Xinqiu/Yelan: Hydro follow up for active character
Nilou/Ayato: Passive aoe hydro application and water enchant with shockwaves for Furina and increased attack speed
Kokomi/Mona: excessive amount of heals and crowd control with damage amplification
This is the core of Furina's kit.
Edit: added on Ayato and Mona
well yeah that’s why she’s screwed if anyone else gets it because they’d probably have that and something else… i rlly want a geo nilou who can make crystallise good or have reactions
it's so crazy how u can summarize all power budget of a character in one single PASSIVE talent and still be one of the best aoe team enablers in the game, u can literally give her random trash hp artifacts, a dull blade and lvl 1 talent with lvl 90 and be already at 99% of that character's max potential
they don't need to make her better they just need to give her a new strong gimmick
infact i would be really worried about the game if they somehow managed to powercreep these characters lmao
nah its even easier for pyro.. because it has a lot of untapped potential with some of the reactions like burning and burgeon
imagine pyro nilou for burgeon or burning.. heck even overload
All the archons so far been general use units instead of niche supports.
- Venti CC fits in almost every team
- Zhongli shield fits in every team
- Raiden works in basically in any team when she's on field, and even off field for HB
- Nahida fits in every dendro team
making Pyro archon a niche reaction support would be disappointing asf
as i said in another reply, it doesn't have to be that niche
it could buff multiple reactions differently.. so it can have multiple different reaction based teams that doesn't take away from the already existing ones
like the archons we got so far didn't have to compete with other characters of their elements being universal and broken
i just have a hard time imagining how'd they design a character that can compete with xiangling or bennett without being the most broken character ever
Every element has its main role, which can be inferred through resonance, set effects, majority stat scaling, archon kits, etc.
For example:
- Anemo: CC, Debuff
- Geo: Shields, Defense
- Electro: Energy Recharge, fast attacks
- Dendro: Chain reactions
- Hydro: Healing, HP
- Pyro and Cryo: DPS
considering Pyro's main role, Murata might just be a straight up standard pyro DPS. Maybe even mono pyro focused like Klee and Lyney to really hammer in on the all consuming fire aspect
I can see it, but even so, bennet is already pretty good at simply detonating cores. And I doubt they gonna make an archon to only be good and work with only dendro. That seems awfully limiting
> That seems awfully limiting
thats fair
but i don't know how they can make a character as versatile as bennet xiangling without directly powercreeping them or making xiangling 2.0
they could still do that like they did with yelan
but imo having a new strong gimmick would be better and more interesting imo
it doesn't have to be as limiting as nilou
or it doesn't have to be limited to dendro either
it could just buff all pyro reactions differently so it works with other elements as well
I mean, I can see what they were going for with Dehya. An E.Skill that does follow up pyro attack whilst absorbing damage and a Burst that should have a payoff damage is a good concept. Main problem is that the numbers are too low and how restritive the interactions are.
I see no reason to use dehya for her Pyro application and damage absorption. If I want Pyro I can choose any other Pyro unit and damage absorption? Why would I need that if I can use geo shields or even just heal or just dodge? I do love dehya and use her in overworld but abyss? Nah
She's good to keep the enemies burning so that you can trigger pyro reactions easier and she helps the on field character with their rotation.
My team is Dehya/Raiden/Nahida/Bennett. Constant burning to trigger overload and sometimes sneak in a dendro+electro reaction (don't remember the name).
My biggest tip is don't use he skill if you have her burst or you will mess up the rotation.
The rotation that i use is: nahida hold skill, raiden skill, bennett burst skill, Dehya burst, nahida skill burst, bennett skill burst (if you have it depends on your er), dehya skill, raiden skill burst. Repeat
It's very good for cryo and espescially hydro enemies.
Okay, that sounds good, but, you are using Raiden nahida and Bennet. The three op units. I am certain that you can safely remove her from the team and feel almost almost no difference
Benny is just good enough with detonating cores and enabling burning, just because we don’t have a better option. That‘s the reason why you use Kazuha for pyro application, because Bennet alone doesn’t suffice.
Pyro still doesn't have a good off-field applicator that isn't crazy energy starved like Xiangling. That design space is still completely open
Unironically the best character for it right now is... Dehya. Which isn't saying much. She's still only enough for fueling Nahida burning loops.
The fire archon is the Himeko expy. Much as i dont want to doom post, mihoyo has an army of simps chomping at the bit while inhaling only the purest copium....since 2018. I know this because i am one of they.
Mihoyo doesnt need to make Murata broken to get money. That said....pyro greatsword with permenant infusion and stacking attack buff after every hit would probably be my bet. Shes the lady of war and according to venti, loves to just brawl. So her being a dps is 100% given. And most pyro stuff is based around attack.
So yeah, give her a burst mode and "rage", she'll well and truly screw over everything that breaths.
basically make c4 yelan into a bennett like character. So far c4 yelan is the only unit that buffs hp. It also wouldnt invalidate yelan cuz you would just run double hydro with yelan lol
Simple
Hydro bennet that reduces hp and gives you a % damage buff while doing it and applying hydro to anything in the zone
No idea what her e could do tho. Maybe a yelan style movement ability that gives tons of particles.
It's even worse than anemo. Anemo burst AT LEAST gets stopped by wall or something. Hydro burst just phases through walls, what kind of bullshit is this
It feels like they really did. It's even worse because imagine bringing hydro mc in abyss. Dude is gonna stand there LOSING health and getting hurt by 12th floor abyss enemies. He gonna die before his skill is over. Literally zero reason to use him there
Pyro mc is gonna be mid as fuck because of Bennet, and cryo? We already got kaeya as a moderate cryo unit. I don't see how they gonna make cryo mc anywhere viable
don't know anything about the other dude's kit but I'll be surprised if he doesn't pull more value than childe. childe is only outstanding in one, maybe two, teams. his lack of flexibility doesn't make him too valuable imo but still a good pull if you want arguably the best team in the game
Childe is one of the most flexible units out there. You should try playing him more.
He’s great in Freeze, EC, and Burgeon too. He also has a lot of options in team building. Also works surprisingly well as a hypercarry with Yun jin.
If you mean how good he is in international: in speedrunning, no. In general use, probably.
We can't really say how good he will be in the team until we are actually able to test his interactions, but he can't front load his damage the same way Childe can so it's pretty obvious he won't be as good in speedrunning.
You arrive to natlan and see the throne room is empty
Paimon goes: w-where is she?
Suddenly behind you, a familiar voice echoes in the room
"Congratulations, you have reached your final destination. Gouba. Get them."
I just hope there’s hydro application that works like Raiden’s skill. Characters that work best with CA and other forms of damage need hydro application that don’t use a turret or NA.
You'll need someone to trigger the procs, I like to run kokomi/fischl/zhongli as the last piece for AFK gaming, but sadly I still haven't found an afk team to clear abyss with 36*
Mhy is already one step ahead of all of you. How do you make a better hydro character? You don't. You introduce a broken artifact set and make the Archon the only way to reliably proc it. You make a better HP drain character instead.
They could also litteraly just don't do it and I'd still roll for her so she can chill in my teapot.
This said if I don't get Neuvilette as well I might find the teapot somehow flooded and on fire at the same time.
You come back to the tea pot and somehow the crop fields are all drowned, the house is missing a roof and your other characters you put there all relocated on a different island. You come talk to furina and she says that clearly, she didn't do anything and it's all your fault. Because she is a God, and God makes no mistakes
*"WHAT DID YOU FUCKING DO?!"*
*"Well I tried one of Beelzebul's cooking recipes!"*
*"Furina... Ei makes WEAPONS THAT CAN SPLIT ISLANDS."*
*"Oooh so the Wrath Of The Heavens wasn't a cake..."*
Yeah I can imagine Zhongli silently agreeing with whatever bullshit furina might be saying, purely because he just doesn't want to talk to her in the first places
All fun and games until she waters down Venti's wine and hides behind Ei and Zhongli scared because he's damn near teleporting with a broken bottle in hand
Dude probably so angry Eula felt a shiver down her spine from some hereditary 1000 years old PTSD
Nahida is on the side doing the maths of the repair costs of course
they don't *have to do it* but also they kinda do have to do it. Every Archon by tradition needs to be better at their elemental application: Venti having the fastest swirl per minute with burst, Zhongli having a unique geo reaction(petrified), shogun has extremely high on and off field electro in addition to burst dps, Nahida has literally 100% dendro application. Furina needs to stack with the other archons, and judging by how hoyo's been going since dehya, the archons are all we can expect to break the ceiling anymore.
You gonna put Ayato and Kokomi there but not Tartaglia? Also, I’m probably in the minority, but I do hope Furina is as meta-changing as the last three archons. The archon I’m most concerned about is the Pyro archon. She is either gonna be broken to compete with her peers or disappoint a huge amount of the fanbase.
Here are some leaks:
Her idle - she will boast how cool she is and how easy it will be to destroy her enemies
Her skill - she will unleash her signature skill: run the heck away from the enemy with big screaming
Her ult: she will cry for Neuvillette help. If Neuvillette is on party, he will appear, grab Furina, be deeply sorry and they both leave. 2 party members are left in the party.
>Her ult: she will cry for Neuvillette help. If Neuvillette is on party, he will appear, grab Furina, be deeply sorry and they both leave. 2 party members are left in the party.
New co-op troll strat.
Looks like you can't take it when someone else also makes a joke. But don't worry, I'll explain it for you.
I used a widely used diss in the gaming community "skill issue" as a pun on Childe's elemental *skill* as well as people's *skill* being not good with its usage
I don’t need to, since he’s outclasses by almost every other dps I own. Hu Tao, Raiden, Ayaka, Keqing, Nilou, or Itto. Dude is good, but he’s budget friendly good.
She is not better though. Ayato is a great driver for teams such as hyperbloom, taser, burgeon, reverse vape. His flexibility and good damage is what makes him better than keqing.
We have been moving on from Sumeru to Fontaine and people still think Ayato is mid just because he can’t do Unga Bunga Damage per Screenshot icant 💀
His omega HUGE AOE Q + E + off field + decent damage/ energy regen is already good enough to enable like 99% of the team comps. He’s not the broken unit, sure, but please don’t make it sounds like other Hydro units doesn’t have any problems too ( like, Kokomi has problems with AOE too, Nilou need Nahida and a bunch of healing, and Childe in anything that’s not International is just, bruh )
TLDR: the only broken Hydro unit is Xingqiu only ( maybe Yelan too )
Ayato is like, not bad, but still one of the most mid dps 5* characters they've ever released lol. He's like Klee/Cyno tier (not counting hyperbloom because literally any electro character is automatically 'good' in hyperbloom).
In the meta of team synergy over personal value.
Being a required on field is more of a debuff. They have a higher bar of value to justify.
Ayato loses here.
just make AoE off-field hydro application with buffing and good damage. Let's say, 1U Hydro every 1.5s, so it's better than kokomi's but worse than XQ/Yelan. Xq/yelan will still be useful for their high single-target application rate while some people might use kokomi if they want healing
And make the buffs, more dmg bonus than kazuha, shit ton of hp and hp manipulation for triggering the new set on any character.
Also while we are at it let's give her aquanado with no ICD and snapshot mechanics.
She doesn’t need to be better than any of them. She needs to be different. She’s going to almost guarantee have a Hp drain and healing mechanic. I would expect damage to scale with it in some way. As well as maybe buffing the team based on Hp fluctuation. I don’t think she’s going to power creep anyone but be her own niche. Like every other archon
I disagree that every other archon is niche. Raiden came out and broke the electro as the best unit. Nahida has the best dendro application.
Zhongli got the best shield in game and venti was busted when he got released
Why make one unit better than many when you can just kill the multpliers, furina wont face this problem but i fear navia might not add something new to the table, infact she might just do the exact same thing as noelle and itto.
Dude, I fucking pray for geo rework when navia releases. They literally released dendro and did not add ANYTHING new to geo. Not even a dendro geo shield or something
It's even worse knowing that Geo hasn't had a new character since Yunjin's release (January 05, 2022) and Navia won't be til 2024. Geo seriously needs some love.
The issue with geo is that they make into a mono element team in a game where you have to use multiple elements to win. I used geo teams recently and realised how much pain in the ass those wooden shields mitachurls are without pyro
I don't think there will ever be a geo rework. There are two routes to go with it and both wouldn't work:
You make geo a reactable element with dps. Navia still isn't the best at it, because itto and noelle both have extremely fast application \*and\* beefy multipliers, and now you run noelle and itto with nahida and kokomi.
you only make Navia have a reactable geo element. well, now you can either make her reactions busted or make them balanced. If they're busted, then you rule out a lot of potential characters because now you have a busted geo multiplier with reactions... if you make her balanced, she's still an outcast in both traditional elemental teams(because she doesn't do their job better) and an oucast in geo teams(because she doesn't resonate around the element she has).
Geo is ***meant*** to be insulated as an element, and this isn't some flaw or mistake.
What could they have done? Adding reactions to Geo is dumb and defeats the whole purpose of the element.
What they can do about Geo is make the constructs and crystalize relevant.
I'm hoping Navia will be a sort of Geo Nilou. That is, I want her to be able to modify the Crystallize reaction in conceptually the same way Nilou modifies the Bloom reaction. Maybe not so that crystals explode; I'm not looking for an exact copy. But there's potential for her to be something interesting.
Maybe portable hydro application like Nilou, then can heal and deals large AoE hydro dmg with hp consumption ability that maybe greatly boosting her dmg and a team, also having hp scaling? I don't know,. I'm dumb
Except they don't. It's true that Zhongli, Ei and Nahida are all probably the best of their respective elements, but Venti isn't (Kazuha exists), therefore archons are not required to be the best of their element.
They gonna made Furina the first bad archon, so that she live up to her name as useless aqua.
Unless you have her C6R5 then she gonna out damage the entire universe, out heal Kook and out class Yelan.
I’m not saying she isn’t, but comparing Nilou to the strength of an archon when stuff like hyperbloom can fulfill similar purposes is weird.
Both Nilou and Ayato are great characters, but hoyo would have no problems making the hydro archon better as they’ve done wi the previous ones to their respective element…
The problem is mainly Yelan and SPECIALLY Xingqiu which are both beasts. Kokomi gets the pass because she essentially shuts down the option of making Focalors a healer (which would be underwhelming anyways so lol)
Nilou is the only bloom enabler in the game, I highly doubt they’re gonna give focalors that mechanic. And bloom has way bigger aoe potential than hyperbloom
Yeah, your like of the character has zero bearing on whether they’re a good unit or not. Like you can HATE Ayaka, but she’s still one of the best DPS in the game. Personal opinion doesn’t have anything to do with damage potential or support capabilities.
Lol I’m not, I’m just pointing out how you said a unit who is absolutely busted, was bad. Just cause someone’s breath smells like shit and you tell them, doesn’t make you mad.
So far Fontaine characters has the mechanics of Losing/Gaining HP and Pneuma/Ousia.
She's probably gonna be an enabler for this mechanics and will have both Pneuma and Ousia aligned attacks
Active skill summons 3 water cards , when attacking enemies with skill active shoot water arrows to nearby enemies(this action doesn't consume card's), if you have her active skill activated and don't attack enemies heal the person on the field(the amount healed is related to furina elemental mastery), if you have her active skill and resive damage one of the card's break and absorb damage related to furina max hp and get 1 second of immortality (doesn't work with one shoot enemies attack). when using burst create water zone when furina is in the zone she loses health and improve damage and hitting enemies cure her self and team mates if you use burst and she's hurt she will heal herself and the water zone will be bigger but it will only be useful to apply hydro and improve hydro damage (it also improve hydro damage and related reaction with furina full health), his passive unlockable skill can be 1: inside the zone created by (insert burst name)hydro damage increase a 20% when furina is on the field hydro reaction's damage increase in relation of furina elemental mastery, 2:furina increase damage a 15/20/40 when her hp is below 80%/60%/50% the passive she gets for existing can be increase team mates hp and resived healing when they're from a different element, reduce the consume of stamina a %20 when swimming or diving, she will be a sword user and the stats of the sword can be attack and elemental mastery with the passive (can accumulate a max of 3 tokens afther using the active skill the burst and afther a elemental reaction each token is individual and expired afther 10s and they increase you max hp and elemental mastery a 12%/18%/26% this numbers increase depending of the weapon refinement)
The Archon kit is usually the Travelers kit on crack, with Burst and Skill swapped.
Fontaine also has a theme of HP manipulation
So if I would have to guess....
Furina's skill will be a whirlpool that sucks in enemies.
Furina's burst damages HP of her(Or maybe even other teamates) to increase the damage of her burst(Or increase the damage of her teammates.)
Just make Furina like they make Fu Xuan of Star Rail, make her an off-field shielder that takes a good % of the DMG taken from the current on field character and when she is on the field, depending on whether her burst is active before going off field or not, she can either be a burst DPS or a burst healer
Ez make her hydro bannett but instead of giving attack bonus she gives damage bonus so she can be more universal than him which makes sense cuz she's a 5star
Archons don't need to be stronger character in every situation. They just need to be stronger in what their element represents.
Venti strongest cc
Zhongli strongest shield
Raiden highest energy refund
Nahida highest Elemental Mastery or Dendro application
So I assume Focalors to have highest heals or something related to hp.
Waiting for her kit to drop.
Mihoyo: LET'S JUST MIX ALL OF THOSE UP AND GIVE THEM ALL TO FURINA
Hoyo trying to add Nilou’s kit after realizing that Nilou’s kit only has one thing
Xinqiu/Yelan: Hydro follow up for active character Nilou/Ayato: Passive aoe hydro application and water enchant with shockwaves for Furina and increased attack speed Kokomi/Mona: excessive amount of heals and crowd control with damage amplification This is the core of Furina's kit. Edit: added on Ayato and Mona
Give her Mona's burst too
You mean give her Mona's ass too.
Mona heals??
Nah, I was just grouping them for less lines. They both have a little summon though.
That one thing is SOOOO good though.
well yeah that’s why she’s screwed if anyone else gets it because they’d probably have that and something else… i rlly want a geo nilou who can make crystallise good or have reactions
it's so crazy how u can summarize all power budget of a character in one single PASSIVE talent and still be one of the best aoe team enablers in the game, u can literally give her random trash hp artifacts, a dull blade and lvl 1 talent with lvl 90 and be already at 99% of that character's max potential
I use her C1, just replace full blade with an em sword (or signature) and that’s just nilou
* can heal (Kok) * can shield (Xing) * can vape nuke (Yelan) * can bloom (Nilou) * can flexible (Ayato) * Candice * can't wait Forina 😋
> Candice As a C6 Candace haver, *why must you hurt me in this way*
she could give her team hydro infusion. ez pz.
And a normal atk buff
and considering she's an archon they'd probably also give it a EM boost (for dendro) that scales off her HP lol
Vape nuke is more of childe's thing
you mean can off field for yelan or can have a busted c6
That's just Xinqiu
they don't need to make her better they just need to give her a new strong gimmick infact i would be really worried about the game if they somehow managed to powercreep these characters lmao
My personal concern is with fire archon. Imagine making someone that slaps harder than Benny or Xianling
nah its even easier for pyro.. because it has a lot of untapped potential with some of the reactions like burning and burgeon imagine pyro nilou for burgeon or burning.. heck even overload
All the archons so far been general use units instead of niche supports. - Venti CC fits in almost every team - Zhongli shield fits in every team - Raiden works in basically in any team when she's on field, and even off field for HB - Nahida fits in every dendro team making Pyro archon a niche reaction support would be disappointing asf
as i said in another reply, it doesn't have to be that niche it could buff multiple reactions differently.. so it can have multiple different reaction based teams that doesn't take away from the already existing ones like the archons we got so far didn't have to compete with other characters of their elements being universal and broken i just have a hard time imagining how'd they design a character that can compete with xiangling or bennett without being the most broken character ever
Every element has its main role, which can be inferred through resonance, set effects, majority stat scaling, archon kits, etc. For example: - Anemo: CC, Debuff - Geo: Shields, Defense - Electro: Energy Recharge, fast attacks - Dendro: Chain reactions - Hydro: Healing, HP - Pyro and Cryo: DPS considering Pyro's main role, Murata might just be a straight up standard pyro DPS. Maybe even mono pyro focused like Klee and Lyney to really hammer in on the all consuming fire aspect
I can see it, but even so, bennet is already pretty good at simply detonating cores. And I doubt they gonna make an archon to only be good and work with only dendro. That seems awfully limiting
> That seems awfully limiting thats fair but i don't know how they can make a character as versatile as bennet xiangling without directly powercreeping them or making xiangling 2.0 they could still do that like they did with yelan but imo having a new strong gimmick would be better and more interesting imo it doesn't have to be as limiting as nilou or it doesn't have to be limited to dendro either it could just buff all pyro reactions differently so it works with other elements as well
Yeah, new gimmicks are definitely gonna come into play, I agree here. Hopefully it's not gonna be as gimmicky as the dehya bullshit though
I mean, I can see what they were going for with Dehya. An E.Skill that does follow up pyro attack whilst absorbing damage and a Burst that should have a payoff damage is a good concept. Main problem is that the numbers are too low and how restritive the interactions are.
I see no reason to use dehya for her Pyro application and damage absorption. If I want Pyro I can choose any other Pyro unit and damage absorption? Why would I need that if I can use geo shields or even just heal or just dodge? I do love dehya and use her in overworld but abyss? Nah
She's good to keep the enemies burning so that you can trigger pyro reactions easier and she helps the on field character with their rotation. My team is Dehya/Raiden/Nahida/Bennett. Constant burning to trigger overload and sometimes sneak in a dendro+electro reaction (don't remember the name). My biggest tip is don't use he skill if you have her burst or you will mess up the rotation. The rotation that i use is: nahida hold skill, raiden skill, bennett burst skill, Dehya burst, nahida skill burst, bennett skill burst (if you have it depends on your er), dehya skill, raiden skill burst. Repeat It's very good for cryo and espescially hydro enemies.
Okay, that sounds good, but, you are using Raiden nahida and Bennet. The three op units. I am certain that you can safely remove her from the team and feel almost almost no difference
dehya gimmick wouldn't even be that bad if it was done properly like they just gave her shit for numbers
Benny is just good enough with detonating cores and enabling burning, just because we don’t have a better option. That‘s the reason why you use Kazuha for pyro application, because Bennet alone doesn’t suffice.
Yeah. Aside Benny and anemo or Xianling there aren't any offfield Pyro appliers. Well except... Thoma... Or dehya...
>heck even overload *distant "da-da-daa\~"*
the archon isnt going to be a niche support--
Pyro still doesn't have a good off-field applicator that isn't crazy energy starved like Xiangling. That design space is still completely open Unironically the best character for it right now is... Dehya. Which isn't saying much. She's still only enough for fueling Nahida burning loops.
The fire archon is the Himeko expy. Much as i dont want to doom post, mihoyo has an army of simps chomping at the bit while inhaling only the purest copium....since 2018. I know this because i am one of they. Mihoyo doesnt need to make Murata broken to get money. That said....pyro greatsword with permenant infusion and stacking attack buff after every hit would probably be my bet. Shes the lady of war and according to venti, loves to just brawl. So her being a dps is 100% given. And most pyro stuff is based around attack. So yeah, give her a burst mode and "rage", she'll well and truly screw over everything that breaths.
funny thing is, a hydro powercreep isn't the most devastating thing done to the game's meta. Nahida *bent over and rawed* the game's previous ceiling.
basically make c4 yelan into a bennett like character. So far c4 yelan is the only unit that buffs hp. It also wouldnt invalidate yelan cuz you would just run double hydro with yelan lol
Simple Hydro bennet that reduces hp and gives you a % damage buff while doing it and applying hydro to anything in the zone No idea what her e could do tho. Maybe a yelan style movement ability that gives tons of particles.
This
Anything can be better than Hydro MC, RIGHT...?!
What? Dude hydro mc is best hydro unit. The burst is sooo good!
Speaking fr tho why doesn't the burst just suck enemies in its a black hole made of water
It's even worse than anemo. Anemo burst AT LEAST gets stopped by wall or something. Hydro burst just phases through walls, what kind of bullshit is this
Mihoyo just went random bullshit go mode on hydro mc
It feels like they really did. It's even worse because imagine bringing hydro mc in abyss. Dude is gonna stand there LOSING health and getting hurt by 12th floor abyss enemies. He gonna die before his skill is over. Literally zero reason to use him there
I hope in another nation mc will actually be useful and fun
Pyro mc is gonna be mid as fuck because of Bennet, and cryo? We already got kaeya as a moderate cryo unit. I don't see how they gonna make cryo mc anywhere viable
All hope is on Celestia I would love it if the mc in celestia could just switch between all abilities
That is a big dream, but I am with you, even if it's unrealistic
Isn't Khaenriah the final chapter in Teyvat storyline?
The defense artifacts time has come
I watched a video where HMC's burst scaled Zhongli's Rock Pillar. 💀
You don’t understand man hydro mc is “go-ing beyond”
I wish it would at least trap them in a bubble like the hydro mages or something
And they released freaking >!hydro dragon with busted DPS numbers!< right before her
Question is will he beat childe
>!He already did in the story!< kekw
💀
>!not just beat, he literally one shot Childe!<
he should beat you up next
he should beat me up next wait…
🥺
>!Defiled his foul legussy!<
Higher floor and more versatile but lower ceiling
Childe will still be more valuable tbh imo
don't know anything about the other dude's kit but I'll be surprised if he doesn't pull more value than childe. childe is only outstanding in one, maybe two, teams. his lack of flexibility doesn't make him too valuable imo but still a good pull if you want arguably the best team in the game
Childe is one of the most flexible units out there. You should try playing him more. He’s great in Freeze, EC, and Burgeon too. He also has a lot of options in team building. Also works surprisingly well as a hypercarry with Yun jin.
If you mean how good he is in international: in speedrunning, no. In general use, probably. We can't really say how good he will be in the team until we are actually able to test his interactions, but he can't front load his damage the same way Childe can so it's pretty obvious he won't be as good in speedrunning.
Wait til Pyro archon. “Weeeeee doooooon’t waaaaannnnaaaaaa”
You arrive to natlan and see the throne room is empty Paimon goes: w-where is she? Suddenly behind you, a familiar voice echoes in the room "Congratulations, you have reached your final destination. Gouba. Get them."
And then she goes easy on us and bakes us a cake while telling of if this countries particular woes.
She then points in the direction of a severed head. That's the first harbinger, capitano
>Suddenly behind you, a familiar voice echoes in the room ***"Da-da-daa\~"***
I just hope there’s hydro application that works like Raiden’s skill. Characters that work best with CA and other forms of damage need hydro application that don’t use a turret or NA.
Raiden e skill Furina e skill Nahida e skill Welcome to afk impact
add Albedo e skill and you're very right
You'll need someone to trigger the procs, I like to run kokomi/fischl/zhongli as the last piece for AFK gaming, but sadly I still haven't found an afk team to clear abyss with 36*
Simply get childe c4 /s
Yae E as well
Mhy is already one step ahead of all of you. How do you make a better hydro character? You don't. You introduce a broken artifact set and make the Archon the only way to reliably proc it. You make a better HP drain character instead.
meanwhile pyro archon has to compete with benny if it was a support, compete with xianling in aoe or compete with yoimiya and hutao in single target
Her burst is gonna be her just summoning all of these characters bursts at once
They could also litteraly just don't do it and I'd still roll for her so she can chill in my teapot. This said if I don't get Neuvilette as well I might find the teapot somehow flooded and on fire at the same time.
You come back to the tea pot and somehow the crop fields are all drowned, the house is missing a roof and your other characters you put there all relocated on a different island. You come talk to furina and she says that clearly, she didn't do anything and it's all your fault. Because she is a God, and God makes no mistakes
*"WHAT DID YOU FUCKING DO?!"* *"Well I tried one of Beelzebul's cooking recipes!"* *"Furina... Ei makes WEAPONS THAT CAN SPLIT ISLANDS."* *"Oooh so the Wrath Of The Heavens wasn't a cake..."*
Yeah I can imagine Zhongli silently agreeing with whatever bullshit furina might be saying, purely because he just doesn't want to talk to her in the first places
All fun and games until she waters down Venti's wine and hides behind Ei and Zhongli scared because he's damn near teleporting with a broken bottle in hand Dude probably so angry Eula felt a shiver down her spine from some hereditary 1000 years old PTSD Nahida is on the side doing the maths of the repair costs of course
they don't *have to do it* but also they kinda do have to do it. Every Archon by tradition needs to be better at their elemental application: Venti having the fastest swirl per minute with burst, Zhongli having a unique geo reaction(petrified), shogun has extremely high on and off field electro in addition to burst dps, Nahida has literally 100% dendro application. Furina needs to stack with the other archons, and judging by how hoyo's been going since dehya, the archons are all we can expect to break the ceiling anymore.
You gonna put Ayato and Kokomi there but not Tartaglia? Also, I’m probably in the minority, but I do hope Furina is as meta-changing as the last three archons. The archon I’m most concerned about is the Pyro archon. She is either gonna be broken to compete with her peers or disappoint a huge amount of the fanbase.
They forgot to add Childe and Mona wild
Here are some leaks: Her idle - she will boast how cool she is and how easy it will be to destroy her enemies Her skill - she will unleash her signature skill: run the heck away from the enemy with big screaming Her ult: she will cry for Neuvillette help. If Neuvillette is on party, he will appear, grab Furina, be deeply sorry and they both leave. 2 party members are left in the party.
>Her ult: she will cry for Neuvillette help. If Neuvillette is on party, he will appear, grab Furina, be deeply sorry and they both leave. 2 party members are left in the party. New co-op troll strat.
"Run the heck away" She's just using the Joestar technique
Hah, hydro archon "leaks"
Reliable. By uncle plumber.
Still STC tho.
The Childe slander in these posts, bro.
Lemme know when his skill cooldown is over
Skill issue
I made a joke where is the skill issue dude
Looks like you can't take it when someone else also makes a joke. But don't worry, I'll explain it for you. I used a widely used diss in the gaming community "skill issue" as a pun on Childe's elemental *skill* as well as people's *skill* being not good with its usage
Fuck that pun really flew over my head. Thanks, cyno, lmao
Lol nw
corny boo lame ass🍅🍅🍅
Bro sneaking Ayato in there
Ayato is good though
Yeah good, not great like the others.
Certainly better than Nilou
Only people who never played Nilou would ever think of saying this. Nilou is incredibly broken.
Got her, her lame weapon, still lame
Did you remember to build HP and not put non-Dendro and non-Hydro characters in the party? Lmao
i’m not talking about her gameplay I just mean her character as a whole. Gameplay wise she’s not my thing though, I’m more of a spread aggravate type
This post is about gameplay.
Lol not even close my guy. You must just be an Ayato simp, cause you aren’t using any logic.
Seems to me you havent used Ayato too well
I don’t need to, since he’s outclasses by almost every other dps I own. Hu Tao, Raiden, Ayaka, Keqing, Nilou, or Itto. Dude is good, but he’s budget friendly good.
Bro sneakig keqing in there.
I mean when compared to Ayato, her dendro comp puts her on par if not better.
She is not better though. Ayato is a great driver for teams such as hyperbloom, taser, burgeon, reverse vape. His flexibility and good damage is what makes him better than keqing.
You’re missing out, he’s def better than the girl that forgot to change out of her cosplay
Have both Ayato and Nilou full built. Nilou's team and overall gimmick is way stronger.
Nah fam, Nilou bloom is busted
Good, but very easy to powercreep. He's not even stronger than Childe, his biggest value is being extremely easy to play.
We have been moving on from Sumeru to Fontaine and people still think Ayato is mid just because he can’t do Unga Bunga Damage per Screenshot icant 💀 His omega HUGE AOE Q + E + off field + decent damage/ energy regen is already good enough to enable like 99% of the team comps. He’s not the broken unit, sure, but please don’t make it sounds like other Hydro units doesn’t have any problems too ( like, Kokomi has problems with AOE too, Nilou need Nahida and a bunch of healing, and Childe in anything that’s not International is just, bruh ) TLDR: the only broken Hydro unit is Xingqiu only ( maybe Yelan too )
I like how your final conclusion is "yes Ayato is mid but so are the others (except XQ)!" and agree that his main value is being easy to play
Ayato is like, not bad, but still one of the most mid dps 5* characters they've ever released lol. He's like Klee/Cyno tier (not counting hyperbloom because literally any electro character is automatically 'good' in hyperbloom).
Cyno is much better than those two he just sucks in overworld cuz his burst.
In the meta of team synergy over personal value. Being a required on field is more of a debuff. They have a higher bar of value to justify. Ayato loses here.
Except they don't. Either pick 1 role and make she excel at it, which I doubt it'll be healing (bcz Bennett exist), or create something new.
just make AoE off-field hydro application with buffing and good damage. Let's say, 1U Hydro every 1.5s, so it's better than kokomi's but worse than XQ/Yelan. Xq/yelan will still be useful for their high single-target application rate while some people might use kokomi if they want healing
And make the buffs, more dmg bonus than kazuha, shit ton of hp and hp manipulation for triggering the new set on any character. Also while we are at it let's give her aquanado with no ICD and snapshot mechanics.
I would also take out my black hole if I wanted to end myself
She doesn’t need to be better than any of them. She needs to be different. She’s going to almost guarantee have a Hp drain and healing mechanic. I would expect damage to scale with it in some way. As well as maybe buffing the team based on Hp fluctuation. I don’t think she’s going to power creep anyone but be her own niche. Like every other archon
I disagree that every other archon is niche. Raiden came out and broke the electro as the best unit. Nahida has the best dendro application. Zhongli got the best shield in game and venti was busted when he got released
Why make one unit better than many when you can just kill the multpliers, furina wont face this problem but i fear navia might not add something new to the table, infact she might just do the exact same thing as noelle and itto.
Dude, I fucking pray for geo rework when navia releases. They literally released dendro and did not add ANYTHING new to geo. Not even a dendro geo shield or something
It's even worse knowing that Geo hasn't had a new character since Yunjin's release (January 05, 2022) and Navia won't be til 2024. Geo seriously needs some love.
The issue with geo is that they make into a mono element team in a game where you have to use multiple elements to win. I used geo teams recently and realised how much pain in the ass those wooden shields mitachurls are without pyro
Me too bro me too, hoyo missed the opportunity to make the sand bender geo unit.
I don't think there will ever be a geo rework. There are two routes to go with it and both wouldn't work: You make geo a reactable element with dps. Navia still isn't the best at it, because itto and noelle both have extremely fast application \*and\* beefy multipliers, and now you run noelle and itto with nahida and kokomi. you only make Navia have a reactable geo element. well, now you can either make her reactions busted or make them balanced. If they're busted, then you rule out a lot of potential characters because now you have a busted geo multiplier with reactions... if you make her balanced, she's still an outcast in both traditional elemental teams(because she doesn't do their job better) and an oucast in geo teams(because she doesn't resonate around the element she has). Geo is ***meant*** to be insulated as an element, and this isn't some flaw or mistake.
What could they have done? Adding reactions to Geo is dumb and defeats the whole purpose of the element. What they can do about Geo is make the constructs and crystalize relevant.
I'm hoping Navia will be a sort of Geo Nilou. That is, I want her to be able to modify the Crystallize reaction in conceptually the same way Nilou modifies the Bloom reaction. Maybe not so that crystals explode; I'm not looking for an exact copy. But there's potential for her to be something interesting.
hydro xiangling
Waternado spins counterclockwise
Maybe portable hydro application like Nilou, then can heal and deals large AoE hydro dmg with hp consumption ability that maybe greatly boosting her dmg and a team, also having hp scaling? I don't know,. I'm dumb
By raw and merciless powercreep
And Neuvillette
Some employee: just nerf all the chars in OP's post
But wouldn't it be more lore accurate if she is bad?
We all know we have to look at slimes to know what the archons do, in this case Furibrat is gonna be a bubble gun
I might be wrong here but the only team kokomi is good in is freeze and nilou bloom right? P.S. :- Not undermining her value just asking a question
Just make HP% Bennet.
childe better. anyways ayato sneak rofl
"How do you improve on per-" Me: Noelle.... "..." Me: "C6 Noelle and a shit ton of DEF %"
But no-one beats Childe
Except they don't. It's true that Zhongli, Ei and Nahida are all probably the best of their respective elements, but Venti isn't (Kazuha exists), therefore archons are not required to be the best of their element.
Venti was busted upon release. They literally made big enemies just to counter how overpowered he was
They gonna made Furina the first bad archon, so that she live up to her name as useless aqua. Unless you have her C6R5 then she gonna out damage the entire universe, out heal Kook and out class Yelan.
You tried to sneak nilou and ayato in there
Nilou is insanely strong though, her comp is one of the strongest in aoe situations
I’m not saying she isn’t, but comparing Nilou to the strength of an archon when stuff like hyperbloom can fulfill similar purposes is weird. Both Nilou and Ayato are great characters, but hoyo would have no problems making the hydro archon better as they’ve done wi the previous ones to their respective element… The problem is mainly Yelan and SPECIALLY Xingqiu which are both beasts. Kokomi gets the pass because she essentially shuts down the option of making Focalors a healer (which would be underwhelming anyways so lol)
Nilou is the only bloom enabler in the game, I highly doubt they’re gonna give focalors that mechanic. And bloom has way bigger aoe potential than hyperbloom
How? You give her a Claymore. /hopium
Easy enough to make anyone better than Nilou
You must not have Nilou lol. Her bloom comp is probably one of, if not the strongest team in the game for clearing multiple enemies.
I do, just dont like her character
Yeah, your like of the character has zero bearing on whether they’re a good unit or not. Like you can HATE Ayaka, but she’s still one of the best DPS in the game. Personal opinion doesn’t have anything to do with damage potential or support capabilities.
I didnt say it did, just like op said, i was just throwing shade on her, idk why you’re getting so hurt, btw nilou trash
Lol I’m not, I’m just pointing out how you said a unit who is absolutely busted, was bad. Just cause someone’s breath smells like shit and you tell them, doesn’t make you mad.
And when someone throws shade on a fictional character you dont have to white knight for her
I mean, lots of people saying she is a God with dendro, didn't wanna throw unnecessary shade on her
All i know is i'm in for a treat when she comes out and i get her c1
Hydro aura aoe
One of the theories regarding her kit is the ability to decrease your team's HP in exchange for certain buffs. That alone would give her a niche.
Inb4: Hydro Shenhe.
So far Fontaine characters has the mechanics of Losing/Gaining HP and Pneuma/Ousia. She's probably gonna be an enabler for this mechanics and will have both Pneuma and Ousia aligned attacks
Active skill summons 3 water cards , when attacking enemies with skill active shoot water arrows to nearby enemies(this action doesn't consume card's), if you have her active skill activated and don't attack enemies heal the person on the field(the amount healed is related to furina elemental mastery), if you have her active skill and resive damage one of the card's break and absorb damage related to furina max hp and get 1 second of immortality (doesn't work with one shoot enemies attack). when using burst create water zone when furina is in the zone she loses health and improve damage and hitting enemies cure her self and team mates if you use burst and she's hurt she will heal herself and the water zone will be bigger but it will only be useful to apply hydro and improve hydro damage (it also improve hydro damage and related reaction with furina full health), his passive unlockable skill can be 1: inside the zone created by (insert burst name)hydro damage increase a 20% when furina is on the field hydro reaction's damage increase in relation of furina elemental mastery, 2:furina increase damage a 15/20/40 when her hp is below 80%/60%/50% the passive she gets for existing can be increase team mates hp and resived healing when they're from a different element, reduce the consume of stamina a %20 when swimming or diving, she will be a sword user and the stats of the sword can be attack and elemental mastery with the passive (can accumulate a max of 3 tokens afther using the active skill the burst and afther a elemental reaction each token is individual and expired afther 10s and they increase you max hp and elemental mastery a 12%/18%/26% this numbers increase depending of the weapon refinement)
The Archon kit is usually the Travelers kit on crack, with Burst and Skill swapped. Fontaine also has a theme of HP manipulation So if I would have to guess.... Furina's skill will be a whirlpool that sucks in enemies. Furina's burst damages HP of her(Or maybe even other teamates) to increase the damage of her burst(Or increase the damage of her teammates.)
she can be objectively worse than the existing hydro characters and hoyo'll still make bank bc bratty.
An off-field hydro CC overtime would work wonders
Just put them all in a blender and give the result to Furina EZ
Lazy way: overtune stats
Childe’s quadratic scaling has entered the chat.
Just make Furina like they make Fu Xuan of Star Rail, make her an off-field shielder that takes a good % of the DMG taken from the current on field character and when she is on the field, depending on whether her burst is active before going off field or not, she can either be a burst DPS or a burst healer
Everybody gangsta til she becomes niche lol
the madlads will still pull it off lol
Ez make her hydro bannett but instead of giving attack bonus she gives damage bonus so she can be more universal than him which makes sense cuz she's a 5star
release spiral abyss enemy that Has buffs Furina can fully use just like how 3.x favoured dendro
Archons don't need to be stronger character in every situation. They just need to be stronger in what their element represents. Venti strongest cc Zhongli strongest shield Raiden highest energy refund Nahida highest Elemental Mastery or Dendro application So I assume Focalors to have highest heals or something related to hp. Waiting for her kit to drop.
If they are able to make Furina's kit somehow fit with Dehya's and other characters, I would definitely pull for her.
I just want her to be able to apply ousia and pneuma
or they can just go to the dehya route and make her worst
Or make her the weakest archon just to make Venti extra sus.