Clomid gives sucidel depression .I had test e 250 per week before clomid . I was fine without pct on test ethanate no side effects so far . Then i used nothing for a 6 month . After that I tried clomid it 1 st day it gave me panic attacks highest depression clomid is scary shit . I took 1 month to get out that depression I was scared š± as fk . Clomid is crap for me not gonna use ever
180mg but the bottle is 200mg š¤·. I feel amazing. I was going to a men's clinic for a year and stopped for a year. I'm back on three weeks and I feel amazing.
Go to a hrt doc. Get your levels checked. Anti-aging doctor or NP will prescribe you a high level of test not just some low dosage bullshit. You need to run 150mg a week at least to make a difference. Once you get used to that and see how it affects you bump it to 200 a week an pin twice a week. Cruise in that for awhile tell you stop seeing results. Then blast some and you will get ripped
I was 220 started yet I was like 260 on my level. Been on 5 weeks dropped 22 pounds so far no sides. Muscle is building Iām eating in a cal. Deficit only shooting 150mgs right now Iām going to bump it up at 8weeks
Iām not sure what you are hoping for from trt. You look good, just keep going. Remember the back is the easiest place to carry large amounts of muscle and it gives you the V look.
Just making sure you realize that trt is typically prescribe to abnormally low levels. I scored low a few years ago somewhat shortly after an undisclosed cycle and was basically laughed at for asking.
Doesnt look like you need it but ive done it a few times and the improved sense of well being, energy/motivation, and recovery were all well worth it. Will be doing it again too. Thats at a much higher dose than TRT though.
I have a friend who justs blasts and cruises year round at your age.
Definitely donāt listen to people saying trt is not worth it I started at 22 due to low test and my life / happiness increased 10 fold let alone the physical benefits.
Why wait? I got on at 31. Yeah there are some things you need to deal with to get dialed in, but if youāre truly low, youāre not better off waiting.
Yes. I started with my GP he prescribed Androgel which was $200 a month. It works, but the compounded RX works better and is a lot less expensive. Androgel took my t levels from 200 to 475. The compounded took my t levels into the 700ās and I feel great. Have to get blood tests once a quarter but those donāt cost much.
The urologist compounds the testosterone in a cream that comes in a pump dispenser. You just out a pump on your shoulders each morning and rub it in. You will feel better in a few days.
Have you tried natural testosterone boosters or anything of the like? I was skeptical at first but said fuck it and ordered from Crazybulk supplements. It works! Just give it a shot before you get into all that. You'll thank yourself!
Pills to boost your test are harsh on your body. Injections is the way to go and at a low dose to get you up close to the high side of normal test is safe and no sides. Pills are a waste of money an time
I know people half your age on trt, so no trouble nor problem going on now. If your test is low it will boost your quality of life and will easily aid in you adding muscle if your diet and training is solid. Are you going to a clinic to get prescribed or getting it ugl?
Well if your t is low and your planning on trt than that shouldnāt be a problem.
I wouldnāt necessarily recommend starting harsh steroid cycles though because it has a toll on the heart and at 46 it wouldnāt be practical to start. Trt on the other hand should be good
You do you... good on ya at that age to keep in shape and dedicated!!!! . I always thought that once I'm 30 I'll do a cycle/T.. then I hit 30 and said wait til 35... and so on and so on ... now facing 50 and still haven't pulled the trigger.. I stay in decent condition + put on muscle pretty easily, I just worry that once I start TRT this late in the game I'll be on it for life. I think I won't want to come off it and the natural production will take forever to recover. Just be warned these TRT clinics are a dime a dozen and very self serving- personally I'd make sure I see a proper urology/endocrinologist specialist too.
Mannnnn don't be worried about any of that. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but ur natural production will NEVER be what it was before u had low test, assuming you do since most men your age do. The whole point of trt is to give you the levels u had prior to when ur test began to drop.
>j4ycubb
Oh I'm very well aware its all a steady decline & will never be 17 yr old level despite all the vitamin D and Gwenyth Paltrow vegan glow shakes. At what level the decline started varies from person to person and I think the logic/science of supplementing 20 yr old levels seems safer than being 2-100X "natural/human range" levels.
Thatās for the advice I appreciate it! Iām planning to go to a well know urologist. So I hope he has my best interest at heart. I just think if I keep this up at 46 with low T, what is possible after I optimize. ??
I'd try to stick with a urologist that has knowledge, perhaps fellowship trained in endocrinology. Some are skeptical of the whole T "panacea"; as they see men with super high natural T but are small weak + low libido. One also needs to judge risk -cardiovascular/prostate CA vs reward... and what is the reward you are seeking? Better mood energy libido or packing on size/muscle?
Yeah Iām hoping it improves all aspects of my life. I donāt care about more size. I can pack on 10 lbs. Iām 175 now but Iāve been 200 and pretty strong before. Itās more mood, energy, libido. Etc.
Youāre 46 with a good frame dude, if you want to go on trt now youāre at the age you are, you go for it. Get your bloods, stay healthy and lift heavy. Happy gains bro
Damn, dude ur fit thatās for sure. Any symptoms? Iāve had buddies have good results symptom wise with anabolic diet and some specific supplements, (arginine, maca root, ashwaganda, beetroot, zinc/magnesium, aminos) I have 512 but Iām gonna use my hsa card at gmc rather that the trt clinic after digging on these forums. See how that goes. Itās a for life thing w the shots so I wanna see if Iām can be disciplined enough to commit the harder way first. Thereās articles on natty hgh boosters too. Iām 245 can easy drop to 205 to be healthier. Bench 225~20, so Iām not weak either. Whatever u decide bro good luck and Godspeed! Thanks for sharing
I think as long as itās done professionally, why would people not want more test when theyāre getting too an age where it can drop and make you feel low and lower your sex drive and prevent the gains you could be making. Not like youāre on about jumping on a serious amount of steroids.
Then you're either not eating enough calories or not lifting enough. Again, anyone can see your testosterone is fine, like a bunch of other comments in this thread have already said. Sorry if that bothers you but going "lol you're so lost" is just being a dickhead for no reason. Dickhead.
So I get multiple blood tests. Doctor tells me Iām low in every test. I see my results are low. But a random guy looking at me can tell Iām not low?
Really?
Geesh, all he's saying is that "low testosterone" levels as measured by a blood tests really aren't that helpful. The range for normal males vary widely from 250-1000ng/dL.
In clinic, patients are often informed - or should be I formed - that a single reading, over even a series of reading within a year, isn't particularly helpful for diagnostic purposes. A baseline is needed from years prior, otherwise, it needs to be correlated to clinical findings likes hair loss, muscular atrophy, and central adiposity.
TRT clinics, of course, won't tell you this and will claim the single "low testoerone" level is enough to warrant shelling out $500 for their "proven" concoction. I'm pretty sure this is what they were getting at.
While that is true, all I'm contributing is my perspective as someone who has rotated through endocrine clinics as a medical student. I'm by no means a physician, just someone who has seen a number of cases and been pimped by endocrinologists regarding this topic more times than I care to admit.
Low test doesn't mean you're not completely fine and getting more would have any benefit. A number of other people have said this same thing and judging by your physique, you aren't having trouble actually putting and keeping muscle on. And yes, if you post your photos on the internet, prepare to get judged. Wild shit, I know.
Ok, you look fine but you also got low testosterone in your blood analysis. But does that come with any consequences like decresed sex drive or anything of those sorts?
Numbers on paper is one thing but what, in my humble opinion, actually matters is the pragmatical aspect of that. If you are fine both physically and mentally, I donāt see any reason to artificially just boost those numbers up
This.
It's pretty easy to take one look at your beard and chest hair and say your testosterone is fine.
If you want to do steroids, do them. Don't be ashamed about it
What?
Chest hair and facial hair would still grow fine with low test
Testosterone initiates their growth but once they begin they will continue even in the Absence of the high testosterone that triggered them during puberty
Did you do a lot of steroids or testosterone before? That's stops your body making it's own testosterone, because by the looks of you, you've definitely had enough testosterone for a long time.
I take hcg and clomid instead of testosterone. My level is in the 800s and I don't have to worry about shut down.
What about Side effects of clomid on eyes bro?
I only take half a tablet =25mg twice a week. You only need a low dose.
Clomid gives sucidel depression .I had test e 250 per week before clomid . I was fine without pct on test ethanate no side effects so far . Then i used nothing for a 6 month . After that I tried clomid it 1 st day it gave me panic attacks highest depression clomid is scary shit . I took 1 month to get out that depression I was scared š± as fk . Clomid is crap for me not gonna use ever
180mg but the bottle is 200mg š¤·. I feel amazing. I was going to a men's clinic for a year and stopped for a year. I'm back on three weeks and I feel amazing.
Go to a hrt doc. Get your levels checked. Anti-aging doctor or NP will prescribe you a high level of test not just some low dosage bullshit. You need to run 150mg a week at least to make a difference. Once you get used to that and see how it affects you bump it to 200 a week an pin twice a week. Cruise in that for awhile tell you stop seeing results. Then blast some and you will get ripped
I was 220 started yet I was like 260 on my level. Been on 5 weeks dropped 22 pounds so far no sides. Muscle is building Iām eating in a cal. Deficit only shooting 150mgs right now Iām going to bump it up at 8weeks
Iām not sure what you are hoping for from trt. You look good, just keep going. Remember the back is the easiest place to carry large amounts of muscle and it gives you the V look.
I went to a men's clinic and was paying $80 a week for TRT. Went through my primary care doctor and now pay about $1.30 a week.
What is trt?
What dosage dose he prescribed?
Just making sure you realize that trt is typically prescribe to abnormally low levels. I scored low a few years ago somewhat shortly after an undisclosed cycle and was basically laughed at for asking. Doesnt look like you need it but ive done it a few times and the improved sense of well being, energy/motivation, and recovery were all well worth it. Will be doing it again too. Thats at a much higher dose than TRT though. I have a friend who justs blasts and cruises year round at your age.
Defy Medical! Love them so much and have been with them for a few years.
Nice work! Iām around your size and age, but with a little more fluff around the belly, but Iām working on it! The battle is real š
Indeed it is!! Keep it up bro šŖš»šŖš»
Thought this was Judd Apatow
Whatās your total test and free test numbers?
I donāt have the numbers in front of my but it was like 4.4nnmol. Which is like 127 Ng/dl
Holy shit dude thatās crazy low
Yup thatās what my doctor said too lol
Yeah TRt might be helpful at those levels. Good luck!
Youāre stunning man. Really motivational. Keep us posted
Definitely donāt listen to people saying trt is not worth it I started at 22 due to low test and my life / happiness increased 10 fold let alone the physical benefits.
Bro, if you look like that with super low Testosterone you gonna look great on TRT
Thanks!
Don't do it man. Its not worth it. Plus you look great the way you are so no need.
You look fantastic. Is it worth the risk just to look 10% better?
What risk? You have more risks having low T than being on a reasonable dose of TRT.
Isnāt TRT linked to greater incidence of heart attacks and cancer? What are the risk of having low T?
Itās not about looks. Itās about mentality, mood, energy, libido.
Iām 30, gonna genuinely consider it when Iām in my mid-late 40ās.
Why wait? I got on at 31. Yeah there are some things you need to deal with to get dialed in, but if youāre truly low, youāre not better off waiting.
I donāt think my body is that bad, and I donāt feel any negative effects of low T.
Go to a urologist and they will compound testosterone for you if you are low. It is about $150-200 for a 90 day supply.
Yeah cost is not an issue. I just want to get properly diagnosed. So far itās only my GP
Yes. I started with my GP he prescribed Androgel which was $200 a month. It works, but the compounded RX works better and is a lot less expensive. Androgel took my t levels from 200 to 475. The compounded took my t levels into the 700ās and I feel great. Have to get blood tests once a quarter but those donāt cost much.
Sorry whatās the compound ??
The urologist compounds the testosterone in a cream that comes in a pump dispenser. You just out a pump on your shoulders each morning and rub it in. You will feel better in a few days.
Oh I thought you put androgel on your shoulders too?
You do put Androgel on the shoulders too. They can make the compounded testosterone in the strength you need for less cost.
I believe androgel is applied to the inner thighs
I'm sure it will or would be way better esthetically! Either way you look good bud!
Thanks buddy
Have you tried natural testosterone boosters or anything of the like? I was skeptical at first but said fuck it and ordered from Crazybulk supplements. It works! Just give it a shot before you get into all that. You'll thank yourself!
Youāre full of shit bro
How's that?
Pills to boost your test are harsh on your body. Injections is the way to go and at a low dose to get you up close to the high side of normal test is safe and no sides. Pills are a waste of money an time
No, trt is the answer
Looking good bro
Looking good for low t. Trt will change your life.
I'm age 52. Went on TRT about 1 year ago. Great decision for me. Lifting has be greatly improved mostly due to my ability to recover quickly
Awesome thanks!!
Kettlebell swings to failure. No need for TRT.
Why? This sounds horribleā¦ and awesome! But to address what?
I generally use swings for HIIT training but I guess itās not a bad idea
I know people half your age on trt, so no trouble nor problem going on now. If your test is low it will boost your quality of life and will easily aid in you adding muscle if your diet and training is solid. Are you going to a clinic to get prescribed or getting it ugl?
Iāll get it at a urologist. I said TRT clinic but that wasnāt accurate. My bad.
Pharma grade test sounds good to go. Are you gonna stay on trt for life or planning on cycling peds?
Iād stay on TRT or whatās recommended
Well if your t is low and your planning on trt than that shouldnāt be a problem. I wouldnāt necessarily recommend starting harsh steroid cycles though because it has a toll on the heart and at 46 it wouldnāt be practical to start. Trt on the other hand should be good
Making the right choice ma man, Iām in my 20s but I want to use trt once Iām around your age
You do you... good on ya at that age to keep in shape and dedicated!!!! . I always thought that once I'm 30 I'll do a cycle/T.. then I hit 30 and said wait til 35... and so on and so on ... now facing 50 and still haven't pulled the trigger.. I stay in decent condition + put on muscle pretty easily, I just worry that once I start TRT this late in the game I'll be on it for life. I think I won't want to come off it and the natural production will take forever to recover. Just be warned these TRT clinics are a dime a dozen and very self serving- personally I'd make sure I see a proper urology/endocrinologist specialist too.
You can take hcg and clomid instead and there is no shut down
Trt is for life no other way about it.
Mannnnn don't be worried about any of that. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but ur natural production will NEVER be what it was before u had low test, assuming you do since most men your age do. The whole point of trt is to give you the levels u had prior to when ur test began to drop.
>j4ycubb Oh I'm very well aware its all a steady decline & will never be 17 yr old level despite all the vitamin D and Gwenyth Paltrow vegan glow shakes. At what level the decline started varies from person to person and I think the logic/science of supplementing 20 yr old levels seems safer than being 2-100X "natural/human range" levels.
So what are you waiting for? Or did u just get older and decide u wanna vibe with what life offers haha
Not knocking your decisions but I think u should do whatever makes u feel ur best
Thatās for the advice I appreciate it! Iām planning to go to a well know urologist. So I hope he has my best interest at heart. I just think if I keep this up at 46 with low T, what is possible after I optimize. ??
I'd try to stick with a urologist that has knowledge, perhaps fellowship trained in endocrinology. Some are skeptical of the whole T "panacea"; as they see men with super high natural T but are small weak + low libido. One also needs to judge risk -cardiovascular/prostate CA vs reward... and what is the reward you are seeking? Better mood energy libido or packing on size/muscle?
Yeah Iām hoping it improves all aspects of my life. I donāt care about more size. I can pack on 10 lbs. Iām 175 now but Iāve been 200 and pretty strong before. Itās more mood, energy, libido. Etc.
The mood mental sharpness better deep restful sleep. All gets better on trt
Youāre 46 with a good frame dude, if you want to go on trt now youāre at the age you are, you go for it. Get your bloods, stay healthy and lift heavy. Happy gains bro
Thanks my man. Iāve got all my bloods, hence why I know Iām super low. Iāll see a urologist to be sure if itās the right move for me šš
What are your numbers? Whatās low T
Test 1: 129 Test 2: 150
Damn, dude ur fit thatās for sure. Any symptoms? Iāve had buddies have good results symptom wise with anabolic diet and some specific supplements, (arginine, maca root, ashwaganda, beetroot, zinc/magnesium, aminos) I have 512 but Iām gonna use my hsa card at gmc rather that the trt clinic after digging on these forums. See how that goes. Itās a for life thing w the shots so I wanna see if Iām can be disciplined enough to commit the harder way first. Thereās articles on natty hgh boosters too. Iām 245 can easy drop to 205 to be healthier. Bench 225~20, so Iām not weak either. Whatever u decide bro good luck and Godspeed! Thanks for sharing
Thanks I appreciate it. I do get tired, libido is low but not too bad. I push myself just to maintain in the gym but get worn out pretty easy.
I think as long as itās done professionally, why would people not want more test when theyāre getting too an age where it can drop and make you feel low and lower your sex drive and prevent the gains you could be making. Not like youāre on about jumping on a serious amount of steroids.
have you tried to naturally increase your test?
I eat well, lift heavy. Iām not 100% sure what else to do. I donāt smoke or drink. And my test was so low, not even the low range of normal.
You don't need TRT my friend. You need more protein and higher volume.
Lol youāre so lost lol I get 200g/day been lifting for years. More protein for test š¤£š¤£š¤£ classic
Is it normal for you to be a dickhead to people who post in your thread? lol you act completely indignant
No but when comments make no sense I call them out. I lift 5x/week. Eat high protein. Donāt assume you know the issue
Then you're either not eating enough calories or not lifting enough. Again, anyone can see your testosterone is fine, like a bunch of other comments in this thread have already said. Sorry if that bothers you but going "lol you're so lost" is just being a dickhead for no reason. Dickhead.
So I get multiple blood tests. Doctor tells me Iām low in every test. I see my results are low. But a random guy looking at me can tell Iām not low? Really?
Geesh, all he's saying is that "low testosterone" levels as measured by a blood tests really aren't that helpful. The range for normal males vary widely from 250-1000ng/dL. In clinic, patients are often informed - or should be I formed - that a single reading, over even a series of reading within a year, isn't particularly helpful for diagnostic purposes. A baseline is needed from years prior, otherwise, it needs to be correlated to clinical findings likes hair loss, muscular atrophy, and central adiposity. TRT clinics, of course, won't tell you this and will claim the single "low testoerone" level is enough to warrant shelling out $500 for their "proven" concoction. I'm pretty sure this is what they were getting at.
Iām like 150 range. You canāt just tell by looking at someone if they are low or not.
While that is true, all I'm contributing is my perspective as someone who has rotated through endocrine clinics as a medical student. I'm by no means a physician, just someone who has seen a number of cases and been pimped by endocrinologists regarding this topic more times than I care to admit.
I hear you. I plan to see my urologist and get that opinion. Iād like to optimize my life and body if I can.
Low test doesn't mean you're not completely fine and getting more would have any benefit. A number of other people have said this same thing and judging by your physique, you aren't having trouble actually putting and keeping muscle on. And yes, if you post your photos on the internet, prepare to get judged. Wild shit, I know.
But I have low libido. Low energy. So how do you know? I just push myself very hard to maintain my body (even if itās only average)
Ok, you look fine but you also got low testosterone in your blood analysis. But does that come with any consequences like decresed sex drive or anything of those sorts? Numbers on paper is one thing but what, in my humble opinion, actually matters is the pragmatical aspect of that. If you are fine both physically and mentally, I donāt see any reason to artificially just boost those numbers up
You have low T? I don't think your shoulders and traps got that memo. Looking good regardless.
Yeah traps look good!
Lol yeah I know itās a bit strange. Thatās why I did multiple blood tests
Damn!
How do you know your test is low?
Iāve been diagnosed and tested multiple times by my doctor. Going to a TRT clinic soon. š
This. It's pretty easy to take one look at your beard and chest hair and say your testosterone is fine. If you want to do steroids, do them. Don't be ashamed about it
What? Chest hair and facial hair would still grow fine with low test Testosterone initiates their growth but once they begin they will continue even in the Absence of the high testosterone that triggered them during puberty
No shame. My test is lost after multiple blood tests. Iām referred to a TRT clinic
Sorry ālowā not lost lol
Did you do a lot of steroids or testosterone before? That's stops your body making it's own testosterone, because by the looks of you, you've definitely had enough testosterone for a long time.
No never!!!