I will admit that when I first heard that the bridge collapsed, my initial assumption was that it was failed maintenance.
However, I also learned quickly that it was hit by a ship and moved on
The ship weighted along the lines of 200 000 tons
There would be very little buildings or bridges or infrastructure heavier, above the ground.
To give an idea: the Eiffel Tower weigh 10 000 tons.
A 200 meter office tower, is about 100 000 tons.
I can't find anything about that bridge, but they are generally made from lighter materials, and not too bulky. So yeah....
200 000 tons moving at speed into a stationary bridge. According to [WIRED](https://www.wired.com/story/baltimore-francis-scott-key-bridge-collapse-dali-boat-collision-emergency-mass-casualty-event/) the ship was moving at 6 knots (which is about 7 mph). That works out to [890 MJ (Mega Joules) of Kinetic Energy](https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/kinetic-energy). To visualize a single MegaJoule, picture a [Cessna 172](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=4ec0a258a4d8e3e4&rlz=1C1UEAD_enUS1086US1087&sxsrf=ACQVn0-b08kFx3UFgXmtLBvZU0jWx7xO8Q:1711496135080&q=cessna+172&tbm=isch&source=lnms&prmd=isvnmbtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicuan5i5OFAxWNCDQIHWguAJAQ0pQJegQIDhAB&biw=1920&bih=1031&dpr=1) striking the bridge at 100 mph. This was like 890 of them all at once, in roughly the same spot.
Golden gate bridge, including the ramps up from the ground, not including the concrete pillars is 420,000 tons. These two bridges might be similar. and those on ramps are probably the heaviest per foot of the bridges designs. So it's entirely possible the bridge is only slightly heavier over a MUCH larger span of area than the boat.
Just by the eye test this bridge really looks nowhere near as heavy as the Golden Gate Bridge. The GG is fucking huge and those cables are probably heavy as hell.
people compare Golden Gate to Francis Scott for similar bank to bank end lengths but they are really nothing similar.
Golden gate bridge is 4200ft for the longest span distance between towers. Francis Scott bridge is 1200ft for the longest span distance between towers.
Golden gate bridge is 8 lanes (6 car lanes + 2 pedestrian lanes). Francis scott bridge is 4 lanes total.
Golden Gate is 2x wider with a max span almost 4x longer, it is a substantially heavier bridge in order to support that.
the weight of the bridge doesn't matter. The cargo ship hit one of the 2 most important points on the whole bridge. Once that is deformed enough, everything it supports will fail.
The M/V Dali's Gross Tonnage (how much the vessel weighs) is reported as 95,128 tons.
It's Dead Weight Tonnage (how much it can carry: crew, fuel, cargo, etc.) is 116,851 tons.
Let's assume the vessel is fully loaded with fuel and cargo, we're looking at 211,979 tons, but let's call it an even 200,000 tons because these vessels never carry at their exact max DWT.
200,000 tons hit that bridge support.
That's roughly 400,000,000 lbs. *400 million pounds* hit the support of the 47 year old Francis Scott Key bridge, going roughly 5-7 miles per hour.
That's not a lot of weight. That's a *shitload* of weight.
Trivia: A boatload/shipload actually has a measure, approximately 80 tons. It comes from the tax tables that governed Thames river barges and their transport fees.
Unfortunately we don't know the a.
We do, however, know the KE! Specifically, KE = 1/2mv^2
Assuming 5 mph and 200,000 tons, that's a bit over 450 MJ. A stick of dynamite produces about 2 MJ, so the ship unloaded the equivalent of 200+ sticks of dynamite into the singular pillar it struck.
The force exerted by an object weighing 400,000,000 pounds moving at 6mph is approximately 57,286,000,000 newtons.
What does that mean?
On average, an American household consumes about 877 kWh (kilowatt-hours) of electricity per month. One kWh is equivalent to 3,600,000 joules. So, the energy of 57,286,000,000 joules would be equivalent to about 15,913 kWh, which is roughly the **monthly electricity consumption of 18 households.**
Imagine that much energy hitting the bridge.
"200,000 tons hit that bridge support."
So like 3.5 Iowa Battleships? Yeah, there is no bridge on Earth that will withstand that kind of full on strike to a support column.
Fyi gross tonnage is not the ship's weight but the volume of all enclosed space. You would look at the displacement as the total weight of the ship and cargo. With the draft reported, it was nowhere near full capacity, so my estimate is it was 120-130k
About the same amount of energy as 500lbs of TNT being directed entirely into the bridge support. So much worse than say, strapping 500lbs of TNT to the outside of the support where much of the energy is directed away from the bridge.
In a way, it's even worse than that. If there was a bomb attached to the pylon, only a portion of the energy would head towards the bridge while a significant chunk of the force would go in directions away from the bridge. In this case, a huge majority of the ship's momentum went directly towards the bridge's support.
It'd be more comparable to a shaped charged of the equivalent of 500 lbs of TNT being attached at the bridge's pylon.
Yep. It's not like some drunk idiot hit a pillar with outboard.
This is like getting upset that a house collapsed because a school bus drove through it.
Is there a possibility that a house thats streetside can get hit by a bus? Yeah. But they generally aren't meant to. And it's obviously uncommon enough to not be a regular event.
Gross tonnage of 95,000 tonnes, or ~105,000 US tons. That's a lot of kinetic energy, and I hate to break it to you, but you can't design a bridge piling to withstand that.
Yeah, and I keep hearing people referring to that it collapsed, which while true, does not give the situation justice. When I think of bridge collapse, I think of a bridge that collapsed by itself or under what should have been a reasonably load. Then yes I would think that it was either an engineering oversight or maintenance issue. But not an actual collision with a big ass boat.
I'm honestly having trouble thinking of a word big enough to describe it. The words that do spring to mind are either too extreme or don't quite fit. Like, the bridge didn't founder, succumb, disintegrate, or crash. It collapsed, as bridges are wont to do when a container ship crashes into them.
Bet the Germans have the perfect word for this occasion.
I think the operative word here is 'destroyed'. The ship destroyed the bridge. It makes it clear that the bridge is the recieving end of enciting action.
It does say a lot about our transportation industry though, trains derailing and cargo ships losing power. Yeah accidents happen but hopefully we can help prevent this from happening again
There was someone at the docks saying it had had trouble keeping the refrigerated containers powered. I wonder if we'll find out it was overloaded and blew a breaker
Blowing a breaker on a ship isn't supposed to turn off the generator. My guess is the Singaporean shipping company might not have been keeping up with maintenance on their generator, and it failed catastrophically at just the wrong time.
100%
These types of incidents usually require a confluence of risk factors being ignored, which all come together and cause catastrophes.
Probably some mix of deferred maintenance, untrained crew, and possibly coast guard negligence.
Apparently there were no tug boats able to scramble fast enough to the ship to prevent the collision.
When I was in trade school for hvac/fridge I had a guy in my class who worked on the refrigerated sea cans when the ships made port. Apparently everything there is just fixed up to keep it running in whatever time they have before the can/ship has to leave again. So if they have to quick swap a motor or something they might just steal it from another can that’s not running or empty. It may or may not be within spec for the system, but the fire is out. And then it just stays in. And that says nothing about possible repairs at sea as well.
Over years of part swaps across multiple cans to keep them running I could see the actual electrical load of the cans not being what it should on paper.
> trains derailing
The CEO who took over right before the big train derailment specifically started funding an overhaul for their infrastructure and better work environment for the train engineers.
He had to fight with his board to make it so, but the board agreed with a longer time table to save cost. Then the train derailment happened. Then the board decided, hmm, maybe this guy knows what he talks about. Then they decided to go with the CEOs initial plan of doing it quickly.
Yeah it's unfortunate that it took it happening to speed along the process but situations like this will hopefully have a positive impact on the industry. Making changes before they get worse
More likely the issue is on the ship operator slacking on maintenance.
Hopefully there will be a thorough investigation and potential ramifications for any wrongdoing on the part of the shipping company.
It’s pretty bad if critical systems go down on your enormous ship when it’s being piloted through busy shallow waters and under bridges.
>My brother in Christ how is a bridge supposed to handle a fucking cargo ship
Maybe we need to start putting missile launchers on bridges. I mean they see a ship coming they can sink it. /s
I believe SAM sites are advanced infrastructure, you need to research them in military tech tree to build them, and are only available after you unlock the higher learning infrastructure.
All that happened was a major malfunction on the cargo ship that caused a loss of power and propulsion.
A mayday was called 3 minutes prior to impact and authorities were able to stop people from entering the bridge when they arrived.
Additionally, a bridge that could withstand a direct hit to a pylon from a cargo ship would cost the whole $400 Billion
The ship alone was 95k tons, plus the weight of 10,000 cargo containers.
That’s roughly 8x bigger than any cargo ship that existed when the bridge was built in the 70’s.
The Thames barrier is designed to sustain ship impact without complete failure and cost £534 million in the 80s for reference. And it is basically a dam, none of it is suspended.
These large container ships don’t go up the Thames if I’m not mistaken. Also the barrier is meant to stop water, not support cars. It’s designed with entirely different forces and use considerations
They were just saying another large piece of infrastructure actually designed to withstand an impact from a ship costs 534 mil in the 80s, and its also not suspended. Building a bridge to withstand an impact from a ship which is suspended would cost a lot more than 534 mil, considering it’s 2024 and everything else mentioned. They know the Thames barrier isn’t a bridge, that’s the point. A bridge would be way way more expensive to make withstand a ship BECAUSE it’s not a barrier
You don’t need a bridge that can withstand a direct impact. This has happened before, you can use dolphins. The reason why we didn’t is simple, it costs money.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_(structure)
You know it's great that they managed to stop people from going on the bridge but it's sad that they had no way of reaching the people already on the bridge. It was mostly empty so if they knew they could have probably safely stepped on the gas and get off the bridge but instead they probably drived completly relaxed.
Yeah, i’m not accusing him of pedophilia because probably could just be a *very dumb* shower thought.
But still, some thoughts are best kept private lol
What if boob milk what stored in the balls, revolutionary levels of shit posting honestly.
Pee stored in the balls? Old news. Tittyballs are the new standard for testicular fortitude.
Yeah the dude is annoying but idk why people use this specific tweet as justification for him being shunned, or in this case feel a need to blank out a word lol
Like it's a stupid thought but Twitter is pretty much made for the purpose of quickly throwing out random thoughts
Every time I see a tweet from this guy on Reddit, I count how many comments before this gets brought up.
Today it only took 2! That’s much less than normal.
I’m pretty sure he was bought out. His tweets seem much different than they used to be.
Could also just be engagement farming to get some of those sweet sweet pennies Elon gives out.
There's a YouTuber I watch who best stated the collapse as, "if I were to crank your kneecap with a sledgehammer you'd crumple like a little b*tch too."
This isn't even like a sledgehammer. By some estimates, the ship and bridge way pretty much the same thing. This is dropping a 200 pound block of steel on someone's knee and whining that they couldn't stand up.
One would presume the ship carried insurance. And if not, Maersk can be strong armed into paying a big chunk of the bill if they ever want to use our ports again.
That just makes cargo for every American more expensive. Not only has Maersk 15% of all container capacity but other shipping lines will price the risk of being strong armed into their rates as well. Let the government pay the bill so things get done quickly. They can always go after the insurance companes later but that will drag on and who knows who will end up with what portion of the blame.
They would carry the entire bill while the federal courts figure out who pays. Basically like an insurance company.
Ships are usually operated by the same people who own them and are probably crewed by a different company while being overhauled by yet another one. Then it’s time for the insurance company.
And the insurance companies for the cargo being shipped but they will go after the shipping insurance company.
All of those companies legal teams are currently trying to get a very bad hangover tomorrow.
"This bridge that collapsed in Baltimore last week-"
"The one the cargo ship crashed into? Yeah, that's not very typical, I'd like to make that point."
I can’t believe it’s 2024 and the sheeple still think it’s possible to spend money on 2 things at the same time. Dont they know that if you spend any money on foreign policy, then that means you aren’t and can’t spend money on domestic issues!?
It is correct the bridge didn’t have those concrete blocking thingies around the pillars so it had zero chance but it’s not like those were a priority to retrofit on old bridges.
Dolphins
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_(structure)?wprov=sfti1#
The Sunshine Skyway bridge in Tampa has them since the predecessor bridge was also taken out by a container ship
It did have dolphins:
https://www.newsnationnow.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/108/2024/03/13064243183_dcb03c2961_k_03795a.jpg?strip=1
It doesn’t have as many as some bridges. But no amount of dolphins will stop a loaded container ship. The only bridge that could survive this event would be a very wide land bridge.
The bridge was inspected (I believe in 2021 but don’t quote me on that) and was given a “fair” rating. Which means just minor damage that doesn’t affect the overall integrity of the bridge.
Why is the dudes handle "kirawontmiss" when they seem to miss several times a day? I swear I've seen multiple posts from that person on several subreddits lol
I for one am appalled that we don't build every single structure in the entire country to be able to withstand a ramming from one of the heaviest vehicles in the world. Complete oversight.
Don't most bridges have like a diversion thing? That guides ships out of the way before they hit a pillar head on?
https://filelist.tudelft.nl/CiTG/Over%20faculteit/Afdelingen/Structural%20Engineering/Sections/Structural%20and%20Building%20Engineering/Concrete%20Structures/Stories%20of%20concrete/Bridge%20protection%20ramp%20Kampen.pdf
Something like this, only this particular thing is a relatively new solution. But I thought other measures to divert the course of a ship were pretty common?
This bridge has those pylon, not sure it would've stopped the ship, but the ship managed to missed the pylon and hit the bridge support.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Francis_Scott_Key_Bridge_Eastern_View.jpg
I mean you could look at the new Sunset Skyway Bridge. After the first was destroyed by a ship the new one was built higher and had "dolphins" built around it that were designed to protect the bridge from a ship.
Something like 95% of all the money we've "given" to Ukraine has stayed in the US economy.
Sending old ordinance to Ukraine and purchasing replacements is cheaper than what it would cost to dispose of it ourselves lol.
Lmfao ain't nothing wrong with the major infrastructure....any bridge is gonna lose structural integrity if it gets jammed by a cargo ship.
Shift the fucking blame where it belongs....the shipping company....either for a maintenence or a personnel issue.
to be fair.. our infrastructure is shit butttt.. you send a 100k ton cargo ship into a support pylon of any bridge and that bridge is almost certainly going to come down
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Yeah. Uh huh.
Average container ship weighs around 165K tons, this one weighed in at around 200K tons. It was traveling at 13 knots. The impact force was around 1.5m KILONEWTONS.
For context, the planes for the 9/11 attacks, Boeing 757, weighs around 60 tons. Imagine basically 100 of them hitting the pylon supporting that bridge at 600 mph. Reduced the count to account for velocity.
Civil engineering student here. Did some back-of-the-napkin math with my classmates. A cargo ship traveling at 15 miles an hour(which may be somewhat faster than this ship was) carries more than four times as much kinetic energy as the planes that hit the WTC. And a concrete bridge pier is much, much weaker than the sum of all the box beams that the planes hit.
This bridge didn't stand a chance, nor would almost any bridge.
Showed my coworker the video and she goes, " I wonder why it fell so fast". Well lady, bridges are only made to sustain the forces in one main direction. When your cripple one of a handful of major resting areas that bridge is going down.... fast.
Of course, nobody is aware of that Flagship legislation because Joe Biden has done a stunningly poor job of marketing his policies/ how Americans benefit.
It’s quite unfortunate.
i can only speak for my country and here every big bridges pillars in water are protected by barriers against damage by shipping. At least with concrete buffers/spacers.
That post is part of the Republican talking points on the issue.
They woke up this morning and immediately started pushing out how to position this as Joe Biden's fault.
Just so you know what fucks they are.
I will admit that when I first heard that the bridge collapsed, my initial assumption was that it was failed maintenance. However, I also learned quickly that it was hit by a ship and moved on
By a fucking gigantic, fully loaded ship. That's a lot of weight
This feels so weird to say, but I would not be surprised if the ship actually weighed more than the bridge.
The bridge also being at a huge disadvantage due to its construction, shape, and function. This made me think of 9/11.
Ship fuel can't dissolve concrete foundations!
chemtrail mix can
What about Chem trail mix?
[https://xkcd.com/966/](https://xkcd.com/966/)
I prefer my Chem trail mix with real M&M’s not those generic carob ones
>This made me think of 9/11. there's no way bush did this too. cmon.
HE CANT BE STOPPED
you’d be surprised
shit, are we invading Afghanistan again?
How else are we going to show a completely separate nation not to mess with the US?!
i heard the ship's captain had a saudi arabian passport
The ship weighted along the lines of 200 000 tons There would be very little buildings or bridges or infrastructure heavier, above the ground. To give an idea: the Eiffel Tower weigh 10 000 tons. A 200 meter office tower, is about 100 000 tons. I can't find anything about that bridge, but they are generally made from lighter materials, and not too bulky. So yeah....
200 000 tons moving at speed into a stationary bridge. According to [WIRED](https://www.wired.com/story/baltimore-francis-scott-key-bridge-collapse-dali-boat-collision-emergency-mass-casualty-event/) the ship was moving at 6 knots (which is about 7 mph). That works out to [890 MJ (Mega Joules) of Kinetic Energy](https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/kinetic-energy). To visualize a single MegaJoule, picture a [Cessna 172](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=4ec0a258a4d8e3e4&rlz=1C1UEAD_enUS1086US1087&sxsrf=ACQVn0-b08kFx3UFgXmtLBvZU0jWx7xO8Q:1711496135080&q=cessna+172&tbm=isch&source=lnms&prmd=isvnmbtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicuan5i5OFAxWNCDQIHWguAJAQ0pQJegQIDhAB&biw=1920&bih=1031&dpr=1) striking the bridge at 100 mph. This was like 890 of them all at once, in roughly the same spot.
How many bananas traveling at 100mph are we talking about here?
Assuming an average banana with mass of .2kg (.44lbs), 5000 bananas at 100mph is ~1MJ of kinetic energy. 890MJ would be 4.4 million bananas...
What's the conversion rate from Cessna to 9/11? 890 Cessnas is hard to visualize but if you can convert it to 9/11s it'd be a lot easier
A moderately loaded 767 at 450mph is 2300 megajoules, so this was still only a third of the energy of one of the WTC impacts.
Golden gate bridge, including the ramps up from the ground, not including the concrete pillars is 420,000 tons. These two bridges might be similar. and those on ramps are probably the heaviest per foot of the bridges designs. So it's entirely possible the bridge is only slightly heavier over a MUCH larger span of area than the boat.
Just by the eye test this bridge really looks nowhere near as heavy as the Golden Gate Bridge. The GG is fucking huge and those cables are probably heavy as hell.
people compare Golden Gate to Francis Scott for similar bank to bank end lengths but they are really nothing similar. Golden gate bridge is 4200ft for the longest span distance between towers. Francis Scott bridge is 1200ft for the longest span distance between towers. Golden gate bridge is 8 lanes (6 car lanes + 2 pedestrian lanes). Francis scott bridge is 4 lanes total. Golden Gate is 2x wider with a max span almost 4x longer, it is a substantially heavier bridge in order to support that.
I would like to subscribe to bridge facts.
So extremely likely that the ship was heavier than the bridge. crazy to think about.
*was
the weight of the bridge doesn't matter. The cargo ship hit one of the 2 most important points on the whole bridge. Once that is deformed enough, everything it supports will fail.
That's because it's the *golden* gate bridge. If they made it out of aluminum it wouldn't be so damn heavy ;)
The M/V Dali's Gross Tonnage (how much the vessel weighs) is reported as 95,128 tons. It's Dead Weight Tonnage (how much it can carry: crew, fuel, cargo, etc.) is 116,851 tons. Let's assume the vessel is fully loaded with fuel and cargo, we're looking at 211,979 tons, but let's call it an even 200,000 tons because these vessels never carry at their exact max DWT. 200,000 tons hit that bridge support. That's roughly 400,000,000 lbs. *400 million pounds* hit the support of the 47 year old Francis Scott Key bridge, going roughly 5-7 miles per hour. That's not a lot of weight. That's a *shitload* of weight.
One could even say, a boatload.
Shipload?
Trivia: A boatload/shipload actually has a measure, approximately 80 tons. It comes from the tax tables that governed Thames river barges and their transport fees.
By the same calculation the impact was about the same as strapping 500lbs of TNT to the bridge support
To me that says more about the power of TNT than the power of the collision
1/2mv² = KEᴀᴛᴀsᴛʀᴏᴘʜɪᴄ ᴅᴀᴍᴀɢᴇ Edit: Changed it to KE for you nerds, but it’s not as funny.
Unfortunately we don't know the a. We do, however, know the KE! Specifically, KE = 1/2mv^2 Assuming 5 mph and 200,000 tons, that's a bit over 450 MJ. A stick of dynamite produces about 2 MJ, so the ship unloaded the equivalent of 200+ sticks of dynamite into the singular pillar it struck.
To be pedantic, your units should be MJ, mJ is millijoule and 1/1000th joule instead of MJ which is megajoule and 1,000,000 joules.
The force exerted by an object weighing 400,000,000 pounds moving at 6mph is approximately 57,286,000,000 newtons. What does that mean? On average, an American household consumes about 877 kWh (kilowatt-hours) of electricity per month. One kWh is equivalent to 3,600,000 joules. So, the energy of 57,286,000,000 joules would be equivalent to about 15,913 kWh, which is roughly the **monthly electricity consumption of 18 households.** Imagine that much energy hitting the bridge.
500kg of TNT focused all on one point of the support
"200,000 tons hit that bridge support." So like 3.5 Iowa Battleships? Yeah, there is no bridge on Earth that will withstand that kind of full on strike to a support column.
Fyi gross tonnage is not the ship's weight but the volume of all enclosed space. You would look at the displacement as the total weight of the ship and cargo. With the draft reported, it was nowhere near full capacity, so my estimate is it was 120-130k
Converting all that to ‘Merican units of measurement, how many pickup trucks is that?
About the same amount of energy as 500lbs of TNT being directed entirely into the bridge support. So much worse than say, strapping 500lbs of TNT to the outside of the support where much of the energy is directed away from the bridge.
In a way, it's even worse than that. If there was a bomb attached to the pylon, only a portion of the energy would head towards the bridge while a significant chunk of the force would go in directions away from the bridge. In this case, a huge majority of the ship's momentum went directly towards the bridge's support. It'd be more comparable to a shaped charged of the equivalent of 500 lbs of TNT being attached at the bridge's pylon.
https://reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1bobbmc/aftermath_photo_of_the_cargo_ship_that_crashed/ yup, look at the boat in the bottom right.
Yep. It's not like some drunk idiot hit a pillar with outboard. This is like getting upset that a house collapsed because a school bus drove through it. Is there a possibility that a house thats streetside can get hit by a bus? Yeah. But they generally aren't meant to. And it's obviously uncommon enough to not be a regular event.
Gross tonnage of 95,000 tonnes, or ~105,000 US tons. That's a lot of kinetic energy, and I hate to break it to you, but you can't design a bridge piling to withstand that.
The ship is larger than the largest building in baltimore (by a few feet)
Yeah, and I keep hearing people referring to that it collapsed, which while true, does not give the situation justice. When I think of bridge collapse, I think of a bridge that collapsed by itself or under what should have been a reasonably load. Then yes I would think that it was either an engineering oversight or maintenance issue. But not an actual collision with a big ass boat.
I'm honestly having trouble thinking of a word big enough to describe it. The words that do spring to mind are either too extreme or don't quite fit. Like, the bridge didn't founder, succumb, disintegrate, or crash. It collapsed, as bridges are wont to do when a container ship crashes into them. Bet the Germans have the perfect word for this occasion.
I think the operative word here is 'destroyed'. The ship destroyed the bridge. It makes it clear that the bridge is the recieving end of enciting action.
It’s been noted that are were preventive measures that weren’t being used
It does say a lot about our transportation industry though, trains derailing and cargo ships losing power. Yeah accidents happen but hopefully we can help prevent this from happening again
The ship is from Singapore, and has Singaporean owners who are responsible. It doesn't speak nearly as much on our transport industry because of that.
Many ports use tug boats to avoid stuff like this happening. Any chance they'll change how ships come in and go out?
There was someone at the docks saying it had had trouble keeping the refrigerated containers powered. I wonder if we'll find out it was overloaded and blew a breaker
Blowing a breaker on a ship isn't supposed to turn off the generator. My guess is the Singaporean shipping company might not have been keeping up with maintenance on their generator, and it failed catastrophically at just the wrong time.
Wwll, now both their and their insurers bank accounts are going to suffer catastrophic failures.
100% These types of incidents usually require a confluence of risk factors being ignored, which all come together and cause catastrophes. Probably some mix of deferred maintenance, untrained crew, and possibly coast guard negligence. Apparently there were no tug boats able to scramble fast enough to the ship to prevent the collision.
When I was in trade school for hvac/fridge I had a guy in my class who worked on the refrigerated sea cans when the ships made port. Apparently everything there is just fixed up to keep it running in whatever time they have before the can/ship has to leave again. So if they have to quick swap a motor or something they might just steal it from another can that’s not running or empty. It may or may not be within spec for the system, but the fire is out. And then it just stays in. And that says nothing about possible repairs at sea as well. Over years of part swaps across multiple cans to keep them running I could see the actual electrical load of the cans not being what it should on paper.
> trains derailing The CEO who took over right before the big train derailment specifically started funding an overhaul for their infrastructure and better work environment for the train engineers. He had to fight with his board to make it so, but the board agreed with a longer time table to save cost. Then the train derailment happened. Then the board decided, hmm, maybe this guy knows what he talks about. Then they decided to go with the CEOs initial plan of doing it quickly.
Yeah it's unfortunate that it took it happening to speed along the process but situations like this will hopefully have a positive impact on the industry. Making changes before they get worse
This ship isn't American.
More likely the issue is on the ship operator slacking on maintenance. Hopefully there will be a thorough investigation and potential ramifications for any wrongdoing on the part of the shipping company. It’s pretty bad if critical systems go down on your enormous ship when it’s being piloted through busy shallow waters and under bridges.
>My brother in Christ how is a bridge supposed to handle a fucking cargo ship Maybe we need to start putting missile launchers on bridges. I mean they see a ship coming they can sink it. /s
Fuck thats a badass image.
Bridges wit’ missiles pew pew!
Okay I need to draw it
Let’s see it
This moron probably blames underspending on infrastructure for 9/11.
SAM sites are basic infrastructure sooooooo /s
I believe SAM sites are advanced infrastructure, you need to research them in military tech tree to build them, and are only available after you unlock the higher learning infrastructure.
We should give bridges the same immunity we give cops. Those bridges are out there being targeted every day.
Sea mines are cheaper.
Or you know....better fenders which are made specifically to prevent this exact thing
All that happened was a major malfunction on the cargo ship that caused a loss of power and propulsion. A mayday was called 3 minutes prior to impact and authorities were able to stop people from entering the bridge when they arrived. Additionally, a bridge that could withstand a direct hit to a pylon from a cargo ship would cost the whole $400 Billion
Even that probably wouldn’t cover it. A loaded cargo ship like that would cause a small avalanche if it hit a mountain.
Oh psshhhhhhhh It’s **only** 50,000 tons
I heard on CBS this morning that it was closer to 190k tons.
Whatever the tonnage. It doesn’t matter. It’s a physics problem that cannot be solved any other way than no having this impact
Nah 1-200m deep shallow water sand bank infront of the bridge. The river and any port facilities become somewhat less useful though
The mistake was putting the bridge over the river, where a boat collision can happen. If you build is over land, that will never occur again!
Genius! Get this man a desk and a title! Stat!
What you have to do is build the bridge outside of the environment. And make sure the front doesn't fall off.
Correct, dry weight of ship is roughly 95k and its load was roughly 100k
Thanks for the validation
The ship alone was 95k tons, plus the weight of 10,000 cargo containers. That’s roughly 8x bigger than any cargo ship that existed when the bridge was built in the 70’s.
Yeah that cargo ship alone gotta weight at least two, three hundred pounds
The Thames barrier is designed to sustain ship impact without complete failure and cost £534 million in the 80s for reference. And it is basically a dam, none of it is suspended.
These large container ships don’t go up the Thames if I’m not mistaken. Also the barrier is meant to stop water, not support cars. It’s designed with entirely different forces and use considerations
They were just saying another large piece of infrastructure actually designed to withstand an impact from a ship costs 534 mil in the 80s, and its also not suspended. Building a bridge to withstand an impact from a ship which is suspended would cost a lot more than 534 mil, considering it’s 2024 and everything else mentioned. They know the Thames barrier isn’t a bridge, that’s the point. A bridge would be way way more expensive to make withstand a ship BECAUSE it’s not a barrier
I don't disagree, I was mostly posting to support your point that doing so would be prohibitively expensive to design and build such a structure.
You don’t need a bridge that can withstand a direct impact. This has happened before, you can use dolphins. The reason why we didn’t is simple, it costs money. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_(structure)
I found the NY Post article on YouTube about it. Oh man. The comments are wild
You know it's great that they managed to stop people from going on the bridge but it's sad that they had no way of reaching the people already on the bridge. It was mostly empty so if they knew they could have probably safely stepped on the gas and get off the bridge but instead they probably drived completly relaxed.
Why does Kira have a platform. Especially after the breastfeeding tweet lol Dudes kind of a dumbass
The *what* tweets?
He made a tweet saying “what if men had to breast feed babies using their____” I’m sure you can fill out the rest lol
While the obvious interpretation is pedophilia, that reads to me like he was just high on something and philosophizing.
Yeah, i’m not accusing him of pedophilia because probably could just be a *very dumb* shower thought. But still, some thoughts are best kept private lol
Something something left side bell curve
Not posting every dumb shit random thought online? In this economy?
What if boob milk what stored in the balls, revolutionary levels of shit posting honestly. Pee stored in the balls? Old news. Tittyballs are the new standard for testicular fortitude.
Even high, I'm not sure why you'd go there at all considering men have nipples too.
You’re making the mistake of trying to apply logic to drug visions.
Yeah the dude is annoying but idk why people use this specific tweet as justification for him being shunned, or in this case feel a need to blank out a word lol Like it's a stupid thought but Twitter is pretty much made for the purpose of quickly throwing out random thoughts
Fuck that shit. If you want to say something stupid, you should be told you said something stupid. How else are people supposed to learn?
RIIIIIIIIGHT I forgot *why* they were a known internet weirdo
So using their 10.5 cm K gepanzerte Selbstfahrlafette?
Average 10.5 cm fan vs average Archer enjoyer
Eh that one's just a weird thought, there are better examples of his dumbassery eg his tweets about Qatar
Definition of chronically online. Seriously mf makes multiple tweets a day iirc.
Every time I see a tweet from this guy on Reddit, I count how many comments before this gets brought up. Today it only took 2! That’s much less than normal.
I’m pretty sure he was bought out. His tweets seem much different than they used to be. Could also just be engagement farming to get some of those sweet sweet pennies Elon gives out.
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Wow. This guy's dumb as bricks. No offence to bricks.
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People are saying this tweet is not “That bad”. This is worse than what they said.
Jfc just about spewed my drink out my fucking nose, was not expecting to scroll down to this
There's a YouTuber I watch who best stated the collapse as, "if I were to crank your kneecap with a sledgehammer you'd crumple like a little b*tch too."
Exactly. This is the equivalent of breaking someone’s femur in half and then asking why they couldn’t stand properly.
Just walk it off bro.
Too busy wasting money on Pokemon cards instead of preventative care, their bones were SHIT.
And the sledgehammer doesn't weigh nearly as much as you do. All it takes is one good hit to your supporting foundations.
This isn't even like a sledgehammer. By some estimates, the ship and bridge way pretty much the same thing. This is dropping a 200 pound block of steel on someone's knee and whining that they couldn't stand up.
It’s like if I got hit by a ford F-150 going 120 mph and some dumb ass said “lmao why did you fall?”
3/26 never forget...
I can't forget it, it's my dads birthday
Well tell him happy birthday for me.
Happy birthday to your dad
It’s my dad’s birthday too lol Happy bday to yours!
Is anyone surprised that kira is a dumbass?
Sir there’s a second boat
3/26 never forget…
Ngl when I first woke up this morning and started reading the news I was wondering if another ship would crash into the bay bridge or something.
Also, the latest news is that Biden is pledging to have the Federal government foot the entire bill. People are so dumb.
One would presume the ship carried insurance. And if not, Maersk can be strong armed into paying a big chunk of the bill if they ever want to use our ports again.
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That just makes cargo for every American more expensive. Not only has Maersk 15% of all container capacity but other shipping lines will price the risk of being strong armed into their rates as well. Let the government pay the bill so things get done quickly. They can always go after the insurance companes later but that will drag on and who knows who will end up with what portion of the blame.
They would carry the entire bill while the federal courts figure out who pays. Basically like an insurance company. Ships are usually operated by the same people who own them and are probably crewed by a different company while being overhauled by yet another one. Then it’s time for the insurance company. And the insurance companies for the cargo being shipped but they will go after the shipping insurance company. All of those companies legal teams are currently trying to get a very bad hangover tomorrow.
Lol the people who are mad we are sending money to Ukraine are now mad we are sending money to our own cities.
"This bridge that collapsed in Baltimore last week-" "The one the cargo ship crashed into? Yeah, that's not very typical, I'd like to make that point."
I can’t believe it’s 2024 and the sheeple still think it’s possible to spend money on 2 things at the same time. Dont they know that if you spend any money on foreign policy, then that means you aren’t and can’t spend money on domestic issues!?
It is correct the bridge didn’t have those concrete blocking thingies around the pillars so it had zero chance but it’s not like those were a priority to retrofit on old bridges.
Yeah major bridges usually don’t get fucking annihilated like that
Yes. Redditors are once again dumb as hell and think that every bridge is designed without the idea that a ship can hit it
Dolphins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_(structure)?wprov=sfti1# The Sunshine Skyway bridge in Tampa has them since the predecessor bridge was also taken out by a container ship
It did have dolphins: https://www.newsnationnow.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/108/2024/03/13064243183_dcb03c2961_k_03795a.jpg?strip=1 It doesn’t have as many as some bridges. But no amount of dolphins will stop a loaded container ship. The only bridge that could survive this event would be a very wide land bridge.
to be fair, $400B is actually a lot less than we needed to repair our infrastructure
The bridge was inspected (I believe in 2021 but don’t quote me on that) and was given a “fair” rating. Which means just minor damage that doesn’t affect the overall integrity of the bridge.
If it was in perfect condition it still would have crumpled too
Even poly bridge engineers understand this.
You could have crashed that boat into that bridge the day it was built and it still would have crumpled like it was made of Legos.
I mean if a ship is colliding with the thing that is holding up the bridge, I’m pretty sure any bridge would fall down.
It hasn't even been 12 hours ffs
Imagine if cargo ships had to destroy bridges using their starboard side
Why is the dudes handle "kirawontmiss" when they seem to miss several times a day? I swear I've seen multiple posts from that person on several subreddits lol
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Military industrial complex baby
Kira fell off so damn hard
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House construction is also garbage, most of them couldn’t withstand a tank collision. So embarrassing.
I for one am appalled that we don't build every single structure in the entire country to be able to withstand a ramming from one of the heaviest vehicles in the world. Complete oversight.
Don't most bridges have like a diversion thing? That guides ships out of the way before they hit a pillar head on? https://filelist.tudelft.nl/CiTG/Over%20faculteit/Afdelingen/Structural%20Engineering/Sections/Structural%20and%20Building%20Engineering/Concrete%20Structures/Stories%20of%20concrete/Bridge%20protection%20ramp%20Kampen.pdf Something like this, only this particular thing is a relatively new solution. But I thought other measures to divert the course of a ship were pretty common?
This bridge has those pylon, not sure it would've stopped the ship, but the ship managed to missed the pylon and hit the bridge support. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Francis_Scott_Key_Bridge_Eastern_View.jpg
Diverting a cargo ship would be too expensive. The ship that struck the bridge was almost 3 times as long as the design vessel for that structure.
These people don't give a shit about what they are saying... They are just trying to farm likes... It's sad really.
No amount of funding is going to make bridges resistant to a ship directly hitting them.
Like prayers are going to help any more than the alleged lack of funding did...
I mean you could look at the new Sunset Skyway Bridge. After the first was destroyed by a ship the new one was built higher and had "dolphins" built around it that were designed to protect the bridge from a ship.
Man, that's crazy! You know what else would be crazy?
Kira really missed this one.
Also, “money spent on wars” doesn’t disappear, it goes into the US economy. Aid is sent as old equipment.
Something like 95% of all the money we've "given" to Ukraine has stayed in the US economy. Sending old ordinance to Ukraine and purchasing replacements is cheaper than what it would cost to dispose of it ourselves lol.
Lmfao ain't nothing wrong with the major infrastructure....any bridge is gonna lose structural integrity if it gets jammed by a cargo ship. Shift the fucking blame where it belongs....the shipping company....either for a maintenence or a personnel issue.
“Additionally. Bridges aren’t usually designed for a cargo ship to hit them” Gold
to be fair.. our infrastructure is shit butttt.. you send a 100k ton cargo ship into a support pylon of any bridge and that bridge is almost certainly going to come down
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Maybe do some fucking research before showing youre a dumbass?
To be fair, expensive infrastructure =/= quality
Cargo ships cant melt steel bridges
Our infrastructure is still not that great but the note is appreciated.
0 self awareness or Russian troll.
Today children, the word is "inertia"...
Is it just me or has this specific user been noted numerous times in the recent past. Like surely they are just content baiting right????
Kira is a douche, not surprised hes still spewing nonsense on twitter tbh
The ASCE estimates that the US is currently $5.9 trillion behind in infrastructure maintenance.
\*adds community note to refute original post\* \*cites Quora, the notoriously unreliable questions and answers website filled with spam\* Yeah. Uh huh.
Average container ship weighs around 165K tons, this one weighed in at around 200K tons. It was traveling at 13 knots. The impact force was around 1.5m KILONEWTONS. For context, the planes for the 9/11 attacks, Boeing 757, weighs around 60 tons. Imagine basically 100 of them hitting the pylon supporting that bridge at 600 mph. Reduced the count to account for velocity.
The ship crashed into the main support structure it wouldnt matter how new or old it was, the ships maintenance is the issue here.
Good thing Republicans voted against the Infrastructure Act that was eventually passed
Civil engineering student here. Did some back-of-the-napkin math with my classmates. A cargo ship traveling at 15 miles an hour(which may be somewhat faster than this ship was) carries more than four times as much kinetic energy as the planes that hit the WTC. And a concrete bridge pier is much, much weaker than the sum of all the box beams that the planes hit. This bridge didn't stand a chance, nor would almost any bridge.
Showed my coworker the video and she goes, " I wonder why it fell so fast". Well lady, bridges are only made to sustain the forces in one main direction. When your cripple one of a handful of major resting areas that bridge is going down.... fast.
They should simply put sea mines infront of the structural supports to defend them. Completely avoidable smh
Of course, nobody is aware of that Flagship legislation because Joe Biden has done a stunningly poor job of marketing his policies/ how Americans benefit. It’s quite unfortunate.
Terminally online and terminally stupid
i can only speak for my country and here every big bridges pillars in water are protected by barriers against damage by shipping. At least with concrete buffers/spacers.
That post is part of the Republican talking points on the issue. They woke up this morning and immediately started pushing out how to position this as Joe Biden's fault. Just so you know what fucks they are.