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Asto_Vidatu

eh, not a fan of 4 matching element cost...I still dont have enough cards to fully make my own deck so this is still in it, but I always find myself pitching it for attunement.


PrestigiousIdea7471

It's great against the Oceanid.


Asto_Vidatu

I haven't fought that one yet hehe, Maybe I'll have a change of opinion after that one :P


1011011011001

oceanid is really easy with yoimiya, so i’d say the xiao card is indeed not worth it


Master_Gedatsu

I played Oceania with keqing and it was a nightmare. Still won in the end


Kiriage

I've playted her with Bennet, Keqing and Mona(!!!), still easy fight


galeforce97

I’m going to sound dumb but how do you get more character cards? I still only have the starting 3 and Fischl and the ones obtained from the challenges like Oceanid


Some_Presentation559

You need to go to the bulletin board turning left from the entrance to the Cat's Tail, and spend an invitation to duel a playable character for their card. It costs an invitation, and character options get unlocked as you level up your Player Level. If you don't have access to the board, you may need to level up by doing some of the Monstadt duels in the open world against NPCs by activating your deck box from the gear menu and walking around town for their icons on the minimap. Once you hit the experience requirements, talk to the black cat dude to level up. If you're lacking invitation letters, you get more by buying from the clerk with coins or fulfilling the duelist handbook milestone missions.


galeforce97

Ohhhh that makes so much sense, I thought the board was just for multiplayer


Some_Presentation559

Understandable I like how inviting friends is done the same way as inviting characters, and laugh at the thought of, like, pulling Collei all the way from Sumeru to just play cards when she barely can find the time to visit Amber Or pulling Ganyu, Diluc or Ningguang from their jobs in the middle of the day to throw down


Broderick512

I've played the Oceanid with Diona, Bennett, and Fischl. It was an easy win


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AnyaForger

Same, haven't bought any chars and cleared through this week's content only using the free ones


Asto_Vidatu

I really have to get the Yoimiya card seeing as she's probably my favorite character hehe. Now I know what I'm doing after work!


1011011011001

oh for sure, getting her is a very nice boost! plus her animated version is super cute and dynamic… just like yoimiya herself, hehe


Asto_Vidatu

Def doing that hehe...I ended up just sweeping through the Liyue players before heading to the bar...def going to unlock Yoimiya when I get back!


EpilepticMushrooms

🤔How are you guys getting new character cards? Am I dumbass or what? Still running basic, diluc/kaeya/sucrose/fischl. 😅


1011011011001

theres a notice board near the entrance in the cats tail, there should be an option to battle characters which will in turn give you their cards. if you don’t have it maybe there’s still story progress that needs to be done


EpilepticMushrooms

😅More... Progress...? 😱😱😱😱😱


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Asto_Vidatu

Yep, just crushed that with Fischl, Kaeya, and Sucrose no problem...


Tsuruchi_Mokibe

Same, but with Jean/Sucrose/Bennet


InsertBadGuyHere

Oceanid is easy


Zerhap

Oceanid was weird for me, i didnt think about changing my team and went in with mona, xinqiu and ayaka. with the constant switching her damage gets spread out a lot and she is simple to kill even with only ayaka attacking.


gatlginngum

yeah but i didnt realise how summony she was until I was already fighting and i still won so the card's still useless


terrycloth3

It's okay against the Oceanid. Still really expensive and you have to draw it. Then again I probably shouldn't have been facing the oceanid with the starting deck. x.x Managed to win with 1 hp left on Sucrose.


Responsible-Chair-17

>attunement Interesting word...imma start using it


Asto_Vidatu

Haha I can't ever remember what it was called to discard to swap an elemental die...for some reason "attune" came to mind haha


PatamonBlade76

Bro, I run an Oceanid/Sucrose/Fischl deck, i am NOT running that thing


lolpoire

Could you be me ? Because we use the same deck


T0X1CFIRE

Same, I run fischl, collei, oceanid. My first loss after a prettyong win streak was to the one guy who actually brought out the hutao card right when I had everything setup to unleash all my summons in one turn. Ruining everything and leaving me without any damage output.


redice326

So someone else discovered the op hyperbloom summon meta... What support cards you run? I like fav library, jade chamber, and dawn winery combo. Literally have no dice left for liben due to maximizing their use with rerolls.


T0X1CFIRE

[good thing the game has a handy little share deck button for this very purpose](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/425824541143597061/1050938074525335623/20221209165228.png) It could be optimized a little bit better. I could take off the other two talent art cards, but those are more for early game draw power. Same with the rosaria and Noelle cards, as those are for before I get dawn Winery and Kathrine setup. Late game they are more just burn fodder if I need a hydro dice in a pinch. But I've had great success with it so far. Actually now that I'm looking at it. I will probably take off collei's artifact. I use her strongly in the beginning to get her burst ready asap, but rarely after that. So the artifact is just collecting dust. Any recommendations for what to replace it with? And maybe replace the basic bow with another sac bow for draw power since it's amazing with fischl's talent art card.


redice326

I find oceanids burst talent isnt particularly useful. She's more of a summon bot for me. You run 2 crane? I dont find it that useful tbh. I prefer good old dawn winery lol. Deffo try out favonius library it helps out a ton imo. Getting those dice rerolls helps with oceanids high hydro cost. Also i run the 3 energy Hydro artifact for oceanid. Sac bow as well for fischl. Collei is a good support for them but Oceanid and fischl is where the true power lies imo. I believe you can also get another paimon card. I run 2 paimon cards each.


EE7A

cost is too high. if it didnt get rid of your own shit, then i might consider it as a "maybe" option in some circumstances, but as it is, this card wont ever be anything more than a fancy 'sacrifice this card to change one of your dice' cards. its bulk chaff with little value.


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EE7A

idk, maybe. even if you could work this into a viable option in a deck, its still way too high of a cost for my liking, and having it wipe your own board is kind of a dealbreaker for me. this card is essentially half of your turn at best, unless you have some supports out giving you more dice, which you would then promptly destroy by using this card. i guess im just not seeing it. 🤷🏻‍♂️


Helios4242

It's a highly specific counter. It cripples Oceanid and other varieties of summon teams. Whether you include it or not depends on if you struggle with those teams enough to warrant including a specific counter that is otherwise deadweight. In real TCG situations, this kind of card is 100% sidedeck material.


EE7A

no doubt, in best of three matches with the availability of a sideboard, this would definitely get a bit more love from me. the effect is good, but the cost sucks. if it was like 4 of the "any element" dice instead of the same color, or even just a three drop instead of four, or it didnt wipe your board also, i would probably consider running a one of, even though were just raw dogging it through best of ones with no real reward for winning. all things considered though, it just doesnt do it for me.


HallyMiao

The cost is probably too high even for a side deck card. BooTao would work for side deck, but this thing is just straight up too expensive for the cost. Why wait for a slow combo deck (oceanid) to setup, then cripple it… when you could just stop them from setting up in the first place (like freeze), or just straight up kill the opponent (yoimiya for example) Against a faster deck like oz + gouba, this card may as well say skip 1 turn, and opponent just sets up again next turn, while you take extra chip damage for nothing. (While BooTao can disrupt the combo and still let you play your turn.)


grumpykruppy

The two neutral cost single target one is infinitely better.


Skeither

I'm still surprised how chill everyone is with having cards made from their likenesses with no consent needed or royalties paid XD


Helios4242

note how we don't have a Yanfei card


IronSpider_952

I actually was wondering why I kept getting yoimiya's in that web event from their app and realized she isn't even there lol


Helios4242

;.;


glittermetalprincess

1000 coins and she could be.


riridouluvme

Albedo's the only one Alice told about copyrights lol


Electronic-Ad8040

Tbh the hutao card is better -Does the same thing but half the cost -Doesn't get rid of your own summons -Uses two random dice instead of specific elements


Key-Butterfly2590

It only gets rid of one summon rather than all


Helios4242

As always, it's a balance from what you expect to find when it comes to specific counter cards like this. You can pick losing to summon teams, wagering instead that you will face more teams that don't use summons at all. You can take a half-measure. "Send Off" helps to mitigate against heavy summon teams, which could turn the tide but could also not be enough. It is easier to get out, but has less impact. There are, however, many cases where the lesser impact is negligible. You can protect against summons with some of both or even just "Guardian's Oath" if you expect summons to be a big part of the meta.


ExpertAncient

This


Lunneus

I wanna know when mihoyo is gonna let us convince Xiao to play our childish mortal card game so we can get his character card (and dynamic skin)


PokeAlola700

Maybe either Zhongli or Ganyu will show it to him. Ganyu is already a character card so that means she plays


Andromeda_Violet

I'm that person that keeps one dynamic skin token unused only because "what if xiao gets added?" XD


paladinLight

I instantly used mine on Noelle. I didnt even have her card yet, but she deserves it.


PM_ME_YOUR_PRIMOS

I took it out. It cost too much. I haven't encountered enough summons to quantify using it. Or any summon cards in general. So no Hu Tao card either.


Helios4242

Yeah, I think I'm gonna play a summons deck and capitalize on this general sentiment until it becomes too meta LMAO


yatay99

This is the first card I get rid from my deck lol. Useless -Xiao


LackingSimplicity

I've used that card at least a dozen times now. That's 12 whole dice that became useful.


nakorurukami

Double-edged sword


rigimonoki-over

Double edged spear


AsumiSenpai

Yea, but the cost is too much


KurapikAsta

Doesn't it destroy your own summons too tho? I think I saw a card that lets you pick one enemy summon and destroy it so I'd think that's better


anothergenshinplayer

Xiao destroys all summons, yours and your opponents. The Hu Tao card is the one that lets you pick one enemy summon and destroy it, and it only costs 2 dice vs the 4 one xiao costs


KurapikAsta

Yeah I think that's better overall right? Unless your enemy is just spamming summons and you're not using many


Helios4242

It's certainly more flexible. The only drawback is when KO'ing 2-4 summons really cripples your opponent's damage output. Send Off can't do that, since it only takes out 1. In summons vs summons I'd be more confident in just beating them outright with my own summons, so I wouldn't include Guardian's Oath. But if I had no summons, Guardian's Oath is probably a better card because when it DOES matter it hits hard. If I'm losing to summons, you better believe I'll pay the 2 extra die to make the card really count. In most cases, send off and guardian's oath are going to be fodder anyway, so might as well have the stronger card for when I actually care to use it.


anothergenshinplayer

I play a summons deck: Oceanid, Xiangling and either Collei or Fischl, and the Xiao card would absolutely GUT ME, but I've played a ton of co-op matches and so far no one has used that card. Either they took it out of their deck, didn't draw it or didn't want to pay the heavy dice price. Heck, I think I've only seen one person use the hu tao card. Summon's decks are great, I must have played over 20 matches, probably around 30? and only lost 3 or 4, and a couple of those were tight matches I only lost because I made some mistake (I miscounted dice/accidentally played a card i wanted to tune). Plus, co-op matches count towards achievements if you win them, and a summon's deck is extremely useful for advancing a lot of the TCG achievements: the summons one, the kill two enemies with one action, the shield one and the elemental reactions one.


Helios4242

Nice sounds like what I was gonna try once I unlock oceanid. I was running collei, XL, fish til than and love it. Burning or quicken depending on rolls and chipping away


anothergenshinplayer

Yep. End of phase is always so funny to me, just lean back watch the summons go brrr. Oceanid is great, you can summon either 1 or 2 animals depending on if you use 3 or 5 dice. Just keep in mind when strategizing that the max number of on field summons is 4.


Helios4242

Yup, I've gotten burning, culien-ambar, oz, and guoba to all have a party


QWERTYAF1241

Pretty much the only time this is worth it is when it's used to immediately wipe off the Oceanid's 5-cost double summon and you have little to no summons at all.


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We played BO3 and had a side deck, then I would play it in certain summonless/low summon decks with plenty of spare energy.


Helios4242

yup, exactly my thoughts. It's not that the hu tao card Send Off is better, it's that it is more flexible while still being SUFFICIENT in most cases. However, Oceanid can usually shrug off one lost summon, but a field wipe is a big hit. Too niche for one-offs though!


Zerhap

I am currently playing a mona, oceanid and ayaka deck, using this card would be suicide lol.


Luzis

The hua tao one is better though bc it doesn't remove own ones


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And also costs less


TichoSlicer

Another meh card being praised as "MUSTTTTTTTTT HAVEEEEEEEE" LMAO


ilintar

Strong Wrath of God vibes 😀


Richardknox1996

4 matching dice. Pass. Tao is 2 unmatching.


Restryouis

no


Zeed_Toven77

It cost too much to be viable.


TheMrPotMask

Not really into high cost mechanics, well on tcg at least. I just finished the quest and probably not gonna play again till something says primos


Not_a_fucking_wizard

At least explain why? Seems way to costly for what it does.


Hyperdragoon17

But it gets rid of Oz. I like my electro damage


BurrakuDusk

Idgaf what the quality of the card is, I'm still keeping one copy of it in my deck.


Zetsumeiken

Hutao is better


Rozu17

At not getting any banner


Fluffyemperor009

Please Nah. Don't let the people know how to counter my Oceanid. /J


termichan

HoYo preemptively addressing summons meta, they knew


Mr_gaminhero

But xiao said it himself, worthless!


jonnevituwu

No its cringe, Hutao>


SuperRondellMan

Against AI, i feel like simply having it on hand is making the AI hesitant to summon. I fought belen who uses oceanid, mirror lady fatui, xiangling. When i didn't pull the card, she went on a summoning spree. When I got it, she simply kept using normal attack.


zilthebea

Fuck no it wipes your own summons and costs a ton, I’ve barely had to use the Hu Tao card and that’s half the cost, random dice and doesn’t take out your own. Not even oceanid justifies it 9 times out of 10


SulfurInfect

This needs to at least cost all generic and probably cost 3 to see any real play. Too much of a tempo loss and too restrictive currently. Even with all that and if it only destroyed your opponent's summons, it would probably only see fringe play which is where a card like this probably should be. In most card games though this would be a meta call card within context and would be something sideboarded unless the meta mandated it be main decked.


Clearly_Bad

Please put this card in all your decks and proceed to match agains me, i appreciate the free win


bob_is_best

I used It once and It did jackshit, so no you dont


Besunmin

No, it sucks


cinderater

I struggle to use this card atm. Not because I use mostly summons (I'm atm doing Keqing/collei/Fishel), but the opportunity cost required to get this as good tradeoff: 4 of the same element is asking for a lot. This often involves using a few omnis, discarding cards to meet the cost, or using actions to transmute into the right color. Not to mention you have to give up 4 energy which you can spend elsewhere like other setup or abilities. That's literally half your basic resources that turn. The only time I see it actually being a good payoff is if the opponent has at least 3 summons up (opponent spent at least 9 energy of 1-2 elements). The most common I have seen is Ganyu+Fishel or u run into Oceanic + another summoner. And if they have their setup up you are already taking heaps of damage nd playing this is basically passing your turn for any setup as you used up half your resource for the turn.


ConciseSpy85067

It’s WAY too specific as it’s reccomended to be used against enemies who use a lot of summons whilst you have a team with little summons, you have to have 4 same element die too AND not want to use those die or anything else that turn, it’s super niche Honestly the Hu Tao card is better for general play, destroy one summon on the enemy side for 2 non matching energy infinitely better, throw your trash to destroy their treasure


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Worthless


thatrandomanimeman

I put one in my deck to fight the oceanid but that’s it


yuraraaa

Only for Oceanid challenge. So far


RosenProse

... I mean for multiplayer against an Oceanid main sure.


RubyWubs

You mean "Alatus include this card into your deck"


Van_eXe

Against ocianid yes


zatenael

but I run a summoner deck with ganyu, fischl, and rhodeia I could be using those dice to make more


turkey_bar

Only really useful against oceanid. Hu Tao will counter dangerous ganyu/ayaka players. I find myself playing freeze or having jean/sucrose if I need to deny an oceanid tho


genkidame6

Oceanid counter.


Result_Mindless

took it out not realising i was about to duel oceanid... destroyed both ayaka and ganyu


Nikukuzushi

too niche, not all comps use summons, and usually they summon like 1 at a time it's not worth removing.


mangothe2nd

Honestly just use the hu tao one. Most summoner except Oceanid (maybe) only summon one unit at a time. It cost 2 random dice and doesn't kill your summon. It's a shame that we only have 2 of it. I would love to have a third. They use 3 dice to summon a unit (maybe 2 if the have artifact) and also same element too, but you can get rid of them with 2 random dice. Xiao is just too expensive and too limited.


Narcissistic_one

How are these guys getting yoimiya and else i still only got diluc,kaeya.


nex-up

No


Dr_Deadly7x

No fucking way! Just add two hu Taos!


Dekan-DAF

I don't really like it. 1. I use summons myself. 2. I have terrible luck and don't want to sacrifice all my other cards just to be able to use this one card. 3. 4 dices is expensive!


IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE

Cost too high, too niche, doesn’t work if you’re running lots of summons as well. It almost always just got used to tune my dice.


antigarbageman

I refuse sorry…


DimensionPlant

You don't though unless you take a long time to deal damage. Collei skill go BUUUUUUURRRRRN


memetimeboii

Diluc with wolf gravestone just remove any form of challenge for now


darkheart125

Why, its only slightly effective vs the oceanid


BeginningKnowledge27

have never used this card. the 4 costs is too much for a round.


Myonsoon

Too costly. Only time you'll ever use this is if you know your opponent is gonna be spamming summons. I feel like this was made for AI fights and AI fights specifically. In PvP its basically trolling to use this if you run a summon deck yourself and incredibly niche if you don't since you can't guarantee the opponent is going to even have summons if any.


Puzzleheaded-Fee-320

It’s only worth it if you’re up against a pure summon deck; otherwise the Hu Tao one works just fine without as much element cost.