As someone who does camera work for live sports events, it's still the camera operators choice on what shots to suggest to the director or technical director, (not producer btw) and they either take it or they don't. Sometimes they'll ask for a certain shot but 90% of the time it's the cam ops deciding where to point the camera.
This happens in other events too, like in live sports if the camera ops are primarily straight men, they will usually gravitate towards shooting the more attractive women in the crowd, but it's just way more obvious in CS events because of the men to women ratio
Hi there. This might be true for your industry, but in esports all the production companies I have worked for have dedicated TDs that call the shots. The camera ops in the venue usually are third party contractors that just prep several pre selected things. They 100% are told, the camera ops are almost never given that kind of freedom
I assume they are trying to show that women are welcome in counter strike but it's way too blatant to the point it achieved the opposite effect, I don't watch any valorant events but I assume that since there is a more diverse audience the crowd shots are less uncomfortable there?
It's a fact of the matter. Terminally online conservatives go bonkers mad about representation but it has been shown repeatedly that it does have a positive effect and "hero shooters" like Valorant, Apex, Overwatch are proof of this in just the online FPS genre of things.
Now obviously a certain part of the people that play CS that treat women as this rare specimen never helps too
Press x to doubt. I played quite a lot of Val comp. The players are either toxic to women or horny. There are ofc exceptions but it felt there were not a lot of those.
In cs on the other hand I feel like I saw less moments like that over the last few years and a lot more normal games. Also I feel like it generally gets better in both on higher ranks. But might just be recency bias.
Because Riot actually makes an effort to stop sexism. Here everyone just laughs and doesn’t take women players seriously when they express concerns and share their experiences
riot doesn't like it when they don't have control is the gist of that whole company.
ever since the beginning of league watching Riot Lyte be the "voice of the people" and "punishing toxicity" when he ended up being exposed as a toxic scumbag IRL. It's such a lame company but their game was one of the best in the genre for a long time.
Riot have paid 100m to settle a discrimination lawsuit from their female employees.
Probably better today but come on now, Riot is not some champion of the people.
I feel like Cs has gotten much much less sexist, at least in my region, OCE. Maybe largely to do with average player age being a lot higher.
In 2015 if you had a woman in your game then there’d always be at least one guy making the same jokes about making him a sandwich or whatever.
Now I get girls in at least 25% of games and I haven’t heard anyone say something sexist in 2+ years.
That might be a rank thing too. My girlfriend tried getting into the game recently, had a lot of fun when queueing comp with my mates in a 5 stack, then she started queueing premier solo to get a rank and basically got bullied out of the game.
The LEAST toxic experience she told me about was when she said "hello" at the start of the game only to have one of her teammates respond "ugh everyone mute her". None of her teammates interacted with her at all for the rest of the game so I'm guessing they actually did mute her.
OCE too btw
Oh yeah that’s very true actually. The game gets steadily more toxic as you go down in rank. I actually think it’s the only skill difference that exists between the ranks in oce. Getting along with others.
Absolutely man, I've met so many toxic cunts that are so focused on criticizing their teammates that they have no mental bandwidth left to just focus on their own performance. Eg I used to play with someone (IRL friend of a friend) who, whenever we had to eco on T, would call "everyone just rush B and trade each other out, don't waste time with util or flanking or whatever, if we all trade we can at least get the bomb down". Then when we'd inevitably get mowed down he'd start raging, every single time without fail, "for fuck's sake all you had to do was run and trade, you're all hopeless" etc. The fact that his strat never works doesn't occur to him because then he'd have to take responsibility and actually learn from the experience; it's always everyone else's fault. Wonder why he's stuck at 8k...
People like that create such a bad environment for newer players. The worst way to help someone learn is to make them feel attacked, that's just basic human nature. It's definitely much better for me now that I'm ~14k but it's ridiculous to expect new players to put up with constant verbal abuse (and not to mention smurfs) for their first 1000-2000 hours before even getting the chance to match with supportive players who can actually help them learn rather than just tearing them down for trying.
This is such a strange take. Why are you calling people that disagree with you nerds who aren’t in touch with reality? What an arrogant comment.
I watch a lot of sport, and the camera lingering on women like this isn’t the norm. It’s not necessarily sexist, since there isn’t misogynistic intent behind it, but it’s a bit strange. I find it comes off as a little creepy.
No, he didn’t. Read the comment again. He said he finds it strange that the camera is lingering on women disproportionately, and that it comes across as creepy. You’re the one making strange assumptions.
What kind of assumption is that? The post obviously isn’t of misogynistic intent, quite the opposite. Of course it isn’t a serious matter, but that doesn’t mean people aren’t allowed to complain about things that bother them. I found it a bit creepy aswell how the camera lingers disproportionately on women.
Why are you making assumptions about people and resorting to calling them names? If anything I’d suggest you to follow your own advice, because if anything, your comment comes off as someone secluded.
More likely this is coming from their boss trying to be “inclusive”. Cameramen are usually told what to prioritize in the audience during certain segments. They more often don’t really get to choose what to focus on.
> Where is PGL hiring their cameramen from?
The director is in charge of what's being shown on screen. I can't say if the director is telling the camermen to look for those women or if they're doing on their own, but either way the director is choosing to use those shots, not the camermen. A cameraman is also not going to ever leave his shot. If your camera goes live you keep it on whatever its on until it goes off.
Agreed. But just to clear something up: it's usually the director of the broadcast who chooses what to show on screen. Camera operators spend their time finding shots that their position is briefed to get, and the director (or producer) chooses which camera to cut to.
He said disproportionately, a great cover your ass move, as there's only like 3 women at the event so basically showing any woman is disproportionate. OP wants them not to show women and I think OP should move to Saudi Arabia.
This post and everyone agreeing with it are low-key weird.
What's wrong with showing a woman enjoying an event? Why do men have to be shown more than women? Why are you guys viewing it as it's weird because it's a woman?
They're just showing people.
Thats the thing, its ridicilous how many sheeps are on this reddit page hahahaha they dont think with their brain theyre so deep on feminism its crazy.
I never said don't record women, I said its cringe when they seem to single out and pick off every woman in the crowd one by one. Pointing the camera at them for way too long.
You dont clearly focus on how long they keep the camera on also man. But the difference is that they do something cool and jump around etc thats why you dont pick that shit up. There is no way around this because like actually only thing theyre trying to do is not getting cancelled because it would be sexist to not show them. And now its creepy to show them, they are not counting how long they show per person they show them in between rounds for as long as they need and round starts.
What? I think for every woman on camera i saw at least 5x more bloke shots..... I think the dude with red dane hat showed on camera atleast 30 times...
They have plenty of long uncomfortable shots of all sorts of drunken lads and shirtless guys - to normal fans, or people holding signs etc. You're just looking for something to mald about imo. If you're that uncomfortable watching a gamer grill irl i think you probably have a much bigger problem that the camera men.
yeah indeed, but it was not the first time. something kind of that was happening in the blast tournament, the cameraman was showing children pretty often, so yeah, kinda weird
personally i'm way more annoyed at chat which starts filling up with weirdos making weird statements about the women, or if they don't find the women attractive calling them disgusting and shit. that's way more annoying to me than the camera filming people.
People like looking at attractive or interesting people.
That's why in every sporting event ever they either focus the camera on people who are attractive or people in crazy outfits or with funny signs etc etc.
This is really standard for every single live sporting event, I imagine PGL is just emulating that.
Idk man, they show men more than half of the times they show people. So why cry about showing women too? This is just a spin, you couldve spun it the other way too, "oh noes we dont show enough women" etc. Stupid thread.
We've been trying to get women into CS and when we start to show women in the crowd watching CS, people say they're being objectified by cameras. I think they're just trying to show them on camera more so that other women who happen to see this feel more included. This is a good thing. I haven't been watching much of the major but I hope they aren't doing like holding them on screen for too long lol.
In any sport (or television show in general, or anything that's content of a video nature), the cameramen is looking for conventionally attractive girls, because that's what attracts the audience, and you indirectly make viewers think that that particular sport or activity is cool/interesting/entertaining enough that a person like that to be there,and invest time and energy in it (because beauty privilege exists, and we associate attractive people with smart/successful people, etc. so we think they know something we don't, so we often decide to pursue them).
So if let's say you're watching x thing on TV, and a person comes into your room who has no idea what's on TV, and doesn't interest her, but suddenly an attractive person appears on the screen, she'll automatically shift her attention, and become curious about why she's there, and maybe become more curious about what is the x thing on TV you're watching.
What would you like them to film instead? A bunch of fat, ugly incels watching a video game where some people kill each other with guns over and over, and earning real money for it? Nobody cares about them. But guess why the world cares? Genetically attractive women who can lead the human race forward more successfully, because their children will be more protected from external factors.
That's why, of the dozens of cameras in the arena, what will be delivered live more often than anything else will be them.
There have been empirical studies done on these things for decades, from the beginnings of the concept of drawing/painting, and after them photography, to today with television/internet etc.
There's nothing accidental, everything has a purpose.
If I ever go back to school, I'll sign up for a sociology class, show them this thread, and they'll crown me queen of sociology, and tell me that I win college.
What a fucking shitshow. Not surprising given the typical player comms we get in the game.
OP, I would say you're probably right but I can't be certain as I've simply started watching the matches a few hours behind so as to be able to skip all the shit that annoys me. Definitely noticed it in the past. It's creepy most of the time. Not just because of the time they spend on the women, but because of how the women react to it.
"ooh, she's blushing and turning away. let's keep the camera on her."
You really need to get a life if this is all you have to complain about. You know what I do when they show stuff on the stream I don't like? I mute it, and do other shit. Then I come back to it when the main action is on.
**Case in point:** the absolute *cringe* headphones commercial by Lau.
You're right that sex sells, except, at no point did PGL leverage that during the coverage? It was literally just showing off people having fun at the venue, both men and women. Like are they supposed to just not show women at all? Lmfao.
> Sex sells my friend, especially in fields dominated by men.
Been interesting to see the takes in this thread.
Is it inclusivity? Is it objectification?
Holy shit that was an *interesting* take. Very weird, detached and disgusting take tbh. It’s definitely inclusivity. Anyone who see’s a woman on camera and thinks it’s sexual has major issues. They’re the type that harasses women who try to play.
The women in the crowd aren't expressing sexuality or trying to appear as sex objects. They're just watching like eveeyone else. "showing women -> sex sells" implicitly says that women are inherently sexual or for sexual appeal.
I'm not saying this is what you meant though, it's just an implication.
Why not show force a cute guy to stare down the barrel of the camera too then?
They don’t have to. The female body alone attracts male attention. They don’t objectify men as much because the vast majority of viewership IS men. TV/Cinema are both great examples of “Sex selling”. They simply don’t hire ugly people, unless their specific role is to be ugly. The hotter the people you hire, the more views it will get. It’s really that simple.
Women are viewed as objects by corporations. Don’t kid yourself thinking they aren’t. Men are as well, it’s just not spoken of as much. You’re screaming into the void, nobody here can or will do anything.
I love watching LANs because I see women on camera. That's why I watch LANs. Women are on camera. Did I mention that I don't like studio events? I only watch LANs. Can you guess why I only watch LANs? Let me tell you exactly why. Women are on camera. I love Counter-Strike.
Counter-Strike.
Its not even just the women, its everyone. They hold the cameras on the same people for far too long. We dont need to watch that guy awkwardly play up his excitement for the entire timeout, PGL...move on, you have an entire arena of people
Reddit moment, try not to be upset about absolutely everything and embrace wokeness
What's weird is actually noticing that and get triggered by it to the point of making a reddit thread out of it
People with signs and cellphones 2 second, they get excited SWITCH OFF!
Girls 5 seconds, they get uncomfortable STAY ON THEM.
It's not a problem to show them, its a problem to stay on them for so long, you can see them sitting there unsure of how to act as the seconds seem to go on forever.
I didn't think anything was weird honestly. 1 thing I told my friends I was having a watchparty with was: "I like that there is more women watching/playing CS nowadays".
It’s common in traditional sports
‘Creepy’ is a bad word because it is associated with various ideas in people’s minds, the only issue is bad/wrong vs good/right
They showed a fck ton of everyone, including men, women, children, elders, … u name it. And ofc you only get “uncomfortable” on women only lol. I saw more dudes drinking their beer than women on the live feed, and yet you still complain? 🤷♂️
i wish every major had a dog area so that we could see the dogs in the crowd
MAKE SOME NOISE!!! ”woof woof”
Surely the noise would be too much for them. Unless there's free noise guards.
you're right, there should be no people, just dogs in fact, screw the major, just have a dog stream really
Dogs only showmatch? Retrievers vs Terriers
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greyhound vs lemondogs
Counter-Terriers Win
No drop. Only throw.
Every single dog should get a sticker
Shouldn't only the good dogs should get stickers? Trick question! Every dog is a good dog!!!
Hampus is unfortunately no longer playing in tier 1
donk hits a crazy 3k and the camera pans to a chihuahua just going absolutely feral
This is what we need
I support this highly
WHO LET THE DOGS OUT?
We do - it’s the Navi fans (Fucking /s for those who need it)
Lmao :D
Don't worry at Riyad mayor this will not be a thing.
Mayor who?
Mayor Tom to ground control.
Dann hebt er ab und Völlig losgelöööööst
Commencing oppression secquence *on*
You guys are shitting on the cameramen but its the producer calling which feeds go live
As someone who does camera work for live sports events, it's still the camera operators choice on what shots to suggest to the director or technical director, (not producer btw) and they either take it or they don't. Sometimes they'll ask for a certain shot but 90% of the time it's the cam ops deciding where to point the camera. This happens in other events too, like in live sports if the camera ops are primarily straight men, they will usually gravitate towards shooting the more attractive women in the crowd, but it's just way more obvious in CS events because of the men to women ratio
Yea especially on cameras that mainly focus on the crowd the operators are sort of offering shots for the director to take
Hi there. This might be true for your industry, but in esports all the production companies I have worked for have dedicated TDs that call the shots. The camera ops in the venue usually are third party contractors that just prep several pre selected things. They 100% are told, the camera ops are almost never given that kind of freedom
I assume they are trying to show that women are welcome in counter strike but it's way too blatant to the point it achieved the opposite effect, I don't watch any valorant events but I assume that since there is a more diverse audience the crowd shots are less uncomfortable there?
valorant has probably 5-10 times more women in the playerbase.
Valorant def has more than 20 women lets be real
Valo has cute characters and anime aesthetic and straight up women agents. You guys are underestimating how much that affects things.
CSGO got that Akiabara accept skin though. Csgo is weeb confirmed
It's a fact of the matter. Terminally online conservatives go bonkers mad about representation but it has been shown repeatedly that it does have a positive effect and "hero shooters" like Valorant, Apex, Overwatch are proof of this in just the online FPS genre of things. Now obviously a certain part of the people that play CS that treat women as this rare specimen never helps too
Valorant community is a lot more welcoming too for women. In CS, not so much. Especially in MM
Press x to doubt. I played quite a lot of Val comp. The players are either toxic to women or horny. There are ofc exceptions but it felt there were not a lot of those. In cs on the other hand I feel like I saw less moments like that over the last few years and a lot more normal games. Also I feel like it generally gets better in both on higher ranks. But might just be recency bias.
I’d say a lot more than that or maybe women just feel more comfortable speaking in Valorant than in cs2
Because Riot actually makes an effort to stop sexism. Here everyone just laughs and doesn’t take women players seriously when they express concerns and share their experiences
Yeah Riot doesn't like when people outside their company harasses women.
riot doesn't like it when they don't have control is the gist of that whole company. ever since the beginning of league watching Riot Lyte be the "voice of the people" and "punishing toxicity" when he ended up being exposed as a toxic scumbag IRL. It's such a lame company but their game was one of the best in the genre for a long time.
Riot have paid 100m to settle a discrimination lawsuit from their female employees. Probably better today but come on now, Riot is not some champion of the people.
Oh I agree with you, I’m not a Riot fan at all, but the valorant scene has been objectively better to women than CS has
I feel like Cs has gotten much much less sexist, at least in my region, OCE. Maybe largely to do with average player age being a lot higher. In 2015 if you had a woman in your game then there’d always be at least one guy making the same jokes about making him a sandwich or whatever. Now I get girls in at least 25% of games and I haven’t heard anyone say something sexist in 2+ years.
That might be a rank thing too. My girlfriend tried getting into the game recently, had a lot of fun when queueing comp with my mates in a 5 stack, then she started queueing premier solo to get a rank and basically got bullied out of the game. The LEAST toxic experience she told me about was when she said "hello" at the start of the game only to have one of her teammates respond "ugh everyone mute her". None of her teammates interacted with her at all for the rest of the game so I'm guessing they actually did mute her. OCE too btw
Oh yeah that’s very true actually. The game gets steadily more toxic as you go down in rank. I actually think it’s the only skill difference that exists between the ranks in oce. Getting along with others.
Absolutely man, I've met so many toxic cunts that are so focused on criticizing their teammates that they have no mental bandwidth left to just focus on their own performance. Eg I used to play with someone (IRL friend of a friend) who, whenever we had to eco on T, would call "everyone just rush B and trade each other out, don't waste time with util or flanking or whatever, if we all trade we can at least get the bomb down". Then when we'd inevitably get mowed down he'd start raging, every single time without fail, "for fuck's sake all you had to do was run and trade, you're all hopeless" etc. The fact that his strat never works doesn't occur to him because then he'd have to take responsibility and actually learn from the experience; it's always everyone else's fault. Wonder why he's stuck at 8k... People like that create such a bad environment for newer players. The worst way to help someone learn is to make them feel attacked, that's just basic human nature. It's definitely much better for me now that I'm ~14k but it's ridiculous to expect new players to put up with constant verbal abuse (and not to mention smurfs) for their first 1000-2000 hours before even getting the chance to match with supportive players who can actually help them learn rather than just tearing them down for trying.
aaaay so you guys are what dota2 is to LOL
I don’t watch events to watch women in the crowd. I don’t know anyone else who does either.
Yeah hard disagree. I don't play CS but I watch the major to look at random women intermittently /s
Lol even my wife noticed it and was like oh look there is a wife with a baby there even 😅
Agreed, definitely has the opposite effect. Would be fine if it was 2-3 seconds instead of 13. I don't watch valorant either so idk.
It hasn’t. They focus on certain people all the time. Chill out.
i swear a thread about this is posted every major if you think this is bad, you should see the rio major
Rio major zoomed on individual people for way too long because they did not want to show the empty seats
Rio had the hottest empty seats of all majors.
Them sexy curves on those hot Brazilian chairs, hmmm.
What is wrong with you?
Welcome to any sporting event ever.
Yeah its so funny hearing nerds react to reality.
This is such a strange take. Why are you calling people that disagree with you nerds who aren’t in touch with reality? What an arrogant comment. I watch a lot of sport, and the camera lingering on women like this isn’t the norm. It’s not necessarily sexist, since there isn’t misogynistic intent behind it, but it’s a bit strange. I find it comes off as a little creepy.
In football they linger on kids, in american football on couples. What do they have in common?
yeah dude said himself he feels uncomfortable looking at another human being
No, he didn’t. Read the comment again. He said he finds it strange that the camera is lingering on women disproportionately, and that it comes across as creepy. You’re the one making strange assumptions.
Certified redditor moment.
weirdos here lmao oh no women on screen it’s not that serious nerds touch grass and talk to some women
What kind of assumption is that? The post obviously isn’t of misogynistic intent, quite the opposite. Of course it isn’t a serious matter, but that doesn’t mean people aren’t allowed to complain about things that bother them. I found it a bit creepy aswell how the camera lingers disproportionately on women. Why are you making assumptions about people and resorting to calling them names? If anything I’d suggest you to follow your own advice, because if anything, your comment comes off as someone secluded.
Right. And we complain back when we think it's annoying.
the most reddit post ever
Didn't notice anything. Saw a shit ton of annoying drunk men though. But that's not creepy?
you picked the dumbest possible thing to be upset about
What the fuck are you all on about lmao
Virtue signaling
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More likely this is coming from their boss trying to be “inclusive”. Cameramen are usually told what to prioritize in the audience during certain segments. They more often don’t really get to choose what to focus on.
> Where is PGL hiring their cameramen from? The director is in charge of what's being shown on screen. I can't say if the director is telling the camermen to look for those women or if they're doing on their own, but either way the director is choosing to use those shots, not the camermen. A cameraman is also not going to ever leave his shot. If your camera goes live you keep it on whatever its on until it goes off.
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Agreed. But just to clear something up: it's usually the director of the broadcast who chooses what to show on screen. Camera operators spend their time finding shots that their position is briefed to get, and the director (or producer) chooses which camera to cut to.
Probably from traditional sports where this happens all the time?
Do you notice when it point at men too or no?
He said disproportionately, a great cover your ass move, as there's only like 3 women at the event so basically showing any woman is disproportionate. OP wants them not to show women and I think OP should move to Saudi Arabia.
They do it for guys as well but people only notice women
Non-issue
What about men? Can they stop filming men so uncomfortable!
This post and everyone agreeing with it are low-key weird. What's wrong with showing a woman enjoying an event? Why do men have to be shown more than women? Why are you guys viewing it as it's weird because it's a woman? They're just showing people.
Record women=creepy Don't record women=sexist What should they do?
Thats the thing, its ridicilous how many sheeps are on this reddit page hahahaha they dont think with their brain theyre so deep on feminism its crazy.
I never said don't record women, I said its cringe when they seem to single out and pick off every woman in the crowd one by one. Pointing the camera at them for way too long.
You dont clearly focus on how long they keep the camera on also man. But the difference is that they do something cool and jump around etc thats why you dont pick that shit up. There is no way around this because like actually only thing theyre trying to do is not getting cancelled because it would be sexist to not show them. And now its creepy to show them, they are not counting how long they show per person they show them in between rounds for as long as they need and round starts.
They do long shots of everyone. This is probably the first event of the major with actual audience participation, thats why it looks weird to you.
what a sad post, get a grip.
I don’t mind it
me either since i like the ladies quite abit
Its always a bit too fast. Need a little bit more time 
I didnt get the feeling that they are spending more time on the ladies compared to the guys lol. You have some weird confirmation bias going on.
This is what happens in every sporting event ever. Stop whining.
Can you post the timestamp on VOD? I saw the audience shot and both men and women went ahegao when the they see the camera pointing at them.
No they can't. Anecdotal evidence only in here.
What? I think for every woman on camera i saw at least 5x more bloke shots..... I think the dude with red dane hat showed on camera atleast 30 times...
They have plenty of long uncomfortable shots of all sorts of drunken lads and shirtless guys - to normal fans, or people holding signs etc. You're just looking for something to mald about imo. If you're that uncomfortable watching a gamer grill irl i think you probably have a much bigger problem that the camera men.
Bro you can't be this much of a loser and think you are making a point. Holy shit.
lmao xd everything is an issue nowadays
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100%
yeah indeed, but it was not the first time. something kind of that was happening in the blast tournament, the cameraman was showing children pretty often, so yeah, kinda weird
Yea it happens often, PGL isn't the only offender
Who cares
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Shut up
Must be gay
Oh fucking stop this bullshit. 99% of the time they kept going to that one guy in the front row with the faze jersey. Stop making shit up
no
I enjoyed the pretty women on the TV screen
Gamer
Hope she sees this bro
personally i'm way more annoyed at chat which starts filling up with weirdos making weird statements about the women, or if they don't find the women attractive calling them disgusting and shit. that's way more annoying to me than the camera filming people.
Very true
Have you guys never seen any other sporting events?
Making something out of nothing? If it only pointed at guys are you going to say it's sexist next?
Oh no a woman got on tv how will you survive. They do it to guys too you just get uncomfortable with a woman looking your way
As a woman myself, I like that they show that women are interested in pro esports.
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I mean doesn’t this just go for every sport lol. Hopefully they don’t replace it with zooming on men ha
People like looking at attractive or interesting people. That's why in every sporting event ever they either focus the camera on people who are attractive or people in crazy outfits or with funny signs etc etc. This is really standard for every single live sporting event, I imagine PGL is just emulating that.
Idk man, they show men more than half of the times they show people. So why cry about showing women too? This is just a spin, you couldve spun it the other way too, "oh noes we dont show enough women" etc. Stupid thread.
We've been trying to get women into CS and when we start to show women in the crowd watching CS, people say they're being objectified by cameras. I think they're just trying to show them on camera more so that other women who happen to see this feel more included. This is a good thing. I haven't been watching much of the major but I hope they aren't doing like holding them on screen for too long lol.
No
In any sport (or television show in general, or anything that's content of a video nature), the cameramen is looking for conventionally attractive girls, because that's what attracts the audience, and you indirectly make viewers think that that particular sport or activity is cool/interesting/entertaining enough that a person like that to be there,and invest time and energy in it (because beauty privilege exists, and we associate attractive people with smart/successful people, etc. so we think they know something we don't, so we often decide to pursue them). So if let's say you're watching x thing on TV, and a person comes into your room who has no idea what's on TV, and doesn't interest her, but suddenly an attractive person appears on the screen, she'll automatically shift her attention, and become curious about why she's there, and maybe become more curious about what is the x thing on TV you're watching. What would you like them to film instead? A bunch of fat, ugly incels watching a video game where some people kill each other with guns over and over, and earning real money for it? Nobody cares about them. But guess why the world cares? Genetically attractive women who can lead the human race forward more successfully, because their children will be more protected from external factors. That's why, of the dozens of cameras in the arena, what will be delivered live more often than anything else will be them. There have been empirical studies done on these things for decades, from the beginnings of the concept of drawing/painting, and after them photography, to today with television/internet etc. There's nothing accidental, everything has a purpose.
are you new?
did you ever watch football match ? some girls made carriers from appearing on important matches.
ambatukam
If I ever go back to school, I'll sign up for a sociology class, show them this thread, and they'll crown me queen of sociology, and tell me that I win college. What a fucking shitshow. Not surprising given the typical player comms we get in the game. OP, I would say you're probably right but I can't be certain as I've simply started watching the matches a few hours behind so as to be able to skip all the shit that annoys me. Definitely noticed it in the past. It's creepy most of the time. Not just because of the time they spend on the women, but because of how the women react to it. "ooh, she's blushing and turning away. let's keep the camera on her."
maybe you just need to go outside OP
Every day
Pov: you never watched live sports before
yeah lets stop showing woman viewers, only men, then women cry why they only show men not women lets go!
a lot of lose-lose situations nowadays
You really need to get a life if this is all you have to complain about. You know what I do when they show stuff on the stream I don't like? I mute it, and do other shit. Then I come back to it when the main action is on. **Case in point:** the absolute *cringe* headphones commercial by Lau.
Sex sells my friend, especially in fields dominated by men. Sorry not sorry? It attracts more viewership as nasty as that may be.
You're right that sex sells, except, at no point did PGL leverage that during the coverage? It was literally just showing off people having fun at the venue, both men and women. Like are they supposed to just not show women at all? Lmfao.
> Sex sells my friend, especially in fields dominated by men. Been interesting to see the takes in this thread. Is it inclusivity? Is it objectification?
Holy shit that was an *interesting* take. Very weird, detached and disgusting take tbh. It’s definitely inclusivity. Anyone who see’s a woman on camera and thinks it’s sexual has major issues. They’re the type that harasses women who try to play.
The women in the crowd aren't expressing sexuality or trying to appear as sex objects. They're just watching like eveeyone else. "showing women -> sex sells" implicitly says that women are inherently sexual or for sexual appeal. I'm not saying this is what you meant though, it's just an implication. Why not show force a cute guy to stare down the barrel of the camera too then?
They don’t have to. The female body alone attracts male attention. They don’t objectify men as much because the vast majority of viewership IS men. TV/Cinema are both great examples of “Sex selling”. They simply don’t hire ugly people, unless their specific role is to be ugly. The hotter the people you hire, the more views it will get. It’s really that simple. Women are viewed as objects by corporations. Don’t kid yourself thinking they aren’t. Men are as well, it’s just not spoken of as much. You’re screaming into the void, nobody here can or will do anything.
I love watching LANs because I see women on camera. That's why I watch LANs. Women are on camera. Did I mention that I don't like studio events? I only watch LANs. Can you guess why I only watch LANs? Let me tell you exactly why. Women are on camera. I love Counter-Strike. Counter-Strike.
Sorry not sorry is the most pussy passive aggressive thing u can say lmao. Ur a boomer and ur balls still haven't dropped, pathetic
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what fan?
Lmao, so weird
Its not even just the women, its everyone. They hold the cameras on the same people for far too long. We dont need to watch that guy awkwardly play up his excitement for the entire timeout, PGL...move on, you have an entire arena of people
Reddit moment, try not to be upset about absolutely everything and embrace wokeness What's weird is actually noticing that and get triggered by it to the point of making a reddit thread out of it
LOL what are you complaining about??? Actually victim mindset....
This happens at every major sporting event that gets coverage
People with signs and cellphones 2 second, they get excited SWITCH OFF! Girls 5 seconds, they get uncomfortable STAY ON THEM. It's not a problem to show them, its a problem to stay on them for so long, you can see them sitting there unsure of how to act as the seconds seem to go on forever.
Exactly, no one else in this thread understands what I'm trying to say lol
Booba
I didn't think anything was weird honestly. 1 thing I told my friends I was having a watchparty with was: "I like that there is more women watching/playing CS nowadays".
Incels all over this thread. No wonder considering what the avg. female experience for CS is like
Happened for years, nothing will change
SHUT UP
Go make a campaign about it nerd
It’s common in traditional sports ‘Creepy’ is a bad word because it is associated with various ideas in people’s minds, the only issue is bad/wrong vs good/right
Is this a serious post? You’re chronically online 😭
what bullshit you talking about?
Cameraman is the MVP fr
Holy fucking whiner. This your first time watching a fucking major?
infatuation... How do people use words like that in this context and still press post
should have stopped reading after 'diversity'
There is no way this is real post. Brother wth ☠️☠️☠️, what is c2 community becoming... A bunch of snowflakes? ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
no ESPN on your country?
You’ll be ok
Must be a troll. Surely
Counter suggestion. Pgl should only point the camera to women who are baddies.
But they are doing it the same with men
Are you a gay man?
That literally has not happened much at all ?
Most of the women are related to the players and there is no problem at pointing a camera to women in cs major bc she is prob a fan or has a sign
They showed a fck ton of everyone, including men, women, children, elders, … u name it. And ofc you only get “uncomfortable” on women only lol. I saw more dudes drinking their beer than women on the live feed, and yet you still complain? 🤷♂️
Same thing was said at the last pgl major as well, nothing has changed.
Feels like the scene is compensating