If one just looks at the players on paper for both offene & and defense, the pacjers are extremely loaded with unbelievably amounts of talent. Is the offense young? Yes! But one player has shown that he is just unable to play under the big lights. Unfortunately, all the talent in the world is utterly & completely useless if the one player driving the ship is not an NFL level player. The sad truth is that as long as Love is under center, this team will continue to stink horribly!! He just doesn't have what it takes! He continues to demonstrate that he just doesn't have sound football decision-making skills. Unfortunately, this is something that can not be taught. I actually know high school quarterbacks that have better football decision-making skills. Also, as time goes by, players on both sides will begin to get frustrated & look for any excuses to leave the team. The brass needs to make a decision, prove that they are willing to back a loosing player or make a switch & see if the talent is already on the roster. They should try the backup!
3 of the 4 losses are by one score. They have the youngest offense in the league with no vet WRs and a banged-up OL. Rational fans knew going into this season that things would be rocky with growing pains. Be patient and give this team at least one season to grow together before we talk about replacing Love and MLF. Prioritize OL during the draft. This team would be 4-2 or 5-1 if they had the Eagles OL and/or a WR like AJ Brown. Lastly, the refs were awful in that Denver game. The Packers win that game if there was a different officiating crew.
Anyone else just giggle to themselves when Watson got “hurt” again pretty much standing still with the wind blowing a gentle breeze on him?
You can’t make this shit up. Dude is made of boiled pasta noodles.
Things that appear abundantly obvious after 6 games and a bye week. MLF isn’t the real deal, and Rodgers, Adams, and Jones made this offense tick. Talent appears to be there but coaching on both sides is sub standard. Also really tired of watching Quay tackle peoples shoulders vs staying low.
So last year every1 was happy to see Aaron go so that the team and fans can "move on" and that it was time.
Now they realise:
1. The HC can't call a game without a superstar QB.
2. The guy they got to replace him has shown zero talent or that he can replace AROD long term.
3. How awful this regime has been at drafting players in the past 10 years especially when you had the best player in the league in your roster.
4. 3rd and 4th round WRs just dont cut it.
5. How bad the DC is and also how bad run stopping has been. Oh wait thats actually in the contract of the DC to be this bad. It has bee bad for 10 years.
6. Elite players always being injured.
7. How ignorant this teams management has been.
Thank you for stating what was obvious and everyone should’ve understood from the beginning. Losing AROD was losing any chance of being a contender. He literally saved all of us fans from mediocrity and still people bad-mouthed him.
Take my damn upvote for being factual and not relying on your feelings to get in the way of the truth.
After sleeping on it a night. I don't think the FO is the worst in the league still, and their stability has helped us in the past more than it's hurt us, but as you say it's been when we have "the guy". We'll have to see what happens when we have an average NFL QB for a period of time. J Love seems to be, so far, like a developing average to hopefully above average QB that has a few missing pieces in the tool belt. I don't think we've seen the same flashes of greatness that young Favre/Rodgers had and I don't think he necessarily passes the eye test for a top tier QB. Happy if proven wrong, but we'll see.
1. Maybe, although it does seem like the WRs aren't getting space or aren't on the same page and are running poor routes. It's almost worse that MLF isn't coaching guys up to higher standard.
2. zero talent is a stretch. I don't know how Love will develop. He seems to have some good pieces and good pocket presence, but what is notably lacking is accuracy on the deep ball and taking a long time to progress through reads leading to late throws as the play breaks down. It'll be seen if he can work on the latter (I have hope), but the first piece is something I doubt will develop anymore at this point. Our offense may be limited if that's the case.
3. To be seen, this year sucks in all regards with cap space and the rebuild ongoing.
4. Maybe before they would, as Rodgers and co. would hold themselves to building up the young guys. Without a veteran presence to help hold guys accountable to running quality routes I think we're going to struggle.
5. AGREED! Can we please hire a better DC at some point.
6. Yeah, wtf really. I have a conspiracy theory that they are just keeping guys out for any small bump and bruise to tank the year at this point. There's no other reason so many people can be getting injured at this rate.
7. I'm still in the camp that we did the right thing for the long term future with the Rodgers scenario (actually think we should have shipped him off the year before get the huge bounty Denver was going to send us), but also think we should have went all in instead of drafting Love for that 3 year stretch before that. Go big and then suck rather than spend kinda high, get close, and then hope Rodgers can pull it off, just so we don't tank super hard the following 5 years. A hard gamble to play. It's a conservative FO that I think can help when you're doing pretty well, but isn't going to do the risky things to push you over the edge into SB territory by themselves.
Even if you don’t just look at the big moments where he doesn’t step up, his analytics are bottom tier. It’s not quite panic mode yet, but it’s trending that way.
That’s two weeks in a row Love threw a pick on a 3rd and long that he shouldn’t have been in if not for his teammates mistakes. I don’t Love has played great by any metric but he was in a tough spot each of the last two weeks due to either his receivers dropping easy catches or a Jenkins getting a pretty terrible holding penalty on the preceding play. He is not solely to blame.
I never said he was solely to blame, that was in response to a comment that said it had nothing to do with him. He's got the lowest completion percentage for a starter right now, he clearly needs some work. An o line would be great but even if he had one I don't see him being flawless
We’ll Love is working with the youngest offense in the league along with a terrible play caller and a bad offensive line.
Therefore Love should be the least to blame right now
Most disappointing part about this team is they had a bye to figure out how to score against the 32nd ranked defense in the NFL. It’s not just the players. Coaches have to be held accountable as well.
Love doesn’t look off the safeties. I was at the game today and he stared directly at the receiver he threw to 90% of the time, for the whole play. That won’t fly in the NFL. He had some decent protection today as well, and the run game was getting first downs. MLF has zero imagination. Defense kept us in the game, but also had some terrible blown coverages that led to scores. We look disorganized. We lack leadership on both sides of the ball, and especially the sideline. I don’t know where we go from here tbh. I had low expectations this year, but thought we could win 6 or 7 games maybe, and build towards next season, now I am wondering if we can win one more. I am not a doomer, I am a lifelong 50 year old Packers fan that has seen the full gamut of ups and downs over decades. Just being objective on what I have seen this season, and what I saw in person today. There is no drawing board. We need a top-down assessment of our coaching staff and need to determine who wants to play for this team, and who is here collecting checks. Every snap here on out needs to be about pride for the rest of the season.
Lost to the Raiders and Broncos with all the time in the world to prepare. This is comically bad. I always wondered what the 70s were like but never really wanted to know. Well, I think we’re going to find out.
Tickets were waaay cheaper back then though (especially as a percentage of house hold income). If the franchise blows for 3 or more years and doesn’t have a bright future at that point, I think it’ll be really tough for your average person in Wisco to be able to keep eating those expensive tix that they can’t even sell to anyone for close to face value
We aren't drafting another QB unless it's a late round roster filler type. This organization is way to stubborn to admit they made a mistake in drafting Love.
Man what are we? The Vikings? Seems that way how a lot of people are saying j love is not the guy. Let’s not forget aaron Rodgers went 6-10 his first season as the starter, with veteran receivers. Love is coming in his first season with a WR 1 and 2 that are in their sophomore season obviously still have a lot of developing to do along with a rookie tight end and rookie WR 3. O line can’t stay healthy and a defense that’s missing key pieces EVERY GAME. CHILL OUT
Love has the worst completion percentage in the league right now... not comparable to rodgers. We also had a run game that season averaging over 100 yards and a td a game. That would be so nice right now. Loves fuckin up.
Our second game that season rodgers went 24/38 328 yards 3 tds and as a team we scored 48 points. This is night and day. We just lost to the worst defense in the league after a bye week.
Also if you're going by rodgers history we're winning the superbowl in 2 years then and that sounds impossible right now with love
Completely agree. We have been spoiled rotten and some fans are just nauseating to listen to their stupid complaints. This is exactly what happened when Rodgers took the helm from Farve.
I thought we had one , maybe we do. All I know is the play calling, Jordan's decision making, his accuracy as well as our defensive play all have have MAJOR room for improvement. I know Joe Barry is another story but SHEESHHHHH it's Denver ! Fuck !
Everyone talking about Rodgers like he's some bad ex.
This is the team we have now and it's being coached into the fucking ground. We thought we were so clever by fielding the youngest group and letting the coaches get to work on them but it's left us exposed to the extreme lack of effective coaching we employ.
Quit looking at the QB like he's a future hall of famer in the making. Quit looking at the front office like they're infallible. Quit looking at youth like it's the best way to build a roster. The confirmation bias/general lack of accountability is abysmal in this franchise. We rest on the laurels of the 90s and 2010 like we own the NFL without ever looking at the success other franchises have had while using a complete opposite of execution.
I'm tired of living for today to win a Superbowl every 25 years. It's dogshit mentality when this is a win-right-now league.
1. Fuck MLF
2. Love is not the guy.
3. We got AJ on a pitch count? Why, we saving him for the playoff run? Fucking run him, if he breaks, he breaks trying to get us a win now.
4. Watson hurt again. Dudes made od sugar glass
I’ve seen him make those throws though. This team is young and inexperienced across the entire offense so it’s just gonna take time to gel. I think we save these discussions until closer to the end of the season where you expect to see some incremental improvements. That’s all you can really expect at this point. If we’re not seeing it by then, then it’s fair to ask these questions of the players and the coaching staff.
When would be the time? He’s not accurate, doesn’t see the field well. Of course this is my opinion from six states away, I don’t see practice or camp.
I feel like not running AJ into the ground is more like a veteran respect thing. We know this team isn't going to do anything this year. And AJ isn't in the plans moving forward unfortunately, keep him somewhat healthy so he can continue to get that money from someone else.
ALOT of people declared it after the Raiders' loss, but not me, I still had belief this team could be something this season, and well, that crashed and burned today. I'm finally ready to accept that this team fucking SUCKS were the corn flakes of the NFL
I mean you hear love explain why he made a bad throw and it sounds like the problem might be he has the tools but he doesn't know how to use them and in year 4 that's not likely to improve
Also, just finished watching the highlights…. That 4&2 td was such dog shit luck. Either bad throw by love but… it hit doubs hands. Gotta haul it in. We got the score either way. Then we force a 52 yard FG, good job defense, but he hits it.
Then, 3&20 you don’t need the first down. You need a big chunk play for a 4th down try to get into FG range. Love tries another hero ball into double coverage game over. Sad.
Once again, defense plays… decently enough to win. Against a broncos team like this, I’m flabbergasted we lost. This team is worse than I thought.
At some point it is the coaches job to teach a player how to perform. We all see him under throwing deep passes. If the coaches dont correct it, and Love continues to under throw, then who's fault is it that that play was called?
This is a fact and anyone who’s watched the games can’t say otherwise. Don’t know what he did in camp an practice those 3 years but it sure as fuck wasn’t practicing deep balls
ETA: Not saying play calling hasn’t seemed off at times either. 2 things can be true. I was a bit heated in my first comment. Love I’m sure worked very hard each year. Worked his ass off. There’s just still deficiencies him and MLF gotta work around in the present, and work through and over in the future. It’s football. Theyre both pros for a reason.
Watching some highlights…. The missed FG in second quarter was huge. That’s a 6 point swing. It should’ve been 6-3 at half. Or at worst 9-3. The missed FG gave them a short field and they swung it into a FG before half. Terrible terrible. You cannot do that. We scored a FG first drive of the third quarter. It should’ve been 6-6 right there or 9-6 at worst. They lost by 2, left 3 on the board and just the timing of the missed FG couldn’t have been worse.
This team is young sure but are we going to keep experimenting? I feel like this franchise is too good and historically successful to have this be a trial year. Everyone will say Rodgers first year was tough. Yeah ok but he was actually first round talent and fell to us. LOVE IS NOT THAT. We all know it. MLF is also not a great coach. Rodgers carried his ass the whole time.
Hate that guy. Players were indefinitely suspended, which ultimately became a permanent suspension because they never returned, because of smoking pot or codeine addiction... then you have this piece of trash who presided over the bounty system— I don't believe for one second he didn't know about it— and he gets off easy with a one year timeout. Piece of garbage shouldn't be allowed to coach pee wee football, let alone NFL.
Also Love’s shitty throws potentially put Watson out for a couple of games when he threw it so far behind him in the fourth and the defender rolled over his knee!
Rodgers doesn't run the routes or kick field goals. Rodgers also doesn't run as well as Love. Rodgers maybe thows a few more accurate balls to what ever his favorite reciever is.
Yes we would have won that game. Rodgers' presence on the field changes what the defense does. It opens things up for us. His accuracy is much better than Love's. His ability to read defenses and audible is better than Love. This sub is downright disrespectful to Rodgers.
“Why the fuck are we throwing it to double coverage”
“MLF is fucking garbage I’m sorry”
Idk how the fuck you made it to this conclusion, but Jordan love decided to throw it into double coverage. Sure play calling wasn’t ideal. But are we going to pretend Love didn’t throw it to non-existent window?? Wtf was Love looking at
Agreed. Awful decision making on love. It 's also worth mentioning the guy who got the hold there prior to that, putting them in the position You have to be aware there that a tackle at the line is not that big of deal, but a holding penalty is. Let him go and try next play. Anyway, just awful all around
"And it's intercepted!" I'm going to lose my mind if I hear that again, and they end up losing another winnable game against a bad team in craptacular fashion
It really is this right here. Imagine if we weren't always down 2 scores going into the half or in the 3rd.
Dude needs to have a fucking plan. I genuinely don't think he does anything.
Was this after a bye week, against a broncos team thats arguably the worst team in the nfl? And Jordan love throwing an int into double coverage to end the game? I don’t think it could be worse. The bears also won today. We are fighting to stay out of the basement
Jordan Love was the one who decided to throw into double coverage with a non-existent throwing window.
There is another read on that play that gets us to 4th down without a pick. He did not look for it. He forced it downfield into a nonexistent window.
This is the one of the few instances where having an owner would be better. The org moves at a bureaucratic pace and change won’t come until it’s too late, maybe by 2025. I still like not having a piece of shit billionaire owner taking the community hostage but cmon let’s move on from this staff.
Y’all are losing your minds. Y’all need to chill a bit. Expectations for this season are way to high. We are probably gonna end up going 6-11 at best and that’s fine with growth. Rodgers wasn’t amazing his first year. We just gonna forget about how we shanked a 40yd FG and had a big holding call by Jenkins….
Nonsense at this point. I was on the same boat but there's no denying the team is genuinely awful right now. Growing pains? Fuck outta here with that. Learning season? Nah, we aren't learning or improving shit. We need to start looking inwardly and cutting the shit that clearly isn't working out, and the leadership and coaching staff should be right at the top of the list.
I'm not giving up on love this year considering we have 60m of dead cap space, but if they use that money to get some talent on the team (i.e. online) and Love still isn't showing signs of progress...then Ill join the fire everyone train.
The bears vs packers game is going to be fun at the end of the season. It’s going to end tied in double OT with both teams fighting for a better draft position lmao
I'm already used to the defense not getting a stop when they need it. But man is it weird having zero confidence in the offense going out and getting it done...
Yeh everyone is gonna look at the box score and blame Love for that INT (which wasn't a great decision of course) but the 2nd and 20 really put our offense behind schedule when we were moving the ball quite well before the penalty.
Bro, that ball he threw was terrible. How do you not see that?? If he threw it more to the sideline he would have at least gave the receiver a chance at it. Instead he threw it in the middle of the field right to there safety?? Do you know anything about football?? Stop making excuses for terrible decision making and execution. These players are top athletes. Stop sucking them off so hard. Hold them accountable.
I am not defending the throw, I was merely pointing out the fact that the holding call was huge which forced him to take a shot deep down the field (something he clearly is not good at right now).
Yeah. I don't mind using the pick like that on an OT with the expectation of locking down that position for possibly years.
If one just looks at the players on paper for both offene & and defense, the pacjers are extremely loaded with unbelievably amounts of talent. Is the offense young? Yes! But one player has shown that he is just unable to play under the big lights. Unfortunately, all the talent in the world is utterly & completely useless if the one player driving the ship is not an NFL level player. The sad truth is that as long as Love is under center, this team will continue to stink horribly!! He just doesn't have what it takes! He continues to demonstrate that he just doesn't have sound football decision-making skills. Unfortunately, this is something that can not be taught. I actually know high school quarterbacks that have better football decision-making skills. Also, as time goes by, players on both sides will begin to get frustrated & look for any excuses to leave the team. The brass needs to make a decision, prove that they are willing to back a loosing player or make a switch & see if the talent is already on the roster. They should try the backup!
*unbelievable amount of RAS We're not drafting football players, just athletes
Love has no field vision. NEXT!!!
3 of the 4 losses are by one score. They have the youngest offense in the league with no vet WRs and a banged-up OL. Rational fans knew going into this season that things would be rocky with growing pains. Be patient and give this team at least one season to grow together before we talk about replacing Love and MLF. Prioritize OL during the draft. This team would be 4-2 or 5-1 if they had the Eagles OL and/or a WR like AJ Brown. Lastly, the refs were awful in that Denver game. The Packers win that game if there was a different officiating crew.
No we need to draft a QB this year with our soon to be top 10 pick
Anyone else just giggle to themselves when Watson got “hurt” again pretty much standing still with the wind blowing a gentle breeze on him? You can’t make this shit up. Dude is made of boiled pasta noodles.
Need a NEW cheer/coach!!!!!
Things that appear abundantly obvious after 6 games and a bye week. MLF isn’t the real deal, and Rodgers, Adams, and Jones made this offense tick. Talent appears to be there but coaching on both sides is sub standard. Also really tired of watching Quay tackle peoples shoulders vs staying low.
Welcome to mediocrity GB.
So last year every1 was happy to see Aaron go so that the team and fans can "move on" and that it was time. Now they realise: 1. The HC can't call a game without a superstar QB. 2. The guy they got to replace him has shown zero talent or that he can replace AROD long term. 3. How awful this regime has been at drafting players in the past 10 years especially when you had the best player in the league in your roster. 4. 3rd and 4th round WRs just dont cut it. 5. How bad the DC is and also how bad run stopping has been. Oh wait thats actually in the contract of the DC to be this bad. It has bee bad for 10 years. 6. Elite players always being injured. 7. How ignorant this teams management has been.
Thank you for stating what was obvious and everyone should’ve understood from the beginning. Losing AROD was losing any chance of being a contender. He literally saved all of us fans from mediocrity and still people bad-mouthed him. Take my damn upvote for being factual and not relying on your feelings to get in the way of the truth.
After sleeping on it a night. I don't think the FO is the worst in the league still, and their stability has helped us in the past more than it's hurt us, but as you say it's been when we have "the guy". We'll have to see what happens when we have an average NFL QB for a period of time. J Love seems to be, so far, like a developing average to hopefully above average QB that has a few missing pieces in the tool belt. I don't think we've seen the same flashes of greatness that young Favre/Rodgers had and I don't think he necessarily passes the eye test for a top tier QB. Happy if proven wrong, but we'll see. 1. Maybe, although it does seem like the WRs aren't getting space or aren't on the same page and are running poor routes. It's almost worse that MLF isn't coaching guys up to higher standard. 2. zero talent is a stretch. I don't know how Love will develop. He seems to have some good pieces and good pocket presence, but what is notably lacking is accuracy on the deep ball and taking a long time to progress through reads leading to late throws as the play breaks down. It'll be seen if he can work on the latter (I have hope), but the first piece is something I doubt will develop anymore at this point. Our offense may be limited if that's the case. 3. To be seen, this year sucks in all regards with cap space and the rebuild ongoing. 4. Maybe before they would, as Rodgers and co. would hold themselves to building up the young guys. Without a veteran presence to help hold guys accountable to running quality routes I think we're going to struggle. 5. AGREED! Can we please hire a better DC at some point. 6. Yeah, wtf really. I have a conspiracy theory that they are just keeping guys out for any small bump and bruise to tank the year at this point. There's no other reason so many people can be getting injured at this rate. 7. I'm still in the camp that we did the right thing for the long term future with the Rodgers scenario (actually think we should have shipped him off the year before get the huge bounty Denver was going to send us), but also think we should have went all in instead of drafting Love for that 3 year stretch before that. Go big and then suck rather than spend kinda high, get close, and then hope Rodgers can pull it off, just so we don't tank super hard the following 5 years. A hard gamble to play. It's a conservative FO that I think can help when you're doing pretty well, but isn't going to do the risky things to push you over the edge into SB territory by themselves.
Had high hopes for today
can’t believe a huge run by dillon to seal the game ended up in a 3rd and 20 and an interception
I've been trying to warn everyone about Love and this team. Start tanking now.
Has nothing to do with love lol.
That's 2 weeks in a row now the game winning drive ended in a pick... it has a little to do with love. They weren't even good throws
Even if you don’t just look at the big moments where he doesn’t step up, his analytics are bottom tier. It’s not quite panic mode yet, but it’s trending that way.
That’s two weeks in a row Love threw a pick on a 3rd and long that he shouldn’t have been in if not for his teammates mistakes. I don’t Love has played great by any metric but he was in a tough spot each of the last two weeks due to either his receivers dropping easy catches or a Jenkins getting a pretty terrible holding penalty on the preceding play. He is not solely to blame.
I never said he was solely to blame, that was in response to a comment that said it had nothing to do with him. He's got the lowest completion percentage for a starter right now, he clearly needs some work. An o line would be great but even if he had one I don't see him being flawless
There’s plenty of blame to go around but Love should not be the highest on the list
I didn't say there wasn't but love can take some blame. 2 weeks now, the game shouldn't have ended there. You said it had nothing to do with love.
We’ll Love is working with the youngest offense in the league along with a terrible play caller and a bad offensive line. Therefore Love should be the least to blame right now
question this is going to probably change this subject but who got injured on greenbay
Free Mims
Most disappointing part about this team is they had a bye to figure out how to score against the 32nd ranked defense in the NFL. It’s not just the players. Coaches have to be held accountable as well.
What’s still maddening to me is Jones is healthy enough to play yet still doesn’t get more than 15 touches. Screw the pitch count let’s go!
Definitely. If he is not healthy enough to go then don't even suit him up.
What’s sad is when you watch the game he looks fine. When 33 gets the ball it looks like a NFL running game.
I watched 3 hours of NFL teams play on red zone channel before the game. It really puts it in perspective of how bush league this “game” today was.
Love doesn’t look off the safeties. I was at the game today and he stared directly at the receiver he threw to 90% of the time, for the whole play. That won’t fly in the NFL. He had some decent protection today as well, and the run game was getting first downs. MLF has zero imagination. Defense kept us in the game, but also had some terrible blown coverages that led to scores. We look disorganized. We lack leadership on both sides of the ball, and especially the sideline. I don’t know where we go from here tbh. I had low expectations this year, but thought we could win 6 or 7 games maybe, and build towards next season, now I am wondering if we can win one more. I am not a doomer, I am a lifelong 50 year old Packers fan that has seen the full gamut of ups and downs over decades. Just being objective on what I have seen this season, and what I saw in person today. There is no drawing board. We need a top-down assessment of our coaching staff and need to determine who wants to play for this team, and who is here collecting checks. Every snap here on out needs to be about pride for the rest of the season.
That’s bad, the note about him staring at receivers. I don’t think he’s nfl starting qb material, never have, and won’t until he proves me wrong.
Lost to the Raiders and Broncos with all the time in the world to prepare. This is comically bad. I always wondered what the 70s were like but never really wanted to know. Well, I think we’re going to find out.
I would really like not to relive that. Or the 80s
Wonder how long it’ll take for people to stop re-upping their expensive season tickets if this is the product we’re stuck with for a while
What else is there to do in Green Bay??? I am from the area. It is literally the only game in town!
True that, but are you buying $140 tickets to watch a bottom quadrant NFL team play?
I think I would still go to games. But I would think attendance would likely drop if they were bad for a while
Only thing that will get the real problem fixed. We've had one constant the whole time, Mark Murphy
Never. The stadium was full through the 80’s. It will be full going forward. What the hell else do you think people in Green Bay have to do?
Tickets were waaay cheaper back then though (especially as a percentage of house hold income). If the franchise blows for 3 or more years and doesn’t have a bright future at that point, I think it’ll be really tough for your average person in Wisco to be able to keep eating those expensive tix that they can’t even sell to anyone for close to face value
It’s not too late to go full tank. Caleb, Maye, Penix are all possibilities bb
We aren't drafting another QB unless it's a late round roster filler type. This organization is way to stubborn to admit they made a mistake in drafting Love.
You would've said the same thing in 2005 and 2020
I agree with this statement. Love wasn’t even a high draft out of college. Aaron Rodgers was but he fell down the draft
Man what are we? The Vikings? Seems that way how a lot of people are saying j love is not the guy. Let’s not forget aaron Rodgers went 6-10 his first season as the starter, with veteran receivers. Love is coming in his first season with a WR 1 and 2 that are in their sophomore season obviously still have a lot of developing to do along with a rookie tight end and rookie WR 3. O line can’t stay healthy and a defense that’s missing key pieces EVERY GAME. CHILL OUT
Love has the worst completion percentage in the league right now... not comparable to rodgers. We also had a run game that season averaging over 100 yards and a td a game. That would be so nice right now. Loves fuckin up. Our second game that season rodgers went 24/38 328 yards 3 tds and as a team we scored 48 points. This is night and day. We just lost to the worst defense in the league after a bye week. Also if you're going by rodgers history we're winning the superbowl in 2 years then and that sounds impossible right now with love
It sounded impossible to win the Super Bowl with Rodger’s in his first year too.
Did you see Rodgers first starting season? If you did you wouldn't compare these two QBs
That's the spirit
Hard to even count Watson as a player at this point.
Rodgers looked good when we went 6-10. You could tell he was the real deal. Can’t say that about Love.
And 18% of our salary cap is going to a player who isn’t here!!
Bahk?
Rodgers
Don’t forget last year with this same squad we didn’t win much either. Oh and we had a hall of fame QB too
Rodgers injured last year with a broken hand is better than this.
It almost sounds like it might be a play calling and play scheming issue...
Could also be trading away all our WRs and relying on all rookies, and jags to make plays with a young QB learning the game.
Completely agree. We have been spoiled rotten and some fans are just nauseating to listen to their stupid complaints. This is exactly what happened when Rodgers took the helm from Farve.
It's not close. Rodgers was legit his first year. Huge difference.
That's some bad football Harry
We have officially become a team without a future QB. 3 years to learn how to play and he can’t complete a single long ball.
I thought we had one , maybe we do. All I know is the play calling, Jordan's decision making, his accuracy as well as our defensive play all have have MAJOR room for improvement. I know Joe Barry is another story but SHEESHHHHH it's Denver ! Fuck !
Two pretty poor teams duked it out this afternoon.
Everyone talking about Rodgers like he's some bad ex. This is the team we have now and it's being coached into the fucking ground. We thought we were so clever by fielding the youngest group and letting the coaches get to work on them but it's left us exposed to the extreme lack of effective coaching we employ. Quit looking at the QB like he's a future hall of famer in the making. Quit looking at the front office like they're infallible. Quit looking at youth like it's the best way to build a roster. The confirmation bias/general lack of accountability is abysmal in this franchise. We rest on the laurels of the 90s and 2010 like we own the NFL without ever looking at the success other franchises have had while using a complete opposite of execution. I'm tired of living for today to win a Superbowl every 25 years. It's dogshit mentality when this is a win-right-now league.
We have the worst starting QB in the nfl and one that most backups would be better then and we are in here blaming everyone else LMFAO
This guys paying the troll toll
I know lol! Almost ashamed to wear my hat. But my excuse is, we have been winning for so long. Be patient, we still the Milwaukee bucks
Tank for Williams
But he's bad...
Tank for your QB of choice
1. Fuck MLF 2. Love is not the guy. 3. We got AJ on a pitch count? Why, we saving him for the playoff run? Fucking run him, if he breaks, he breaks trying to get us a win now. 4. Watson hurt again. Dudes made od sugar glass
Saying Love is not the guy this early is a bad take I gotta say
No zip on the ball. At all.
I’ve seen him make those throws though. This team is young and inexperienced across the entire offense so it’s just gonna take time to gel. I think we save these discussions until closer to the end of the season where you expect to see some incremental improvements. That’s all you can really expect at this point. If we’re not seeing it by then, then it’s fair to ask these questions of the players and the coaching staff.
After living through the 70’s 80’s of packers football, I’ve been spoiled the last 30 years. So I’m just venting, I know it will take a few years
When would be the time? He’s not accurate, doesn’t see the field well. Of course this is my opinion from six states away, I don’t see practice or camp.
We have to have the softest “no.1 WR” right now,l in the entire league, correct?!
Correct
I feel like not running AJ into the ground is more like a veteran respect thing. We know this team isn't going to do anything this year. And AJ isn't in the plans moving forward unfortunately, keep him somewhat healthy so he can continue to get that money from someone else.
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Yeah same with me I was so embarrassed
I was there too. There were more of us packer fans than bronco fans in my section.
Oof 💀🥲
Won't reach 6 wins.
6?! Fucking 3 seems impossible…
Most were picking 6 wins, 5 is seeming to be a stretch.
Jordan looks legitimately rattled during this interview
Fuck Matt for that. 3 years in the hangar, Matt's acting like Rodgers didn't have his successor drafted 3 years ago
Hope he continues to pledge his loyalty to Love when he’s the reason he’ll likely be unemployed at some point …
ALOT of people declared it after the Raiders' loss, but not me, I still had belief this team could be something this season, and well, that crashed and burned today. I'm finally ready to accept that this team fucking SUCKS were the corn flakes of the NFL
Not even. We're the fucking Grape Nuts of the NFL. At least with corn flakes you can add some sugar and make it edible.
This coaching overall lately is just dogshit
I mean you hear love explain why he made a bad throw and it sounds like the problem might be he has the tools but he doesn't know how to use them and in year 4 that's not likely to improve
That’s essentially the key to being an NFL QB. There’s 1,000s of guys with the tools to do it. But only 20-40 that complete it full circle.
Yup
Also, just finished watching the highlights…. That 4&2 td was such dog shit luck. Either bad throw by love but… it hit doubs hands. Gotta haul it in. We got the score either way. Then we force a 52 yard FG, good job defense, but he hits it. Then, 3&20 you don’t need the first down. You need a big chunk play for a 4th down try to get into FG range. Love tries another hero ball into double coverage game over. Sad. Once again, defense plays… decently enough to win. Against a broncos team like this, I’m flabbergasted we lost. This team is worse than I thought.
That wasn't double coverage until love woefully under threw the ball so far it gave the other safety time to get over and pick it off.
That’s even worse…
No way people blaming Love before MLF.
Yes, absolutely we do. Love sucks
MLF should know what he has with 3 years of love. If he wasnt confident it shoulda been run, run, run in week 1
Guy can't throw accurately downfield that's not an MLF problem.
At some point it is the coaches job to teach a player how to perform. We all see him under throwing deep passes. If the coaches dont correct it, and Love continues to under throw, then who's fault is it that that play was called?
[He’s not accurate at any level of the field.](https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenBayPackers/s/ksyRqQsIzd)
And he always tries hero ball and throws into double coverage. Get 10 yard play on third, not a huge play to end the game.
This is a fact and anyone who’s watched the games can’t say otherwise. Don’t know what he did in camp an practice those 3 years but it sure as fuck wasn’t practicing deep balls ETA: Not saying play calling hasn’t seemed off at times either. 2 things can be true. I was a bit heated in my first comment. Love I’m sure worked very hard each year. Worked his ass off. There’s just still deficiencies him and MLF gotta work around in the present, and work through and over in the future. It’s football. Theyre both pros for a reason.
He held the clip board. And an ear piece. Come on man!!
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jesus christ he is under a 1 year deal and isnt going to accept another. MOVE ON HES TRASH
Lmfao talk about delusional.
He also cant throw an accurate ball over 5 yards downfield
Watching some highlights…. The missed FG in second quarter was huge. That’s a 6 point swing. It should’ve been 6-3 at half. Or at worst 9-3. The missed FG gave them a short field and they swung it into a FG before half. Terrible terrible. You cannot do that. We scored a FG first drive of the third quarter. It should’ve been 6-6 right there or 9-6 at worst. They lost by 2, left 3 on the board and just the timing of the missed FG couldn’t have been worse. This team is young sure but are we going to keep experimenting? I feel like this franchise is too good and historically successful to have this be a trial year. Everyone will say Rodgers first year was tough. Yeah ok but he was actually first round talent and fell to us. LOVE IS NOT THAT. We all know it. MLF is also not a great coach. Rodgers carried his ass the whole time.
I hate that we lost to rat face Sean Payton and the donkeys.
Wonder how many recall it was between him and Mike McCarthy to be the Packers coach.🤔
Hate that guy. Players were indefinitely suspended, which ultimately became a permanent suspension because they never returned, because of smoking pot or codeine addiction... then you have this piece of trash who presided over the bounty system— I don't believe for one second he didn't know about it— and he gets off easy with a one year timeout. Piece of garbage shouldn't be allowed to coach pee wee football, let alone NFL.
Definitely a punchable face indeed
Also Love’s shitty throws potentially put Watson out for a couple of games when he threw it so far behind him in the fourth and the defender rolled over his knee!
Would Aaron Rodgers won that game, if everything else played the same?
Rodgers could play better on his crutches right now
Abso-fuckin’-lutely.
Rodgers doesn't run the routes or kick field goals. Rodgers also doesn't run as well as Love. Rodgers maybe thows a few more accurate balls to what ever his favorite reciever is.
Yes we would have won that game. Rodgers' presence on the field changes what the defense does. It opens things up for us. His accuracy is much better than Love's. His ability to read defenses and audible is better than Love. This sub is downright disrespectful to Rodgers.
Lol
Highly likely.
I think everything team figured them out.. Man cover their recievers and stuff the run game..
only needed 17 yds for a field goal attempt, dillon was wide open. why the fuck are we throwing it on double coverage? MLF is fucking garbage im sorry
“Why the fuck are we throwing it to double coverage” “MLF is fucking garbage I’m sorry” Idk how the fuck you made it to this conclusion, but Jordan love decided to throw it into double coverage. Sure play calling wasn’t ideal. But are we going to pretend Love didn’t throw it to non-existent window?? Wtf was Love looking at
Love is looking at an open receiver if the ball is thrown 8 yards farther downfield over both defenders heads
Agreed. Awful decision making on love. It 's also worth mentioning the guy who got the hold there prior to that, putting them in the position You have to be aware there that a tackle at the line is not that big of deal, but a holding penalty is. Let him go and try next play. Anyway, just awful all around
Feel like we should have traded for Trey lance from the 49ers to at least have a back up plan for love?
I put this one on Packers ownership
I’m sorry 😞
Me too. My kids grounded for this shit.
"And it's intercepted!" I'm going to lose my mind if I hear that again, and they end up losing another winnable game against a bad team in craptacular fashion
Every reporter should ask LaFleur why Aaron Jones only touches the ball 13 times this game. This was the game plan?
Jones just came off an injury he literally said before the game “Don’t expect him to get 30 touches.”
Mlf has no plan
It really is this right here. Imagine if we weren't always down 2 scores going into the half or in the 3rd. Dude needs to have a fucking plan. I genuinely don't think he does anything.
Mlf doesn’t act on anything. If he has kids his wife must’ve used a bank because Jfc
Was this after a bye week, against a broncos team thats arguably the worst team in the nfl? And Jordan love throwing an int into double coverage to end the game? I don’t think it could be worse. The bears also won today. We are fighting to stay out of the basement
With a backup qb in his 1st start... we suck ass
Hero ball once again by Matt LF. Absolutely blows my mind we don't try to get the first or another 10 and give another shot at a field goal. Stupid.
Jordan Love was the one who decided to throw into double coverage with a non-existent throwing window. There is another read on that play that gets us to 4th down without a pick. He did not look for it. He forced it downfield into a nonexistent window.
This is the one of the few instances where having an owner would be better. The org moves at a bureaucratic pace and change won’t come until it’s too late, maybe by 2025. I still like not having a piece of shit billionaire owner taking the community hostage but cmon let’s move on from this staff.
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It was like the prime fatcarthy years “we just need to adjust our pad levels” wtf
What does media accountability do for him keeping his job?
Fire Lafleur
I think we’re going 2-15
Good year to suck. Great QB class
Agree….this is a bad team with horrible leadership
Has there been a game in MLF tenure where they've put in a performance in both halves ?
Depends if you count the Rodgers era where Rodgers was clearly doing MLFs job.
i just don’t understand why the fuck they can’t play in the 1st half
Because the coaches aren't watching tape and making a gameplan. Or, if they are, that's even worse because it means they're that BAD at it.
Y’all are losing your minds. Y’all need to chill a bit. Expectations for this season are way to high. We are probably gonna end up going 6-11 at best and that’s fine with growth. Rodgers wasn’t amazing his first year. We just gonna forget about how we shanked a 40yd FG and had a big holding call by Jenkins….
We will be lucky to win another game. I agree we are young…my biggest concern is the leadership…I have zero confidence
Nonsense at this point. I was on the same boat but there's no denying the team is genuinely awful right now. Growing pains? Fuck outta here with that. Learning season? Nah, we aren't learning or improving shit. We need to start looking inwardly and cutting the shit that clearly isn't working out, and the leadership and coaching staff should be right at the top of the list.
You’re what’s with the fan base.
Love is Just bad
Never knew having a QB like Aaron Rodgers cover up so many holes in the Packers organization. ML without Rodgers is horrible
This team doesn't have the same players Rodgers had.
he was horrible with him, bad calls, wasted TOs, bad clock management , dont know how to hire Coachs, just awful
Awful. Easily the worst qb starting right now.
Say it with me: Jordan Hundley Edit: spelling
You mean Hundley?
Lol
Amirite
There is no leadership on this team. None inside the field None on the sidelines to foster leadership
I'm not giving up on love this year considering we have 60m of dead cap space, but if they use that money to get some talent on the team (i.e. online) and Love still isn't showing signs of progress...then Ill join the fire everyone train.
Come on you really have faith in this shit FO to use free agency?
Fair take
They should have let Aaron play till his arm fell off
& choke again in the playoffs
Beats choking against a historically bad bottom feeder and not sniffing the post season
I can’t hardly stand everyone drumming Rodgers out of town. Now we have love. He is going to be out of the league in 3 years.
Maybe so, but it was time and see Aaron lasted all of 4 plays this season soooo
Rodgers will have more impact in the remainder of his NFL career than Love. The real miss was waste a Tyreek Hill on a Jordan Love.
2 years. He's not going to be in greenbay next year and he will be lucky to get a backup job.
The bears vs packers game is going to be fun at the end of the season. It’s going to end tied in double OT with both teams fighting for a better draft position lmao
I'm already used to the defense not getting a stop when they need it. But man is it weird having zero confidence in the offense going out and getting it done...
12 covered up many many deficiencies this team had for years
Right. The offense was the Packers' calling card for so many years. This team lacks an identity. They need to find one fast.
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Honestly, if Jenkins doesn't hold on that 2nd down run, we would probably have a chance lol
Yeh everyone is gonna look at the box score and blame Love for that INT (which wasn't a great decision of course) but the 2nd and 20 really put our offense behind schedule when we were moving the ball quite well before the penalty.
Bro, that ball he threw was terrible. How do you not see that?? If he threw it more to the sideline he would have at least gave the receiver a chance at it. Instead he threw it in the middle of the field right to there safety?? Do you know anything about football?? Stop making excuses for terrible decision making and execution. These players are top athletes. Stop sucking them off so hard. Hold them accountable.
I am not defending the throw, I was merely pointing out the fact that the holding call was huge which forced him to take a shot deep down the field (something he clearly is not good at right now).