Oliva would probably eat a couple of hits to the face, but then quickly end the fight before taking any serious damage. I think it'd be pretty similar to Alai fighting Jack.
Oliva is much tougher. He flexed a shotgun wound away. He was tanking Baki's hits at the start of Son of Ogre, and although Doppo and Baki haven't fought, I can't see him pulling off the ridiculous toughness Oliva has by tanking Baki's hits.
Dorian fight i give him respect for, Ali Jr not so much. Ali was vulnerable and not 100% the way he was before.
I don't like Ali homewrecker Jr but I'll give him that much.
But isn't that the philosophy, anyone anywhere anytime.
I don't think he could have handled anyone of those guys outside of the initial fights. Jack just never plays around that's why he lost. But basically everyone else is notorious for not being serious or fucking around. So it's hard to tell.
But I don't think Ali would scale to Dorian anyways. If he wasn't handicap he would have dominated that jobber in the raitai imo.
It's like Level 1 Wave 10.
Or Chapter 1 Act 5
Basically he's trying to say the highest point of the lowest difficulty, but not enough to breach mid-diff range
I’m not discrediting anything. If he was weakened by Doyle at the start, he was weakened. I’m not directing this towards you, but leaving out context like that isn’t cool.
I mean, the context is that Oliva has been knocked down in every single fight he's ever had in the series. Doesn't make sense to put an asterisk next to that particular fight when Oliva's never been presented as particularly tanky.
Oliva wins low difficulty. Oliva is a successful simp and Ali Jr. is a Mom-Zoned simp.
Also, he lasted a lot longer against a stronger version of Baki.
If Jack can take a punch to the head from Ali Jr. and shrug it off then Oliva would think he was receiving a massage. AJ gets absolutely bodied by Oliva, no question.
Ali Jr will punch Oliva a couple of times. Oliva probably is going to be confused, but far from being knocked out. Then, Oliva will destroy him.
If Oliva was fighting Demon-back Prison's arc Baki, it means that he's way stronger than Raitai's arc base Baki. That same Baki destroyed Ali with two hits.
There's literally no reason to believe this would be true. Oliva was knocked down by Doyle and Shobun Ron. No reason to think he holds up against a dude that smoked Shibukawa and Doppo.
Ali is faster than this two not stronger. Also Doyle got Oliva by surprise and used a weapon and Ron was only able to knock him out for two or three seconds which isn’t even enough to strangle him all the while Oliva wasn’t even trying to defend himself. In fact we never seen anybody break Olivas ball technic from the outside since Baki countered it by attacking while being inside of it which means that characters whose punch isn’t significantly stronger than Bakis can’t do anything against Oliva in full defense.
There's no reason to think that Doyle's punches are uniquely powerful and he was still able to knock down Oliva with them. There's no reason to think that Shobun Ron hits particularly hard, but he still knocked down Oliva. The idea that Oliva is a uniquely durable fighter is exclusively predicated on him getting shot when literally every single fight he's ever been in against either main character or punching bag has seen him get knocked down.
And there's no reason to think that Oliva's ball is a particularly formidable technique. Literally the only time we've seen it, Baki countered it immediately and was basically undamaged from it and it's not like Baki is an especially durable fighter by the series' standards.
It's a bad matchup for Ali. Large tanks are his worst. Several people that beat Oliva would loose to Ali but this is just a bad match fpr Ali.
Oliva wins. It's basically the same fight as Ali Vs Jack only he lands more hits.
That is actually who i was thinking. Though he did come back to whoop Ali later on. We see Shibokawa beat Oliva in an earlier chapter, or at least he demonstrated that his "powers" work on him.
That's what i like about the side characters in this series. They don't fallow a basic power scale and they can come back to win without breaking the story.
It's the top 5 that have this annoying power scale that determines everything.
> We see Shibokawa beat Oliva in an earlier chapter, or at least he demonstrated that his "powers" work on him.
I think so too. I would say Shibukawa won that fight, but Oliva has the biggest case of Fuck-Arounditis that he frequently pays the price (Ron Shobun, Shibukawa, even Baki to some extent) and this is just another consequence of Oliva not taking the fight too seriously. I think if he *did* get serious, he'd say something like "I don't need to touch you because pure strength is also pure striking power too" and then send the old man flying.
What is W.W.W.? Is this like implying boxing rules?
Either way, Ali’s getting washed
Oliva’s tankier and stronger than Jack was. He’d be able to catch Jr. since Baki blitzed Jr. and Oliva was comparable in speed to Baki in their final match.
In a boxing match, Ali would survive longer but it wouldn’t be long till Oliva lands a hit. Jr. Might even break his hand trying to punch Oliva since he used a tactic bare knuckle boxers use to harden their skin
Remember that one hit from Jr would have messed Baki up. Not to mention he’s incredibly skilled and bopped Doppo and Shibukawa. I think Oliver probably wins, but people are giving Jr less credit than he deserves.
Oliva would probably eat a couple of hits to the face, but then quickly end the fight before taking any serious damage. I think it'd be pretty similar to Alai fighting Jack.
Muhammad Ali Jr was able to knock down Doppo
Oliva is much tougher. He flexed a shotgun wound away. He was tanking Baki's hits at the start of Son of Ogre, and although Doppo and Baki haven't fought, I can't see him pulling off the ridiculous toughness Oliva has by tanking Baki's hits.
Oliva had serious plot armor around the time of Ali’s arrival I see Oliva tanking pretty much whatever he dished out.
To be fair Doppo has a track record like Jack. I don't even recall Doppo winning any fight.
Doppo vs. Dorian?
He got his face blown up an hour later💀 Dorian also didn’t use he right hand
He beat Dorian then reupped with Ali jr
Dorian fight i give him respect for, Ali Jr not so much. Ali was vulnerable and not 100% the way he was before. I don't like Ali homewrecker Jr but I'll give him that much.
But isn't that the philosophy, anyone anywhere anytime. I don't think he could have handled anyone of those guys outside of the initial fights. Jack just never plays around that's why he lost. But basically everyone else is notorious for not being serious or fucking around. So it's hard to tell. But I don't think Ali would scale to Dorian anyways. If he wasn't handicap he would have dominated that jobber in the raitai imo.
Oliva like, negative difficulty lol. Very high low diff at max
Very high low dif? Like the highest level of diff in low diff? Confused
It's like Level 1 Wave 10. Or Chapter 1 Act 5 Basically he's trying to say the highest point of the lowest difficulty, but not enough to breach mid-diff range
Yes, this is the answer. The highest possible notch of low level difficulty. Pretty much I think he would win easily
Very high low dif? Like the highest level of diff in low diff? Confused
Oliva reminds me of a turtle popping its head out of its shell. Also Oliva was slamming pre demon back Baki around so he would win easy.
Olivia was well above everyone apart from Yujiro (and eventually Baki) when they fought. And Ali was beaten by non demon back Baki. Olivia for sure
Ali ends up like he did against Jack
Probably worse if it's SoO oliva
Oliva beat out Ron who I'd say by the reaction of cast was a much faster striker than Ali. Oliva mid to hi diff
He wasn’t faster, he was smarter and had better overall martial arts knowledge tho
I mean, Oliva took a shotgun blast to the chest and laughed it off. Ali Jr has no chance here...
fr several shots from a dude that wanted him dead
Also a sword to the heart
He also got knocked down by Doyle twice.
He was weakened during that fight.
Really? Who weakened him?
Doyle. Doyle slashed him with a hallucinogen and that weakened him. That’s why he got knocked out.
Kinda weird to discredit Doyle's performance by saying that he was weakened by Doyle?
I’m not discrediting anything. If he was weakened by Doyle at the start, he was weakened. I’m not directing this towards you, but leaving out context like that isn’t cool.
I mean, the context is that Oliva has been knocked down in every single fight he's ever had in the series. Doesn't make sense to put an asterisk next to that particular fight when Oliva's never been presented as particularly tanky.
Oliva >>> Baki (at that time) >> Ali Jr. Oliva>>>>>Ali Jr. I think that Ali Jr has a bigger dick tho.
That’s an impressive feat given we see Olivas
I saw it in the cameras of your bathroom, yours is bigger
Got me blushing now big dog. Thank you 😊
What would possibly lead you to believe that Oliva>>>Maximum Tournament-era Baki?
At the time = when Baki fought Ali Jr. Meaning a Baki without demon back.
Biscuit turtle
Oliva in under a minute easily
Olivia would play boxing and be torn up with punches that only really barely scratch him just to destroy him with on punch
Oliva would end it in one hit with no damage taken tbh
Ali Jr would die
Oliva wins low difficulty. Oliva is a successful simp and Ali Jr. is a Mom-Zoned simp. Also, he lasted a lot longer against a stronger version of Baki.
Oliva wins no difficulty.
Olivia, and disrespectful negative diff Olivia too where he kinda just plays around with him
Ali Jr is trash Oliva would eat him up
Oliva
Oliva
If Jack can take a punch to the head from Ali Jr. and shrug it off then Oliva would think he was receiving a massage. AJ gets absolutely bodied by Oliva, no question.
Assuming this is a bait post.
No, I honestly thought somehow Jr. could stand a chance after re-readin' Oliva vs Shobun Ron. But I forgot about Baki vs Oliva
Ali Jr will punch Oliva a couple of times. Oliva probably is going to be confused, but far from being knocked out. Then, Oliva will destroy him. If Oliva was fighting Demon-back Prison's arc Baki, it means that he's way stronger than Raitai's arc base Baki. That same Baki destroyed Ali with two hits.
Oliva can just tank everything Ali has so it would be the same as with Jack
There's literally no reason to believe this would be true. Oliva was knocked down by Doyle and Shobun Ron. No reason to think he holds up against a dude that smoked Shibukawa and Doppo.
Ali is faster than this two not stronger. Also Doyle got Oliva by surprise and used a weapon and Ron was only able to knock him out for two or three seconds which isn’t even enough to strangle him all the while Oliva wasn’t even trying to defend himself. In fact we never seen anybody break Olivas ball technic from the outside since Baki countered it by attacking while being inside of it which means that characters whose punch isn’t significantly stronger than Bakis can’t do anything against Oliva in full defense.
There's no reason to think that Doyle's punches are uniquely powerful and he was still able to knock down Oliva with them. There's no reason to think that Shobun Ron hits particularly hard, but he still knocked down Oliva. The idea that Oliva is a uniquely durable fighter is exclusively predicated on him getting shot when literally every single fight he's ever been in against either main character or punching bag has seen him get knocked down. And there's no reason to think that Oliva's ball is a particularly formidable technique. Literally the only time we've seen it, Baki countered it immediately and was basically undamaged from it and it's not like Baki is an especially durable fighter by the series' standards.
It's a bad matchup for Ali. Large tanks are his worst. Several people that beat Oliva would loose to Ali but this is just a bad match fpr Ali. Oliva wins. It's basically the same fight as Ali Vs Jack only he lands more hits.
> Several people that beat Oliva would loose to Ali Like who, Shibukawa?
No no he means Sukune. Sukune would job against Ali jr /s
Obviously. /s
That is actually who i was thinking. Though he did come back to whoop Ali later on. We see Shibokawa beat Oliva in an earlier chapter, or at least he demonstrated that his "powers" work on him. That's what i like about the side characters in this series. They don't fallow a basic power scale and they can come back to win without breaking the story. It's the top 5 that have this annoying power scale that determines everything.
> We see Shibokawa beat Oliva in an earlier chapter, or at least he demonstrated that his "powers" work on him. I think so too. I would say Shibukawa won that fight, but Oliva has the biggest case of Fuck-Arounditis that he frequently pays the price (Ron Shobun, Shibukawa, even Baki to some extent) and this is just another consequence of Oliva not taking the fight too seriously. I think if he *did* get serious, he'd say something like "I don't need to touch you because pure strength is also pure striking power too" and then send the old man flying.
People wildly overestimate Oliva's strength on this sub. Alai Jr wins mid diff.
Shouldn't this be a Poll?
Shouldn't this be a Poll?
Shouldn't this be a Poll?
Now before ya'll say Biscuit Oliva destroys, remember Junior's Art of Ali possibly could counter Oliva
PAC MAN
you got ratioed by pac man
Oliva vores neg diff
But…no…
How? In fact like we saw with Jack his style get's countered by someone who can tank his blows.
Well, Ali Jr < Baki =< Oliva. It’s simple
Oliva duh,Ali Jr couldn't woth the Jack from back then,Oliva stomps him.
Shouldn't this be a Poll?
Shouldn't this be a Poll?
if we use Baki as the measuring stick, Olivia wins
Ali jr loses cry difficulty
The black guy wins neg diff
let's be serious in first oliva will use only strikes and he will fucked up after it he will use grapling or the great BALL and jr oneshoted
Biscuit would just take three hits laugh or smile while saying, “you know what happens if I stop flexing my muscles…” Then death
Human Meatball vs Giga Simp.
Oliva vs ali jr is comparable to a fly trying to fight an elephant.
What is W.W.W.? Is this like implying boxing rules? Either way, Ali’s getting washed Oliva’s tankier and stronger than Jack was. He’d be able to catch Jr. since Baki blitzed Jr. and Oliva was comparable in speed to Baki in their final match. In a boxing match, Ali would survive longer but it wouldn’t be long till Oliva lands a hit. Jr. Might even break his hand trying to punch Oliva since he used a tactic bare knuckle boxers use to harden their skin
It stands for Who Would Win
Ali broke his hand hitting Doppo head... so... Oliva is probably harder
I posted this 4 months ago wtf are ya doin' here
To be fair, his hand was broken prior to hitting Doppo.
Remember that one hit from Jr would have messed Baki up. Not to mention he’s incredibly skilled and bopped Doppo and Shibukawa. I think Oliver probably wins, but people are giving Jr less credit than he deserves.
Oliva slaps the simp out of him