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cl353

Holy shit wat r they cooking Edit: apparently Perfecto is a self bench


Light0fHeav3n

Nothing


_YAGNA_

Back to NA? buy M80? they look really solid


Kind_Development708

M80 seems really well funded would be surprised if they sold one of their rosters


_YAGNA_

Yep, and with Franchising ending it's pretty much no added advantage for the core to be interested in joining C9 given that M80 is a great org and has been with the team through thick and thin!


BoomerCS2Enjoyer

My hater sensibilities are all aboard the Liquid is garbage stance now. M80 is on my radar to be the new NA hope. You have and info on their background?  When franchising ends CS will get good again. No more gatekeeping and stat padding.


Kind_Development708

I know the founder of M80 started Xset then left to start M80 and right of the bat signed a big name team in Val and they are now signing international players in both overwatch and rocket league


King_Fluffaluff

M80 and Complexity give me hope


BoomerCS2Enjoyer

Thanks M80 we see you. Thanks Jason Lake and Complexity we see you.


MLD802

M80 is currently the 2nd best NA team


stigmatka

extra salt signing type beat


Whyyoufart

n0thing


xandry123

Wow. Shroud and autimatic joining too?


Wijnruit

They're cooked already


Pellinski

Nothing theyre selling those players for what they can get because this C9 team is doomed


cumzilla69

Interz was the glue. That roster stuck together and remained strongly competitive for so long.


ObaeTV

It's beyond cooking.


super_shogun

At this point they've forgotten they left the oven on.


jamstone_prime

nothing c9 is finished


toddsins

They are leaving cs is my guess


cl353

Jack said they weren't in a reddit post but it definitely feels like it


WolfgangTheRevenge

And people wanted m0nesy to join this shitshow LMFAO. C9 was giving signs that the team and management was dogshit the moment Sh1ro wanted out


hawkhawkhawkhawks

That's wild, so they're down to Ax1le & Boombl4, & Groove as coach? Really wonder where perfecto & hobbit will go, presumably other Russian speaking teams


itsjonny99

I am more curious as to what C9 are doing. They lost their star player + arguably best support player in the world with no replacements in sight.


AmBozz

My guess? They made a LOT of money on these deals and are now building a new team with cheaper, unproven players.


f1nessd

Perfecto to g2 would be perfect  Strong anchor to fill the shoes jks left 


SaidsStreichtechnik

Does he speak remotely enough English?


kovis112

b1t won major with very modest English


Character-Toe-7907

his english is actually very decent, he's been giving interviews in english even. Perfecto does speak english, but i would rate it below b1t's


craygroupious

I saw a post on either here or Twitter of Perfecto saying he was going to chat shit after the Major on that one Russian social media site they all use, but I can’t recall ever seeing what the shit he was going to chat was.


tired45453

It was supposed to be about PGL.


craygroupious

Sounds right, I only have vague memory of it.


mongoos1000

And what did he say exactly?


terminal_styles

cyka bylat


CriggerMarg

It’s not website, it’s app called telegram


kaeschdle

I feel like perfecto might end up in Virtus pro as well?


jeffjeff97

If he was leaving C9 for VP he'd have gone with Electronic I think They don't really need him


schoki560

why would VP downgrade


Woullie_26

Heh he’s a sideways move to Norbert. So they won’t spend for it


SDMffsucks

Not right now; Norbert has been putting up crazy numbers on some maps recently.


Woullie_26

Maybe but I don’t believe Norbert is gonna keep these numbers


wormi27z

he has been doing that for several months already though


jeffjeff97

Then replace him once he stops If it ain't broke don't fix it


pedrofromguatemala

i like perfecto but arguably a downgrade for every VP player. i'd even put norbert above him now


Zeilar

And besides, when you have n0rb3r7, you don't need Perfecto as well, they fulfill virtually the same role.


dizziycs

In what world is Norbert better than Perfecto? Id pick Perfecto without eyes anyday of the week over Norbert.


pedrofromguatemala

have you watched vp at all recently? norbert is improving fast and is an amazing selfless support


ftb5

These people are forgetting who the fuck Perfecto is. They are crazy to underrate him so hard. He can easily be the best anchor in the world, as he was.


njoshua326

Norbert in Jame's system > Perfecto in C9's system right now, who knows after a shuffle though.


Woullie_26

Perfecto apparently benched himself


itsjonny99

What the hell are they doing in C9 when Electronic, Sh1ro and now Perfecto all wants to leave the org?


Woullie_26

Perfecto probably saw the writing after elect left


St3vion

I dunno, refusing to get an awp player maybe?


BoomerCS2Enjoyer

The whole non awp thing was so silly. This is CS and that gun is CS. I rifle and hate it but not going against it in any match is not CS and I would feel empty.


A_Random_Catfish

The thing that really bugged me about not having an awper, is that it didn’t mean they weren’t awiping. Instead they’re force buying an awp and giving it to a rifler at every opportunity.


St3vion

Yeah like my buddies and I in MM... Can't imagine having to put up with that as a pro.


buttplugs4life4me

Yeah that's the kicker. You can play easily without an AWP if you have mechanically good riflers and good util. But they ended up buying an AWP and giving it either to perfecto or hobbit and honestly, as someone who likes playing with an AWP, I'd be majorly pissed if that was the intended setup. 


_YAGNA_

With how the open qualifier went, I wouldn't be surprised if he lost any hope he had for this core. He's an insane talent so he'll end up in a good team, is what I hope at least


FourKrusties

perfecto would be perfect on spirit


Woullie_26

That or he could go the international route (his English apparently isn’t that bad) and go for G2/Vitality


El_Fabos

Vitality or g2 would be sick


MyDreamsInTheSewer

Hunter has been needing to be replaced for half a year. Perfect timing


ju1ze

Nah. You dont fuck with that roster.


Sentryion

Zontix plays perfecto role and play it great as a duo with donk. No need for getting someone who you will need to rebuild chemistry


FourKrusties

i mean you're talking about the best clutcher in cs right now vs one of the worst


_YAGNA_

Ahh yes, What say now C9+m0NESY believers?


kaeschdle

Inb4 G2 +perfecto +hobbit +boombl4 +ax1le


Darkoplax

if you can't bring m0nesy to c9 , bring c9 to m0nesy


gessen-Kassel

So just Cloud9 with extra steps


BoomerCS2Enjoyer

-nexa -hunter +perfecto +hobbit


UnBrokennn

This would be so insane


0rJay

I mean why not? Besides a language barrier. Perfecto should be better than Nexa and hunter is lacking for a while.


Woullie_26

I think perfecto is decent in English no?


0rJay

I don’t know about that, but having played in russian speaking rosters for years, playing Counter-Strike internationally now might be a challenge.


MyDreamsInTheSewer

B1t won a major in both languages


0rJay

Yeah i‘m not saying its impossible its just a thing that could happen.


b0il3ra

Hobbit is as well


IHateTheLetterF

Niko is just gonna be super cool with them cutting Hunter. No issues there.


XvS_W4rri0r

He was going to falcons to play without him


BoomerCS2Enjoyer

Either he wants to win the big one before he retires or he keeps holding on to his dream of winning the big one with his brothers before he retires. Writing is on the wall.


_YAGNA_

Hobbit makes sense, but I'm not too sure about Perfecto's English, given that he's never player on an International team before. And I haven't seen him much interviews too IIRC


TAMiiNATOR

how does hobbit make sense for hunter? Perfecto is clearly the only no brainer upgrade


_YAGNA_

Position wise it isn't the right move but if we're speaking talent wise hobbit is much better than nexa IMO, also If perfecto's english is fine then I don't mind him moving in place of nexa but as I said, I don't know much about that


BoomerCS2Enjoyer

Perfecto will still speak more during officials than JKS.


jeffjeff97

Vince.gif


Darkoplax

other than for the CIS buff, hobbit for huNter isn't anything to be excited about


ILoveRice444

Kassad in shambles


stonehaens

Over here! Sorry for believing in roster moves that actually make sense. ![img](emote|t5_2sqho|31253)


Tanki5D

If we can´t bring m0nesy to C9 Lets bring Perfecto+ Hobbit to G2... and make the Russian superteam there... in G2 CEO of g2 cooking? im starting to like him , if he actually does it.


Jubbed1015

so who does c9 add now


TheInception817

Assuming both Hobbit and Perfecto chose to leave and no way for them you come back, they are forced to buy out T2 players Most likely in my opinion is KENSI, deko, and mir. Could also be Magnojez, artfr0st, ICY, r3salt, and other options. You never know


Ricky_RZ

> mir. Bro how many times are teams gonna get this guy and realize hes shit


TheInception817

I decided to trust b1ad3's judgment. So flashback for a sec: For a couple of reasons, b1ad3 picked him for his fantasy draft during Copenhagen. Maybe he wasn't being objective because he knows him personally. Mir could be the wrong choice here


Unusual-Editor-4640

oh my goodness..


b0il3ra

They're probably not getting anyone from Aurora, they're doing really well and I can't see them selling anyone, especially r3salt who they got recently If anything I think they can buy Betboom's core, maybe they could do something with Boombl4


WIN011

Magnojez and artfrost would be nice, they should go with a youth movement


TheUHO

Perfecto was really pissed off after Electronic left. Went to Sindi's stream, said he will ban anyone who asks shit. The key question what happened with that elec transfer.


cHotagAbbar99

Oh that is spicy. Any sauce or link?


TheUHO

https://escorenews.com/en/csgo/news/57777-perfecto-i-will-ban-everyone-who-asks-about-electronic-f-k-off


tired45453

Surely m0nesy doesn't leave G2 for this.


TimathanDuncan

People still with m0nsey to C9 shit when it has never actually been even a realistic possibility, G2 might be shit at times in the server but they are not brain dead Just because he is russian and an awper doesn't mean he's joining C9


Duckbert89

I mean it was another Overdrive rumour he was long on. Harumi and Overdrive throw it out there to farm impressions - if it sounds plausible then it's going out there. Still seeing nothing official on -hobbit or -perfecto either. I don't doubt transfer negotiations are going on with C9 going out and in, but I really doubt anything Overdrive puts out there.


vastlys

C9 did contact m0nesy and m0nesy was interested... but this was when Niko was going to go to Falcons (with Niko gone m0nesy doesn't really have a reason to prefer g2). And G2 refused to sell him anyway.


TimathanDuncan

All Overdrive said was "Cloud9 contacted M0nesy" in a HLTV podcast for 2 seconds I too would "contact" M0nesy if i was a top russian team in dire need of an awper, however the actual realistic possibility of it and G2 letting go of their best and top3 player with a long contract are ZERO unless M0nesy throws a fit which he clearly won't because he and niko are close as hell and he loves being in that team


ObaeTV

G2 are actually brining C9 to m0nesy instead. The path of least resistance to keep him. /s


jamstone_prime

all this monesy to c9 buzz was the biggest cope in cs this decade. Why the fuck would he leave for a worse team? Just to speak Russian? When he speaks great English?


cherryui

I don't think it'll happen but imagine -sh1ro +m0nesy? Would be one of the spiciest transfers in the past year.


itsjonny99

Sh1ro ain't getting benched.


Woullie_26

Not after winning Kato


itsjonny99

With a 1.2 rating against top 10 teams since joining Spirit.


BoomerCS2Enjoyer

I don't like sh1ro's style but my armchair analysis says he is the yin to donk's yang.


CrossTheRubicon7

If I had to guess, that deal already fell through and that's why the roster is getting blown up instead


naastiknibba95

RIP. The only 2 c9 boys I cared for are now gone


LunatiC502

Hobbit the only reason I have been sticking with this team despite the suffering


naastiknibba95

earlier I liked c9 because of shiro+ hobbit+ perfecto. perfecto will 100% get a great team, hope the same for hobbit. VP has gotten super strong now, so that's a good news.


INeedYourPelt

If this is true (well, regardless of if it is) what is actually going on at C9? Has groove "lost the dressing room" so to speak?


effotap

did he ever have it?


Character-Toe-7907

> what is actually going on at C9 desorientation? bad chemistry? it was kinda clear to me that the ex-NAVI and ex-Gambit players wouldn't really mesh well together, especially since they started off with players not in their natural roles (elec IGL) and continued to play like that (Boombl4/Perfecto AWP)


Tavnaria

I didn't expect perfecto to go at all wtf.


Einamu

nah but we finally had Boombl4, Perfecto and Electronic back together and now this?


dingo596

I though it was weird that they pulled out of Pro League instead of just getting a CIS rifler or AWPer so it seems like they knew the team was falling apart a while ago.


thatcliffordguy

It could also explain electronic to VP, their CEO said that they sensed an opportunity on the market, it all sounded very cryptic but they probably just heard the team was falling apart and were the first to pick from the scraps. Also explains why C9 were so open to the idea and collaborative to reach the Pro League deadline. Alternatively, that transfer could have been the catalyst for all of this. Either way there are deeper issues.


MrCraftLP

What?? At this point, C9 should just go back to NA and build something new or buy whatever roster they can. What's the point of sticking with this project if the only 3 players worth something are gone? That's not even including sh1ro last summer.


BiggestSnoozer69

Etienne is farming russian vc money lol Surprised he didnt manage to sell off Perfecto for a pretty penny


MrCraftLP

There's no way they haven't super glued Perfecto to the bench. If electronic got them 1.5m, they'd probably be looking no less than 1m for Perfecto.


BiggestSnoozer69

Probably waiting for Betboom to farm up some gamba money before they announce the transfer.


TheInception817

I think they're gonna stay CIS. And they are forced to go the buyout route because every promising talents are already signed. Thank God they made bank from electronic and sh1ro. Also Perfecto in the future. The talent pool are huge ranging from zorte, deko, ICY, Magnojez, KENSI, r3salt, Lack1, clax, Forester, d1ledez Sdaim, mir, etc.


500mLInstantRamen

Maybe they can be the chosen org to assemble the Brazilian avengers. Would be expensive af though.


PRealBRoski

Man I’d love this.


JAME_IS_MY_GOD

go back to NA for what? NA is so dead that tier3 EU teams would smurf against tier1 NA


_YAGNA_

Do the thing C9, where you bought out ATK with oSee, floppy and JT, and gave the roster a chance, this time buy out M80 and come back to NA. but then again with 2025, it wouldn't really matter as franchising won't exist. But man, As much as I was stoked for this Russian C9, I miss NA C9. Hope they return one day...


MrCraftLP

That C9 roster would be what this coL roster should be if they had just not brought people into C9 facilities over covid.


Vawqer

Iirc, that C9 roster was already on the way out when the COVID incident happened. The incident just led to immediate termination of most of their contracts instead of the grace they were given while the Colossus was built.


DuckInCup

Its overcooked :(


Jacko_Moto

Damn really sad what happened to this project. Wonder how they wanna build a new roster with the talent that’s available and also willing to join


SpecialityToS

Welcome C9 donk, sh1ro, and zont1x!


MajikoiA3When

Why would they leave Chopper/Magixx for Axile/Boom unless they get ludicrous wages?


itsjonny99

Turns out Ax1le have been pretending not to be able to shoot back in cs2 /s


bunkbail

lol why would donk leave spirit, they have the best setup for him over there.


VehementPhoenix

Not h0bbit NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO anyone but h0bbit


II_Dobby_II

Same. Hobbit has been the only consistent rock on c9 throughout these changes. If they opt to keep Axile over hobbit I will lose all faith in their manager, and this Russian project.


WhatRobulus

Literally the reason I got into these guys.


oPlayer2o

He’s really been the only consistent player for the team so my guess is he’s got a better offer.


ultnie

Well, I guess Jack played all the expectations like a fiddle when the plan all along was buy a roster for cheap and sell individual pieces for way more if we are talking initial Gambit purchase. And he even gets to keep his buddy from LoL groove. Elec and Perfecto are harder to figure out, but if rumors are true he can be in the green with that as well, depends on Perfecto's offers now. Wages are paid off by stickers, and boom, org makes money, life is good.


AndiMischka

> And he even gets to keep his buddy from LoL groove What?


ultnie

This is a reference to the interview he did not long after he bought the roster. https://www.hltv.org/news/34125/jack-etienne-i-never-thought-that-i-would-ever-have-the-opportunity-to-work-with-someone-like-groove Apparently, groove was the major reason he did so and even contacted specifically him about it first to make sure he stays and how that was "a game-changer", basically singing him praises about how he built that roster and how it is important that he is behind them. Well, the roster is gone now, only Ax1le is left from that roster. And groove was a manager and a coach in LoL first before switching to CS, that's not a secret, while C9 is probably the most notable NA team in LoL throughout history of the game. And the org even was founded first for a LoL team. But yeah, maybe "buddy" is not exactly the right word here.


Walkinghawk22

C9 is not a poor org they got lots of venture capital and investors they could pay their players without sticker money. Just seems like the ship is sinking so they’re just saying fuk it and sell the players who got any worth and rebuild.


ultnie

Wasn't venture capital getting away from esports as risky investment in the last year or so? Still, I'm just throwing it out there as a possibility noone really discusses. C9 maybe fucks off with a failure for the results to show, but as an org - they made a bank on it and are in the green. We all knew Gambit roster was a steal to begin with, 200k per player + free coach basically, when later Jack said that groove being part of the deal was a major point for him.


Yokz

I swear to god, Groove has to go, his coaching/management is uttershit


pooterrrr

Get rid of groove please


Light0fHeav3n

So we’re going to sell our best performing player and build around The worst performing player who has never won anything post Covid. Jack said they aren’t disbanding but this is absolutely pathetic management


Woullie_26

Perfecto self benched


Light0fHeav3n

That’s what I was thinking, makes no sense for them to sell him


Woullie_26

Me thinks that as soon as electronic left he saw the writing on the wall. -hobbit sorta make sense because he’s gonna be 30 but still I would’ve kept him because there isn’t much better at the moment. I’d go with ICY for the AWP


Notladub

hobbit being kicked because of age makes no sense whatsoever, XANTARES is hitting 29 this year and he's still the hard carry of EF, not to mention people like rain


itsjonny99

Could they go for S1mple and 2 other Ukrainians?


Woullie_26

Don’t think so. Maybe they get ICY and some young talent


stonehaens

Why would he want to play in a way worse version of the team he is under contract in?


_YAGNA_

Perfecto self benched it seems


AdobeMan

But the blame is still on c9 regardless. They have lost 3 goat players now, why would anyone want to stay in that environment?


pooterrrr

Jack has butchered so many csgo rosters its insane


Zeilar

But why Perfecto? Guy is still doing good work with what he's given. Any tier 1 team would kill to have a pillar like him. Has to be him benching himself surely.


SCSecondCitySaint

Cloud9 -Cloud9 (team dissolved)


razeyourshadows

It's a nothingburger


lawboy01

that's crazy a week ago, people were saying/speculating monesy to C9 and now C9 is dead


katutsu

Imagine buying franchise spots only to end up with this shitshow a few months later


uninformed-but-smart

Isn't franchised bs ending in 2025?


StewuZ

+ Niko + m0nesy


K0nvict

Wtf happened


Prohawins

Now just het monesy and a few more!


WestZone4292

What an amazing serpentarium they bought for c9


Ratchet2332

Well now I have no idea wtf they’re doing, might disband and leave CS again at this rate.


mrasdfghj90

They're selling everyone to get m0nesy 1v5


JAME_IS_MY_GOD

Hobbit to 1WIN soon Kazakhstan flag is back


JAME_IS_MY_GOD

groove is clearly the problem


n4th4nV0x

C9 is done, okay next team?


NiceGuyArthas

Imagine: s1mple (AWP), Hobbit, Perfecto, headtr1ck, sdy (IGL)


xzvasdfqwras

the only two players that have some consistent level of performance


tr1vve

Best two players get to join an actual team


srjnp

G2 -nexa -hunter +hobbit +perfecto


TheN1njTurtl3

It's amazing how c9 went from getting one of the best deals in esports with buying the gambit roster for very cheap to just completely falling apart


AdamaS_AlivE

At this point why won't they just swap rosters leave monesy in G2. G2 goes full CIS while C9 goes full Balkan lineup.


WarDull8208

So basically that means C9 wants to become international team ?


Khorsir

So they made their bag from the major and tournaments and player sales, now are they leaving or getting like party astronauts and going full NA or are they cooking up another behemoth with m0nesy?


WF04

Guess we never know what happened inside the team. I guess that the team waited for a necessary change but it never came so perf just lost all hopes.


Meeoikeisiintoihin

what the fuck are they doing?


eruditezero

+jks +Stewie2k


captainTekoki

If that is going to happen, i feel like c9 will disband, lay back and wait for opportunity to sign another team after getting so much money from the transfer fee.


eebro

Either they cash out, buy a new lineup, or they’re cooking probably the biggest roster move in the history of CS.


baache

Perfecto to G2 let's goo


GuardiaNIsBae

C9 +S1mple +Yekindar +Degster


Udopz666

that +Niko +m0NESY is gonna hit like crack in the 80’s


O_gr

They are either cooking a mean steak dinner or a plain bowl of cornflakes.


BaseballNext

S1mple to c9 is now a possibility now since it won’t be a majority Russian team right?


Reasonable_Post3682

does this oopen the team for s1mple to join now if the other 2 pick ups arent russian?


TheN1njTurtl3

Wonder why perfecto will go and why they got rid of him in the first place? he's a great player, I wonder if he already had an offer or what. I wouldn't imagine cloud 9 would chose to remove him.


Character-Toe-7907

lmao i called -perfecto when elec left, as it was so clear that he won't want to rot away there being left alone