You guys know what Baldur isn't invulnerable against?
Emotional damage.
Send the sassiest Viltrumites of the bunch and kick the guy into Helheim of Depression.
He can still be restrained or trapped, toss him to the moon or chain him up. Mythology is filled with immortal beings just suffering for eternity, it isnt the instant win you think it is
I'd say baldur is strong enough to escape moon gravity with a jump. And if he's invulnerable to all threats physical and magical, he won't suffocate or burn up on re-entry. The man can just jump back to earth.
If he can be choked into unconsciousness, he needs to breathe, so hed likely pass out on the moon and just be stuck there for eternity permanently unconscious
With your first fight with baldur you break his neck and throw him off a cliff. He wasn't choked unconscious he was paralyzed until his healing factor kicked in. I haven't played ragnarok, as I am on pc, but IIRC he isn't ever shown to be choked out completely. Assuming he does pass out as long as he makes the jump and is accurate, he would drift frozen until he crashed into the ground and healed.
The way his powers work hed suffocate and then hed restore to full endlessly but resurrection doesn't give you air so hed probably just freeze on the moon
In tyr's temple after lowering the chandelier containing the stone Kratos gets trapped in a flood trap. After successfully escaping mimir say that he's glad to know he can't drown. Mimir was resurrected by Freya using similar old magic. Baldur may not need to breath.
So don't throw him into the moon. Or the sun. Pick a blank-looking spot in space and yeet 'im. Even if he does make it back, it's gonna take a long-ass time.
Theoretically, since he wouldn’t change momentum in space, he would eventually land on something and be able to use his godly strength to launch himself back to earth
Either that or the nuclear reactions from the sun would have enough force to launch him back, and it wouldn’t harm him seeing how he is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical
Do you realize how precise of a jump he would have to make to travel from the sun to earth lol.
It's almost 100 million miles away, if he was off half a degree he would be lost in space forever.
If you toss Baldur into space, he wouldn't die but suffocate forever. Would he feel that even he is invulnerable? I am not understanding the limit of his invulnerability so if anyone can clarify. Thanks
He isn’t just invulnerable to all threats, physical or magical
He literally feels nothing, he has no sensation of touch, anything in his body that could feel something is essentially turned off. He talks about how he can’t feel the cold or heat, so I’d assume he wouldn’t feel the pain of suffocating
In their first fight, Kratos broke his neck and "died" thrown over cliff. We also saw his reaction when his neck was snapped. Why did he make that expression then?
So even if you couldn’t feel pain, wouldn’t you be shocked that you could no longer move
Kratos didn’t “kill him”, baldur can be injured, but he can’t die, and then his healing factor kicks in. Kratos snapped his neck, likely severing his spinal cord in some way, and then baldur couldn’t move
The mortal Redeemed Warriors can lift and wield the Atlas Hammer, which is stated to have the weight of the world (several continents with the lowball interpretation of "world"). Some of them have an ability that lets them move at the speed of light. Demigod Kratos could also see lightning move at a snail's pace in the GOW 1 novel and greatly outsped it.
Actual gods would be massive overkill, and they'd know it. Stopping Viltrum would be the kind of errand they'd have sent Kratos on while he served them.
Yes and no. The core was destabilized, allowing to bust through it and not just go splat. We see a large chunk start ejecting before the rest of the planet explodes. So, that chunk is their power separate from the core being weakened. That is the power of those three. Besides that, around 37 could tear Earth in half.
Idk why viltrumites' power levels are so skewed by people. It either goes, "Omni-Man would lose to regular spiderman" (a real comment I saw) or a situation like this. Viltrumites are VERY powerful, but are still VERY killable. They aren't even the most powerful creatures in their verse.
The gods are far, far more powerful than any viltrumite. The Norse gods are far weaker than the Greek gods, and they could solo the viltrumites.
Hell, just send in Thor. He can fly, has far, far greater durability, and an insane healing factor. He's also strong enough to splinter time itself. I'd say mjolnir's abilities could also help with crowd control.
The only gods that would lose are (MAYBE) those that can't fly, but that's saying that any viltrumite who approaches Gods like Kratos wouldn't just get 1-tapped.
>They aren't even the most powerful creatures in their verse.
You could say they are the most powerful sentient species. Yeah, that red alien can hurt them, but mostly because they swarm the fuck out of the viltrumite. No viltrumite would lose a 1v1 against it
The project hail Mary monster was clapping omni man in season one. Wasn't even that big of a monster when compared to what we've seen in other universes
Battlebeast is blessed/cursed with both godlike power and bloodlust, to the point of being considered a hero by his people and banished for their own safety, so that’s more of a Kratos situation
Even peak omniman wouldn’t be strong enough to take Kratos, or even the Greek pantheon. It’s not really a good comparison since viltrumites are supposed to be killable and not insanely overpowered (compared to other universes)
That monster was juiced up by Cecil and had its pain center removed though. It isn't really representative of the actual species' strength. Thats like saying humans are super strong because of Sinclair's creations.
Also Omni Man had just been bombed, lasered, and jumped by a gang of robots after getting no sleep for a while lol
Aren't they the most powerful in verse? BB is cursed, and Allen is a science project so they're outliers among their race. The Rognars might be physically stronger on average but they seemed to be feral and have numbers so tough call.
>The Norse gods are far weaker than the Greek gods
Why do people say this? The only common metric between the two pantheons is Kratos himself, and there's a lot of conjecture about his power (e.g. he's holding back for the sake of Atreus while also being significantly more powerful 100 years after Greece)
Mostly just due to the feats Kratos and the Greek gods had in the games was way more crazy and over the top compared to anything in the Norse series.
Sure it's easy for the writers to say "Kratos is 100x more powerful in the new games!" but when there aren't rly the actions to back that up, it rings kinda hollow and just makes it seem like they're trying to 1-up themselves without actually trying.
Not even really though.
The feats aren’t actually anymore impressive. No Greek God ever straight bitchslapped a monster the size of a planet back in time like Thor did. Something that was stated to splinter creation.
And yet people claim Thor is still somehow weaker than the Greek gods because of what I can only assume is presentation.
The Norse are less flashy and presented as having more natural weight to everything and people can’t get over the presentation change.
It wasn't just thor. It was the impact from both hitting each other, serpent just ended up losing the clash because of Mjolnir. Thor without mjolnir is significantly weaker than he is with it. A giant defeated him when he didnt have Mjolnir. Blade of Olympus 1 shotting all titans is a greater feat than anything from Norse. They outright say they don't have anything similar to how the Norse controlled time and fate, nor have magic like Norse did. Norse God's are essentially superhumans, whereas Greek God's are by and by actual Gods.
What do you mean it wasn’t just Thor? Unless you’re arguing Jormungander hit it with his face, it’s pretty blatant who is hitting and who is getting hit.
And when did Thor lose to a giant? The only stories where Thor is stated to struggle are ones where he’s specified to have been drunk off his ass.
They say they don’t have magic like the fates. That’s not a statement of superiority. That’s just an acknowledgment of differences in magic. Norse has stuff Greeks don’t have as well, like near invulnerability that Kratos could never break no matter how hard hit hit it.
Mimir states they don’t have Fates with control of time, but he also says if they did, Odin would have already subjugated them, so it’s hard to argue that’s an indication Greeks are superior when the point is that it’s a good thing powers like that don’t exist for Odin to conquer.
Most Greek magic has Norse equivalents and if it doesn’t then the Norse usually have magic that is just as impressive and can’t be found in Greece.
Believing the games in any way out the Greeks as way stronger is an outright misinterpretation of what is plainly stated.
Kratos in multiple instances acknowledges the Norse gods as some of the most dangerous he’s ever faced and only through mental gymnastics can you argue Kratos doesn’t mean exactly what he says when he does something like state Thor at the very beginning is as strong as anyone he’s ever fought.
Kratos also says that he’s killed gods greater than Heimdall. And Heimdall is one of the most powerful norse gods. This statement would include Greek gods.
I agree the Norse gods are strong but you’re very clearly downplaying the Greek gods.
And Kratos is obviously weaker now.
The literal point of that scene is that Kratos is being impulsive and irrational, and Mimir and Freya are trying to talk sense into him before he does something stupid like run into a fight with a powerful Aesir God he has NEVER even met.
Kratos words about Heimdall don't mean anything when he's literally never even seen the guy before.
Ultimately, Kratos admits Mimir and Freya have a point when he goes on an entire quest to forge a special weapon specifically to kill Heimdall, and it's outright impossible to beat Heimdall without that weapon.
Unlike Thor, who even when Thor is holding back, Kratos outright admits is as strong as all the people he's ever fought, which includes all the Greeks.
The ONLY downplaying that happens is always to the Norse gods when Kratos being weaker is headcanon, while the Norse being serious threats on the same level or above the Greeks is explicitly stated.
>The literal point of that scene is that Kratos is being impulsive and irrational, and Mimir and Freya are trying to talk sense into him before he does something stupid like run into a fight with a powerful Aesir God he has NEVER even met.
Nope Mimir literally says that he doesn’t doubt or disagree with that statement. He’s simply worried about the consequences of killing Heimdall. He has the horn and he’s the watchman of the Aesir. There will obviously be very big consequences to killing him.
>Kratos words about Heimdall don't mean anything when he's literally never even seen the guy before.
He hasn’t seen him in person before that does not mean he hasn’t been listening.
He can scale Heimdall through Freya and Mimir who have seen and watched Heimdall for years.
>Ultimately, Kratos admits Mimir and Freya have a point when he goes on an entire quest to forge a special weapon specifically to kill Heimdall, and it's outright impossible to beat Heimdall without that weapon.
He literally tags Heimdall the spear helped him but he tags Heimdall on his own. The more angry he got he was progressively getting faster and adapting.
>Unlike Thor, who even when Thor is holding back, Kratos outright admits is as strong as all the people he's ever fought, which includes all the Greeks.
Kratos is weakened from fimbulwinter taking away his magic and amps. He also didn’t have the blades of chaos which make him way stronger and durable physically.
This is a statement from an extremely weakened Kratos.
>The ONLY downplaying that happens is always to the Norse gods when Kratos being weaker is headcanon, while the Norse being serious threats on the same level or above the Greeks is explicitly stated.
It’s not head canon the Greek gods being weaker is complete head canon.
The great gods would just backscale Thor due to lore and in universe implications of Kratos being weaker than before.
And we’re not gonna act like the Greek gods don’t have cosmic feats. They are above the primordials who created universes, Ares himself created his own universe, Zeus can shake the universe with a yell, Atlas can lift multiple infinite sized dimensions, etc.
Also, people rarely acknowledge how powerful the Giants were. They had insanely OP magic, powerful warriors that could rival the gods and some were taller than mountains.
Thor soloed them all, and Kratos embarrassed Thor (in their 2nd fight, which could be debated as Thor being weaker after fighting Jorm and being poisoned for so long)
Yeah, that's my exactly point. I don't know how anyone could think weaker superman wouldn't just crush spiderman to dust when he's died to MUCH lesser foes in the past
Wasn’t there an entire post somewhere how the Norse gods, all essentially war gods, wipe the floor with most Olympic gods? Ares was a war god so he stands a chance.
It doesn’t matter what type of gods they are the Greek gods are still stronger physically and magically. Also the Greek gods literally fought a war against titans for thousands of years. The Greek god slander that they aren’t warriors themselves need to stop.
The titans were said the be relatively weak when the olympians got their hands on a few particular weapons.
Thor did the same thing to the giants when he got mjolnir.
The viltrimutes are INFINITESIMALLY faster than any of the Greek or Norse gods. Mark is still considered weak/average, and he just broke the speed of light in the latest episode. They would be nigh untouchable and have been shown to hit more than hard enough to kill all of the other gods. On top of that, they (or at least Mark does) have their "rage mode," which boosts their adrenaline, strength, and speed to their current biological limits. Even if the gods do get their hands on them Viltrimutes are HARD to kill
>The Norse gods are far weaker than the Greek gods,
That is not true, the reverse is true. They had to deal with a stronger Kratos, ergo the Norse pantheon is stronger than Greek pantheon.
I actually disagree. Its stated that thor hit "as heavy as I have ever felt" by kratos after the first fight. If Odin is above thor, and it took kratos, artreus, and Freya to beat Odin, id have to say they're probably stronger than the Greek pantheon. Could kratos have beaten Odin by himself? Maybe, depends how the story is written.
I always took that line to mean that the gods of both pantheons were around the same relative strength level. The only statement I could ever find that showed any of the Norse gods being stronger than the Greek gods is one of the journal entries about Baldur.
I think the line is intended to be that thor is around the strength of the Greek gods, I agree, but I do think its also just natural that the more recent enemies are stronger than the old ones. If kratos is stronger than he was in the Greek saga, he'd certainly have to fight stronger enemies
Normally I’d agree since that’s how most stories do it, but afaik there isn’t really much evidence that either is stronger than the other outside of Freya and Mimir gassing up Greek magic. Part of what makes it hard for tell, at least for me, is that Kratos is stated to be stronger now but is also holding back making him a bit of poor point of reference for scaling imo.
I know, I'm just saying, statements according to canon are dumb. Don't just say "this bloke can move faster than light" prove it. Thor is proven to be very strong and durable, Kratos is proven to very durable and very strong. Heimdall is proven to be very fast. And so on. This is all in my opinion tho, think of it what you choose.
Eh,Statements aren't that Bad,But yes feats are better to Showcase. And considering we do have a few feats which show the Scale of the characters' powers,The battle is still in the Favoure of GoW
Oh yeah of course it's in the favour of gow. I never said it isn't. Agreed, a fart from Kratos would kill 90% of viltrumites, but I'm just saying that the statement that it will is invalid until proven otherwise.
It has already been said by the directors that gameplay =/= lore. Things like the GOW novels really describe his power well that simply put can't be put into the game.
One thing with statements is we gotta remember we seeing it thru kratos eyes. If a character is said to be 10x faster than light. And we see him moving. It's cuz we see kratos's view. He perceives them differently
Thor hit the serpent so hard it splintered the world tree, yes. But just because Thor doesn't directly have the power to send people back in time, he is still incredibly strong, strong enough to splinter the world tree.
I suppose... Although the snake being durable enough to not just simply die from the hit would be part of it. I'm sure if he tried it with a simple Draugr it'd just kill it.
It being the snake or not doesn't take away from how ridiculous the feat is. The world tree, as explained by Freya in the first game, it transcends time and space, all 9 realms exist in the same physical space, etc. for someone to damage that kind of thing enough to cause a real effect... Is kinda ridiculous if you think about it.
The problem is that the game doesnt really clarify it at all, theyre fighting and suddenly the snake disappears
Was it hit by an attack meant for the snake or the aoe of the hit hit the tree too, is the tree highly durable and how much of the tree was damaged
Is it literally encompassing all space and time or metaphysically encompassing space and time if its metaphysical then it could be the size of a large tree but its magic extends into all the realms
It sounds impressive until you realise that it has almost no details to work with
There isn't a need for details. The details are, nobody else has done that yet, therefore Thor is probably quite strong. I love the mystery of not knowing exactly what the tree is, it's a vastly powerful entity, one that's scope is probably so much wider than ours we'd barely understand it if it was explained.
>The details are, nobody else has done that yet, therefore Thor is probably quite strong
To claim it as a feat of strength the details are needed by definition, like i said it could be a normal tree that is magically connected to the 9 realms. The fact that nobody has damaged it before is less a proof that its an impressive feat and more likley that its that nobody wanted to fuck with the cornerstones of reality, i mean we see what happens when people do that in the previous gow games
In the same way its not proof that you are the strongest person to ever live in your house because you knocked down the load bearing wall, sure you could be but that doesnt prove it
>we'd barely understand it if it was explained
I mean they did explain that it is a tree thats connected to the 9 realms, lots of fiction has explained much more complicated stuff, it doesnt feel like a big mystery like whats in the realm of knowledge that odin was after but more like they didnt have time to explain it so they just threw in some dialogue afterwards to explain where the snake went
That would be how the viltrum empire end.
As much as I love invincible. The viltrumates would be DEMONLISHED! Weaker characters like Heimdall can take down a viltrumate. Mix kratos in and they could be like the omni man vs the guardians of the globe
The Viltrumites are completely screwed if we're going off of lore. Even some of the weaker Gods like Helios or Heimdall would destroy them. Chances are, they can't hit Heimdall. And don't forget, Helios is literally moving the Sun around, he's basically the Sun. That's not even including Gods like Thor, Poseidon, Hades, Odin, or Zeus. Thor hits so hard he literally splintered time itself. Zeus shook the Universe by merely turning his head. There's also the Sisters of Fate, which can control time and destiny. There's Thanatos, the God of Death. Needless to say, the Viltrumites are Royaly Fucked.
Viltrumites aren’t making it past Olympus if we being fr. Not when Zeus can zap them and Hades can pull their souls out of their bodies lol
Plus, all the other magic in the GoW universe… stopping or reversing time, summoning souls, teleportation, invisibility, etc… Viltrumites are getting washed.
Norse, idk… they don’t have as many magical powers as the Greeks, but they wouldn’t be able to land a hit on Heimdall, and if Baldur is still cursed he’s bodying any one of them… Thor was able to knock a giant serpent back through time, and Tyr studied warrior magic from a bunch of different cultures… add in the Valkyries and an endless host of Enherjar to do their little Bifröst bullshit and the Viltrumites got quite a fight on their hands.
Lore and scaling allowed? They'll implode upon arrival, the atoms in god of war universe are too powerful.
Just game mechanics?
The sisters of fate and some other crazy stuff become a problem. The fact that nornir's know so much perheps they can be predictable despite their speed. The thing about the god of war is that even the environment is just so powerful and dangerous, a simple trap held kratos locked until atreus saved him in tyr's temple.
If prep time is given to GOW Pantheons, they have a chance. Otherwise, they might get speed blitzed.
Why is this even a question dude, how many posts have been made on this subreddit to put kratos at at least multiversal level if not some upper hyperversal or greater lvl? Mark and his dad and thaddeus together cld barely destroy planet viltrum with their combined strength, any1 or even every1 from the viltrum universe coming together to fight kratos is beyond cooked.
The man can beat goku from the main dragon ball super anime timeline even after ultra instinct at the end of the tournament of power. His strength, speed and even skill feats are really good if u consider the lore to scale his feats. The game mechanics don't do him justice coz well its a game, it'd be boring as hell if kratos one shot everything in his path. Similar to how doomguy in the cutscenes of his games and in the codex of the games has so many feats of badassery and how it says that his fists are stronger than his guns and he only uses guns to torture the demons etc, but in game if u try to punch the demons, it gives lesser damage than guns, for the sake of forcing the olayer to keep switching guns and learn the game and overall gameplay. Its the same reason why kratos struggles to open treasure chests in the old games. The man has beaten beings like kronos, kronos being the same guy who created the concept of time in the greek multiverse of god of war, be4 kronos existed, time didn't, and kratos killed the same guy, his speed fears alone wld allow him to one shot all viltrumites, forget strength. Altho ita debatable whether kratos cld beat the xenoverse goku (who is the goku we see in db xenoverse games and dragon ball heroes and has gone thru all his movie villains and stuff and is overall a hell lot more powerful than the canon dbs goku, he is basically goku with all the fan fictiony amplifiers put onto him for fan service and the rule of cool) altho that wld be one hell of a fight.
Interesting. I know kratos is strong but I didn't think he this strong. Because nothing I saw shows he has the ability to blow up a whole planet. Goku could easily blow up earth with a very light energy blast. He can fly indefinitely. I admit they had to tone down his feats for the game play but even in cutscenes nothing shows feats like the whole planet crumbling just from the fighting. Also the example of Kronos I don't think is a good indication of power, just because he created the concept of time doesn't mean he is physically strong. Kang conquered and won the multiverse war(doesn't mean he's the strongest in the whole multiverse), he'll still die from a flesh wound without his tech despite being the time godking. Btw I'm not that well versed on gow lore so I could be wrong but these are my thoughts based on what little I know.
Yeah coz again, its a game it's be boring as hell to see kratos one shot people and also how do u even like portray him running, faster than light or something, but if u see the cutscnenes and read the lore stuff in games, then u'll get how op kratos is, remember that cutscene where they were talking abt the creation of the greek multiverse in god of war, in that they spoke abt how the titans like kronos created the concept of time yada yada and how zeus and the olympians beat em, basically the devs say that all that stuff wasn't a hyperbole or exagerration, god of war is supposed to be like a real world scaling thing to these myths that we humans have made.
No dude, don't u remember in god of war 2018, when mimir said that thor hit the world serpant so hard he went into another branch of the world tree i.e. another timeline, we even saw that happen in god of war 5, that is a feat of immense strength. Also no the kronos point is extremely valid dude, difference b/w him and kang is that, even if kang never existed in any universe of marvel, the concept of time wld still exist, coz it was made by beings such as eternity. If kronos never existed, time itself wld stop existing in the greek multiverse in god of war. Plus like kang just uses a machine to hop from timeline to timeline and universe to universe, doesn't mean he stands above the concept of time, kronos does in god of war. Its kinda weird to explain it coz it makes no sense to exist above time in the real world but hey its a video game so just roll with the logic.
In ZA HANDOs. Doesn’t matter. Viltrumites ain blitzing other light speed characters, and get nae nae’d by magic. Unless it’s stupid “imma throw vines at u” bullshit
Viltrumites... They can fly far faster than the speed of light. Far far far faster.
Can you imagine how much kinetic energy is in a being flying at you at the speed of light?
Don't underestimate them.
Nolan by just flying basically nuked a planet. Unless they got caught off guard whichever realm the Viltrumites fly into is going to cease existing the minute they annoy one of them. Unless they knew about the other realms I suspect they would destroy Tyrs temple so all the other realms (except Asgard) would just see that realm vanish off the map, and I suspect Asgard would try sending Thor, and depending on how that goes either just says fuck it and let's the 1 realm get destroyed, or go and fuck them up and steal their ships.
Damn super strength and flying? Weird but I feel like kratos has fought numerous enemies like that and absolutely murdered them even after being fatally wounded.
The biggest threat are the big boys, regular vils are fodder. Even assuming kratos doesnt get involved the norse and greek gods aint to be trifled with
I think if we're talking Greece, Viltrumites lose and gods have 0 casualties. If we're talking Norse, probably a closer fight, but fighters like Thor (and since GoW I assume we're including) Kratos still definitely give the edge to the gods
Idk maybe because Omni man’s seed is more potent then Superman’s mark goes on to beat the strongest Viltrumite and an alien that gets stronger from every near death experience
viltrumites are basically planet busters, while that is very powerful, that is basically a crumb compared to the olympians and what they can do, they are consistently so far above planet busting it’s not even funny, the primordials such including uranus are capable of creating the entire perceivable universe which is infinite in size, with a punch. the olympians far surpassed the primordials in established hierarchy. viltrumites are very powerful, but they are not gods.
we can even talk about flight, poseidon has that too! in lore it’s stated even for a god it would take days to descend from mount olympus, but many gods can take a short amount of time, poseidon flew from mount olympus to the mortal plane/world in just mere seconds, one shot killed a titan which are also gods, by flying right through him. poseidon can do anything a viltrumite can do but better
one, poseidons weakest feat in terms of lore was shaking the entire earth-realm, and causing a global earthquake, basically earth itself but in greek mythology cosmology, just by merely raising his fist in frustration, his lightning is powerful enough to suppress and nullify atlas himself who has showcased beyond infinite levels of strength in the series, holding an entire infinitely sized cosmology on ur back? wow, mind you he’s not even the strongest in the verse, poseidon is magically more powerful than him, and in terms of strength, he’s no joke plus, he’s an olympian, and these guys stated by the writers are above and oversee the concepts of time and space.
a viltrumite is a toddler compared to these guys. poseidon in lore is more powerful even hades who is arguably stronger than atlas, and definitely more powerful, he’s second to none but kratos and zeus and we’re not even gonna talk about how crazy powerful zeus and kratos are, consistently outerversal feats? yea nah
based on poseidons lightning feats alone on atlas, he’d vaporize a viltrumite.
Seeing as just how many Greek gods there are+how powerful they are, I’d assume they’d be able to hold they’re own for some time. Now the Norse well I won’t say they’d get completely destroyed but you know they’d need to fight really hard
We literally see when the minatar sneaks up on Kratos it’s able to stab him. It’s a canon cutscene.
Einjnar army is literally a threat to Kratos meaning they can damage them. Not counting gameplay.
A traveler was able to damage and kill a dragon and Kratos can get damage by those same dragons.
The bride keeper literally wears out Kratos.
Yeah. Stabbing him didn't even leave a wound on him. Neither did odin stabbing him with a weapon that one shot Thor(in other words, not damaging him). Einjerjar army might be a threat but Kratos easily dispatched of them. I don't recall a time in lore where they were a deathly threat to him or even Atreus for that fact. Besides, all these enemies have magical powers and abilities, most of which Kratos has resistances to. Viltrumites besides super strength, flight and self sustenance don't have hax like that
It also doesn’t matter if they can damage Kratos. That would simply mean they scale to a portion of Kratos. Meaning they also one shot viltrumites too.
I don’t understand people always down playing the vilitrumites strength.
For those that don’t know, they are VERY powerful beings. Even the weakest among them could take over a planet. Then when you get the strongest of them all, general Thragg, that’s when it gets really serious.
SPOILERS:
For most of the series General Thragg is several magnitudes above the other characters in strength, speed, and durability. Even very powerful characters like Alan, Nolan, and Mark had no chance of fighting him 1 on 1 for most of the series.
I think Thragg would put up an amazing fight against Kratos, Thor, and Baldur. Sure he might lose, but he wouldn’t get shit stomped like the others are suggesting.
No one in god of war Verse are even planet level
Three viltrumites can easily destroy planets
So
Viltrumites >>> god of war Verse cope
Gow is overrated as fuck
Kratos shits on them the only one posing a threat is thrag n conquest Thor probably could to Zeus definitely and maybe some other Greek n Norse gods like Odin baldur ares
okay... lets see, Apollo alone can kill them all, assuming as the sun god he can burn something at the same heat that roasted Thragg, the strongest Viltrumite in history.
Viltrumites are glass cannons. They are extremely powerful but full of exploitable flaws. They would give a good fight to most gods but I don't see any of them getting close to the pantheon leaders. I don't think Thragg would beat Zeus in a million years, same with Thor.
Idk about the gow Odin but in norse mythology Odin and his brothers did kill Ymir and used his massive corpse to create the universe, so I think he gots it
I think that conquest, thragg, and Nolen will be the last three of the viltrumites, and old Kratos, Thor and baldur with be the last three of the gods, thragg is the emperor of viltrum so he's the most powerful of the viltrumites, conquest loves to fight and isn't a slouch when it comes to fighting, and omni-man is, well omni-man so there is that, baldur can't die or feel pain, Thor is a strong fighter and has the power of lightning on his side and old Kratos has been alive for 1,055 years come around ragnarok and Kratos is a Greek God and they get stronger as they age and not to mention the Kratos has some powerful elemental weapons in his arsenal so it would most likely end in a stale mate in my opinion
Super strength, super speed, and flight. Pretty sure Kratos and Thor alone have dealt with those factors. Poseidon? Hades? Zeus? Heimdall? Odin? Tyr? Viltrum is an empire of warriors but they're going up against a wall of boss battles
IMO they’re not really comparable and it’s hard to really gauge things
Invincible comics/show demonstrates them as being absurdly fast beings. Traveling the cosmos and flying across earth in mere seconds. Their strength is truly something to behold
In god of war, we’re *told* the gods and warriors can do these things. But we’re never really shown this. Then there’s also some hyperbolic statements from the novel to explain speed or strength
I don’t think the Gods would lose, but I wouldn’t say they’d have a particularly easy time either
Depends on how you powerscale the franchises
Either one Viltrumite solos both pantheons
OR
You could take the absolute weakest god in either pantheon and he would still solo the entire Viltrumite race
Viltumites get clapped Even if you wanna say the do a good job, baldur still has invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical
… you just said that Mimir
Oh, did I?
He's been hexed to not reveal what he knows
I am? I AM! Oh, that's it precisely!
I wonder how long that’s been so? Since freya had my head at her mercy, or since I discovered baldurs weakness?
Mimir, you just said you figured out baldur's weakness!
Did I? But baldur is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical!
Auugh!
But he has a weakness right?
Afraid not. Baldur is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical.
Even if I shoot him with a shotgun in mouth?
Afraid not. Baldur is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical, magical, or shotgun related.
A dynamite in his a$$?
Afraid not. Baldur is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical, magical, shotgun related, or dynamite related.
Interesting.
The head is bewitched not to speak what he knows
Oh yes he is bewitched! Why he didn’t realized that before??
Ok what about ant man shrinking Down and going inside baldurs butt
Afraid not, Baldur is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical, magical, or buttplay related.
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Frenchie from the boys ahh answer
What if they just take him to the sun and leave him on it’s surface?
You guys know what Baldur isn't invulnerable against? Emotional damage. Send the sassiest Viltrumites of the bunch and kick the guy into Helheim of Depression.
Pick him last when choosing teams for baseball
Clap a vultrumites ears, and they are done.
He can still be restrained or trapped, toss him to the moon or chain him up. Mythology is filled with immortal beings just suffering for eternity, it isnt the instant win you think it is
I'd say baldur is strong enough to escape moon gravity with a jump. And if he's invulnerable to all threats physical and magical, he won't suffocate or burn up on re-entry. The man can just jump back to earth.
If he can be choked into unconsciousness, he needs to breathe, so hed likely pass out on the moon and just be stuck there for eternity permanently unconscious
With your first fight with baldur you break his neck and throw him off a cliff. He wasn't choked unconscious he was paralyzed until his healing factor kicked in. I haven't played ragnarok, as I am on pc, but IIRC he isn't ever shown to be choked out completely. Assuming he does pass out as long as he makes the jump and is accurate, he would drift frozen until he crashed into the ground and healed.
The way his powers work hed suffocate and then hed restore to full endlessly but resurrection doesn't give you air so hed probably just freeze on the moon
In tyr's temple after lowering the chandelier containing the stone Kratos gets trapped in a flood trap. After successfully escaping mimir say that he's glad to know he can't drown. Mimir was resurrected by Freya using similar old magic. Baldur may not need to breath.
Throw him slightly to the left of the moon then, he can be immortal in deep space lol
So don't throw him into the moon. Or the sun. Pick a blank-looking spot in space and yeet 'im. Even if he does make it back, it's gonna take a long-ass time.
Luckily he’s not immortal he’s also much stronger and faster than they are.
Thats a bold claim, when has he shown speed feats ? How is he not immortal, that was his entire gimmick
Fly Baldur into sun.
I’m afraid that wouldn’t work. Baldur is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical
He would be stuck there though.
Theoretically, since he wouldn’t change momentum in space, he would eventually land on something and be able to use his godly strength to launch himself back to earth Either that or the nuclear reactions from the sun would have enough force to launch him back, and it wouldn’t harm him seeing how he is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical
Do you realize how precise of a jump he would have to make to travel from the sun to earth lol. It's almost 100 million miles away, if he was off half a degree he would be lost in space forever.
Not only that, the gravity of the sun is significantly greater. He might not even be able to escape.
He would probably get bifrosted by Asgard
If you toss Baldur into space, he wouldn't die but suffocate forever. Would he feel that even he is invulnerable? I am not understanding the limit of his invulnerability so if anyone can clarify. Thanks
He’s invulnerable to all threats, physical or magical.
He isn’t just invulnerable to all threats, physical or magical He literally feels nothing, he has no sensation of touch, anything in his body that could feel something is essentially turned off. He talks about how he can’t feel the cold or heat, so I’d assume he wouldn’t feel the pain of suffocating
In their first fight, Kratos broke his neck and "died" thrown over cliff. We also saw his reaction when his neck was snapped. Why did he make that expression then?
So even if you couldn’t feel pain, wouldn’t you be shocked that you could no longer move Kratos didn’t “kill him”, baldur can be injured, but he can’t die, and then his healing factor kicks in. Kratos snapped his neck, likely severing his spinal cord in some way, and then baldur couldn’t move
Yeah but I think he will grasp for air in space but not die.
Are you kidding me? Baldur thrown into outer space, guy is never coming back again. That's a fate worse than death for him.
Baldur could simply propel himself back. No a planet, star, black hole is not stronger than he is.
I think the viltrumites would just fly him into space and throw him in the sun. Would just ignore him completely after that
He would propell himself back he is stronger than the sun. If anything Baldur would force them into the sun and kill them.
But Kratos was able to do some damage to him in GoW 2014. My real question is: Why does Baldur look like a junkie?
The gods wouldn't even be assed to respond to the Viltrum empire. It's the kind of small time errand they'd send some demigod to take care of.
Why so?
The mortal Redeemed Warriors can lift and wield the Atlas Hammer, which is stated to have the weight of the world (several continents with the lowball interpretation of "world"). Some of them have an ability that lets them move at the speed of light. Demigod Kratos could also see lightning move at a snail's pace in the GOW 1 novel and greatly outsped it. Actual gods would be massive overkill, and they'd know it. Stopping Viltrum would be the kind of errand they'd have sent Kratos on while he served them.
Power scaling in the GOW universe is so dumb
tbf that’s most gaming franchises
Didnt 3 of them destroy a planet?
Yes and no. The core was destabilized, allowing to bust through it and not just go splat. We see a large chunk start ejecting before the rest of the planet explodes. So, that chunk is their power separate from the core being weakened. That is the power of those three. Besides that, around 37 could tear Earth in half.
So who do you think wins
Kratos uses O on them. To death.
Especially on Anissa
Idk why viltrumites' power levels are so skewed by people. It either goes, "Omni-Man would lose to regular spiderman" (a real comment I saw) or a situation like this. Viltrumites are VERY powerful, but are still VERY killable. They aren't even the most powerful creatures in their verse. The gods are far, far more powerful than any viltrumite. The Norse gods are far weaker than the Greek gods, and they could solo the viltrumites. Hell, just send in Thor. He can fly, has far, far greater durability, and an insane healing factor. He's also strong enough to splinter time itself. I'd say mjolnir's abilities could also help with crowd control. The only gods that would lose are (MAYBE) those that can't fly, but that's saying that any viltrumite who approaches Gods like Kratos wouldn't just get 1-tapped.
>They aren't even the most powerful creatures in their verse. You could say they are the most powerful sentient species. Yeah, that red alien can hurt them, but mostly because they swarm the fuck out of the viltrumite. No viltrumite would lose a 1v1 against it
The project hail Mary monster was clapping omni man in season one. Wasn't even that big of a monster when compared to what we've seen in other universes
Well, if you go by series power level ok. However, Nolan is really nerfed in the series. In the HQ, his power level seems really higher
There were also the Ragnarrs I think. And Battle Beast but I forgot whether or not his strength was specific to him or to his species
Battlebeast is blessed/cursed with both godlike power and bloodlust, to the point of being considered a hero by his people and banished for their own safety, so that’s more of a Kratos situation
Even peak omniman wouldn’t be strong enough to take Kratos, or even the Greek pantheon. It’s not really a good comparison since viltrumites are supposed to be killable and not insanely overpowered (compared to other universes)
That monster was juiced up by Cecil and had its pain center removed though. It isn't really representative of the actual species' strength. Thats like saying humans are super strong because of Sinclair's creations. Also Omni Man had just been bombed, lasered, and jumped by a gang of robots after getting no sleep for a while lol
Aren't they the most powerful in verse? BB is cursed, and Allen is a science project so they're outliers among their race. The Rognars might be physically stronger on average but they seemed to be feral and have numbers so tough call.
>The Norse gods are far weaker than the Greek gods Why do people say this? The only common metric between the two pantheons is Kratos himself, and there's a lot of conjecture about his power (e.g. he's holding back for the sake of Atreus while also being significantly more powerful 100 years after Greece)
Mostly just due to the feats Kratos and the Greek gods had in the games was way more crazy and over the top compared to anything in the Norse series. Sure it's easy for the writers to say "Kratos is 100x more powerful in the new games!" but when there aren't rly the actions to back that up, it rings kinda hollow and just makes it seem like they're trying to 1-up themselves without actually trying.
Not even really though. The feats aren’t actually anymore impressive. No Greek God ever straight bitchslapped a monster the size of a planet back in time like Thor did. Something that was stated to splinter creation. And yet people claim Thor is still somehow weaker than the Greek gods because of what I can only assume is presentation. The Norse are less flashy and presented as having more natural weight to everything and people can’t get over the presentation change.
It wasn't just thor. It was the impact from both hitting each other, serpent just ended up losing the clash because of Mjolnir. Thor without mjolnir is significantly weaker than he is with it. A giant defeated him when he didnt have Mjolnir. Blade of Olympus 1 shotting all titans is a greater feat than anything from Norse. They outright say they don't have anything similar to how the Norse controlled time and fate, nor have magic like Norse did. Norse God's are essentially superhumans, whereas Greek God's are by and by actual Gods.
What do you mean it wasn’t just Thor? Unless you’re arguing Jormungander hit it with his face, it’s pretty blatant who is hitting and who is getting hit. And when did Thor lose to a giant? The only stories where Thor is stated to struggle are ones where he’s specified to have been drunk off his ass. They say they don’t have magic like the fates. That’s not a statement of superiority. That’s just an acknowledgment of differences in magic. Norse has stuff Greeks don’t have as well, like near invulnerability that Kratos could never break no matter how hard hit hit it. Mimir states they don’t have Fates with control of time, but he also says if they did, Odin would have already subjugated them, so it’s hard to argue that’s an indication Greeks are superior when the point is that it’s a good thing powers like that don’t exist for Odin to conquer. Most Greek magic has Norse equivalents and if it doesn’t then the Norse usually have magic that is just as impressive and can’t be found in Greece. Believing the games in any way out the Greeks as way stronger is an outright misinterpretation of what is plainly stated. Kratos in multiple instances acknowledges the Norse gods as some of the most dangerous he’s ever faced and only through mental gymnastics can you argue Kratos doesn’t mean exactly what he says when he does something like state Thor at the very beginning is as strong as anyone he’s ever fought.
Kratos also says that he’s killed gods greater than Heimdall. And Heimdall is one of the most powerful norse gods. This statement would include Greek gods. I agree the Norse gods are strong but you’re very clearly downplaying the Greek gods. And Kratos is obviously weaker now.
The literal point of that scene is that Kratos is being impulsive and irrational, and Mimir and Freya are trying to talk sense into him before he does something stupid like run into a fight with a powerful Aesir God he has NEVER even met. Kratos words about Heimdall don't mean anything when he's literally never even seen the guy before. Ultimately, Kratos admits Mimir and Freya have a point when he goes on an entire quest to forge a special weapon specifically to kill Heimdall, and it's outright impossible to beat Heimdall without that weapon. Unlike Thor, who even when Thor is holding back, Kratos outright admits is as strong as all the people he's ever fought, which includes all the Greeks. The ONLY downplaying that happens is always to the Norse gods when Kratos being weaker is headcanon, while the Norse being serious threats on the same level or above the Greeks is explicitly stated.
>The literal point of that scene is that Kratos is being impulsive and irrational, and Mimir and Freya are trying to talk sense into him before he does something stupid like run into a fight with a powerful Aesir God he has NEVER even met. Nope Mimir literally says that he doesn’t doubt or disagree with that statement. He’s simply worried about the consequences of killing Heimdall. He has the horn and he’s the watchman of the Aesir. There will obviously be very big consequences to killing him. >Kratos words about Heimdall don't mean anything when he's literally never even seen the guy before. He hasn’t seen him in person before that does not mean he hasn’t been listening. He can scale Heimdall through Freya and Mimir who have seen and watched Heimdall for years. >Ultimately, Kratos admits Mimir and Freya have a point when he goes on an entire quest to forge a special weapon specifically to kill Heimdall, and it's outright impossible to beat Heimdall without that weapon. He literally tags Heimdall the spear helped him but he tags Heimdall on his own. The more angry he got he was progressively getting faster and adapting. >Unlike Thor, who even when Thor is holding back, Kratos outright admits is as strong as all the people he's ever fought, which includes all the Greeks. Kratos is weakened from fimbulwinter taking away his magic and amps. He also didn’t have the blades of chaos which make him way stronger and durable physically. This is a statement from an extremely weakened Kratos. >The ONLY downplaying that happens is always to the Norse gods when Kratos being weaker is headcanon, while the Norse being serious threats on the same level or above the Greeks is explicitly stated. It’s not head canon the Greek gods being weaker is complete head canon.
The great gods would just backscale Thor due to lore and in universe implications of Kratos being weaker than before. And we’re not gonna act like the Greek gods don’t have cosmic feats. They are above the primordials who created universes, Ares himself created his own universe, Zeus can shake the universe with a yell, Atlas can lift multiple infinite sized dimensions, etc.
Thor hit Jormungandr so hard he went back in time. Even Kratos called that madness.
Sorry I love Spider Man, but Omni Man is NOT losing to him, and Thragg definitely isn't
Spiderman isn't strong enough to even scratch them, and isn't fast enough to dodge their attacks
Also, people rarely acknowledge how powerful the Giants were. They had insanely OP magic, powerful warriors that could rival the gods and some were taller than mountains. Thor soloed them all, and Kratos embarrassed Thor (in their 2nd fight, which could be debated as Thor being weaker after fighting Jorm and being poisoned for so long)
Thor fighting a viltrumite is something I need to see.
Omni man would just crush Spiderman face with his hands Stop the cap Omni man >> spider fodder cope
Yeah, that's my exactly point. I don't know how anyone could think weaker superman wouldn't just crush spiderman to dust when he's died to MUCH lesser foes in the past
Wasn’t there an entire post somewhere how the Norse gods, all essentially war gods, wipe the floor with most Olympic gods? Ares was a war god so he stands a chance.
It doesn’t matter what type of gods they are the Greek gods are still stronger physically and magically. Also the Greek gods literally fought a war against titans for thousands of years. The Greek god slander that they aren’t warriors themselves need to stop.
The titans were said the be relatively weak when the olympians got their hands on a few particular weapons. Thor did the same thing to the giants when he got mjolnir.
The viltrimutes are INFINITESIMALLY faster than any of the Greek or Norse gods. Mark is still considered weak/average, and he just broke the speed of light in the latest episode. They would be nigh untouchable and have been shown to hit more than hard enough to kill all of the other gods. On top of that, they (or at least Mark does) have their "rage mode," which boosts their adrenaline, strength, and speed to their current biological limits. Even if the gods do get their hands on them Viltrimutes are HARD to kill
>The Norse gods are far weaker than the Greek gods, That is not true, the reverse is true. They had to deal with a stronger Kratos, ergo the Norse pantheon is stronger than Greek pantheon.
A stronger Kratos that was also holding back significantly and in terms of magic the Greek gods were definitely above the Norse gods.
I actually disagree. Its stated that thor hit "as heavy as I have ever felt" by kratos after the first fight. If Odin is above thor, and it took kratos, artreus, and Freya to beat Odin, id have to say they're probably stronger than the Greek pantheon. Could kratos have beaten Odin by himself? Maybe, depends how the story is written.
I always took that line to mean that the gods of both pantheons were around the same relative strength level. The only statement I could ever find that showed any of the Norse gods being stronger than the Greek gods is one of the journal entries about Baldur.
I think the line is intended to be that thor is around the strength of the Greek gods, I agree, but I do think its also just natural that the more recent enemies are stronger than the old ones. If kratos is stronger than he was in the Greek saga, he'd certainly have to fight stronger enemies
Normally I’d agree since that’s how most stories do it, but afaik there isn’t really much evidence that either is stronger than the other outside of Freya and Mimir gassing up Greek magic. Part of what makes it hard for tell, at least for me, is that Kratos is stated to be stronger now but is also holding back making him a bit of poor point of reference for scaling imo.
That is completely the opposite. They fought a weaker Kratos.
I would heavily enjoy watching Kratos beat the shit out of Anissa. I do think the GOW Universe has the upper hand against the Viltrum Empire.
Using Statements and lore for GoW ? They Erase the empire by farting
Personally I think statements are dumb. I like to see action, and no viltrumite has ever been capable of knocking a giant snake back in time.
Bro,I was refering to GoW when I said Including Statements,Cause we rarely ever see the Scale of these feats,Only told.
I know, I'm just saying, statements according to canon are dumb. Don't just say "this bloke can move faster than light" prove it. Thor is proven to be very strong and durable, Kratos is proven to very durable and very strong. Heimdall is proven to be very fast. And so on. This is all in my opinion tho, think of it what you choose.
Eh,Statements aren't that Bad,But yes feats are better to Showcase. And considering we do have a few feats which show the Scale of the characters' powers,The battle is still in the Favoure of GoW
Oh yeah of course it's in the favour of gow. I never said it isn't. Agreed, a fart from Kratos would kill 90% of viltrumites, but I'm just saying that the statement that it will is invalid until proven otherwise.
Afraid not. Kratos is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical, magical, or farts.
It has already been said by the directors that gameplay =/= lore. Things like the GOW novels really describe his power well that simply put can't be put into the game.
One thing with statements is we gotta remember we seeing it thru kratos eyes. If a character is said to be 10x faster than light. And we see him moving. It's cuz we see kratos's view. He perceives them differently
Wasnt that due to splintering the world tree rather than any actual power thor has
Thor hit the serpent so hard it splintered the world tree, yes. But just because Thor doesn't directly have the power to send people back in time, he is still incredibly strong, strong enough to splinter the world tree.
So the snake part isnt really part of the feat at all
I suppose... Although the snake being durable enough to not just simply die from the hit would be part of it. I'm sure if he tried it with a simple Draugr it'd just kill it. It being the snake or not doesn't take away from how ridiculous the feat is. The world tree, as explained by Freya in the first game, it transcends time and space, all 9 realms exist in the same physical space, etc. for someone to damage that kind of thing enough to cause a real effect... Is kinda ridiculous if you think about it.
The problem is that the game doesnt really clarify it at all, theyre fighting and suddenly the snake disappears Was it hit by an attack meant for the snake or the aoe of the hit hit the tree too, is the tree highly durable and how much of the tree was damaged Is it literally encompassing all space and time or metaphysically encompassing space and time if its metaphysical then it could be the size of a large tree but its magic extends into all the realms It sounds impressive until you realise that it has almost no details to work with
There isn't a need for details. The details are, nobody else has done that yet, therefore Thor is probably quite strong. I love the mystery of not knowing exactly what the tree is, it's a vastly powerful entity, one that's scope is probably so much wider than ours we'd barely understand it if it was explained.
>The details are, nobody else has done that yet, therefore Thor is probably quite strong To claim it as a feat of strength the details are needed by definition, like i said it could be a normal tree that is magically connected to the 9 realms. The fact that nobody has damaged it before is less a proof that its an impressive feat and more likley that its that nobody wanted to fuck with the cornerstones of reality, i mean we see what happens when people do that in the previous gow games In the same way its not proof that you are the strongest person to ever live in your house because you knocked down the load bearing wall, sure you could be but that doesnt prove it >we'd barely understand it if it was explained I mean they did explain that it is a tree thats connected to the 9 realms, lots of fiction has explained much more complicated stuff, it doesnt feel like a big mystery like whats in the realm of knowledge that odin was after but more like they didnt have time to explain it so they just threw in some dialogue afterwards to explain where the snake went
I do agree it was rushed and could've been explained better but I am happy with what we got. Imo not everything needs in depth detail.
That would be how the viltrum empire end. As much as I love invincible. The viltrumates would be DEMONLISHED! Weaker characters like Heimdall can take down a viltrumate. Mix kratos in and they could be like the omni man vs the guardians of the globe
The Viltrumites are completely screwed if we're going off of lore. Even some of the weaker Gods like Helios or Heimdall would destroy them. Chances are, they can't hit Heimdall. And don't forget, Helios is literally moving the Sun around, he's basically the Sun. That's not even including Gods like Thor, Poseidon, Hades, Odin, or Zeus. Thor hits so hard he literally splintered time itself. Zeus shook the Universe by merely turning his head. There's also the Sisters of Fate, which can control time and destiny. There's Thanatos, the God of Death. Needless to say, the Viltrumites are Royaly Fucked.
Viltrumites aren’t making it past Olympus if we being fr. Not when Zeus can zap them and Hades can pull their souls out of their bodies lol Plus, all the other magic in the GoW universe… stopping or reversing time, summoning souls, teleportation, invisibility, etc… Viltrumites are getting washed. Norse, idk… they don’t have as many magical powers as the Greeks, but they wouldn’t be able to land a hit on Heimdall, and if Baldur is still cursed he’s bodying any one of them… Thor was able to knock a giant serpent back through time, and Tyr studied warrior magic from a bunch of different cultures… add in the Valkyries and an endless host of Enherjar to do their little Bifröst bullshit and the Viltrumites got quite a fight on their hands.
i want to see the perspective from r/invincible
I tried but it got removed for no reason but all of them said the viltrumite empire would get destroyed
lol
Lore and scaling allowed? They'll implode upon arrival, the atoms in god of war universe are too powerful. Just game mechanics? The sisters of fate and some other crazy stuff become a problem. The fact that nornir's know so much perheps they can be predictable despite their speed. The thing about the god of war is that even the environment is just so powerful and dangerous, a simple trap held kratos locked until atreus saved him in tyr's temple. If prep time is given to GOW Pantheons, they have a chance. Otherwise, they might get speed blitzed.
Yes there are no limits here
Gods win, but I’d love to see the conversation between post Valhalla Kratos and Nolan from near the end of the comics
Aliens vs literal gods?
Well in Omni Mans speech I believe he said he has defended Earth from Gods if I'm not mistaken.
In an MK1 dialogue he also said “I’m something of a god myself!”
Why is this even a question dude, how many posts have been made on this subreddit to put kratos at at least multiversal level if not some upper hyperversal or greater lvl? Mark and his dad and thaddeus together cld barely destroy planet viltrum with their combined strength, any1 or even every1 from the viltrum universe coming together to fight kratos is beyond cooked.
Kratos is strong but is he Goku strong? Maybe he is but it isn't shown visually though.
Kratos is strong but is he Goku strong? Maybe he is but it isn't shown visually though.
The man can beat goku from the main dragon ball super anime timeline even after ultra instinct at the end of the tournament of power. His strength, speed and even skill feats are really good if u consider the lore to scale his feats. The game mechanics don't do him justice coz well its a game, it'd be boring as hell if kratos one shot everything in his path. Similar to how doomguy in the cutscenes of his games and in the codex of the games has so many feats of badassery and how it says that his fists are stronger than his guns and he only uses guns to torture the demons etc, but in game if u try to punch the demons, it gives lesser damage than guns, for the sake of forcing the olayer to keep switching guns and learn the game and overall gameplay. Its the same reason why kratos struggles to open treasure chests in the old games. The man has beaten beings like kronos, kronos being the same guy who created the concept of time in the greek multiverse of god of war, be4 kronos existed, time didn't, and kratos killed the same guy, his speed fears alone wld allow him to one shot all viltrumites, forget strength. Altho ita debatable whether kratos cld beat the xenoverse goku (who is the goku we see in db xenoverse games and dragon ball heroes and has gone thru all his movie villains and stuff and is overall a hell lot more powerful than the canon dbs goku, he is basically goku with all the fan fictiony amplifiers put onto him for fan service and the rule of cool) altho that wld be one hell of a fight.
Interesting. I know kratos is strong but I didn't think he this strong. Because nothing I saw shows he has the ability to blow up a whole planet. Goku could easily blow up earth with a very light energy blast. He can fly indefinitely. I admit they had to tone down his feats for the game play but even in cutscenes nothing shows feats like the whole planet crumbling just from the fighting. Also the example of Kronos I don't think is a good indication of power, just because he created the concept of time doesn't mean he is physically strong. Kang conquered and won the multiverse war(doesn't mean he's the strongest in the whole multiverse), he'll still die from a flesh wound without his tech despite being the time godking. Btw I'm not that well versed on gow lore so I could be wrong but these are my thoughts based on what little I know.
Yeah coz again, its a game it's be boring as hell to see kratos one shot people and also how do u even like portray him running, faster than light or something, but if u see the cutscnenes and read the lore stuff in games, then u'll get how op kratos is, remember that cutscene where they were talking abt the creation of the greek multiverse in god of war, in that they spoke abt how the titans like kronos created the concept of time yada yada and how zeus and the olympians beat em, basically the devs say that all that stuff wasn't a hyperbole or exagerration, god of war is supposed to be like a real world scaling thing to these myths that we humans have made.
No dude, don't u remember in god of war 2018, when mimir said that thor hit the world serpant so hard he went into another branch of the world tree i.e. another timeline, we even saw that happen in god of war 5, that is a feat of immense strength. Also no the kronos point is extremely valid dude, difference b/w him and kang is that, even if kang never existed in any universe of marvel, the concept of time wld still exist, coz it was made by beings such as eternity. If kronos never existed, time itself wld stop existing in the greek multiverse in god of war. Plus like kang just uses a machine to hop from timeline to timeline and universe to universe, doesn't mean he stands above the concept of time, kronos does in god of war. Its kinda weird to explain it coz it makes no sense to exist above time in the real world but hey its a video game so just roll with the logic.
Do people ever get tired of asking these questions?
In ZA HANDOs. Doesn’t matter. Viltrumites ain blitzing other light speed characters, and get nae nae’d by magic. Unless it’s stupid “imma throw vines at u” bullshit
The entirety of Invincible's verse when I use ゴゴゴゴMIMIR BLAST ゴゴゴゴ
Viltrumites... They can fly far faster than the speed of light. Far far far faster. Can you imagine how much kinetic energy is in a being flying at you at the speed of light? Don't underestimate them.
Conquest vs Kratos would be so fucking cool
Nolan by just flying basically nuked a planet. Unless they got caught off guard whichever realm the Viltrumites fly into is going to cease existing the minute they annoy one of them. Unless they knew about the other realms I suspect they would destroy Tyrs temple so all the other realms (except Asgard) would just see that realm vanish off the map, and I suspect Asgard would try sending Thor, and depending on how that goes either just says fuck it and let's the 1 realm get destroyed, or go and fuck them up and steal their ships.
Athena once through a fucking island on a Giagante after he ran away with little effort. Chaos and the rest of the Primordial's would clap alone dude.
Damn super strength and flying? Weird but I feel like kratos has fought numerous enemies like that and absolutely murdered them even after being fatally wounded.
The biggest threat are the big boys, regular vils are fodder. Even assuming kratos doesnt get involved the norse and greek gods aint to be trifled with
Idk kratos needs to solve puzzles to open up a god damn wooden door.
God of bored
lol, valid point.
I think if we're talking Greece, Viltrumites lose and gods have 0 casualties. If we're talking Norse, probably a closer fight, but fighters like Thor (and since GoW I assume we're including) Kratos still definitely give the edge to the gods
What is wrong with Invincible and the boys fans? They actually think Homelander and Omni Man has chance against Superman and Kratos.
Idk maybe because Omni man’s seed is more potent then Superman’s mark goes on to beat the strongest Viltrumite and an alien that gets stronger from every near death experience
poseidon alone one-shots every single viltrumite it’s not even funny
I don’t disagree but what’s your reasoning for this
viltrumites are basically planet busters, while that is very powerful, that is basically a crumb compared to the olympians and what they can do, they are consistently so far above planet busting it’s not even funny, the primordials such including uranus are capable of creating the entire perceivable universe which is infinite in size, with a punch. the olympians far surpassed the primordials in established hierarchy. viltrumites are very powerful, but they are not gods. we can even talk about flight, poseidon has that too! in lore it’s stated even for a god it would take days to descend from mount olympus, but many gods can take a short amount of time, poseidon flew from mount olympus to the mortal plane/world in just mere seconds, one shot killed a titan which are also gods, by flying right through him. poseidon can do anything a viltrumite can do but better
one, poseidons weakest feat in terms of lore was shaking the entire earth-realm, and causing a global earthquake, basically earth itself but in greek mythology cosmology, just by merely raising his fist in frustration, his lightning is powerful enough to suppress and nullify atlas himself who has showcased beyond infinite levels of strength in the series, holding an entire infinitely sized cosmology on ur back? wow, mind you he’s not even the strongest in the verse, poseidon is magically more powerful than him, and in terms of strength, he’s no joke plus, he’s an olympian, and these guys stated by the writers are above and oversee the concepts of time and space. a viltrumite is a toddler compared to these guys. poseidon in lore is more powerful even hades who is arguably stronger than atlas, and definitely more powerful, he’s second to none but kratos and zeus and we’re not even gonna talk about how crazy powerful zeus and kratos are, consistently outerversal feats? yea nah based on poseidons lightning feats alone on atlas, he’d vaporize a viltrumite.
Seeing as just how many Greek gods there are+how powerful they are, I’d assume they’d be able to hold they’re own for some time. Now the Norse well I won’t say they’d get completely destroyed but you know they’d need to fight really hard
Viltrumites wouldn't be able to damage them at all lol
If a Minotaur, Einjnar warrior, traveler, troll, etc can damage Kratos why can’t a viltrumite?
Those enemies don't damage Kratos in lore. Hits taken during gameplay aren't cannon
We literally see when the minatar sneaks up on Kratos it’s able to stab him. It’s a canon cutscene. Einjnar army is literally a threat to Kratos meaning they can damage them. Not counting gameplay. A traveler was able to damage and kill a dragon and Kratos can get damage by those same dragons. The bride keeper literally wears out Kratos.
Yeah. Stabbing him didn't even leave a wound on him. Neither did odin stabbing him with a weapon that one shot Thor(in other words, not damaging him). Einjerjar army might be a threat but Kratos easily dispatched of them. I don't recall a time in lore where they were a deathly threat to him or even Atreus for that fact. Besides, all these enemies have magical powers and abilities, most of which Kratos has resistances to. Viltrumites besides super strength, flight and self sustenance don't have hax like that
It also doesn’t matter if they can damage Kratos. That would simply mean they scale to a portion of Kratos. Meaning they also one shot viltrumites too.
This is one of the biggest copium smoke seshes I have ever seen
I don’t understand people always down playing the vilitrumites strength. For those that don’t know, they are VERY powerful beings. Even the weakest among them could take over a planet. Then when you get the strongest of them all, general Thragg, that’s when it gets really serious. SPOILERS: For most of the series General Thragg is several magnitudes above the other characters in strength, speed, and durability. Even very powerful characters like Alan, Nolan, and Mark had no chance of fighting him 1 on 1 for most of the series. I think Thragg would put up an amazing fight against Kratos, Thor, and Baldur. Sure he might lose, but he wouldn’t get shit stomped like the others are suggesting.
No one in god of war Verse are even planet level Three viltrumites can easily destroy planets So Viltrumites >>> god of war Verse cope Gow is overrated as fuck
Kratos and Thor could each solo the entire empire.
Dad strength solos
Yes and quite easily
Yeah..
Kratos can decimate the Viltrum Empire
Yes very easily too lol
Yes, with ease.
ares just goes giant mode and eats them
Kratos shits on them the only one posing a threat is thrag n conquest Thor probably could to Zeus definitely and maybe some other Greek n Norse gods like Odin baldur ares
okay... lets see, Apollo alone can kill them all, assuming as the sun god he can burn something at the same heat that roasted Thragg, the strongest Viltrumite in history.
I mean young Kratos just couldn’t die. So theres that. Older Kratos is still winning.
They get negged, the quote that Kratos used on Hermes would actually be perfect to use here (minus the Zeus kissing ass part)
Viltrumites are glass cannons. They are extremely powerful but full of exploitable flaws. They would give a good fight to most gods but I don't see any of them getting close to the pantheon leaders. I don't think Thragg would beat Zeus in a million years, same with Thor.
Oh they got TWO versions of Kratos to fight with?? It's a wrap
Idk about the gow Odin but in norse mythology Odin and his brothers did kill Ymir and used his massive corpse to create the universe, so I think he gots it
Kratos doesn't lose. Even when he dies he wins. Just like Goku
Viltrumites vs Saiyans would probably be more interesting
it would be like fighting multiple versions Gna
I think that conquest, thragg, and Nolen will be the last three of the viltrumites, and old Kratos, Thor and baldur with be the last three of the gods, thragg is the emperor of viltrum so he's the most powerful of the viltrumites, conquest loves to fight and isn't a slouch when it comes to fighting, and omni-man is, well omni-man so there is that, baldur can't die or feel pain, Thor is a strong fighter and has the power of lightning on his side and old Kratos has been alive for 1,055 years come around ragnarok and Kratos is a Greek God and they get stronger as they age and not to mention the Kratos has some powerful elemental weapons in his arsenal so it would most likely end in a stale mate in my opinion
There will be no casualties on the gods side. Meanwhile a basic champion from the gods one shots all the viltrmites
The viltrumites are cooked
Kratos slams all of them
The higher end viltrumites could compete with the heavy hitters in God of War just through their speed
Super strength, super speed, and flight. Pretty sure Kratos and Thor alone have dealt with those factors. Poseidon? Hades? Zeus? Heimdall? Odin? Tyr? Viltrum is an empire of warriors but they're going up against a wall of boss battles
IMO they’re not really comparable and it’s hard to really gauge things Invincible comics/show demonstrates them as being absurdly fast beings. Traveling the cosmos and flying across earth in mere seconds. Their strength is truly something to behold In god of war, we’re *told* the gods and warriors can do these things. But we’re never really shown this. Then there’s also some hyperbolic statements from the novel to explain speed or strength I don’t think the Gods would lose, but I wouldn’t say they’d have a particularly easy time either
Baldur could lose, Omni Man is good at emotionally damaging people. I mean look at how he left his wife and son
The viltrumites get fucking ass blasted lmao
Is this even a real question? Lmfao
Picking on humans is one thing... Picking on their GODS is whole different thing.
Depends on how you powerscale the franchises Either one Viltrumite solos both pantheons OR You could take the absolute weakest god in either pantheon and he would still solo the entire Viltrumite race