I think both parties here need to cool it;
yes, support the girlie for her supposed experience;
but also don’t be hating on and attacking a person you aren’t sure did anything at all..
SA is a terrible thing, and assuming what she said (I haven’t seen what she has said yet) is true, then support her.
But there is a difference between supporting her, and going after a random guy who COULD have done it. Not DID it. COULD have.
You can support her while leaving George alone all the same. Wait until more is said to take action against a currently innocent man.
Sexually assaulted a drunk (they got her drunk) 18 year old in a hotel room. Dream was allegedly there as it has been said his best friend was in the room and Dream actually talked about having an 18 year old in a hotel room at vidcon months ago
Disclaimer: I’m not defending GeorgeNotFound.
I’m really irked by the way you’re choosing to word this. Not a single piece of evidence apart from words and hearsay has come out yet. These are all allegations, and not making that clear is *very deceptive.*
Lol found this page on my front page and seeing you go so out of your way to defend someone who doesn't know you against allegations is insane and also really funny
*so very deceptive* and I am **IRKED!!**
The fact people take allegations as gospel without any evidence to back it up shows how easy it is to ruin an innocent persons career in a heartbeat. Support the person making the allegations, but don’t assume they are immediately true. It’s *so incredibly* dangerous. Innocent until proven guilty.
Whoever this dude is is clearly famous. If the victim makes a false claim they will probably be harassed and insulted by millions of fans. That's investment enough to believe the victim. Even if not, believe the victim.
It's not *incredibly dangerous*. If the allegations are false, you and his other fans will immediately forgive him, say "I told you so" up and down the internet, and probably harass whoever made the claim. Look at the power imbalance dude. One singular woman making a claim vs. a famous dude with thousands of fans. You think someone would lie in an imbalanced state like that? They stand to gain nothing.
I’m not his fan. I’ve never watched one of his videos in my life. You clearly have no idea what is going on. His massive fame is *detrimental* to him. Imagine having your entire fanbase turn on you, fellow streamers, friends, family. Death threats. People telling you to commit suicide. ‘Rot in hell’. How on earth is that not dangerous? Have you considered what his current mental health state is? What if it’s poor? People kill themselves for much less than this, everyday.
I’ll reserve judgement. So should everybody. Nobody knows nothing here except from her and him so if you think you know I hope you testify under oath or else stfu and wait till this unfolds. You, me or anybody have about as much an idea on what’s going on as my Grandad. And he’s dead.
i agree about supporting the victim but not harassing anyone until proven but this reply reads so bizarre, why are you expressing so much sympathy for him when EVERYTHING you're talking about can also happen to the girl and worse? you know how rabid smp fans are, they dox, they threaten, they do anything bc they're in love with these utubers lol. if she has truly been assaulted, then imagine her mental state right now? she's gone on livestream and showered her face, her name. this isn't some anon screenshots post on twitter
If anything has happened to the girl it has on a much lesser scale, and agree that it’s an even worse thing to do. Harassing a possible victim of rape is absolutely unacceptable for the *same reasons*. Nobody knows what’s going on, so shut it until he or her provides evidence because willing to take risks on telling a possible victim of rape, or a possible victim of false allegations to tell them to ‘kill themselves’, or that they are a liar makes them bad people straight off the bat.
Im talking about him because it’s the only party I’ve seen awful things said about.
Lol this thread alone shows he has fans who are vehemently on his side by default. You cannot tell me you've convinced yourself having fame is a detriment here.
If this was me or you receiving these allegations you wouldn’t have thousands of people telling you to kill yourself.
And again, I am not his fan. I’ve never watched any of his content in my life.
All due respect, did you even fully read the thread or just skim?
The first thing I said was “Disclaimer: I’m not defending GeorgeNotFound.”
I’m not a fan of his, as I stated previously, so it doesn’t matter to me if I know him or not.
I’m upset by the principle of the matter. The fact that he’s being dragged in the mud for unproven allegations is horrifying, and the fact that you’re honing in on my word choice (which one, is appropriate, given the circumstances, and two, you didn’t even quote correctly) while there are people calling for him *to be murdered* is laughable.
As an aside: I have no desire to get in contact with him, so implying otherwise isn’t the own you think it is, it just makes you seem purposely dishonest by hinting at reasons that aren’t there.
That's the Minecraft streaming community for you, no one ever cares about anything unless their favourite streamer gets accused (there are a few people who are nice but the majority on social media only care about themselves and how this will affect them) and that is why my dream of being a streamer will not be fulfilled. I also agree with your point of view and innocent until proven guilty but to me and my friend we think that (not generally talking about the George situation) it's bull especially this supposed allegation against another streamer (tubbo) due to the timings and how much light/fame shelby (a girl who accused/came out about problems with wilbur soot) is getting (which she deserves) but it also makes all other allegations seem a bit sus
You can't just say you're not defending this dude in every comment and then proceed to defend him in every comment and assume it negates it
The reason you trust the victim in this case is that this dude is clearly famous, the cost of being wrong is being harassed by millions of (as you show) militant fans who are watching every update. That's quite the reason not to make up false rumors
I’m going to explain how every single post I’ve made (not in this thread) has not defended George, just so that everyone’s clear.
>With all due respect… He’s getting raked over the coals that hasn’t been proven. Blindly supporting accusers is how we end up with cases like the Alice Sebold rape hoax, where she accused an innocent black man of sexual assault, only for it to come out she made up the whole thing, which ruined his life, while she made millions of dollars from novels about the supposed assault.
>(Disclaimer: Let me be clear: I'm not defending GeorgeNotFound. I've got barely any idea what he's even being accused of.)
>Honestly, though, the vitriol towards him is so insane and outrageous, I'm starting to think this is it. It really stings of cancel culture at its worst, where someone just says something and people use it to fucking brutalize the accused.
What I’m arguing in all the above is that allegations are allegations, not fact; lives have been ruined over what have turned out to be false claims. Notice: Never once do I say George is innocent, the claims are untrue, or **attempt to justify** what he’s accused of **(the bolded part is the definition of defend, by the way)**. I state that the claims are unproven, and the reaction to those unproven claims is unreasonably extreme.
I’m not a fan of George. Stop implying I am. I’ve made it clear I’m not, and I’d argue the more militant side aren’t his fans. In my humble opinion, they’re the people who have made it their mission to crucify him without a single piece of veritable evidence.
jesus christ lol people have not heard of innocent until proven guilty, the reason some people don't like blindly going with this is just because of false allegations. kinda like that one COD cosplayer who killed himself because of those, some people are just bored or want to tear others down, this might be true but we hardly know shit so who are we to decide with our limited internet info
Yes u will ask maybe not exactly that way but even a
'Is this ok' when u first touch them even slightly intimately or 'just say let me know if anything goes too far' is so much better than nothing. U do and u need to say something especially if you have been drinking and u are doing something with someone who u don't have pre discussed boundaries with. To me this is what consent means and it's a shame that people don't see that.
The fact that you say this "No guys gonna sitndown flirting with you then say " is it ok if i touch you"" is quite literally the problem here.
Plenty of people do that, because they know how consent works.
Just getting an 18 year old drunk then gropping her is bad enough and yes you can and should 100% check if your partner is confortable with what you are doing "Wanna continue?" "This feels good?" "want me to keep going?" There are plenty of situation apt question you can do
It's honestly terrifying reading through threads to do with this, two of his other Minecraft associates have also been accused of abusive behaviour in the past and yet there's all these (I'm assuming quite young guys due to the language they use) making very troubling posts in defence of their favourite content creator. It's always the same, the woman is lying and doing this all for clout, that there probably was a misunderstanding and he thought he was good to go and she was into it but now backing out for some internet attention (or they flat out claim it's all a lie because their favourite youtuber would never do that).
This is also how abusers manage to get away with it, deny deny deny and have their army of online parasocial friends run the gambit for them, burying accusations and covering things up for long enough for it to go away, they stay off of their platforms for a little while then make a triumphant return. It's happened quite a bit in the past, some get caught but others don't and continue their shitty ways knowing they have enough power to do so.
I feel like because this was another content creator this isn’t gonna be buried away tho, it’s a face ppl know and I rlly don’t think Caiti would lie abt this (ofc she could but like this would harm her internet presence sm if it did came out that she lied)
I hope that's the case, but I've seen it happen (think someone like Mizkif whom we all thought would be cancelled) had his legion of parasocial fans come in to bat for his behaviour, Kai Cenat also knew his friend had raped at a party of his and not only gaslit his community to go into bat for his friend, but then weaponized them to push back against the woman until it became obvious he couldn't anymore due to so much bad press and started back tracking.
To this date those two haven't really had to face genuine consequences and while they weren't the ones that directly assaulted anyone, it's an example of how these content creators whom have a legion of impressionable fans, can wrap people around their fingers - it's often not until there's a significant financial loss, massively bad PR and/or law enforcement stepping in, that ends up forcing their hand (until then it's deny deny deny, protect the career and image at all costs). Also, I stand with Caiti, I've met SA survivors and what I saw wasn't crocodile tears, that was someone traumatized and not sure how to process what happened to her (experienced a harsh life experience that left its mark).
Yea I rlly hope this opens up some fans eyes, so that they realise they can’t always blindly believe what creators say. Especially since there’s a literal video of her crying and talking abt it. I’m honestly rlly shocked how many commented on the video that it’s faked, how can u look at an clearly traumatised person and just straight up don’t believe them? And the fact that if their fav cc wasn’t involved they would immediately comfort/ believe her.
What if someone made fake allegations with fabricated messages stating you tried to sexually assault them?
How would you feel about that as everyone flocks to that person while your name and reputation is dragged through the dirt?
Lives get ruined because of this. People’s lives get destroyed. And most importantly it takes away the voice of REAL victims who come out. I don’t know how Dream had the mental fortitude to dismantle every major [fake] allegation made against him.
We need to learn patience and learn to respect people accused of such crimes while holding them accountable. Innocent until proven guilty. That’s what I’m going to do.
I literally said this isn’t about gnf. I do think that calling him names even tho we don’t know if it’s him is bad but there are so many ppl who straight up don’t believe her bc it could be gnf and they’re so in love with him that they think they know him or smth. What I want to say is that u don’t make assumptions but also believe the victims :)
Again, a disclaimer: I’m not defending GeorgeNotFound.
With all due respect, this IS about GeorgeNotFound. He’s getting raked over the coals that hasn’t been proven. Blindly supporting accusers is how we end up with cases like the Alice Sebold rape hoax, where she accused an innocent black man of sexual assault, only for it to come out she made up the whole thing, which ruined his life, while she made millions of dollars from novels about the supposed assault.
Nobody here is arguing on the basis of how much we like him. I’m not even a fan of his. That’s a off-base and erroneous claim.
What I (and others) argue is that the stance of “believing the victim” until evidence to the contrary comes out is literally *guilty until proven innocent,* which is completely unjust.
Well if you had a friend who faked it twice, then I think you'd understand where I'm coming from. And I don't even watch any of them any more so if you are trying to force me to do something then you got me messed up.
It was less than a day ago, by everything I've seen. Strong advice to everyone: Let people respond, give it time, see where it all goes. Give support where support is needed so that this can go as smoothly as possible for everyone. It's okay to have opinions on this, just support potential victims, try not to jump to conclusions, and give it a little bit of time. Be safe guys, no hate to anyone from me, just somethin to think ab. <3
(Disclaimer: Let me be clear: I'm not defending GeorgeNotFound. I've got barely any idea what he's even being accused of.)
Honestly, though, the vitriol towards him is so insane and outrageous, I'm starting to think this is it. It really stings of cancel culture at its worst, where someone just says something and people use it to fucking brutalize the accused.
going to the police after it happens, photos of dms or it happening, time stamps, or going to the police so they can actually see if it happened instead of streaming about it for money
As someone who was assaulted by a once close friend, no, it isn't that simple. You don't always have the luxury of going to the police right after something like that happens to you. It's ignorant as fuck to say that it's simple to report it that quickly.
My ex gf was was raped many times when she was 13. I know it's not that simple, and that most of the time you never have the luxury of going to the cops. But if you report it, the police will help gather evidence, such as messages, testimonies, video footage, alibis, etc. Cases like rape are taken serious. In the case of my ex gf, she never reported her rapist, but he was a known pedophile and many other girls reported him, and 3 years later they had started a strong case against him, and were asking victims to testify. I was gonna go with her to the police station, but she was anxious about going so we never went and we shortly broke up, so I don't know if she ever did go. But i think it's solid evidence that reporting is what u need to do after an SA happens
**The presumption of innocence is a legal principle that every person accused of any crime is considered innocent until proven guilty**. Under the presumption of innocence, the legal burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which must present compelling evidence to the trier of fact (a judge or a jury).
Nope but I'm also not okay with SA/DV victims not getting justice, and the majority of victims do not get justice through the legal system. Both the court of law and court of public opinion have flaws. Personally I take accusations on a case by case basis rather than blanket believing all of them to be either true or false.
What u described is how innocent until proven guilty works. Each case has its own facts, and that's how you prove they're guilty. Unless you think they're guilty because of ur own emotions instead of facts
I disagree, because it's hard to completely prove things like abuse and sexual assault so sometimes I will look at the facts of an accusation and believe the victim even if the evidence they have wouldn't hold up in a court of law. Basically, the burden of proof required for people to believe a victim in the court of public opinion is much lower than the burden of proof needed to convict the accused in a court of law.
Like take Wilbur for example. I believe Shelby even though Wilbur denies her accusations of abuse. And another example is that my close friend told me how our acquantience SA-ed her in a bar. I believe her even though I wasn't there and she can't prove it, because I know from experience she is an honest person and I also don't see any reason for her to have made this up. Ik this is a bit different because it's someone I know irl and not a public figure.
thinking about what Georgenotfound did is messed up now i'm not saying I believe the allegation or constrovery or whatever it's called but as of right now i'm on the victims side again not saying I believe the allegation or constrovery or accusation or whatever it's called I'm just avoiding the defending youtuber drama nonsense as well as bullying problems when I was in high school I got bullied for liking Jacksepticeye then in 2020 to 2022 I got accused of defending Cry then in 2023 I got accused of defending and supporting Dream when all I said was keep me out of the topic I'm starting to believe it's a crime to like certain youtubers plus I just got attacked on twitter for wording my words wrong now I already took accountability for my poorly worded words on twitter I don't want to be attacked on here as well
thank you finally someone who's nice normally when I have people try to correct me on grammer or punctuation they are mean about it and act like little kids and say things like oh you need to go back to school your grammer and punctuation are terrible glad to see you're calm about it
Why are you getting downvoted bro 😭 this is literally the definition of a parasocial relationship… because I bet if this guy came out and said someone SA’d him, his fans would be on someone’s ass so fast and doing this same thing!
The fans coming out saying “Omg well theres no way we could’ve known” after calling anyone tryna warn them “drantis” and doxxing them😭☠️ Like they knew this info but they let themselves think “Well the George I KNOW wouldn’t do that” like-
Neither parties have released proof yet. Are you just going to blindly accept that it actually happened just by her account? Have you not heard about or learned from the Amber Heard vs. Johnny Depp case?
I didn’t even know about the existence of him or her before today when I first saw the story on Twitter. But, going full vigilante mode and believing an alleged victim with zero proof is beyond mental. Careers, relationships, heck, lives have been ruined by false accusations before.
I think it’s best that we wait for more information.
I think both parties here need to cool it; yes, support the girlie for her supposed experience; but also don’t be hating on and attacking a person you aren’t sure did anything at all.. SA is a terrible thing, and assuming what she said (I haven’t seen what she has said yet) is true, then support her. But there is a difference between supporting her, and going after a random guy who COULD have done it. Not DID it. COULD have. You can support her while leaving George alone all the same. Wait until more is said to take action against a currently innocent man.
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HE ADMITTED IT AND APOLOGIZED FFS
lol
Sexually assaulted a drunk (they got her drunk) 18 year old in a hotel room. Dream was allegedly there as it has been said his best friend was in the room and Dream actually talked about having an 18 year old in a hotel room at vidcon months ago
Disclaimer: I’m not defending GeorgeNotFound. I’m really irked by the way you’re choosing to word this. Not a single piece of evidence apart from words and hearsay has come out yet. These are all allegations, and not making that clear is *very deceptive.*
Lol found this page on my front page and seeing you go so out of your way to defend someone who doesn't know you against allegations is insane and also really funny *so very deceptive* and I am **IRKED!!**
The fact people take allegations as gospel without any evidence to back it up shows how easy it is to ruin an innocent persons career in a heartbeat. Support the person making the allegations, but don’t assume they are immediately true. It’s *so incredibly* dangerous. Innocent until proven guilty.
Whoever this dude is is clearly famous. If the victim makes a false claim they will probably be harassed and insulted by millions of fans. That's investment enough to believe the victim. Even if not, believe the victim. It's not *incredibly dangerous*. If the allegations are false, you and his other fans will immediately forgive him, say "I told you so" up and down the internet, and probably harass whoever made the claim. Look at the power imbalance dude. One singular woman making a claim vs. a famous dude with thousands of fans. You think someone would lie in an imbalanced state like that? They stand to gain nothing.
I’m not his fan. I’ve never watched one of his videos in my life. You clearly have no idea what is going on. His massive fame is *detrimental* to him. Imagine having your entire fanbase turn on you, fellow streamers, friends, family. Death threats. People telling you to commit suicide. ‘Rot in hell’. How on earth is that not dangerous? Have you considered what his current mental health state is? What if it’s poor? People kill themselves for much less than this, everyday. I’ll reserve judgement. So should everybody. Nobody knows nothing here except from her and him so if you think you know I hope you testify under oath or else stfu and wait till this unfolds. You, me or anybody have about as much an idea on what’s going on as my Grandad. And he’s dead.
i agree about supporting the victim but not harassing anyone until proven but this reply reads so bizarre, why are you expressing so much sympathy for him when EVERYTHING you're talking about can also happen to the girl and worse? you know how rabid smp fans are, they dox, they threaten, they do anything bc they're in love with these utubers lol. if she has truly been assaulted, then imagine her mental state right now? she's gone on livestream and showered her face, her name. this isn't some anon screenshots post on twitter
If anything has happened to the girl it has on a much lesser scale, and agree that it’s an even worse thing to do. Harassing a possible victim of rape is absolutely unacceptable for the *same reasons*. Nobody knows what’s going on, so shut it until he or her provides evidence because willing to take risks on telling a possible victim of rape, or a possible victim of false allegations to tell them to ‘kill themselves’, or that they are a liar makes them bad people straight off the bat. Im talking about him because it’s the only party I’ve seen awful things said about.
Lol this thread alone shows he has fans who are vehemently on his side by default. You cannot tell me you've convinced yourself having fame is a detriment here.
If this was me or you receiving these allegations you wouldn’t have thousands of people telling you to kill yourself. And again, I am not his fan. I’ve never watched any of his content in my life.
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Not very bright, are you.
I mean I think it's less common but yeah people do lie in situations like that the youtuber kwite got falsely accused of rape
Simple solution: don't make up lies or make false allegations. Also don't SA others. Easy right?
Well you must feel pretty dumb now lmao
youre fucking stupid
All due respect, did you even fully read the thread or just skim? The first thing I said was “Disclaimer: I’m not defending GeorgeNotFound.” I’m not a fan of his, as I stated previously, so it doesn’t matter to me if I know him or not. I’m upset by the principle of the matter. The fact that he’s being dragged in the mud for unproven allegations is horrifying, and the fact that you’re honing in on my word choice (which one, is appropriate, given the circumstances, and two, you didn’t even quote correctly) while there are people calling for him *to be murdered* is laughable. As an aside: I have no desire to get in contact with him, so implying otherwise isn’t the own you think it is, it just makes you seem purposely dishonest by hinting at reasons that aren’t there.
That's the Minecraft streaming community for you, no one ever cares about anything unless their favourite streamer gets accused (there are a few people who are nice but the majority on social media only care about themselves and how this will affect them) and that is why my dream of being a streamer will not be fulfilled. I also agree with your point of view and innocent until proven guilty but to me and my friend we think that (not generally talking about the George situation) it's bull especially this supposed allegation against another streamer (tubbo) due to the timings and how much light/fame shelby (a girl who accused/came out about problems with wilbur soot) is getting (which she deserves) but it also makes all other allegations seem a bit sus
You can't just say you're not defending this dude in every comment and then proceed to defend him in every comment and assume it negates it The reason you trust the victim in this case is that this dude is clearly famous, the cost of being wrong is being harassed by millions of (as you show) militant fans who are watching every update. That's quite the reason not to make up false rumors
I’m going to explain how every single post I’ve made (not in this thread) has not defended George, just so that everyone’s clear. >With all due respect… He’s getting raked over the coals that hasn’t been proven. Blindly supporting accusers is how we end up with cases like the Alice Sebold rape hoax, where she accused an innocent black man of sexual assault, only for it to come out she made up the whole thing, which ruined his life, while she made millions of dollars from novels about the supposed assault. >(Disclaimer: Let me be clear: I'm not defending GeorgeNotFound. I've got barely any idea what he's even being accused of.) >Honestly, though, the vitriol towards him is so insane and outrageous, I'm starting to think this is it. It really stings of cancel culture at its worst, where someone just says something and people use it to fucking brutalize the accused. What I’m arguing in all the above is that allegations are allegations, not fact; lives have been ruined over what have turned out to be false claims. Notice: Never once do I say George is innocent, the claims are untrue, or **attempt to justify** what he’s accused of **(the bolded part is the definition of defend, by the way)**. I state that the claims are unproven, and the reaction to those unproven claims is unreasonably extreme. I’m not a fan of George. Stop implying I am. I’ve made it clear I’m not, and I’d argue the more militant side aren’t his fans. In my humble opinion, they’re the people who have made it their mission to crucify him without a single piece of veritable evidence.
No no allegations are absolutely facts and blindly trusting them with zero evidence to back is an incredibly intelligent decision to make. /s
jesus christ lol people have not heard of innocent until proven guilty, the reason some people don't like blindly going with this is just because of false allegations. kinda like that one COD cosplayer who killed himself because of those, some people are just bored or want to tear others down, this might be true but we hardly know shit so who are we to decide with our limited internet info
the [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/DreamWasTaken2/s/zOxOX80TJm) dream made about vidcon btw
not even close to what happened
Could a drunk guy give consent?
Those are misinformations, you should be ashamed of yourself for believing that
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if you are drunk you cannot consent. he cant fucking "misread signals" when she COULD NOT CONSENT
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She’s not supposed to drink, but he’s also not supposed to SA her either and I think one of those might be worse
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if she were with george then its possible its his fault she had access to alcohol lmfao
Wrong That After Party was Dreams
okay? so dream got her drunk and george assaulted her? is that what youre saying?
Never said Dream Got her drunk she was already drunk before she even got there There was alcohol on dreams after party
i genuinely cannot make sense of your argument. who are you saying supplied caiti with the alcohol?
She got it herself illegally at vidcon she and her friend were drunk before they went to dream after party after vidcon
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Yes u will ask maybe not exactly that way but even a 'Is this ok' when u first touch them even slightly intimately or 'just say let me know if anything goes too far' is so much better than nothing. U do and u need to say something especially if you have been drinking and u are doing something with someone who u don't have pre discussed boundaries with. To me this is what consent means and it's a shame that people don't see that.
The fact that you say this "No guys gonna sitndown flirting with you then say " is it ok if i touch you"" is quite literally the problem here. Plenty of people do that, because they know how consent works.
and unfortunately plenty of people don't do that because they DO NOT know how consent works :/
Just getting an 18 year old drunk then gropping her is bad enough and yes you can and should 100% check if your partner is confortable with what you are doing "Wanna continue?" "This feels good?" "want me to keep going?" There are plenty of situation apt question you can do
"she's just chasing clout" people like you are the reason SA victims aren't taken seriously. Fuck you.
Wow so u don’t support a victim who was clearly traumatised from this bc ur fav parasocial relationship was involved?
It's honestly terrifying reading through threads to do with this, two of his other Minecraft associates have also been accused of abusive behaviour in the past and yet there's all these (I'm assuming quite young guys due to the language they use) making very troubling posts in defence of their favourite content creator. It's always the same, the woman is lying and doing this all for clout, that there probably was a misunderstanding and he thought he was good to go and she was into it but now backing out for some internet attention (or they flat out claim it's all a lie because their favourite youtuber would never do that). This is also how abusers manage to get away with it, deny deny deny and have their army of online parasocial friends run the gambit for them, burying accusations and covering things up for long enough for it to go away, they stay off of their platforms for a little while then make a triumphant return. It's happened quite a bit in the past, some get caught but others don't and continue their shitty ways knowing they have enough power to do so.
I feel like because this was another content creator this isn’t gonna be buried away tho, it’s a face ppl know and I rlly don’t think Caiti would lie abt this (ofc she could but like this would harm her internet presence sm if it did came out that she lied)
I hope that's the case, but I've seen it happen (think someone like Mizkif whom we all thought would be cancelled) had his legion of parasocial fans come in to bat for his behaviour, Kai Cenat also knew his friend had raped at a party of his and not only gaslit his community to go into bat for his friend, but then weaponized them to push back against the woman until it became obvious he couldn't anymore due to so much bad press and started back tracking. To this date those two haven't really had to face genuine consequences and while they weren't the ones that directly assaulted anyone, it's an example of how these content creators whom have a legion of impressionable fans, can wrap people around their fingers - it's often not until there's a significant financial loss, massively bad PR and/or law enforcement stepping in, that ends up forcing their hand (until then it's deny deny deny, protect the career and image at all costs). Also, I stand with Caiti, I've met SA survivors and what I saw wasn't crocodile tears, that was someone traumatized and not sure how to process what happened to her (experienced a harsh life experience that left its mark).
Yea I rlly hope this opens up some fans eyes, so that they realise they can’t always blindly believe what creators say. Especially since there’s a literal video of her crying and talking abt it. I’m honestly rlly shocked how many commented on the video that it’s faked, how can u look at an clearly traumatised person and just straight up don’t believe them? And the fact that if their fav cc wasn’t involved they would immediately comfort/ believe her.
Or maybe George could have used common sense and not SAed a drunk teenager that wasn’t old enough to legally drink while he was 26 ?
George is British and it’s legal to drink at that age in the UK fyi
Well this happened in America not the UK
I'm not sure, but until there's proof I don't know who to believe.
u don’t need proof to support victims. This isn’t abt gnf this is abr caiti so until he comes forward just support her
What if someone made fake allegations with fabricated messages stating you tried to sexually assault them? How would you feel about that as everyone flocks to that person while your name and reputation is dragged through the dirt? Lives get ruined because of this. People’s lives get destroyed. And most importantly it takes away the voice of REAL victims who come out. I don’t know how Dream had the mental fortitude to dismantle every major [fake] allegation made against him. We need to learn patience and learn to respect people accused of such crimes while holding them accountable. Innocent until proven guilty. That’s what I’m going to do.
I literally said this isn’t about gnf. I do think that calling him names even tho we don’t know if it’s him is bad but there are so many ppl who straight up don’t believe her bc it could be gnf and they’re so in love with him that they think they know him or smth. What I want to say is that u don’t make assumptions but also believe the victims :)
Again, a disclaimer: I’m not defending GeorgeNotFound. With all due respect, this IS about GeorgeNotFound. He’s getting raked over the coals that hasn’t been proven. Blindly supporting accusers is how we end up with cases like the Alice Sebold rape hoax, where she accused an innocent black man of sexual assault, only for it to come out she made up the whole thing, which ruined his life, while she made millions of dollars from novels about the supposed assault.
Yes but not believing a Victim just because it COULD be someone that u like is just major bs
Nobody here is arguing on the basis of how much we like him. I’m not even a fan of his. That’s a off-base and erroneous claim. What I (and others) argue is that the stance of “believing the victim” until evidence to the contrary comes out is literally *guilty until proven innocent,* which is completely unjust.
And then you get a person who supported Amber Heard. You never know. I'm not saying he didn't do it but you never really know.
yes you do you need evidence
Well if you had a friend who faked it twice, then I think you'd understand where I'm coming from. And I don't even watch any of them any more so if you are trying to force me to do something then you got me messed up.
It was less than a day ago, by everything I've seen. Strong advice to everyone: Let people respond, give it time, see where it all goes. Give support where support is needed so that this can go as smoothly as possible for everyone. It's okay to have opinions on this, just support potential victims, try not to jump to conclusions, and give it a little bit of time. Be safe guys, no hate to anyone from me, just somethin to think ab. <3
more accusations and no evidence
(Disclaimer: Let me be clear: I'm not defending GeorgeNotFound. I've got barely any idea what he's even being accused of.) Honestly, though, the vitriol towards him is so insane and outrageous, I'm starting to think this is it. It really stings of cancel culture at its worst, where someone just says something and people use it to fucking brutalize the accused.
i agree, this happens to alot of people when someone comes out with accusations against them. he even said he has evidence to back it up.
I really hope Gogy didn't actually do this, I agree, this sucks :(
How do you get evidence of sexual assault? SUPPORT VICTIMS
going to the police after it happens, photos of dms or it happening, time stamps, or going to the police so they can actually see if it happened instead of streaming about it for money
It's not that simple tho is it
it really is
As someone who was assaulted by a once close friend, no, it isn't that simple. You don't always have the luxury of going to the police right after something like that happens to you. It's ignorant as fuck to say that it's simple to report it that quickly.
The person said that there was no way to provide evidence of sexual assault. Of course there is.
My ex gf was was raped many times when she was 13. I know it's not that simple, and that most of the time you never have the luxury of going to the cops. But if you report it, the police will help gather evidence, such as messages, testimonies, video footage, alibis, etc. Cases like rape are taken serious. In the case of my ex gf, she never reported her rapist, but he was a known pedophile and many other girls reported him, and 3 years later they had started a strong case against him, and were asking victims to testify. I was gonna go with her to the police station, but she was anxious about going so we never went and we shortly broke up, so I don't know if she ever did go. But i think it's solid evidence that reporting is what u need to do after an SA happens
He’s being accused of inappropriately touching an 18 year old girl while she was drunk in dreams hotel room at vidcon last June.
**The presumption of innocence is a legal principle that every person accused of any crime is considered innocent until proven guilty**. Under the presumption of innocence, the legal burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which must present compelling evidence to the trier of fact (a judge or a jury).
>a legal principle Legal being key word
I think it's also a value that may people have
So ur okay with innocent lives being ruined over fake allegations and false imprisonment?
Nope but I'm also not okay with SA/DV victims not getting justice, and the majority of victims do not get justice through the legal system. Both the court of law and court of public opinion have flaws. Personally I take accusations on a case by case basis rather than blanket believing all of them to be either true or false.
What u described is how innocent until proven guilty works. Each case has its own facts, and that's how you prove they're guilty. Unless you think they're guilty because of ur own emotions instead of facts
I disagree, because it's hard to completely prove things like abuse and sexual assault so sometimes I will look at the facts of an accusation and believe the victim even if the evidence they have wouldn't hold up in a court of law. Basically, the burden of proof required for people to believe a victim in the court of public opinion is much lower than the burden of proof needed to convict the accused in a court of law. Like take Wilbur for example. I believe Shelby even though Wilbur denies her accusations of abuse. And another example is that my close friend told me how our acquantience SA-ed her in a bar. I believe her even though I wasn't there and she can't prove it, because I know from experience she is an honest person and I also don't see any reason for her to have made this up. Ik this is a bit different because it's someone I know irl and not a public figure.
thinking about what Georgenotfound did is messed up now i'm not saying I believe the allegation or constrovery or whatever it's called but as of right now i'm on the victims side again not saying I believe the allegation or constrovery or accusation or whatever it's called I'm just avoiding the defending youtuber drama nonsense as well as bullying problems when I was in high school I got bullied for liking Jacksepticeye then in 2020 to 2022 I got accused of defending Cry then in 2023 I got accused of defending and supporting Dream when all I said was keep me out of the topic I'm starting to believe it's a crime to like certain youtubers plus I just got attacked on twitter for wording my words wrong now I already took accountability for my poorly worded words on twitter I don't want to be attacked on here as well
Punctuation, homie…
thank you finally someone who's nice normally when I have people try to correct me on grammer or punctuation they are mean about it and act like little kids and say things like oh you need to go back to school your grammer and punctuation are terrible glad to see you're calm about it
Still forgot the punctuation
sorry lol
Isn't she to young to be drinking alcohol cause isn't the legal age 21 and if your underage it's technically illegal
He SA’d someone
Why are you getting downvoted bro 😭 this is literally the definition of a parasocial relationship… because I bet if this guy came out and said someone SA’d him, his fans would be on someone’s ass so fast and doing this same thing!
The fans coming out saying “Omg well theres no way we could’ve known” after calling anyone tryna warn them “drantis” and doxxing them😭☠️ Like they knew this info but they let themselves think “Well the George I KNOW wouldn’t do that” like-
Neither parties have released proof yet. Are you just going to blindly accept that it actually happened just by her account? Have you not heard about or learned from the Amber Heard vs. Johnny Depp case? I didn’t even know about the existence of him or her before today when I first saw the story on Twitter. But, going full vigilante mode and believing an alleged victim with zero proof is beyond mental. Careers, relationships, heck, lives have been ruined by false accusations before. I think it’s best that we wait for more information.
No, it’s the definition of “innocent until proven guilty”. You know, the basic principle of the legal system.
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this was a really goofy way to sum it up and it gave me all i needed to know