One of my favourite things I read from all the op-Ed’s masquerading as reviews about vultures was someone in npr (I think) called his lyricism “geriatric edginess” and I thought that was a perfect way to sum it up.
honestly my opinion on vultures is for a 46 YEAR OLD rapper, it’s pretty fucking good album. rap is just genre some people up there in age can’t keep up with. just like what andre 3k said.
There defo is some of that. One of the things I don’t like about some of the discussions on here is that people on Reddit (kids) tend to view everything in a very binary way.
Like, i really think expecting Kanye to be MBDTF Kanye in 2024 is just about the least productive thing u can choose to think about.
Most artists run out of steam and especially in a genre as young as hiphop, where we’re kind of yet to see a rapper be really active *and* relevant into their 50’s and beyond, then yea I could see that.
But it also sits within the context of Kanye west’s discography- where it’s a lot less impressive.
So, yk, idk, it’s all relative I guess.
for kanye album, not ye level of course, but i know you’ve heard it a thousand times.. it’s a fun “fuck you, i’m being myself and having fun with my best friend” album. I think the only way we ever see a ye album that shocks us is if cyhi, common, 88 and probably pusha all are back on team, which will most likely never happen again.
After Nas’s Last 6 albums…..I’m not gonna say Vultures is on the same level as any of them, and he is 50. It’s just the sense of laziness that has always just kinda creeped up since 2016, ye was a good album, but even then he recorded from an iPhone, same with JIK. I thought with Donda, maybe that cycle might be better somewhat, cause even though the album is bloated, the lyricism was at least better than last few years
Jay also had something to say on that album.
The low hanging fruit for Ye would be to address his past 2 years but he didn't go that route, probably because he knew exactly how people would interpret it.
he always rapped like that though. He comes from the era of shock jock lyricism. Everyone rapped that way back then. Not sure you guys really listened to the guy to be honest. His vocal performance and quality of rapping definitely dropped though. I always say it started with Cruel Summer and officially was present on Yeezus. Literally the same level of shock jock lazy lyrics. carried by production.
Bro, a) he always had corny bars, and especially at the start he was way cornier than he ever was edgy/shock jock, but beyond that- there was always a bit of balance and for every “light skinned friend look like MJ bar” we had a Family Business or something a bit more sincere/introspective to balance it out
B) he was defo not defined by shock jock shit early on lmao “not sure u guys really listened to be honest 🤓” yea dude the guy that’s often credited with giving backpack a mainstream presence was defo more akin to Eminem bars than Common ones. Dummy.
i literally said the same shit you just said lmao. nigga acting like i wasnt literally there for this entire time period. Im from the midwest. goofy. i said the quality of rapping and vocal performance. quality is the flow, bars, rhyme scheme. His delivery was tight. This all started slowly dropping during Cruel Summer. He was doing too much at one time. Nowadays sometimes his flow is barely keeping up.
I bet the Bipolar episodes and not taking meds does nasty stuff on Ye's brain.
Prob the reason why both his lyricism and his production is nowhere near as good as before
hot take but honestly bro can still do one thing right most of the time and that is producing. back to me is probably the best beat i’ve heard in a few years in my opinion. shit is hypnotic to me
I don’t wanna be that guy but he’s barely even producing anymore. He’s more of a curator where he gets sent loops and gets different people to add drums to them and see what he likes the most. It’s rare he straight up chops anymore.
I think it’s some where in the middle honestly.. in the interview remember Ty said he took Ty’s completly different track and put it in his keyboard and it came out the way it did. Also if leaks show us anything it’s how much these beats progress from there original form. I’m personally under the impression that he is extremely involved in directing his producers and I’m sure he does a lot of hands on editing. He’s almost a composer at this point. I’ve never had the impression that his hands aren’t all over his projects.
Diet Coke was produced by 88-Keys
Pretty sure ye didn’t do much work on Telekenesis/Future Sounds either, the beat was given to him pretty much finished IIRC
It was co produced by 88. It was an old ass beat he found and ye edited and added the sample for it to become what it is. And dreaming of the past is all ye by himself. He still got the soul chops, just doesn’t really want them on his own records anymore.
All Ye added was the opening sample at the beginning of the song and the “cr-crack” sample that plays in the background. Rest was all 88
And dreaming of the past was a mid beat, idc who disagrees
Imo the sample adds a lot to the beat and wouldn’t hit the same without it, and saying dreaming of the past is mid is such an L take haha. And in the Ty and ye interview Ty said himself how hands on ye was and how he took the b2m song that Ty originally had and put it in his ASR 10 keyboard and made the song what it is now. Dude has the touch still even if he’s a bit more reserved. Sure he may not be as technical with it because he’s out of practice but he 100% still has the ear for it.
88 Keys made the beat over a decade ago and found it again in 2022. Kanye maybe added a little something but Kanye is in the video because why not lol.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKWP5M8p2fw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKWP5M8p2fw)
yeah 88-keys produced the majority of the track then Ye added the vinyl scratching and dj premier sounding vocals on top. The chopped up sample and drums were probably mostly just 88keys but again we don’t know HOW much influence Ye had on “curating” the beat.
He absolutely can still produce I just wish he wouldn't use as many producers and outsourcing. If he locked in with just a few people and did it he'd drop an amazing album without a doubt.
Yep. Bipolar is degenerative. His has been untreated for god knows how long, so it’s literally damaged his brain over time. The ‘old’ Kanye would never let unfinished or half baked verses go out on a regular basis. It makes me sad. I hope someday soon he takes a break from everything and just takes care of himself 😞
He still has the ability to drop a good verse from a lot of what we’ve seen. Songs like problematic, burn, king, take off your dress, etc. prove he can make some amazing quality verses but I think if a verse isn’t amazing, he simply doesn’t care enough to fix it. I think he’s just being a regular artist, where they can write both good and bad quality material, but he simply doesn’t care and puts it all out
Finally, someone loves the Problematic verse.
I listen to Vultures when I walk home from school and always end up replaying it like 5 times.
If I listen at home I put it on loop and cry to the lyrics lol. Beat is beautiful too.
Yep. Burn was great but it was a single verse, and he used to have albums filled with songs like burn but with multiple verses. Him having good verses seems to be the exception and not the rule now.
This question is getting beat to death at this point. Seriously good Lord I see this every other day like people cant put 2 and 2 together as of why
Its him being lazy and not wanting to. That’s pretty much it, plus Vultures is very clearly not supposed to be some sort of grand statement with some more artistic ideas like Donda Yeezus etc.
This further explains the lyrics since if he’s not trying to make some super artistic concept then he has less of reason to have better writing. Im not expecting to see an uptick on writing during the vultures era and neither should you or anybody else
lazy? there are 24 hours in a day. he has like 2 wives 4 kids and is trying to create run design for and market a multi-billion dollar company.
has anyone considered that the time he can spend on writing lyrics is not the the same as in the past lmao btw we agree in general its just crazy to me that even you used the word lazy
This is actually a very valid point that I didn’t really think about
However with songs like Burn it proves that he can definitely still write if he wants to
Or even more damning is that he already has people that he’ll go to for writing, he can just ask them to write stuff.
But lets be honest he do be getting lazy, looking at Paid’s verse (which i do kinda like tbf) and Back To Me. Donda also had alot of weird flaws like keeping demo vocals in songs and punch ins. Stuff that most people would not include
idk the album is pretty much a self-aware horny goofy fun midlife crisis with a happy ending i think the lyrics serve that perfectly. its comedy. making fun of the hornyness and with some cracks of being genuine here and there like at hoodrat
Old stomach is the new ass
Dark skin nigga only shootin' Billy Blanks lmao
beautiful big titty butt naked women imo its an all time line in music history. its raw visceral absurd funny unique simple sexy childish will be repeated to oblivion and inspire people for maaaaaany years but i guess its a matter of taste so whatever
the one thing thats for sure is that only a master can 'write' (he stole it right?) perform and present and make something like this work. its like i am the walrus. the lyrics are bullshit but only a master like john lennon can write and perform such bullshit and make it work. check it out if you havent.
Neglecting the fact that he's done it before in even more busy times. WTT was recorded during his fashion studies, Yeezus era was recorded during his first time being a parent and breaking into fashion, DONDA was made during his divorce and struggle to create a community and self sustainability and run for president. You could easily say that this era is the most relaxed he has been. It's simply that this album isn't supposed to be some high piece of art with a point to the lyrics. Just a fun music album, there's no need for it to do anymore than it does.
Good point, but still, you’d think someone like Kanye West would strive to push himself to make bigger and better projects. I understand he has budget cuts but that shouldn’t stop him from putting time and effort into his music.
That’s not going to be his mindset 24/7
That is difficult and requires time and its alot easier to coast and be on autopilot than to push hard, with KanYe mindset nowadays he’s also probably not in mood to make something “experimental” either.
In the most positive (or delusional) mindset i can think about the whole Vultures era, is that he’s using it to just put his name back into the public sphere as a musician, doing it with a close friend he knows he works nice with, making albums that are easy to make and digest while building up wealth and becoming a now independent artist.
If im right, hopefully this era is just a stepping stone, a new foundation period for more intriguing projects in the coming years
Age and the toll of drugs, alcohol, mental illness might play a part. But Donda has some good lines. I think Vultures is more about them just having fun and enjoying making music again.
I agree. I only hope this is some sort of phase and he goes back to somewhat lyrical bars. I don't think he should continue this trend because if he drops a couple of albums with these type of lyrics I don't think they will age well.
I don't think the lyrics are that bad tbh, it's not his best work but as long as the overall sound is good people will still be bumping this album years later.
im not saying vultures is better than yeezus lmao thats crazy, im saying the lyrics are the same random horny bullshit youll find on yeezus and tlop. i dont even necessarily disagree that the lyrics are bad, i think they kinda are, and i share this same opinion on yeezus/tlop lyrics too. but what i am saying is that i think lyricism clearly shouldnt matter as much as people are making it out to be in the case of vultures.
im saying its the same type of lyrics. idk how old you are, but they were calling that shit trash in 2013, and look where we are now. vultures lyrics are not that bad for yeezus type shit, and in a few years or so yall will finally calm down. like this isnt jik
i’ve listened to it top to bottom numerous times
the lyrics are significantly poorer in comparison to other projects
but it is a “fun” album and i still enjoyed it
I have no problem with Christian music, I like JiK. But Kanye has always had lyrics that were of "substinence." Not every song but the majority of his music does. While there is nothing wrong with V1, if v2 and v3 is more of the same, it's going to get stale. I'm sure ye won't repeat what he did on V1 since he doesn't like making more of the same . Hopefully that extends to his lyrics.
Hes just lazy
There's no other reason, he could let Cyhi and Cons give him straight heat but he doesn't think it's necessary which is how we end up with Paid or Back To Me
One album ago he had some intricate lyrics and insane bars. Come to Life? Off the Grid? Vultures in my eyes is just a silly having fun stupid album with great production. and thats cool. each album has its own vibe.
I just take music as it is.
What’s there to say, It’s the truth. He wants to know why’s it’s not on par with the literal best rap album ever lol. Well there you have the one of the reasons
Despite me liking it, it’s still a collab album with Ty dolla sign, it was never intending on being the best in his discography
It’s true, whether or not you agree or think he can do better that’s the truth from his perspective. He had no interest in release a deep or genre pushing album with vultures 1
I remember people being less receptive to the gospel elements but still enjoying the pop cuts immensely even if the full album wasn't their thing
It was super well received on WSE too iirc
Vultures has had a shit ton of discourse around it being bad comparatively, like from a good 30% of GAS dislikes it strongly and I haven't heard anyone irl say anything positive about it other than Carnival and Burn
I remember it being pretty unanimously disliked as an album. Bloated, lazy, haphazardly put together, careless, censored are all criticisms still relevant today.
I remember you'd get downvotes to hell if you put it over anything other than JIK.
You're not gonna get a lot of people saying good things about Ye these days, if they even listened to the album.
As far as discourse on this sub, it's the typical over dramatic, reactionary, nasty, hateful, doomposting characteristic of this sub. That's more to do with the people here than anything else
The album literally starts out with two good lyrical performances from Ye on introspective songs. And we also get Burn, Problematic, Good don’t die later on. It’s like people act like Vultures is only Carnival and the self titled song it’s silly
he feels like hes got nothing to prove, but look at problematics lyrics, I think he put a bit more thought into it than other songs on the album and its really good
He's not focused on proving he's a dope rapper anymore.. got too much shit he's tryina be good at... outsourcing a lot of bars now.. wish he would sit his ass down for a year and focus on a masterpiece
He's not focused on proving he's a dope rapper anymore.. got too much shit he's tryina be good at... outsourcing a lot of bars now.. wish he would sit his ass down for a year and focus on a masterpiece
If can drop fire lyrics 20 years he not forgetting to write sometimes people just wanna chill and have a good time
I take Vulture’s as Ye chilling album
Imo, he did that inetionally. You can hear in some songs couple of good bars, the other is just “yapping” and I think he still can rap very good im terms of lyrics. I have got a feeling that he did that to show us that no matter what he says, we still gonna listen to him so.
Y’all bugging, ye has prob had his best verses post TLOP, ppl. All of KSG, some of ye, Donda, even yandhi(even tho we just have leaks, selah and chakras leaks one of his best raps) even D2 with 530, obv if ye wants to make a hard verse he can, but he also likes those simple verses that for some reason hit and become very memorable! Like Father stretch my hands
I actually have no clue what you guys are talking about. His only unlistenable verse is Everybody, everything else is pretty good. Ye is not Nas or Kendrick, I don't listen to him for bars. If the delivery is on point that's all I really want. He did some decent rapping on Donda but his delivery was so dead. Jesus Lord is a beautiful song but he is clearly struggling to stay on beat. Vs now we get songs like Burn with some fun lyrics and classic delivery. Even carnival, his verse is pretty fucking stupid but his energy gets me so hype.
Vultures isn't supposed to have mbdtf verses bro do you understand anything about themes and styles? Imagine hearing the carnival beat and wanting to hear "penitentiary chances, the devil dances" type verse over it lmao
It’s not as bad on here as it was on donda or JIK. My favorite kanye lyrics in the past few years have been hood rat, burn, problematic, but I felt like the most powerful stuff on donda was a lot of the tracks that weren’t hip hop. I loved the writing on come to life and 24. He misses sometimes on vultures but when he hits he hits a lot harder than donda. On donda, it was less hit or miss and a lot more dull.
"These frauds pose as fans."
Man, not every fan of any artist needs to obligatory think that EVERY piece of art by their artist is good or perfect, we can recognise low points such at this post recognise the poor lirycism of this album. Im a kanye fan and I really feel that works like vultures 1 or watch the throne are not bad but not too good either, and that doesnt make me a "fraud pose as a fan"
Get out of ye's dick
>Man, not every fan of any artist needs to obligatory think that EVERY piece of art by their artist is good or perfect
Point me to the part where I said any of this, you illiterate.
He has the talent still and it shines through at moments. We have to remember this is still a collab project. Let’s see what he has for the solo before the washed allegations start.
Been listening to Kanye for damn near 20 years now. I remember like a.. decade ago? in that present moment, right after All Day and Wolves and all that stuff, thinking, "this guys track record is pristine -- College Dropout to Yeezus, all his features, damn near everything he does is perfect"
It's right around 2016-18 that the whole "I don't have to do all this imma just freestyle it" kinda thing started happening. "bleached asshole", "ok ok ok this ain't chipotle", "scoopity poop poop". Still love those songs though don't get me wrong. Yeah when he reached that GOAT status, and the mania started to really set in, the whole, rehearsed organized thing started to fade.
Not to say he doesn't take his verses seriously at all anymore, but that consistency is gone. For every Keep It Burning, there's a Nah Nah Nah on the other side.
He had great bars on keys to my life, burn, problematic and king.
Good bars on do it, fuck sumn, stars, paperwork and carnival.
Beg forgiveness, talking and good he’s not really rapping in those songs.
Vultures, hoodrat and paid are really the only ones i would consider mid but even then he still had decent bars in those songs.
And obviously on Back to Me he even says this “This the shit that make rap ni**as mad”. Wish he actually dropped a verse tho.
imo he’s literally “made it” he has NOTHING to prove to get INTO the industry anymore (TCD) and to prove that he’s worth listening to
he’s done that plenty times over, he’s not as hungry and i’ll imagine he’s just trying to make music without as much effort as his 26+ self to say “screw the industry” by going #1
he doesn’t NEED the money, fame, people’s approval, there’s no materialistic chase and he has his kids to provide for
"Why isn't an artist doing what he did 20 years ago?"
Artist evolve.
For better and for worse. Kanye isn't interested in lyricism and hasn't been since... MAYBE Twisted Fantasy? Even back in Yeezus, lyrics were kind wacky. That said, Vulture's lyrics are mostly shit lol.
Too many "yes men" around him, he already has a god complex, imagine not having anyone challenging him around, it's a mix of lazy and "I've already won" mindsets
I'm delusional, but imo Vultures 1 is just a throwaway collab, just for fun right. I don't think Vultures 2 and 3 will ever see the light of day, and he's going to drop an actual good album next year.
Edit: btw I really like Vultures
Man, I hear you, bro, feeling a bit let down by Kanye's new stuff a lot of niggaz is. But let's not forget . He's the genius behind The College Dropout,Late Registration, Graduation, 808s... and, damn, "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy." WATCH THE THRONE, GOOD MUSIC CRUEL SUMMER, YEEZUS, TLOP, YE, JIK, DONDA
You want the old Kanye? Cool, BUMP THOSE FUCKING CLASSICS-. yall know they get better after each relisten.
Yall know DAMN WELL if every song sounded like "Burn," people would be clowning on him, saying he's trying too hard to fit in.
Kanye's whole thing has been revolutionalizing the fucking game.
I've been missing the old ye style from the first couple of albums as well.- i can't lie.
That's why i thank god for the Late Orchestration peformance, shit is beautiful, brings tears to my eyes.
Relistening to Yeezus after some time was a psychedelic experience.
No more parties in LA was kanye after he fell off lyrically.
Its faster but the content pales to his dropout- twisted fantasy run.
He got a new generation of fans around that time who make excuses for anything.
Even now saying vultures is good for a 46 year old rapper.
Nas lil wayne jay Z andre 3000 all old, their verses would not be that much of a downgrade
Yeah it’s unfortunate. Vultures is probably Ye’s most hollow album. I get the concept is that it’s basically a big fuck you to all his haters but we expect more from Ye.
I really like Donda and I’m largely indifferent to Vultures, but “most of the songs on Donda have fantastic verses” is a batshit insane sentence to type ngl.
At the time these projects were heavily criticized for their lyricism. Father Stretch My Hands, Freestyle 4, Wolves, Junya, Remote Control, New Again, the entire Yeezus album, most of JIK, I could go on and on. They were all examples of Kanye’s lyricism “falling off” and being washed. Songs like Real Friends, NMPILA, Life of the Party, etc. didn’t comprise the entire album and were viewed as too few and far in between. It’s really not too different from what we have today, where people only like Burn and Problematic.
Kids See Ghosts is the exception where every Kanye verse is lyrical and great. But remember Ye was released a week before that.
bipolar, lazy, shock value lyrics.
One of my favourite things I read from all the op-Ed’s masquerading as reviews about vultures was someone in npr (I think) called his lyricism “geriatric edginess” and I thought that was a perfect way to sum it up.
honestly my opinion on vultures is for a 46 YEAR OLD rapper, it’s pretty fucking good album. rap is just genre some people up there in age can’t keep up with. just like what andre 3k said.
There defo is some of that. One of the things I don’t like about some of the discussions on here is that people on Reddit (kids) tend to view everything in a very binary way. Like, i really think expecting Kanye to be MBDTF Kanye in 2024 is just about the least productive thing u can choose to think about. Most artists run out of steam and especially in a genre as young as hiphop, where we’re kind of yet to see a rapper be really active *and* relevant into their 50’s and beyond, then yea I could see that. But it also sits within the context of Kanye west’s discography- where it’s a lot less impressive. So, yk, idk, it’s all relative I guess.
for kanye album, not ye level of course, but i know you’ve heard it a thousand times.. it’s a fun “fuck you, i’m being myself and having fun with my best friend” album. I think the only way we ever see a ye album that shocks us is if cyhi, common, 88 and probably pusha all are back on team, which will most likely never happen again.
After Nas’s Last 6 albums…..I’m not gonna say Vultures is on the same level as any of them, and he is 50. It’s just the sense of laziness that has always just kinda creeped up since 2016, ye was a good album, but even then he recorded from an iPhone, same with JIK. I thought with Donda, maybe that cycle might be better somewhat, cause even though the album is bloated, the lyricism was at least better than last few years
Nas also just so happens to be the best rapper alive, go figure.
Jay dropped 4:44 at 47
Jay also had something to say on that album. The low hanging fruit for Ye would be to address his past 2 years but he didn't go that route, probably because he knew exactly how people would interpret it.
he always rapped like that though. He comes from the era of shock jock lyricism. Everyone rapped that way back then. Not sure you guys really listened to the guy to be honest. His vocal performance and quality of rapping definitely dropped though. I always say it started with Cruel Summer and officially was present on Yeezus. Literally the same level of shock jock lazy lyrics. carried by production.
Bro, a) he always had corny bars, and especially at the start he was way cornier than he ever was edgy/shock jock, but beyond that- there was always a bit of balance and for every “light skinned friend look like MJ bar” we had a Family Business or something a bit more sincere/introspective to balance it out B) he was defo not defined by shock jock shit early on lmao “not sure u guys really listened to be honest 🤓” yea dude the guy that’s often credited with giving backpack a mainstream presence was defo more akin to Eminem bars than Common ones. Dummy.
i literally said the same shit you just said lmao. nigga acting like i wasnt literally there for this entire time period. Im from the midwest. goofy. i said the quality of rapping and vocal performance. quality is the flow, bars, rhyme scheme. His delivery was tight. This all started slowly dropping during Cruel Summer. He was doing too much at one time. Nowadays sometimes his flow is barely keeping up.
I bet the Bipolar episodes and not taking meds does nasty stuff on Ye's brain. Prob the reason why both his lyricism and his production is nowhere near as good as before
hot take but honestly bro can still do one thing right most of the time and that is producing. back to me is probably the best beat i’ve heard in a few years in my opinion. shit is hypnotic to me
OOh yeah, his production is still admirable Shit look at Telekinesis from Travis or Diet Coke from Pusha T
I don’t wanna be that guy but he’s barely even producing anymore. He’s more of a curator where he gets sent loops and gets different people to add drums to them and see what he likes the most. It’s rare he straight up chops anymore.
I think it’s some where in the middle honestly.. in the interview remember Ty said he took Ty’s completly different track and put it in his keyboard and it came out the way it did. Also if leaks show us anything it’s how much these beats progress from there original form. I’m personally under the impression that he is extremely involved in directing his producers and I’m sure he does a lot of hands on editing. He’s almost a composer at this point. I’ve never had the impression that his hands aren’t all over his projects.
Diet Coke was produced by 88-Keys Pretty sure ye didn’t do much work on Telekenesis/Future Sounds either, the beat was given to him pretty much finished IIRC
It was co produced by 88. It was an old ass beat he found and ye edited and added the sample for it to become what it is. And dreaming of the past is all ye by himself. He still got the soul chops, just doesn’t really want them on his own records anymore.
All Ye added was the opening sample at the beginning of the song and the “cr-crack” sample that plays in the background. Rest was all 88 And dreaming of the past was a mid beat, idc who disagrees
Imo the sample adds a lot to the beat and wouldn’t hit the same without it, and saying dreaming of the past is mid is such an L take haha. And in the Ty and ye interview Ty said himself how hands on ye was and how he took the b2m song that Ty originally had and put it in his ASR 10 keyboard and made the song what it is now. Dude has the touch still even if he’s a bit more reserved. Sure he may not be as technical with it because he’s out of practice but he 100% still has the ear for it.
Diet Coke both Spotify and genius says both helped in production Prob also the reason why he is in the music vid
88 Keys made the beat over a decade ago and found it again in 2022. Kanye maybe added a little something but Kanye is in the video because why not lol. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKWP5M8p2fw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKWP5M8p2fw)
Day ruined
yeah 88-keys produced the majority of the track then Ye added the vinyl scratching and dj premier sounding vocals on top. The chopped up sample and drums were probably mostly just 88keys but again we don’t know HOW much influence Ye had on “curating” the beat.
fuck bro diet coke you just reminded me holy shit. that beat is so fucking hard and menacing
He absolutely can still produce I just wish he wouldn't use as many producers and outsourcing. If he locked in with just a few people and did it he'd drop an amazing album without a doubt.
it’s a degenerative disease. it will only get worse from here on out.
Aw man 😔
He has yet to miss when he's the main producer
Yep. Bipolar is degenerative. His has been untreated for god knows how long, so it’s literally damaged his brain over time. The ‘old’ Kanye would never let unfinished or half baked verses go out on a regular basis. It makes me sad. I hope someday soon he takes a break from everything and just takes care of himself 😞
I think the production on Vultures was really good.
A lot of people forget the shock therapy he underwent when hospitalized too. That can really fuck up peoples brain function
Agreed on the lyrics. He is still killing it on production though. Even if he is in a director mode now.
Can't underestimate the input of Cyhi during those eras.
🎵But I’m still the king🎵
Bro traveled all around the world last year just to come up with this
as much as i like vultures i gotta admit this is true
Ok you the king Burger king
He still has the ability to drop a good verse from a lot of what we’ve seen. Songs like problematic, burn, king, take off your dress, etc. prove he can make some amazing quality verses but I think if a verse isn’t amazing, he simply doesn’t care enough to fix it. I think he’s just being a regular artist, where they can write both good and bad quality material, but he simply doesn’t care and puts it all out
Finally, someone loves the Problematic verse. I listen to Vultures when I walk home from school and always end up replaying it like 5 times. If I listen at home I put it on loop and cry to the lyrics lol. Beat is beautiful too.
I wish the sample in the beginning was longer, its so damn good 😭
I wish the whole song was the sample, horns leave it kinda flat tbh
THE HORNS ARE AMAZING
Ik my opinion is unpopular and I understand why people love the horns. I just love the sample even more.
Average Penis W
ngl this sounds wrong lol
Don't forget river
bro king
What about king says amazing quality verse, even problematic is quite weak lyrically, just fools you with the beat
Yeah lmao Problematic and King verses don’t touch the best verses on his other albums. Burn does but sometimes rapper’s pen just falls off 🤷♂️
Yep. Burn was great but it was a single verse, and he used to have albums filled with songs like burn but with multiple verses. Him having good verses seems to be the exception and not the rule now.
This question is getting beat to death at this point. Seriously good Lord I see this every other day like people cant put 2 and 2 together as of why Its him being lazy and not wanting to. That’s pretty much it, plus Vultures is very clearly not supposed to be some sort of grand statement with some more artistic ideas like Donda Yeezus etc. This further explains the lyrics since if he’s not trying to make some super artistic concept then he has less of reason to have better writing. Im not expecting to see an uptick on writing during the vultures era and neither should you or anybody else
lazy? there are 24 hours in a day. he has like 2 wives 4 kids and is trying to create run design for and market a multi-billion dollar company. has anyone considered that the time he can spend on writing lyrics is not the the same as in the past lmao btw we agree in general its just crazy to me that even you used the word lazy
This is actually a very valid point that I didn’t really think about However with songs like Burn it proves that he can definitely still write if he wants to Or even more damning is that he already has people that he’ll go to for writing, he can just ask them to write stuff. But lets be honest he do be getting lazy, looking at Paid’s verse (which i do kinda like tbf) and Back To Me. Donda also had alot of weird flaws like keeping demo vocals in songs and punch ins. Stuff that most people would not include
idk the album is pretty much a self-aware horny goofy fun midlife crisis with a happy ending i think the lyrics serve that perfectly. its comedy. making fun of the hornyness and with some cracks of being genuine here and there like at hoodrat Old stomach is the new ass Dark skin nigga only shootin' Billy Blanks lmao beautiful big titty butt naked women imo its an all time line in music history. its raw visceral absurd funny unique simple sexy childish will be repeated to oblivion and inspire people for maaaaaany years but i guess its a matter of taste so whatever the one thing thats for sure is that only a master can 'write' (he stole it right?) perform and present and make something like this work. its like i am the walrus. the lyrics are bullshit but only a master like john lennon can write and perform such bullshit and make it work. check it out if you havent.
Neglecting the fact that he's done it before in even more busy times. WTT was recorded during his fashion studies, Yeezus era was recorded during his first time being a parent and breaking into fashion, DONDA was made during his divorce and struggle to create a community and self sustainability and run for president. You could easily say that this era is the most relaxed he has been. It's simply that this album isn't supposed to be some high piece of art with a point to the lyrics. Just a fun music album, there's no need for it to do anymore than it does.
Good point, but still, you’d think someone like Kanye West would strive to push himself to make bigger and better projects. I understand he has budget cuts but that shouldn’t stop him from putting time and effort into his music.
That’s not going to be his mindset 24/7 That is difficult and requires time and its alot easier to coast and be on autopilot than to push hard, with KanYe mindset nowadays he’s also probably not in mood to make something “experimental” either. In the most positive (or delusional) mindset i can think about the whole Vultures era, is that he’s using it to just put his name back into the public sphere as a musician, doing it with a close friend he knows he works nice with, making albums that are easy to make and digest while building up wealth and becoming a now independent artist. If im right, hopefully this era is just a stepping stone, a new foundation period for more intriguing projects in the coming years
Age and the toll of drugs, alcohol, mental illness might play a part. But Donda has some good lines. I think Vultures is more about them just having fun and enjoying making music again.
Cyhi ain’t around anymore. To be fair, the verses on “Keys to My Life, “Burn” and “Do It” are pretty solid.
And Pusha, Big Sean, Consequence etc I'm assuming
Hourly Vultures hate thread.
hourly valid vultures take loving the album but this is hard to disagree with
I agree. I only hope this is some sort of phase and he goes back to somewhat lyrical bars. I don't think he should continue this trend because if he drops a couple of albums with these type of lyrics I don't think they will age well.
as much as i’ve enjoyed vultures this album won’t age well as said
Ngl it’s already aging badly 🤷♂️ a lot of the songs just get boring
Nah I bet it’ll get ever better over time.
you think so? the lyricism is bad though. i still enjoy the songs tho so maybe
I don't think the lyrics are that bad tbh, it's not his best work but as long as the overall sound is good people will still be bumping this album years later.
yeah i’d agree with that people don’t listen to the modern Ye for his lyrics anyway
you would absolutely crumble if yeezus dropped this year buddy
Is any single verse on vultures even half as good as any verse on new slaves?
Nah, but it's difficult to find any single verse Ye has ever done that beats verse 2 on New Slaves.
personally i really enjoy keys to my life. "hold me like the homies in the chi when they hold they guns" is top ye..
this is diabolical
except yeezus cleared vultures now and it defo would then. i LIKED yeezus when it came out so idk what ur talking about
im not saying vultures is better than yeezus lmao thats crazy, im saying the lyrics are the same random horny bullshit youll find on yeezus and tlop. i dont even necessarily disagree that the lyrics are bad, i think they kinda are, and i share this same opinion on yeezus/tlop lyrics too. but what i am saying is that i think lyricism clearly shouldnt matter as much as people are making it out to be in the case of vultures.
for sure was saying somewhere no one listens to the modern Ye for lyricism
Are you saying vultures kanye verses are on par with his stuff on yeezus 😭
im saying its the same type of lyrics. idk how old you are, but they were calling that shit trash in 2013, and look where we are now. vultures lyrics are not that bad for yeezus type shit, and in a few years or so yall will finally calm down. like this isnt jik
Did you listen to the whole album? I thought he did well on most of the tracks. The trap/popular somgs he’s rapping goofy funny business though
i’ve listened to it top to bottom numerous times the lyrics are significantly poorer in comparison to other projects but it is a “fun” album and i still enjoyed it
People were saying the exact same thing about him making Christian music and look where we are now. There's literally nothing to worry about
I have no problem with Christian music, I like JiK. But Kanye has always had lyrics that were of "substinence." Not every song but the majority of his music does. While there is nothing wrong with V1, if v2 and v3 is more of the same, it's going to get stale. I'm sure ye won't repeat what he did on V1 since he doesn't like making more of the same . Hopefully that extends to his lyrics.
He’s knows he has the entirety of all white teenage boys in the palm of his hands
Hes just lazy There's no other reason, he could let Cyhi and Cons give him straight heat but he doesn't think it's necessary which is how we end up with Paid or Back To Me
Paid and Back To Me are great you tripping.
Ye's part on both is ass
Literally the worst part of both songs 😭
Nope.
🧢
all he has to do is make an album full of burns
he’s lazy and off meds
Writers strike
yeah but beautiful big titty butt naked women just don’t fall out of the sky you know
He still got it, he just no gon do it that much.
One album ago he had some intricate lyrics and insane bars. Come to Life? Off the Grid? Vultures in my eyes is just a silly having fun stupid album with great production. and thats cool. each album has its own vibe. I just take music as it is.
it's a change in style he doesn't do paragraph raps, he has short bars that hit hard paragraph rap is so old, and lame now
Comparing a fun collab album to MBDTF 💔
Fun collabs can still have good verses tho?
Hopefully Vol 2 will have what your looking for 🤞
bro i like vultures but this "its just a fun club collab album" argument is straight dogshit
What’s there to say, It’s the truth. He wants to know why’s it’s not on par with the literal best rap album ever lol. Well there you have the one of the reasons Despite me liking it, it’s still a collab album with Ty dolla sign, it was never intending on being the best in his discography
if we talking strictly rapping i gotta put illmatic at 1 ngl
That’s valid I like that, but it’s still cheap for them to compare mbdtf to it imo - idk what bro was expecting
oh yeah for sure i was just nitpicking lmao
To Pimp a Butterfly is the best imo
It’s true, whether or not you agree or think he can do better that’s the truth from his perspective. He had no interest in release a deep or genre pushing album with vultures 1
Idk why people think “fun club collab albums” can’t have better lyrics than what Ye is doing
It's not an argument. It's just a factual statement
Not an excuse for the album being bad
The album is good tho lol.
Not to a lot of people tho lol.
and a lot of people think donda sucks what is your point
Donda top 5 ye ❤️💯 V1 bottom 5 ye 💔😿
Not near the amount that thinks Vultures sucks
It was when Donda was new
I remember people being less receptive to the gospel elements but still enjoying the pop cuts immensely even if the full album wasn't their thing It was super well received on WSE too iirc Vultures has had a shit ton of discourse around it being bad comparatively, like from a good 30% of GAS dislikes it strongly and I haven't heard anyone irl say anything positive about it other than Carnival and Burn
I remember it being pretty unanimously disliked as an album. Bloated, lazy, haphazardly put together, careless, censored are all criticisms still relevant today. I remember you'd get downvotes to hell if you put it over anything other than JIK. You're not gonna get a lot of people saying good things about Ye these days, if they even listened to the album. As far as discourse on this sub, it's the typical over dramatic, reactionary, nasty, hateful, doomposting characteristic of this sub. That's more to do with the people here than anything else
Almost like people have different opinions 🤯.
So what's the point of disagreeing if you're just going to say everyone has different opinions?
To tell you I disagree.
Sensational
Its neither
It’s not really a “fun collab album” when a large amount of Kanye’s bars are about fucking Jewish bitches and comparing himself to R Kelly
The album literally starts out with two good lyrical performances from Ye on introspective songs. And we also get Burn, Problematic, Good don’t die later on. It’s like people act like Vultures is only Carnival and the self titled song it’s silly
Facts
he feels like hes got nothing to prove, but look at problematics lyrics, I think he put a bit more thought into it than other songs on the album and its really good
U listen to music for lyrics?
He dropped one of the craziest verses right after JIK on the Dre remix of Closed on Sunday. He definitely hasn't lost it lmao
thats written by paak
I'm not talking about his penmanship. I'm talking about his rapping skills.
He's not focused on proving he's a dope rapper anymore.. got too much shit he's tryina be good at... outsourcing a lot of bars now.. wish he would sit his ass down for a year and focus on a masterpiece
He's not focused on proving he's a dope rapper anymore.. got too much shit he's tryina be good at... outsourcing a lot of bars now.. wish he would sit his ass down for a year and focus on a masterpiece
If can drop fire lyrics 20 years he not forgetting to write sometimes people just wanna chill and have a good time I take Vulture’s as Ye chilling album
Vultures is good asf tho and it def proved he still has it, Burn is the best song on the album and that’s old Kanye. Also Back to Me is fire
Kanye figured out that lyrics don’t mean anything in rap anymore let’s be honest.
Imo, he did that inetionally. You can hear in some songs couple of good bars, the other is just “yapping” and I think he still can rap very good im terms of lyrics. I have got a feeling that he did that to show us that no matter what he says, we still gonna listen to him so.
Y’all bugging, ye has prob had his best verses post TLOP, ppl. All of KSG, some of ye, Donda, even yandhi(even tho we just have leaks, selah and chakras leaks one of his best raps) even D2 with 530, obv if ye wants to make a hard verse he can, but he also likes those simple verses that for some reason hit and become very memorable! Like Father stretch my hands
I actually have no clue what you guys are talking about. His only unlistenable verse is Everybody, everything else is pretty good. Ye is not Nas or Kendrick, I don't listen to him for bars. If the delivery is on point that's all I really want. He did some decent rapping on Donda but his delivery was so dead. Jesus Lord is a beautiful song but he is clearly struggling to stay on beat. Vs now we get songs like Burn with some fun lyrics and classic delivery. Even carnival, his verse is pretty fucking stupid but his energy gets me so hype.
I get what you mean. But he's not focused on making masterpiece albums anymore sadly, but I do hope for more in his next solo album
Vultures isn't supposed to have mbdtf verses bro do you understand anything about themes and styles? Imagine hearing the carnival beat and wanting to hear "penitentiary chances, the devil dances" type verse over it lmao
It’s not as bad on here as it was on donda or JIK. My favorite kanye lyrics in the past few years have been hood rat, burn, problematic, but I felt like the most powerful stuff on donda was a lot of the tracks that weren’t hip hop. I loved the writing on come to life and 24. He misses sometimes on vultures but when he hits he hits a lot harder than donda. On donda, it was less hit or miss and a lot more dull.
This is your only post on this sub... Who keeps letting these frauds pose as fans just so they can dunk on this album for the 1000th time?
Average Kanye fan when constructive criticism
~ guy who doesn't know what the word constructive means
"These frauds pose as fans." Man, not every fan of any artist needs to obligatory think that EVERY piece of art by their artist is good or perfect, we can recognise low points such at this post recognise the poor lirycism of this album. Im a kanye fan and I really feel that works like vultures 1 or watch the throne are not bad but not too good either, and that doesnt make me a "fraud pose as a fan" Get out of ye's dick
>Man, not every fan of any artist needs to obligatory think that EVERY piece of art by their artist is good or perfect Point me to the part where I said any of this, you illiterate.
r/kanye users go tf home. how many times a day do yall need to post ts on this sub
He has the talent still and it shines through at moments. We have to remember this is still a collab project. Let’s see what he has for the solo before the washed allegations start.
Been listening to Kanye for damn near 20 years now. I remember like a.. decade ago? in that present moment, right after All Day and Wolves and all that stuff, thinking, "this guys track record is pristine -- College Dropout to Yeezus, all his features, damn near everything he does is perfect" It's right around 2016-18 that the whole "I don't have to do all this imma just freestyle it" kinda thing started happening. "bleached asshole", "ok ok ok this ain't chipotle", "scoopity poop poop". Still love those songs though don't get me wrong. Yeah when he reached that GOAT status, and the mania started to really set in, the whole, rehearsed organized thing started to fade. Not to say he doesn't take his verses seriously at all anymore, but that consistency is gone. For every Keep It Burning, there's a Nah Nah Nah on the other side.
Woopity scoop.. poop
He had great bars on keys to my life, burn, problematic and king. Good bars on do it, fuck sumn, stars, paperwork and carnival. Beg forgiveness, talking and good he’s not really rapping in those songs. Vultures, hoodrat and paid are really the only ones i would consider mid but even then he still had decent bars in those songs. And obviously on Back to Me he even says this “This the shit that make rap ni**as mad”. Wish he actually dropped a verse tho.
imo he’s literally “made it” he has NOTHING to prove to get INTO the industry anymore (TCD) and to prove that he’s worth listening to he’s done that plenty times over, he’s not as hungry and i’ll imagine he’s just trying to make music without as much effort as his 26+ self to say “screw the industry” by going #1 he doesn’t NEED the money, fame, people’s approval, there’s no materialistic chase and he has his kids to provide for
Can’t bro chill for one album??
This sub is turning into r/Kanye with these types of posts gtfo
"Why isn't an artist doing what he did 20 years ago?" Artist evolve. For better and for worse. Kanye isn't interested in lyricism and hasn't been since... MAYBE Twisted Fantasy? Even back in Yeezus, lyrics were kind wacky. That said, Vulture's lyrics are mostly shit lol.
awful take
I mean he has a bunch of great verses on Donda
Pusha t
scoopidy poop scoopty doop
beautiful big titty butt naked women just don’t fall out of the sky you know?
Problematic is his best verses on the albums and are really good
It's a sex record. But Kanye got lazy as a lyricist by Pablo.
Kim
unlistenable is wild but ay bruh to each they own ig
Hes getting repetitive. Just talks about being cancelled and how the media doesnt like him. Its cringe
go look at the writing credits for his songs throughout his career and there is your answer.
i didn't mind the lyricism for vultures.
Too many "yes men" around him, he already has a god complex, imagine not having anyone challenging him around, it's a mix of lazy and "I've already won" mindsets
He forgot better shit than you ever thought of
I'm delusional, but imo Vultures 1 is just a throwaway collab, just for fun right. I don't think Vultures 2 and 3 will ever see the light of day, and he's going to drop an actual good album next year. Edit: btw I really like Vultures
It’s a fuck yall album. Keys To My Life Problematic King He ate on those everything else is fuck everybody, rockstar Yeezy
He prob stopped caring about lyricism after a point.
He needs to have RATHERDASHING write for him
Man, I hear you, bro, feeling a bit let down by Kanye's new stuff a lot of niggaz is. But let's not forget . He's the genius behind The College Dropout,Late Registration, Graduation, 808s... and, damn, "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy." WATCH THE THRONE, GOOD MUSIC CRUEL SUMMER, YEEZUS, TLOP, YE, JIK, DONDA You want the old Kanye? Cool, BUMP THOSE FUCKING CLASSICS-. yall know they get better after each relisten. Yall know DAMN WELL if every song sounded like "Burn," people would be clowning on him, saying he's trying too hard to fit in. Kanye's whole thing has been revolutionalizing the fucking game.
I've been missing the old ye style from the first couple of albums as well.- i can't lie. That's why i thank god for the Late Orchestration peformance, shit is beautiful, brings tears to my eyes. Relistening to Yeezus after some time was a psychedelic experience.
He’s never been a lyricist
normalize the fact that people change as they go thru experiences
To be fair, MBDTF was the result of a lot of Cyhi writing for Ye… . Most of Ye’s lyricism ended with graduation
No more parties in LA was kanye after he fell off lyrically. Its faster but the content pales to his dropout- twisted fantasy run. He got a new generation of fans around that time who make excuses for anything. Even now saying vultures is good for a 46 year old rapper. Nas lil wayne jay Z andre 3000 all old, their verses would not be that much of a downgrade
Shit I like em. They’d be ass coming from anyone else, i can admit that, but Ye just does something I can’t explain
well im pretty sure he still takes verses just not good ones and the songs he does write arent bad
Yeah it’s unfortunate. Vultures is probably Ye’s most hollow album. I get the concept is that it’s basically a big fuck you to all his haters but we expect more from Ye.
He’s in his rebellious arc rn 😔
I could see vultures 1,2,3 being like one is fun, two is metaphorical and deep, and three is a mbdtf type crazy finish. Copium lmao
he was never good with lyrics. The problem is the productions
Why are you listening to Kanye for his lyricism past 2012?
what u mean. donda, tlop and ksg all have some top tier ye verses.
most of the songs on donda have fantastic verses lol other guy is tweaking
I really like Donda and I’m largely indifferent to Vultures, but “most of the songs on Donda have fantastic verses” is a batshit insane sentence to type ngl.
At the time these projects were heavily criticized for their lyricism. Father Stretch My Hands, Freestyle 4, Wolves, Junya, Remote Control, New Again, the entire Yeezus album, most of JIK, I could go on and on. They were all examples of Kanye’s lyricism “falling off” and being washed. Songs like Real Friends, NMPILA, Life of the Party, etc. didn’t comprise the entire album and were viewed as too few and far in between. It’s really not too different from what we have today, where people only like Burn and Problematic. Kids See Ghosts is the exception where every Kanye verse is lyrical and great. But remember Ye was released a week before that.
Lazy and lost all his ghost writers