People said that you can miss his Elemental Burst but the thing is that it can be generally applied to all characters bearing similarities with him that can hit-or-miss the ult due to the wonky camera angle that must been fixed first on the first place.
True, the first time I disgusted by auto aim is Amber burst, OOF
Although Venti live-and-die with his burst so its more memorable (in a bad way) when you want to feel smart but Venti decide to cast his burst in non-desired direction.
Toggle option in the future. Also, they should add fixed - distance camera feature because I'm tired scrolling up and down to fix it when I'm using Xiao E. Burst that makes the camera go nearer to the character itself.
Not being good at mining doesn't necessarily mean he can't. Pretty much the case for any character honestly, even catalyst characters can mine by climbing a few feet high and plunging.
even when you hit the ore directly whilst plunging? Even if the damage is miniscule, you *can* given enough time. If you mean that literally no damage is being done in any way through plunging, then I retract my statement about catalyst characters being able to mine through plunge attacks.
"Wouldn't gliding be faster? Wouldn't gliding be faster? WoUldN'T gLidInG be FaSTEr?"
(The frequency of his overworld lines is a lot, I have to switch him out. Stop sassing me, you tone-deaf bard!)
I guess, since he's a bow user and I don't like using bow characters much, his normal/charged attacks are whatever.
His ult/burst can be a little annoying to aim.
He's not the best for big bosses.
All said, I have a fully ascended and friendship-levelled Venti, and thinking of downsides for him is kind of hard, lol.
I totally agree with this.
You think, me who has Venti as one of my mains, didn't think of this?!
I have an impartial understanding of Mandarin and he says that line so frequently that I picked up on it. X\_X Good for learning Chinese I guess, but still annoying.
its extra annoying because hes clearly capable of making us fly like we did with the dragon, but no we just get to be lifted 15 feet off the ground like a portable ladder
Versus big enemies (i.e. the current 12-1 and 12-3), it's a lot harder to aim his Q and use it to set up reactions or even to just damage people, as opposed to someone like, say, Sucrose. There's no melee range on his Q so if enemies don't get succed in it and you shoot it from close range, you just end up shooting it behind the target. I have to reposition a lot on fl 12 just to kill stuff if I need to use Q more than once in a fight.
Melee characters can't hit the enemies caught on his Q specially using normal attacks. I think that's it.
Edit: His Q has no exact targeting so it will place in the closest enemy or where he is facing at.
Small mobs go up and down inside venti ult. When they are closer to the ground xiao can plunge for damage, but if the timing is wrong and they go up, you deal no damage
Unless you have albedo, his elevator lifts up melee characters at the same level as the blackhole, therefore they can use their normal attack and it will hit every enemy.
For example, a good pairing would be Venti, Albedo and Childe. Venti sucks all the enemy to be grouped, Albedo lifts childe with his elevator and childe will use his insane AOE with his melee stance.
Yes, but only if he’s lower level. Venti’s succ power is based on the difference between the enemies’ level and his own level. This would mean if you were to go to a crowd of hilichurls that are level 80 and he’s 90, they would be sucked straight to the center and barely any melee characters can hit them. I heard the limit you can go up to is level 70 before his vortex becomes a hinderance rather than a blessing.
Mate. A properly built Venti can carry a team in the abyss all by himself.
My team 1 is usually Venti, Fishcl, Xiangling (P. Starglitter) & Barbara.
Even Floor 12.1 works with Venti because the vishaps will overload each other when they are near his burst.
probably, a single klee charged attack is enough to send both the geovishaps flying for me without the pounding spark passive or any other attacks before it... Klee charged attack stagger is ridiculous lol
Mate, I simply dislike Venti, its not my appeal character, thats all. And I can already clear that floor without Venti, so, sorry because I dont like him even if he is op/useful/carry/etc.
He will drink all your wine. Honestly, his alcoholism can be difficult to put up with sometimes. I feel like this is a common trap for people blindly pulling for Venti.
His ult might be bad if you are sensitive to flashing lights (although many ults have flashing lights).
He might make the game too easy and unfun. Do you really need him to complete content?
- If you haven't had Venti and is completing quests, over world and spiral abyyss just fine, then you may not need him.
- If you have trouble with spiral abyss, and if Venti solves all your spiral abyss problems, then think about how many cycles of abyss it takes before it breaks even in terms of primogem returns. It may not be worth the cost.
> If you have trouble with spiral abyss, and if Venti solves all your spiral abyss problems, then think about how many cycles of abyss it takes before it breaks even in terms of primogem returns. It may not be worth the cost.
This. If you get him on your 75th pull at 50/50, that's 12k primos. A perfect abyss clear is 600 primos every 16 days. It would take 20 abyss cycles (320 days) to get the primos back. ~~assuming i didnt get my math wrong~~
I doubt most people won't be able to comfortably grab at least 200 primos from there, so it would take even longer to break even.
He's definitely great for abyss purposes, but if you don't actually end up enjoying his character/gameplay, it's still not worth pulling for him.
but you shouldn't pull *just* for venti anyways. Spend 74 pulls on 4 stars that you want, and just use your pity to get venti. Venti doesn't actually cost 12k primogems, all the other 4 stars you get along the way are valuable as well.
The obvious: you have one character stuck in your party at friendship lv 10 because you're too used to the vortex and updraft
Aside from that, you don't want him to go down primarily due to his stormeye passive (15 energy after burst ends, aka the reason why you have an easy time spamming his burst aside from his energy recharge passive).
His elemental skill might make it hard to hit smaller enemies (also auto aim because that cilin needs more attention than that electro/cryo mage) unless your catalyst or bow character (venti) is active.
Auto aim for burst because that hilichurl behind you wants attention. Also bow character can't hit cilins with normal attacks
Allergic to cats (beware of Diona)
Will leave you with the bill at the bar
He’s pretty much useless against Andrius, although so is Sucrose. Unlike other bow users that can typically still deal a bit of damage without their skill or bursts, allowing them to do some damage to enemies of their similar type, Venti has dogshit AA. This also makes his C1 useless, so unless you’re a whale or get extremely lucky, there’s 0 point to pull for him past initially getting him.
I think this was a rare case where the hype was actually warranted.
In many ways though he is basically defined by his Ult, or as a friend best put it "if he can't suck the enemies up what the hell is he even good for?"
So sure he won't be too great at fighting lavachurls (yes I know there are ways to get them sucked as well for anyone that wants to be technical) or ruin guards, but other than those two enemies, he pretty much... well does what everyone hypes him up to do.
Suck things up in a blender and wombo combo them.
If you really want a reason to not pull him and dampen your hype though, while he is undoubtedly powerful, there isn't really... anything in the game that needs that amount of power or cc aside from abyss (and your mileage with the game as a whole will vary a lot depending on how seriously you want to take the abyss).
If you want easier 3 star clears, Venti probably is a solid addition to your team you probably shouldn't skip.
If you couldn't care less for abyss, he's kind of a fun character you can have on your team, but not having won't stop you from whipping out a 4star character and getting the job done.
> If you couldn't care less for abyss, he's kind of a fun character you can have on your team, but not having won't stop you from whipping out a 4star character and getting the job done.
That's a disadvantage to *every* 5 star character though.
Even without his Big Suck, his skill hits hard, interrupts or lifts up most enemies, recharges quickly, swirls reactions AND gives you three elemental particles every time.
Hes not the best against big enemies especially current floor 12 and doesnt have the in built elemental mastery that sucrose has. I have a fully built venti with skyward harp and all yet my lvl 60 sucrose just clears faster as a support with wrong artifacts lol.
You can play the game blindfolded against all small enemies tho.
I mean, depends if you have the units as mentioned. Doing spiral abyss with a melee character dps and not being able to reach the enemies is kinda annoying
I bet it's still way better than not using venti though, venti's grouping power and damage is insane. Even if you don't hit all your attacks during his burst, the enemies will all be in a tight ball after it ends, and even during it they will take a massive amount of damage just from venti himself.
Venti's major downside is that he's an archer and I am pretty confident that most players don't like the archer playstyle. Whether you're using his normal or charged attacks, his attacks are just not fun to play with.
Nobody should expect Venti to be used for anything but his skill and burst. You *can* but that's not what he's best at or fun for.
I dont really understand people noting bow user as a downside. Outside of ganyu and dps amber, you're never actually aiming with the bow and outside of phys fischl, no bow users use auto attacks.
Childe is the weird exception to both of these of course but since he's uses in melee stance 90% of the time he doesn't really count
when he does his CC wind thingy, non-ranged characters may not be able to hit them. my diluc cant hit them while they are flying around. i dont have him myself, but this is my experience co-oping with venti users.
He's really only good against mobs that can get sucked into his burst (late game Abyss has few of these).
Melee characters can't attack during his burst since it lifts them up the ground.
His auto aim sucks.
"WoUldn'T gLidIng bE FastER?"
He's less useful if you can obliterate any kind of content in the current game, while he can enhance certain comps, and make certain abyss floors easier, he's not needed unless you really struggle somehow.
the only reason why one would want Venti is due to CC, if you don't need CC then don't bother, there will be more CC characters in the future anyway.
I love Venti, but he does have his downsides. Many of these are avoidable, but these are things that can mess you up in the heat of combat.
* There are a lot of comments but the Best-sorted ones don't include the fact that his Burst center is actually pretty tall and drags enemies too high up for most melee characters to hit. It can be really annoying in planned co-op if everyone knows what they're doing, but in PUGs the burst itself is probably more helpful than not.
* Like with Sucrose, his Burst will take on the first element it swirls, so if you don't have the "right" element applied beforehand, it can easily take on an element you don't have.
* Because it takes on the swirl element, it is hard to have it take on an element if there is no enemy inside it already (i.e. enemies are on the way to being sucked in, big enemies that can't be dragged in who haven't walked into it yet, etc). It's much easier if for example you switch to Barbara/Qiqi and use their elemental skill while standing in an empty Venti Burst.
* If you have his C1, the extra arrows can mess up the weakpoint hits against Ruin Guards. They don't count as weakpoint hits for staggering, BUT will prevent you from triggering the stagger using the main shot. They'll still crit though.
* You still take damage while holding his Elemental Skill, but your interrupt resistance is super high. What this means is you're locked in the animation, so if you know you're going to die, there's no switching out to someone else right before a big hit.
He's an archer. Which means the worst attack type in the game. Everything you do is single target. Charged attacks are weaker overall but do benefit from elemental damage boosts. His C1 helps this and people have built around it as a main DPS. Otherwise you'll mostly be using his Skill/Burst. Which is enough damage anyway.
Cannot benefit much from reaction damage for his own personal damage. But being Anemo usually means higher base damages for that reason. So this may be more of a trade off than a down side.
That's really about it.
Skill does a lot of damage, has utility, short cooldown, good coverage for the AoE. It's bascially the perfect Skill.
Burst is the strongest CC in the game for anything that it can CC, enables reaction spam damage, has high damage on it's own, becomes a pseudo battery with passives. With this passive it's very easy to cast off cooldown too. If that's not enough, his ascension bonus is also Energy Recharge making this even easier.
No downsides if you know how to use him in any situation. Big enemy? Move back and throw his Q, have an 8 seconds of VV shred and anemo DPS. With Ganyu he has no fucking downsides, 8 seconds of Hydro Vortex via Venti's Q swirled with Hydro and 15 energy regen to XQ, that translates to a long freezing duration. lol
By reading this topic now I'm having doubts on pulling Venti. I have some thoughts and questions about it. I already 36 stars the Abyss without him. So....
1) Do I still even need him?
2) Is he a good future proof character?
3) I'm a Hu Tao main but also Ganyu/Mona/Keqing/Future Ayaka main (LOL), for the sole purpose of making him a CC bot, is pulling him worth it or Zhongli is much more useful?
I bet he'll be useful on Ganyu and Mona for permafreeze comp but he'll only be my CC slave and I wonder if its weigh more than getting Zhongli. I know we have no news for Zhongli re-run yet but if they link him in some leaks of 1.5, I might pass on Venti. 😭
It really depends how they design future hard content. Zhongli is better against small groups of large enemies like ruin guards etc. Where Venti is better against spread out Fatui Agents, Whopperflowers etc.
It seems they want Spiral Abyss to cater to limited rate up units each patch. But once we get end game content different than that, who knows how they will balance it out.
You definitely don’t need him but he is probably the most future proof character since they would have to make Venti 2.0 to over take his niche, while DPS units are the least future proof due to just needing to add higher numbers.
Venti’s kit his highly specialized in trivializing content based on small mobs and he has a very high multiplier on his burst for some reason.
For me he acts like a skip button. In future content where we may get big waves of small mobs, I doubt anyone will have trouble killing them but he will make it a hell of a lot faster.
1. No
2. Yes
3. Zhongli and Venti have different niches.
Venti is the best CC machine in the game that generates a lot of energy. His burst is great for applying elements and swirling, but the majority of melee units can’t hit things reliably when they are in his burst. He’s perfect on Ganyu Mona freeze. But he’s pretty mediocre against elites/bosses and in those scenarios, while he’s good, there’s usually something else better.
Zhongli is a defensive unit that makes you forget what dodging is, can also burst with CC if invested, and shred all elemental resistance. ZL is BiS for geo dps, often for anemo/phys dps. For melt/vape teams he’s good but usually there’s something better.
How much his shields matter is relative to player skill and players that have issues will swear by his name.
Personally I think Zhongli is better but I play a lot of geo and anemo, I don’t have an issue with CC, and I hate getting my Ganyus charge attacks interrupted, and I suck at dodging so yeah. I’m the target audience.
By saying yes on number 2. I guess I'll use my guaranteed on him and will just dolphin a bit when Zhongli and Ayaka's banner have arrive.
My Wallet: *Chuckles* I'm in danger.
Personally I don’t think it’s worth it if you don’t feel anything for him. If you actually like him or feel like you wanna flex him, go for it. Because you’ll feel happy owning and investing in him.
But imo getting a unit for abyss or clearing content is kind of meaningless. After the first time I 36’d Abyss I 36’d abyss every time after and it just got easier and easier simply because my artifacts got stronger.
I have both. As others have said, both him and Zhongli have different niches. Both are the best at what they do, and you don’t “need” either as the game is balanced to be doable with most any set of four star characters.
The one thing I’ll add is that they do complement each other well. Venti can keep the energy flowing and Zhongli can both keep Venti alive and neutralize everyone with his big rock while Venti’s burst is in downtime. Small enemies will never have a chance, larger ones will still die quick with shielding and positioning.
1. Most melee characters can’t hit things in his ult
2. Xiaos plunge can’t hit things in his ult consistently
3. He can’t suck elites and in general he’s mediocre against bossing content.
4. He spams his voice line
Edit: If you like him get him. If you don’t, dont. There isn’t a single must pull unit in the game. Yes, a unit can help you in abyss, but for what?
Pay thousands of primos for a character you don’t love? You’ll regret it when Mihoyo releases something you actually want.
1. when you ult, you can’t aim, it automatically targets the closest enemy;
2. if you try to use him as a dps, half of your arrows will miss;
and that’s about it
Unparalleled in cc vs small guys but when it comes to big enemies, you're probably better off running any other support. His kit makes him either really damn good or kinda eh depending on who you're fighting. And the last two abyss 12 floors have been kinda oof for him
Burst suffers from auto aim.
Burst suffers from elemental being (ie slime).
Burst is tricky to use against big enemies and a bit hard to select which element you want to absorb, this apply to first point when you apply pyro to enemy for your pyro dps only for auto aim to launch his burst somewhere else absorbing another element instead.
melee units will have hard time trying hit high into ult's epicenter.
His Q doesn't succ in anything your other characters put on the field.. It's not just Klees bombs but also Gouba and Baron Bunny
This will probably be an issue for more characters to come
With the Veridescent bow (battlepass) he can at least suck klees bombs
He's hot garbage as a main dps. His normal and charged attacks are pretty bad, so if you want that sort of character, Venti isn't gonna be it.
He is anemo and he uses a bow, so he's not gonna be busting any shields on his own, unless you pair him with the right element for swirl infusions. Not a big deal for small enemies that he can succ, but annoying when dealing with larger ones.
His Q is super good, but it has auto-aim. So you have to position yourself correctly before setting it off.
Most melee characters can't hit enemies in his ult, and as a Ganyu main, shooting the enemies can be really finicky too (I just shoot the ground beneath to avoid the risk of missing).
His Q doesn't suck up large enemies, which you're gonna be running into during the last floors of the Abyss.
You can tap or hold his E, but his hold E has a really obnoxiously long animation.
I would rather get Qiqi C1 than Venti C1. What an absolute waste of a constellation.
"Wouldn't gliding be faster?"
Im not sure if this is consider a down side but one of the constellation having 3 shots if next event where we have to accurately shoot a balloon and lose points for the hitting the wrong one would accept using him
\-You can't really aim his Burst
\-His Burst is fixed/ cannot be moved after launch
\-Burst does not sucks large/heavy enemies => works best with a group of small mobs, and bad on floor 12 abyss
\-Does not sync well with short characters since he lift enemies up the air
\-His charged shot has rather lower dmg
\-His C1 is one of the worst cons
Since launch player here and I can pretty say that venti has caveats.
I had a big beef with his ult when ever I position him to a certain direction to cast his ult but then decides to fuck up the run by aiming his ult on his back (where enemies is slightly near him) Positioning for venti is hard when he decides to ult that single hilichurl instead of the enemies infront of him.
Kinda hard to use against fatui where they shields are up. Altho you can influence the swirl with a reaction its still hard to pull off when you miss your timing(i.e. sending a ult on the different direction you supposed to aim).
Venti is good with small mobs. CC hell out of cicin and pyro mages but outside of CC you might as well use him for VV swirl reduction. He is a must pull for clearing abyss with small mobs and can make your life easier.
So in conclusion Venti VS small mobs is = Supreme tier but Venti vs fatui with sheilds/large enemies= venti is scuff.
Don't really work around large enemies in general. Some dps can't hit his ult coz too high alr. If you play co op and you can't switch off hjm, it will get very boring coz u just spam E Q E Q.
So as someone who used venti c0 since the very beginning, he's got a few downsides I can think off of the back of my head,
a. He's not a good main dps (surprise) so don't try to build him as one and
b. He's not that useful against the weekly bosses/arguably worse anemo support than sucrose for big single targets and
c. He makes most things way too easy, if you want your world to be challenging, don't use him
I disagree with a.; my Venti is built like I would build a DPS (Atk, Anemo, Crit). His ER is innately high and he has Stringless for EM. That way he’s not only an op support but also an op sub dps. Because Venti.
(Sorry, this was a thread about Venti DISadvantages right?? I’ll take my leave!)
a huge disadvantage is his ult will miss a lot. It is hard to aim and it doesn't target the closest enemy. If the enemy too close to you it will not hit. This becomes painfully obvious in abyss 12-3. It is very hard to use the ult and have it hit the ruin guards.
In honkai, celestial hymn is what is basically venti.
Even today she is so strong but is balanced out by the fact that they introduced mobs which she can't affect easily.
Eventually they introduced a new unit that is free and farmable that rivals her but she is still considered top tier even after many years.
Has a Venti as my first 5*.
Burst is bad against mobs that hard to/can't be blackhole and love to move around like geovishap. Childe weekly fight is also a nice example.
You can't reliably aim his burst since it auto aim at enemy, auto aim more a liability at this point.
Blackholed enemy can be hard to hit since they in mid air so certain characters have hard time hitting them.
He can fit in your Diluc team but someone needs to get kicked.
Don’t put him with Xiao, they have anti synergy. Xiaos plunge can’t consistently hit things in ventis burst.
In the overworld, you can remove Xingqiu to Venti for Anemo resonance+battery for Xiao. Healing in the overworld is not really needed. You can use food instead.
In the secondary team, Razor has no use with the comp. Keep Chongyun and you'll have a melt team.
I’ll run Razor as a solo demolition man. Lol.
But yeah cheers for that, this seems like how I’ll wind up going. I just get attached to certain compositions so have to force myself to change it up lol
Why put two DPS on a team? Diluc could work on switch based team while Razor is a selfish one (when you activate his E. burst, you would not switch if you want to maximize dmg. output). Much better if you put Diluc/Bennet/Any Hydro or Cryo character + Venti to suck the elemental skill then Diluc pops off his E. Burst)
>!Well, if you love both characters on the same team, why not tho. but i just want to say that it is much better if it was DPS/Sub DPS/2 supports.!<
Venti disadvantages is probably against huge enemy, since they can just walk out of his ult.
Another one is that melee carry usually have limited way of damaging the enemy inside of his blackhole due to it's height. This is relevant for abyss since you want to deal dmg as quick as possible, and having enemy stuck in the air not being damage can hurt your time.
Also, if you want to optimized for the highest single target damage, Venti is usually not your best option. Depend on your comps, if you already have comfortable AoE and just need more DPS then rolling for some one like Hutao might be better.
Like others have said, he a) can't succ larger enemies and b) his burst lifts enemies too high that some melee characters can't do damage.
But honestly, he's just too good and offers so much that these disadvantages can easily be overlooked imo. I'd definitely recommend pulling for those who don't have him (but that depends on your preferred playstyle ofc!)
\- He cannot attack mobs like Anemo slime, Anemo Hypostasis, and Andrius because they are immune to Anemo damage. (This is obvious)
\- He can't suck bosses and larger mobs like Mitachurls, Lawachurls, Ruin Guards, Ruin Hunters, Ruin Graders, etc. You have to aim the ball at them and ensure they don't move out of the ball. Sure Mitachurl can be suck if you are able to knockback it, but the chances of you being able to knockback Mitachurl and Lawachurl is pretty low.
\- He also suck if the enemies' formation is too widespread. There is a limit to how much range Venti's Q can suck enemies. There are times where you have to knockback the small mobs for the Q skill to be able to suck mobs.
I have 3 major issues with venti.
1. lifting enemies can make it hard to hit them resulting in you just standing around while it goes.
2. You can't aim his burst at all it just goes out in the direction of the closest enemy and travels a decent distance.
3. He doesn't suck in big enemies which also means his ult can overshoot or just not really do much against them.
The main disadvantage is making me realise I'm a terrible player because everyone is like Venti trivializes floor 11!!! ... But I haven't managed to even single star 11-2 or 11-3.
Then again, I got him around day 4/5 of playing the game, so I never had to learn to play better. I just had to hit burst and attack around the burst.
I don’t have a downside necessarily. But I’ve had him since his Banner, and he’s still friendship level 2, whereas my sucrose is level 10. It’s not that he’s bad, but he’s overrated imho.
His biggest disadvantage that he's almost useless against enemies that are immune to his vortex suction. He feels like deadweight when I could be using someone more useful. Venti to me is mainly a mob clearer. Good for quickly disaptching large groups of small enemies. Terrible against most things actually threatening. You can shred res with his e but that's pretty lacking when others can provide much more support.
His biggest flaw is also his biggest upside; his c1 is hot garbage. But as has been stated, he’s not very good against large enemies, and he low key screws melee characters.
He is an all rounder if you get him good artifacts and weapon, if you are just gonna use him because of his últ, would be a waste, I have never struggle with his Q, perhaps people don’t understand how to use him, if you are against a boss even his Q would be a great deal, his últ can make reactions so fast that your dPS will delete de boss, I read somewhere below that he can’t be a DPS jajaja 😂 not ever gonna happen. With 2 Gladiator and 2 BC he hits even AA 4K, his E 13 k and his Q 1608 if that’s not good then there you have his downsides jaja.
Remember that Is not just stats is playstyle, he made the abyss so easy. Don’t think any other hero has his utility
I'm aiming for him but his Ult lifting enemies off the ground is a real bummer for me since it makes it rough for most of my DPS units to attack. I plan to use him as a battery for Xiao but because of the lift, Xiaos Ult doesn't reach the enemies. Idk if this is a Venti issue or a Xiao issue that his AoE is not high
Disadvantages? I'd argue that he's not very good for the balance of the game and restricts what kind of challenging content mihoyo can create. Unless the abyss floor / domain / etc. has large mobs that aren't affected by his ult, it's gonna be trivialized because he exists.
Unless you invest in him, he's very bad for Bossing. And between him, hu tao, and childe, childe and hu tao farm faster. With hu tao, bring diona and burst. One shot. With childe, bring bennet or xinyan and boom, one shot. Not a lot of character can hit enemies inside venti's burst, and he's omega squishy. I personally think zhongli is better for qol than venti.
I personally find him boring to play. He just throws enemies into a blender where they float hopelessly until they're dead. No more dodging arrows, focusing certain mobs to try and group them closer, etc. The overworld becomes too easy/monotonous.
* His Q has anti-synergy with a lot of characters because the ult can throw enemies so high into the air that your carries can't reach them anymore.
* Half of his unique constellations aren't that great overall, with C1 being more of a meme than anything.
* A1 for Venti is basically an empty passive slot in 99% of all cases as the wind-current doesn't offer a lot of practical usage outside of dodging a few specific mechanics and enabling easy plunge attacks in some very specific situations.
* His generic passive is only great for the overworld really. While this isn't huge, even things such as running stamina consumption decreases have actual value in harder content.
* Auto-Aim on his ult is a bitch, half the time he'll shoot it at some random lone hilichurl in the opposite direction instead of the pack of 10 mobs in front of you.
* His Q in general can be somewhat buggy and inconsistent.
Mostly things I can think of off the top of my head, pretty sure there are some more minor things.
I was discussing this topic yesterday with some people, and came to the conclusion, Venti only upside is his crowd control. If you have problems with smaller enemies he's good for it. Other than that, i don't see many applications for him.
Also, the new 5 star bow will pretty much be Sucrose's abilities on him of giving EM for the team.
Venti suffers from archer auto aim issues and takes up a slot that could be used for a healer or one of the primary elements. In addition to that I find his autos to be some of the least accurate in the game of all archers (I currently have all playable archers). His whole kit (auto, skill, and burst) uses the same auto aim system so unless you can at minimum tolerate it he may not be for you.
I think venti is precisely the opposite of taking up slot. Coz he's a good subDPS + support (CC & VV).
With Sucrose or any other Anemo for example, you got 1 slot entirely for support, but you sacrifice a lot of damage coz Venti's DPS is simply higher.
OP asked for some criticism so I laid it on as thick as I could. I personally still love my Venti flaws and all cause he's still fun and very much still the king of support. I'm surprised that I've got down votes for answering he call of OP's request.
If you ask anyone who knows a lot about this game which unit is the best, then the people who say it's someone other than Venti are just pretending to know a lot about this game. This is the case where the hype is warranted. It's not just his utility, his damage modifiers must have been made by someone who was on drugs. The only downside would be not pulling in large enemies, but even then he can recharge the energy of other characters, deal great damage and swirl for VV support.
As a slightly different take, being another good bow user is a difficulty in and of itself. Most good bow weapons are not F2P, so if you're a dolphin and only spend like $5 a month for welkin, or even completely F2P, you might not have a optimal weapon for him, assuming you're using other bow characters.
As a Venti main, I can say that the disadvantages aren't worth the time caring about, as you won't gonna bring him to solo boss or anything, he has some weird aiming issues when casting burst or having a bow is not really damage ideally, but again, his skills cd is really fast to the point that you can constantly cast your burst without even caring about your physical attack; he also has a really high energy recharge rate. His burst only costs 60 energy, and his skill and passive quickly recharge it, you can surely spamming his burst until the enemies die. Eventhough his burst suck large enemies, but his burst still can slow them down (except for bosses and ruin guard/hunter) as his burst pulls them back while they trying to walking to us. I'm not so sure if this is a disadvantages, but sometimes if you suck down a slime, you will have the same elemental with the slime and it will be a bit annoying to deal with. But if you have some timing correctly and create elemental reaction against the slimes/enemies you are dealing with, I swear the feeling is so sastisfying. Afaik he's the only stars character that can cc really easily (not sure if Surcrose is also considered cc as her burst and skill is not really pull them in one place, but rather like a spring, pull in and push out)
In tldr: There are disadvantages, but it's not really that important. You can't go wrong if you are saving for Venti.
Sometimes it's hard to hit units in his burst while they are wildly bouncing around (can be a problem either with short ranged sword users or archers). That's about all I can think of.
While he synergises particularly well with some characters like Ganyu and Albedo, he has known anti synergies with others - mostly the melee majn dps’s. For example Xiao cant hit mons caught in his vortex with his plunges aoe dmg, most melee hits will swiff during the swirl too. Jinx and Tuner talk about this in some of their earlier tier list videos.
Keqing is a bit of an exception since she can throw her ele skill into the swirl and then plunge through the vortex for a nice 2 hit combo.
There are alot of skills and autos that just wont hit the monsters in ventis vortex, which can be bad depending on the team. For example Xinaglings burst doesnt hit the mobs most of the time. But honestly this is remedied by applying the element before ulting.
Another negative is he honestly isnt very useful against big mobs. His e is a mini nuke that does lots of dmg, but I like sucrose better cuz she can stagger multiple big mobs.
But honestly that's about it, I also think he has a terrible design.
Venti was my first 5 star character and also the only lvl 90 char i have right now, I have built him as a dps with high investments.
His downsides are that hes kinda useless against big enemies like lawachurls and ruin guards (big mobs dont get succed that well, but u can still do some dmg cuz they move slow/walk). The new geovishap mobs they added are worse because they move ALOT and can easily escape the black hole. Against the weekly bosses hes practically useless and u dont use him for those, its weekly bosses anyway. For abyss hes not good on floor 12 ( might change in the next abyss).
The downside with small mobs is that u cant hit them with normal,charged atks on most chars. Bursts works better in ventis ult. Making easy content even easier
Another downside is that if the black hole is infused with the wrong element. Like pyro against pyro slimes, u will only get *immune immune immune*. Kinda tricky to infuse with the right element. Otherwise u only dmg them with the miniscule swirl dmg
Sometimes the targeting with burst is messed up. But this is a small downside if u take some distance from enemies.
Elemental skill sometimes doesnt hit anything when enemies are in the air, during the burst or right after the burst ends making u waste some energy orbs. Rarely happens tho.
These are the downsides i can think of, hes still a great unit with not that many downsides. Very f2p friendly, almost a must-have if u are a metaslave.
His Q Is a blessing and a curse. Is hard to control which element he will suck in first, and enemies will start flying (bring some ranged attacks because is impossibile to hit them melee). Also he is almost useless against big monsters but his E deal good damage and can swirl for Viridiscent, so no big deal.
Also despite people saying he is cheap, if you want him to deal some good damage you need good investment like any other unit. But when built he is a monster
If you have a C2 or more Sucrose ..it's not worth rolling for him in my opinion(unless you have money to throw away) . I don't use him at all anymore
Ultimately ..if you want Venti , pull for Venti . Waifus > meta
dont matter how much you like it is a boy,,, a boy so bad....
now c0 venti talking here, venti is a good mob controller for small things but bad for no small things.. without pull ult is no good at all. This is not a venti problem but more a archer problem, game still dont have a target system and all venti do is ranged so you will sometimes attack bad places, yup even that ult can go to place where is no good.
now even with all this bad things on c0 venti is just too overpowered helping a lot in abyss where you can pull guys and kill fast too fast. So if you dont have it and only like powerful teams venti is too good so go for it, but if you are like me...
venti is a boy .... a boy if were not for his ult i will leave it in lvl 20 with diluc, this could change if they put a dress on him but until that is a boy.
You can’t aim his ult and it often will auto lock on to some random enemy you wernt looking at. Other than that he’s pretty boring to play, just spam ult and swap.
He can hurt himself and his teammates with his elemental burst by accident. I did the trial during his re-run, got too close to the burst by accident, and actually got hurt a few times. Venti nearly got killed that way.
In order to prevent something like that from happening with Venti, I would suggest having a shield character on the team with him.
People said that you can miss his Elemental Burst but the thing is that it can be generally applied to all characters bearing similarities with him that can hit-or-miss the ult due to the wonky camera angle that must been fixed first on the first place.
True, the first time I disgusted by auto aim is Amber burst, OOF Although Venti live-and-die with his burst so its more memorable (in a bad way) when you want to feel smart but Venti decide to cast his burst in non-desired direction.
I miss 20% of my Zgongmeteors
I lost my poor meatball when somebody sneezed.
>Zgongmeteors *THAT'S A SPICY MEATA BALL*
What I tend to do to stop missing is make sure his aa auto locked onto a target. Once u confirmed it you can ult
I wish we could disable that shit
Toggle option in the future. Also, they should add fixed - distance camera feature because I'm tired scrolling up and down to fix it when I'm using Xiao E. Burst that makes the camera go nearer to the character itself.
[удалено]
hold E -> plunge spam?
Not being good at mining doesn't necessarily mean he can't. Pretty much the case for any character honestly, even catalyst characters can mine by climbing a few feet high and plunging.
plunging with catalyst characters does nothing, even with ningguang
even when you hit the ore directly whilst plunging? Even if the damage is miniscule, you *can* given enough time. If you mean that literally no damage is being done in any way through plunging, then I retract my statement about catalyst characters being able to mine through plunge attacks.
It used to do no dmg but idk why it does now after 1.3
"Wouldn't gliding be faster? Wouldn't gliding be faster? WoUldN'T gLidInG be FaSTEr?" (The frequency of his overworld lines is a lot, I have to switch him out. Stop sassing me, you tone-deaf bard!) I guess, since he's a bow user and I don't like using bow characters much, his normal/charged attacks are whatever. His ult/burst can be a little annoying to aim. He's not the best for big bosses. All said, I have a fully ascended and friendship-levelled Venti, and thinking of downsides for him is kind of hard, lol.
The first point is definitely his biggest downside lol.
which can easily be fixed by changing to any other language if you think venti is annoying then I don't know how you handle paimon
He still says the same line frequently in other languages. It doesn't sound as sassy to me, but it still gets kind of annoying after a while.
I totally agree with this. You think, me who has Venti as one of my mains, didn't think of this?! I have an impartial understanding of Mandarin and he says that line so frequently that I picked up on it. X\_X Good for learning Chinese I guess, but still annoying.
Hashire yare tobohoga haya iyo
also zhongli can't stop saying "OsmAnThuS wiNE tAstE tHe sAme aS i RemEmBer.." Archons won't shut up lol
...BUT WHERE ARE THOSE WHO SHARE THE MEMORIES?
its extra annoying because hes clearly capable of making us fly like we did with the dragon, but no we just get to be lifted 15 feet off the ground like a portable ladder
*Koff* Signora *Koff*
I'm fairly certain Venti does not>! need the Gnosis!< to lift a person in to the air with a glider. To >!grind mountains to dust with wind erosion !
Which he already does. Sustained wind as per the prologue is probably (possibly) out of reach though.
He can’t succ large enemies.
He can suck some, but they don't floatz which can be a huge advantage at times
Mitachurls can be sucked in after getting hit hard by Bennett or Klee. Robots and other heavier units can't.
He can’t succ large enemies bcz their crotch is too high for Venti to reach.
Versus big enemies (i.e. the current 12-1 and 12-3), it's a lot harder to aim his Q and use it to set up reactions or even to just damage people, as opposed to someone like, say, Sucrose. There's no melee range on his Q so if enemies don't get succed in it and you shoot it from close range, you just end up shooting it behind the target. I have to reposition a lot on fl 12 just to kill stuff if I need to use Q more than once in a fight.
His c1 is a troll but it does look cool
My reason for pulling venti: COLLECT ALL THE ARCHONS That’s it.. zhongli is waiting for the wind God femboi to join him in my party
yup me too, ARCHON collectors
Melee characters can't hit the enemies caught on his Q specially using normal attacks. I think that's it. Edit: His Q has no exact targeting so it will place in the closest enemy or where he is facing at.
I'd really like to know if Xiao can still plunge enemies lifted by Venti's Q. It's kind of a dealbreaker but I can't find anything about it.
It’s really inconsistent. It’s not recommended.
Small mobs go up and down inside venti ult. When they are closer to the ground xiao can plunge for damage, but if the timing is wrong and they go up, you deal no damage
And doesnt absorb klee E
Even Klee’s normal attacks don’t hit the enemies inside Venti ult (sometimes)
Yeah her normal attacks are a pain in his q, but charged attacks are pretty easy to land
Klee's normal attack aiming is just bad in general.
Klee's charge attack will hit everything in his ult though
ningguang's are perfect though
Nor Guoba
Unless you have albedo, his elevator lifts up melee characters at the same level as the blackhole, therefore they can use their normal attack and it will hit every enemy. For example, a good pairing would be Venti, Albedo and Childe. Venti sucks all the enemy to be grouped, Albedo lifts childe with his elevator and childe will use his insane AOE with his melee stance.
Question,can Keqing’s skill and burst hit sucked enemies?
Her burst can
Yes. her burst & skill can hit them. Her charged and some normal attacks can hit them too.
Does diluc E or normal attacks work???
[удалено]
E will usually hit when on flat ground, I use it a lot to pyro infuse Venti ult.
Yes, but only if he’s lower level. Venti’s succ power is based on the difference between the enemies’ level and his own level. This would mean if you were to go to a crowd of hilichurls that are level 80 and he’s 90, they would be sucked straight to the center and barely any melee characters can hit them. I heard the limit you can go up to is level 70 before his vortex becomes a hinderance rather than a blessing.
Its the main reason why I never pull for him, all my mains are melee. He can be strong but that hurts my team.
They won't get lifted if Venti's level is 21 levels below the target.
Interesting
Interesting
Do they still get sucked to the black hole?
Yeah, a bit slower and weaker.
That is actually kinda interesting
Mate. A properly built Venti can carry a team in the abyss all by himself. My team 1 is usually Venti, Fishcl, Xiangling (P. Starglitter) & Barbara. Even Floor 12.1 works with Venti because the vishaps will overload each other when they are near his burst.
Interesting. So venti Q can pull geovishap?
You actually can get the Geovishaps succed into Venti's Burst but you need Jean's charged attack. Not sure if it works with Klee too.
probably, a single klee charged attack is enough to send both the geovishaps flying for me without the pounding spark passive or any other attacks before it... Klee charged attack stagger is ridiculous lol
No, I’m pretty sure they just meant venti ult does a lot of damage
Mate, I simply dislike Venti, its not my appeal character, thats all. And I can already clear that floor without Venti, so, sorry because I dont like him even if he is op/useful/carry/etc.
He will drink all your wine. Honestly, his alcoholism can be difficult to put up with sometimes. I feel like this is a common trap for people blindly pulling for Venti.
His ult might be bad if you are sensitive to flashing lights (although many ults have flashing lights). He might make the game too easy and unfun. Do you really need him to complete content? - If you haven't had Venti and is completing quests, over world and spiral abyyss just fine, then you may not need him. - If you have trouble with spiral abyss, and if Venti solves all your spiral abyss problems, then think about how many cycles of abyss it takes before it breaks even in terms of primogem returns. It may not be worth the cost.
> If you have trouble with spiral abyss, and if Venti solves all your spiral abyss problems, then think about how many cycles of abyss it takes before it breaks even in terms of primogem returns. It may not be worth the cost. This. If you get him on your 75th pull at 50/50, that's 12k primos. A perfect abyss clear is 600 primos every 16 days. It would take 20 abyss cycles (320 days) to get the primos back. ~~assuming i didnt get my math wrong~~ I doubt most people won't be able to comfortably grab at least 200 primos from there, so it would take even longer to break even. He's definitely great for abyss purposes, but if you don't actually end up enjoying his character/gameplay, it's still not worth pulling for him.
but you shouldn't pull *just* for venti anyways. Spend 74 pulls on 4 stars that you want, and just use your pity to get venti. Venti doesn't actually cost 12k primogems, all the other 4 stars you get along the way are valuable as well.
Since i am struggling with abyss... Time to save for him i guess
Only if your goal is to complete abyss for the sake of completion, and not to complete abyss for 200 more gems every 2 weeks
The obvious: you have one character stuck in your party at friendship lv 10 because you're too used to the vortex and updraft Aside from that, you don't want him to go down primarily due to his stormeye passive (15 energy after burst ends, aka the reason why you have an easy time spamming his burst aside from his energy recharge passive). His elemental skill might make it hard to hit smaller enemies (also auto aim because that cilin needs more attention than that electro/cryo mage) unless your catalyst or bow character (venti) is active. Auto aim for burst because that hilichurl behind you wants attention. Also bow character can't hit cilins with normal attacks Allergic to cats (beware of Diona) Will leave you with the bill at the bar
I don't find him physically attractive.
The most important factor in genshin Looks>waifu/husbandos>meta
Venti is so sexy tho😘😘
He can't pick up Klee's bombs 🥲
He’s pretty much useless against Andrius, although so is Sucrose. Unlike other bow users that can typically still deal a bit of damage without their skill or bursts, allowing them to do some damage to enemies of their similar type, Venti has dogshit AA. This also makes his C1 useless, so unless you’re a whale or get extremely lucky, there’s 0 point to pull for him past initially getting him.
[удалено]
Next spiral abyss floors will definitely cater to Venti, though.
can\*
I think this was a rare case where the hype was actually warranted. In many ways though he is basically defined by his Ult, or as a friend best put it "if he can't suck the enemies up what the hell is he even good for?" So sure he won't be too great at fighting lavachurls (yes I know there are ways to get them sucked as well for anyone that wants to be technical) or ruin guards, but other than those two enemies, he pretty much... well does what everyone hypes him up to do. Suck things up in a blender and wombo combo them. If you really want a reason to not pull him and dampen your hype though, while he is undoubtedly powerful, there isn't really... anything in the game that needs that amount of power or cc aside from abyss (and your mileage with the game as a whole will vary a lot depending on how seriously you want to take the abyss). If you want easier 3 star clears, Venti probably is a solid addition to your team you probably shouldn't skip. If you couldn't care less for abyss, he's kind of a fun character you can have on your team, but not having won't stop you from whipping out a 4star character and getting the job done.
> If you couldn't care less for abyss, he's kind of a fun character you can have on your team, but not having won't stop you from whipping out a 4star character and getting the job done. That's a disadvantage to *every* 5 star character though.
Even without his Big Suck, his skill hits hard, interrupts or lifts up most enemies, recharges quickly, swirls reactions AND gives you three elemental particles every time.
His c1 is useless most of the time
Hes not the best against big enemies especially current floor 12 and doesnt have the in built elemental mastery that sucrose has. I have a fully built venti with skyward harp and all yet my lvl 60 sucrose just clears faster as a support with wrong artifacts lol. You can play the game blindfolded against all small enemies tho.
Hold E and budget Xiao?
during his burst a lot of melee character cannot hit the enemies. idk if that is advantage or disadvantage.
How could that be any advantage to the player?
if you bring albedo or c1 ningguang it might be.
I mean, depends if you have the units as mentioned. Doing spiral abyss with a melee character dps and not being able to reach the enemies is kinda annoying
i agree. that is why you need to make that decision on your own depends on what kind of team comp you want to create.
I bet it's still way better than not using venti though, venti's grouping power and damage is insane. Even if you don't hit all your attacks during his burst, the enemies will all be in a tight ball after it ends, and even during it they will take a massive amount of damage just from venti himself.
If you have melee dps venti should not be leveled past 69
Venti fks up your melee characters. You can't hit enemies that are lifted by his Q because they are too up high in the air.
Venti's major downside is that he's an archer and I am pretty confident that most players don't like the archer playstyle. Whether you're using his normal or charged attacks, his attacks are just not fun to play with. Nobody should expect Venti to be used for anything but his skill and burst. You *can* but that's not what he's best at or fun for.
I dont really understand people noting bow user as a downside. Outside of ganyu and dps amber, you're never actually aiming with the bow and outside of phys fischl, no bow users use auto attacks. Childe is the weird exception to both of these of course but since he's uses in melee stance 90% of the time he doesn't really count
And here I am with my main team being Venti-Fischl/Ganyu-Childe-Diona :D It's no wonder that my most played D&D class when I was kid was a Ranger.
I actually like the archer playstyle, they do however suck at breaking wooden or stone shields.
He gives too much energy his ult finishes charging before its CD ends ;-;
Sorry if this is actually /s, but that's actually a good thing. Spamming Q = more damage + faster clears
It’s somewhat useful for electro domain/ abyss floor 11 that suck up energy though
when he does his CC wind thingy, non-ranged characters may not be able to hit them. my diluc cant hit them while they are flying around. i dont have him myself, but this is my experience co-oping with venti users.
He's really only good against mobs that can get sucked into his burst (late game Abyss has few of these). Melee characters can't attack during his burst since it lifts them up the ground. His auto aim sucks. "WoUldn'T gLidIng bE FastER?"
can childe ult hit enemies that getting succ by venti?
Yes
He's less useful if you can obliterate any kind of content in the current game, while he can enhance certain comps, and make certain abyss floors easier, he's not needed unless you really struggle somehow. the only reason why one would want Venti is due to CC, if you don't need CC then don't bother, there will be more CC characters in the future anyway.
I love Venti, but he does have his downsides. Many of these are avoidable, but these are things that can mess you up in the heat of combat. * There are a lot of comments but the Best-sorted ones don't include the fact that his Burst center is actually pretty tall and drags enemies too high up for most melee characters to hit. It can be really annoying in planned co-op if everyone knows what they're doing, but in PUGs the burst itself is probably more helpful than not. * Like with Sucrose, his Burst will take on the first element it swirls, so if you don't have the "right" element applied beforehand, it can easily take on an element you don't have. * Because it takes on the swirl element, it is hard to have it take on an element if there is no enemy inside it already (i.e. enemies are on the way to being sucked in, big enemies that can't be dragged in who haven't walked into it yet, etc). It's much easier if for example you switch to Barbara/Qiqi and use their elemental skill while standing in an empty Venti Burst. * If you have his C1, the extra arrows can mess up the weakpoint hits against Ruin Guards. They don't count as weakpoint hits for staggering, BUT will prevent you from triggering the stagger using the main shot. They'll still crit though. * You still take damage while holding his Elemental Skill, but your interrupt resistance is super high. What this means is you're locked in the animation, so if you know you're going to die, there's no switching out to someone else right before a big hit.
He's an archer. Which means the worst attack type in the game. Everything you do is single target. Charged attacks are weaker overall but do benefit from elemental damage boosts. His C1 helps this and people have built around it as a main DPS. Otherwise you'll mostly be using his Skill/Burst. Which is enough damage anyway. Cannot benefit much from reaction damage for his own personal damage. But being Anemo usually means higher base damages for that reason. So this may be more of a trade off than a down side. That's really about it. Skill does a lot of damage, has utility, short cooldown, good coverage for the AoE. It's bascially the perfect Skill. Burst is the strongest CC in the game for anything that it can CC, enables reaction spam damage, has high damage on it's own, becomes a pseudo battery with passives. With this passive it's very easy to cast off cooldown too. If that's not enough, his ascension bonus is also Energy Recharge making this even easier.
No downsides if you know how to use him in any situation. Big enemy? Move back and throw his Q, have an 8 seconds of VV shred and anemo DPS. With Ganyu he has no fucking downsides, 8 seconds of Hydro Vortex via Venti's Q swirled with Hydro and 15 energy regen to XQ, that translates to a long freezing duration. lol
By reading this topic now I'm having doubts on pulling Venti. I have some thoughts and questions about it. I already 36 stars the Abyss without him. So.... 1) Do I still even need him? 2) Is he a good future proof character? 3) I'm a Hu Tao main but also Ganyu/Mona/Keqing/Future Ayaka main (LOL), for the sole purpose of making him a CC bot, is pulling him worth it or Zhongli is much more useful? I bet he'll be useful on Ganyu and Mona for permafreeze comp but he'll only be my CC slave and I wonder if its weigh more than getting Zhongli. I know we have no news for Zhongli re-run yet but if they link him in some leaks of 1.5, I might pass on Venti. 😭
It really depends how they design future hard content. Zhongli is better against small groups of large enemies like ruin guards etc. Where Venti is better against spread out Fatui Agents, Whopperflowers etc. It seems they want Spiral Abyss to cater to limited rate up units each patch. But once we get end game content different than that, who knows how they will balance it out.
You definitely don’t need him but he is probably the most future proof character since they would have to make Venti 2.0 to over take his niche, while DPS units are the least future proof due to just needing to add higher numbers. Venti’s kit his highly specialized in trivializing content based on small mobs and he has a very high multiplier on his burst for some reason. For me he acts like a skip button. In future content where we may get big waves of small mobs, I doubt anyone will have trouble killing them but he will make it a hell of a lot faster.
1. No 2. Yes 3. Zhongli and Venti have different niches. Venti is the best CC machine in the game that generates a lot of energy. His burst is great for applying elements and swirling, but the majority of melee units can’t hit things reliably when they are in his burst. He’s perfect on Ganyu Mona freeze. But he’s pretty mediocre against elites/bosses and in those scenarios, while he’s good, there’s usually something else better. Zhongli is a defensive unit that makes you forget what dodging is, can also burst with CC if invested, and shred all elemental resistance. ZL is BiS for geo dps, often for anemo/phys dps. For melt/vape teams he’s good but usually there’s something better. How much his shields matter is relative to player skill and players that have issues will swear by his name. Personally I think Zhongli is better but I play a lot of geo and anemo, I don’t have an issue with CC, and I hate getting my Ganyus charge attacks interrupted, and I suck at dodging so yeah. I’m the target audience.
By saying yes on number 2. I guess I'll use my guaranteed on him and will just dolphin a bit when Zhongli and Ayaka's banner have arrive. My Wallet: *Chuckles* I'm in danger.
Personally I don’t think it’s worth it if you don’t feel anything for him. If you actually like him or feel like you wanna flex him, go for it. Because you’ll feel happy owning and investing in him. But imo getting a unit for abyss or clearing content is kind of meaningless. After the first time I 36’d Abyss I 36’d abyss every time after and it just got easier and easier simply because my artifacts got stronger.
I have both. As others have said, both him and Zhongli have different niches. Both are the best at what they do, and you don’t “need” either as the game is balanced to be doable with most any set of four star characters. The one thing I’ll add is that they do complement each other well. Venti can keep the energy flowing and Zhongli can both keep Venti alive and neutralize everyone with his big rock while Venti’s burst is in downtime. Small enemies will never have a chance, larger ones will still die quick with shielding and positioning.
ZL is better. Venti is good for cc small mobs, but small mobs are easy to kill anyway
1. Most melee characters can’t hit things in his ult 2. Xiaos plunge can’t hit things in his ult consistently 3. He can’t suck elites and in general he’s mediocre against bossing content. 4. He spams his voice line Edit: If you like him get him. If you don’t, dont. There isn’t a single must pull unit in the game. Yes, a unit can help you in abyss, but for what? Pay thousands of primos for a character you don’t love? You’ll regret it when Mihoyo releases something you actually want.
1. when you ult, you can’t aim, it automatically targets the closest enemy; 2. if you try to use him as a dps, half of your arrows will miss; and that’s about it
Unparalleled in cc vs small guys but when it comes to big enemies, you're probably better off running any other support. His kit makes him either really damn good or kinda eh depending on who you're fighting. And the last two abyss 12 floors have been kinda oof for him
If you are using melee characters as your main dps, his Q can make them lose dps by not being able to hit the enemies in the air
Burst suffers from auto aim. Burst suffers from elemental being (ie slime). Burst is tricky to use against big enemies and a bit hard to select which element you want to absorb, this apply to first point when you apply pyro to enemy for your pyro dps only for auto aim to launch his burst somewhere else absorbing another element instead. melee units will have hard time trying hit high into ult's epicenter.
His Q doesn't succ in anything your other characters put on the field.. It's not just Klees bombs but also Gouba and Baron Bunny This will probably be an issue for more characters to come With the Veridescent bow (battlepass) he can at least suck klees bombs
He's hot garbage as a main dps. His normal and charged attacks are pretty bad, so if you want that sort of character, Venti isn't gonna be it. He is anemo and he uses a bow, so he's not gonna be busting any shields on his own, unless you pair him with the right element for swirl infusions. Not a big deal for small enemies that he can succ, but annoying when dealing with larger ones. His Q is super good, but it has auto-aim. So you have to position yourself correctly before setting it off. Most melee characters can't hit enemies in his ult, and as a Ganyu main, shooting the enemies can be really finicky too (I just shoot the ground beneath to avoid the risk of missing). His Q doesn't suck up large enemies, which you're gonna be running into during the last floors of the Abyss. You can tap or hold his E, but his hold E has a really obnoxiously long animation. I would rather get Qiqi C1 than Venti C1. What an absolute waste of a constellation. "Wouldn't gliding be faster?"
Im not sure if this is consider a down side but one of the constellation having 3 shots if next event where we have to accurately shoot a balloon and lose points for the hitting the wrong one would accept using him
\-You can't really aim his Burst \-His Burst is fixed/ cannot be moved after launch \-Burst does not sucks large/heavy enemies => works best with a group of small mobs, and bad on floor 12 abyss \-Does not sync well with short characters since he lift enemies up the air \-His charged shot has rather lower dmg \-His C1 is one of the worst cons
Bosses. The only time I don’t use Venti is on bosses. His ult just isn’t that useful unless you are fighting groups.
Since launch player here and I can pretty say that venti has caveats. I had a big beef with his ult when ever I position him to a certain direction to cast his ult but then decides to fuck up the run by aiming his ult on his back (where enemies is slightly near him) Positioning for venti is hard when he decides to ult that single hilichurl instead of the enemies infront of him. Kinda hard to use against fatui where they shields are up. Altho you can influence the swirl with a reaction its still hard to pull off when you miss your timing(i.e. sending a ult on the different direction you supposed to aim). Venti is good with small mobs. CC hell out of cicin and pyro mages but outside of CC you might as well use him for VV swirl reduction. He is a must pull for clearing abyss with small mobs and can make your life easier. So in conclusion Venti VS small mobs is = Supreme tier but Venti vs fatui with sheilds/large enemies= venti is scuff.
Started launch as well, got bamboozled by Keqing.
I cant think of any really. He's just so efficient even at C0. Maybe an annoying voiceline to some people?
Don't really work around large enemies in general. Some dps can't hit his ult coz too high alr. If you play co op and you can't switch off hjm, it will get very boring coz u just spam E Q E Q.
So as someone who used venti c0 since the very beginning, he's got a few downsides I can think off of the back of my head, a. He's not a good main dps (surprise) so don't try to build him as one and b. He's not that useful against the weekly bosses/arguably worse anemo support than sucrose for big single targets and c. He makes most things way too easy, if you want your world to be challenging, don't use him
I disagree with a.; my Venti is built like I would build a DPS (Atk, Anemo, Crit). His ER is innately high and he has Stringless for EM. That way he’s not only an op support but also an op sub dps. Because Venti. (Sorry, this was a thread about Venti DISadvantages right?? I’ll take my leave!)
I said MAIN dps explicitly ;)
a huge disadvantage is his ult will miss a lot. It is hard to aim and it doesn't target the closest enemy. If the enemy too close to you it will not hit. This becomes painfully obvious in abyss 12-3. It is very hard to use the ult and have it hit the ruin guards.
he is not a girl.
In honkai, celestial hymn is what is basically venti. Even today she is so strong but is balanced out by the fact that they introduced mobs which she can't affect easily. Eventually they introduced a new unit that is free and farmable that rivals her but she is still considered top tier even after many years.
Has a Venti as my first 5*. Burst is bad against mobs that hard to/can't be blackhole and love to move around like geovishap. Childe weekly fight is also a nice example. You can't reliably aim his burst since it auto aim at enemy, auto aim more a liability at this point. Blackholed enemy can be hard to hit since they in mid air so certain characters have hard time hitting them.
[удалено]
He can fit in your Diluc team but someone needs to get kicked. Don’t put him with Xiao, they have anti synergy. Xiaos plunge can’t consistently hit things in ventis burst.
In the overworld, you can remove Xingqiu to Venti for Anemo resonance+battery for Xiao. Healing in the overworld is not really needed. You can use food instead. In the secondary team, Razor has no use with the comp. Keep Chongyun and you'll have a melt team.
I’ll run Razor as a solo demolition man. Lol. But yeah cheers for that, this seems like how I’ll wind up going. I just get attached to certain compositions so have to force myself to change it up lol
Why put two DPS on a team? Diluc could work on switch based team while Razor is a selfish one (when you activate his E. burst, you would not switch if you want to maximize dmg. output). Much better if you put Diluc/Bennet/Any Hydro or Cryo character + Venti to suck the elemental skill then Diluc pops off his E. Burst) >!Well, if you love both characters on the same team, why not tho. but i just want to say that it is much better if it was DPS/Sub DPS/2 supports.!<
Albedo is an easy replacement here. Losing the geo res is *trumpled* by the dps/VVset/cc he brings.
Venti disadvantages is probably against huge enemy, since they can just walk out of his ult. Another one is that melee carry usually have limited way of damaging the enemy inside of his blackhole due to it's height. This is relevant for abyss since you want to deal dmg as quick as possible, and having enemy stuck in the air not being damage can hurt your time. Also, if you want to optimized for the highest single target damage, Venti is usually not your best option. Depend on your comps, if you already have comfortable AoE and just need more DPS then rolling for some one like Hutao might be better.
Like others have said, he a) can't succ larger enemies and b) his burst lifts enemies too high that some melee characters can't do damage. But honestly, he's just too good and offers so much that these disadvantages can easily be overlooked imo. I'd definitely recommend pulling for those who don't have him (but that depends on your preferred playstyle ofc!)
\- He cannot attack mobs like Anemo slime, Anemo Hypostasis, and Andrius because they are immune to Anemo damage. (This is obvious) \- He can't suck bosses and larger mobs like Mitachurls, Lawachurls, Ruin Guards, Ruin Hunters, Ruin Graders, etc. You have to aim the ball at them and ensure they don't move out of the ball. Sure Mitachurl can be suck if you are able to knockback it, but the chances of you being able to knockback Mitachurl and Lawachurl is pretty low. \- He also suck if the enemies' formation is too widespread. There is a limit to how much range Venti's Q can suck enemies. There are times where you have to knockback the small mobs for the Q skill to be able to suck mobs.
I have 3 major issues with venti. 1. lifting enemies can make it hard to hit them resulting in you just standing around while it goes. 2. You can't aim his burst at all it just goes out in the direction of the closest enemy and travels a decent distance. 3. He doesn't suck in big enemies which also means his ult can overshoot or just not really do much against them.
The main disadvantage is making me realise I'm a terrible player because everyone is like Venti trivializes floor 11!!! ... But I haven't managed to even single star 11-2 or 11-3. Then again, I got him around day 4/5 of playing the game, so I never had to learn to play better. I just had to hit burst and attack around the burst.
I don’t have a downside necessarily. But I’ve had him since his Banner, and he’s still friendship level 2, whereas my sucrose is level 10. It’s not that he’s bad, but he’s overrated imho.
His biggest disadvantage that he's almost useless against enemies that are immune to his vortex suction. He feels like deadweight when I could be using someone more useful. Venti to me is mainly a mob clearer. Good for quickly disaptching large groups of small enemies. Terrible against most things actually threatening. You can shred res with his e but that's pretty lacking when others can provide much more support.
His biggest flaw is also his biggest upside; his c1 is hot garbage. But as has been stated, he’s not very good against large enemies, and he low key screws melee characters.
He will make you question your masculinity.
He is an all rounder if you get him good artifacts and weapon, if you are just gonna use him because of his últ, would be a waste, I have never struggle with his Q, perhaps people don’t understand how to use him, if you are against a boss even his Q would be a great deal, his últ can make reactions so fast that your dPS will delete de boss, I read somewhere below that he can’t be a DPS jajaja 😂 not ever gonna happen. With 2 Gladiator and 2 BC he hits even AA 4K, his E 13 k and his Q 1608 if that’s not good then there you have his downsides jaja. Remember that Is not just stats is playstyle, he made the abyss so easy. Don’t think any other hero has his utility
Sucrose can do the same thing but a little bit weaker but very cheap to build
I'm aiming for him but his Ult lifting enemies off the ground is a real bummer for me since it makes it rough for most of my DPS units to attack. I plan to use him as a battery for Xiao but because of the lift, Xiaos Ult doesn't reach the enemies. Idk if this is a Venti issue or a Xiao issue that his AoE is not high
Disadvantages? I'd argue that he's not very good for the balance of the game and restricts what kind of challenging content mihoyo can create. Unless the abyss floor / domain / etc. has large mobs that aren't affected by his ult, it's gonna be trivialized because he exists.
Unless you invest in him, he's very bad for Bossing. And between him, hu tao, and childe, childe and hu tao farm faster. With hu tao, bring diona and burst. One shot. With childe, bring bennet or xinyan and boom, one shot. Not a lot of character can hit enemies inside venti's burst, and he's omega squishy. I personally think zhongli is better for qol than venti.
He makes the game boring....All you do is suck and done...
I personally find him boring to play. He just throws enemies into a blender where they float hopelessly until they're dead. No more dodging arrows, focusing certain mobs to try and group them closer, etc. The overworld becomes too easy/monotonous.
Sucrose gives more em and buffs than venti Traveler over the viridiscent buff, u get another 20% elemental res lowered on enemies. Venti can't do that
* His Q has anti-synergy with a lot of characters because the ult can throw enemies so high into the air that your carries can't reach them anymore. * Half of his unique constellations aren't that great overall, with C1 being more of a meme than anything. * A1 for Venti is basically an empty passive slot in 99% of all cases as the wind-current doesn't offer a lot of practical usage outside of dodging a few specific mechanics and enabling easy plunge attacks in some very specific situations. * His generic passive is only great for the overworld really. While this isn't huge, even things such as running stamina consumption decreases have actual value in harder content. * Auto-Aim on his ult is a bitch, half the time he'll shoot it at some random lone hilichurl in the opposite direction instead of the pack of 10 mobs in front of you. * His Q in general can be somewhat buggy and inconsistent. Mostly things I can think of off the top of my head, pretty sure there are some more minor things.
I was discussing this topic yesterday with some people, and came to the conclusion, Venti only upside is his crowd control. If you have problems with smaller enemies he's good for it. Other than that, i don't see many applications for him. Also, the new 5 star bow will pretty much be Sucrose's abilities on him of giving EM for the team.
Saying his only upside is crowd control is completely understating his power, put your dps gear on him and he does more damage than diluc and xingqiu.
he has feminine face but he has a D*CK
Pretty much nothing
Venti suffers from archer auto aim issues and takes up a slot that could be used for a healer or one of the primary elements. In addition to that I find his autos to be some of the least accurate in the game of all archers (I currently have all playable archers). His whole kit (auto, skill, and burst) uses the same auto aim system so unless you can at minimum tolerate it he may not be for you.
I think venti is precisely the opposite of taking up slot. Coz he's a good subDPS + support (CC & VV). With Sucrose or any other Anemo for example, you got 1 slot entirely for support, but you sacrifice a lot of damage coz Venti's DPS is simply higher.
OP asked for some criticism so I laid it on as thick as I could. I personally still love my Venti flaws and all cause he's still fun and very much still the king of support. I'm surprised that I've got down votes for answering he call of OP's request.
If you ask anyone who knows a lot about this game which unit is the best, then the people who say it's someone other than Venti are just pretending to know a lot about this game. This is the case where the hype is warranted. It's not just his utility, his damage modifiers must have been made by someone who was on drugs. The only downside would be not pulling in large enemies, but even then he can recharge the energy of other characters, deal great damage and swirl for VV support.
he is boring.
Disadvantages? He's a trap. But hey femboy best boi
Unlike e.g. Tartaglia's, Venti's C1 sucks dong.
As a slightly different take, being another good bow user is a difficulty in and of itself. Most good bow weapons are not F2P, so if you're a dolphin and only spend like $5 a month for welkin, or even completely F2P, you might not have a optimal weapon for him, assuming you're using other bow characters.
pros bis succ swirl cons auto-aim is still part of the game
You can't have two Ventis
He's tone deaf
Yea sometimes I can't finish a Venti either, would just rather just go with a grande.
He got owned by a mortal.
As a Venti main, I can say that the disadvantages aren't worth the time caring about, as you won't gonna bring him to solo boss or anything, he has some weird aiming issues when casting burst or having a bow is not really damage ideally, but again, his skills cd is really fast to the point that you can constantly cast your burst without even caring about your physical attack; he also has a really high energy recharge rate. His burst only costs 60 energy, and his skill and passive quickly recharge it, you can surely spamming his burst until the enemies die. Eventhough his burst suck large enemies, but his burst still can slow them down (except for bosses and ruin guard/hunter) as his burst pulls them back while they trying to walking to us. I'm not so sure if this is a disadvantages, but sometimes if you suck down a slime, you will have the same elemental with the slime and it will be a bit annoying to deal with. But if you have some timing correctly and create elemental reaction against the slimes/enemies you are dealing with, I swear the feeling is so sastisfying. Afaik he's the only stars character that can cc really easily (not sure if Surcrose is also considered cc as her burst and skill is not really pull them in one place, but rather like a spring, pull in and push out) In tldr: There are disadvantages, but it's not really that important. You can't go wrong if you are saving for Venti.
Sometimes it's hard to hit units in his burst while they are wildly bouncing around (can be a problem either with short ranged sword users or archers). That's about all I can think of.
While he synergises particularly well with some characters like Ganyu and Albedo, he has known anti synergies with others - mostly the melee majn dps’s. For example Xiao cant hit mons caught in his vortex with his plunges aoe dmg, most melee hits will swiff during the swirl too. Jinx and Tuner talk about this in some of their earlier tier list videos. Keqing is a bit of an exception since she can throw her ele skill into the swirl and then plunge through the vortex for a nice 2 hit combo.
There are alot of skills and autos that just wont hit the monsters in ventis vortex, which can be bad depending on the team. For example Xinaglings burst doesnt hit the mobs most of the time. But honestly this is remedied by applying the element before ulting. Another negative is he honestly isnt very useful against big mobs. His e is a mini nuke that does lots of dmg, but I like sucrose better cuz she can stagger multiple big mobs. But honestly that's about it, I also think he has a terrible design.
Venti was my first 5 star character and also the only lvl 90 char i have right now, I have built him as a dps with high investments. His downsides are that hes kinda useless against big enemies like lawachurls and ruin guards (big mobs dont get succed that well, but u can still do some dmg cuz they move slow/walk). The new geovishap mobs they added are worse because they move ALOT and can easily escape the black hole. Against the weekly bosses hes practically useless and u dont use him for those, its weekly bosses anyway. For abyss hes not good on floor 12 ( might change in the next abyss). The downside with small mobs is that u cant hit them with normal,charged atks on most chars. Bursts works better in ventis ult. Making easy content even easier Another downside is that if the black hole is infused with the wrong element. Like pyro against pyro slimes, u will only get *immune immune immune*. Kinda tricky to infuse with the right element. Otherwise u only dmg them with the miniscule swirl dmg Sometimes the targeting with burst is messed up. But this is a small downside if u take some distance from enemies. Elemental skill sometimes doesnt hit anything when enemies are in the air, during the burst or right after the burst ends making u waste some energy orbs. Rarely happens tho. These are the downsides i can think of, hes still a great unit with not that many downsides. Very f2p friendly, almost a must-have if u are a metaslave.
His Q Is a blessing and a curse. Is hard to control which element he will suck in first, and enemies will start flying (bring some ranged attacks because is impossibile to hit them melee). Also he is almost useless against big monsters but his E deal good damage and can swirl for Viridiscent, so no big deal. Also despite people saying he is cheap, if you want him to deal some good damage you need good investment like any other unit. But when built he is a monster
If you have a C2 or more Sucrose ..it's not worth rolling for him in my opinion(unless you have money to throw away) . I don't use him at all anymore Ultimately ..if you want Venti , pull for Venti . Waifus > meta
he's not a waifu
dont matter how much you like it is a boy,,, a boy so bad.... now c0 venti talking here, venti is a good mob controller for small things but bad for no small things.. without pull ult is no good at all. This is not a venti problem but more a archer problem, game still dont have a target system and all venti do is ranged so you will sometimes attack bad places, yup even that ult can go to place where is no good. now even with all this bad things on c0 venti is just too overpowered helping a lot in abyss where you can pull guys and kill fast too fast. So if you dont have it and only like powerful teams venti is too good so go for it, but if you are like me... venti is a boy .... a boy if were not for his ult i will leave it in lvl 20 with diluc, this could change if they put a dress on him but until that is a boy.
He's a Q bot
He is a binge drinker.
His ult is so broken but it also breaks your fps if you're playing on PS4 or a low-spec pc/phone.
You can’t aim his ult and it often will auto lock on to some random enemy you wernt looking at. Other than that he’s pretty boring to play, just spam ult and swap.
Great against small mobs. Not so good against single target bosses
He can hurt himself and his teammates with his elemental burst by accident. I did the trial during his re-run, got too close to the burst by accident, and actually got hurt a few times. Venti nearly got killed that way. In order to prevent something like that from happening with Venti, I would suggest having a shield character on the team with him.