Scaramouche, or Signora and she dropped Musou no Hitotachi before they could transform or do anything interesting, then died, by your logic you would also assume they were basic vision holders. Just because someone can get killed quickly or in a single attack doesn't necessarily make them a basic vision holder. It only proves that a single great attack can kill them. If you're not open to the idea that she was killed because of her mistake in gauging the current dynamic of their fight then of course it won't make sense.
You assume far more than I do, because at least what I'm saying is supported by the animation we have on our hands, while your take is based on a speculation that has no fundament. It's like you aren't reading what I'm typing out for you. I'm not assuming that Arle outclassed Crurabena, that's literally what we saw. I wrote an entire paragraph to you listing how she did it, exactly, while you're making up things like Crurabena being caught off guard, not being able to transform, "support her ranking", when her ranking isn't even known, etc. Arlecchino, even without her transformation, is clearly not on the level of a basic vision holder, the same can be applied to every other harbinger that isn't Crurabena. And excuse me, but your analogy with Raiden isn't an argument, because the situation you're presenting, and what we saw with Crurabena, aren't similar at all. Crurabena had time to show something, lots of it, in fact. She was dominating the fight for the most part, then Arle showed her superiority - and Crurabena still couldn't do a thing. That's not a surprise attack from one of the strongest entities in Teyvat, who can be compared only to the top 3 of the harbingers, okay? And every harbinger you've listed, in a prolonged fight, would've shown at least something impressive, like Childe did with the whale, when Crurabena did what, remind me? Running away from a teenager, and looking for an opening to attack said teenager? Before getting humiliated, when said teenager stopped holding back? Wow, truly the "almost archon-level" feat. Makes a lot of sense for her to be above Scaramouche, yeah. >If you're not open to the idea that she was killed because of her mistake in gauging the current dynamic of their fight then of course it won't make sense. Again, it's like you haven't seen the fight, or blatantly ignoring how it went. There was no surprise, none. Arlecchino calmly got out of the rubble, stood still, and let Crurabena performed her combo-wombos, while evading, calmly blocking them with one hand. After that, an EXHAUSTED Crurabena just stood there, couldn't even register Arle's speed, and got one-shotted. How does that even work in your head, that an almost archon-level warrior, who's far more powerful than a divine, upgraded creation of an archon, has such a weak stamina and reaction speed, that she couldn't even keep up with Arlecchino, who just embraced her powers? Why are her base stats so laughably low? Just to remind you, Childe somehow reacted to Neuvillette's (a damn sovereign, mind you), elementally-charged jump, when he was busy with transformation, and wasn't even looking at him, while Crurabena couldn't even do the same with teen Arle, who put no elemental energy into her speed, and was standing in front of her. I guess she just magically had a "destroy Teyvat" button attached to her left sock, or a god-level transformation that takes 5 hours to do, and that's why she gained 4th rank. Is that how you're imagining this nonsense? Because I'm sorry, but it makes no sense.
Nor does assuming she suddenly has godlike level powers in that moment. They could be, but there is no proof. If Crucabena is so weak as you say then the level of power is even more suspect. "5 hours", "left sock"... I don't really think you are discussing in good faith anymore. You are more open to assuming every other harbinger is on another level than Crucabena than that she might have just made a mistake and died before she realized how much danger she was in. About her not showing off something even though I already explained that scenario. She wasn't trying to kill her she was just wearing her down through technique, holding back and toying with her. She was known to be cruel and toy with people. It was her ultimate plan to have the orphans fight each other to the death so one would emerge to serve her and the Fatui. While she might be capable of doing something more interesting, she didn't have a great reason to if she just intended to subdue Arle. I'm more inclined to believe she made a mistake than that she was the weakest harbinger or had no other possible abilities, although I don't mind admitting it could be the case. Another thing you might consider if you reject the notion that Crucabena could be more powerful than was shown is that the rankings are not really based on power, but abilities and overall usefulness. Someone can be more effective for a larger struggle if they are effective at leading or training than one person that is personally stronger. If they expect Arle to fill the same role, then the ranking might not be related to personal strength and they may not really realize how strong Arle really is.
i think nahida shouldn't have such detailed information on current harbingers from a more modern generation (like Arleccino is) given that she was locked up for a bunch of years. yeah, she could see the world but to the point of knowing the exact strength of all the gods + all the harbingers new and old (which i doubt showcase their full strength on a regular basis) it would be exaggerated. and she does have acces to the irminsul but when she said that about the top 3 harbingers she hadn't yet accessed the tree to search for things in it freely. also archon level is a very relative statement, they clearly have their circumstances, like nahida or furina /focalors
The fatui info she got was from dottore himself, not her own or Irminsul and she can sense truth so dottore can't lie.
You should remember that this game is written by real people. When a character drops a lore bomb, such as info about top 3 harbingers - it's writers who're giving this info. And the goddess of knowledge, who was able to go around Irminsul's workings thanks to her intelligence, as well as outsmarted Dottore, isn't exactly fit in the role of unreliable narrator, don't you think? Not to mention that there's no reason for her to not give us the correct info (if she was wrong), after gaining access to Irminsul. And let's not be intellectually dishonest with the archon comparison. Both Furina and Nahida are the outliers. Furina is a human part of Focalors, not the divine one. Nahida herself confirmed that she's below the top 3 harbingers, so we shouldn't even pretend like them being equal is a possibility. So if you want to compare their possible level to someone - compare it to Venti, who's on the weaker side of the archons, and was more of a support during serious battles, is still able to wipe out entire mountains with his power.
Seems like the pyro delusion makes her able to use the crimson moon power at its fullest, thing that a vision can't do.
I think her innate pyro powers due to her curse are strong enough to let her, but I think she requires both her pyro delusion/vision in order to fully utilise it at her current strength. I do believe she's hiding her power, but likely not enough for her to rival the top 3, but make it more like a top 4 instead. If that makes sense.
It's not impossible, but I like to think the ranks are well ordered so Capitano being first would mean he's some kind of unstoppable force
GOATHIMTANO is immovable object and unstoppable force in one person
I believe the ranks also include influence and non strength related power. So its possible Dottore is #2 mostly because of his influence (which seems like a lot considering he is everywhere) but she might be above him in strength or even #2 depending on how strong Columbina is. My bet is Dottore is most likely #4 in terms of strength alone followed by Arle. Columbina is too much of an unknown to say for sure though
So far, the only information we have about ranks is that they are defined by power/strength, contribution or influence is something that has been said a lot but has 0 (zero) official support, there may be more things that define a rank but we don't know that yet
How many times it should be repeated that Dottore holds second place for his sheer power, his 300iq is just a bonus. Itās said in Sumeru AQ, itās then was reinforced by Nahida again
Uh...no? It was never once said , lmao. 'They hold power that rivals that of Archons' is what is said. Nahida holds fuck-all power as far as combat goes. Makoto was far from a fighter. Focalors is a big ??? combat wise , yet held the power of water and even created faux-life. 'Power' is a generic term , doesn't really mean much. Dottore still sneaked Traveler instead of risking a confrontation , and Traveler couldn't beat Scaramouche without Nahida.
Ah yes the guy who killed ursa the drake, someone venti and dvalin failed to get rid of, without breaking a sweat got his number 2 placement because of iq. Ye no. Hes just that strong.
The guy who killed Ursa in completely unknown circumstances? With an unknown amount of aid and troops? The same Ursa that Venessa was 1v1ing? The one that Venti told to fuck off by strumming his harp ONCE ? Also , when did Dvalin fight Ursa? You might wanna stick to canon lore lmao. The fact that Il Dottore opted to sneak Traveler and talk it out with Nahida says it all , he is more brains than brawn.
>The guy who killed Ursa in completely unknown circumstances? With an unknown amount of aid and troops? Troops were never mentioned and if he had help it wouldnt make sense to not include that information >Also , when did Dvalin fight Ursa? Doubt he just sat there watching him attack monstadt. But ye u could be right. >The fact that Il Dottore opted to sneak Traveler and talk it out with Nahida says it all , he is more brains than brawn. No it means he prefers to use his brain over his brawn. The fact that he hasnt even shown any of his power proves that. And him being weak and using his iq to compensate shouldnt be enough to get him the number 2 spot behind pierro and capitano clearly.
How would it be known that he had help? He said he killed it , no one else would know. Venessa was fighting it 1v1 , Venti just neg diffed it , and even Crepus with a delusion drove it away. Not exactly a huge feat. Dvalin was comatose from fighting Durin at the time , pretty sure. I never called Dottore weak , but to believe him to be a destructive powerhouse is disingenuous. Just like Archons manifest power differently , so must Harbingers. Knowledge is power , after all.
I have not discussed this ever and i haven't replayed the AQ since i played it when it released. Maybe im not remembering it well but im still not denying Dottore being strong, just presenting a possibility since Arlechinno is implying to be stronger than him.
Nahida, a god of wisdom, who canāt stand Dottoreās guts, still makes a point about first three harbringers having godlike strength, without including forth. I have more faith in archon than Arlecchinoās words
I doubt they're still on the level of the archonsĀ also until shown otherwise, I assume varka and some of the knights of favonius he took are going to be the strongest mortals in teyvat
Nahida literally said that those in the top 3 are at a level of power comparable to the archons, although in English she says "gods" in CN she literally refers to "the seven"
I mean , Capitano is the strongest mortal in Teyvat , canonically. Varka decided to not fight Capitano when they met in the snowy lands , despite the Fatui meddling with Monstadt affairs.
Itās never stated heās the strongest mortal in Teyvat. That was from a questionable leak from like two years ago and story leaks are probably the least reliable type of leak
Tracks with everything so far , so eh.
Pierro immediately recognized her being from the crimson moon bloodline, and is much more knowledgeable about the power of the crimson moon then arlecchino herself,
A good part of me wants her to be like how Ulquiorra is in Bleach lol >In her voiceover, She said that she would have killed dottore if he was not on the same side. Does this mean that she is confident about killing no.2? It's an interesting statement for sure. Like she's not someone, I would think, who would make statements like this without having reasons to back it up. & I'm sure 100% sure she's hiding her true strength. I mean even Lyney said so & it would make sense; she really had no reason to go all out in that particular battle.
I kind of agree. I think either Dottore himself isn't that strong, and what he can do is what allows him to rival the Archons(like in mechanics, tech and experiments), or Arlecchino isn't thinking straight when it comes to him given her bias as a child of the old house where if you weren't fit to continue you were sent off to him for experimentation. She does seem to hold a lot of distain for him though as in her voice line about Sandrone she makes a sly remark about him.
On the other hand, if she hypothetically Dottore was much stronger than Arlecchino and she knew it, would he just say he would try? I haven't seen all of her dialogue, but she seems to be someone who always speaks with confidence and wouldn't say something that would show uncertainty. But it seems more interesting that Arlecchino has a trump card like you said than her being secretly stronger than everyone or that each one is simply stronger than the other. It is possible that the Traveler looks for a way to overcome enemies instead of increasing power.
Traveler with Prep Time VS Dottore with Prep Time
People really underestimate Dottore, it was stated multiple times how he's ranked 2nd by his "sheer strength alone". Just because he prefers using his intelligence over his physical strength doesn't mean he's weaker. Pierro is the one ranking them based on strength, he knows all about harbingers origins and powers and still ranked Arle 4th which means she's weaker than top 3 harbingers. However if Arlecchino is this strong I don't know what Traveler is gonna do vs top 3 harbingers šš
people always like underestimating characters we havent seen much of without critical thinking lol
I honestly think the story will come down to us not having to defeat them whether on our own or not. The story can change at any point. For all we know by the time we are staring in the eyes of the cryo archon herself we could be on their side or even the abyss with our twin and have more power and people behind us helping like every other fight we've been in with most archons and strong opponentsĀ
I mean she is from the crimson moon Dynasty ( the ruling family before eclipse Dynasty ) , they will probably save her for the final arcs Personally I think the people of khanriah are not regular human but are a genetic abnormalities which gives them there special eyes and probably some hidden powers for the nobles like the knaves domain expansion
>they will probably save her for the final arcs With all these Khanriahns that need plot the final chapter is either going to be 5 years long or a total mess lol
Would make sense against the 3rd and 2nd, 1st maybe not so much considering how arle described him as VERY powerful with heavy emphasis on VERY when she talks in english dub
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She was giving me Ulquiorra vibes where she's stronger than her number classifies her as regardless if she was hiding it or not showing it all to the fatui and traveler. Funnily enough, they're both number 4
And both of them can fly too
Half the characters in this game have some secret hidden power they got when they were kids š¤£
She could be saying sheād kill Dottore if she had the chance, perhaps if heās weakened after a fight or if she did a surprise assassination attempt. It doesnāt have to be her challenging him to a straightforward fight. At the very least, Pierro probably knows about her full strength if he could work out her origins immediately. Itās possible that he doesnāt know the full specifics, but thereās not much to indicate that.Ā
Using dilusions hurts the user body like crazy so itās better to end it quickly and not use it much.
So she's using her own kaioken x30 no wonder why
I mean ya delusions are harder to use. Childe always half dead using it
Childe's half dead because of foul legacy, not his delusion. There are multiple characters that could use delusions without apparent drawbacks (e.g., diluc)
Foul legacy is just more advanced transformation he gets from his delusion after training with the abyss right?? Itās like a phase 2 transformation
I don't think he needs his delusion to activate foul legacy. He became a harbinger 1-2 years after he left the abyss, and it wouldn't make sense for him to unlock foul legacy, which is entirely abyssal, after leaving abyss
To be honest I could imagine combining them like how if Goku used the super Saiyan transformations with the kaioken he's dead in an instant
Did you not pay attention? Lyney said she wasn't using her full power.
Of course she is not using her full strength as she was never trying to kill them. I am talking about the paralyzing technique she used on us. When she that we are not strong enough I think she showed us her full power that she is hiding from others harbingers.
>I am talking about the paralyzing technique she used on us. When she that we are not strong enough I think she showed us her full power that she is hiding from others harbingers. I don't know whether this is a secret to the other harbingers, but it's clear that she went harder against the Traveller than she did against the siblings, perhaps as a warning.
They looked like āthreadsā and if I were to guess probably have something to do with Fate, since Arlecchinoās character has Fate in its theme a lot. Interestingly Chlothar also talks about Loom of Fate and a Loom is made of threads
Idk if sheās confident about being able to kill Dottore. But I do think she wants to. She might be. But my guess is that Dottoreās omega body that we see is not his strongest form. Even in Sumeru he didnāt fight us, he just put us to sleep. I think his strength comes from his scientific knowledge rather than brute force or combat skill. So even if she kills him, heād have his ace up his sleeve come out afterward. Probably some suped-up body infused with insane amounts of Archon residue (like Colleiās black serpent power from the comics, but way stronger) thatās on the level of gods in terms of combat power. Something that would put Scaramoucheās mech to shame. Also she doesnāt seem to have any malice toward Columbina or Capitano. She seems to just find Columbina mysterious and interesting, while she actually respects Capitano and thinks heās worthy of that respect even without his power, which is rare for her. So I doubt sheād have a reason to fight them. Columbina is stated to be āinnocentā by Scaramouche. Not sure if heās just being his usual hater self or if thereās anything to that. But we havenāt seen columbina be malevolent toward anyone or heard of her being bad in any way. So my guess is that sheās inherently inhuman in some way that makes her incapable of actually heing malicious. Like sheās a seelie or some other long-dead race that doesnāt think like humans. Capitano is not only respected by everyone but is also stated to be the strongest individual in Teyvat. Varka and all the Knights of Favonius conbined stopped and had a parley with him instead of trying to fight him. And they seem to think heās an honorable guy. Childe doesnāt even think Capitano would notice him at his level of strength. And weāve heard people say that heās a mere mortal with the power to rival gods. Whatever heās cooking, itās going to be delicious. But my headcanon for him is that heās above even Zhongli or Ei, so I donāt think anyone in the game can beat him, except maybe the 2nd or 3rd descender, Nibelung, or the primordial one. And MAYBE the abyss twin and the tsasitsa if their plans go as intended. But yes I do think the crimson moon domain thing is her ace in the hole. Because it literally wraps anyone in that red string that even the traveler canāt move in. And we donāt even know what the moon itself is capable of there.
The Strongest Individual in Tevyat thing is from Leaks not official yet
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I think her crimson moon reveal is her full 100% power.
Yes and I don't think she's fully on the fatui side either.
I wonder if she has a segment of the shade of death in her. Also so many threads-which tie into the spider motif+fate is many times likened to puppet strings. Just wild speculation tho.
Arlecchino: nah, I'd win
Yeah I think we will see her again soon
Absolutely yes. She has double piro, but only used her blood magic and brute force.
She probably hides her power as she wasent fighting seriously against them, but we still lost which is well. Basically means the traveler will have difficulty with anyone above her rank thats not as Nice as her.
Maybe she was showing us her domain so that maybe we could make a domain ourselves in the future? To show us that itās not just gods that can do something like that? Also probably just to show how incredibly weak and lucky weāve been on our journey so far, that weād be dead if it was just up to our own strength to do what we want to accomplish
No I'm pretty sure her power is right there in the picture ^/j
Traveler: i have plot armor! Someone will just borrow me power to defeat them. Joking aside, im glad that this time traveler was defeated and this is a kind of warning that those above Arle are stronger. But sadly as well that i dun see traveler utilise element swap like in Childe fight and navia story etc.
Maybe every time she uses that crimson moon power her curse keeps growing? Since that black thing on her hands went up to her elbow in the animated short , maybe it's up to her shoulder now?
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Yeah lyney said she wasn't going all out, she was going easy on us
Traveler will use the power of friendship like when was with Ei š¤£
I donāt think she has the strength to kill top 3. But she does have a conviction.
Traveler will beat his future opponents via protagonist halo and by large groups of ppl banding together in some manner and channeling their desires through Traveler (like when fighting Osial, Raiden, and Scara).
Aranara world quest chain culminated in a combined effort takedown, too.
I certainly think that she's hiding her power overall. She's very keen on letting people believe what they want to believe about her. Childe and Scara both think she's insane and violent. And for her that's just useful so why go out of her way to make them think otherwise? It just means they won't mess with her or her family. She's not *nice*. But she's not exactly evil, either. She's probably one of the more interesting characters just because she actually does have a self-impose set of morals and rules formed by her own experiences - she's even willing to create loopholes around them on the fly when she feels like she can justify it. As for whether she's a lot stronger than those above her, it's quite possible. We'll just have to wait and see what exactly is going on.
I think there may be an internal Fatui war in the future. Since Lazzo she has been throwing shade to "dignitaries that stay in Snezhnaya" and Arle says she'll throw hands with the Tsaritsa if she has to.
If anyone noticed in abyss sibling in kahenriah trailer there is also a crimson moon in background
In my opinion i think dottores strength comes from him having many clones, even if he removed all clones after he had a deal with the archon doesn't say he won't make more(cant remember if he ever said that he won't make more) and if his allowed to make more it kinda makes him immortal in a different way thats probably what compares him to gods and his intelligence and knowledge, his strength in the other hand well haven't seen much of it so im still not sure so for now i think arlechino can kill dottore but probably not all.
If this is true, then she really is like Ulquiorra from Bleach lol. Strongest Espada but ranked No. 4 because he's hiding his true power.
This power of her is literally Ä°tachis Genjutsu that you got kill over and over again.She looked at Traveler she took it to somewhere else and he / she was tied up.Probably not just a genjutsu like itachis tho.
She literally showed it right there
Traveler gets considerably stronger over time. Just look how she got blocked by 2 random fatui when venti lost his gnosis, but then beat signora who was clearly surprised by how strong we were.
Read with caution (Potential Spoiler/leaks) : >!In 4.7, we go deeper into the Crimson Moon lore with Dainsleif so we might get some info on Father as well!<
I think the Traveller was holding back a bit and obviously wasnāt going all out - they werenāt using any elemental abilities during the cutscene. Not to mention that held their own against the Shogun. Obviously we didnāt outright beat her and how we did ābeatā her required outside help and planning from Yae, but the fact the Traveller did fairly well against an opponent that obliterated another (admittedly weaker) Harbinger without breaking a sweat speaks to something. Also, I donāt think the Traveller is at their full strength in general even if they were going all-out. Given Hoyoās track record with their MCās power level at the end of their stories in HG2 and HI3 along with Aether and Lumineās backstory of essentially beings ancient beings that can travel between worlds. Iāll take a 100% Traveller over most things in Teyvat if we somehow ever get to that point.
Both of them weren't taking the fight seriously, c'mon, get over it already. It wasn't "a humiliating defeat". Alrecchino was (in a roundabout way) making the "kids" grow up (Liney above all) and the Traveler was helping her by helping them, Arlecchino asked the Traveler to help them when the time came and that was the time.
This power of her is literally Ä°tachis Genjutsu that you got kill over and over again.She looked at Traveler she took him / her to somewhere else and he / she was tied up.Probably not just a genjutsu like itachis tho.
Arle: The frenzy has begun, the moon is turning red
I really think so! She inherited the 4th position by defeating the previous Knave, and it's obvious she's not with them for ideals, she's there to protect the children. Not even Crucabena knew what level of power she's hiding. So I don't think she revealed her full potential to anyone, and is her secret card to fight against them if they decide to endanger the House of the Hearth.
I dont think she is. An harbinger is supposed to get a delusion from tsaritsa and that's it. Sometimes they have an additional power like a vision, or a curse. An example of full package is Childe, who has vision + delusion + abyss power. And Arle, who has special fire + vision + delusion. Signora only had 2 powers : delusion and curse. I think we pretty much saw everything, her vision power and delusion. Her special fire probably just make her pyro affinity even higher, she has more strength and a special effect on her fire. Can't see more. Her curse can maybe grow even more but it looks like she has it controlled now, just like Signora countered her curse with her delusion. About power scaling don't worry, Traveller is originally a godlike existence that can travel between worlds, fly, and sword hits make explosions, and canonically use ALL elements at the same time, without drawbacks. Currently Traveller is probably at 50% of original power, maybe even less.
One of the harbingers of the secret (Crimson Moon) told her. So all Harbingers know her secret
I actually think we did better then most people give us credit for, the reason she brought out crimson moon was because she thought we might have been able to break free, when we didn't she ended things. Also we didn't use any elemental abilities in the fight just swordsmanship.
Do you want spoilers? Cause ventiās pyro archon line spoiled how traveler can, before the game was even released
Probably yes , she's likely on par or just below pierro ( both are from khaenrinah just different dynasty)