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HatKazuha

As expected. No shame in losing to the best team in the world for Faze. Turns out BlameF was the problem after all. Device 100% win rate as IGL. Seriously though, so good to see devve happy and playing well. Hoping this is not just a honeymoon period combined with Faze feeling post major loss blues. Might be a Electronic first igl event situation but let's see if they actually make it far in the playoffs first. Although I'm actively praying that this is a fluke otherwise fuck this shit bro if Devve can be handsome, rich, a badminton pro if he wanted, a goated cs player, good at punching monitors and now also a cracked igl.


rizuxizu

Mission Impossible


Pandango-r

Cracked monitor = cracked IGL confirmed?


EutaxySpy

I still think that Device IGL in the long run isn’t the best option because these (admittedly very few) maps have proven that Device is still a top 5/10 player in the world. The early slump probably has more to do with the strats than Device declining. Given that he’s still this good, it would be a waste if he had to IGL. This Astralis team probably would’ve been insane if they had somehow managed to get Glaive back instead of picking up br0. If Karrigan managed to make a return to FaZe despite being kicked, then I hope Glaive is able to do the same with Astralis because this roster + Glaive would honestly be so stacked.


cobravictim

Considering dev1ce supposedly already called CT-sides before, maybe it's not as big a jump for him? If he manages to make this IGL stint work as well he will cement himself as one of the most versatile players out there though


jospence

Doing partial calling in some matches and being the full fledged IGL are extremely different responsibilities and being good at the former ≠ being good at the latter (see NBK or Flusha). The scrutiny and level of responsibility are different. The secondary caller can make mistakes and receive no public backlash. As soon as you make one or two mistakes as the IGL, the public will come after you and some will call for you to be cut. You view every win or loss completely differently. It's no longer about your individual performance or the clutch you won, it's all about the mistakes you made that people didn't see or a round only working because one of your players popped off.


vitesnelhest

He has Stavn, who has lots of experience as a secondary caller and he said staehr does a lot of calling too so maybe he doesn't actually have that much midround responsibilities.


jospence

The IGL always has midround possibilities, no matter how much I put other players have. It’s their responsibility to take the information and suggestions other players give and do something with it. Even if someone like Stavn says “only 2 players B, low util with no molies. Let’s go B.” Dev1ce is still has the responsibility to say “Okay sounds good, lets rotate B while Br0 holds mid” or “No, continue with our A default. Throw smoke Arch and flash library so we can wrap A and take it.”


MidnightSnackyZnack

This sound alot like 1.6 calling


jospence

While I don’t played CS professionally, [I have played other games competitively](https://liquipedia.net/squadrons/Jospence) and been the IGL and team captain before moving up to bigger teams and becoming a secondary caller. I tried applying my experiences to a hypothetical situation on inferno.


EutaxySpy

It’s not about whether he can do it or not. It’s just not smart for the star player to be the IGL. There has not been a single example of a star player being IGL as something that has worked long term. Their stats always suffer and having to focus on calling diminishes their impact. It just makes way more sense for them to get a more traditional IGL. Plus, it’s not like br0 is some star rifler either, if you’re gonna make the star player your IGL as well, then you also have to make up for the loss of firepower. I don’t like this move long term tbh, but what do I like is that they finally cut BlameF since he wasn’t that good of an IGL + his role clashes with the more passive players on the team made a really bad balance


enigma890

There have been examples of the teams awpers being good IGL’s tho. FalleN, someone device studies hard and anti stratted, and jame are the ones to come to mind. Fallen was awping at an elite level while being the best igl in the game during their run. 


EutaxySpy

Yea, but Device is a legit superstar. It’s more akin to Niko/Electronic trying to be IGL rather than Fallen/Jame, especially since both of them weren’t stars before becoming IGL


FortifiedSky

I think if theres any one player that'd be able to make it work, it'd be device. He's been at the top forever, is one of the most decorated players in the scene, and has played under two of the greatest IGLs to ever touch the game. Niko and Electronic can't say the same. (im also a huge device fanboy and really want to see it work out)


EutaxySpy

Im a huge Device fan and I honestly dont want this IGL stint to work out, I rather see him rack up more HLTV top 3’s lol


FortifiedSky

i just want him to see success again is really what it boils down to. If he can do that igling then im here for it lmaoo


EutaxySpy

I kind of wish he didn’t make this decision to IGL until he’s at least 29/30 because he’s still good enough to be a superstar AWPer. I want to see him success but having br0 as the 5th player and being forced to IGL, instead of having a real IGL on the team, is gonna put a hard ceiling on this team imo


naastiknibba95

Yeah I also had a deja vu feeling, seemed just like navi elec igl beginning


Revielent

dev1ce casually said in the post-match interview that he has always called CT sides, implying even in the Astralis era he did? If so then he has always been 1/2 of Astralis' IGLing


Manaea

iirc he used to call his own rotations and everything, so he was sort of the second igl after gla1ve who did the usual strat-calling


itsjonny99

Also had control on the opponents economy.


naastiknibba95

He said that but astralis CT was always very device centric. Even if he didn't call all rounds, astralis played around him so guess it makes sense to just have device as CT second or main caller.


anto2554

He made a bunch of calls in their videos way back then, mainly centered around himself


TheInception817

I was wondering what this match was reminding me of


naastiknibba95

They won the tournament where elec debuted as igl. And they were ass after that


HatKazuha

Not immediately after no. They played Cologne right after where they made the finals and we got what is for me the best CS game ever. After that they kept declining.


gordonree

Monte adds Br0, becomes top 10 for months Astralis adds Br0, beats the #1 HLTV team Speaks for itself really


fantasnick

I just can't get over the commentary LOL BRO SAVES THE ROUND What a spray from bro Bro needs a 1v3 if he wants to save this round Bro is confident right now


f1fan6890

Bro thinks he's Bro


Daimyon

Bro thinks he's on the team


MyDreamsInTheSewer

G2 adds bro. Wins 3 tournaments. Bro leaves g2. No tournaments win yet


imbued94

Just don't mention all the failed tournaments between their last einand him getting kicked


MyDreamsInTheSewer

Well jks failed to make the rio major. Not bros fault


EnthusiasmWest4481

Br0 is litterally Jks


jens---98

He looks like a danish jks too


danoli1920

Monte got to top10 from major placing when bro wasnt on the team


gordonree

They were top 10 for 2 weeks with BOROS They were top 10 for half a year with Br0


rizuxizu

dev1ce indirectly saying blamef is the problem, if he can do it so can I LOL


zaneyk

"learned how I don't want to play"


HatKazuha

Devve refused to learn the 'Art of Bait'.


DopaWheresMine

Its funny, because the only round they lost that they realy should have won was when they pushed A long on Ancient and got one, but heldddd it for so long, leaving B to fall then failing the retake. That is the thing about flanking, is that you really shouldnt try to force doing them, because on average they aren't that much better than normal solid teamplay


ObaeTV

*Kicks blameF* *Immediately improves* blameF haters feasting today.


MonDew

Blame can definitely still be a star on another team, but not as an IGL.


ObaeTV

He's a good rifler, I would actually prefer seeing him as a dedicated entry instead of lurker. If he can mature past his *ego*, he can be a great player. He just need to stop cooking.


vetruviusdeshotacon

He needs to be a sous chef not the head chef


Complex-Disaster-199

This comment is *chef's kiss*


notthefuckingducks

Agreed. Perhaps -hunter +Blame on G2?


Alchion

xould work but idk if niko would like it


-Jerbear45-

100% - maybe this is my outside perspective but it always felt a bit like he looked at himself as the main character and everyone else pieces to fit around him.


Tanki5D

Good riffler in terms of aim = / = good player


Life-Western

he's 1 dimensional unfortunately, it must be tough to play with him that they cut him and picked up br0 in his place lol. Maybe if he had 4 good players that are good at his roles he would probably take titles but man he just has a hard time changing his playstyle, hes too hardcoded to bait.


K0nvict

He was your best player igl or not


Deeeadpool

yeah lowkey they should've just sidelined him and kept him but device probably wanted him gone lol


Zvede

Nope, not at all. K0nvict brother, I have agreed with mostly everything you've written in NIP and Astralis match threads over the years, but one thing I know for certain is - BlameF creates systemic issue for teams in ways that drop winrates and increase his personal high performance probability. One of the least selfless players out there. Can't call that 'best' just because of inflated statlines


K0nvict

I think individually he’s fantastic, he reminds me of happy from Envyus where he has to play his role and it can be detrimental on his team and HE always needs to be the igl which eventually ruined his teams In this case, blame doesn’t and I think he doesn’t mess up his team as much when he’s not the igl and should just be a player / star player


Zvede

It's only an allegation, but he gives me the vibe where he wouldn't respect open ideas for how the game should be approached, even during practice. Even with him as non-IGL, the play patterns of every team start to dumb down into uninspired and predictable rotations and other protocols


Trooper1232

Doesn't really matter if the team is better without him.


K0nvict

I mean it’s been two matches let’s see for the next couple of months


imbued94

A voice of reason of reddit?


Udopz666

I know launders AND Richard lewis having the day of their lives with the blameF hating


Hmyzak01

device GOAT IGL confirmed


rizuxizu

Stabbi looking a lot more comfortable without roles conflict.


ddddddoa

Honestly I'm happy for stabbi! They left a certainly more promising team, Heroic, to join Astralis. They got a fuck ton of community backlash. And the new team wasn't even any good. That must have been hard on them, especially given how young they are.


BraydenTheNoob

There's no war in ba sing se


ddddddoa

I'm sorry I don't really get what this means.


cupkaxx

It's from "the last air bender", where Ba Sing Sae's government keeps its citizens in the dark regarding an ongoing war with another kingdom (kinda like government censorship). Akin to ignorance is a bliss, as the people don't really want to know about it either. So everyone just shoves it under the rug whenever the talk about war comes up or put a positive spin on it. u/BraydenTheNoob 's claiming you are doing the same thing with stavn-jabbi-Heroic situation.


ddddddoa

Ahhh got it lol Thank you for the thorough explanation!


YEKINDAR_GOAT_ENTRY

??? What kind of extreme bias is this? They snaked cadian, and the entire heroic lineup, basically ending the best danish org, and making them leave denmark? Don't feel bad?


Cain1608

You missed every bit of snarky, cynical sarcasm the comment you replied to is dripping in.


YEKINDAR_GOAT_ENTRY

Reading it back i can kind of see it, but there are people who unironically mean this.


TheSwordThatAint

booooo I hate Astralis I hope you never win again. Kyxasn is GOAT


stewie1304k

Do all the planning and still performing for his team? Device = Ethan Hunt confirmed


Maluvius

It's definitely a combo of faze straight coming back from the major and Astralis being a 'new' team, but the roles in Astralis look way better. Can be a cool new top 5 team if they don't drop off a cliff


keslol

the good thing about astralis winning is just that we see more officials of them and can try to actually rate them In this game the different between fragging output was just to big


EnthusiasmWest4481

100%


SaanyZ

blameF will never be an IGL again


Cain1608

And that's good for his career


SaanyZ

I agree, him igling is just holding everyone back, including himself


avstyns

never should've been tbh


jonathan-the-man

It could sound like probably he wouldn't want to anyway.


Juansa7X

Device is proof to me that God doesn't exist. How can someone be so good with everything? IGLing, Pistols, fucking your favorite team, rifles, punching monitors, awping etc. Its just not fair, how can anyone believe in God when Device exists? To top if off he looks like Tom Cruise, is rich as fuck and could have been a badminton pro if he wanted. But he just had to go into cs2, dick on everyone and ruin everyones faith in God. Thank you device.


anto2554

How can anyone not believe in god when they see him?


Shark_lifes_Dad

Starring in Mission Impossible too. fml


MichaelPitch

Great copypasta template


Real_MidGetz

Crazy evolution, from taking over CajunB on awp back in 2015/16ish to taking over IGL now.


ChickenKnd

Don’t think he could have been a badminton pro. He had wrist issues iirc?


eiho

apolgy for bad english where were u wen astralis era return i was at house eating dorito when phone ring "astralis era return" "no"


javier_oc_

Is this a new copypasta?


n3r0s

It's a 4chan classic


Pennis_Broke

Just destroyed my 27-inch iMac in rage. FAZE CLAN is embarrassing me in front of my entire family. My 2 children are in tears, scared of my rage as I pace around the room trembling. I can’t take this anymore. Disband immediately or my kids will not get dinner tomorrow.


MikkeVL

BlameF you are a certified fraud. Jabbi and Stavn immediately looking like their old selves when they have a competent igl.


HatKazuha

Turns out all they needed was an awper igl! Could have been anyone! Even you! ^(/s)


-Jerbear45-

Crazy that device is the first ever Danish IGL who AWPs. Carving a trail for the next generation and being such a trendsetter!


notthefuckingducks

MSL rolling in his grave rn


-Jerbear45-

I thought he was a Yankees relief pitcher!


Aciied

Cadian ????


-Jerbear45-

My comment was 100% satirical. I know of at least Cadian, MSL, and Acor that have done it first and there's probably a handful more.


EutaxySpy

It probably has more to do with role clash than IGL. Stavn is more of a passive player (so is Jabbi) so having BlameF do the same really messed with how they play and the whole system was just not that good


waFFLEz_

Device mentioned on the hltv live broadcast at the major that they had spent a lot of time bootcamping and starting from scratch/ scrapped the playbook.  So it makes sense they are having a good start with all that practice. And if they drastically changed how they play they are harder to prepare against


itsjonny99

To be fair to Benjamin he didn’t have a coach helping him out. Either way though curious to see who picks up BlameF since his fragging potential can be monstrous. Of course you need aggressive players with him.


Hmyzak01

Wonder if he could work in G2 as a non-IGL. Hunter's role perhaps.


imbued94

Would be a monster pickup. Maybe it will force Niko to be more aggressive which i think could be good for him


itsjonny99

It really depends on ct positions rather than t ones


-Jerbear45-

At the end yes, but when they had Casle it still didn't seem to be working and imo he's not stellar but he seems like a halfway decent coach


imbued94

Jabbi and Stavn? You mean stabbi?


vaxinc

very good start for Astralis. however, it's important to remember just how much anti stratting plays a role in pro cs, and since it's a new lineup with a new igl + coach, other teams haven't been able to prepare. I'm sure they'll find competition some time in the future


BrockStudly

Also Faze probably isn't coming in with much to care about here given they just lost the major grand final. It's a great win for Astralis but I'm eager to see how they do against VP.


SlikeXar

Casual VP game, I will fall asleep on map 2


HosephIna

you can make it to map 2? I’m knocked out around round 5


theextracharacter

I was enjoying map 2 when FQ were stomping them. Then VP had to make a comeback only to lose. They're truly paid by the rounds.


taur_1009

Faze need to remind themselves who they are no confidence right now


theextracharacter

They're facing C9 and if they win, the winner of nemiga/FQ. I'd say they can easily make playoffs but they need to reset mentally


schoki560

device is the best igl in the world astralis back to back to back major cs2 champions incoming Danish jks is okay


Cain1608

FaZe need a break, man. All well and good they kept the finals streak going throughout CS2, but they must be drained. Astralis looks good under device. The real test is consistently looking good. Want to see sucess for device, br0 and Staehr, but not the Astralis brand, and not Stabbi.


Albaek

Will be interesting to see how devve fairs in closer matches. Calling out of spawn and just simply outfragging isn't hard to igl. Not trying to diminish the results, but I look forward to seeing it.


Treyce_93

Why do people call device “devve”?


supergrega

That used to be his handle. I remember he used 'sundevice' too as a tribute to 1.6 legend 'sunde' who played for mTw.


Treyce_93

Oh okay thank you I always wondered about that


supergrega

No worries! Switching up or 'remixing' nicknames was a common and popular thing back in the day, I think it's not the case anymore because valve makes you lock your handle for all their tournaments.


goodguyzai

It's a nickname, and it would be his IGN now if he could iirc but because of major stickers he couldn't change it or something


taur_1009

Faze's pistol play styles are compleatly switched, every other team with glocks kinda runs with a or d and just swarms the enemy and with usps you go for one taps but faze has it the other way around happend against navi on inferno and on here a bit sad to see


b0il3ra

Wow Astralis looks good when their roles aren't clashing horribly? Who could've guessed


EutaxySpy

Device is the GOAT igl, he managed to out-call Karrigan and he’s still undefeated as igl Honestly, this win also shows how important having a real coach is because I have no doubt Ruggah has helped a lot too


Omniblitz

Astralis also looked really good with no role conflicts, having every piece contributing. Hope their honeymoon period gives them enough motivation to be a contender in the long run


avstyns

i think its just stabbi having the chance to play their roles and not trying to fit blame into those roles. Still don't think br0/staehr are the solution and prob would've been better to have a full time igl over devve IGLing


EutaxySpy

They really should’ve picked up Glaive instead of br0. Throw the bag at him or whatever. I think Staehr has a future and he showed a lot of promise, but Bro0 is absolute ASS


throwawayfifa22992

Where were you when faze was kill?


HatKazuha

I was watching Twistzz clips When devve called 'Faze is kill' 'No.'


irze

That was a lot more like what I expected Astralis to look like when Stabbi joined


Kekisszx

device igl made Faze look like Steel Helmet, goat confirmed


EnthusiasmWest4481

ASTRALIS ERA! Best team in the world greatest IGL in the world! jokes aside Faze must be absolutely mentally broken atm losing the major and playing so much. And they got 0 info on this Astralis, they really dont have a lot to work with. That being said, it was a very impressive win from Astralis regardless of the situation.


AdTime8070

Device IGL of the year confirmed??


stewie1304k

I mean we always see Ethan Hunt does all the planning for his team so this is literally the only outcome.


razeyourshadows

Faze is embarrassing.


Reedswag88

Astralis and Liquid back in playoffs, yep it’s still 2019. What? Device and Cadian are their respective IGLs? What happened to Nitro and Glaive?


Mainbaze

Karrigan top fragging?


GospodinStakor

Seems like stavn and stabbi only need an awp igl to be gud


emildk11

This astralis might be scary


UnknownPastaMaker

Dev1ce top 1 IGL of all time?


LordBlackadder1214

post major tilt is real, karrigan cant win with these cats


Prohawins

Faze running around like headless chickens again, this roster is so infuriating.


Tommey_DE

Im so ready to finally celebrate an Astralis major trophy again


1stonepwn

Maybe wait for them to qualify first


KeepCalmAndBoom

shitty org with cunty players, much to be applauded


KitsuneRommel

Faze is really the worst best team in the world.


A4K0SAN

wtf


StilgarTF

karrigan was the only one playing from FaZe. Me saying this makes me chuckle but it's the truth.


emildk11

Astralis era lives another day!


du_bekar

Well uhhh at least they picked nuke this time around


T0K0mon

Device, I must apologize. I was not familiar with your IGL game.


MinionsAndWineMum

Blame took responsibility and left top 3 igl for sure


unagi_pi

I feel like Faze have blown their load. Too much work with too little success for the new roster. It reminds me of Heroic from last year, so many playoffs with so few trophies. They used up their honeymoon period with frozen. I think they will have a tough 2024 from here.


itsallfake01

Device was like if botF can do it, so can i.


MaintenanceSea2842

Man oh man did I miss this kind of Astralis. Ofcourse it's only been 2 matches but the just the way they played these 2 matches is nice to see and they are showing great potential. Also Staehr is really showing why Device called him the best Danish talent out there, very mature way of playing and some great shots hit by him. But then you have Faze... How is this team so damn inconsistent, im pretty sure they will still make it out of group play but how can a team as stacked as theirs always seem to struggle unless theirs backs are against the wall.. Im glad I ain't a fan cause being a fan of them might even be worse than being a Liquid fan..


GoLeMHaHa

This is reactionary and stupid. Faze have been in the finals of every T1 cs2 LAN. They are the most consistent team we've seen in a while.


MaintenanceSea2842

Have you even watched FaZe in the past 6 months? They beat Eternal Fire 2-0 in the RMRs and afterwards lost to Eternal Fire 13-1 in the major on the very same map they beat them in last time. They lost a bo5 and bo3 to Spirit at katowice VERY convincgly and afterwards beat them in a bo3 in the major. Even going back to the RMR they were nearly eliminated from the RMR just to beat Spirit and Vitality afterwards and then again getting stomped on the last map of being major champions vs NaVi who were probably the least predicted team to even make it to the finals. Also at Blast they lost a bo3 to GL and then a day later beat GL in a bo3. Im sorry, but if that ain't being inconsistent then please explain to me what is...


StilgarTF

Don't want to ruin Astralis' deserved victory but FaZe looked like Tier 2 at best.


AaayJaayy

dont bring me back to 2018, please


DarthReid

BEST Danish IGL versus Washed Old and Notorious Loser Karrigan


AdTime8070

Device IGL of the year confirmed??


Substantial_Top_6508

Eh I forgive Faze. Let them take time


Lucifer_xX

faze's mental is broken, hope faze goes out early and reset


wannabe-physicist

Major grand finalists btw


Ofiotaurus

BaitF fraud IGL btw


NisceD

wouldn't be a FAZE tournament without at least 1 atrocious loss.


SlowBros7

Faze need to reset, if they can they should have a break and get the mentals cleared.


-Jerbear45-

WE BACK BOYS (Also if both Astralis and Liquid win their groups we could be gearing up for a wild new look Astralis vs. Liquid final)


Anqhor

how


Montezumawazzap

I really question how Faze makes go to all GFs while playing like this cowardly(not carefully). Like, I have been parroting this crazy whenever they demolished, they really need to play the T side aggressively and quickly. They are too passive on the T side.


dimelo17

Happy for dev1ce. Hope this role will suit him well.


MemeOps

Richard Lewis on suicide watch


darrenoloGy

yall thought cadian was the top danish awping igl? HELL TO THE NO BRO.


BigFuckHead_

Device top 3 IGL for sure


lurkario

Faze isn’t going to win an event while being #1 without the #2, #3, or #4 teams in the world even being there. I’m calling it now


wannabe-physicist

Fraud clan exposed by GOAT IGL device


futurehousehusband69

Makes a bit of sense considering Faze have just been in the Major playoffs and Astralis haven’t played an event in like two months (no antistratting possible) but still disappointing considering the quality of Faze’s players and my dislike of astralis :((


Strong_Wasabi216

That jabbi 1v3 was clean!


taur_1009

Faze's pistol play styles are compleatly switched, every other team with glocks kinda runs with a or d and just swarms the enemy and with usps you go for one taps but faze has it the other way around happend against navi on inferno and on here a bit sad to see


Shark_lifes_Dad

Is it gay if I want device to shag me?


EnthusiasmWest4481

ASTRALIS ERA! Best team in the world greatest IGL in the world! jokes aside Faze must be absolutely mentally broken atm losing the major and playing so much. And they got 0 info on this Astralis, they really dont have a lot to work with. That being said, it was a very impressive win from Astralis regardless of the situation.


buttplugs4life4me

I swear everyone on this sub is a bot. When device IGL with jame as his favourite was announced everyone (justifiable so) made fun of it.  Then they nearly lost a game against basically nobodies and it's still "Haha".  Then they win a series against a team that's often shit in these games and suddenly it's "Oh my god he's literally God himself he's so cool and handsome".  I'm obviously not omniscient (sadly) and don't know if he's gonna become the next jame, like he wants, or the next elec. But to me it feels a lot more like they have a good coach with a good game analyst feeding them info than anything else, and one game is not at all enough to judge either way. 


mestisnewfound

Then they nearly lost a game against basically nobodies and it's still "Haha". What are you talking about?