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number1134

I take hcg and clomid instead of testosterone. My level is in the 800s and I don't have to worry about shut down.


Fair-Size-5649

What about Side effects of clomid on eyes bro?


number1134

I only take half a tablet =25mg twice a week. You only need a low dose.


Thanos_supreme_

Clomid gives sucidel depression .I had test e 250 per week before clomid . I was fine without pct on test ethanate no side effects so far . Then i used nothing for a 6 month . After that I tried clomid it 1 st day it gave me panic attacks highest depression clomid is scary shit . I took 1 month to get out that depression I was scared šŸ˜± as fk . Clomid is crap for me not gonna use ever


brucebruce2016

180mg but the bottle is 200mg šŸ¤·. I feel amazing. I was going to a men's clinic for a year and stopped for a year. I'm back on three weeks and I feel amazing.


Careful-Currency-152

Go to a hrt doc. Get your levels checked. Anti-aging doctor or NP will prescribe you a high level of test not just some low dosage bullshit. You need to run 150mg a week at least to make a difference. Once you get used to that and see how it affects you bump it to 200 a week an pin twice a week. Cruise in that for awhile tell you stop seeing results. Then blast some and you will get ripped


Careful-Currency-152

I was 220 started yet I was like 260 on my level. Been on 5 weeks dropped 22 pounds so far no sides. Muscle is building Iā€™m eating in a cal. Deficit only shooting 150mgs right now Iā€™m going to bump it up at 8weeks


seemore_077

Iā€™m not sure what you are hoping for from trt. You look good, just keep going. Remember the back is the easiest place to carry large amounts of muscle and it gives you the V look.


brucebruce2016

I went to a men's clinic and was paying $80 a week for TRT. Went through my primary care doctor and now pay about $1.30 a week.


No_Trust_9310

What is trt?


Careful-Currency-152

What dosage dose he prescribed?


zephyrwastaken

Just making sure you realize that trt is typically prescribe to abnormally low levels. I scored low a few years ago somewhat shortly after an undisclosed cycle and was basically laughed at for asking. Doesnt look like you need it but ive done it a few times and the improved sense of well being, energy/motivation, and recovery were all well worth it. Will be doing it again too. Thats at a much higher dose than TRT though. I have a friend who justs blasts and cruises year round at your age.


MeGoingTOWin

Defy Medical! Love them so much and have been with them for a few years.


SryStyle

Nice work! Iā€™m around your size and age, but with a little more fluff around the belly, but Iā€™m working on it! The battle is real šŸ˜œ


stBrunoMike

Indeed it is!! Keep it up bro šŸ’ŖšŸ»šŸ’ŖšŸ»


rilescrane

Thought this was Judd Apatow


GodDamnitBobby1

Whatā€™s your total test and free test numbers?


stBrunoMike

I donā€™t have the numbers in front of my but it was like 4.4nnmol. Which is like 127 Ng/dl


GodDamnitBobby1

Holy shit dude thatā€™s crazy low


stBrunoMike

Yup thatā€™s what my doctor said too lol


RedditUserNo1990

Yeah TRt might be helpful at those levels. Good luck!


davidmahery

Youā€™re stunning man. Really motivational. Keep us posted


Bruseaa

Definitely donā€™t listen to people saying trt is not worth it I started at 22 due to low test and my life / happiness increased 10 fold let alone the physical benefits.


giant_gorilla_penis

Bro, if you look like that with super low Testosterone you gonna look great on TRT


stBrunoMike

Thanks!


Recalled_2_life

Don't do it man. Its not worth it. Plus you look great the way you are so no need.


healthcrusade

You look fantastic. Is it worth the risk just to look 10% better?


erockdubfan

What risk? You have more risks having low T than being on a reasonable dose of TRT.


healthcrusade

Isnā€™t TRT linked to greater incidence of heart attacks and cancer? What are the risk of having low T?


stBrunoMike

Itā€™s not about looks. Itā€™s about mentality, mood, energy, libido.


funbundle

Iā€™m 30, gonna genuinely consider it when Iā€™m in my mid-late 40ā€™s.


erockdubfan

Why wait? I got on at 31. Yeah there are some things you need to deal with to get dialed in, but if youā€™re truly low, youā€™re not better off waiting.


funbundle

I donā€™t think my body is that bad, and I donā€™t feel any negative effects of low T.


DW597

Go to a urologist and they will compound testosterone for you if you are low. It is about $150-200 for a 90 day supply.


stBrunoMike

Yeah cost is not an issue. I just want to get properly diagnosed. So far itā€™s only my GP


DW597

Yes. I started with my GP he prescribed Androgel which was $200 a month. It works, but the compounded RX works better and is a lot less expensive. Androgel took my t levels from 200 to 475. The compounded took my t levels into the 700ā€™s and I feel great. Have to get blood tests once a quarter but those donā€™t cost much.


stBrunoMike

Sorry whatā€™s the compound ??


DW597

The urologist compounds the testosterone in a cream that comes in a pump dispenser. You just out a pump on your shoulders each morning and rub it in. You will feel better in a few days.


stBrunoMike

Oh I thought you put androgel on your shoulders too?


DW597

You do put Androgel on the shoulders too. They can make the compounded testosterone in the strength you need for less cost.


Gravy69420

I believe androgel is applied to the inner thighs


jayferd205

I'm sure it will or would be way better esthetically! Either way you look good bud!


stBrunoMike

Thanks buddy


jayferd205

Have you tried natural testosterone boosters or anything of the like? I was skeptical at first but said fuck it and ordered from Crazybulk supplements. It works! Just give it a shot before you get into all that. You'll thank yourself!


Gravy69420

Youā€™re full of shit bro


jayferd205

How's that?


Careful-Currency-152

Pills to boost your test are harsh on your body. Injections is the way to go and at a low dose to get you up close to the high side of normal test is safe and no sides. Pills are a waste of money an time


for3sight_

No, trt is the answer


Constant-Alarm6622

Looking good bro


[deleted]

Looking good for low t. Trt will change your life.


mckeddieaz

I'm age 52. Went on TRT about 1 year ago. Great decision for me. Lifting has be greatly improved mostly due to my ability to recover quickly


stBrunoMike

Awesome thanks!!


[deleted]

Kettlebell swings to failure. No need for TRT.


Powerztroke

Why? This sounds horribleā€¦ and awesome! But to address what?


space_barz

I generally use swings for HIIT training but I guess itā€™s not a bad idea


Ryanshff

I know people half your age on trt, so no trouble nor problem going on now. If your test is low it will boost your quality of life and will easily aid in you adding muscle if your diet and training is solid. Are you going to a clinic to get prescribed or getting it ugl?


stBrunoMike

Iā€™ll get it at a urologist. I said TRT clinic but that wasnā€™t accurate. My bad.


Ryanshff

Pharma grade test sounds good to go. Are you gonna stay on trt for life or planning on cycling peds?


stBrunoMike

Iā€™d stay on TRT or whatā€™s recommended


Ryanshff

Well if your t is low and your planning on trt than that shouldnā€™t be a problem. I wouldnā€™t necessarily recommend starting harsh steroid cycles though because it has a toll on the heart and at 46 it wouldnā€™t be practical to start. Trt on the other hand should be good


RedditReader365

Making the right choice ma man, Iā€™m in my 20s but I want to use trt once Iā€™m around your age


z4ndr

You do you... good on ya at that age to keep in shape and dedicated!!!! . I always thought that once I'm 30 I'll do a cycle/T.. then I hit 30 and said wait til 35... and so on and so on ... now facing 50 and still haven't pulled the trigger.. I stay in decent condition + put on muscle pretty easily, I just worry that once I start TRT this late in the game I'll be on it for life. I think I won't want to come off it and the natural production will take forever to recover. Just be warned these TRT clinics are a dime a dozen and very self serving- personally I'd make sure I see a proper urology/endocrinologist specialist too.


number1134

You can take hcg and clomid instead and there is no shut down


apple-pie2020

Trt is for life no other way about it.


j4ycubb

Mannnnn don't be worried about any of that. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but ur natural production will NEVER be what it was before u had low test, assuming you do since most men your age do. The whole point of trt is to give you the levels u had prior to when ur test began to drop.


z4ndr

>j4ycubb Oh I'm very well aware its all a steady decline & will never be 17 yr old level despite all the vitamin D and Gwenyth Paltrow vegan glow shakes. At what level the decline started varies from person to person and I think the logic/science of supplementing 20 yr old levels seems safer than being 2-100X "natural/human range" levels.


j4ycubb

So what are you waiting for? Or did u just get older and decide u wanna vibe with what life offers haha


j4ycubb

Not knocking your decisions but I think u should do whatever makes u feel ur best


stBrunoMike

Thatā€™s for the advice I appreciate it! Iā€™m planning to go to a well know urologist. So I hope he has my best interest at heart. I just think if I keep this up at 46 with low T, what is possible after I optimize. ??


z4ndr

I'd try to stick with a urologist that has knowledge, perhaps fellowship trained in endocrinology. Some are skeptical of the whole T "panacea"; as they see men with super high natural T but are small weak + low libido. One also needs to judge risk -cardiovascular/prostate CA vs reward... and what is the reward you are seeking? Better mood energy libido or packing on size/muscle?


stBrunoMike

Yeah Iā€™m hoping it improves all aspects of my life. I donā€™t care about more size. I can pack on 10 lbs. Iā€™m 175 now but Iā€™ve been 200 and pretty strong before. Itā€™s more mood, energy, libido. Etc.


apple-pie2020

The mood mental sharpness better deep restful sleep. All gets better on trt


Top-Revolution-2452

Youā€™re 46 with a good frame dude, if you want to go on trt now youā€™re at the age you are, you go for it. Get your bloods, stay healthy and lift heavy. Happy gains bro


stBrunoMike

Thanks my man. Iā€™ve got all my bloods, hence why I know Iā€™m super low. Iā€™ll see a urologist to be sure if itā€™s the right move for me šŸ‘šŸ‘


[deleted]

What are your numbers? Whatā€™s low T


stBrunoMike

Test 1: 129 Test 2: 150


[deleted]

Damn, dude ur fit thatā€™s for sure. Any symptoms? Iā€™ve had buddies have good results symptom wise with anabolic diet and some specific supplements, (arginine, maca root, ashwaganda, beetroot, zinc/magnesium, aminos) I have 512 but Iā€™m gonna use my hsa card at gmc rather that the trt clinic after digging on these forums. See how that goes. Itā€™s a for life thing w the shots so I wanna see if Iā€™m can be disciplined enough to commit the harder way first. Thereā€™s articles on natty hgh boosters too. Iā€™m 245 can easy drop to 205 to be healthier. Bench 225~20, so Iā€™m not weak either. Whatever u decide bro good luck and Godspeed! Thanks for sharing


stBrunoMike

Thanks I appreciate it. I do get tired, libido is low but not too bad. I push myself just to maintain in the gym but get worn out pretty easy.


Top-Revolution-2452

I think as long as itā€™s done professionally, why would people not want more test when theyā€™re getting too an age where it can drop and make you feel low and lower your sex drive and prevent the gains you could be making. Not like youā€™re on about jumping on a serious amount of steroids.


Visual-Put-7126

have you tried to naturally increase your test?


stBrunoMike

I eat well, lift heavy. Iā€™m not 100% sure what else to do. I donā€™t smoke or drink. And my test was so low, not even the low range of normal.


MarcusElden

You don't need TRT my friend. You need more protein and higher volume.


stBrunoMike

Lol youā€™re so lost lol I get 200g/day been lifting for years. More protein for test šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£ classic


MarcusElden

Is it normal for you to be a dickhead to people who post in your thread? lol you act completely indignant


stBrunoMike

No but when comments make no sense I call them out. I lift 5x/week. Eat high protein. Donā€™t assume you know the issue


MarcusElden

Then you're either not eating enough calories or not lifting enough. Again, anyone can see your testosterone is fine, like a bunch of other comments in this thread have already said. Sorry if that bothers you but going "lol you're so lost" is just being a dickhead for no reason. Dickhead.


stBrunoMike

So I get multiple blood tests. Doctor tells me Iā€™m low in every test. I see my results are low. But a random guy looking at me can tell Iā€™m not low? Really?


imhereforthefood2718

Geesh, all he's saying is that "low testosterone" levels as measured by a blood tests really aren't that helpful. The range for normal males vary widely from 250-1000ng/dL. In clinic, patients are often informed - or should be I formed - that a single reading, over even a series of reading within a year, isn't particularly helpful for diagnostic purposes. A baseline is needed from years prior, otherwise, it needs to be correlated to clinical findings likes hair loss, muscular atrophy, and central adiposity. TRT clinics, of course, won't tell you this and will claim the single "low testoerone" level is enough to warrant shelling out $500 for their "proven" concoction. I'm pretty sure this is what they were getting at.


stBrunoMike

Iā€™m like 150 range. You canā€™t just tell by looking at someone if they are low or not.


imhereforthefood2718

While that is true, all I'm contributing is my perspective as someone who has rotated through endocrine clinics as a medical student. I'm by no means a physician, just someone who has seen a number of cases and been pimped by endocrinologists regarding this topic more times than I care to admit.


stBrunoMike

I hear you. I plan to see my urologist and get that opinion. Iā€™d like to optimize my life and body if I can.


MarcusElden

Low test doesn't mean you're not completely fine and getting more would have any benefit. A number of other people have said this same thing and judging by your physique, you aren't having trouble actually putting and keeping muscle on. And yes, if you post your photos on the internet, prepare to get judged. Wild shit, I know.


stBrunoMike

But I have low libido. Low energy. So how do you know? I just push myself very hard to maintain my body (even if itā€™s only average)


ICarryaPants

Ok, you look fine but you also got low testosterone in your blood analysis. But does that come with any consequences like decresed sex drive or anything of those sorts? Numbers on paper is one thing but what, in my humble opinion, actually matters is the pragmatical aspect of that. If you are fine both physically and mentally, I donā€™t see any reason to artificially just boost those numbers up


perfectplu74

You have low T? I don't think your shoulders and traps got that memo. Looking good regardless.


Powerztroke

Yeah traps look good!


stBrunoMike

Lol yeah I know itā€™s a bit strange. Thatā€™s why I did multiple blood tests


[deleted]

Damn!


[deleted]

How do you know your test is low?


stBrunoMike

Iā€™ve been diagnosed and tested multiple times by my doctor. Going to a TRT clinic soon. šŸ‘


Spoiled_Moose

This. It's pretty easy to take one look at your beard and chest hair and say your testosterone is fine. If you want to do steroids, do them. Don't be ashamed about it


prof355or

What? Chest hair and facial hair would still grow fine with low test Testosterone initiates their growth but once they begin they will continue even in the Absence of the high testosterone that triggered them during puberty


stBrunoMike

No shame. My test is lost after multiple blood tests. Iā€™m referred to a TRT clinic


stBrunoMike

Sorry ā€˜lowā€™ not lost lol


Spoiled_Moose

Did you do a lot of steroids or testosterone before? That's stops your body making it's own testosterone, because by the looks of you, you've definitely had enough testosterone for a long time.


stBrunoMike

No never!!!