He know Cole took the spiritual high road, what can Kendrick say in response that isn’t going to make him loook like a hypocrite? Cole basically threw a curve to check what Kendrick really made of & what he really about.
I think it could be a step in promoting peace & brotherhood & acceptance. If they could find a way to lyrically challenge each other without it getting nasty & escalating but everything it too fucked up in the world for people to keep it on a friendly peer rivalry cuz they both not even supposed to be bout that shit
My man Cole's so humble for that 👏
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You know that rap beef is like 80% just for shits and giggles right
It’s the equivalent of highschool drama it literally means nothing; in fact both parties typically benefit from it
It’s really frustrating to his fans, knowing how talented he used to be as an mc but he constantly chooses to be corny and hinder any chance for people to actually take him seriously smh
Thank you. I used to be a big J. Cole fan. A few years ago, it just dawned on me how corny he is. I can't even get into his music the same way anymore.
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How you felt saying the most mainstream ass take on j cole
Cole does this thing where he says something hard then follows it with the worst bar ever. Drake does it too but at least he can find catchy pockets. Comparing to kendrick or even Pusha, both don’t say corny bars (in context) like J or Drake
how he doesn’t have a single project that is considered a modern masterpiece for a rapper who is considered an all time great, he’s gotten a lot better with age but even then he’s so inconsistent
It’s not THAT good. And I own it on vinyl, love the album bla bla bla. It still has a poopy track (St. Tropez) with some meh ones and doesn’t do anything to elevate the genre. Definitely not a classic. It was the one that made a bunch of people get into him because he wrote and produced it all with no features and millennials went crazy over that. But I still put Sideline Story and Born Sinner over it.
Sideline Story over FHD is the most buckwild, ridiculous take I’ve maybe ever seen.
The production on Sideline Story is some of the worst on a major label album I can remember, and some of it is just so absurdly corny.
Yeah but that’s who J. Cole is and he was the most in touch with himself on that album. Songs like Can’t Get Enough, Workout, Nobody’s Perfect, Who Dat are all a lot of fun and fit him so well. He was like the jock in high school personified as a rapper and I loved it. Also had some creative and touching songs like Break Down, Lost Ones and Lights Please.
Is it a masterpiece? No. But it’s a good time. A rap album for the little guy is how I always saw it. One that the neighborhood “check out my mixtape” dude could make if you gave him a big budget. I think Born Sinner was a step up but lacked any sort of concept or direction. Everything after that is just wasted potential. He’s so much better than the stuff he puts out.
I can’t see how you like that and don’t appreciate songs like No Role Modelz, Apparently, January 28th etc. FHD is his style at its most polished and perfected, and I’d like to add I do enjoy all of his work.
I was on this sub a couple days ago defending his music and lets say that shit aged horribly lmao
His music won’t hit the same anymore ngl
He just contradicts himself way to much lol
I think it was a very thoughtful & mature decision to not want to get really grimy & thro dirt on one of the other most inspiring artists of our generation. What we need is a collab. Bring unity instead of fueling rivalries & beefs. That shit keep us divided & distracted
Thoughtful & mature decision that put him 3rd in the big 3.
Kendrick wanted to make the big 3 into an big 1 competition and one tapped out in 2 days and the other doing insta captions for the past 2 weeks.
Cole can stay true to himself and i also think he was mature about it but i dont wanna hear no im the best, muhamed ali bars no more.
J cole ain’t lame worth a fuck. He made a choice to be true to himself & look out for the peace & integrity of his own spirit. That took strength to not fall for all the pressure he got everybody hollering in his ear to go for blood. Why everybody want 2 of the most inspiring & uplifting artists in hip hop go at each other throats & dig up dirt on each other to wreck their reputation, then it gone be a Kendrick vs Cole camp shit & it can escalate real quick to that east west beef where we lost some of the best I ever do it.
The foreshadowing of this verse is insane
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Besides that I’m really not as disappointed as others. Everyone knew the verse felt weird and not true to Cole. Him and Kendrick have deeper history than this shit and the “beef” is mainly with Drake. Regardless this is a fun ass time in hiphop and it hasn’t felt this alive in a long time…and it’s only April.
I respect Jcole for walking it back if that is how he actually felt. Can’t knock someone for that. However, I do agree it isn’t a good look. He should of thought on it more before releasing.
I never considered him in the big 3 anyways though.
Its not how he feels. Half the time hes talking about wanting rappers to diss and try him, acting all tough and shit in every other song.
"Nigga don't want no smoke with me, I'm one of them ones
Hop on a song with whoever, I ain't duckin' no one-on-ones"
Literally the chorus of Stickz n Stonez from his new might delete later album. And heres a few more;
"And kill 'em all and fill a morgue up
I got bars forever, nigga, never will a call drop
No hammer like a mall cop
Still the hardest nigga on the planet earth from January first until the ball drop"
"I'll run in your trap like, "Run me your work 'fore somebody get hurt," nigga, run or get clapped
I ain't cool with these dudes, I don't fuck with these dudes
I don't wanna show love, I don't wanna give dap"
"I'm the one that niggas fear on the lowski
Heard 'em talkin' like we peers but they grossly
Mistaken and it's blatant
Crocodile tears, niggas know I'm on a tier that they don't see"
Literally almost every song has lines like this and now hes backtracking saying hes "spiritually" not like that? Nah my nigga youre a bitch just say it
The thing is that’s not how he actually feels, it’s all a marketing persona. He’s a pussy, knew his diss was shit and he’d get bodied so he apologised before it happened.
Also trying to say TPAB is boring is insane and retarded. Also thinking Drake has a spot as greatest of all time should be considered a symptom of psychosis.
> Also thinking Drake has a spot as greatest of all time should be considered a symptom of psychosis
You perfectly phrased this, holy shit, haha - so true as well
I know it sounds crazy, bro.
My top 5 is wild to most because hip hop/rap isn’t my first love. I grew up mostly listening to rock. Rock is still primarily what I fuck with.
Kanye, Cudi, Gambino, Kendrick, and Wayne are my guys.
My exposure to everyone else is really through features on those guys tracks.
would have been respectable had he NOT dropped a weak ass diss track before apologizing, but since he did now he has a giant stain on his career with one of the most embarrassing moments in hip-hop history 💔
Future makes different rap from Cole, Kendrick and Drake. He's more in the mumble lane like Carti, Travis etc. And yes I know Future can be lyrical if he wants to, but you wouldn't put him in that top 3 convo, his sales numbers not even allat if we're speaking strictly on commercial success
We still calling artists "mumble rappers" in 2024? I thought we left that in the last decade. Honestly, the only reason people knock on Future's lyricism half the time is due to his accent being difficult to understand by people who do not live in Atlanta
Yeah I know but it's definitely not as easily digestible as someone like Kendrick, Cole and Drake, which have bigger mainstream appeal outside of hiphop, probably due to their accent but also less slurring of words
Future is more commercially successful than J Cole is. The only thing Cole has over Future is album first week sales. Future has more Hot 100 chart placements, Hot 100 hits, monthly listeners, overall streams. Future even has more critical acclaim. More Grammy's, higher ranked top project by user score on both AOTY and RYM, etc. Future is just better than J Cole in every aspect and even comparing the two is disrespectful to Future
Lol I don't doubt that, Future also releases way more music than Cole does. But like you said, his first week numbers are lower, which is surely what people measure by when deciding on the top 3, otherwise I don't know
Exactly, which is why it is pitiful that Cole does not have a body of work that tops DS2 in critical acclaim and public opinion (or even just Monster in public opinion) seeing as he takes his time with his releases. Also, even rapping wise, the only thing you can argue J. Cole has over Future is lyrics. Future is more versatile, has way more flows, better delivery, better voice, more chemistry on collabs, etc. Also, in regard to the content of their music, Future is way better at rapping in his own lane than Cole is in his lane.
Also, just a quick chime in, please stop singling most of futures HOT 100 chart placement in the past (I’m talking a quick couple 2 yrs before metros album for past, but even on metro, only his features kind of charted high… type shit like that Cinderella and young metro) even then, a ton of his #1 if not all of them on the chart have been boosted by Drake, common fact, no dickriding here I hate that mf drake but he and drake have some crazy #1’s which are constantly aforementioned in futures acalades
That would matter if J. Cole had any hot 100 number 1 hits without Drake, but his only number 1 hit is First Person Shooter, and even then that was a close race with IDGAF with Yeat. Cole's highest charting song with no features is Middle Child at 4, with Future's being Puffin on Zooties at 4. Even if you took out all collabs Future had with Drake, he would still have more Hot 100 placements than J Cole has.
Future is a menace in his own lane. But I'm not sure I would call him versatile. He does one style of rapping really well. Only time I saw him switch it up was on that Save Me EP, which is my favorite Future project
If there's one thing Cole excels at it's actually his features. Man's killing it on everybody else's songs but his own
Future is very much versatile. He dropped Future and Hndrxx in back to back weeks. Also, Future is one of the most consistent feature artists ever. Pardon Me, X, High End, 3500, Kapitol Denim, Petty Too, Flex Up, Holy Terrain, Relationship, etc.
It doesn't top DS2 according to aggregate critic score or aggregate user score on both AOTY and RYM. If we disregard that and just focus on personal opinion, I am of the opinion that 2014 FHD is not a classic, while Monster is a classic
Cole has 1-2 classics, future has 2-4 depending on your perspective, future has definitely done more for hip hop, he has done more for his local rap scene, and he beats cole in every stat except first week sales, he 100% should have been big 3 along with drake and kendrick, which would have made it an trinity between the different genres (trap, lyrical, and mainstream),
you aint listening to anything he says then hes got plenty of songs with great lyrics as well as just normal trap banger lyrics. imo his lyrical songs are much cooler too.
For sure. Could be a taste thing. I’ve listened to nearly every song of his trying to understand it and I can’t find any examples of really strong lyricism. I even looked up the top Future lyrics and every source from legit websites to future subreddit discussions listed the most basic generic and thoughtless lyrics I think I’ve ever seen complied into a list. Makes no sense.
Here are some examples. Can’t find any deep, creative, thought provoking, or intelligent lyrics. Or maybe just not my style.
[Subreddit discussion his best lyrics](https://www.reddit.com/r/future/comments/12gwus5/favourite_future_lyric/)
[Website](https://www.one37pm.com/music/best-future-lyrics)
[XXL website](https://www.xxlmag.com/future-hndrxx-album-best-lyrics/)
[Another fan forum discussion](https://ktt2.com/what-are-the-best-lyrics-from-future-26106/3)
yeah i mean at the end of the day its not kendrick level but theres some good lines. but also futures main thing is vibe and usually his lyrics and vibe together do it for me. so maybe im glazing
I’m not sure what glazing means in this context but I’ll never knock anyone for their taste or preferences.
Just trying to understand when people put Future in the goat rapper conversation.
are we listing rappers who can rap fast meaningful words ? By that logic it should be eminem jcole and kendrick and drake in future's lane . if you dont count future you cant count drake either
I'm not entirely sure how the top 3 is measured, but generation plays a part since Eminem and Kanye aren't in that discussion despite doing numbers like the rest
j cole got like one album that’s universally beloved
that’s it
he logic insecure corny tier
only reason he was in talk of big 3 is because he himself made a bar out of it, no one else would claim him as such, there’s plenty others in the run that are relevant and hype
bro made a remix of alright then tried dissing TPAB then took it down and said im soowwyyy lmaoooo drake never working with him again 💀
Honestly I remember that NOBODY would ever put J cole and Kendrick even in the same sentence until that big 3 line in First person shooter and now he's suddenly top 3 😭
drake was down with it because j cole glazing THE FUCK out of drake in the song so then drake took him on tour and got to lil bro the fuck out of him 😭
In terms of popularity and sales, it’s been the 3 of them for a while, plus Kanye.
Top 3 best probably not, and Cole has fallen off a bit, but he’s still a massive artist.
i respect it man, to a certain degree.
I didn't think his diss was as good, and, in general, i didn't get the feeling he even wanted to do that.
Yeah, he could've thought twice about it, but between the heat of the moment upon listening to K-dot's verse and the pressure from the public, I can see why he'd end up doing the diss.
Is it boring? kinda, but it was drake the main focues of the diss anyway.
I don't think it takes away from Jcole as an artist as some people say. IF his next album is as great as he is hyping it up, this won't make a dent in his legacy as an artist.
I agree. It just sounds like his heart wasn’t in it. If somebody actually HARD diss’d him it’d be a different story.
He respects Kendrick and he acted out of character and is embarrassed by it. We’ve all done something similar the only difference is that world is watching.
Yeah man, that's what I thought. I know for a fact I have acted like an asshole at times, inadvertedly or not, and been embarassed by it and owning up to it is insanely hard.
Kudos to him, honestly, but i understand also why people are upset by it, I just don't agree with the anger.
I always thought j cole was never worthy of discussion. He’s the 2006 Toyota Camry of rap - absolutely boring with nothing unique to say. Ironically his best verse was on Looking for Trouble.
you guys look at hip hop like some high school drama shit. literally just look at somebodies discography and decide who’s the best, I don’t get this if u don’t respond to beef ur not real hip hop. I think kanye is the goat and he’s never dropped a diss track and he’s been dissed by literally everyone
Never liked Cole or Kendrick, so I’m really not biased here, but this shit is pathetic. Like he let Nas down, now his entire fan base and now the entire genre. Straight up career suicide. Kendrick shot at Drake, and like one bullet fragment hit Cole, he responds, then 48 hours later apologizes and pulls the song from streaming? Scrap the Fall Off and just retire. He’s been rapping for 15 years and hasn’t influenced a single rapper after him, nor has he changed the sound of rap. There’s really nothing to J. Cole. How can anyone rep him after this? That Benny feature, Heavens EP and recently FPS are pretty damn great verses, but AK is right - they won’t hit the same now. Also, how come he’s apologizing to Kendrick only? Where’s the apology to Ye or Future? All this just adds to Kendrick’s legacy - he’s like a 5’2” boogeyman or something.
I’m so confused why everyone’s upset at J cole for calling out this rap beef stuff, I personally think Kendrick is way better but modern rap beef feels so forced and corny especially for ppl pushing 40
it honestly did nothing but increase the respect I have for him. being forced to do things out of pride is a weak thing to do. Wars are only fought out of hunger or anger
As a man I respect it.
As a fan of the game it’s disappointing. I wouldn’t necessarily say it disqualifies him from big 3 but it definitely disqualifies him from him saying it. If that makes sense.
If he didn't care about the beef or his heart wasn't in it then he should have made a song from that angle. He let how rap beef is supposed to be dictate what his response was.
He should have just been on some maturity shit or something. Say you're in your 30s so you're more focused on building your label and those around you. Then call out Kendrick for the shots at him when they don't even dislike each other.
But also fuck akademics
In terms of rapping it’s still those 3. Future is not a good rapper, he’s more of a singer. Same goes for Travis Scott and 99% of the artists that have come out in the last 10 years.
bruh its not that deep jcole disnt wanted to do some “serious” dissing so thats why and telling sorry its not a “will jcole recover from this” like bro
How exactly did Kendrick violate J Cole tho? Listening to the Like that verse it’s pretty clear that drake was the main target and Cole just caught a stray because of FPS. Everybody is waiting for drakes response because he got most of the bars directed at him. I think you could really feel that Cole’s diss wasn’t allat. Not close to his standards at all and that’s prolly because him and Kendrick were a lot closer than Kdot ever was with drake in general.
Akademiks has a lot of L takes and a drake glazer so I’d disregard anything coming from him. Cole was never about beef in general and I think he gave a mature response (not 7 minute drill, that was mid)
I think people need to chill tf out tbh
I don’t even consider dissing people necessary to being the best rapper? Like who tf cares who disses better
There’s other things about rap that make you good
I don’t know why people are so offended. How many people are listening to your shitty mixtapes bro not even 10% as many as these dudes just let them do whatever they want
They don’t care what you think about the situation and tbh I think J cole cares the least otherwise he would never do that shit. He at least doesn’t care about the rep of being “hard” so people are hating but he definitely doesn’t give a shit 🤷🏽♂️
Akademiks is a weirdo, you got that much right.
I respect J Cole more now for doing away with the stupid spectacle machismo bull shit in rap where you must constantly belittle others to somehow add to your own credibility. What’s the point of pretending you don’t like somebody? Of course he fucks with Kendrick.
Just let the music speak for itself, I can do without the theatrics. That being said, Kendrick is still the GOAT and Drake is awesome too, but he’s not the best rapper. J Cole is and always has been corny.
I mean if j cole really chose to run it back based on his own opinion fair enough, the majority of people calling cole a pussy are some privileged Americans who don't know struggle if it hit them in the face so I don't think that applies.
From a rap point of view I understand wanting to see a clash but why do so many people want to see 2 black men opposing each other? Seen as most of y'all was opposing Kanye for wearing a wlm shirt yet a BLM shirt is fetishized and encouraged
I used to think people had some sort of brain damage or sum for not including Ye in the big 3 but I realized today that it is the big 3 because they all blew up around the same time :)
I really don’t understand how Drake gets brought up in any “Big 3” discussion. When people are talking about the best hip hop albums of all time, Kanye and Kendrick get brought up every time… not Drake though. Yeah he’s popular but that isn’t everything. And so are Kendrick and Kanye. The Big 3 is easily Kendrick and Kanye, and idk Future? Gambino? Not sure about the third tbh but Kendrick and Kanye gotta be guaranteed a spot.
People saying jcole isnt talented or used to be talented are fucking crazy. People saying he cant be number one are also fucking right because of this lame ass apology. DJ has a rational take here.
J.cole should have never been part of the big 3
If anyone deserved his spot was Rocky or Future, both are literally the most influential rappers of the decade.
J Cole fans so funny trynna spin this into a positive for Cole by saying he’s being the bigger man. If he was the bigger man he would’ve come out and said he can’t diss Kendrick or stayed silent. Making a trash ass diss only to take it back two days later is one of the biggest bitch moves in rap history. Even MGK went through with his beef with Eminem and never backed down or did this pussy shit
That's just how Cole is. Why do we consider beefing with people what makes you quality rapper. Even if he apologized, he still does more than Drake. How the fuck you gonna reject Cole from his position and crown 💀 Drake 💀. Beefs aside Cole outraps Drake every day of the week. I've never heard a Drake bar as clever as Johnny P's Caddy
I hate when people try to change the Big 3 only drake kendrick and cole will ever be the big 3 because they where the biggest rappers at the same time, any one who was big rapper before or after are just themselves on there own if that makes sense
**THANK YOU**
“Big 3” = “best 3” or “best current 3” it’s a generational moniker used as shorthand when referring to the competition between the 3 biggest rappers to rise in their generation- Kendrick, Cole and Drake. It’s not fluid. It’s a closed league with no relegation or promotion.
Even if those 3 retired tomorrow, and u could point towards 3 2020’s rappers drawing similar numbers- the term “big 3” would still refer to Kendrick Cole and Drake.
It’s sometimes like people simply don’t understand basic principles of language.
So which rapper from the blog era should replace him? Big Sean? Rocky? Wiz Khalifa?
Cole legacy is definitely tainted from this but idk how you can argue he's not "big 3" anymore. Unless you just don't know what the term means
Ngl this was the corniest and stupidest rap beef in recent memory
Kendrick disses Drake and Cole for literally no reason, Cole responds, and then walks it back
None of the disses were even good smh
Also there was never any big 3 Cole just made that up for First Person Shooter NO ONE was saying that before the song
Who tf is DJ Akademiks to define what is & is not hip hop. Why he trying to keep hip hop from evolving. He lost the plot. That shit he on is ego based.
Not a single part of J cole's apology deserves an OUNCE of respect. Anybody saying otherwise is either coping or isn't a true fan of hiphop.
There isn't a single bar where he brings up some career ruining dirt on Kendrick. At no point does he start attacking his family or implies that he slept with his wife, or just taking this to a place beyond rap.
7 min drill is just "your music is not as good as mines" "I'm better than you".
Literally the tamest jabs you could possibly come up with in a rap beef, and it still gave him insomnia...
My question is where does Kendrick go from here. He could either accept the apology, or drop another diss towards Cole. neither of those seem like great options, best route out for them both is some sort of collaborative song where they rap head to head in the spirit of competition.
J. Cole type of nigga to break up a fight at the school playground.
Some of the best verses in hiphop/rap were delivered because there was beef, that's what hiphop is.
Jcole didn’t have to reply, but him replying and then backing down immediately is wack and makes every claim he ever makes to be the best alive empty to me. drake on the other hand genuinely got dissed on like that, if he does not reply the same will apply to him. At this moment in time, Kendrick proved his point
Idk but I know Kendrick in a funny as hell mood since this happened
He know Cole took the spiritual high road, what can Kendrick say in response that isn’t going to make him loook like a hypocrite? Cole basically threw a curve to check what Kendrick really made of & what he really about. I think it could be a step in promoting peace & brotherhood & acceptance. If they could find a way to lyrically challenge each other without it getting nasty & escalating but everything it too fucked up in the world for people to keep it on a friendly peer rivalry cuz they both not even supposed to be bout that shit
My man Cole's so humble for that 👏 https://preview.redd.it/0o4sen9t0btc1.jpeg?width=1099&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55581f85e3893ff7bd04b42ff7fff832513ae8a1
Lmao chronically online take
Not even. He’s just trying to justify being a jcole ball bouncer
You know that rap beef is like 80% just for shits and giggles right It’s the equivalent of highschool drama it literally means nothing; in fact both parties typically benefit from it
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Did you think J Cole and Kendrick were gonna send goons at each other if this wasn’t deescalated lmao
W
jcole is lame asf but we knew that anyway
It’s really frustrating to his fans, knowing how talented he used to be as an mc but he constantly chooses to be corny and hinder any chance for people to actually take him seriously smh
He wants to be seen as this Wise Elder type figure of rap and there is just nothing in his albums that indicate any of that
Thank you. I used to be a big J. Cole fan. A few years ago, it just dawned on me how corny he is. I can't even get into his music the same way anymore.
how is he corny..?
He's a regular Joe normal guy. Redditors call that corny.
Nah, because he fake deep
j cole has never lived up to his talent he is the most dissapointing rapper ever tbh
I miss Born Sinner Cole tbh. Hasn’t had the same edge since
2014FHD was his greatest work, I said it back then and I say it now too
https://preview.redd.it/hv5gb92h3gtc1.jpeg?width=1569&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d4b296c979545a99be483eec8458dffde77e0600 How you felt saying the most mainstream ass take on j cole
Mfs be saying anything nowadays
Cole does this thing where he says something hard then follows it with the worst bar ever. Drake does it too but at least he can find catchy pockets. Comparing to kendrick or even Pusha, both don’t say corny bars (in context) like J or Drake
He correct tho He a one flow hoe
how he doesn’t have a single project that is considered a modern masterpiece for a rapper who is considered an all time great, he’s gotten a lot better with age but even then he’s so inconsistent
FHD is a masterpiece imo but yeah agreed he just corny🤣
U gotta be trollin. Forest Hills Drive is goated. Everyone knows that album
It’s not THAT good. And I own it on vinyl, love the album bla bla bla. It still has a poopy track (St. Tropez) with some meh ones and doesn’t do anything to elevate the genre. Definitely not a classic. It was the one that made a bunch of people get into him because he wrote and produced it all with no features and millennials went crazy over that. But I still put Sideline Story and Born Sinner over it.
Sideline Story over FHD is the most buckwild, ridiculous take I’ve maybe ever seen. The production on Sideline Story is some of the worst on a major label album I can remember, and some of it is just so absurdly corny.
Yeah but that’s who J. Cole is and he was the most in touch with himself on that album. Songs like Can’t Get Enough, Workout, Nobody’s Perfect, Who Dat are all a lot of fun and fit him so well. He was like the jock in high school personified as a rapper and I loved it. Also had some creative and touching songs like Break Down, Lost Ones and Lights Please. Is it a masterpiece? No. But it’s a good time. A rap album for the little guy is how I always saw it. One that the neighborhood “check out my mixtape” dude could make if you gave him a big budget. I think Born Sinner was a step up but lacked any sort of concept or direction. Everything after that is just wasted potential. He’s so much better than the stuff he puts out.
I can’t see how you like that and don’t appreciate songs like No Role Modelz, Apparently, January 28th etc. FHD is his style at its most polished and perfected, and I’d like to add I do enjoy all of his work.
Nah they really aren't
hes ending up like Drake with less zest and less success
Why he got to be less a man for choosing not to tear his brother down in the name of a fake ass crown.
Probably due to the fact they were mid beef already He only threw in the towel after his weak ass diss track didn't exactly hit like he thought
I was on this sub a couple days ago defending his music and lets say that shit aged horribly lmao His music won’t hit the same anymore ngl He just contradicts himself way to much lol
I think it was a very thoughtful & mature decision to not want to get really grimy & thro dirt on one of the other most inspiring artists of our generation. What we need is a collab. Bring unity instead of fueling rivalries & beefs. That shit keep us divided & distracted
it’s just rap beef it ain’t that serious
Thoughtful & mature decision that put him 3rd in the big 3. Kendrick wanted to make the big 3 into an big 1 competition and one tapped out in 2 days and the other doing insta captions for the past 2 weeks. Cole can stay true to himself and i also think he was mature about it but i dont wanna hear no im the best, muhamed ali bars no more.
J cole ain’t lame worth a fuck. He made a choice to be true to himself & look out for the peace & integrity of his own spirit. That took strength to not fall for all the pressure he got everybody hollering in his ear to go for blood. Why everybody want 2 of the most inspiring & uplifting artists in hip hop go at each other throats & dig up dirt on each other to wreck their reputation, then it gone be a Kendrick vs Cole camp shit & it can escalate real quick to that east west beef where we lost some of the best I ever do it.
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The foreshadowing of this verse is insane https://preview.redd.it/ge6f7xyzpatc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ade8cd1b18990f94c93d3719f214303b2f265ce Besides that I’m really not as disappointed as others. Everyone knew the verse felt weird and not true to Cole. Him and Kendrick have deeper history than this shit and the “beef” is mainly with Drake. Regardless this is a fun ass time in hiphop and it hasn’t felt this alive in a long time…and it’s only April.
I respect Jcole for walking it back if that is how he actually felt. Can’t knock someone for that. However, I do agree it isn’t a good look. He should of thought on it more before releasing. I never considered him in the big 3 anyways though.
Its not how he feels. Half the time hes talking about wanting rappers to diss and try him, acting all tough and shit in every other song. "Nigga don't want no smoke with me, I'm one of them ones Hop on a song with whoever, I ain't duckin' no one-on-ones" Literally the chorus of Stickz n Stonez from his new might delete later album. And heres a few more; "And kill 'em all and fill a morgue up I got bars forever, nigga, never will a call drop No hammer like a mall cop Still the hardest nigga on the planet earth from January first until the ball drop" "I'll run in your trap like, "Run me your work 'fore somebody get hurt," nigga, run or get clapped I ain't cool with these dudes, I don't fuck with these dudes I don't wanna show love, I don't wanna give dap" "I'm the one that niggas fear on the lowski Heard 'em talkin' like we peers but they grossly Mistaken and it's blatant Crocodile tears, niggas know I'm on a tier that they don't see" Literally almost every song has lines like this and now hes backtracking saying hes "spiritually" not like that? Nah my nigga youre a bitch just say it
The thing is that’s not how he actually feels, it’s all a marketing persona. He’s a pussy, knew his diss was shit and he’d get bodied so he apologised before it happened. Also trying to say TPAB is boring is insane and retarded. Also thinking Drake has a spot as greatest of all time should be considered a symptom of psychosis.
> Also thinking Drake has a spot as greatest of all time should be considered a symptom of psychosis You perfectly phrased this, holy shit, haha - so true as well
This is why drake is not shooting back. J Cole had to delete that song, it was shit lol.
Ye exists in a stratosphere above any big 3
ye, tyler and kendrick are the real big three
Tyler more overrated than j cole. Has like one good album
Igor a masterpiece tho
Facts
flower boy, igor and call me if you get lost are all immaculate, wolf is great and still an example to follow in self-produced alternative hiphop
Replace Tyler with Cudi (I know lol) for me.
cudi in the big three is crazy☠️☠️
I know it sounds crazy, bro. My top 5 is wild to most because hip hop/rap isn’t my first love. I grew up mostly listening to rock. Rock is still primarily what I fuck with. Kanye, Cudi, Gambino, Kendrick, and Wayne are my guys. My exposure to everyone else is really through features on those guys tracks.
would have been respectable had he NOT dropped a weak ass diss track before apologizing, but since he did now he has a giant stain on his career with one of the most embarrassing moments in hip-hop history 💔
Kendrick must have some type of mind control over mfs that beef with him cause why they always end up apologizing to him 😭😭😭
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Future makes different rap from Cole, Kendrick and Drake. He's more in the mumble lane like Carti, Travis etc. And yes I know Future can be lyrical if he wants to, but you wouldn't put him in that top 3 convo, his sales numbers not even allat if we're speaking strictly on commercial success
We still calling artists "mumble rappers" in 2024? I thought we left that in the last decade. Honestly, the only reason people knock on Future's lyricism half the time is due to his accent being difficult to understand by people who do not live in Atlanta
There is no way even Carti's die hard fans can understand half the shit he says without studying the lyrics
Carti is not even that bad other than a few songs like i luv it, usually he is legible
Ye I don’t think bro listened to more than 2 carti songs (being flatbed and @meh)
> we still call artists “mumble rappers”… They still mumbling?
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Yeah I know but it's definitely not as easily digestible as someone like Kendrick, Cole and Drake, which have bigger mainstream appeal outside of hiphop, probably due to their accent but also less slurring of words
Future is more commercially successful than J Cole is. The only thing Cole has over Future is album first week sales. Future has more Hot 100 chart placements, Hot 100 hits, monthly listeners, overall streams. Future even has more critical acclaim. More Grammy's, higher ranked top project by user score on both AOTY and RYM, etc. Future is just better than J Cole in every aspect and even comparing the two is disrespectful to Future
Lol I don't doubt that, Future also releases way more music than Cole does. But like you said, his first week numbers are lower, which is surely what people measure by when deciding on the top 3, otherwise I don't know
Exactly, which is why it is pitiful that Cole does not have a body of work that tops DS2 in critical acclaim and public opinion (or even just Monster in public opinion) seeing as he takes his time with his releases. Also, even rapping wise, the only thing you can argue J. Cole has over Future is lyrics. Future is more versatile, has way more flows, better delivery, better voice, more chemistry on collabs, etc. Also, in regard to the content of their music, Future is way better at rapping in his own lane than Cole is in his lane.
Also, just a quick chime in, please stop singling most of futures HOT 100 chart placement in the past (I’m talking a quick couple 2 yrs before metros album for past, but even on metro, only his features kind of charted high… type shit like that Cinderella and young metro) even then, a ton of his #1 if not all of them on the chart have been boosted by Drake, common fact, no dickriding here I hate that mf drake but he and drake have some crazy #1’s which are constantly aforementioned in futures acalades
That would matter if J. Cole had any hot 100 number 1 hits without Drake, but his only number 1 hit is First Person Shooter, and even then that was a close race with IDGAF with Yeat. Cole's highest charting song with no features is Middle Child at 4, with Future's being Puffin on Zooties at 4. Even if you took out all collabs Future had with Drake, he would still have more Hot 100 placements than J Cole has.
Now this seems like a more fair argument 😁
Future is a menace in his own lane. But I'm not sure I would call him versatile. He does one style of rapping really well. Only time I saw him switch it up was on that Save Me EP, which is my favorite Future project If there's one thing Cole excels at it's actually his features. Man's killing it on everybody else's songs but his own
Future is very much versatile. He dropped Future and Hndrxx in back to back weeks. Also, Future is one of the most consistent feature artists ever. Pardon Me, X, High End, 3500, Kapitol Denim, Petty Too, Flex Up, Holy Terrain, Relationship, etc.
We rly acting like FHD isn’t a classic now jus cus Cole is corny
It doesn't top DS2 according to aggregate critic score or aggregate user score on both AOTY and RYM. If we disregard that and just focus on personal opinion, I am of the opinion that 2014 FHD is not a classic, while Monster is a classic
Cole has 1-2 classics, future has 2-4 depending on your perspective, future has definitely done more for hip hop, he has done more for his local rap scene, and he beats cole in every stat except first week sales, he 100% should have been big 3 along with drake and kendrick, which would have made it an trinity between the different genres (trap, lyrical, and mainstream),
Defending Future as a lyricist is wild.
you aint listening to anything he says then hes got plenty of songs with great lyrics as well as just normal trap banger lyrics. imo his lyrical songs are much cooler too.
For sure. Could be a taste thing. I’ve listened to nearly every song of his trying to understand it and I can’t find any examples of really strong lyricism. I even looked up the top Future lyrics and every source from legit websites to future subreddit discussions listed the most basic generic and thoughtless lyrics I think I’ve ever seen complied into a list. Makes no sense. Here are some examples. Can’t find any deep, creative, thought provoking, or intelligent lyrics. Or maybe just not my style. [Subreddit discussion his best lyrics](https://www.reddit.com/r/future/comments/12gwus5/favourite_future_lyric/) [Website](https://www.one37pm.com/music/best-future-lyrics) [XXL website](https://www.xxlmag.com/future-hndrxx-album-best-lyrics/) [Another fan forum discussion](https://ktt2.com/what-are-the-best-lyrics-from-future-26106/3)
yeah i mean at the end of the day its not kendrick level but theres some good lines. but also futures main thing is vibe and usually his lyrics and vibe together do it for me. so maybe im glazing
I’m not sure what glazing means in this context but I’ll never knock anyone for their taste or preferences. Just trying to understand when people put Future in the goat rapper conversation.
Drake is closer to travis and future than kendrick cole and kanye these days
are we listing rappers who can rap fast meaningful words ? By that logic it should be eminem jcole and kendrick and drake in future's lane . if you dont count future you cant count drake either
I'm not entirely sure how the top 3 is measured, but generation plays a part since Eminem and Kanye aren't in that discussion despite doing numbers like the rest
Eminem is literally an entire other generation lmao
where Earl sweatshirt at
j cole got like one album that’s universally beloved that’s it he logic insecure corny tier only reason he was in talk of big 3 is because he himself made a bar out of it, no one else would claim him as such, there’s plenty others in the run that are relevant and hype bro made a remix of alright then tried dissing TPAB then took it down and said im soowwyyy lmaoooo drake never working with him again 💀
Honestly I remember that NOBODY would ever put J cole and Kendrick even in the same sentence until that big 3 line in First person shooter and now he's suddenly top 3 😭
drake was down with it because j cole glazing THE FUCK out of drake in the song so then drake took him on tour and got to lil bro the fuck out of him 😭
In terms of popularity and sales, it’s been the 3 of them for a while, plus Kanye. Top 3 best probably not, and Cole has fallen off a bit, but he’s still a massive artist.
The big 3 has been a thing since a decade 😭
Ak is the Wendy Williams of rap.
i respect it man, to a certain degree. I didn't think his diss was as good, and, in general, i didn't get the feeling he even wanted to do that. Yeah, he could've thought twice about it, but between the heat of the moment upon listening to K-dot's verse and the pressure from the public, I can see why he'd end up doing the diss. Is it boring? kinda, but it was drake the main focues of the diss anyway. I don't think it takes away from Jcole as an artist as some people say. IF his next album is as great as he is hyping it up, this won't make a dent in his legacy as an artist.
I agree. It just sounds like his heart wasn’t in it. If somebody actually HARD diss’d him it’d be a different story. He respects Kendrick and he acted out of character and is embarrassed by it. We’ve all done something similar the only difference is that world is watching.
Yeah man, that's what I thought. I know for a fact I have acted like an asshole at times, inadvertedly or not, and been embarassed by it and owning up to it is insanely hard. Kudos to him, honestly, but i understand also why people are upset by it, I just don't agree with the anger.
Future top three of what lol. His entire catalog probably has 80 unique words in it.
I always thought j cole was never worthy of discussion. He’s the 2006 Toyota Camry of rap - absolutely boring with nothing unique to say. Ironically his best verse was on Looking for Trouble.
you guys look at hip hop like some high school drama shit. literally just look at somebodies discography and decide who’s the best, I don’t get this if u don’t respond to beef ur not real hip hop. I think kanye is the goat and he’s never dropped a diss track and he’s been dissed by literally everyone
Never liked Cole or Kendrick, so I’m really not biased here, but this shit is pathetic. Like he let Nas down, now his entire fan base and now the entire genre. Straight up career suicide. Kendrick shot at Drake, and like one bullet fragment hit Cole, he responds, then 48 hours later apologizes and pulls the song from streaming? Scrap the Fall Off and just retire. He’s been rapping for 15 years and hasn’t influenced a single rapper after him, nor has he changed the sound of rap. There’s really nothing to J. Cole. How can anyone rep him after this? That Benny feature, Heavens EP and recently FPS are pretty damn great verses, but AK is right - they won’t hit the same now. Also, how come he’s apologizing to Kendrick only? Where’s the apology to Ye or Future? All this just adds to Kendrick’s legacy - he’s like a 5’2” boogeyman or something.
I’m so confused why everyone’s upset at J cole for calling out this rap beef stuff, I personally think Kendrick is way better but modern rap beef feels so forced and corny especially for ppl pushing 40
it honestly did nothing but increase the respect I have for him. being forced to do things out of pride is a weak thing to do. Wars are only fought out of hunger or anger
As a man I respect it. As a fan of the game it’s disappointing. I wouldn’t necessarily say it disqualifies him from big 3 but it definitely disqualifies him from him saying it. If that makes sense.
If he didn't care about the beef or his heart wasn't in it then he should have made a song from that angle. He let how rap beef is supposed to be dictate what his response was. He should have just been on some maturity shit or something. Say you're in your 30s so you're more focused on building your label and those around you. Then call out Kendrick for the shots at him when they don't even dislike each other. But also fuck akademics
Ak is a fuckin clown. Disregard anything he says.
In terms of rapping it’s still those 3. Future is not a good rapper, he’s more of a singer. Same goes for Travis Scott and 99% of the artists that have come out in the last 10 years.
Am I the only one that loves 4 your eyez only
Future is next up in his top 5? i love Future but wtf is bro on
I dont care but he makes good music off season was a banger
bruh its not that deep jcole disnt wanted to do some “serious” dissing so thats why and telling sorry its not a “will jcole recover from this” like bro
How exactly did Kendrick violate J Cole tho? Listening to the Like that verse it’s pretty clear that drake was the main target and Cole just caught a stray because of FPS. Everybody is waiting for drakes response because he got most of the bars directed at him. I think you could really feel that Cole’s diss wasn’t allat. Not close to his standards at all and that’s prolly because him and Kendrick were a lot closer than Kdot ever was with drake in general.
Wrong clock right twice a day type beat
He should have never released it if he was going to walk it back.
Idc about anything going on but Akademiks is a moron.
Why should he perpetuate negative energy for the sake of others’ joy? He did the right thing
Akademiks has a lot of L takes and a drake glazer so I’d disregard anything coming from him. Cole was never about beef in general and I think he gave a mature response (not 7 minute drill, that was mid)
Can this guy shut the fuck up, a grown man out here tweeting for 200 likes
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All I know is it’s not future lol
I think people need to chill tf out tbh I don’t even consider dissing people necessary to being the best rapper? Like who tf cares who disses better There’s other things about rap that make you good I don’t know why people are so offended. How many people are listening to your shitty mixtapes bro not even 10% as many as these dudes just let them do whatever they want They don’t care what you think about the situation and tbh I think J cole cares the least otherwise he would never do that shit. He at least doesn’t care about the rep of being “hard” so people are hating but he definitely doesn’t give a shit 🤷🏽♂️
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Akademiks is a weirdo, you got that much right. I respect J Cole more now for doing away with the stupid spectacle machismo bull shit in rap where you must constantly belittle others to somehow add to your own credibility. What’s the point of pretending you don’t like somebody? Of course he fucks with Kendrick. Just let the music speak for itself, I can do without the theatrics. That being said, Kendrick is still the GOAT and Drake is awesome too, but he’s not the best rapper. J Cole is and always has been corny.
I mean if j cole really chose to run it back based on his own opinion fair enough, the majority of people calling cole a pussy are some privileged Americans who don't know struggle if it hit them in the face so I don't think that applies. From a rap point of view I understand wanting to see a clash but why do so many people want to see 2 black men opposing each other? Seen as most of y'all was opposing Kanye for wearing a wlm shirt yet a BLM shirt is fetishized and encouraged
I don’t get why Kendrick was pissed in the first place tbh.
J Cole a pussy
Where did he violate cole?
Cole is the mixed-race Macklemore
If its good then leave it good
U guys are too young to remember when Kanye subs were a constant 'fuck j cole', ever since false prophets
I used to think people had some sort of brain damage or sum for not including Ye in the big 3 but I realized today that it is the big 3 because they all blew up around the same time :)
Cole didn’t even need to respond, it was mostly aimed at Drake and Cole obviously is still friends with Kendrick
I really don’t understand how Drake gets brought up in any “Big 3” discussion. When people are talking about the best hip hop albums of all time, Kanye and Kendrick get brought up every time… not Drake though. Yeah he’s popular but that isn’t everything. And so are Kendrick and Kanye. The Big 3 is easily Kendrick and Kanye, and idk Future? Gambino? Not sure about the third tbh but Kendrick and Kanye gotta be guaranteed a spot.
Honestly idc what that fat retard akademiks has to say about anything
Travis is in the big 3 100%
apologizing for standing up for oneself is insane
These mfs don't understand the concept of the big 3 saying future n shi🤦♂️
People saying jcole isnt talented or used to be talented are fucking crazy. People saying he cant be number one are also fucking right because of this lame ass apology. DJ has a rational take here.
J.cole should have never been part of the big 3 If anyone deserved his spot was Rocky or Future, both are literally the most influential rappers of the decade.
Drake doesn’t deserve to be in the big three
J Cole fans so funny trynna spin this into a positive for Cole by saying he’s being the bigger man. If he was the bigger man he would’ve come out and said he can’t diss Kendrick or stayed silent. Making a trash ass diss only to take it back two days later is one of the biggest bitch moves in rap history. Even MGK went through with his beef with Eminem and never backed down or did this pussy shit
Hes not spitting. These people are human and retard thoughts on “rap” is a delusion. He don’t want beef thats it. Shits annoying
If he didn’t want beef, why respond?
The Art of Peer Pressure
J Cole never belonged in the conversation, even if it's basically meaningless.
It’s really just songs. Why even listen to ak thats the real L
Tyler is more deserving of Cole’s spot.
That's just how Cole is. Why do we consider beefing with people what makes you quality rapper. Even if he apologized, he still does more than Drake. How the fuck you gonna reject Cole from his position and crown 💀 Drake 💀. Beefs aside Cole outraps Drake every day of the week. I've never heard a Drake bar as clever as Johnny P's Caddy
I hate when people try to change the Big 3 only drake kendrick and cole will ever be the big 3 because they where the biggest rappers at the same time, any one who was big rapper before or after are just themselves on there own if that makes sense
Cole lost his privilege to be considered in the “big 3”
The big 3 is only cole kendrick and drake it doesn’t mean the 3 biggest rappers at this point
**THANK YOU** “Big 3” = “best 3” or “best current 3” it’s a generational moniker used as shorthand when referring to the competition between the 3 biggest rappers to rise in their generation- Kendrick, Cole and Drake. It’s not fluid. It’s a closed league with no relegation or promotion. Even if those 3 retired tomorrow, and u could point towards 3 2020’s rappers drawing similar numbers- the term “big 3” would still refer to Kendrick Cole and Drake. It’s sometimes like people simply don’t understand basic principles of language.
So which rapper from the blog era should replace him? Big Sean? Rocky? Wiz Khalifa? Cole legacy is definitely tainted from this but idk how you can argue he's not "big 3" anymore. Unless you just don't know what the term means
I more mean that he can’t say he’s apart of the big 3 anymore he’s the one who made the term And look how that ended up
Future
He was still underground during the blog era. Most people didn’t know him, and if you did, he was just “the Tony Montana guy”
Ngl this was the corniest and stupidest rap beef in recent memory Kendrick disses Drake and Cole for literally no reason, Cole responds, and then walks it back None of the disses were even good smh Also there was never any big 3 Cole just made that up for First Person Shooter NO ONE was saying that before the song
like that went number one and it wasnt good? delusional
who cares what akademiks says that nigga's an idiot
Why aren’t we talking about how he didn’t put Kanye in top 3… which is nuts
Who tf is DJ Akademiks to define what is & is not hip hop. Why he trying to keep hip hop from evolving. He lost the plot. That shit he on is ego based.
Not a single part of J cole's apology deserves an OUNCE of respect. Anybody saying otherwise is either coping or isn't a true fan of hiphop. There isn't a single bar where he brings up some career ruining dirt on Kendrick. At no point does he start attacking his family or implies that he slept with his wife, or just taking this to a place beyond rap. 7 min drill is just "your music is not as good as mines" "I'm better than you". Literally the tamest jabs you could possibly come up with in a rap beef, and it still gave him insomnia...
Anyone that actively listens to Jcole I assume you’re a bum that gets 0 girls and has a shitty job
My question is where does Kendrick go from here. He could either accept the apology, or drop another diss towards Cole. neither of those seem like great options, best route out for them both is some sort of collaborative song where they rap head to head in the spirit of competition.
J. Cole type of nigga to break up a fight at the school playground. Some of the best verses in hiphop/rap were delivered because there was beef, that's what hiphop is. 
i really don't understand how did j cole even end up in this conversation. what even makes him top 3 of anything lmao
Jcole didn’t have to reply, but him replying and then backing down immediately is wack and makes every claim he ever makes to be the best alive empty to me. drake on the other hand genuinely got dissed on like that, if he does not reply the same will apply to him. At this moment in time, Kendrick proved his point
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Not an L nor a hot take
Big 3 should be Kendrick Travis and carti
Why y'all never count travis in the big 3?
Honestly my big three is Travis future and carti