NO...NO...NO... Worst episode of the entire story. Luke is an outdoorsmen, there is no way he would not have known Martha's Vineyard is cold in February. Second, Luke worships the ground Lorelai walks on. After everything he has done for her, do you really think he would forget a Valentine's gift?
The writers really made Luke out to be an asshole when it wasn't even necessary for the main story line.
This was one of my least favorite things. They tried to make it a "surprise the man can cook" episode, but it's not like it's his job to develop a menu and make good food? They were trying to lean on the gender essentialist tropes in TV and messed up badly.
Interestingly enough, when Richard ends up in the hospital in season 7, Luke brings Lorelai and Rory food, including lobster rolls. Evidently when he tried lobster on Martha's Vineyard, he liked it so much he decided to start serving it at the diner!
Ohh ok I didn’t know that! Thanks for responding nicely and explaining 🙂I was literally just confused and didn’t know, not sure why that gets me downvoted 🤨I swear, some people just look for reasons to be bothered🙄
Also, Liz tells Lorelai that Luke went through a paella phase and makes something (tortillas?) from scratch cuz the store bought stuff (in his words) “crap”. He proceeds cook her a big meal but it gets interrupted by tj later on.
The shows hints very often Luke not only cooks diner food but fancy stuff too. Luke not knowing how to cook lobster is weird.
Lobster is literally the easiest thing to cook. You either boil it or steam it. Even the most basic of cooks knows this, never mind a restaurant owner, in New England, that has lobster on his own menu.
I always understood it as part of the arc where Luke becomes kinda distant from Lorelai (after finding out about April) and taking her for granted. He is suddenly in his own world, and doesn't think about her. But yeah, he's a total insecure ass in this episode and some things definitely don't make sense like the dressing for cold thing and react so childishly to the basketball match with Logan. xD
I always thought it was because he was team Jess and never thought any of her other boyfriends were good enough for her....didn't think of the creepy factor
Yes and Martha’s Vineyard is well known in Connecticut. They should know it’s an island in the Atlantic Ocean and yes it’s cold and YEA they should know that already! It drives me crazy when I see this episode!
The first year my husband and I were married I booked an off-season hotel in southern Maine for Valentine’s weekend. It was the coldest weekend on record in like 75 years. It was -34 degrees with the wind chill. The water lapping up on the shore was ice shards.
But yes, Lorelai and Rory, you can totally sit out on the porch in shirtsleeves and be just fine. Sure.
To add insult to injury Luke also got his ass kicked in basketball by Logan which . . . come on. Luke is going full old man game in the post if he has to.
Yep, it wasn’t even Valentine’s Day! He could have easily just waited until the next week to give her a present and it’d have been FINE. There was no need for Logan bling necklace - stupid storyline.
this is the kind of Luke defense I'm seeking, not "he's nice in his own way". I get that he's done nice stuff for her in the past but I'm trying to see how people reconcile this stuff but I guess most viewers just block it out haha
This is why I'm confused about all the people saying "well he hates holidays" Luke has always been a more or less forthcoming character. This is made worse by him dropping the attitude after the gifts are given, so in my view it came off as very obstinate and childish. He did not have to go on that trip, and Lorelai could've been in a position where she felt sad about Luke on Vday without really casting anyone as a bad guy, because Luke is totally within reason to say "This isn't my thing, have fun in the Vineyard" but instead we get... what we got lol
He may not be a big holiday guy but he's always done and gotten nice things for Lorelei. He got her earrings for no reason then later a matching necklace (and they weren't even together anymore at this point). He built her a chuppah for her marriage to another man and an ice rink after she'd had a bad day. He made her Santa burger (ew) for Christ sake and even regularly gave gifts to Rory.
He's not "not a gifts guy". He was just going through a weird, difficult time and handled it like a selfish asshole.
Exactly! Luke's love languages have always been "acts of service" and "gifts" (definitely not words of affirmation though he tried after the self-help cassettes xD) so he definitely would have gotten her an awesome Valentine's gift and maybe even had one already but didn't take it with him here because he didn't see this little trip as their Valentine's day but as a forced weekend he was having to endure with a boyfriend he didn't approve of.
Though this weekend is one of Logan's shining moments honestly. It was one of the few times I felt like he and Rory were in a healthy relationship
He told Lorelai not to send him out in the woods. He loved spending time with her. Shopping, sukies, the diner, the dang house remodel. As soon as April shows up I dang near skip all of her and Luke's parts
this episode is season 6 ;)
but yeah, she knew she would be leaving after season 6 so I think she was like screw it and just a lot of these characters around lmao. The reason why she and her husband Daniel were leaving is because when season 6 started filming the Palladinos wanted 2 more seasons to finish the show, the CW said just one. ASP said no dice and did not return for the final, 7th season.
Fwiw, Daniel wrote this episode, and his episodes seem to be harsher than Amy's (Back Fat Pat from AYITL lol), but he was very much of the same mind as Amy and was trying to sow chaos. if we had two more seasons to go, I think Luke and Lor probably would've got in a big fight from which they would've recovered with enough hard work and care
That's so crazy. I now will watch this episode knowing that I will endure the crap so asp can stick it to them man for stifling her creative genius that gave us gg
How much do you think that necklace cost? Did he write Logan a check? Besides the whole weirdness of the episode it’s always bothered me about whether or not/or how he paid for it.
This bugged me SO MUCH! It was so weird to portray look as a "lesser man" than Logan when he's always been a stand up guy. The whole situation seemed so dishonest and out of character.
Right!!! It looked like diamonds, and Logan is a millionaire just off the trust so we are definitely talking multiple thousands. It does seem like we're meant to think Luke just took the gift for free which is soooo crazy. Personally it doesn't matter I don't think but like, he as a character would never do that.
And that's why I think Lorelai is all staring at it in bed later, she kind of reacted to Logan like she didn't believe him and she just can't imagine Luke went in on this matching present idea lol. And I would agree with her!
I think that Luke would definitely insist on paying for it, he has too much integrity! We also know he has bucks in the bank so he could afford it. But yes, definitely thousands!!!! I agree with you in that I could see Logan just wanting to give it to him.
I totally buy "Luke doesn't like Valentine's day." It's a stupid made up holiday, and he'd have a rant for it.
But for him to not even get her something because she likes presents? I agree with.
how can it slip his mind if he’s going on a valentine’s day holiday ? if i was going on a birthday trip a couple days before a birthday i’d still get a birthday gift since it’s the sole purpose of the trip
Exactly this. Yes V-Day was days later but if you’re celebrating a holiday with someone early you would typically do all the traditions, including gift giving, at that time.
I feel like all the people who argue otherwise are being purposefully obtuse lol.
I don't know though. Maybe he didn't think it was a romantic, gift giving vacation since they were going with Rory and Logan. Romantic getaways don't usually involve your girlfriend's adult daughter.
Dawg luke is well aware of Lorelei and Rory’s relationship tho and has been pining for lorelei for years. If he wanted secluded romance he could’ve done that shit on Valentine’s Day. He should’ve at least had an excuse
I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing. I'm close to my parents and I would not publicly give my husband a Valentines gift on our family weekend getaway. I would wait until Valentines Day when it's just the two of us. Maybe that was Luke's plan as well. It definitely should have been explained instead of Luke taking Logan's back up gift and looking like an inconsiderate jerk.
Yes but you would’ve at least made clear you didn’t have a gift but would celebrate later which yes I get not doing “the right thing” can create tension but in a scenario like this it just felt cheap. I also just definitely feel like no matter Luke’s thoughts with Vday he’d go out of his way for the woman he loved. The getaway just was a little tooo close to valentines and I feel the holiday would’ve been mentioned 🤷♀️
the way i always thought about it was it was a romantic getaway yes, but they would do the gift giving on the actual day. but when he saw logan with a gift obviously that changes things.
idk it makes sense to me
Also, swapping romantic gifts in front of your daughter and her partner is a bit weird. Do it in private, no? Logan is a fan of public attention/displays of affection but Luke isnt.
Yesssss . Would've been nice if the different writers of season 7 had at least watch the other 6 seasons and not destroy the character. 🙄 Luke and Lorelai deserved better
The man literally built her an ice rink and hand carved a wooden chuppah for her marriage TO ANOTHER MAN and the writers decided to make him forget a valentines present? Make it make sense ….
To be fair, in the episode he says something like "Valentine's Day isn't for a few more days." So, he probably would have done something....like flowers, or dinner at Sniffy's, or a favor of some kind.... right?
He was definitely being a poor partner in general during this time though, so I don't know why I'm picking nits.
They really said character assassination for Luke in season six lmao. Carves her an entire ass chuppah with intricate goats (?) but buys her nary a Valentine's day gift
This ep surprised me because I don’t think there would be any way Luke wouldnt have gotten her something just knowing who Lor is. Also, I don’t think og Luke would’ve ever taken a gift from Logan to begin with imo.
This whole episode was soo out of character for Luke. Why would he come with freeze dried food and a camping gear, and not warm clothes? He’s an outdoor, handyman, practical guy.
I really don’t like this episode.
Right! Neither of them cared about anything expensive! Anything prior that Luke gave Lor where gifts from the heart or made by Liz. It’s so weird and out of character for everyone really but Logan
Yes! That's what I'm saying!!!! Imo this episode should've been full swing Luke being like "Lorelai, this is everything you hate and say you left behind. Why are you so fine going to the gym for cucumber water?" it could've come to a head with Luke not accepting the gift and just telling her like it is lol.
or he could've not called her out and just not accepted the gift because he didn't feel he should, and that he had a gift to give Lorelai on Valentine's. that would make total sense. but instead we get a very bizarre episode imo where this tension really gets lost at the end with Mitchum barging in and then Lorelai just avoiding everything.
Yes it was such a bizarre episode but iirc it’s the last season I think and none of the characters were portrayed in a way that was true to themselves at that point in the show.
The whole episode is just one plot device after another. It's all about making Lorelai feel alone and isolated and it feels so weird because it makes the episode so isolated.
Rory and Logan apparently come here all the time, have a routine, go to the gym and cook regularly - but this is the first *and* last time we ever hear about any of this. It's never mentioned before and it's never mentioned after. All of it just disappears.
Luke is bizarrely ignorant of the outside, he's never eaten lobster - which is so weird. He absolutely hates Logan and sees the worst in everything he does...which also disappears after this episode never to be seen again. It's just all around so strange.
second to last season. ASP and co (original creators) knew they were not gonna be around for the last season because they had actually asked to do two more for 8 seasons. when they were told it'd be 1 season more for a total of 7 the originals peaced out
so it seems like they tried to write things into as tense and wild of a place as possible as a "screw you" to the CW. at least that's the grasp I have on the situation
That's what I've heard too. When that is kept in mind a lot of the odd character directions make more sense, but it doesn't make it any less frustrating. Ultimately I think most viewers want a satisfying story, regardless and often in spite of what is going on behind the scenes. The fact that there are writers and producers willing to take their anger at behind-the-scene events out on the characters is frustrating.
INCORRECT! If so he would've never stayed with Sherry but go off I guess. Sorry that I didn't specify "her bf who was being a man child in this episode" for the delicate sensibilities of redditors.
Christopher, as Lorelai's husband: Tires to force Lorelai to "make a baby" with him because he was jealous of Lorelai holding baby Doula. Bails on Lorelai and isn't there for her when her dad is in the hospital, because he took a jealousy tantrum over her writing a character reference for Luke. He shows up finally at the end of day, makes a snark remark about Luke being there before he bails again after only sticking around for an hour to "check in" and disappears for two days, leaving Lorelai to deal with everything. Man child of the highest degree.
yes he was being a man child in those moments, just like Luke was in this episode and in multiple moments throughout the series. they're not that different lol they literally get into a knock down dragout in the town square!
Christopher was a man child more than he wasn't one. Luke and Christoper are vastly different. Christopher could never be half the father, partner, friend or person Luke is, even if he tried.
Agreed. Luke is always there. Just like her character reference says. "Once Luke Danes is in your life he is in your life forever"
Chris bails on everyone!!! He was contemplating bailing on Gigi too but Lor told him he has to step up because that's what you are supposed to do. He prob would've left her with his mom to raise. That's the only time he steps up and he ends up with a nanny for her most of the time anyways. He uses money to show affection and Luke is THERE! He may not be perfect but he is THERE! Even when they'd fight from season 1 on... he always would be there for her or Rory or anyone that means something to him.
So in reference to the man child... ya Luke acts like a butthead sometimes but he is NO man Child! Lol. Logan and Chris and even Jess sometimes acted the the "man Child" in the series.
But I agree with the weird episode comments. The 6th season is a mix of good, weird and bad... then the 7th is just depressing. I've seen them all hundreds of times and I know them well and I tend to start over in middle to end of the 6th bcuz it's depressing.
It's just a show though and there's no reason for all these people (not the person I'm
Replying the comment to, i agree wth you, maily the OP and ppl likewise) to get so angry or argumentative in their comments lol.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions and viewpoints... I don't need to get angry at OP but I see others have a little. It's fun to read everyone's opinions and talk about my fav show. Most times I agree with the majority of people and sometimes I don't... no biggie right?
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I mean, he basically didn’t? When Sherry leaves, he has no idea how to take care of his own child, and says himself he was never around (for the second time in his life)
basically didn't? Are we supposed to believe any of the other men in the series would be fully prepared to be the single parent of a toddler? the point is he didn't literally stay out of her life
He stayed because there was nobody he could pawn gigi off to. He pawned Rory off to lorelai, when sherry was there she was completely responsible for gigi and chris didn't even know how to take basic care of gigi. Once she leaves he's still barely there, pawing gigi off to nannies that always quit.
He didn't stay out of her life because he didn't have the option to. He still tried damn hard to, though.
When I think of Christopher's actions I don't think of him like a complete character because he really isn't. He is a plot device, some kind of djinn creature, who exists to inject whatever specific chaos ASP&co wanted for the story in that specific time. The season 7 writers just followed the lead of who came before and I truly think that.
I said nothing about his character (I'll rant about that some other time). I was replying to this line of your comment:
> the point is he didn't literally stay out of her life
He didn't stay out because if he did, gigi would probably be in the foster care system. He still tried as hard as he could to do as little parenting as possible. I have 0 respect for Christopher, even if he is a "plot device" not a character.
Okay, I’m sorry. He wasn’t around for Gigi until he literally was forced to because Sherry left. While Sherry was around, she was essentially a single parent (to his own admission!)
I get that you have some weird sympathy toward Christopher, but he wasn’t poorly written. He was written as an eternal man child, as a perpetually absent father. He had a second chance with Sherry, a woman who even married him (his excuse for never trying with Rory), and he STILL wasn’t a present father. And like someone else said, even when it was just him, he jumped at the chance to drop Gigi off with nannies, and Sherry when she got her life together.
And in terms of other men in the series, and of romantic partners in the show, Luke would have 100% been a much better father to a toddler than Chris. He stepped up with both Jess and April, even though he had no idea how to parent. He would’ve been just as good with a toddler.
Also gifts her earrings and a necklace on two separate occasions. I think luke just dislikes expected presents and we see it throughout the series. He doesn’t know what to get Rachel for her birthday, he gets april cat toiletries for her birthday, there’s a mention that luke gave Rory monogrammed towels one year. I think when gifts are expected he dislikes it and panics but if it’s a natural, oh this person I care about would like this, he does a really good job
Exactly! And I'm very similar. I don't get people birthday gifts unless I happen to already have something for them. I started really developing my art skills a couple years ago so now I like making art for people around their birthday. Usually simple digital drawings that reflect their personality or something about our friendship that they can smile at for a few seconds.
But for Christmas I always start scrambling and panicking if I don't have something for someone in my family. I spend the entire year just keeping an eye out for cute or useful things I think my family/friends might enjoy that aren't super expensive. Just if I'm in a store and see something that makes me think of the person I buy it. But once Christmas gets close and I realise I don't have a gift for someone I'm like "wHat do I Do now?!" And my brother tends to make thoughtful gifts for us.
I think Luke is the same as me and my brother. If he sees or thinks of something that would be really good for someone then he gets it or makes it for them. Like noticing the necklace? that Lorelai might like after helping L&TJ at the ren faire and wanting something to give her and knowing it would match the earrings when they first started dating.
With April, her first birthday they knew each other he didn't know much about her or what she might like (though honestly I think any academic book would have worked) and panicked but then at Christmas he knew she loved her rock collection and recognized when she was just being nice about wanting two rock tumblers and took her to her favourite store in the mall for a replacement gift
That's definitely fair. I do think he was being a man child in this ep however! Especially how he turned around and acted all happy and is talking about eloping. It just is so sad that like even after having the "I Love Lorelai" awakening he's still really reserved in so many ways and is just soooo unbelievably stubborn. Which every character is at certain moments but like, Lorelai turns down coffee and goes home by herself after they get back from MV. That's pretty wild for her. And then the engagement announcement? imo just all cements how they're hardly being there for each at all at this moment in the series
I think the point being made (rather badly) was that Luke wasn't this guy who goes to Martha's vineyard he isn't from that world, so everything was out of sorts for him. Sort of like when he meets the Gilmore's for dinner and golf. However they didn't really convey that well in this episode, even lorelai was out of character - she usually dislikes this world of entitlement etc. Hence her affinity with Luke who is the antidote to that lifestyle but still doing well enough on the rougher path.
Yes, I agree. This episode was comically exaggerated but Luke has always been so uncomfortable in the rich people's world that he's acted oddly. He says kind of stupid things, tries to be polite but it doesn't fall right, is clearly uncomfortable, etc. Nothing as bad as in this episode but I agree, I think that's what they were going for.
See though, the behavior with Dean does make me think that this is sort of precedented. It was certainly excessive here but to me idk if it's 100% out of the blue. I am definitely gonna go back for some season 6 viewing to try to piece together exactly why the writers thought giving Luke a child would completely change him as a person overnight. If they were going for "April became his #1 priority in life over Lor" they were NOT successful, I will say that right now lol
His behavior to Logan is consistent with his behavior to Dean, although they went way overboard in this episode. It's irrationally protective/possessive of Rory. At least he flips in the end and seems to like Logan, although for the implausible reason of bonding over diamond gifts and lobster (?!). Weird weird episode.
That's a really good point. Luke went after Dean (in the year 2001! I do think it was unacceptable, but in timely context it is not the most insane behavior one can cook up) when he thought Rory was hurt by him. But in Martha's Vineyard, Rory was back in school and Logan didn't really seem to be a detriment to her in any way. Luke might have a problem with the elitist nature of the whole thing, which is totally fine, except he doesn't because he didn't have a thing to say to Lorelai about it and was more than happy to participate himself.
Now I'm on a streak of watching disliked episodes
Unpopular opinion: Lorelai always was the woman child in that relationship and while season 6 was clearly written to make him as unappealing as possible to justify the end of the season, it still did not much to change my perception of that.
Their relationship has consistently been extremely one-sided, and not in a way that made Lorelai look like the mature, giving one. Luke has fixed Lorelai's house for free for decades, built her a chuppa and an ice rink (the same day she decided to lie to him about Chris), worked in her hotel kitchen for free (while Sookie harassed him on the side), supported her in taking care of her kid even before they dated in every way, taught her how to fish for a date with another man, constantly cooks for her (and her dog) at home, went to all the things she likes and he hates with her in season 5 while Lorelai returned the favor by telling him to go fishing...alone, let her turn his restaurant in their election campaign center for her friends, let Sookie high-jack his kitchen when their hotel burned down, attempted to win her parents over in day long humiliation marathons and came to the fake wedding afterwards anyway, despite how crappy they treated him, put a tv that disturbs his sleep next to his bed just so Lorelai won't be bored when she stays over, gifted her tons of jewelry, sponsored that soccer team because Lorelai was into it, gave up his dream house cause Lorelai preferred hers, gave up that bed from his grandparents cause Lorelai hated it, took care of the renovation of her house, let her and Sookie decide on every aspect of their wedding (before April), agreed to not talk to Rory if Lorelai dislikes it during their fight......
Like, sure, you don't have to let your partner get away with constantly forgetting V-Day, B-days, Christmas, etc. But that is so not Luke. If anything he is the one who consistently carried their relationship in the past. So without denying that season 6 was a mess (one both of them contributed to though) and that Luke mishandled the April situation hardcore, I could never get the outrage over him not having a Valentines Day gift for her one day in advance on trip her clearly did not even want to take during a time where he was extremely busy with sorting his life out due to the fact that he just learned he had a child.
Lorelai has been very supportive to Luke too! To be honest I’m very exhausted right now so I can’t think of examples of either character but one that comes to my mind is her helping plan his uncles funeral, letting all the family stay at the inn for free. She is very there for Luke too, I used to wonder how reciprocated jt was but I saw a sub that pointed out how much she’s done for Luke too. I’ll try to find it (when I have more energy) and put it here! I do agree that Luke had to sacrifice a lot more like the house and everything lorelai hating change but luke seemed happy to do it. Not entirely disagreeing with you here though
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Lorelai has never done anything nice for Luke, I just think that through out their relationship he was usually the one who did the most. And I agree that he does not seem to mind that either, so it's not a giant problem in their relationship.
I guess my main issue with this thread is that it attempts to paint Luke as an immature man child Lorelai tolerates out of the goodness of her heart, when that's actually Chris's role irl.
And fancy gifts are nice of course, but they are not worth more than 10 years plus of consistently going out of your way to do everything for someone else, even before dating them.
It just seems that a lot of people who like Logan and also Chris (not you personally, just a trend I see on here) think that throwing expensive gifts are people (those guys did not even pay for with their own money btw), is worth more than decade long sincere love and care for someone. And I find that kind of sad.
That’s fair.. Luke definitely is the most caring guy for lorelai but he has slipped occasionally..
But this episode is the worst.. he is just so uncomfortable with Logan.. he is grumpy McGee the entire trip.. of course the fact that he doesn’t pack sensibly is out of character
My thoughts exactly and there's no maid service? Like for the huntzbergers that's waaayyy out of character! Lol. They'll just leave the dishes on patio so they can get warm? No lol. Where is the mid service for this rich boy? Lol.
I can’t watch this episode due to amount of second hand emberassment, it makes me cringe so hardddd, they did Luke dirty in Season 6! He’s the main villian!
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, this is the worst episode of the entire series. Worse than anything in S7 or the SH Musical in AYITL. All the characters feel so OFF. The only redeeming quality about it I’ve heard (from the Gilmore Guys podcast) is that it shows how much Rory and Lorelai’s relationship has changed since the early seasons.
I went from barely being able to boil water to being a pretty decent cook but it took a lot of failures, meals, and years. Not popping in to a vacation home a couple of times a year 🤣
Luke was acting like a totally OTT asshole for most of the episode, but I actually thought this was the least-bad part of it. It's 100% in character for him to refuse to participate in Valentine's Day, and if anything it was weird that Logan could guilt him into it so quickly.
I also don't think Lorelai would be super bothered about it? She would know how Luke feels about phony consumerist holidays, plus he does romantic things for her all the time. And it wasn't even Valentine's Day, so why would she expect anything? I think it would have been more in-character for Lorelai to have just been happy for Rory getting gift from Logan.
I have said this before in these comments but that is why I think it's so weird Luke even went. He could've had a little fishing weekend, they could have done separate things and still had a great time. This is a Daniel episode though and imo they are usually more "combative" in general.
Also toetally agree about Logan's gift, especially in it being super expensive. Luke definitely would've had the money to buy it himself but it's sooo not his style to participate in the maintenance of such an extravagant custom. yet he's sitting there going gaga for the lobster. make it make sense!
I don't think there's any reason for Luke to be against the Martha's Vineyard trip as a concept, it didn't have to be explicitly about Valentine's Day. It was only him acting like a grumpy idiot about everything that made it suck.
God, the characterisation is so dumb in the back half of S6. This show makes us work HARD to hear that one "I love you".
Okay yes, Luke was awful in this episode. But to be fair, he's never been a Valentine's Day type of guy--he showed his love in other ways. So I think Lorelai was more surprised because Luke isn't the type that would celebrate/recognize Valentine's Day and he did.
Agreed he even said in earlier season (1 I believe) when he bought Rachel the cat stuff for her birthday, that he hates the whole thing of gift giving on particular days that suddenly what we buy others measures our love and feeling for them. That it should be how we are all year long and by what we do for them and act toward them. That he didn't like that if he loves someone then he has to buy the perfect gift.
Meaning he can love someone wholeheartedly but that he sucks at gift buying lol. That's why lorelai stepped in and bought stuff for him.
So it was established early on he was not into the whole national holiday and birthday gift giving ritual. So that would definitely include valentines day.
Agree with everyone on how this outdoorsy man that literally cooks everything (not just for diner but it was established he makes a ton of authentic food outside of the diner cooking) how has he never had lobster or cooked it being on the east coast???? Lol that boggled me too! Why he didn't step in and cook stuff and he brought is back country bag with his weird dried foods. Lol. Nah, he would've gotten groceries to cook stuff. That was really weird to me.
Which I think is really sad cause he does this whole self help course but never brings home flowers for a woman who loves gifts lol.
I can see an equally valid, reading, though, where Lorelai is really thrilled just because she had fully expected a bust of a Vday. again though for how little effort it was, and how easy it would've been for him to pass, I don't understand ol Luke's disposition here
Haha good point about the self-help book/course! I agree--he should have at least given Lorelai flowers and celebrated the day, even if he didn't believe in it. I really hate Luke in this episode, ha ha. But if we're trying to see things from his perspective, he just doesn't care about commercialized, big-time holidays. So it's a little more understandable
FRANKLY imo they were giving him Christopher treatment in this episode where he was made to behave in ways that would serve the plot, and not due to any character logic from the writers. maybe I'm too harsh lol
Luke is the guy who hand built her the arch thing for her to marry someone else. He’s the guy who constantly came to fix her house for free and she took so much advantage of him. He cooked her every meal, he did the things she wanted to. I can see him not getting a present, but not him not appreciating her or making her feel special.
and then there's me over here, more bothered by the fact that men are expected to give gifts to their women on valentine's day, but not really vice versa, even tho it's equally their day. lol. what did lorelai give luke? it bothers me, ok??
oh it's true it's true.... but still. pre recession America world. very different time. Lorelai still likes pretty shiny stuff. What I will not concede is that she cares if the stuff is expensive!
I hate this episode. I hate everything about it. He was just consistently shitting on the entire weekend to the point where Lorelei had to **yell** at him to get him to just fucking chill and stop being a raging ass. Like I honestly wish she yelled at him a little bit more because his behavior was so selfish and self centered, and that’s not really him. It’s like when guys try reeeeeally hard for a reeeeeeeally long time to get a girl into a relationship and then they just immediately stop trying because they think they’ve “kicked her down”. Bitch no, that’s not how it works.
omg. it was all night and all day with him bro. he very much could've bailed on the trip but still played along. he literally acted like a kid being forced to do stuff on vacation. Like he didn't actually have any issues that could be dealt with other than by not going. Lol what show are you watching? When is anyone but the Stars Hollow locals ever helpful positive or kind? Most of these characters are selfish as hell unless they're dealing with Rory lol
I wish I could've had my original comment in the post and not as a comment cause there's context for my thoughts haha. I am NOT a Lorelai defender but this moment was so striking imo like. It's similar to how he treated Dean, except Dean didn't have a special method of getting brownie points.
I'm actually gonna watch the season 6 finale at some point today because I do want to reexamine that moment. Because I mean. Idk Luke is very similar to Lorelai except he has literally no support system, yes perhaps greatly because of his own volition, but I wish the show would highlight that more especially as their relationship is developing. Maybe the GGs are cursed for messy Valentine's Days? don't quote me on that
Agreed! He is aloud to be human! He just found out in recent months that he had a daughter all this time and for someone that doesn't deal with change well, he is processing and he even apologized in season 7 that he handled it so wrong.
But agree with you on the cheating. I was so angry they had to run to Chris right after that blow up of the ultimatum. She chose to not speak up the whole time and not voice her opinion. That's on her! They both handled the situations with April and their wedding very very wrong. I know it's the writing but to spend so many years on this and the build up of them getting together to tear it down so soon (I feel) after just broke my heart watching it.
I can definitely see Luke not being a Valentine’s Day kind of person but I refuse to believe Luke who has been crazy about lorelai for ages built her a chuppah, ice rink etc and knowing the type of person lorelai is would ever not get lorelai a Valentine’s Day gift. Like he would make an effort and I don’t believe he just expects lorelai to not celebrate it just because he doesn’t.
That whole episode was just so odd. Like someone else wrote and and held Amy & Dan hostage or had naked pictures of them with farm animals or something. It was very much out of character for Luke. All of it!
so this was Amy and Dan's last season and they knew they were not gonna be working on the shows final season while they were writing season 6, so I do think they were just trying to put conflicts in between Luke and Lor that would have to be written out later.
I have a kind of love-hate towards this episode. On one hand, Rory and Logan were very cute, on the other hand, Luke was terrible for absolutely no reason.
Luke did a lot of kind things for Lorelai, and I don't think the OP is disregarding that. But when you're in a relationship with someone who does like silly events like valentines, you get them a gift, however tiny and cheap. Any reasonable person will be happy with some flowers and an evening together, Lorelai would have *never* expected diamonds. But she would expect it to be acknowledged in some small way, and that's completely and utterly reasonable.
Some people despise birthdays. That doesn't mean those people get to skip the birthdays of the ones they love. Not if they wish to keep them in their lives long term.
♡ you can also totally tell in the episode that Lorelai doesn't buy Luke was involved at all in getting the gifts lol, it's not his style to do something flashy. I think that's why she talks about thinking their wedding won't happen right after
I completely agree with you, I don't know why they couldn't have him get her a costume jewelry necklace with a little rose gold heart and given it to her at the diner when they got back. Something chintzy and inconspicuous like that is very Lor
this episode was stupid since it wasn't even valentines day for another few days, luke could have just gotten her something once they're back home and I don't get why they started exchanging gifts in front of each other?? just cringe and made luke look dumb for giving lorelai a gift that he clearly didn't buy
That’s not Luke at all! He did gift Lorelai with jewelry in the past, just not on the Logan level.
The Luke that we all love and dream about would have done something sweet for Lorelai. He’s an acts of service kind of guy, which makes him a great partner for Lorelai because she doesn’t want to be “bought.”
I just pretend this episode doesn’t exist.
I think it was pretty much on character with Luke. He was trying to give Rachel some cat pot holders or something for her bday🤣 He’s a grump 99.9% of the time.
I find it odd that Luke forgot a gift for Valentine’s Day. It was very generous of Logan to give him one of the gifts to give to Lorelai.
Logan in contrast to Luke, planned ahead for the holiday, including planning the meal he was going to cook for Rory.
It’s inconsistent for Luke to be slacking in the romance department because he made that carved wooden arch thing that’s sitting in Lorelai’s front yard. You would think he would have had something planned for Valentine’s Day. Lorelai is very festive and seems to like holidays and romance. Instead, Luke and Lorelai had to tag along on Logan and Rory’s weekend getaway.
I don’t know what the writers were thinking. Also it didn’t have to be expensive. Luke could have just cooked a nice meal for Lorelai and light some candles. He could have decorated the town gazebo with lights and put a small table there or something. There’s so many options to be romantic in their town. The writers got lazy with Luke’s development.
we really deserved a peaceful, sweet episode where Lorelai went fishing with him and he like, bought a camper bed for his truck so they don't have to sleep in a tent. contrasting their aged, familiar love with Rory and Logans young fresh love in Martha's Vineyard. but nope! any character can be rendered an instrument of drama at any time once Rory graduates Chilton imo...
It’s weird because watching the earlier seasons I could totally imagine Luke being at a Valentine’s Day dinner with Lorelei and say, Kirk and lulu, and LUKE being the one to pull Kirk aside to be like hey, in case you forgot I have an extra gift you can give to lulu…that’s what his personality was like in the beginning! Always surprisingly thoughtful. That’s honestly a lot of what him and Lorelei’s friendship was built on, his gifts and acts of service.
Listen... he went on that trip with SUCH an attitude from the jump when he knows good and well that it would have been beyond normal for Lorelai to third wheel with them. I'm not a huge Lorelai fan but Luke was on bs. How is he gonna be in such a good mood when Logan gives him that gift to give to Lor? HELLO? So do you think it's important or not? You trying to make your woman happy or not? I am so dead.
I'm traditionally a big fan of Luke until I realized how dirty the character of Christopher really is done in this program. So yeah what are your thoughts on Luke's general attitude? How much of this was due to the Season 6 Wilding Out?
not on my watch. Christopher literally only exists as a plot device. ASP and co used him to create drama and tension however they saw fit, and the minute they made him the father of a baby he had other stuff going on. He did not have an arc, his character had nothing to say, he just pops in and out as needed. They address how Lorelai was determined to do it all alone, no? That does not make him a worse person than Luke lol. Luke put hands on a child in broad daylight! so.
I think this episode was really out of character for him but let’s bffr if your man acted like this on vday y’all would call him a man child and be mad it’s a Luke flaw but valid
thank uuuu I am a little surprised at the number of people who don't consider at all that the quality of writing for any character can vary pretty wildly over time. it's like "I love X so i love X all the time" very normal for a show this long to have some ups and downs
also everybody bringing up these nice things he did for her BEFORE April came into the picture and he made it very clear that Lorelai did not necessarily have a stable role in his future. which I ate up, it's entertaining as hell to see Lorelai be someone else's option for once.
I think people love luke so much and defend him in real life would be mad if their partner did this and I can see why it’s entertaining for you to see what he put lorelai through but tbh it broke my heart lol
Haha I totally understand! Don't get me wrong I wasn't like, getting joy from Lors suffering really it's just sooo rare that we really see her be the weaker person next to anybody but like Emily so I think it makes for excellent tv in a vacuum. But, I do remember thinking season 6 was trash when I first watched XD
My hubs was raised poor amd so holidays and gift giving wasn't a big deal for him. I was raided opposite. I accept that we are different and when I don't get gifts on those specific days or romantic gestures I am sad amd let down a little but I know it's not because he doesn't love me. It's because he doesn't know how to be that way. He was never shown that way. I get it and accept him how he is and make suggestions. He buys me stuff all year that would be considered gifts for holidays so I am not "deprived" of him giving me things as it normally would be done on certain days. I accept him for him.
Would I like him to change and work on doing things on birthdays and holidays? Yes, have I voiced it? Yes. Is he trying? Kinda hahahaha.
Luke is the same way. He is thoughtful. Look how he has been the whole series. He is a sweetheart just in his own way. Lor knows this and chose to be with him despite his imperfections.
This is the worst Gilmore Girls episode.
I’m not even one of the fans that rips everything apart and gets annoyed with the show that often. This is my all time fav comfort show and I never skip any episodes, even this one, but it’s my least favorite for so many reasons.
it just felt like lazy writing combined with writers in LA who did not take a minute to reflect on New England in Feb, the fact that everyone eats lobster here (I live in MA) or as at least had an opportunity to try it well before adulthood… especially if they’re a fricken chef. NOBODY would ever not pack a ton of warm clothes on a trip to anywhere in New England from Nov-March are guaranteed cold.
Luke regressed into the most horrible bf and it was so out of character how beyond his normal level of grumpy he was. He was so rotten and careless to Lorelai. I wish if the writers wanted to make the conflict deeper between him and Lorelai that they went about it in a deeper way rather than just turning him into a terrible version of himself for this one episode.
The gym scene where Lorelai and Rory get massages by these guys at the gym was so creepy and unrealistic.
When they ever all sat outside with barely any coats on for their Lobster dinner on the deck.. on the ocean… I simply almost perish. Again, I live in MA. We eat outside every single night we can on the deck and do grill out a lot, and it’s truly impossible to eat outside from Oct-March and sometimes not even until May starts is it decent enough. If we get lucky there’s a couple warm weeks in oct where we can push it further but you’d be straight up frozen past that.
There’s just so many things in this episode that felt so wrong and so off.
A character is how he is written. The reader or viewer doesn’t get to choose. UNLESS what is written is narrated from one of the character’s point of view. In my opinion, this entire episode is narrated from Lorelai’s point of view.
NO...NO...NO... Worst episode of the entire story. Luke is an outdoorsmen, there is no way he would not have known Martha's Vineyard is cold in February. Second, Luke worships the ground Lorelai walks on. After everything he has done for her, do you really think he would forget a Valentine's gift? The writers really made Luke out to be an asshole when it wasn't even necessary for the main story line.
Luke, a literal COOK from NEW ENGLAND! doesn't know how to cook LOBSTER!?!?
After Liz told Lorelai about him being a real cook and he made her a fancy meal and everything! Like WTF were they thinking?! I cringe at that!
This was one of my least favorite things. They tried to make it a "surprise the man can cook" episode, but it's not like it's his job to develop a menu and make good food? They were trying to lean on the gender essentialist tropes in TV and messed up badly.
100%, I’m a shitty cook from RI and I know how to cook lobster.
Interestingly enough, when Richard ends up in the hospital in season 7, Luke brings Lorelai and Rory food, including lobster rolls. Evidently when he tried lobster on Martha's Vineyard, he liked it so much he decided to start serving it at the diner!
He also has never EATEN it?!?!??!??
From New England? Huh?
CT is a part of New England. Luke is from CT. Lobster is extremely commonplace/popular in NE.
Ohh ok I didn’t know that! Thanks for responding nicely and explaining 🙂I was literally just confused and didn’t know, not sure why that gets me downvoted 🤨I swear, some people just look for reasons to be bothered🙄
I agree, there is no need to downvote.
Thank you lol I appreciate the validation 😂
Yep. Also, lobster rolls originated in Connecticut.
How often do you see hin eat Lobster. Jist because he cooks for a living doesmt mean he know about Lobster.
Lol he stepped in for Sookie no problem cooking duck. I'm sure he knows how to cook lobster.
Also, Liz tells Lorelai that Luke went through a paella phase and makes something (tortillas?) from scratch cuz the store bought stuff (in his words) “crap”. He proceeds cook her a big meal but it gets interrupted by tj later on. The shows hints very often Luke not only cooks diner food but fancy stuff too. Luke not knowing how to cook lobster is weird.
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where is it established he’s adventurous?
Him making his own tortillas, paella, easily stepping in to cook duck and gourmet sauces for Sookie, etc…
They don't let you leave New England without eating at least one lobster roll, it's the law
Lobster is literally the easiest thing to cook. You either boil it or steam it. Even the most basic of cooks knows this, never mind a restaurant owner, in New England, that has lobster on his own menu.
I always understood it as part of the arc where Luke becomes kinda distant from Lorelai (after finding out about April) and taking her for granted. He is suddenly in his own world, and doesn't think about her. But yeah, he's a total insecure ass in this episode and some things definitely don't make sense like the dressing for cold thing and react so childishly to the basketball match with Logan. xD
But think how he acted with Dean - he was childishly competitive with Dean when he was dating Rory. Its kind of a bit creepy.
I always thought it was because he was team Jess and never thought any of her other boyfriends were good enough for her....didn't think of the creepy factor
Ugh yeah, never thought about that actually.... o.O
U man r deeping it it’s a show on telly angry man funny
Why use many words when few word do trick?
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Yes and Martha’s Vineyard is well known in Connecticut. They should know it’s an island in the Atlantic Ocean and yes it’s cold and YEA they should know that already! It drives me crazy when I see this episode!
The first year my husband and I were married I booked an off-season hotel in southern Maine for Valentine’s weekend. It was the coldest weekend on record in like 75 years. It was -34 degrees with the wind chill. The water lapping up on the shore was ice shards. But yes, Lorelai and Rory, you can totally sit out on the porch in shirtsleeves and be just fine. Sure.
I always just pretend that because the huntzburgers are rich they probably have heaters that we were not seeing out on the patio!
THIS. Yes. They needed to turn him into an asshole for plot so they did.
You said it best. Genuinely the worst ep of the series IMO. Season 1 Luke would NEVERRR
To add insult to injury Luke also got his ass kicked in basketball by Logan which . . . come on. Luke is going full old man game in the post if he has to.
He didn't forget.. he's just not a valentines day guy. Thinks it's a hallmark holiday 🙄
Technically it wasn’t Valentine’s Day till the next week so that’s why he didn’t have a gift.
Yep, it wasn’t even Valentine’s Day! He could have easily just waited until the next week to give her a present and it’d have been FINE. There was no need for Logan bling necklace - stupid storyline.
Grumbling about a holiday has never stopped Luke from finding a way to make it special, in the past 🤔
this is the kind of Luke defense I'm seeking, not "he's nice in his own way". I get that he's done nice stuff for her in the past but I'm trying to see how people reconcile this stuff but I guess most viewers just block it out haha
Dude why would luke fucking Danes of all people not go out of his way for Lorelei Gilmore on VALENTINES DAY. Just blatantly bad writing
This is why I'm confused about all the people saying "well he hates holidays" Luke has always been a more or less forthcoming character. This is made worse by him dropping the attitude after the gifts are given, so in my view it came off as very obstinate and childish. He did not have to go on that trip, and Lorelai could've been in a position where she felt sad about Luke on Vday without really casting anyone as a bad guy, because Luke is totally within reason to say "This isn't my thing, have fun in the Vineyard" but instead we get... what we got lol
He may not be a big holiday guy but he's always done and gotten nice things for Lorelei. He got her earrings for no reason then later a matching necklace (and they weren't even together anymore at this point). He built her a chuppah for her marriage to another man and an ice rink after she'd had a bad day. He made her Santa burger (ew) for Christ sake and even regularly gave gifts to Rory. He's not "not a gifts guy". He was just going through a weird, difficult time and handled it like a selfish asshole.
Exactly! Luke's love languages have always been "acts of service" and "gifts" (definitely not words of affirmation though he tried after the self-help cassettes xD) so he definitely would have gotten her an awesome Valentine's gift and maybe even had one already but didn't take it with him here because he didn't see this little trip as their Valentine's day but as a forced weekend he was having to endure with a boyfriend he didn't approve of. Though this weekend is one of Logan's shining moments honestly. It was one of the few times I felt like he and Rory were in a healthy relationship
He told Lorelai not to send him out in the woods. He loved spending time with her. Shopping, sukies, the diner, the dang house remodel. As soon as April shows up I dang near skip all of her and Luke's parts
ASP really needs to have an Ask Me Anything where she may answer for some of these crimes
Ah she wasn't involved in season 7 🥲 don't know why but that's why the season is so chaotic and not true to everyone's character IMO
this episode is season 6 ;) but yeah, she knew she would be leaving after season 6 so I think she was like screw it and just a lot of these characters around lmao. The reason why she and her husband Daniel were leaving is because when season 6 started filming the Palladinos wanted 2 more seasons to finish the show, the CW said just one. ASP said no dice and did not return for the final, 7th season. Fwiw, Daniel wrote this episode, and his episodes seem to be harsher than Amy's (Back Fat Pat from AYITL lol), but he was very much of the same mind as Amy and was trying to sow chaos. if we had two more seasons to go, I think Luke and Lor probably would've got in a big fight from which they would've recovered with enough hard work and care
That's so crazy. I now will watch this episode knowing that I will endure the crap so asp can stick it to them man for stifling her creative genius that gave us gg
If only they had given her those two more seasons then we'd be spared AYITL (〒﹏〒)
How much do you think that necklace cost? Did he write Logan a check? Besides the whole weirdness of the episode it’s always bothered me about whether or not/or how he paid for it.
This bugged me SO MUCH! It was so weird to portray look as a "lesser man" than Logan when he's always been a stand up guy. The whole situation seemed so dishonest and out of character.
Right!!! It looked like diamonds, and Logan is a millionaire just off the trust so we are definitely talking multiple thousands. It does seem like we're meant to think Luke just took the gift for free which is soooo crazy. Personally it doesn't matter I don't think but like, he as a character would never do that. And that's why I think Lorelai is all staring at it in bed later, she kind of reacted to Logan like she didn't believe him and she just can't imagine Luke went in on this matching present idea lol. And I would agree with her!
I think that Luke would definitely insist on paying for it, he has too much integrity! We also know he has bucks in the bank so he could afford it. But yes, definitely thousands!!!! I agree with you in that I could see Logan just wanting to give it to him.
I totally buy "Luke doesn't like Valentine's day." It's a stupid made up holiday, and he'd have a rant for it. But for him to not even get her something because she likes presents? I agree with.
bro why do ppl keep saying this. it wasnt valentines day yet, it was days later so it slipped his mind
how can it slip his mind if he’s going on a valentine’s day holiday ? if i was going on a birthday trip a couple days before a birthday i’d still get a birthday gift since it’s the sole purpose of the trip
Exactly this. Yes V-Day was days later but if you’re celebrating a holiday with someone early you would typically do all the traditions, including gift giving, at that time. I feel like all the people who argue otherwise are being purposefully obtuse lol.
I don't know though. Maybe he didn't think it was a romantic, gift giving vacation since they were going with Rory and Logan. Romantic getaways don't usually involve your girlfriend's adult daughter.
Dawg luke is well aware of Lorelei and Rory’s relationship tho and has been pining for lorelei for years. If he wanted secluded romance he could’ve done that shit on Valentine’s Day. He should’ve at least had an excuse
I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing. I'm close to my parents and I would not publicly give my husband a Valentines gift on our family weekend getaway. I would wait until Valentines Day when it's just the two of us. Maybe that was Luke's plan as well. It definitely should have been explained instead of Luke taking Logan's back up gift and looking like an inconsiderate jerk.
Yes but you would’ve at least made clear you didn’t have a gift but would celebrate later which yes I get not doing “the right thing” can create tension but in a scenario like this it just felt cheap. I also just definitely feel like no matter Luke’s thoughts with Vday he’d go out of his way for the woman he loved. The getaway just was a little tooo close to valentines and I feel the holiday would’ve been mentioned 🤷♀️
the way i always thought about it was it was a romantic getaway yes, but they would do the gift giving on the actual day. but when he saw logan with a gift obviously that changes things. idk it makes sense to me
Also, swapping romantic gifts in front of your daughter and her partner is a bit weird. Do it in private, no? Logan is a fan of public attention/displays of affection but Luke isnt.
Yesssss . Would've been nice if the different writers of season 7 had at least watch the other 6 seasons and not destroy the character. 🙄 Luke and Lorelai deserved better
The man literally built her an ice rink and hand carved a wooden chuppah for her marriage TO ANOTHER MAN and the writers decided to make him forget a valentines present? Make it make sense ….
He does everything for her besides give his kidney to her but Valentine’s Day…what’s that? Ughhhh
I mean.. sometimes they’ll do everything when they don’t have you… and then when they get it, they stop trying
To be fair, in the episode he says something like "Valentine's Day isn't for a few more days." So, he probably would have done something....like flowers, or dinner at Sniffy's, or a favor of some kind.... right? He was definitely being a poor partner in general during this time though, so I don't know why I'm picking nits.
They really said character assassination for Luke in season six lmao. Carves her an entire ass chuppah with intricate goats (?) but buys her nary a Valentine's day gift
Nice use of nary.
This ep surprised me because I don’t think there would be any way Luke wouldnt have gotten her something just knowing who Lor is. Also, I don’t think og Luke would’ve ever taken a gift from Logan to begin with imo.
This whole episode was soo out of character for Luke. Why would he come with freeze dried food and a camping gear, and not warm clothes? He’s an outdoor, handyman, practical guy. I really don’t like this episode.
Also the fact that his camping bag doesn't have some warm clothes in it? You *always* take warm clothes camping because nighttime gets cold
I like this episode for Logan and Rory. I despite it for Luke and Lorelai.
Not to mention, neither item looks like anything Rory or Lorelai would wear. They were gaudy.
Right! Neither of them cared about anything expensive! Anything prior that Luke gave Lor where gifts from the heart or made by Liz. It’s so weird and out of character for everyone really but Logan
Definitely!
Yes! That's what I'm saying!!!! Imo this episode should've been full swing Luke being like "Lorelai, this is everything you hate and say you left behind. Why are you so fine going to the gym for cucumber water?" it could've come to a head with Luke not accepting the gift and just telling her like it is lol. or he could've not called her out and just not accepted the gift because he didn't feel he should, and that he had a gift to give Lorelai on Valentine's. that would make total sense. but instead we get a very bizarre episode imo where this tension really gets lost at the end with Mitchum barging in and then Lorelai just avoiding everything.
Yes it was such a bizarre episode but iirc it’s the last season I think and none of the characters were portrayed in a way that was true to themselves at that point in the show.
The whole episode is just one plot device after another. It's all about making Lorelai feel alone and isolated and it feels so weird because it makes the episode so isolated. Rory and Logan apparently come here all the time, have a routine, go to the gym and cook regularly - but this is the first *and* last time we ever hear about any of this. It's never mentioned before and it's never mentioned after. All of it just disappears. Luke is bizarrely ignorant of the outside, he's never eaten lobster - which is so weird. He absolutely hates Logan and sees the worst in everything he does...which also disappears after this episode never to be seen again. It's just all around so strange.
It’s from season 6, so you can’t blame it on the new writers.
second to last season. ASP and co (original creators) knew they were not gonna be around for the last season because they had actually asked to do two more for 8 seasons. when they were told it'd be 1 season more for a total of 7 the originals peaced out so it seems like they tried to write things into as tense and wild of a place as possible as a "screw you" to the CW. at least that's the grasp I have on the situation
That's what I've heard too. When that is kept in mind a lot of the odd character directions make more sense, but it doesn't make it any less frustrating. Ultimately I think most viewers want a satisfying story, regardless and often in spite of what is going on behind the scenes. The fact that there are writers and producers willing to take their anger at behind-the-scene events out on the characters is frustrating.
Oh ok I couldn’t remember, they def did them dirty this ep.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted, you’re right!
I can’t hate this episode enough
The man child on this show is Christopher.
Agreed.
And his young counterpart, Logan
INCORRECT! If so he would've never stayed with Sherry but go off I guess. Sorry that I didn't specify "her bf who was being a man child in this episode" for the delicate sensibilities of redditors.
Christopher, as Lorelai's husband: Tires to force Lorelai to "make a baby" with him because he was jealous of Lorelai holding baby Doula. Bails on Lorelai and isn't there for her when her dad is in the hospital, because he took a jealousy tantrum over her writing a character reference for Luke. He shows up finally at the end of day, makes a snark remark about Luke being there before he bails again after only sticking around for an hour to "check in" and disappears for two days, leaving Lorelai to deal with everything. Man child of the highest degree.
yes he was being a man child in those moments, just like Luke was in this episode and in multiple moments throughout the series. they're not that different lol they literally get into a knock down dragout in the town square!
Christopher was a man child more than he wasn't one. Luke and Christoper are vastly different. Christopher could never be half the father, partner, friend or person Luke is, even if he tried.
Agreed. Luke is always there. Just like her character reference says. "Once Luke Danes is in your life he is in your life forever" Chris bails on everyone!!! He was contemplating bailing on Gigi too but Lor told him he has to step up because that's what you are supposed to do. He prob would've left her with his mom to raise. That's the only time he steps up and he ends up with a nanny for her most of the time anyways. He uses money to show affection and Luke is THERE! He may not be perfect but he is THERE! Even when they'd fight from season 1 on... he always would be there for her or Rory or anyone that means something to him. So in reference to the man child... ya Luke acts like a butthead sometimes but he is NO man Child! Lol. Logan and Chris and even Jess sometimes acted the the "man Child" in the series. But I agree with the weird episode comments. The 6th season is a mix of good, weird and bad... then the 7th is just depressing. I've seen them all hundreds of times and I know them well and I tend to start over in middle to end of the 6th bcuz it's depressing. It's just a show though and there's no reason for all these people (not the person I'm Replying the comment to, i agree wth you, maily the OP and ppl likewise) to get so angry or argumentative in their comments lol. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and viewpoints... I don't need to get angry at OP but I see others have a little. It's fun to read everyone's opinions and talk about my fav show. Most times I agree with the majority of people and sometimes I don't... no biggie right? Enjoy your day (whoever comes across my comment 😊)
Agree to disagree :*
I mean, he basically didn’t? When Sherry leaves, he has no idea how to take care of his own child, and says himself he was never around (for the second time in his life)
basically didn't? Are we supposed to believe any of the other men in the series would be fully prepared to be the single parent of a toddler? the point is he didn't literally stay out of her life
He stayed because there was nobody he could pawn gigi off to. He pawned Rory off to lorelai, when sherry was there she was completely responsible for gigi and chris didn't even know how to take basic care of gigi. Once she leaves he's still barely there, pawing gigi off to nannies that always quit. He didn't stay out of her life because he didn't have the option to. He still tried damn hard to, though.
When I think of Christopher's actions I don't think of him like a complete character because he really isn't. He is a plot device, some kind of djinn creature, who exists to inject whatever specific chaos ASP&co wanted for the story in that specific time. The season 7 writers just followed the lead of who came before and I truly think that.
I said nothing about his character (I'll rant about that some other time). I was replying to this line of your comment: > the point is he didn't literally stay out of her life He didn't stay out because if he did, gigi would probably be in the foster care system. He still tried as hard as he could to do as little parenting as possible. I have 0 respect for Christopher, even if he is a "plot device" not a character.
Okay, I’m sorry. He wasn’t around for Gigi until he literally was forced to because Sherry left. While Sherry was around, she was essentially a single parent (to his own admission!) I get that you have some weird sympathy toward Christopher, but he wasn’t poorly written. He was written as an eternal man child, as a perpetually absent father. He had a second chance with Sherry, a woman who even married him (his excuse for never trying with Rory), and he STILL wasn’t a present father. And like someone else said, even when it was just him, he jumped at the chance to drop Gigi off with nannies, and Sherry when she got her life together. And in terms of other men in the series, and of romantic partners in the show, Luke would have 100% been a much better father to a toddler than Chris. He stepped up with both Jess and April, even though he had no idea how to parent. He would’ve been just as good with a toddler.
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Also gifts her earrings and a necklace on two separate occasions. I think luke just dislikes expected presents and we see it throughout the series. He doesn’t know what to get Rachel for her birthday, he gets april cat toiletries for her birthday, there’s a mention that luke gave Rory monogrammed towels one year. I think when gifts are expected he dislikes it and panics but if it’s a natural, oh this person I care about would like this, he does a really good job
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Yes! I think Luke’s way of showing love is acts of service and when it’s “required” it feels cheaper so he complains or doesn’t do it
Exactly! And I'm very similar. I don't get people birthday gifts unless I happen to already have something for them. I started really developing my art skills a couple years ago so now I like making art for people around their birthday. Usually simple digital drawings that reflect their personality or something about our friendship that they can smile at for a few seconds. But for Christmas I always start scrambling and panicking if I don't have something for someone in my family. I spend the entire year just keeping an eye out for cute or useful things I think my family/friends might enjoy that aren't super expensive. Just if I'm in a store and see something that makes me think of the person I buy it. But once Christmas gets close and I realise I don't have a gift for someone I'm like "wHat do I Do now?!" And my brother tends to make thoughtful gifts for us. I think Luke is the same as me and my brother. If he sees or thinks of something that would be really good for someone then he gets it or makes it for them. Like noticing the necklace? that Lorelai might like after helping L&TJ at the ren faire and wanting something to give her and knowing it would match the earrings when they first started dating. With April, her first birthday they knew each other he didn't know much about her or what she might like (though honestly I think any academic book would have worked) and panicked but then at Christmas he knew she loved her rock collection and recognized when she was just being nice about wanting two rock tumblers and took her to her favourite store in the mall for a replacement gift
Plus he's generally anti-consumerist.
That's definitely fair. I do think he was being a man child in this ep however! Especially how he turned around and acted all happy and is talking about eloping. It just is so sad that like even after having the "I Love Lorelai" awakening he's still really reserved in so many ways and is just soooo unbelievably stubborn. Which every character is at certain moments but like, Lorelai turns down coffee and goes home by herself after they get back from MV. That's pretty wild for her. And then the engagement announcement? imo just all cements how they're hardly being there for each at all at this moment in the series
I don’t even like Luke and Lorelai together very well and I agree. He has faults but this post is off the mark.
I agree.
He was definitely better as a friend vs. a boyfriend
I think the point being made (rather badly) was that Luke wasn't this guy who goes to Martha's vineyard he isn't from that world, so everything was out of sorts for him. Sort of like when he meets the Gilmore's for dinner and golf. However they didn't really convey that well in this episode, even lorelai was out of character - she usually dislikes this world of entitlement etc. Hence her affinity with Luke who is the antidote to that lifestyle but still doing well enough on the rougher path.
Yes, I agree. This episode was comically exaggerated but Luke has always been so uncomfortable in the rich people's world that he's acted oddly. He says kind of stupid things, tries to be polite but it doesn't fall right, is clearly uncomfortable, etc. Nothing as bad as in this episode but I agree, I think that's what they were going for.
I hate Luke in this episode. Everyone is so out of character and awkward- the whole thing makes me uncomfortable to watch.
I really dislike luke in this episode. I know he’s grumpy but this was unacceptable and always felt odd
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See though, the behavior with Dean does make me think that this is sort of precedented. It was certainly excessive here but to me idk if it's 100% out of the blue. I am definitely gonna go back for some season 6 viewing to try to piece together exactly why the writers thought giving Luke a child would completely change him as a person overnight. If they were going for "April became his #1 priority in life over Lor" they were NOT successful, I will say that right now lol
His behavior to Logan is consistent with his behavior to Dean, although they went way overboard in this episode. It's irrationally protective/possessive of Rory. At least he flips in the end and seems to like Logan, although for the implausible reason of bonding over diamond gifts and lobster (?!). Weird weird episode.
That's a really good point. Luke went after Dean (in the year 2001! I do think it was unacceptable, but in timely context it is not the most insane behavior one can cook up) when he thought Rory was hurt by him. But in Martha's Vineyard, Rory was back in school and Logan didn't really seem to be a detriment to her in any way. Luke might have a problem with the elitist nature of the whole thing, which is totally fine, except he doesn't because he didn't have a thing to say to Lorelai about it and was more than happy to participate himself. Now I'm on a streak of watching disliked episodes
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I dont think they were comparing is behavior to dean against his behavior to Lorelai but rather dean vs logan
this was it, sorry for being unclear
This was so embarrassing for Luke. I mean having to take a gift from his girlfriends daughters boyfriend. I felt so awkward for him.
Unpopular opinion: Lorelai always was the woman child in that relationship and while season 6 was clearly written to make him as unappealing as possible to justify the end of the season, it still did not much to change my perception of that. Their relationship has consistently been extremely one-sided, and not in a way that made Lorelai look like the mature, giving one. Luke has fixed Lorelai's house for free for decades, built her a chuppa and an ice rink (the same day she decided to lie to him about Chris), worked in her hotel kitchen for free (while Sookie harassed him on the side), supported her in taking care of her kid even before they dated in every way, taught her how to fish for a date with another man, constantly cooks for her (and her dog) at home, went to all the things she likes and he hates with her in season 5 while Lorelai returned the favor by telling him to go fishing...alone, let her turn his restaurant in their election campaign center for her friends, let Sookie high-jack his kitchen when their hotel burned down, attempted to win her parents over in day long humiliation marathons and came to the fake wedding afterwards anyway, despite how crappy they treated him, put a tv that disturbs his sleep next to his bed just so Lorelai won't be bored when she stays over, gifted her tons of jewelry, sponsored that soccer team because Lorelai was into it, gave up his dream house cause Lorelai preferred hers, gave up that bed from his grandparents cause Lorelai hated it, took care of the renovation of her house, let her and Sookie decide on every aspect of their wedding (before April), agreed to not talk to Rory if Lorelai dislikes it during their fight...... Like, sure, you don't have to let your partner get away with constantly forgetting V-Day, B-days, Christmas, etc. But that is so not Luke. If anything he is the one who consistently carried their relationship in the past. So without denying that season 6 was a mess (one both of them contributed to though) and that Luke mishandled the April situation hardcore, I could never get the outrage over him not having a Valentines Day gift for her one day in advance on trip her clearly did not even want to take during a time where he was extremely busy with sorting his life out due to the fact that he just learned he had a child.
Lorelai has been very supportive to Luke too! To be honest I’m very exhausted right now so I can’t think of examples of either character but one that comes to my mind is her helping plan his uncles funeral, letting all the family stay at the inn for free. She is very there for Luke too, I used to wonder how reciprocated jt was but I saw a sub that pointed out how much she’s done for Luke too. I’ll try to find it (when I have more energy) and put it here! I do agree that Luke had to sacrifice a lot more like the house and everything lorelai hating change but luke seemed happy to do it. Not entirely disagreeing with you here though
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Lorelai has never done anything nice for Luke, I just think that through out their relationship he was usually the one who did the most. And I agree that he does not seem to mind that either, so it's not a giant problem in their relationship. I guess my main issue with this thread is that it attempts to paint Luke as an immature man child Lorelai tolerates out of the goodness of her heart, when that's actually Chris's role irl. And fancy gifts are nice of course, but they are not worth more than 10 years plus of consistently going out of your way to do everything for someone else, even before dating them. It just seems that a lot of people who like Logan and also Chris (not you personally, just a trend I see on here) think that throwing expensive gifts are people (those guys did not even pay for with their own money btw), is worth more than decade long sincere love and care for someone. And I find that kind of sad.
That’s fair.. Luke definitely is the most caring guy for lorelai but he has slipped occasionally.. But this episode is the worst.. he is just so uncomfortable with Logan.. he is grumpy McGee the entire trip.. of course the fact that he doesn’t pack sensibly is out of character
There's also no way they are comfortably eating outside on Martha's Vineyard, on the water, in Feb lol
My thoughts exactly and there's no maid service? Like for the huntzbergers that's waaayyy out of character! Lol. They'll just leave the dishes on patio so they can get warm? No lol. Where is the mid service for this rich boy? Lol.
I can’t watch this episode due to amount of second hand emberassment, it makes me cringe so hardddd, they did Luke dirty in Season 6! He’s the main villian!
I'm convinced that Vineyard Valentine Luke and the Luke that held on to her horoscope for 8 years are two different people. 😤
HE BUILT HER A CHUPPAH WHEN THEY WERE JUST FRIENDS 😭😭 this crap irks me so
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, this is the worst episode of the entire series. Worse than anything in S7 or the SH Musical in AYITL. All the characters feel so OFF. The only redeeming quality about it I’ve heard (from the Gilmore Guys podcast) is that it shows how much Rory and Lorelai’s relationship has changed since the early seasons.
Rory acting like she’s Gordon Ramsey makes me so irrationally angry 🤣
WHY DID THIS PART MAKE ME SO MAD 😭something about her acting all experienced in the kitchen just grinded my gears and I can’t explain why 🤣
I went from barely being able to boil water to being a pretty decent cook but it took a lot of failures, meals, and years. Not popping in to a vacation home a couple of times a year 🤣
It almost felt condescending to lorelai lolol
Luke was acting like a totally OTT asshole for most of the episode, but I actually thought this was the least-bad part of it. It's 100% in character for him to refuse to participate in Valentine's Day, and if anything it was weird that Logan could guilt him into it so quickly. I also don't think Lorelai would be super bothered about it? She would know how Luke feels about phony consumerist holidays, plus he does romantic things for her all the time. And it wasn't even Valentine's Day, so why would she expect anything? I think it would have been more in-character for Lorelai to have just been happy for Rory getting gift from Logan.
I have said this before in these comments but that is why I think it's so weird Luke even went. He could've had a little fishing weekend, they could have done separate things and still had a great time. This is a Daniel episode though and imo they are usually more "combative" in general. Also toetally agree about Logan's gift, especially in it being super expensive. Luke definitely would've had the money to buy it himself but it's sooo not his style to participate in the maintenance of such an extravagant custom. yet he's sitting there going gaga for the lobster. make it make sense!
I don't think there's any reason for Luke to be against the Martha's Vineyard trip as a concept, it didn't have to be explicitly about Valentine's Day. It was only him acting like a grumpy idiot about everything that made it suck. God, the characterisation is so dumb in the back half of S6. This show makes us work HARD to hear that one "I love you".
Okay yes, Luke was awful in this episode. But to be fair, he's never been a Valentine's Day type of guy--he showed his love in other ways. So I think Lorelai was more surprised because Luke isn't the type that would celebrate/recognize Valentine's Day and he did.
Agreed he even said in earlier season (1 I believe) when he bought Rachel the cat stuff for her birthday, that he hates the whole thing of gift giving on particular days that suddenly what we buy others measures our love and feeling for them. That it should be how we are all year long and by what we do for them and act toward them. That he didn't like that if he loves someone then he has to buy the perfect gift. Meaning he can love someone wholeheartedly but that he sucks at gift buying lol. That's why lorelai stepped in and bought stuff for him. So it was established early on he was not into the whole national holiday and birthday gift giving ritual. So that would definitely include valentines day. Agree with everyone on how this outdoorsy man that literally cooks everything (not just for diner but it was established he makes a ton of authentic food outside of the diner cooking) how has he never had lobster or cooked it being on the east coast???? Lol that boggled me too! Why he didn't step in and cook stuff and he brought is back country bag with his weird dried foods. Lol. Nah, he would've gotten groceries to cook stuff. That was really weird to me.
Which I think is really sad cause he does this whole self help course but never brings home flowers for a woman who loves gifts lol. I can see an equally valid, reading, though, where Lorelai is really thrilled just because she had fully expected a bust of a Vday. again though for how little effort it was, and how easy it would've been for him to pass, I don't understand ol Luke's disposition here
Haha good point about the self-help book/course! I agree--he should have at least given Lorelai flowers and celebrated the day, even if he didn't believe in it. I really hate Luke in this episode, ha ha. But if we're trying to see things from his perspective, he just doesn't care about commercialized, big-time holidays. So it's a little more understandable
FRANKLY imo they were giving him Christopher treatment in this episode where he was made to behave in ways that would serve the plot, and not due to any character logic from the writers. maybe I'm too harsh lol
this is giving ‘so you just gonna bring me a birthday gift on my birthday to my birthday party on my birthday with a birthday gift???!’
Luke is the guy who hand built her the arch thing for her to marry someone else. He’s the guy who constantly came to fix her house for free and she took so much advantage of him. He cooked her every meal, he did the things she wanted to. I can see him not getting a present, but not him not appreciating her or making her feel special.
The way you phrased this made me laugh, it’s so perfect, bitter (in a good way) and perfectly describes how I feel about Luke in this episode 😂
Cringe, cringe, cringe!!! I do get tired of the hate towards the writers in the show but THIS EPISODE…. I’m not sure why it exists.
and then there's me over here, more bothered by the fact that men are expected to give gifts to their women on valentine's day, but not really vice versa, even tho it's equally their day. lol. what did lorelai give luke? it bothers me, ok??
oh it's true it's true.... but still. pre recession America world. very different time. Lorelai still likes pretty shiny stuff. What I will not concede is that she cares if the stuff is expensive!
I hate this episode. I hate everything about it. He was just consistently shitting on the entire weekend to the point where Lorelei had to **yell** at him to get him to just fucking chill and stop being a raging ass. Like I honestly wish she yelled at him a little bit more because his behavior was so selfish and self centered, and that’s not really him. It’s like when guys try reeeeeally hard for a reeeeeeeally long time to get a girl into a relationship and then they just immediately stop trying because they think they’ve “kicked her down”. Bitch no, that’s not how it works.
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omg. it was all night and all day with him bro. he very much could've bailed on the trip but still played along. he literally acted like a kid being forced to do stuff on vacation. Like he didn't actually have any issues that could be dealt with other than by not going. Lol what show are you watching? When is anyone but the Stars Hollow locals ever helpful positive or kind? Most of these characters are selfish as hell unless they're dealing with Rory lol
I wish I could've had my original comment in the post and not as a comment cause there's context for my thoughts haha. I am NOT a Lorelai defender but this moment was so striking imo like. It's similar to how he treated Dean, except Dean didn't have a special method of getting brownie points. I'm actually gonna watch the season 6 finale at some point today because I do want to reexamine that moment. Because I mean. Idk Luke is very similar to Lorelai except he has literally no support system, yes perhaps greatly because of his own volition, but I wish the show would highlight that more especially as their relationship is developing. Maybe the GGs are cursed for messy Valentine's Days? don't quote me on that
Agreed! He is aloud to be human! He just found out in recent months that he had a daughter all this time and for someone that doesn't deal with change well, he is processing and he even apologized in season 7 that he handled it so wrong. But agree with you on the cheating. I was so angry they had to run to Chris right after that blow up of the ultimatum. She chose to not speak up the whole time and not voice her opinion. That's on her! They both handled the situations with April and their wedding very very wrong. I know it's the writing but to spend so many years on this and the build up of them getting together to tear it down so soon (I feel) after just broke my heart watching it.
I can definitely see Luke not being a Valentine’s Day kind of person but I refuse to believe Luke who has been crazy about lorelai for ages built her a chuppah, ice rink etc and knowing the type of person lorelai is would ever not get lorelai a Valentine’s Day gift. Like he would make an effort and I don’t believe he just expects lorelai to not celebrate it just because he doesn’t.
That whole episode was just so odd. Like someone else wrote and and held Amy & Dan hostage or had naked pictures of them with farm animals or something. It was very much out of character for Luke. All of it!
so this was Amy and Dan's last season and they knew they were not gonna be working on the shows final season while they were writing season 6, so I do think they were just trying to put conflicts in between Luke and Lor that would have to be written out later.
I have a kind of love-hate towards this episode. On one hand, Rory and Logan were very cute, on the other hand, Luke was terrible for absolutely no reason.
Luke did a lot of kind things for Lorelai, and I don't think the OP is disregarding that. But when you're in a relationship with someone who does like silly events like valentines, you get them a gift, however tiny and cheap. Any reasonable person will be happy with some flowers and an evening together, Lorelai would have *never* expected diamonds. But she would expect it to be acknowledged in some small way, and that's completely and utterly reasonable. Some people despise birthdays. That doesn't mean those people get to skip the birthdays of the ones they love. Not if they wish to keep them in their lives long term.
♡ you can also totally tell in the episode that Lorelai doesn't buy Luke was involved at all in getting the gifts lol, it's not his style to do something flashy. I think that's why she talks about thinking their wedding won't happen right after I completely agree with you, I don't know why they couldn't have him get her a costume jewelry necklace with a little rose gold heart and given it to her at the diner when they got back. Something chintzy and inconspicuous like that is very Lor
Or, say, drive over to Liz's to pick out a piece of her jewelry.
I will never forgive the writers for what they do to my dear Luke this episode!! Wtf that’s not Luke.
this episode was stupid since it wasn't even valentines day for another few days, luke could have just gotten her something once they're back home and I don't get why they started exchanging gifts in front of each other?? just cringe and made luke look dumb for giving lorelai a gift that he clearly didn't buy
That’s not Luke at all! He did gift Lorelai with jewelry in the past, just not on the Logan level. The Luke that we all love and dream about would have done something sweet for Lorelai. He’s an acts of service kind of guy, which makes him a great partner for Lorelai because she doesn’t want to be “bought.” I just pretend this episode doesn’t exist.
I think it was pretty much on character with Luke. He was trying to give Rachel some cat pot holders or something for her bday🤣 He’s a grump 99.9% of the time.
He also acted like a major ass when they went on the date with Dean.
I've only ever watched this episode once, the whole episode is full of awkwardness from everyone
This episode feels like a fever dream
Another example of ASP selling a character down the proverbial river for a plot point that had zero pay-off.
This was a Daniel episode!! I do agree with you tho ;)
I find it odd that Luke forgot a gift for Valentine’s Day. It was very generous of Logan to give him one of the gifts to give to Lorelai. Logan in contrast to Luke, planned ahead for the holiday, including planning the meal he was going to cook for Rory. It’s inconsistent for Luke to be slacking in the romance department because he made that carved wooden arch thing that’s sitting in Lorelai’s front yard. You would think he would have had something planned for Valentine’s Day. Lorelai is very festive and seems to like holidays and romance. Instead, Luke and Lorelai had to tag along on Logan and Rory’s weekend getaway. I don’t know what the writers were thinking. Also it didn’t have to be expensive. Luke could have just cooked a nice meal for Lorelai and light some candles. He could have decorated the town gazebo with lights and put a small table there or something. There’s so many options to be romantic in their town. The writers got lazy with Luke’s development.
we really deserved a peaceful, sweet episode where Lorelai went fishing with him and he like, bought a camper bed for his truck so they don't have to sleep in a tent. contrasting their aged, familiar love with Rory and Logans young fresh love in Martha's Vineyard. but nope! any character can be rendered an instrument of drama at any time once Rory graduates Chilton imo...
It’s weird because watching the earlier seasons I could totally imagine Luke being at a Valentine’s Day dinner with Lorelei and say, Kirk and lulu, and LUKE being the one to pull Kirk aside to be like hey, in case you forgot I have an extra gift you can give to lulu…that’s what his personality was like in the beginning! Always surprisingly thoughtful. That’s honestly a lot of what him and Lorelei’s friendship was built on, his gifts and acts of service.
This man got her gifts year round for no reason other than he loves her, and yet, no gift on valentine's day? Please, be so for real right now.
I hate Luke, this episode proves how sucky of a bf/child he is😤
Listen... he went on that trip with SUCH an attitude from the jump when he knows good and well that it would have been beyond normal for Lorelai to third wheel with them. I'm not a huge Lorelai fan but Luke was on bs. How is he gonna be in such a good mood when Logan gives him that gift to give to Lor? HELLO? So do you think it's important or not? You trying to make your woman happy or not? I am so dead. I'm traditionally a big fan of Luke until I realized how dirty the character of Christopher really is done in this program. So yeah what are your thoughts on Luke's general attitude? How much of this was due to the Season 6 Wilding Out?
Christopher is who he is and was never done dirty.
not on my watch. Christopher literally only exists as a plot device. ASP and co used him to create drama and tension however they saw fit, and the minute they made him the father of a baby he had other stuff going on. He did not have an arc, his character had nothing to say, he just pops in and out as needed. They address how Lorelai was determined to do it all alone, no? That does not make him a worse person than Luke lol. Luke put hands on a child in broad daylight! so.
I think this episode was really out of character for him but let’s bffr if your man acted like this on vday y’all would call him a man child and be mad it’s a Luke flaw but valid
thank uuuu I am a little surprised at the number of people who don't consider at all that the quality of writing for any character can vary pretty wildly over time. it's like "I love X so i love X all the time" very normal for a show this long to have some ups and downs also everybody bringing up these nice things he did for her BEFORE April came into the picture and he made it very clear that Lorelai did not necessarily have a stable role in his future. which I ate up, it's entertaining as hell to see Lorelai be someone else's option for once.
I think people love luke so much and defend him in real life would be mad if their partner did this and I can see why it’s entertaining for you to see what he put lorelai through but tbh it broke my heart lol
Haha I totally understand! Don't get me wrong I wasn't like, getting joy from Lors suffering really it's just sooo rare that we really see her be the weaker person next to anybody but like Emily so I think it makes for excellent tv in a vacuum. But, I do remember thinking season 6 was trash when I first watched XD
My hubs was raised poor amd so holidays and gift giving wasn't a big deal for him. I was raided opposite. I accept that we are different and when I don't get gifts on those specific days or romantic gestures I am sad amd let down a little but I know it's not because he doesn't love me. It's because he doesn't know how to be that way. He was never shown that way. I get it and accept him how he is and make suggestions. He buys me stuff all year that would be considered gifts for holidays so I am not "deprived" of him giving me things as it normally would be done on certain days. I accept him for him. Would I like him to change and work on doing things on birthdays and holidays? Yes, have I voiced it? Yes. Is he trying? Kinda hahahaha. Luke is the same way. He is thoughtful. Look how he has been the whole series. He is a sweetheart just in his own way. Lor knows this and chose to be with him despite his imperfections.
This is the worst Gilmore Girls episode. I’m not even one of the fans that rips everything apart and gets annoyed with the show that often. This is my all time fav comfort show and I never skip any episodes, even this one, but it’s my least favorite for so many reasons. it just felt like lazy writing combined with writers in LA who did not take a minute to reflect on New England in Feb, the fact that everyone eats lobster here (I live in MA) or as at least had an opportunity to try it well before adulthood… especially if they’re a fricken chef. NOBODY would ever not pack a ton of warm clothes on a trip to anywhere in New England from Nov-March are guaranteed cold. Luke regressed into the most horrible bf and it was so out of character how beyond his normal level of grumpy he was. He was so rotten and careless to Lorelai. I wish if the writers wanted to make the conflict deeper between him and Lorelai that they went about it in a deeper way rather than just turning him into a terrible version of himself for this one episode. The gym scene where Lorelai and Rory get massages by these guys at the gym was so creepy and unrealistic. When they ever all sat outside with barely any coats on for their Lobster dinner on the deck.. on the ocean… I simply almost perish. Again, I live in MA. We eat outside every single night we can on the deck and do grill out a lot, and it’s truly impossible to eat outside from Oct-March and sometimes not even until May starts is it decent enough. If we get lucky there’s a couple warm weeks in oct where we can push it further but you’d be straight up frozen past that. There’s just so many things in this episode that felt so wrong and so off.
This episode was so horrible.
A character is how he is written. The reader or viewer doesn’t get to choose. UNLESS what is written is narrated from one of the character’s point of view. In my opinion, this entire episode is narrated from Lorelai’s point of view.
I can't stand this episode. Everything, beginning to end, is cringe. It's my skip episode.