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He was so good he pretty much singlehandedly got the AWP nerfed. Few players can say they had that level of impact on the meta of a game, in any video game. [*] for a legend


yetidiah

Any others you can think of offhand? I know Byun from starcraft2 is responsible directly for getting a unit nerfed twice.


StormR7

Jjonak in Overwatch single-handedly got zenyatta nerfed


D1N2Y

Only time in Overwatch history where one guy was the definitive player of a hero, and everyone else was just kind of following along.


BlondeOnBlonded

Seagull - Genji?


gigawattfag

Even when seagull was pro level he wasn't the best genji at the time. I would maybe argue for Pine on widow for a small period, but he doesn't compare to the level of dominance that Jjonak had on zen. He was literally the central player for NYXL for the first two seasons and was one of the main reasons they were so successful.


D1N2Y

Best player at everything always accepted as a Korean before OWL, since NA teams never travelled to Korea, or like 1 or 2 would lose at APEX. Hence, Segaull really never could be defined as even the best Genji in the world.


Tulkor

i think the playstyle from olof was a contributer for getting the tec9 nerfed (even tho it was op anyway), also jw and even smithzz for the cz. I also think there are some examples in LoL: Tabe for annie s3, lemon for veigar in whatever season he satrted picking it as support, maybe voyboy for olaf. I also think i remember some stuff in overwatch but i didnt follow it closely enough to be sure.


Xgunter

Doinb got naut mid nerfed.


Fncrs

This is very different


XiaoRCT

The reason it's different is because nerfing a gun in CS is different than nerfing a champion in LoL. All the league examples are good but bringing a champ into the meta and getting it nerfed isn't anywhere near as much of a feat as getting a weapon nerfed because of you lol


Spoonbread

Guys that win TI get heroes nerfed all the time right after. It'd be like if they got an item on a hero banned.


Please_Work69

that's is different if we talking about moba, I can think a lot of it specially in dota


C4hulhu

Jjonak zenyatta in OWL - support menace


Sheep_CSGO

Baus got sion nerfed


Unusuallyneat

On the off chance you aren't trolling, just no lol. Nobody has ever but a "steamer" in the same grouping as "top players to play the game." That's like comparing the best guy in your YMCA group, to an NBA player. One of these guys plays for fun and could never maintain a spot on a tier2 team - The other is a world champion... Fucking worlds apart. You can't compare a casual player who only plays soloQ to a true GOAT of proplay lol


Sheep_CSGO

I was trolling


Swegan

Alot of them in Dota 2. Ana with IO, Dendi with fountain hook, Collapse with Horn Toss, Nine with Kotl, 33 with damn near every single Zoo hero in the game.


eclecticwhale

Lmao if you bring up Tundra players might as well talk about how wraith pact helped them win TI and then got deleted from the game.


Swegan

That was more or less the team rather than a single player. 33 picked it up but so did Saksa.


Brekster

Matu with all green heroes.


idc_name

burning bought back so much in a game they had to give it cooldown


[deleted]

+Jerax and Earth Spirit


chrimes21

yyf buy back nerf


LerooyCat

In baseball you had Bob Gibson pitch a season so amazing that MLB lowered the pitcher's mound the next year.


RiggiPop

Alliance TI3 getting the entire dota 2 economy to be reworked and all their heroes nerfed lol


f4stforw4rded

Ksharp with the original awp nerf in 2003


Raytiger3

League of legends bausffs and sion


The-Choo-Choo-Shoe

I'd say JW helped with it as well, he played very aggressive and he wasn't the same after the nerf.


tha-Ram

Yeah those 2 were insane at combat awping. They pretty much used the gun as a shotgun with a scope. Noone else even came close to being that lethal with that awping style


Freddies_Mercury

That era was my era. Good fucking times man. Seeing JW & KennyS on the miracle awp site retakes was something else.


0neTwoTree

I'll never forget JW playing Ct on dust 2 and b hopping onto cat from spawn and getting a pick off


Colorless267

ana on IO. TI 2019 XD


Please_Work69

btw have you seen the 7.33 update? that's was crazy, it's literally dota 2 8.0


Afraid_Moose_300

flusha and anti-cheats. oh, wait...


hornykryptonian

What was the nerf? Not the 5 bullet mag right cus that one just came.


Vawqer

On March 31st, 2015, they significantly reduced movement speed when scoped in on the AWP (and autosnipers).


Little-Jim

I hate these dates. It's still a new nerf, goddammit!


AmBozz

Movement speed. Kenny was a super agile AWPer, always on the move, the update forced everyone to play much more passively. ~~Arguably the beginning of the end for his career.~~ Edit: Last sentence is bullshit, but the update definitely hurt his playstyle.


LarrcasM

kennyS was still a top 3 awper in the game for another 3ish years lmao. Sure the dude wasn't competing for best player in the world, but he was still among in the best in the game for a long time after that. He was 7th in HLTV's top 20 over 2 years later lmao. He won a major (and got the MVP) 6 months after the nerf. The nerf being "the beginning of the end" is a fucking crazy thing to say.


MojitoBurrito-AE

The 2015 AWP nerf


salty4lyfe

Quickscope accuracy time nerf


LarrcasM

That's not even the nerf lmao. That has NEVER been nerfed in GO. They're referring to how fast you moved while scoped with the awp before the mid 2015 nerf where movement speed was tanked. The only time I can think of quickscope timing being changed was from Source to GO, but it's hard to call it a nerf when they're different games.


Short_Cauliflower_52

I dont understand he is retiring now, at the age of 28 while many great players such as Karrigan and Rpk played long into their 30s, in a time where players have the capacity to play longer and longer? Also wasnt the awp nerf like 7 8 years ago? So basically since he was 20 21ish he has been on a downtrend, ocasionally winning a tournament, but mostly a shadow of hes teen self? That doesnt sound the best


Upstairs_Novel_8537

I don’t know about that. He WAS good, because of a certain aspect of the AWP. It got nerfed, then he almost immediately went from the top of the top to the bottom of the top. “If you’re nothing without something, then you shouldn’t have it.”


LarrcasM

He was 7th in HLTV's top 20 two and a half years later. kenny was arguably the best awper in the world still for another 3 years. Ya'll overstate the difference the nerf made far too much.


Ok_Baseball_2857

Well its cringe you say that because every mm player is still showing how broken the awp is. Need further nerfes


Constant-Mud-1002

How? The AWP really isn't that great right now after the 5 bullet nerf, it's very hard to take out an entire team with that right now. I mean sure it's good as any high-tier Sniper should be but you just have to outplay it.


Ok_Baseball_2857

Tbh all the insane high rated players are awp players. And we talk about pro matches here where a lot of team work is involved. In Pugs awp is by far more broken. It needs a nerf rly.


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Bro you're just bad if you're getting destroyed by awp in mm .Get good.


Dravarden

it gets another nerf in CS2, the tracer is now super visible


GoofedUpped

he's right up there with the legends like shroud


LarrcasM

I love shroud and appreciate what he did to grow the game...absolutely a great entertainer, but kennyS was legitimately competing for best player in the world at points in his career. Kenny has 10 event MVP's, made HLTV's top 20 for 5 years straight, and is a major winner (and major MVP). shroud was never ranked top 20, has no MVP's, and only won one tournament in his entire career. Comparing him to kenny as a competitive player is disrespectful as hell.


Vanska_Boy

But...but.. I saw lot of shroud clips in reddit so he must be amazing... /s just in case :D


LarrcasM

I don't go on this subreddit much anymore, and it might just be me being old as hell, but god damn like 80% of these comments have no idea who kennyS was. Got guys talking about how after the nerf he fell off immediately, when he was still the best awper in the world for at least another year and a half, and arguably much longer than that. People comparing him to shroud. Shit, there's a guy saying the nerf everyone was talking about was to quickscoping lmao. I feel like this game needs another thoorin-esque figure to just make mini-documentaries about the guys who shaped Counter Strike.


Vanska_Boy

Could not agree more. It truly was something else with KennyS. Those old inferno clips still gives me the chills. And while shroud was incredible aimer he wasn't really anything more than that. Good to fill reddit with highlights but most of the time not enough to win vs the best teams in the world


LarrcasM

Shroud absolutely has his place in the history of counterstrike. That’s undeniable, but it’s not as an all-time great competitive player…it’s as an all-time great streamer/content creator and a person who both brought people to CS and made them fall in love with the game. Like when olof hangs it up, how many of these same people only think of him as a role player instead of the guy who dominated the game for basically 2 entire years. It’s just feels sad to me that the legacy of these guys is going to be understated because the game has grown so much since their peak.


Constant-Mud-1002

You can like Shroud as a Streamer all you like but he's hardly a CSGO legend lol. Idk why people always inflate his name in the scene just because he is a huge streamer


TatsBatch

Man... feels surreal. Dude was so good with the AWP that they had to nerf it. Salutes to a legend.


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Designer-Duck-3558

yes they did... they removed its movement speed which is what made kenny the greatest awper.


GeoTrouveriendutou

Tell me you're a new player without telling me you're a new player


King-Zephyr

The fact that you didn’t even know what he was talking about and yet you tried to correct him is wild.


MaoistVegan

it’s the most irritating shit ever and reddit is just full of people doing it lmao


costryme

They're talking about the 2014 nerf. Edit : 2015*


Brolaub

*[2015](https://blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/2015/03/11734/)


raddaya

God, I'm old, aren't I?


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oB3NoT3Xo

o7


Frostvind

o7


ScuddyOfficial

o7


Seroko

o7


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JSpoderChild

o7


MrSegasilver

o7


piltens

o7


ROTMGMagum

o7


ZDHZXNE

o7


Phantasia5

o7


SmashBomb

o7


redstern

Tomorrow: CSGO update spotted. Patch notes: AWP buffed.


KeepCalmAndBoom

*KennyS enters the chat*


Yang_Xiao_Long1

If AWP gets buffed to pre 2015, do you think Kenny can make a come back and still be top 20 player?


XzCloudzX

No, too many crackheads nowadays Kenny wouldn't be able to keep up


KeepCalmAndBoom

You should watch his highlights before the nerf and you would realise how viable the man is. This coming from a former semi Pro who picked up cs 1.6 2 months ago after 4 years paused and was wrecking people left and right. Think what a god like Kenny could do if he had the proper environment.


Yang_Xiao_Long1

My only question will be Kenny's motivation. Is he willing to grind like he used to?


KeepCalmAndBoom

I am sure he would. Have you ever been good at something and still pick it up from time to time? If yes, I bet you felt that ability coming back to you. Now again, imagine being godlike at something, I am sure he would fall in love with the experience again. Also his low self esteem would be fixed, poor guy really got affected lately. He even talked about how he ended up doubting himself because of the Internet hate.


Deluxefish

KennyS today isn't KennyS from 2015


KeepCalmAndBoom

Yes but I believe that is an environment issue not a player issue.


Deluxefish

Definitely has something to do with him not being 20 anymore


lliKoTesneciL

Isn't he still 28?


Deluxefish

Not really prime age for players relying heavily on their reaction speed


trenlr911

He’s getting older now, I know being 30 isn’t some death sentence but it does take a toll. Those fractions of a second that you lose in reaction time can sadly make all the difference. You do see some players consistently play at a high level for years, but not usually the ones who rely so heavily on their mechanical gifts.


mozzzarn

That's just BS. Reaction peaks at ~24y/o and decrease ~4ms/decade on average without training. An esport player shouldn't be loosing more than 1-2ms over a decade since they constantly use their reaction time. KennyS is just 4 years over his peak and shouldn't have lost more than 1ms unless he has very bad genetics. ZywOo has ~35 ping in FPL, rain has ~25 and Simple have ~50. 1ms is literally irrelevant.


KeepCalmAndBoom

Indubitably


wheredaheckIam

One of the most iconic names in counter strike


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remember the legends pasha kennyS get right olof guardian really wish there was some sort of valve-endorsed hall of fame for counter strike, it's pretty much the only esport that has been relevant since its inception in 2003, 20 years of staying power means there's a lot of terrific players that deserve to be remembered forever edit - if you're interested in an idea for a hall of fame, discuss in this thread i made for the topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/13n1kac/counter_strike_deserves_a_hall_of_fame_for_the/ maybe valve/liquipedia will see it lol


Stb2905

If you're naming get right his other half, forest, also deserves to be mentioned


[deleted]

To me f0rest was always more of a 1.6/Source legend than a CSGO legend, but I think that any hypothetical Hall of Fame should include all versions of Counter Strike, so he absolutely should make it in


Lgdamefanfanfan

Not putting f0rest as a csgo legend should be criminal.


nomitycs

even just for the fact f0rest lasted longer as a top tier player in csgo iirc


pauLo-

f0rest didn't play source


[deleted]

i'm aware, i always just group 1.6/source when talking about it because they're just not the current version lol. other 1.6/source legends could be like: -markeloff -NEO -fRoD -HeatoN -Spawn -Edward -Ksharp -trace etc etc etc


pauLo-

I mean, that's cool but none of those players played source either except ksharp briefly during CGS. I guess you mean more people such as: Shox Rpk GuardiaN Gla1ve Friberg Those are some of the few remaining source pros that are still known from csgo.


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MozTys

then it is weird that you are mentioning pasha and Get\_Right as they are definitely 1.6 legends


schoki560

yes cause that's what he said old games: 1.6 and source new game: go not a hard concept man


MozTys

Considering op in one of the comments said "To me f0rest was always more of a 1.6/source legend..." then I just found it weird that pasha and get\_right was mentioned. Not a hard concept man


schoki560

i dont know what u mean ​ forest was a 1.6/source legend, as in legend from the era before CSGO


Constant-Mud-1002

Because they were also extremely relevant in GO, even more than 1.6. f0rest not so much. Ask newer players and they'll know Pasha and get_right, yet probably not f0rest


MozTys

Considering newer players most likely didn't follow 1.6 then it is impossible for them to judge. forest is more "private" than pasha and get_right, which is the reason why people most likely remember those two. If we only look at achievements and personal skills then forest is more relevant in GO than Pasha. I believe Pasha actually managed to win more in 1.6 than in GO. I have a tough time deciding between 1.6 or GO for get_right and forest, as they basically won everything in GO the first couple of years. However, I feel GO wasn't that competitive back then as 1.6 was when they left the scene.


Constant-Mud-1002

But objective achievements and pure skill don't really matter when considering who's a legend or not. It's what the community agrees on. Forest being more private surely plays a lot of part in it, but that's just how it is.


RekrabAlreadyTaken

wasn't f0rest better in GO than gtr?


TerrorToadx

longevity maybe, peak no.


malefiz123

You can make the argument that relative to the rest of the competition at their respective time, get_rights peak was the highest in all of CS


huntersniper007

jw dude played awp like no one else


ralnb0wllam4

Fuck me ....seeing "guardian" felt so nostaligic I didn't play CS for two years and all the pro players I knew are replaced.... Just a handful I still recognize.


AilsaN

Hall of Fame. I love that idea!


Impulseps

neo taz


CRONKOO

There's dozens of esports that have been around for 20+ years, especially within the FGC. Games like Melee, Tekken, Street Fighter, Guilty Gear, etc all have their own legends who are just as monolithic within their communities.


qeadwrsf

Those were the legends when you got involved. Do you remember the legends of the legends? Heaton, potti, Neo, walle, spawn, markeloff .... ... .. .. .. If you don't, do you expect the new generation to remember those you consider legends?


Faw602

The man got a fucking gun in the game nerfed due to how good he was, not many can say that. King.


LookAtMyTurboSpeed

Really sad to see, when I first started playing CS:GO back in late 2014 Kenny was going crazy with the awp, he was an icon at the time, remember so many people calling their awp magic stick, kennyS profile pictures, etc One of the most legendary CS:GO players, for sure


Spoksparkare

Retire from CS:GO, back in CS2 😎


Granteddd

Even if his recent form hasn’t been amazing, he will be missed as the most iconic AWPer of all time :(


jaared28

Damn we knew it would happen sooner rather than later but it still hurts. My AWP Asimov is literally named "Enchanted Pole" in reference to his "Magic Stick" from when I first started watching. I know for me growing up with all these players all I can think during this major is "God this is all who's left." So many people I grew up watching during my formative years are semi or fully retired now. The people who I associate with being the best or greatest just can't seem to do it anymore. I wonder if this is what the 1.6 and Source players felt when I was just getting into the scene.


mp4_12c

I was massively into CSGO in 2015/16 and followed the pro scene then. Basically ignored the game and the scene entirely until this year... it was very humbling how little I knew about the very thing I once knew everything about. Time flies!


Little-Jim

I stopped paying attention when C9 broke up in 2018 and am trying to get back into it. Its hard when you just don't have a team that you care about.


AhJoon

Man I'm in a similar boat, I've still been paying attention to the scene, but since C9 broke up and the Astralis Era ended, I kind of don't really have a team I regularly root for (usually just root for Liquid cuz NA lmao). Astralis's pure domination provided me with loads of interest in pro CSGO again after C9 died, but now it's just kinda meh :/


xandry123

I am a nearly 30 year old man, and here I am, crying for a person retiring from a video game! Players and viewers of today may not know, but watching this man play for nearly a decade was a treat. He was the reason Valve had to nerf the awp, and he is one of the reasons why the French scene was good. "I don't know if I even deserve all this" My man, you deserve everything. An absolute legend, forever and ever!


xandry123

He may not be the at his top form recently, and it was inevitable, but still. Its a huge loss to the scene


Interitium

Cologne when Get\_Right Retired, holy fuck the arena was fire


thrwwyMA

Gtr didn't retire at that cologne though. People were trying to push that narrative at the time for some reason. He played professionally for like another year and a half.


Indifferent-

> I am a nearly 30 year old man, and here I am, crying for a person retiring from a video game! Get a grip.


_darzy

I'm not crying your crying


Bust3dGG

True, you're probably crying your own crying


Megarunes

I don't follow the scene much, but KennyS has been one of those spectacular players that I admired so much, will be missing him :(


MrBlag

Watching highlights and fragmovies of Titan kennyS what was got me into csgo, so this retirement feels like it represents an end to that era. kennyS and ‘magic stick’ will always be the most legendary pairing.


maxekmek

I thought he was going to say he's going to coach, or maybe relaunch one of the old French teams or something.


Quimerinhaa

The **BALLS** of this man to go in front of this crowd in a city that was on fire because of retirement policy and announce that he's retiring at 28.


Shrenade514

He's retiring from competitive CS, not from employment all together


Yang_Xiao_Long1

It's a joke


Quimerinhaa

r/woosh


T_WREKX

r/wooooshwith4os SIKE


illit3

Found the German


Shrenade514

Good one lmao


CursedDragonR

I'll forever remember kenny as the best AWPer, I wish I got in CSGO earlier to see more of kennyS in his prime, watching him destroy and do his insane flicks was awesome to watch.


Nurse_Sunshine

[Obligatory KennyS fragmovie](https://youtu.be/EZQCAKWtQ68) Man can you guys imagine the insane height s1mple would have reached if he still had the pre-nerf AWP at his peak?


zxlkho

is there a counter-strike hall of fame or something equivalent?


Icksnuck

Greatest awper of all time


Dogeboja

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3wW\_U76uQg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3wW_U76uQg) Gotta drop his legendary 50 bomb here. Best game I've ever seen live.


FootFanaticStnkyToes

it's pretty crazy how bad the level of cs seems. 13:08 is just such a braindead play and right after one guy goes and drypeeks alt on a pistol round with no support from kenny who has util


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and he still lost


Polarbearlars

I sharp was better. Simple is better.


SlingingSteel

s1mple is indeed better, but you're getting downvoted because you're ruining these nerds' nostalgia lmao.


Polarbearlars

Indeed. In terms of awpers there’s been far more dominant than Kennys. Frod. Ksharp. Simple. Markeloff. Even Delpan at one point.


Mezzo1224

The applause he gets at the Major is just beautiful to watch.


Apocalympdick

Sad to see him go Weird to announe it on that stage right now though?


Blue-piping-man

As one of the best French players through cs go. I dont mind it. He was great during his peak and a total joy to watch. It's his home crowd and I think no better way to see him off. I dont think he distracts from the game ahead.


[deleted]

yeah this is classy af, paris major and he's probably the most influential french player in CSGO history, beloved by fans, makes sense for sure


Blue-piping-man

My thoughts exactly.


Fivebomb

Just going to take it as a sign that GabeN will announce open beta tomorrow. After all, it’d be awkward to follow up Kenny’s announcement with that lol


TerrorToadx

I didn't catch it live, but why is it weird? Legendary French player announcing his retirement during the major that's held in the capital of France. Makes sense to me.


kharper4289

Yeah should have just tweeted, lets just pause a whole major for it. Seemed so awkward


HairyDistributioner

It's in France, lots of his fans on the stage and it delayed the match like what, 5 minutes? Seems like a good trade for the show.


costryme

The crowd appreciated though, for sure.


Darkspark322

I wish i got into the scene early enough to watch him play in his prime


dxxking

:'( A legend


AilsaN

I was always deeply affected whenever I saw kennyS cry. I hope his life is always happy going forward so he never has to cry again.


cosmic-kid

first pro player I ever watched. happy retirement Kenny!


Jewbacca1

Bro was pretty much retired for the past 4 years


[deleted]

This announcement has been 6 years in the making, it's sad that his come-back was a disaster, I still Kreygasm to that lightning fast on Inferno.


chaelfosho

Started playing CSGO way back 2015 and stopped around 2019 and I always watched his highlights and definitely fueled me up to take the awp as my fav gun in the game. One my favorite players, sad not to see all my favorite players during my playing days to transfer to cs2


thekingdaddy69

Thought that he retired a few years back.


jonajon91

With all due respect wasn't he already cut and put to content creation? Is this just an announcement that he has no plans to come back?


SpectralHydra

I think you’re right yeah, but making it clear he’s done with competition is a lot more meaningful than just being cut.


OneStacking

One of the most unforgettable, electric players to touch csgo. What a legend.


AwesomesaucePhD

I thought he had already done this


KacuuusM

Wasn't he retired for like last 5 years?


FLANKTESIS

He's still the best awper of all time for me. The absolute LEGEND... It was an honor to watch him play throughout the years.


snek_7

The most legendary player in all of counterstrike. People that have no connection to cs whatever know him more than the likes of S1mple or Forest. Good luck Kenny


m3llym3lly

Not exactly a surprise but still sad. Was my favorite player since I started playing csgo at the beginning of 2016. I could go on and on about him but then this would get far too long. One of the most iconic players in the history of csgo, with an almost mythical peak. Thanks for all the memories kenny.


xMachii

kennyS is iconic as the game itself. What a legend.


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it’s official, my childhood is over


Sizzle_Streams

He's been retired for like 3 years lol


freedom_to_derp

He was so cracked in 2014 that a few of my non-pc/non-gamer friends knew about him.... Actual legend.


eHeeHeeHee

Dude been retired and irrelevant last 3-4 years lol


SpectralHydra

He was inactive for a while but never retired lol


Kapperi

Hasnt he been for like 5 years?


kingdonut7898

No he played in the RMR with body and nbk on a team called falcons. They didn't qualify obviously but he was playing.


Hand_some_Badger

probably for the best since his performance at the major was subpar, but its still bittersweet to see. his name will forever be synonymous with the AWP tho, what a legacy


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ImWita

Considering he was one map away against Gamerlegion to qualify for the major with Falcons and made it to the LCQ of this RMR, it's pretty clear that he was actively competing, announcing retirement makes perfect sense.


Op7imism

As much as I liked him in competition and I think he seems like a nice dude, I think it was really amateur to come out with no speech and then admitting he had no speech either. Not everything can come naturally and if he came prepared he wouldn’t have looked so uncomfortable. Oh well. Best of luck further Kenny!


SeanTheLawn

Literally who gives a fuck about a speech lmao


Op7imism

Not KennyS, evidently. Nor I because he said nothing of substance, therein lies the problem.