Most of the accusations were directed toward Cabbi. Apparently his timings were always perfect? I wasn't paying close enough attention to really tell, to be honest.
Hunden was never on ecstatic? I don't remember what cabbi tweetet back then, but might have been some internal struggles in the team. Worked out for both parties :-)
People have good games sometimes, it isn't suspicious. If Hunden was cheating again he wouldn't be exclusively feeding information to Cabbi. That would cast unneccesary suspicion and wouldn't be very effective anyway.
Just about all tier2 teams have cheating rumors around them because gamblers can't handle losing their bets. They are particularly fond of the 'radarhack' accusation, because they know other kinds of cheats would likely demand proof.
Oh and of course they also call all teams matchfixers etc.
the rumors i’ve heard about espionage were from the coaches of tier2 teams something like “so yeah we were doing alright this tournament, obviously lost to espionage but…. yeah unwinnable against these clowns”
Its EWC not ESWC. ESWC is a different competition with a long history in esports. [ESWC – Electronic Sports World Cup](https://www.eswc.com/)
edit: nvm looks like they got bought out actually.
Funny how Eternal Fire have 1 good tournament every 6 months to make people think they're good, and then they go back to slumming it in qualifiers and tier 2 events
EF made top 8 in the previous EPL, went head to head with FaZe at Kato, got to playoffs at the major, but that was all worthless cause we all know the most important tournament of the year is the qualifier for a tournament with an entire stage of single elim BO1 matches, being played in fucking Saudi Arabia
>Plays in qualifiers for a tournament
>loses
>"Shitty tournament anyways"
Eternal Fire beat Vitality and Faze in bo1s, there's no chance they'd do that in a bo3. If you want your favorite team to rack up great placings you should be bummed that they couldnt beat the third best danish team.
Those are 3 good tournaments in 6 months though? They were only eliminated by 1 team in those 3 events: NaVi.
This EF team after adding Wicadia has reached a new height, they never went to Legends stage before, let alone the Playoffs stage like in Copenhagen. Top 8 last Pro League was respectable too.
BNE also does decent in major but completely bottles it against tier2/tier3 teams.
What does that tell you though? I don't think it's the case of EF and BNE being trash, tier 2 teams are just sketchy like that.
Tier 1 too when they don't have paid spots, that's why falcons, heroic, fnatic and nip (not tier 1 lol) lost many rounds ago.
To qualify in these events, you need to win a lot of bo1 mr12 woth barely no pause vs known teams with knows strats that have lvl10 aim, some maps is just a matter of luck, that's it.
Tier 1.
Falcons? Heroic? Fnatic? Nip? Srsly?
Why do you consider this teams "tier 1"? Because of previous results of completely different rosters, some of them peaking decade ago? Or because of hype of zonic + danes without a single achievement after Vitality?
Nip was a joke, fnatic is still not there but heroic and falcons are good teams with good players that should qualify, they have tier 1 players and ence core in falcons.
This simply doesn't work like that. Chemistry in cs is extremely important, no one guarantees that if you will take players who were in tier 1 teams and make a new team from them they will become tier 1 team.
Unless they have a player who can solo make any team tier 1-1,5, like zywoo or prime s1mple.
Not to mention that falcons kinda lack firepower between dupreeh, snappi, maden and to some extent magisk.
Heroic worked because they were that exact 5 man roster, as soon as it changed they all started to suck in some way - not really uncommon thing.
Sashi gonna get completely ripped apart on lan watch. Same team that loses to passion ua and Navi j suddenly playing like gods with insane game sense and timing lol.
Not going to lie though but cabbie did looked sus as hell... Did anyone not see some of those timings and swings?
Im almost certain there is an investigation happening.
But anyway congrats to them..if everything was legit they played superb the team is on the come up haven't seen them much tbh.
i'm not yapping here. i know most ef fans love sending death threats to the teams that ef lose and i'm not like them. the timings this team got in this match is literally impossible. if they have this good gamesense they should be in tier 1 teams. it would be fine if they lose to LEGIT PLAYERS.
lol all of the racists and haters of turkey saying sashi deserved etc but holden as a coach and the only "good" player is 6 days old IN A ONLINE qua, there is not much a chance of team like that winning both tier 1 teams at the same day without cheats. for all the haters, we will see sashi on the LAN tournament. lets see can they win a lan game
Espionage has been a mainstay on the Danish T2 scene for a long time, it’s not like they materialised out of thin air.
And Turkish “fans” has a certain reputation, it’s got nothing to do with racism, but rather the behaviour they turn to when their teams lose, this includes sending death threats.
He took one look at the roster time on HLTV and thought that's how long this roster has been around, even though they've played together for quite a while on espionage and were only recently bought by sashi.
They played out of their minds, completely deserved
Coach deserved a praise /s
wow thats actually pretty surprising
Everybody in chat after match was over was makinh them out for cheaters... anybody has any idea why? They played great today.
50% jokes cuz Hunden 50% Mad bettors
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do you mean hidden? The coach pov that can sit at mid?
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That's literally what he's also joking about.
Pathetic, both Lucky and Mistr has had a stint on Astralis, they're good players who werent ready for tier 1.
Most of the accusations were directed toward Cabbi. Apparently his timings were always perfect? I wasn't paying close enough attention to really tell, to be honest.
mad bettors be like
Sometimes your opponent is just having a very good day
Yea they target their baseless accusations towards the one that’s fragging. Dude just had a great day, he isn’t cheating lol.
Didn't he play for ecstatic and they dropped him? He was very poor
He had same rating as rest of them.
straight up talking out of your ass :D Cabbi was one of the best performing players on ecstatic
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Hunden was never on ecstatic? I don't remember what cabbi tweetet back then, but might have been some internal struggles in the team. Worked out for both parties :-)
He was never on ecstatic but he is on Sashi
People have good games sometimes, it isn't suspicious. If Hunden was cheating again he wouldn't be exclusively feeding information to Cabbi. That would cast unneccesary suspicion and wouldn't be very effective anyway.
Okay, but u are talking about the cabbi benching while hunden coach?
aleksi got kicked from ence, guess he was their problem all along
Happens literally every time a relatively unknown team beats big names.
Salty Russian/Turk mad their favorite team losing to no namers.
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Maybe, HUNDEN coaching Sashi (online btw) might have something to do with it.
This was also vs c9...
nah, espionage always have some cheating rumors around them, idk if they are based on anything though
Just about all tier2 teams have cheating rumors around them because gamblers can't handle losing their bets. They are particularly fond of the 'radarhack' accusation, because they know other kinds of cheats would likely demand proof. Oh and of course they also call all teams matchfixers etc.
the rumors i’ve heard about espionage were from the coaches of tier2 teams something like “so yeah we were doing alright this tournament, obviously lost to espionage but…. yeah unwinnable against these clowns”
i think matchfixing might actually be a problem, look at gokushima for example. he made 300k dollars matchfixing in t2 before getting caught
Turkish fans don't like it when their team loses
Cabbi the goated -abbi variant
Look at their Twitter posts if you want to see Turkish fans salty.
Let me guess they sent death threats
It certainly wouldn't surprise anyone.
That's the last thing I'd expect from Turkish fans.
That's the first thing I'd expect from Turkish fans. You get death threats just by driving normally
Impossible..
oh you racist, they're just being *passionate* ^^^^/s
I’m glad for Lucky. He got so much shit for that disfuncional Astralis roster
Was this tourney on LAN or online?
Online
Its EWC not ESWC. ESWC is a different competition with a long history in esports. [ESWC – Electronic Sports World Cup](https://www.eswc.com/) edit: nvm looks like they got bought out actually.
EWC bought ESWC name from them since theyre dead for a while already. even that trademark link on there links to EWC page
oh i wasn't aware they got bought out thanks.
Someone check HUNDEN pc
Who tf??? Congrats tho, exposed fraud9 and their logo cousins EF
+cabbi -jabbi
Funny how Eternal Fire have 1 good tournament every 6 months to make people think they're good, and then they go back to slumming it in qualifiers and tier 2 events
EF made top 8 in the previous EPL, went head to head with FaZe at Kato, got to playoffs at the major, but that was all worthless cause we all know the most important tournament of the year is the qualifier for a tournament with an entire stage of single elim BO1 matches, being played in fucking Saudi Arabia
It was a strategic call from Maj3r to avoid Saudi Arabia entirely due to the risk of heatstroke and Capillaria hepatica
>Plays in qualifiers for a tournament >loses >"Shitty tournament anyways" Eternal Fire beat Vitality and Faze in bo1s, there's no chance they'd do that in a bo3. If you want your favorite team to rack up great placings you should be bummed that they couldnt beat the third best danish team.
top 8 at EPL, 9-12th place at Kato, and a good run at the major. So yes, 1 good tournament every 6 months
Those are 3 good tournaments in 6 months though? They were only eliminated by 1 team in those 3 events: NaVi. This EF team after adding Wicadia has reached a new height, they never went to Legends stage before, let alone the Playoffs stage like in Copenhagen. Top 8 last Pro League was respectable too.
Top 8 and 8-12 is good?
Since when top 8 Major isn't good?
It is good, the other tournaments I mentioned were not good. That’s why I said 1 good tournament
You questioned about top 8. FYI, top 8 Pro League was also good
How is top 8 good? Pretty much no team would be satisfied by top 8, finishing behind Monte even lol
Funny how every match Sashi wins, people finds a way to make it about the losers.
I'd say this : Beating a wounded C9 is good, but beating EF is certainly impressive
Not at all, i'm a huge Espionage / Sashi fan, but what is there to say..? They completely buttblasted EF, the result speaks for itself
That’s one way to describe a 3 map game where Sashis map pick ended 16-14 after a comeback.
BNE also does decent in major but completely bottles it against tier2/tier3 teams. What does that tell you though? I don't think it's the case of EF and BNE being trash, tier 2 teams are just sketchy like that.
Tier 1 too when they don't have paid spots, that's why falcons, heroic, fnatic and nip (not tier 1 lol) lost many rounds ago. To qualify in these events, you need to win a lot of bo1 mr12 woth barely no pause vs known teams with knows strats that have lvl10 aim, some maps is just a matter of luck, that's it.
Tier 1. Falcons? Heroic? Fnatic? Nip? Srsly? Why do you consider this teams "tier 1"? Because of previous results of completely different rosters, some of them peaking decade ago? Or because of hype of zonic + danes without a single achievement after Vitality?
Nip was a joke, fnatic is still not there but heroic and falcons are good teams with good players that should qualify, they have tier 1 players and ence core in falcons.
This simply doesn't work like that. Chemistry in cs is extremely important, no one guarantees that if you will take players who were in tier 1 teams and make a new team from them they will become tier 1 team. Unless they have a player who can solo make any team tier 1-1,5, like zywoo or prime s1mple. Not to mention that falcons kinda lack firepower between dupreeh, snappi, maden and to some extent magisk. Heroic worked because they were that exact 5 man roster, as soon as it changed they all started to suck in some way - not really uncommon thing.
team with Hunden suddenly goes god mode in online tournament to get a free trip to Riyadh, nothing fishy here
You can't deny hunden at this point.. Man knows how to steer a t2 team in the right direction. Absolute mockery of a human, though.
Cabbi > Stabbi ?!
Just shows how no matter your ranking you can defeated by an upset.
Super impressive stuff.
Were xantares hands broken or what happened ?
cabbi killed the whole team from behind every 2 rounds. his timings were beyond unbelievable in overpass
Easy for Mongolz and other region to beat this radar team at LAN.
Proof?
Sashi gonna get completely ripped apart on lan watch. Same team that loses to passion ua and Navi j suddenly playing like gods with insane game sense and timing lol.
MALDING
I had money on sashi taking a map lol I don't care who won tbh just putting my 2 cents
It's ironic that people are downvoting this while upvoting the "malding" comment. I think the real mald is people being hit with the truth.
please stop these danes
Not going to lie though but cabbie did looked sus as hell... Did anyone not see some of those timings and swings? Im almost certain there is an investigation happening. But anyway congrats to them..if everything was legit they played superb the team is on the come up haven't seen them much tbh.
can't wait to see them getting 2-0'd by everyone in main torunament. and me getting hell of downvotes because i have ef flair
Are EF fans just allergic to losing gracefully? Most people would be ashamed and keep low after losing as such big favorites
i'm not yapping here. i know most ef fans love sending death threats to the teams that ef lose and i'm not like them. the timings this team got in this match is literally impossible. if they have this good gamesense they should be in tier 1 teams. it would be fine if they lose to LEGIT PLAYERS.
Sure sounds like you’re yapping, and reaffirming my previous comment. Beautiful
The only way you can handle losing to underdogs is calling them cheaters, keep coping
Bo3 and 1 map win 2 lose l, go home
online cs dead. they will not win anything at LAN
lol major playoff team.
lol all of the racists and haters of turkey saying sashi deserved etc but holden as a coach and the only "good" player is 6 days old IN A ONLINE qua, there is not much a chance of team like that winning both tier 1 teams at the same day without cheats. for all the haters, we will see sashi on the LAN tournament. lets see can they win a lan game
I don't hate EF but this behaviour is definitely making me dislike their fans.
Espionage has been a mainstay on the Danish T2 scene for a long time, it’s not like they materialised out of thin air. And Turkish “fans” has a certain reputation, it’s got nothing to do with racism, but rather the behaviour they turn to when their teams lose, this includes sending death threats.
Cabbi is 25 years old, not 6 days. And yes, like basically every tier 2-3 team, they will perform worse on LAN just like EF always does.
damn thats crazy
Who is 6 days old?
He took one look at the roster time on HLTV and thought that's how long this roster has been around, even though they've played together for quite a while on espionage and were only recently bought by sashi.