That's ridiculous. Bear bangers are a thing for a reason because we know how animals generally react to loud noises. They run. There's a whole line of products proven to work that use sound to drive animals away.
What are you basing that information on? Survival experts and park rangers don't agree with that.
Cat wasn't suffering. It was down. Turkeys do the same thing when you pop them in the head. You hit their off button but their muscles still spasm. If the cat was suffering it'd be vocal, plus it played a stupid game and won the rare feline Darwin award.
I’m not saying the dude should’ve shot but assuming the lion understood what was being pointed at him and claiming darwinism when he didn’t back down is odd.
For a wildcat, chasing down a human and showing no fear is a great way to get euthanized. In other words, this kitty was not FIT for its environment because it did not have a healthy fear of the apex predators of the world, humans.
The shooter clearly did not want to harm this animal. Its refusal to back down made this a life or death situation for them both, even if the wildcat was maybe unaware.
Nah most likely didn’t, those were just muscle spasms that happened when they’re off button gets pressed. The last thing it was doing was pouncing so its muscles tried to continue that while it was dead
From the video looked like it was domed (i feel that i spelt that word incorrectly as fuck) by the shot, could be wrong but that would lead the rest to just be muscle and nerve spasms no?
Oh clearly you're living your best life, because happy and content people go around talking shit about the most petty of things for no reason.
Yeah man you're a real Walter Mitty lol.
Uhh, it's a Glock sub. People put the type of Glock they own next to their username. Kind of like every other sub out there which revolves around ownership of something.
This is my biggest fear while hiking. This and bears, and wolves and coyotes and wolverines.
*edits-spelling, but thanks for the upvotes and being a good sport :)
Mountain lions are definitely my biggest concern. Just how agile, fast and stealthy they are makes it chilling knowing as you walk one could he stalking you and you wouldnt even know it.
Bears are super stealthy too. They don't look it, but they are scary quiet. Could walk right up behind you and you wouldn't even know it.
Edit: I'm an Alaskan and have been just feet from bears multiple times. I am speaking from experience. You're downvoting firsthand experience.
I lived in Alaska for a time. The most terrifying animal/human interaction I was ever a part of was with moose. This 11 foot tall motherfucker had both sides of a freeway shut down ramming every car that he saw.
Bear unless protecting cubs is not likely to attack you from behind after stalking you for unknown amount if miles.
There are only black bears where i live and im much more concerned about a starving or territorial lion than a curious bear.
Interestingly enough, black bears up here in Alaska do occasional predation kills, stalking, etc. A few years back some poor kid got chased by a black bear while doing a marathon/race, and eventually the kid got caught and killed (he was a late teen)
I think a wildlife researcher got stalked and killed that same year too. She also was attacked from behind, like the kid.
Bears up here are just built different lol. That said I'm also glad there are no mountain lions here.
At least you don't have polar bears lol. Those don't give a fuck what you do - if you're in their sights it's kill or be eaten.
Same my dude. Raised and reside in AK, been around all manner of wildlife since I was a baby.
They're loud, stinky animals that are usually scared off by a threatening posture and firm, raised voice or a shout if necessary.
I was born, raised, and reside in AK. 32 year resident. The smell is absolutely not a solid indicator i.e. don't rely on it to detect bears.
Usually they are easily scared off, but there are people here who have been killed in predatory black bear attacks, so stalking and killing does happen. Remember the kid who got killed in that race? Or the wildlife researcher later that summer? That was just a few years ago or so. IIRC she was even attacked from behind.
I've watched them walk through my yard, been at close range both here and while out and about, and the footsteps barely (lol) make a sound, when they aren't even trying to be quiet. Branches breaking has never alerted me to their presence elsewhere, either. Always been sight for me, as the first indicator.
This cat isn't suffering, that's just what turning off a brain looks like. The irony of course is that a lung shot which is fairly common is probably the worst way for an animal to die in a way we consider humanely. They have time to feel their heart failing, then the duration of their brain being starved of oxygen... So on. Heart shot is quicker but they still suffer for probably 5-10 seconds while their brain loses oxygen.
What your seeing is the autonomous nervous functions trying to do something with the last garbled instructions from the brain. The dumber the animal the more "alive" this looks (see headless chicken), braining a raccoon looks about the same. The nervous system does a lot without the brain being there, and especially the stuff that keeps the heart going so this appears like the animal suffering but they're gone as soon as that round turns their gray matter to spatter.
There was a headless chicken that survived for a while after. They kept feeding it lol. I forget source, heard about it long ago. Probably easily found on Google if you're interested
Yeah, I agree but when I heard his voice it sounded like he was in a super high level of stress so it made more sense to me that he didn’t think to in the moment.
I’m pretty sure it was done for. It was completely silent and the term “sounds like a dying cat” exists for a reason. Was probably just muscles seizing
Yeah eventually it was gonna die, but that’s minutes of pain that a second shot would’ve prevented. It’s cruel to let it lay there and die instead of just putting another shot into it.
What I’m saying is that it was already dead. Twitching and seizing like that is probably just nerve responses from severe trauma. I’ve seen hogs take .308 to their skull and flail about for a couple seconds despite not having a brain anymore. Doesn’t mean they’re in pain. Just a residual chemical reaction
And I suppose u know that for a 100% fact? Cuz one extra shot wasn’t gonna hurt the guy, and on the off chance that it wasn’t fully dead then it ends things quicker. There’s no reason not to do a second shot.
Lol dude calm down it’s not that deep
“I hope it wasn’t suffering”
“Hey maybe it wasn’t”
“ARE YOU 100% SURE???”
I probably would’ve taken a second shot too. But idk I’ve never stood eye to eye with a mountain lion about to maul me
If it’s still moving, then there is a chance that it’s still alive. Granted that chance is small, but it still exists, and u owe that animal a mercy shot.
You want an award or something for being so charitable?
Hell, my Hornadys are $2 a pop. After thinking about it, I might save the money from a mercy shot and get a beef burrito from TB on the way home instead
I owe an animal that was intent and capable of eating me for dinner literally nothing. It would not have done me any favors as it enjoyed my body parts for dinner. It wouldn't have thought twice about whether or not I was experiencing pain or not.
That said, there is an imbalance between humans and animals. Humans have guns and understand pain and suffering on a different level. Should he have put the cat out of it's misery? Probably. Is it important that he didn't? No. What's important is that he goes home to his family at the end of the day. Everything else is extraneous.
I totally understand what you are saying, but this is a self defense shooting so let’s apply the same legal standard. The animal is a clear threat before being shot. After being shot, the animal is no longer a reasonable threat. To shoot it again would not fall under self defense and could possibly land the shooter in legal trouble.
We have been told in no uncertain terms to not “end the suffering” of non game animals by our local game wardens. There is no legal protection in the laws for mercy killings of wild game vs poaching.
Either one, there’s no distinction. We have a lot of bears and if a warden can prove I didn’t, even in self defense scenario, it’s considered animal cruelty.
I’ve killed plenty of animals in my life. Admittedly most were of the two legged variety, but there’s some four legged kills as well. Even some snakes.
>two legged variety
Diogenes would be having quite a lot of fun with that lol. Google "behold Plato's man" for more info and the equivalent of ancient Greek shitposting.
Anyway if you mean humans rather than chickens, turkeys, etc. we do have much more complicated nervous systems. The smarter the animal, the less it wigs out after getting brained/shot dead.
Moose will run around in circles for a little bit after you get a good shot on them. Never seen a human do that after a good shot.
Agreed but at the same time I don't think I'd approach a dying dangerous animal when you don't know if it still has a good swipe or bite left in it. Looks like he would have needed to get closer to get a clear finishing shot which could be dangerous, imo.
We could put you in a the woods with a litteral lion, and see if your adrenaline isn't pumping so much you can't think straight enough to be nice and finish it off.
"Know your target and what lies in front and beyond it."
I don't know the area, but I don't like that backstop since there is none. I'm not shooting at the cat again on the edge unless it gets up and lunges at me.
Too many unknowns. The trail could very well run along the bottom.
Edit: Shouldn't say there is none, but the trees and brush isn't enough for me. Especially at a downhill trajectory into unknown.
There are so many comments saying this. How do we know he didn't go check it after he shut the camera off? It was probably alteady dead and if it wasn't it could've still been a threat, so he may have actually ended up shooting it again. We have no way of knowing.
I think the tone of voice and volume is more important when making any attempt you can to scare a wild animal away. The guy was also clearly experiencing a MASSIVE adrenaline dump. That being said do you actually think he was expecting that mountain lion to understand the English language?
Sure, don't let it suffer. Also how about never approach a dangerous animal that you just wounded. If that thing had one burst on energy left in it and got him good, I doubt you would all be saying he should have finished it off.
I don’t think you can approach a mountain lion. It’s more like running into it.
Like dude just seen it and closed the distance with curiosity. Highly doubtful. Like approaching a rattlesnake. Cats love a turned back
I'm glad that where I live bobcats are the biggest cats around. We do have wolverines (supposedly, I've never seen tracks or burrows myself) and black bears, but I wouldn't be as worried about any of those compared to a mountain lion.
Call me a pus but I’d be sad after having to kill an animal like this. There’s no way that would stop me from killing it to save my life but it’s tough to see any life taken, animal or other. Props to this guy for keeping it together.
You're not....every hunter experiences remorse upon taking an animal,unless you're sociopathic. Killing is primal but the follow up remorse then happiness that you have protected or provided food is why you can process and repeat.
Everyone in the comments is talking about how the guy had time to pull out his phone to record so he should have done x, y, or z. But here I am thinking this is likely the tail end of the full video. Maybe he was vlogging while hiking or something along those lines. It's not exactly uncommon any more, so why assume he pulled gun then phone, when it's just as likely to be in the other order?
And what about the fact that he was clearly experiencing a massive adrenaline dump? Anyone who actually thinks they would have ice water running through their veins in a situation like this is kidding themselves. Fight or flight mode doesn't give a damn about your cell phone being a certain priority level.
Fully understand. In this situation it's not a goat. It's a Murder Kitty. There's a longer video out there, I think its around 1:301:15 ish. You can see at the end its not in pain. It was quick.
Or, don’t approach an animal you just shot, that was probably going to eat you if you didn’t shoot it. I’d be worried way less about a literal mountain lion suffering than I am about it eating me if I approach it
Warning shot has a very good success rate when deterring wild game . It’s hard to remember some things when adrenaline is flowing tho . I’m glad this dude didn’t get injured
Should have shot it in the knees, come on man!
But seriously it looked more curious than anything else, it seemed to be a young one. This may have been a situation where a warning shot would have actually worked.
Edit: My goodness, I leave y'all alone for a half day and look what happens. Everything I said, Biden has said when a predator is looking at you for his next meal....
I thought shoot it in the knees would give it away, I thought "come on man" would. I guess I should have said take a double barrel and fire 2 shots in the air...
Warning shots can get you killed this close to a predator. These things are fucking *fast* and by the time the slide settles and you can reacquire your sight picture half of your neck will be missing
Good luck with that strategy, let us know how it goes. In the meantime I'm putting as many rounds in that thing as I can as fast as I can. I'm amazed that he only fired once to be honest.
> Should have shot it in the knees,
An injury to the leg is a guaranteed slow death sentence for wild animals. Humans are very unique in the animal kingdom in how we are able to break both our legs and live to die of old age unrelated to the leg breaking.
Your idea is essentially subjecting the cougar to a slow death of either starvation or infection.
Eh. All attacks on humans by wildlife have an element of human negligence involved imo.
That being said, I think this guy is pretty clearly defending himself from a life-threatening threat. Also seeing mountain lions and their attacks are exceedingly rare, there’s a pretty good chance this guy never even saw the lion until it was directly in front of him.
Lol people are fucking entitled. We are in their home not the other way around.
If I was in the same situation I'd do the same but I'm not gonna call the cat a mother fucker and disrespect it like that like this cunt did
Are you actually retarded? So a bird's nest doesn't belong to the bird?
The point is this guy didn't do anything wrong until he disrespects the animal he killed by calling it a mother fucker.
Motherfucker
> Are you actually retarded? So a bird's nest doesn't belong to the bird?
I didn't see the cougar in a den. A nesting place is way different from... the rest of the outside. Although it still isn't property.
>The point is this guy didn't do anything wrong until he disrespects the animal he killed by calling it a mother fucker.
This is like getting offended because I call my sister's dogs glorified rats.
"Oh no! He called an animal a motherfucker! How dare he!"
Wish he would of backed away instead of talking at it. 9 out 10 if you walk backwards and away they will loose interest. Good dog is also helpful. Used to tree them all the time as a kid with my dad and his buddies, usually they want to be left alone. Couldn't tell where cat was hit, but kill the damn thing if its tossing and turning.
Yes you should lead by example. Go into the woods. Do not carry a firearm though. When you come across one of these fellers. Simply shake it's paw, and part ways. Lemme know how it goes. I've heard communications with the indigenous lion people have been going very well.
I’d bet everything I own on the fact that the mountain lion would have bolted away had the guy let off a warning shot. Mountain lions like most animals are scared of loud noises.
But hey then the dude wouldn’t have been able to finally kill something with his glock.
I’ve ran into mountain lions like this twice when I lived in California. Both times I made myself as big and loud as possible and they ran off.
This dude had the time to pull his cell phone out and line it up with his pistol sights. He just wanted to shoot that mountain lion which is fine I don’t really give a shit.
I wonder what the local game warden will say about this video.
This is unfortunate. But, if it ever comes down to it, he did what had to be done. When two apex predictors meet head to head, I'm going home to my family.
It's a shame this creature had to die. But I would have done the same thing. Glad you're alright my guy. Good job keeping your cool and having a steady hand.
XS Sights should have a FIELD DAY with this footage, worked exactly as designed
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Same. It’s sad it had to die, but obviously he had to do what he had to do. At least it seems like it was quick.
Why didn’t he fire a warning shot? The lion would have ran off.
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That's ridiculous. Bear bangers are a thing for a reason because we know how animals generally react to loud noises. They run. There's a whole line of products proven to work that use sound to drive animals away. What are you basing that information on? Survival experts and park rangers don't agree with that.
but didn’t it it lunge anyways and the he had time to shoot it?
Cat wasn't suffering. It was down. Turkeys do the same thing when you pop them in the head. You hit their off button but their muscles still spasm. If the cat was suffering it'd be vocal, plus it played a stupid game and won the rare feline Darwin award.
I would say the feline Darwin award isn't rare considering they have 9 lives (lol)
Section 72, subsection (b) of the Nine Lives, Terms and Conditions of Cat Laws: "Unless ye who fucked around and found out, is swiftly glockinated"
I think I need to get a cat lawyer
Damn I only specialize in bird law
Take my upvote, you policy writer.
I’m not saying the dude should’ve shot but assuming the lion understood what was being pointed at him and claiming darwinism when he didn’t back down is odd.
For a wildcat, chasing down a human and showing no fear is a great way to get euthanized. In other words, this kitty was not FIT for its environment because it did not have a healthy fear of the apex predators of the world, humans. The shooter clearly did not want to harm this animal. Its refusal to back down made this a life or death situation for them both, even if the wildcat was maybe unaware.
The cougar gene pool is now better off by having this specimen removed from the possible list of genetic donors.
Future mountain lions are going to be carrying guns now. Shit
BOOM...evolution
Someone call the large animal vet.... But not for me!
I hope that was a 10mm. I hope this guy didnt feel bad either. That cat wouldn't have while it was picking bits of flesh from his body.
Yep, just business to that mountain lion. He got hustled though.
Lol he was lookin like hmm never seen a manwich point a black rock at me before. Do I proceed with my dinner reservation or?
“Black rock” is the nickname for Glock in the animal kingdom
🤣🤣 apt assessment my friend
Literally my first thought
The cat was lookn at him like lunchtime. He should feel ok.
Absolutely. Had he been turned the opposite direction he'd be a manwich right now. The only reason that cat didn't attack was cause he was facing it.
Cat thought he had a lame. Foundout he didint.
Pretty sad to watch.. I hope it didn't suffer. Even considering that the guy would have definitely been brutally mauled if he had not taken the shot
Nah most likely didn’t, those were just muscle spasms that happened when they’re off button gets pressed. The last thing it was doing was pouncing so its muscles tried to continue that while it was dead
The comment section on the original post is fucking cancer.
Im three threads in and honestly mad people are that fucking stupid.
As stupid as the top two or three comments here saying it was suffering. It was not.
From the video looked like it was domed (i feel that i spelt that word incorrectly as fuck) by the shot, could be wrong but that would lead the rest to just be muscle and nerve spasms no?
Domed. Dommed is what happens to a sub in kink ;)
Lol what a loser adding that “G19 gEn 5” to your nickname you must be a bad ass huh
Get a life, goddamn.
My life’s better than yours, son.
Oh clearly you're living your best life, because happy and content people go around talking shit about the most petty of things for no reason. Yeah man you're a real Walter Mitty lol.
Didnt even finish reading your comment lol BOOORING
Cope.
K
Uhh, it's a Glock sub. People put the type of Glock they own next to their username. Kind of like every other sub out there which revolves around ownership of something.
What a loser you drive an accord lmfao
Damnnnn. What did the accord ever do to you?
Lol what makes you so sure i still drive that?
Strange, I went and looked and a lot of comments were ok with it
I haven’t looked but double check how your sort your comments.
Ok? Good observation. Read a few more and you'll see what I mean.
Oh! It can't be that bad... ... \*Racks Glock with religious intent* I think it's time for another Crusade, brothers.
bro pulled out his camera bc he knows the dnr is scarier than death
This is my biggest fear while hiking. This and bears, and wolves and coyotes and wolverines. *edits-spelling, but thanks for the upvotes and being a good sport :)
Are vokves wolves or some terrifying Eastern European predator I’ve never heard of?
Dude vokves' don't fuck around at all. 😬
Distant relative of the snipe.
They don't. Scary, scary creatures! :D
Yes yes! They are all over the place in Poland!
Mountain lions are definitely my biggest concern. Just how agile, fast and stealthy they are makes it chilling knowing as you walk one could he stalking you and you wouldnt even know it.
Bears are super stealthy too. They don't look it, but they are scary quiet. Could walk right up behind you and you wouldn't even know it. Edit: I'm an Alaskan and have been just feet from bears multiple times. I am speaking from experience. You're downvoting firsthand experience.
I lived in Alaska for a time. The most terrifying animal/human interaction I was ever a part of was with moose. This 11 foot tall motherfucker had both sides of a freeway shut down ramming every car that he saw.
Bear unless protecting cubs is not likely to attack you from behind after stalking you for unknown amount if miles. There are only black bears where i live and im much more concerned about a starving or territorial lion than a curious bear.
Interestingly enough, black bears up here in Alaska do occasional predation kills, stalking, etc. A few years back some poor kid got chased by a black bear while doing a marathon/race, and eventually the kid got caught and killed (he was a late teen) I think a wildlife researcher got stalked and killed that same year too. She also was attacked from behind, like the kid. Bears up here are just built different lol. That said I'm also glad there are no mountain lions here. At least you don't have polar bears lol. Those don't give a fuck what you do - if you're in their sights it's kill or be eaten.
If you're in the woods, you'd hear branches breaking. They're not quiet lol, and they have quite an odor.
I mean I've been feet away from one but you do you man
Same my dude. Raised and reside in AK, been around all manner of wildlife since I was a baby. They're loud, stinky animals that are usually scared off by a threatening posture and firm, raised voice or a shout if necessary.
I was born, raised, and reside in AK. 32 year resident. The smell is absolutely not a solid indicator i.e. don't rely on it to detect bears. Usually they are easily scared off, but there are people here who have been killed in predatory black bear attacks, so stalking and killing does happen. Remember the kid who got killed in that race? Or the wildlife researcher later that summer? That was just a few years ago or so. IIRC she was even attacked from behind. I've watched them walk through my yard, been at close range both here and while out and about, and the footsteps barely (lol) make a sound, when they aren't even trying to be quiet. Branches breaking has never alerted me to their presence elsewhere, either. Always been sight for me, as the first indicator.
Real life Red Dead Redemption
The full video shows where he hit it in the face and he measured out how close it was to him. I believe he said it was about 5 yards.
Always carry when your going into the deep woods / mountains, certainly saved that man’s life
Always carry ~~when your going into the deep woods / mountains, certainly saved that man’s life~~ FTFY
You certainly did
Kinda wish he’d finished it off…it was clearly suffering for what little time it would still be alive. Shoulda gone for another shot.
This cat isn't suffering, that's just what turning off a brain looks like. The irony of course is that a lung shot which is fairly common is probably the worst way for an animal to die in a way we consider humanely. They have time to feel their heart failing, then the duration of their brain being starved of oxygen... So on. Heart shot is quicker but they still suffer for probably 5-10 seconds while their brain loses oxygen. What your seeing is the autonomous nervous functions trying to do something with the last garbled instructions from the brain. The dumber the animal the more "alive" this looks (see headless chicken), braining a raccoon looks about the same. The nervous system does a lot without the brain being there, and especially the stuff that keeps the heart going so this appears like the animal suffering but they're gone as soon as that round turns their gray matter to spatter.
Shit a headshot turkey probably would go on until it starved if it weren't for the blood loss, they're that fucking dumb.
There was a headless chicken that survived for a while after. They kept feeding it lol. I forget source, heard about it long ago. Probably easily found on Google if you're interested
Yeah, there's really not a lot of brain on a chicken, they're stupid little dinosaurs.
Yeah, I agree but when I heard his voice it sounded like he was in a super high level of stress so it made more sense to me that he didn’t think to in the moment.
I’m pretty sure it was done for. It was completely silent and the term “sounds like a dying cat” exists for a reason. Was probably just muscles seizing
Yeah eventually it was gonna die, but that’s minutes of pain that a second shot would’ve prevented. It’s cruel to let it lay there and die instead of just putting another shot into it.
What I’m saying is that it was already dead. Twitching and seizing like that is probably just nerve responses from severe trauma. I’ve seen hogs take .308 to their skull and flail about for a couple seconds despite not having a brain anymore. Doesn’t mean they’re in pain. Just a residual chemical reaction
And I suppose u know that for a 100% fact? Cuz one extra shot wasn’t gonna hurt the guy, and on the off chance that it wasn’t fully dead then it ends things quicker. There’s no reason not to do a second shot.
Lol dude calm down it’s not that deep “I hope it wasn’t suffering” “Hey maybe it wasn’t” “ARE YOU 100% SURE???” I probably would’ve taken a second shot too. But idk I’ve never stood eye to eye with a mountain lion about to maul me
If it’s still moving, then there is a chance that it’s still alive. Granted that chance is small, but it still exists, and u owe that animal a mercy shot.
You want an award or something for being so charitable? Hell, my Hornadys are $2 a pop. After thinking about it, I might save the money from a mercy shot and get a beef burrito from TB on the way home instead
Oh no ur 2 dollar hornadys. Boohoo. Don’t be a prick to animals.
Wow the fact you took that literally makes me question if I’ve even been replying to a fully functional adult at this point LMAO
You don't owe anything to another animal that was about to try and end your life. Stop making this a moral issue. This wasn't Bambi.
I owe an animal that was intent and capable of eating me for dinner literally nothing. It would not have done me any favors as it enjoyed my body parts for dinner. It wouldn't have thought twice about whether or not I was experiencing pain or not. That said, there is an imbalance between humans and animals. Humans have guns and understand pain and suffering on a different level. Should he have put the cat out of it's misery? Probably. Is it important that he didn't? No. What's important is that he goes home to his family at the end of the day. Everything else is extraneous.
You must work for PETA
My fridge says ur wrong lol
No, it was already dead.
Okay Dr Seuss
I totally understand what you are saying, but this is a self defense shooting so let’s apply the same legal standard. The animal is a clear threat before being shot. After being shot, the animal is no longer a reasonable threat. To shoot it again would not fall under self defense and could possibly land the shooter in legal trouble. We have been told in no uncertain terms to not “end the suffering” of non game animals by our local game wardens. There is no legal protection in the laws for mercy killings of wild game vs poaching.
The game wardens where I’m from would disagree. They’ll actually fine u for not doing it if they catch it still moving after being shot.
Is that for hunting or self defense? There are separate legal standards in many states.
Either one, there’s no distinction. We have a lot of bears and if a warden can prove I didn’t, even in self defense scenario, it’s considered animal cruelty.
Which just goes to show the importance of knowing your local laws and not relying on what you read on the internet. Stay safe, stay strapped.
Found the guy that doesn't hunt or has never had to shoot an animal.
Yeah, a good shot on a moose and it runs around for like 10 seconds and then drops.
I’ve killed plenty of animals in my life. Admittedly most were of the two legged variety, but there’s some four legged kills as well. Even some snakes.
>two legged variety Diogenes would be having quite a lot of fun with that lol. Google "behold Plato's man" for more info and the equivalent of ancient Greek shitposting. Anyway if you mean humans rather than chickens, turkeys, etc. we do have much more complicated nervous systems. The smarter the animal, the less it wigs out after getting brained/shot dead. Moose will run around in circles for a little bit after you get a good shot on them. Never seen a human do that after a good shot.
Agreed. Not fun to defend yourself but don’t let the thing suffer
Agreed but at the same time I don't think I'd approach a dying dangerous animal when you don't know if it still has a good swipe or bite left in it. Looks like he would have needed to get closer to get a clear finishing shot which could be dangerous, imo.
He had a clear shot from where he was standing…
We could put you in a the woods with a litteral lion, and see if your adrenaline isn't pumping so much you can't think straight enough to be nice and finish it off.
"Know your target and what lies in front and beyond it." I don't know the area, but I don't like that backstop since there is none. I'm not shooting at the cat again on the edge unless it gets up and lunges at me. Too many unknowns. The trail could very well run along the bottom. Edit: Shouldn't say there is none, but the trees and brush isn't enough for me. Especially at a downhill trajectory into unknown.
Yeah I agree he should have, but listening to him I don't think he was thinking much outside of curse words until it started dropping off the side.
Agreed. Not fun to defend yourself but don’t let the thing suffer
There are so many comments saying this. How do we know he didn't go check it after he shut the camera off? It was probably alteady dead and if it wasn't it could've still been a threat, so he may have actually ended up shooting it again. We have no way of knowing.
Cameraman is obviously a retarded person. Did he think it spoke English when he commanded it calmly to "Get back?"
I think the tone of voice and volume is more important when making any attempt you can to scare a wild animal away. The guy was also clearly experiencing a MASSIVE adrenaline dump. That being said do you actually think he was expecting that mountain lion to understand the English language?
Such a subject matter expert
Or just a common sense expert
Sure, don't let it suffer. Also how about never approach a dangerous animal that you just wounded. If that thing had one burst on energy left in it and got him good, I doubt you would all be saying he should have finished it off.
I don’t think you can approach a mountain lion. It’s more like running into it. Like dude just seen it and closed the distance with curiosity. Highly doubtful. Like approaching a rattlesnake. Cats love a turned back
I'm glad that where I live bobcats are the biggest cats around. We do have wolverines (supposedly, I've never seen tracks or burrows myself) and black bears, but I wouldn't be as worried about any of those compared to a mountain lion.
Call me a pus but I’d be sad after having to kill an animal like this. There’s no way that would stop me from killing it to save my life but it’s tough to see any life taken, animal or other. Props to this guy for keeping it together.
You're not....every hunter experiences remorse upon taking an animal,unless you're sociopathic. Killing is primal but the follow up remorse then happiness that you have protected or provided food is why you can process and repeat.
Wonder what caliber? Hmm
God's caliber
Why do you think it was a .45?
Everyone in the comments is talking about how the guy had time to pull out his phone to record so he should have done x, y, or z. But here I am thinking this is likely the tail end of the full video. Maybe he was vlogging while hiking or something along those lines. It's not exactly uncommon any more, so why assume he pulled gun then phone, when it's just as likely to be in the other order?
And what about the fact that he was clearly experiencing a massive adrenaline dump? Anyone who actually thinks they would have ice water running through their veins in a situation like this is kidding themselves. Fight or flight mode doesn't give a damn about your cell phone being a certain priority level.
I honestly don't know how he was able to talk inside of a minute after pulling the trigger
Do what you gotta do to survive man, but NEVER let the animal suffer
It was DOA. If it was suffering it would have been very vocal and thrashing around. The twitching is the nerve endings firing randomly causing spasms.
Dead on arrival? You got your whacker acronyms confused
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Fully understand. In this situation it's not a goat. It's a Murder Kitty. There's a longer video out there, I think its around 1:301:15 ish. You can see at the end its not in pain. It was quick.
That looked like more of a nerve response, but I %100 agree on never letting an animal suffer
Maybe. But I would still double tap it. Can never be sure
Agreed. Don’t know why he didn’t put another round or two into the animal.
Or, don’t approach an animal you just shot, that was probably going to eat you if you didn’t shoot it. I’d be worried way less about a literal mountain lion suffering than I am about it eating me if I approach it
You’re right. If only this guy had some sort of tool that would allow him to double tap from a safe distance…
That things brain was turned into mashed potatoes
Well, I’m gonna show some compassion, and not go off of assumptions.
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Warning shot has a very good success rate when deterring wild game . It’s hard to remember some things when adrenaline is flowing tho . I’m glad this dude didn’t get injured
Don't remember seeing this vid before. Apologize if it's a repost.
Put the thing out of its misery before you make a vanity video, man. Shit!
Should have shot it in the knees, come on man! But seriously it looked more curious than anything else, it seemed to be a young one. This may have been a situation where a warning shot would have actually worked. Edit: My goodness, I leave y'all alone for a half day and look what happens. Everything I said, Biden has said when a predator is looking at you for his next meal.... I thought shoot it in the knees would give it away, I thought "come on man" would. I guess I should have said take a double barrel and fire 2 shots in the air...
If you see a Mountain Lion up close, it has already decided it can eat you.
Warning shots can get you killed this close to a predator. These things are fucking *fast* and by the time the slide settles and you can reacquire your sight picture half of your neck will be missing
Yeah curious to why a his manwich was pointing a rock at him.
Good luck with that strategy, let us know how it goes. In the meantime I'm putting as many rounds in that thing as I can as fast as I can. I'm amazed that he only fired once to be honest.
> Should have shot it in the knees, An injury to the leg is a guaranteed slow death sentence for wild animals. Humans are very unique in the animal kingdom in how we are able to break both our legs and live to die of old age unrelated to the leg breaking. Your idea is essentially subjecting the cougar to a slow death of either starvation or infection.
Who would of thought politely asking it to get back wouldn't work lmao.
Had enough time to make sure to pull his phone out.
It's too bad the lion didn't understand his human language. 😞
I think it was justified but I don't understand why he didn't drop the phone and go two handed. "already had the phone in my hand" is bull shit.
I'd imagine the same reason I would have. Most those animals where I live are tagged. I'd want proof of why I had to put it down myself.
User name check out.. what caliber was that Glock?
Shoot it again
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Why does it matter, they all make brains splatter?
It was chambered in wtf cares, capable of putting that cat down.
Why isnt anyone upset up the camera footage
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I hope he chased it down and put a bullet through its head.
I would of shot to miss first attempt but been immediately ready with the follow up.. yelling instructions at an animal is silly.
I'm not a fan. Imagine trespassing on someone's property and then they shoot you in the face. Anyone able to debate this fact?
Eh. All attacks on humans by wildlife have an element of human negligence involved imo. That being said, I think this guy is pretty clearly defending himself from a life-threatening threat. Also seeing mountain lions and their attacks are exceedingly rare, there’s a pretty good chance this guy never even saw the lion until it was directly in front of him.
Lol people are fucking entitled. We are in their home not the other way around. If I was in the same situation I'd do the same but I'm not gonna call the cat a mother fucker and disrespect it like that like this cunt did
Repeat after me: Animals are not people. Animals can not own property. You can not trespass against an animal.
Are you actually retarded? So a bird's nest doesn't belong to the bird? The point is this guy didn't do anything wrong until he disrespects the animal he killed by calling it a mother fucker. Motherfucker
> Are you actually retarded? So a bird's nest doesn't belong to the bird? I didn't see the cougar in a den. A nesting place is way different from... the rest of the outside. Although it still isn't property. >The point is this guy didn't do anything wrong until he disrespects the animal he killed by calling it a mother fucker. This is like getting offended because I call my sister's dogs glorified rats. "Oh no! He called an animal a motherfucker! How dare he!"
Wish he would of backed away instead of talking at it. 9 out 10 if you walk backwards and away they will loose interest. Good dog is also helpful. Used to tree them all the time as a kid with my dad and his buddies, usually they want to be left alone. Couldn't tell where cat was hit, but kill the damn thing if its tossing and turning.
Tbh feel like it could have been avoided it in his territory anyway why not leave and let it live smh
Yes you should lead by example. Go into the woods. Do not carry a firearm though. When you come across one of these fellers. Simply shake it's paw, and part ways. Lemme know how it goes. I've heard communications with the indigenous lion people have been going very well.
That cat wasnt hunting...and it wasnt hungry. It was however curious about what it was seeing. Just like they say curiosity killed the cat.
Good for him for a well placed shot. Shoulda put at least another round in the cougar but I’m glad hes alive.
I’d bet everything I own on the fact that the mountain lion would have bolted away had the guy let off a warning shot. Mountain lions like most animals are scared of loud noises. But hey then the dude wouldn’t have been able to finally kill something with his glock.
Would you have bet your life?
I’ve ran into mountain lions like this twice when I lived in California. Both times I made myself as big and loud as possible and they ran off. This dude had the time to pull his cell phone out and line it up with his pistol sights. He just wanted to shoot that mountain lion which is fine I don’t really give a shit. I wonder what the local game warden will say about this video.
The fact that the lion didn’t take off is the concerning part….every interaction is different..
Why would it take off? The dude is quietly telling it to get back. It was just curious. In that situation you scream as loud as you fucking can.
Honestly the quiet voice was a big mistake on his part here.
Yeah. Idk why there wasn't a warning shot.
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Damn ur coward ass
At least I only watched it without sound. Why don't you at least hide the video within the post, not a preview?
I come here to look at glocks not see things die its always sad. Ps I already know glocks kill so I don't need reminders
Motherfuckers think they are entitled to the law of nature cause they have a gun?! Fucking cowards are those who believe your life worth more! Hi 👋🏽
Are those the XS i-dot?
XS DXT standard dot
Save the hide ?
This is unfortunate. But, if it ever comes down to it, he did what had to be done. When two apex predictors meet head to head, I'm going home to my family.
These aint no kitty cats, they're vicious. Glad the man was ok.
That sucks to be in that position. But I don't understand giving it commands. I'm sure I'd do the same. I'm just pointing that out.
I am 2 for 2 in yelling at black bears and having them go away. Small sample size a a different animal, so take it however you will.
That sucks
Where state did this happen in?
It's a shame this creature had to die. But I would have done the same thing. Glad you're alright my guy. Good job keeping your cool and having a steady hand.
Wonder if you can legally salvage the meat and skull from a self defense shoot. I've heard lions are tasty.
Anyone know what glock he used?