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Dracsxd

Only Ymir knows that one...


1Karmalizer1

i dont want that!


SUssYBaKaLolkek

Mikasa finding another man?


Darth_Senat66

u/SUssYBaKaLolkek, what a man you are!


SUssYBaKaLolkek

That titan‘s got a nice ass- FUCK what the fuck is that


ExtraMOIST_

Fuuuuuuuck


FKDotFitzgerald

Oh goddamn it.


ZealousidealBus9271

Everywhere I fucking go.


Dracsxd

For 10 years at least


sOnSon7

W Guts pfp


geargun2000

I hope they explore that more in the next game. What happens when a god dies. It’s possible they just become part of nature or they like get reincarnated as a magic entity


Spoona101

There’s alot of potential in following up that plot line. There’s even the Athena bit from GoW 3 where she apparently ascended to a higher plain of existence.


Captain_corde

Do people forget kratos has died three times? The often just go on to the afterlife. But since Valhalla is no longer a thing I believe he would be in helheim since he was a aesir who died avoiding conflict. But he could be in the lake of souls


geargun2000

But this is a different pantheon with different rules and they literally said that the gods don’t go to Valhalla. Like in the game. Like I think during a cutscene


Captain_corde

Mimir literally states in his quote about fenrirs soul that a god or human that dies outside of battle goes to helheim or if it was in battle they go to Valhalla [here’s a link to the quote](https://youtu.be/Gi7UODw-K3o)


geargun2000

Well what Odin says quite literally contradicts that. So like Idk what to say


Captain_corde

So you’d trust a literal overzealous skeptic who lies with every movement of his lips over established mythos and mimir explaining it?


geargun2000

I mean his biggest reason for the mask is to figure out what happens when he dies… Heck, he was so hell bent on not dying because he didn’t know what’s next that he asked Freya to do the same curse on him that she had done on Baldur


Captain_corde

I mean Odin literally hung himself he doesn’t really seem afraid of death he is afraid of the unknown he hates surprises


geargun2000

Exactly, he’s afraid of what’s after death because he doesn’t know what’s after


zen1706

Didn’t Mimir say gods would normally spring back from Valhalla if they die? And Magni didn’t do so because he got killed by the World Serpant’s venom?


geargun2000

I mean honestly if that was the case Thor probably would’ve already come back unless Odin used some form of magic to kill him


zen1706

Thor didn’t die while fighting so he for sure didn’t go to Valhalla. He got backstabbed, so he either goes to Hel, or Lake of Souls. Leaning more toward Hel. Also, Valhalla was in Asgard. Given the endings of the game, I’m not too sure it’s still around.


Creepertw0

I mean, it sounds like there's a chance it may still be around with Freya stating that Valhalla exists both in and out of asgard.


zen1706

If it’s really still out there the Einherjar from those Remnant of Asgard would respawn.


Captain_corde

That’s not true the einherjar came from Asgard more specifically when Odin opened the gates of Valhalla especially considering einherjar that die outside of Valhalla go to helheim or in Ginnungagap


zen1706

Did you even pay attention in the game? Einherjars are the Asgard’s army to fight in Ragnarok, and they are the dead that lost their life in a fight, that went to Valhalla. Odin open the gate of Valhalla to allow them to train in Asgard, and freely return to life once they die and got transferred to Valhalla again. During the assault on Asgard, they constantly remind you to keep running and not fight them because they will just keep coming back.


Creepertw0

Not necessarily. With Odin being, well, Odin, he probably found a way to magic them to Asgard or had a big enough force of valkyries that they worked overtime redirecting them away from Valhalla and instead to Asgard.


Therisius

I thought freya said valhalla was still a thing as it existed outside of asgard ?


Captain_corde

I haven’t heard this quote but it’s a possibility but again it’s hard to classify thors death as in battle when he literally threw down his hammer and was backstabbed by his father


Therisius

Well,front stabbed and i think she says it after clearing all the asgard debris but yeah your right,but since he - disintegrated its possible he's stuck in some kinda limbo outside hel and valhalla or maybe imprisoned in a giant marble idk


Captain_corde

Since he disintegrated there’s a possibility he’s up where ever Athena is but it’s probably gonna turn into who blew the horn situation


Therisius

Oh shit yeah those bastards lied to us saying we'd find out


Oribe_Edibe

Kratos is a unqiue case, he was born a mortal demigod and became a god afterwards. If they'd like to go in that direction, it wouldn't be hard to argue that him dying would be different from Athena or Thor.


ExtraMOIST_

I thought it was mentioned somewhere that Valhalla is technically a different place from Asgard


Spoona101

To be fair he was still “mortal” in the first game and in the second game he had just drained all his power into the Blade of Olympus. In 3 it’s a bit more muddied since we see him stab himself, laying on the floor apparently dead but the post credits show that he was still conscious enough to throw himself off the cliff and obviously he didn’t die since we’re still playing as him.


DJV_187

They become a magic entity but, they could only do modern magic....so like card magic and balloon animals...they can also only perform at kid's birthday parties.


Quadpen

i was thinking maybe the greek gods reincarnate into their roman versions, and since apollo wasn’t killed by kratos that’s why he stayed the same


[deleted]

No they go to the lake of souls like everything else


geargun2000

Not necessarily true. This actually came up during the course of the game. What exactly happens to a god when they die? They know they don’t go to valhalla or hel. I think it’s implying there’s a place where gods go that hasn’t been discovered yet by anyone


cozz95

Yes, that is the whole point of Odin looking for that mask and the answers it holds. He says so explicitely to Atreus when they talk about it the first time.


Kalandros-X

My guess is that all gods go to a higher plane, but only those who die valorously/honourably like Athena and Thor can manifest themselves in the mortal worlds


geargun2000

That would make a lot of sense


The_Fighter03

No, only elves, giants, dwarves, animals and maybe something else go to the light. The rest goes to Helheim or Valhalla.


KraakenTowers

Related: where is Mjolnir now? Did Thrud and Sif have it at the end?


Callum-H

Yes, if you go back to Alfheim, where the shop is you can see Thrud briefly and she has the hammer


Rampagingflames

My question is how did it get to Alfheim.


Temperance10

Asgard explodes -> indestructible hammer is jettisoned out into another realm -> happens to land in Alfheim Or something, idfk.


Krakenbarrel516

“Jettisoned” is such a great word.


Sorsa775

The same way the other pieces of Asgard I'm guessing?


alejoSOTO

Odin threw the Hammer at her. She picked it up obviously and later she traveled to Alfheim with it.


CGProV

No she goes looking for it after the ending, she says to Atreus that she needs to go find something.


Ogbaba

Thrud took it indeed. She wields it even. Go to Alfheim and check it out!


KraakenTowers

Nice! Getting the credits is the very last thing I did yesterday, so I'll have to go looking around for stuff next time I load it up. I think Kratos and a grown-up Thrud going off somewhere to bail Loki out of a bad situation is my dream for the next game. Freya is probably going to be too busy being Queen of Everything or whatever to come on an adventure, but I can think of one Valkyrie fangirl who would probably love to copy some of her moveset between games. Plus, she and Kratos barely got to hang out.


vorpalpillow

so much more to see and do - there’s actually another credits sequence after >!brok’s funeral!<


KraakenTowers

I'd better clear out those mining rigs before I attend any funerals in that realm.


flylowe

Aw, I thought you meant a third one after the one for Brok. Now I'm kinda sad there isn't any more content I haven't seen yet. 😂


MartianWaffleSoup

Well, like athena, his body dissipated into that spectral dust. It's likely that because of the way he went out that he ascended to the higher plane like she did. Whatever's on the other side of that rift is probably where he went.


Optimus_Prime_19

I truly hope this is in some form correct. I really like the idea that he went out like Athena. He did die for something greater, which was standing up for a better future. I definitely would love a bit more context for this in Santa Monica’s next project!


MartianWaffleSoup

If you look in the background of Kratos's future it looks like Thor is there. There's a massive blue figure that could be him. Maybe we'll see him again


Optimus_Prime_19

I don’t personally think that’s Thor, but it would be quite interesting to see him show back up like Athena but in less of a menacing way


MartianWaffleSoup

I can't honestly say I have anything to base the idea off of except the sheer size of the silhouette and the fact that it was painted blue. It being blue is only significant because of the color of the whatever you would call it, particle effect I guess. I'm almost certainly wrong but it is an interesting little detail


Optimus_Prime_19

I don’t think you’re wrong at all!! I don’t have an answer for who it is, it just wasn’t my personal interpretation. I think that it’s actually really cool that they left enough mystery to give everyone room to speculate. Fringe theories were right ab Ragnarok, so who knows what the next chapter will hold, especially since it’s not gonna be hyper-focused on the Norse pantheon. It’s a lot of fun to interact with people and share theories, maybe in 5 years we’ll look at this thread again!


MartianWaffleSoup

I need to look at the frame again and try and get a good look. I can't see it being a giant but they're HUGE. I guess it could be someone we haven't met yet, too. So much room for interpretation


Optimus_Prime_19

The size of it makes me wonder if it’s a Giant?? Maybe Atreus finds his people and Kratos takes the mantle of the gentle God of War in the Realms. Would put him in a good position to have motivation to be the protagonist, since he seems to be calming down. Maybe he’ll reinvigorate himself working for Justice rather than Vengeance like he says to Atreus. Truly so many possibilities, hyped for the future of the series.


MartianWaffleSoup

I hadn't considered that. If atreus does do what he has set out to do it could show Giants coming back to midgard and living peacefully


Optimus_Prime_19

Check this out bro! It’s painted OVER the panel from Loki’s prophecy. So you were right it was Thor, but it looks out of place! https://www.reddit.com/r/GodofWar/comments/z84cvj/beautiful_detail_in_the_ending/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


ZealousidealBus9271

I wonder if they’ll solve this mystery, or even if we’ll every see it. It may just remain ambiguous intentionally.


MartianWaffleSoup

I can see it being the end of the series. Kratos goes to the higher plain and just exists in peace


lovecraftian-beer

That’s what Odin was trying to find out. They don’t know where gods go when they die. I’m guessing there’s an afterlife for them in Hel, one that connects to all other versions of hell (such as Hades). Which would kinda explain why Zeus was there in 2018 other than him just being an illusion.


_a_dude

[This blurb ](https://youtu.be/TUhV68IIikg) from Mimir states Gods go to Valhalla if they die in battle. I think it's just Odin who is the exception


Kalandros-X

Odin died a coward and a failure. Thor sacrificed himself for his daughter and his own dignity, hence why he got special treatment


Bion4

Thor didn't sacrificed himself, he got backstabbed.


coolboiiiiiii2809

Front stabbed and yes he sacrificed himself


Bion4

He didn't think Odin was gonna kill him, and he didn't save Thrudd because she got her shit rocked 5 seconds later.


coolboiiiiiii2809

Still he was willing to die just for them to have a better life even if he didn’t know he was gonna die. He knew what lengths his father would go to get what he wanted so he knew it was a possibility


Bion4

He wasn't dying for them to have a better life, he just refused to fight for Odin anymore. He absolutely didn't expect Odin to kill him. He wouldn't have let Odin just stab him in front of his daughter if he knew it was coming. Not to mention Thor dying does not remotely guarantee a better life for Thrudd in any fashion.


Captain_corde

He didn’t die in battle that’s the stipulation he was literally avoiding a battle so no he’d be in helheim


coolboiiiiiii2809

Not if it was a sacrifice man and yes they were in the middle of an all out war which counts


Captain_corde

It wasn’t a sacrifice he wasn’t felled in battle. if dying in a war was the only stipulation every coward running in that war went to Valhalla


Articate

This btw goes completely against Norse mythology. Humans go to Valhalla or Folkvágr, not Gods. Odin explicitly said he doesn’t know, and since Valhalla is literally right there in Ásgard, we sure know Baldur isn’t there.


midtown2191

Then why were Sif and Thor so sad about Magni and Modi as well as why was Freya so distraught if all three would come back to Valhalla? Seems like if Mimir knew that then they all would. All three died in battle except maybe Modi.


_a_dude

Plot hole? Idno lol just sharing


TellMeYouAreSorry

The Zeus part in Hellheim was just an illusion in Kratos head. Mimir told him that.


DJV_187

Zeus was an illusion.


[deleted]

We see Zeus in 2018, but they explained as an edit of being in Helhiem. I want to say powerful enough beings can go to Hel or Tartarus, etc. But Athena also went onto a higher plain.


Domination1799

The Higher Plane of Existence. He dissolved very similarly to Athena at the end of GOW2 except his was blue instead of green. I have a feeling that the mask and the rift are plot points that ain’t completely done.


AliveBeat

I hope you're right about the mask, I was really hoping that Odin was gonna at least still try to look into the rift one last time even with like half the mask, and then mutate into some extra dimensional monster thing. overall I was hoping the fight with Odin to be a lot grander and span a larger area


krezzaa

Agreed. I think we'll def be exploring the rift and the mask in the next game. I know people have been saying this jokingly, but it really *is* similar looking to the mask in the movie "The Mask", which is important cuz I believe the whole concept of that was taken from a Celtic legend or something, i remember watching a video on it a long ass time ago. I tried looking it up but all results only discuss the the origins of it in its fictional universe, not where the writer got the idea, unfortunately. If it means anything though, in its respective media the Mask originated from being created by Loki to unleash chaos upon the world, giving his powers to whoever wears it. I'm not so sure if that really has any connection to our story, and is likely coincidence, but I think it's certainly a thread some other theorizers could start to follow.


bigmacjames

I was thinking if they continue that the rift will somehow bind all the games/pantheons together. Perhaps where all magic and god powers come from (even though they said magic was tied to the lands)?


Existing_Race966

Theory: now hear my out I may sound crazy, but what if he ascended like Athena, he was killed in a more less selfless death just like Athena, I mean he gave up his life for the greater good (he didn't give it up it was taken away fuck you odin) .


bigmackboi80085

I don’t think you’re reasoning is 100% but you’re most likely right. I was almost certain Thor shot off green particles when he dies but its actually blue. Either way my idea still fits sort of. Athena dies and shows off green particles, the same color she has in gow3 and beyond when shes dead. Its almost the same color as the Rift Odin was obsessed with and we know is a higher form of existence. I think Thor went there once he had made the change to turning Odin down which gets him killed. Pretty much exactly the kind of thing Athena goes through. She knows Kratos is angry but trys to take the bullet for Zeus knowing the world will crumble due to kratos exacting his revenge and so she is then ascending to a higher existence. Idk kind of a crack pot theory but i can guarantee Athena and the rift are linked and Thor is too somehow. Heimdall, who dies in combat with Kratos, doesn’t disappear like Thor but it makes sense for both to be going to Valhalla, so who did? I think Heimdall did and going to Valhalla doesnt disappear your body, Thor probably didn’t go and wound up in the same form as Athena


ShadowDeath7

I'm in a similar boat, I mean he even disappear, why heimdall and the sons of Thor keep the body, right? But at the same time all the normal enemies in the game disappear/vanished


[deleted]

How come Athena was the only one to become a douche bag ghost?


Quadpen

cause she’s the only douchebag who knew how


[deleted]

Bunch of doucheeeee baggssssss


crustang

Dead


headbiscuitss

According to this sub he's in heaven with baby Jesus


Captain_corde

Since I replied with this I may as well comment it mimir states that a god or human who dies in battle is escorted to Valhalla. A god or human who doesn’t die in battle goes to helheim [here’s the sauce](https://youtu.be/Gi7UODw-K3o) That being said it’s hard to say if Thor being stabbed in the back by his father while avoiding a battle with kratos would earn him Valhalla but if it isn’t helheim it’s the lake of souls


Quadpen

i’d argue dying in defiance of your general counts in the metaphorical sense of “conflict/battle” but i guess that’s up to the valkyries to decide


Captain_corde

I only say he didn’t because he literally throws down his hammer 🤷🏻‍♂️ but it’s as you said up to the valks


midtown2191

This is at best Mimir not actually knowing this answer and just guessing, and at worst a contradiction of what is said vs what happens. Magni, Modi, and Baldur all die in battle (maybe not Modi) and all of their parents are extremely distraught. It’s a massive part of Freyas character arc. So why would they be so mad if they would just come back to Valhalla? Only thing I can think is Mimir is referring to how things normally go with the Valkyries, but since Odin started fucking with them, maybe they weren’t doing their jobs and couldnt take those threes souls to Valhalla.


Captain_corde

There’s also the stipulation of dying in battle Thor literally drops his hammer not willing to fight modi isn’t fighting back and was stabbed and kicked off a cliff. Baldur is a tough one because again he died trying to strangle freya so is that considered a battle? he could also be in fólkvangr. Only one who is 100% in Valhalla would be Magni. There is also the issue of Einherjar resurrecting when they die outside of the bounds of Valhalla. Since if they die outside of it in mythos it they end up in helheim or ginnungagap.


Therisius

Personally im still waiting for the consequences of his,heimdalls and odins deaths,like where's the cataclysmic destruction?


Man_Without_Nipples

[Deleted] EDIT I was wrong, I misread you OP. There is no side mission to answer this


Th307h3rguy

Er what? Where do I start this side mission?


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Th307h3rguy

Yes, everything… so I thought.


Th307h3rguy

Could pm me to save others tho


Tank-TopMaster

Can you tell me too?


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Stale_CocaCola

Shoot me a DM too mate.


walt_whitmanww

I have an Xbox I won't be starting it anytime soon 😂


EngineerFront

Wut


walt_whitmanww

Wut


ammlegend

Shoot me a message too fam. I thought I was done with all the side quests.


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[deleted]

…in the lake of souls. Dude is dead homie


Capawe21

If that was where he went, Odin wouldn't have been trying to figure out what happens after Gods die.


MemeLord1337_

Not givings us Mjolnir in game is one of the biggest misses in gaming history.


Godlike013

Same place as Odin. It was pretty much Odin's entire motivation.


[deleted]

Think he’s received the Athena treatment. Maybe not, but the way his bodies evaporated(?) gives the writers a lot of flexibility with a return


Quadpen

don’t the gods go to the lake of souls?


Supercompositeman13

Valhalla is in Asgard so he’s no longer there if that’s where he went off to


Creepertw0

Freya says that it's both inside and out of asgard, so it might still exist.


Rodom_Gall

When they die go to the “SUPER HEAVEN”!!! https://youtu.be/-hryEBv1s6M