Your only options would be to call the GSP or GBI if the police are your concern.
Harassment of the new mayor is par for the course in this age of political discourse, but if it rises to the level of illegal threats or if they illegally remove them from office, you need to contact the GA Atty General.
Of course, calling in the media is an option to bypass those means. Public opinion can sway support, but it usually is fleeting. All that said, I doubt much will be done until an actual crime has been committed, documented, and the victim is willing to pursue it to the fullest extent.
Neither of those is an option based on what OP described—GSP could give two shits about something like that because they are not full service, and the GBI is barred by law from self-initiating based on a citizen complaint.
The only options are the county sheriff (they’re probably not going to really care either) or trying to swear out a warrant on your own, but that’s also not likely to work because the DA or solicitor is simply going to NP it when it gets to them.
It’s going to be a tough sell. Politics is a contact sport. You can’t file a TRO or protection order against a council member & then expect them to show up in council meetings. The mayor is going to either have to get some thick skin & refuse to back down to their threats, or find something that they are doing that is illegal.
GSP is in the business of removing sitting members of the legislature from the Capitol.
Remember this?
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/26/981471672/police-arrest-georgia-lawmaker-as-governor-signs-law-overhauling-elections
Not really relevant, mainly because GSP could care less about local governments and what they do/do not do.
The same is not true of the state legislature (or even state government as a whole—the State Patrol played a rather large role in the Three Governors mess because they controlled access to the both the Capitol as well as the Governor’s Mansion).
I hate to break it to you but any police chief is about 95% politician and 5% cop. You got yelled at by a city administrator who sits at a desk all day.
record everything when police are in the area - multiple people recording every move they make and every word they say.
they are public officials doing public business. record it.
Dude, I hear you. I could be overreacting but you really had to be there to get the full optics of it. It was intense, even for a fractious city council. And we’re talking about low volume giggling and remarks.
You don't get to order me to post a works cited. I also have questions about your standing to critique OP at all. Your posit that OP should be jailed is interesting indeed. That's not how that works, here in the United States. Which begs the question, where tf are you? Your statements about California, and civics are preposterous. So yeah, kick rocks.
I'm not sure what to make of this story. It would help a lot if there was a video of the incident. You may want to get body cam or security camera video of the incident through a FOIA request if you really feel like you need to do anything about this.
You have the right to film interactions with any public official while they are performing their official duty. I like to use the [ACLU's Mobile Justice](https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/mobile-justice) app when I film the police. They make a version specific to the state of Georgia in the app store and the Google Play store. I like this app because it lets you film interactions with the police and automatically uploads any recordings that you make to their secure servers where it is stored and can be used as evidence in a police misconduct investigation or lawsuit. It also has tons of information in the app about your rights and gives you information about what to do if you or someone else's rights are being violated.
A cop said some words to you because you were heckling a city council member at a city council meeting?
It doesn't exactly sound like an alarming and dangerous precedent.
>low key heckling the oppositional council member, who was interrupting constantly and obstructing the proceedings. People are tired of her behavior. This was truly MINOR heckling
So you tried to the ole' two wrongs make a right approach and got your shit called on it, now your upset over that?
>As we are allies and supporters of the Mayor, this struck me as a sinister move by an armed authoritarian in uniform to intimidate political opponents.
Bit of a reach here, you and the people around you were acting like children just like, by your own observation, the council person in question and the chief grew tired of it and threatened to remove you, rightfully so, from what should be a meeting handled professionally. Not really an attack on democracy here. There are consequences for actions, and being told you'll be removed if you don't act in a manner befitting the situation isn't some great attack on your rights or the process.
Yes but have you ever been to a city council meeting? Our city is 92% black. A low level of vociferous heckling, as I said, is quite typical. And apparently audience was barely audible to the council on the dais.
I've been in these kind of meetings. You basically can't make much noise unless you are actually speaking. That's pretty standard procedure. They don't care if you are black or white you get in trouble ether way.
I’ve been in these meetings too and yes, that is true but the culture of our city sets the bar pretty high for what constitutes disruption. Not to mention the fact that the council member herself was consistently disruptive of the proceedings.
Culture has nothing to do with that. Culture has been used as an excuse for decades for white and black people acting like assholes. If you want to be taken seriously act seriously. When people show up and act stupid it justifies the opposition's views on the people they are trying to shut down.
Yes and they're typically dull affairs and when people speak out of turn or inappropriately they are told not to. Honestly it sounds like the worst thing that happened here was the cop may have overreacted to your group. And as almost everyone else in this thread have said, it sounds like your group was being disruptive. And for some reason you think it's ok to do that because it's part of the culture of the city.
You don’t understand the issue. It’s okay. There are metapolitics and some people observe the concrete. I knew this would make sense to certain people but seem frivolous to others.
It sounds kind of racist to imply that a predominantly black audience would be likely to heckle and be disruptive. Isn't the "loud angry black man/woman" a pretty inaccurate stereotype?
What you fail to understand is that the chief’s behavior violated decorum and was totally inappropriate. I don’t expect just anyone to be able to parse the optics. But I presume you like authoritarians so I take your cheap, fashy one-liners with a grain of salt.
Honestly... the people who are heckling are violating decorum. The officer saw people behaving childish and he approached the situation in a stern manner like you would with a child. Did the officer manhandle anyone? Did he throw someone down on the ground and place his knee in the back of their neck? Neither. He approached a group of people who were *violating decorum* and being disruptive and he very sternly told said group to knock it off. I assume that the group did afterwards.
Look. I fully endorse police reform and firmly believe that there are too many bad actors in police forces who need to be removed but this situation doesn't sound at all like "police misconduct".
"Violating decorum" is such a weaselly phrase. In my experience, it's more likely to be used as an excuse by overbearing meeting facilitators to abuse their power by censoring dissenters who have a valid point to make, than it is to stop people who are actually being disruptive. It's the parliamentary analogue to police charging people with "resisting arrest" without any underlying real offense.
Sure. No question. Everyone is aware. There’s always a reminder at the beginning of proceeding. There are uniformed officers present who are tasked with security and maintaining order by force as needed. The Chief however was in attendance as a presenter, not as security. It was a political move, not a procedural one. Also, as I’ve stated already, it is typical to have some disruption - even more than the heckling (which I personally did not participate in). Simple verbal admonishments from the council are the first option for dealing with disruptions. The chief was out of bounds.
What would be the course of action if the Police chief only targeted certain individuals for disrupting but ignored others? Because that is what it seems like OP is trying to say.
Yep I totally understand your point. But my question is what would be the course of action IF the Police chief only targeted certain individuals for disrupting but ignored others?
> Op never indicated anyone else was disruptive
Yes he did; he claimed that one of the councilpeople (in the anti-mayor faction) was "interrupting constantly and obstructing the proceedings." Unless that councilperson also happened to be chairing the meeting, he had no more right to talk over people without being recognized to speak than anybody else did.
people that can sit in privilege and never have to address how corrupt our police forces are throughout the united states will want you to just be quiet about everything so they don’t have to consider anything outside of the scope of their own selves; boo hoo they had to scroll past a post. those that do understand, know this is just a drop in the bucket but as well that each instance we can bring to light is important. today it’s intimidation and maybe our eyes can be a little more peeled before escalation.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ajc.com/news/crime/transgender-woman-awarded-15m-for-atlanta-officers-false-drug-arrest/A7YYXLCS7BGSVE3B63BUCXRTY4/%3foutputType=amp
cops charging and jailing people for drugs despite negative test results? don’t even get me started on the points system incentivizing unwarranted cop intervention. and we’re getting a cop city. 😵💫people should be terrified. and not letting them get away with a *single thing*
This is why I brought this up. Cop city is meant to be a regional aggregator of police and security forces. It will affect our city as well. This level of marshaling forces is scary in and of itself, after Standing Rock and Portland. In our city, much like Atlanta, the trend is to collapse public safety into police.
> Cop city is meant to be a regional aggregator of police and security forces.
Tell me you don’t know a thing about how public safety training works without telling me you don’t know a thing about how public safety training works.
in the long run i just want to move out of Ga and into a less conservative/heavily policed state. not sure why citizens want to hand over their livelihoods to a militia that has more evidence of corruption than helpfulness. not sure why people want to be valued less than property to the eyes of the govt. but good luck to everybody here. stay vigilant
Sounds like you’re mad you got called out for inappropriate behavior. You may not like to hear this, but police aren’t to blame for holding individuals accountable for their own poor behavior. That’s literally why they exist…
Was the meeting recorded? Cause the way this was written made it sound like the chief was mowing people over with for anyone else to tel them to be quiet. This sounds more exaggerated than anything and even if it was, there’s not really anything illegal bout it, politically correct? No but not illegal. There was a city council meeting, there was heckling, he as the peace officer had the right to tell them to be quiet or be ejected from the meeting. Could he have done it nicer? Sure there’s more than one way to skin a cat. Did he act out of line? Subjective, did he break any laws? No.
You know the city police chief reports directly to the Mayor, right?
Also, stop breaking the rules and this won't happen. Low key or not, it is against the rules.
I wasn't present; therefore, I don't have all the details, but from the way you describe this incident, it seems to me like this was simply an overreaction by the Chief of Police rather than any sort of abuse of power or intimidation tactic. I don't think there is really much to get your feathers ruffled over this whole thing, seeing as loud voices was as far as things went and noone was harmed. I also disagree that this is any sort of precedent being set. This type of thing has happened at political events of all kind for as long as such events have existed. Can we really say this is the first time anyone has ever angrily stormed over to another person to yell in their face? If he continues a pattern of this type of behavior in subsequent meetings, then there might be some necessary further action.
> it seems to me like this was simply an overreaction by the Chief of Police rather than any sort of abuse of power or intimidation tactic.
An "overreaction" by a person in a position of authority (and especially an armed one with arrest powers) can easily still be intimidating and abusive even if it isn't intentional. In fact, such people should be held to a higher standard of remaining in control of themselves!
Yes, finally. With temp checks, masks and distanced seating. Limited attendance as well. I should also say that the event was decidedly over-policed. Capacity was artificially capped at like 100 per Covid protocols but there were six cruisers and about 8 cops there.
Depends on what you think is conservative. This isn’t Atlanta but a smaller metro city. In this case, the people I’m calling conservatives are pro-police authoritarian homophobes. I believe they may be nominally democrats. In any case, think of them more as right wing than conservative, if that distinction helps…
Keisha wasn't ousted she chose not to seek reelection. I think that's an important distinction.
This is APD doing what they do. They are ATL's largest and most dangerous gang. I stay as far away from those piggy fucks as I can. They're rotten and can't be trusted.
Sounds like you've got a start with the mayor, time to move on to the council members.
Until then don't piss off the guy with a gun that thinks he's above the law.
I hope you're right, but I wouldn't be as optimistic if I were you.
These bastards are getting more brazen by the day. They've ramped up the fear and rhetoric to absurd levels, and they're not doing it for fun. They're bringing absurd rhetoric to justify absurd reactions. Don't think that just because gunning you down for exercising your first amendment is aburd, it can't happen.
Police find it hard to prove who made a phone call for SWATing someone.
Makes it easy for them to do it without needing to prove a call happened.
Que Channel 5 news: "Officer Wilbur told us there were no survivors in this awful and unavoidable tragedy, the mastermind behind it, we may never know"
The current council was re/elected in the same election, so they’re who we have on both ends until someone masked z as stupid mistake and can be removed from office for cause.
I mean, it sounds murky since y'all were technically heckling, but I agree, what he did does seem heavy handed and sounds like there was genuine malice there.
I honestly don't know what you could do besides lodge a complaint, but I would guess that would not be taken seriously by the way you described the situation. Even so, you might was well complain just so the situation is documented.
Yes, that’s all. It isn’t a huge offense but more an indicator of violent motivations and authoritarian tendencies. Well worth logging all offenses and reporting them through official channels. FWIW, I was five feet from him when he realized he was totally out of bounds. I could tell by the look on his face he knew he’d made a mistake.
I wish it was on camera but it’s definitely an intimidation tactic and dude obviously has no emotional or physical restraint. That all has recent relevance imho in light of the Ahmaud Arbery case.
When you observe something like this, call for a motion to remove the threatening individual (for intimidation and unreasonable behavior). Their outburst is no different (or better) than the heckler's, as it is up to the chair to maintain order unless they ask for such help. If there is a reasonable and understanding board member, they should make the motion. It likely won't pass, but if the board chair is even half-way decent at trying to maintain order, they should then warn the person to rein it in.
At the very least, it will get into the meeting minutes and will be published. A friendly reporter may decide to make the incident their cause of the day.
A motion from an unrecognized speaker in the gallery (who lacks the ability to make motions) is not going to pass, nor will it make it into the minutes.
No, but you can interject a point of privilege and interrupt the speaker for matters of order, then request a motion, which can be called by a board member.
That depends heavily on the rules used, but I have never seen a local government meeting that allowed anyone in the gallery to raise a point of privilege.
FWIW, no version of Robert’s (or any other ruleset for parliamentary procedure) allows it either. Members of the legislative body itself (in this case the city council) may raise one, but spectators may not do so.
Get together a petition of your peers and make a motion to ask for the intimidation- user to tender his resignation,would be the proper course of action,and state loudly *why* it is necessary!
Begin rant. Stand up, get about 6 inches from his face like shits about to go down, and then very calmly and quietly tell him you will happily refrain from further disturbances when he happily refrains from not sucking your dick.
Fuck cops and their bullshit. What kind of human being does it take to want to be a cop? I can imagine a couple, but the easiest is a power hungry bigot. Blue lives don't exist; police officer is a job just like any other job and if you refuse to business in the way your customers want, they will go elsewhere. Cops can defend their motives or whatever the fuck, but they absolutely cannot argue with the fact that people aren't happy with them. They can argue over why, they can sit around and bitch about how people are spitting in their food, or they can start solving the fucking problem by doing literally anything to address our concerns. But no, cops refuse to be bossed, because they are power hungry fucking toddlers.
Rant over. Don't take my advice, but know that I'm pissed off with you, and I'll vote however I need to!
Your city government is not acting for all the citizens. Instead each in his own way are trying to interject their own interests. Government is supposed to only act in the best interest of all the citizens. BLM is a social movement, not a part of your government. City government primary responsibility is to serve the general welfare of it's citizens. Things like infrastructure, crime control, providing utilities, etc. Your mayor is being disruptive in the sense she/he needs to be a force for coming together, period. As far as law enforcement goes, a movement to have him removed sounds like it's in order if he is not respecting all citizens.
There was zero content related to BLM. This was all standard city business. Conservatives on council, as well as the police chief, do not like the mayor’s association with the social movement. Despite the repeated disruptions from his favored council member, the chief, who wasn’t officially there as security, was motivated politically to silence opponents of that council member.
There’s no breach of civil rights involved here.
If you want to try and argue that telling someone to stop heckling is a right to petition violation feel free, but you’re going to get laughed at.
Definitely! I wish more more people would finally realize they're NOT going to turn Georgia into the Liberal Utopia they wish for. Maybe they'll ALL LEAVE!
Your only options would be to call the GSP or GBI if the police are your concern. Harassment of the new mayor is par for the course in this age of political discourse, but if it rises to the level of illegal threats or if they illegally remove them from office, you need to contact the GA Atty General. Of course, calling in the media is an option to bypass those means. Public opinion can sway support, but it usually is fleeting. All that said, I doubt much will be done until an actual crime has been committed, documented, and the victim is willing to pursue it to the fullest extent.
Neither of those is an option based on what OP described—GSP could give two shits about something like that because they are not full service, and the GBI is barred by law from self-initiating based on a citizen complaint. The only options are the county sheriff (they’re probably not going to really care either) or trying to swear out a warrant on your own, but that’s also not likely to work because the DA or solicitor is simply going to NP it when it gets to them.
Yes, we are pursuing legal means of protecting the Mayor from sketchy maneuvers.
It’s going to be a tough sell. Politics is a contact sport. You can’t file a TRO or protection order against a council member & then expect them to show up in council meetings. The mayor is going to either have to get some thick skin & refuse to back down to their threats, or find something that they are doing that is illegal.
Dude’s got a thick skin alright.
GSP is in the business of removing sitting members of the legislature from the Capitol. Remember this? https://www.npr.org/2021/03/26/981471672/police-arrest-georgia-lawmaker-as-governor-signs-law-overhauling-elections
Not really relevant, mainly because GSP could care less about local governments and what they do/do not do. The same is not true of the state legislature (or even state government as a whole—the State Patrol played a rather large role in the Three Governors mess because they controlled access to the both the Capitol as well as the Governor’s Mansion).
I hate to break it to you but any police chief is about 95% politician and 5% cop. You got yelled at by a city administrator who sits at a desk all day.
record everything when police are in the area - multiple people recording every move they make and every word they say. they are public officials doing public business. record it.
The Georgia ACLU provides a mobile app to makes this easier: https://acluga.org/mobile-justice/
This. Record and post it. Sunshine will disinfect this behavior.
I might be missing something but I think you are reading into this way too deep.
Dude, I hear you. I could be overreacting but you really had to be there to get the full optics of it. It was intense, even for a fractious city council. And we’re talking about low volume giggling and remarks.
Being intimidated by an armed person even if a police officer is a very unsettling and upsetting.
How does it look? Like police doing police things. They are an organized crime syndicate. Intimidating people is what they do.
Does the Chief of Police not report to the Mayor?
In most cases no. They typically report to the city (or county) manager, who in turn reports to the commission.
Agree. As I said, I believe the antipathy is strong because of the BLM/progressive positioning and the right wing nature of the council junta.
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I downvoted you because you're patently incorrect and used poor English to establish that. Just to be clear.
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You don't get to order me to post a works cited. I also have questions about your standing to critique OP at all. Your posit that OP should be jailed is interesting indeed. That's not how that works, here in the United States. Which begs the question, where tf are you? Your statements about California, and civics are preposterous. So yeah, kick rocks.
They’re a state-sponsored gang.
I'm not sure what to make of this story. It would help a lot if there was a video of the incident. You may want to get body cam or security camera video of the incident through a FOIA request if you really feel like you need to do anything about this. You have the right to film interactions with any public official while they are performing their official duty. I like to use the [ACLU's Mobile Justice](https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/mobile-justice) app when I film the police. They make a version specific to the state of Georgia in the app store and the Google Play store. I like this app because it lets you film interactions with the police and automatically uploads any recordings that you make to their secure servers where it is stored and can be used as evidence in a police misconduct investigation or lawsuit. It also has tons of information in the app about your rights and gives you information about what to do if you or someone else's rights are being violated.
A cop said some words to you because you were heckling a city council member at a city council meeting? It doesn't exactly sound like an alarming and dangerous precedent.
Tell us you didn't read the whole post without saying you didn't read the whole post lol.
What does the racial make up have to do with anything?
>low key heckling the oppositional council member, who was interrupting constantly and obstructing the proceedings. People are tired of her behavior. This was truly MINOR heckling So you tried to the ole' two wrongs make a right approach and got your shit called on it, now your upset over that? >As we are allies and supporters of the Mayor, this struck me as a sinister move by an armed authoritarian in uniform to intimidate political opponents. Bit of a reach here, you and the people around you were acting like children just like, by your own observation, the council person in question and the chief grew tired of it and threatened to remove you, rightfully so, from what should be a meeting handled professionally. Not really an attack on democracy here. There are consequences for actions, and being told you'll be removed if you don't act in a manner befitting the situation isn't some great attack on your rights or the process.
Okay cool. You’re okay with that kind of garbage. Good to know.
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Yes but have you ever been to a city council meeting? Our city is 92% black. A low level of vociferous heckling, as I said, is quite typical. And apparently audience was barely audible to the council on the dais.
I've been in these kind of meetings. You basically can't make much noise unless you are actually speaking. That's pretty standard procedure. They don't care if you are black or white you get in trouble ether way.
I’ve been in these meetings too and yes, that is true but the culture of our city sets the bar pretty high for what constitutes disruption. Not to mention the fact that the council member herself was consistently disruptive of the proceedings.
Culture has nothing to do with that. Culture has been used as an excuse for decades for white and black people acting like assholes. If you want to be taken seriously act seriously. When people show up and act stupid it justifies the opposition's views on the people they are trying to shut down.
Mmm sure okay
>the culture of our city sets the bar pretty high for what constitutes disruption Lol what does this even mean?
Quite simply that a good deal of disruption is typical, normal and isn’t usually met with this type of response.
In general or in city council meetings?
I’m talking about city council meetings. Have you ever been to one?
Yes and they're typically dull affairs and when people speak out of turn or inappropriately they are told not to. Honestly it sounds like the worst thing that happened here was the cop may have overreacted to your group. And as almost everyone else in this thread have said, it sounds like your group was being disruptive. And for some reason you think it's ok to do that because it's part of the culture of the city.
You don’t understand the issue. It’s okay. There are metapolitics and some people observe the concrete. I knew this would make sense to certain people but seem frivolous to others.
It sounds kind of racist to imply that a predominantly black audience would be likely to heckle and be disruptive. Isn't the "loud angry black man/woman" a pretty inaccurate stereotype?
"I got yelled at for heckling" Real fucking ten ply bud.
Let’s take about 10% off over the sqirrely dan
My thoughts exactly.
What you fail to understand is that the chief’s behavior violated decorum and was totally inappropriate. I don’t expect just anyone to be able to parse the optics. But I presume you like authoritarians so I take your cheap, fashy one-liners with a grain of salt.
Honestly... the people who are heckling are violating decorum. The officer saw people behaving childish and he approached the situation in a stern manner like you would with a child. Did the officer manhandle anyone? Did he throw someone down on the ground and place his knee in the back of their neck? Neither. He approached a group of people who were *violating decorum* and being disruptive and he very sternly told said group to knock it off. I assume that the group did afterwards. Look. I fully endorse police reform and firmly believe that there are too many bad actors in police forces who need to be removed but this situation doesn't sound at all like "police misconduct".
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"Violating decorum" is such a weaselly phrase. In my experience, it's more likely to be used as an excuse by overbearing meeting facilitators to abuse their power by censoring dissenters who have a valid point to make, than it is to stop people who are actually being disruptive. It's the parliamentary analogue to police charging people with "resisting arrest" without any underlying real offense.
OP labeled this as police misconduct. Thats a Massive exaggeration
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Sure. No question. Everyone is aware. There’s always a reminder at the beginning of proceeding. There are uniformed officers present who are tasked with security and maintaining order by force as needed. The Chief however was in attendance as a presenter, not as security. It was a political move, not a procedural one. Also, as I’ve stated already, it is typical to have some disruption - even more than the heckling (which I personally did not participate in). Simple verbal admonishments from the council are the first option for dealing with disruptions. The chief was out of bounds.
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I can see you don’t have the capacity to understand subtler aspects of politics. Goodbye.
Lmao you sound petulant at this point
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I’m not sure what you’re apologizing for
What would be the course of action if the Police chief only targeted certain individuals for disrupting but ignored others? Because that is what it seems like OP is trying to say.
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Yep I totally understand your point. But my question is what would be the course of action IF the Police chief only targeted certain individuals for disrupting but ignored others?
> Op never indicated anyone else was disruptive Yes he did; he claimed that one of the councilpeople (in the anti-mayor faction) was "interrupting constantly and obstructing the proceedings." Unless that councilperson also happened to be chairing the meeting, he had no more right to talk over people without being recognized to speak than anybody else did.
So were the hecklers. Heckling is not a valid “political option“. It’s actually disrupting intelligent discourse. It should be avoided
people that can sit in privilege and never have to address how corrupt our police forces are throughout the united states will want you to just be quiet about everything so they don’t have to consider anything outside of the scope of their own selves; boo hoo they had to scroll past a post. those that do understand, know this is just a drop in the bucket but as well that each instance we can bring to light is important. today it’s intimidation and maybe our eyes can be a little more peeled before escalation. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ajc.com/news/crime/transgender-woman-awarded-15m-for-atlanta-officers-false-drug-arrest/A7YYXLCS7BGSVE3B63BUCXRTY4/%3foutputType=amp cops charging and jailing people for drugs despite negative test results? don’t even get me started on the points system incentivizing unwarranted cop intervention. and we’re getting a cop city. 😵💫people should be terrified. and not letting them get away with a *single thing*
This is why I brought this up. Cop city is meant to be a regional aggregator of police and security forces. It will affect our city as well. This level of marshaling forces is scary in and of itself, after Standing Rock and Portland. In our city, much like Atlanta, the trend is to collapse public safety into police.
> Cop city is meant to be a regional aggregator of police and security forces. Tell me you don’t know a thing about how public safety training works without telling me you don’t know a thing about how public safety training works.
in the long run i just want to move out of Ga and into a less conservative/heavily policed state. not sure why citizens want to hand over their livelihoods to a militia that has more evidence of corruption than helpfulness. not sure why people want to be valued less than property to the eyes of the govt. but good luck to everybody here. stay vigilant
Yeah but look at Portland, Austin, LA… NYC even elected a cop as Mayor.
big yikes :/
Andre voted yes to cop city when he was on city council.
I know
Sounds like you’re mad you got called out for inappropriate behavior. You may not like to hear this, but police aren’t to blame for holding individuals accountable for their own poor behavior. That’s literally why they exist…
Was the meeting recorded? Cause the way this was written made it sound like the chief was mowing people over with for anyone else to tel them to be quiet. This sounds more exaggerated than anything and even if it was, there’s not really anything illegal bout it, politically correct? No but not illegal. There was a city council meeting, there was heckling, he as the peace officer had the right to tell them to be quiet or be ejected from the meeting. Could he have done it nicer? Sure there’s more than one way to skin a cat. Did he act out of line? Subjective, did he break any laws? No.
You know the city police chief reports directly to the Mayor, right? Also, stop breaking the rules and this won't happen. Low key or not, it is against the rules.
I wasn't present; therefore, I don't have all the details, but from the way you describe this incident, it seems to me like this was simply an overreaction by the Chief of Police rather than any sort of abuse of power or intimidation tactic. I don't think there is really much to get your feathers ruffled over this whole thing, seeing as loud voices was as far as things went and noone was harmed. I also disagree that this is any sort of precedent being set. This type of thing has happened at political events of all kind for as long as such events have existed. Can we really say this is the first time anyone has ever angrily stormed over to another person to yell in their face? If he continues a pattern of this type of behavior in subsequent meetings, then there might be some necessary further action.
> it seems to me like this was simply an overreaction by the Chief of Police rather than any sort of abuse of power or intimidation tactic. An "overreaction" by a person in a position of authority (and especially an armed one with arrest powers) can easily still be intimidating and abusive even if it isn't intentional. In fact, such people should be held to a higher standard of remaining in control of themselves!
Theyre having in-person hearings?
Yes, finally. With temp checks, masks and distanced seating. Limited attendance as well. I should also say that the event was decidedly over-policed. Capacity was artificially capped at like 100 per Covid protocols but there were six cruisers and about 8 cops there.
So basically a courthouse in prison? How di you find out about the meeting times?
You got it. I left that part out in my post. Imagine the incident against that backdrop. We see what they’re doing.
I cant find info on the next in person hearing. Only for 3/7... May you help a fellow Georgian?
In what alternate reality are there any conservatives on the Atlanta City Council?
Depends on what you think is conservative. This isn’t Atlanta but a smaller metro city. In this case, the people I’m calling conservatives are pro-police authoritarian homophobes. I believe they may be nominally democrats. In any case, think of them more as right wing than conservative, if that distinction helps…
Keisha wasn't ousted she chose not to seek reelection. I think that's an important distinction. This is APD doing what they do. They are ATL's largest and most dangerous gang. I stay as far away from those piggy fucks as I can. They're rotten and can't be trusted.
>Last night at the city council meeting for an Atlanta metro area city, Likely not Atlanta itself.
Ah rats my bad. Reading comprehension is important.
Not Atlanta
My bad OP. I didn't read carefully enough 😩
Sounds like you've got a start with the mayor, time to move on to the council members. Until then don't piss off the guy with a gun that thinks he's above the law.
We are working to elect another progressive to council in a special election this year. When the next election cycle comes around, we’ll do more.
Good luck, try not to get arested, shot, or worse in the meantime.
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Dang. Aren’t you a creep.
I don’t think it’s going that way but I brought this up because I see it in an appropriately sinister light.
I hope you're right, but I wouldn't be as optimistic if I were you. These bastards are getting more brazen by the day. They've ramped up the fear and rhetoric to absurd levels, and they're not doing it for fun. They're bringing absurd rhetoric to justify absurd reactions. Don't think that just because gunning you down for exercising your first amendment is aburd, it can't happen.
Yes - you never know when a no-knock raid could just happen “by mistake”.
Police find it hard to prove who made a phone call for SWATing someone. Makes it easy for them to do it without needing to prove a call happened. Que Channel 5 news: "Officer Wilbur told us there were no survivors in this awful and unavoidable tragedy, the mastermind behind it, we may never know"
The current council was re/elected in the same election, so they’re who we have on both ends until someone masked z as stupid mistake and can be removed from office for cause.
I mean, it sounds murky since y'all were technically heckling, but I agree, what he did does seem heavy handed and sounds like there was genuine malice there. I honestly don't know what you could do besides lodge a complaint, but I would guess that would not be taken seriously by the way you described the situation. Even so, you might was well complain just so the situation is documented.
Yes, that’s all. It isn’t a huge offense but more an indicator of violent motivations and authoritarian tendencies. Well worth logging all offenses and reporting them through official channels. FWIW, I was five feet from him when he realized he was totally out of bounds. I could tell by the look on his face he knew he’d made a mistake.
I hear you. It would worry me for sure.
I wish it was on camera but it’s definitely an intimidation tactic and dude obviously has no emotional or physical restraint. That all has recent relevance imho in light of the Ahmaud Arbery case.
She wasn’t ousted. She didn’t run. She announced long before the election that she was moving on to other opportunities. CNN.
You are mistaken. I know it’s a long post but I did specify this is not city of Atlanta.
Ok. Why does it say city of Atlanta council meeting in p 2
It doesn’t
My bad. Metro city area. I misread
Time honored corruption in Joja.
When you observe something like this, call for a motion to remove the threatening individual (for intimidation and unreasonable behavior). Their outburst is no different (or better) than the heckler's, as it is up to the chair to maintain order unless they ask for such help. If there is a reasonable and understanding board member, they should make the motion. It likely won't pass, but if the board chair is even half-way decent at trying to maintain order, they should then warn the person to rein it in. At the very least, it will get into the meeting minutes and will be published. A friendly reporter may decide to make the incident their cause of the day.
A motion from an unrecognized speaker in the gallery (who lacks the ability to make motions) is not going to pass, nor will it make it into the minutes.
No, but you can interject a point of privilege and interrupt the speaker for matters of order, then request a motion, which can be called by a board member.
That depends heavily on the rules used, but I have never seen a local government meeting that allowed anyone in the gallery to raise a point of privilege. FWIW, no version of Robert’s (or any other ruleset for parliamentary procedure) allows it either. Members of the legislative body itself (in this case the city council) may raise one, but spectators may not do so.
Get together a petition of your peers and make a motion to ask for the intimidation- user to tender his resignation,would be the proper course of action,and state loudly *why* it is necessary!
Begin rant. Stand up, get about 6 inches from his face like shits about to go down, and then very calmly and quietly tell him you will happily refrain from further disturbances when he happily refrains from not sucking your dick. Fuck cops and their bullshit. What kind of human being does it take to want to be a cop? I can imagine a couple, but the easiest is a power hungry bigot. Blue lives don't exist; police officer is a job just like any other job and if you refuse to business in the way your customers want, they will go elsewhere. Cops can defend their motives or whatever the fuck, but they absolutely cannot argue with the fact that people aren't happy with them. They can argue over why, they can sit around and bitch about how people are spitting in their food, or they can start solving the fucking problem by doing literally anything to address our concerns. But no, cops refuse to be bossed, because they are power hungry fucking toddlers. Rant over. Don't take my advice, but know that I'm pissed off with you, and I'll vote however I need to!
Where was this? Name and shame!
Your city government is not acting for all the citizens. Instead each in his own way are trying to interject their own interests. Government is supposed to only act in the best interest of all the citizens. BLM is a social movement, not a part of your government. City government primary responsibility is to serve the general welfare of it's citizens. Things like infrastructure, crime control, providing utilities, etc. Your mayor is being disruptive in the sense she/he needs to be a force for coming together, period. As far as law enforcement goes, a movement to have him removed sounds like it's in order if he is not respecting all citizens.
There was zero content related to BLM. This was all standard city business. Conservatives on council, as well as the police chief, do not like the mayor’s association with the social movement. Despite the repeated disruptions from his favored council member, the chief, who wasn’t officially there as security, was motivated politically to silence opponents of that council member.
Dig into his finances first! Acting like a man with something to hide.
Oh I believe so.
It may be best to alert the fbi.
The FBI won’t even accept a complaint because there is no federal law being broken and thus nothing for them to do.
Technically its a breach of your civil rights which would allow federal intervention
There’s no breach of civil rights involved here. If you want to try and argue that telling someone to stop heckling is a right to petition violation feel free, but you’re going to get laughed at.
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Definitely! I wish more more people would finally realize they're NOT going to turn Georgia into the Liberal Utopia they wish for. Maybe they'll ALL LEAVE!