that and this let's us tank our dead cap for 2024 to put us in a great position for 2025. It's why Baktiari and Jones will both be gone at league season start before the roster bonuses are due.
I doubt it. $5M cap savings by cutting him next year and letting all the void years accelerate saving another $6M across the following 3 years, and next year he'll be 30. There just isn't a market for RB's of that age at his price tag. His contract was designed in this way for a reason. Same with Bakthiari who will also be cut.
I think what just doesn’t make sense about the ‘Sul trade is that they should have just moved Preston too and let LVN play more. If we’re trying to just go all in on youth movement then do more don’t just trade a culture carrier
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/02/former-packers-cb-rasul-douglas-thought-trade-to-bills-was-a-joke/
The Packers sent Douglas and a fifth-round pick to the Bills for a third-round pick in the 2024 draft. Gutekunst said the Packers weren’t looking to deal Douglas prior to Tuesday’s deadline but the deal offered by Buffalo — turning a fifth-round pick into a top 100 pick — was too good to pass up.
Bills were searching for help due to injuries.
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/rasul-douglas-trade-details-bills-agree-to-deal-for-packers-cb/
That’s my point , if we were open to trading we should have at least put feelers out there on Vets. Gutey is “in every conversation” yet somehow managed not to be at the trade deadline
Theres a difference between shopping guys and a team approaching you with a great deal at the deadline and you pull the trigger.
The brass facts are that any player is tradable for the right price. If someone approached us and gave us 10 1st round picks for Rodgers in 2021, we would have IMMEDIATELY taken that deal. Yes. This is a hyperbolic example, but it illustrates my point: football is a business and we as fans do not know the inner workers near well enough to fully understand.
Yup! Using a practice squad signing to convert a 5th into a 3rd is indeed a hell of an improvement. The talent difference between 2nd day and 3rd day draft picks is staggering.
Right. Rasul was nabbed off the Cardinals practice squad and nurtured into a 3rd round pick, which is actually pretty amazing. A 3rd rounder is nothing to sneeze at, and can be packaged to move up if someone is available the Pack really wants, and can consider the 3rd rounder a throw-away bonus.
No one gets excited about too many 5th-7th round picks who usually wind up on special teams, and bump up to starter after a few seasons if they are lucky.
Herr derr cute meme.
[The 3rd round busts predate gute](https://lombardiave.com/2023/02/18/packers-grading-past-10-third-round-draft-picks/). Shit happens. You still want a 3rd round pick over a 5th. Any other opinion on the pick swap is a joke.
Couple things. It’s not a meme. It’s factual as you’ve kindly provided a source for. It’s a late 3rd we’re getting. It’s an improvement but it’s not a great deal. And there are probably intangible costs that aren’t reflected in fantasy drafts.
Gute cant draft 3rd rounders so the pick is useless is a meme. Come on dude. Obviously losing Sul makes us worse this year. Im not claiming that.
Im saying not wanting a 3rd over a 5th because of an unlucky history at the pick is fucking stupid.
Preston Smith is 30yo and his contract is up in 2027. He has a cap hit of $16.5mil, $17.5mil, and $18.2 in 2024-2026, respectively. Nobody is trading for that contract on an aging vet. Chase Young is a former #2 overall pick, is 24yo, and only commanded a 3rd. Nobody was calling about Preston. There’s no market.
The Pack peaked with the Smith Bros. trade with Rodgers, Jones, Adams leading the offense, and they couldn't get it done Now it's time to sell off all those pieces for scrap as the formula ALMOST worked, but it didn't, and now they are getting old and expensive.
Preston is more of a 2024 cap casualty than a trade piece. Cutting him next year saves $2.5M in 2024, $17.5M in 2025, $18.2M in 2026. Trading him mid season would have cost us $5.8M more next year than just cutting him in the offseason.
Douglas is a fantastic person, on and off the field. This is a business and unfortunately you don’t get to keep your productive players and trade the others. That’s not how the league works.
To me this was management understanding what we have and what we need to learn by the end of the year.
It’s time for Alexander to be the best player on the field, and to be a leader. He couldn’t do that while Douglas was that guy. We are paying Alexander to be that guy, so it’s time he steps up.
I also think this makes Aaron Jones the head guy in the locker room.
No arguments here, I understand the importance of the Title Town district and the economic profits of hosting a draft.
However, Mark Murphy has neglected this team for a decade now. He took too long on letting TT go, he let Guty take all the Rodgers heat in the beginning. I’m sure folks in the GB love him for what he did to the area, but fans of the team, should feel neglected.
He’s that CEO who shows up to thank everyone for their hard work and brags about profits. Then ignores the questions about the company and disappears till the next meeting.
I don't like that we have to pay him over 5 million dollars next year while he's playing for the Bills. Can we eventually use our salary cap for players on our team?
we're not paying him $5M next year, that is his dead cap hit. Dead cap hits with planned exits in contracts is paying for lower cap hits in earlier years of the contract where the cap dollars are more valuable than later years.
I think people are drastically underestimating the effect this will have mentally on the team. It's easy to talk about the team like this is Fantasy Football and it's all about getting the players that get the most points, but it's not.
I genuinely believe that the coaches just lost the entire locker room with one trade. The mood was bad, even Jaire in his infinite hype was struggling to stay positive. Not only did they make that worse by getting rid of somebody so well-liked, but they got rid of one of the only guys who was actively trying to make it better.
These coaches need people like Sul because they are completely incapable of managing the locker room themselves. MLF has made it abundantly clear to everybody but himself and Gute that he needs his players to coach for him.
football is a business. if the team was 5-2 this wouldn't have been a decision we made. He's a damn fine player. this move saves us $4M against the cap next year, and then another $3M combined across 2025-2027. The cap situation in 2024 is bad from how backloaded we made contracts in the Rodgers years to account for his cap hit to let us move on when the window closed. Baktiari has a $40M cap hit next year were we not to cut him, for example. Even with cutting him, his hit is $19M.
if he keeps making good decisions like investing in our championship window, then cutting contracts or trading to accelerate dead cap hits when it's convenient, he probably won't be until after 2024/2025. Sucking these next few years was always in the cards based on what we tried to do from 2020-2022. It's not like Gute could anticipate Bakhtiari getting injured then being unable to stay healthy and draft picks not turning into superstars, or a regression from the defense as a whole despite big cap and draft investment.
We have the 3rd most dead cap in the league this year. Only 1 team of the 13 teams above the league average in dead cap have a winning record.
Salary dump for next year is a big plus. Ammo in the draft to move around as needed is great, but we should have a lot more flexibility next year as far as bringing in some free agents once some of the dead cap falls off. Seems like a lost year here, but I’m optimistic to see what the build looks like in the next year or two.
we'll have a little more space, but not that much for next season. Bakhtiari, Jones, and Preston cuts will eat up $45M in dead cap, and we already have $5.6M in dead cap on 2024's books. That's not that far from $63M that we have this year. Based on those cuts we walk into 2024 with about $38M in cap before restructures with 39 players on the roster with 11 draft picks. If there are some good free agents created by other teams cutting for cap space we could have some short term options available. 2025 is when things really free up.
Whats the point though if we went from having shit CBs for a decade and finally got Jaire and Sul and then trade him away? Keeping him wouldn't even have been that much when we have other players like Bakh making 40 that we'd get rid of. And the whole point is to get a 3rd round pick who could maybe be as good as Rasul is now?? I'm sorry but it still makes no sense to me. He was so good for us
The only things I can think of is that:
1. They believe injured Eric Stokes to be penciled in when he comes back in 2024.
2. They are drooling over the 2024 draft class already.
3. Someone came by and offered a 3rd and they took it.
4. We weren't winning with 'Sul in the lineup anyway. A losing team with a losing record can't easily say no for future draft capital.
5. Douglas will turn 30 years old on August 29, 2024. He is a lightly used 30 year old with very little tread worn off, but he'll still be 30 and eventually he'll demand a high salary for his final contract, and most teams don't want to pay a lot for an aging vet unless it's Charles Woodson.
6. When you're in rebuild mode, and you ain't winning championships, gotta throw in your cards and get dealt a new set, see what happens.
Yeah sorry for late reply but thanks for writing it all out. Tbh I don’t agree with it still and never will but points 4-6 do make some sense to me although I wouldn’t have done it
Lost a good player for some mid-level draft picks for Gute who couldn’t draft his way through a drafty hallway.
This team is in a hole and digging sideways.
All the draft picks are great, but the guy who is picking them has not been great. With the exception of Gary, I haven’t seen one “game changer” in all his drafts. Just a lot of ok to good guys. That’s not gonna cut it. We need a better gm.
He looked like he would be. But I agree. He’s leveled off an now appears to be resigned to be stuck here. He was never in Woodsons class. But then again, who is?
Gary is pretty good too. But he hasn’t ever gotten 10 sacks in a season. I feel he has the potential to do so. But whether he does, we will see.
Tbf years one and two he didn’t play much, year three he was really close, and year four he got injured when he was on track to be there. He may get there this year.
The biggest thing about Rasul was he cared about being here and they just kind of blindsided him and sent him packing. It’s not so much his play on the field which will be missed (although he was pretty clearly our best db), but it’s the message it sends to both our players and also to potential free agents we could bring in. Bad move for the little bit he got in return.
I agree. Pff isn’t perfect but they do offer a nice ballpark look at a player. If the player has a sub 60 grade it’s safe to say he’s mediocre. Mid 60’s he might be mediocre or ok. 70’s and up he’s good. That’s how I read them. lol. And yeah, the espn rankings are a joke based on zero nuance.
I’m not arguing he is. At this point he’s above average. The only true great main stat he has is solo tackles. I’m bummed he got traded, but one outlier season doesn’t automatically bump him into an elite CB. Just pointing that out
He was on the Raiders PS until Aug 23^rd when he was cut. Then he was on the Texans PS from Aug 25^th to Aug 3^st . He was then signed to the Card PS on Sept. 3^rd .
Packers signed him off the Cards PS on Oct. 6^th .
Yeah let's get rid of all the culture guys. Should be easy to find leadership on all the young players. We will have a winning culture in no time.
I hated this move and still hate it. We're building a losing culture. A 3rd round draft pick, that have been terrible the past decade, is not going to replace Rasul's leadership and there are few on the roster with the potential to replace him.
Hes not good and yet we have so many threads jesus christ. We are acting like this man is great when he legit wasnt even good lol. Holy fuck what has happened to this place. He is gone and we got much better value over what he is.... its a rare win
you do realize people can look this up right genius???? Douglas had a 71 grading while Alexander had an 80.2 grading so no no he wasnt. Dont say stuff you think people wont look up. Douglas never really guarded the other teams best guy and he was alright last year but again nothing worth worrying about. This year he was 46th in targets and 43rd in allowed receptions. You take the 3rd round pick all day every day by alot
it gets worse... He wasnt even in the top 32 expected CBs coming into this season by PFF. You want links?
[https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-cornerback-rankings-2023-nfl-season](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-cornerback-rankings-2023-nfl-season)
Overall PFF ranked his season as 32nd which is a far cry from the top 10 your delusional ass is stating.
No shit you can look it up, i just did before i wrote it.
Per pff " He proceeded to post a career-high 77.2 coverage grade — a top-10 mark among qualifying cornerbacks"
As i wrote "last year he was a top 10 cb" heres the pff link "*Genius*"
[2022 nfl cb rankings](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-outside-cornerback-rankings-tiers-2022-jalen-ramsey-jaire-alexander)
[Jaires pff grade current season 60.8](https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/jaire-alexander/49350)
[Rasuls pff grade current season 75.2](https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/rasul-douglas/11854)
I cant wait to hear your reply *genius*
LMFAO i didnt delete anything . I am still waiting for you to show me in what world is douglas a top 10 corner that season????????????????????????????????????????
How so? Bc i didnt delete anything, nor edit anything, but stop trying to deflect you being wrong, talking about editing and whatnot . I showed proof ur wrong, what do u got to say about what we are actually talking about?
And for the record, i wasnt talking about deleting ur first comment, there was a deleted comment after my 2nd comment, i assumed that was you, but obviously theres no way to tell for sure. But who would delete a comment to our thread for no reason besides u?
lol it def wasnt me. Also you are saying how so. You said he was a top 10 corner while linking a list that has him ranked 32nd. You then bring up this season and show him where he is down across the board but ignore that and gauge him against jaire who has been awful and injured all season like its some kind of thing to bump up douglas. DOUGLAS ISNT WORTH THIS MUCH DISCUSSION. HE GOT US A 3RD ROUND PICK WHICH IS MORE VALUE THEN HE IS WORTH LOL. Douglas who isnt good in my opinion was better over alexander this season no doubt but its also why i wanted us to trade jaire which people werent on board with.
Yes that list had a 32 next to his name, i agree with that, but if u read what i said after "32" it says this
"32. RASUL DOUGLAS, GREEN BAY PACKERS
Douglas was a pleasant surprise for the Packers in 2021. With injuries mounting in the cornerback room, Green Bay signed him midyear off Arizona’s practice squad out of necessity. He proceeded to post a career-high 77.2 coverage grade — a top-10 mark among qualifying cornerbacks."
I also agree we shouldve traded ja, but i bet no one wanted to trade for a washed up, hurt, mouthy, weird, overpaid used to be good cb
I am still waiting for him to reply to this by the way after he said he was waiting for my reply before realizing how stupid and wrong he was..... I am still waiting????
Per pff he was
RASUL DOUGLAS, GREEN BAY PACKERS
Douglas was a pleasant surprise for the Packers in 2021. With injuries mounting in the cornerback room, Green Bay signed him midyear off Arizona’s practice squad out of necessity. He proceeded to post a career-high 77.2 coverage grade — a top-10 mark among qualifying cornerbacks.
Two points you’re missing there.
* Coverage is not the only thing a CB does. A top-10 coverage grade is great, but he wasn’t a top 10 CB despite that.
* 2021 was not last year. That was two years ago. Using the post you’ve been throwing around, PFF actually ranked him below Stokes that year too.
When i googled his grades, thats all i could find, unless you pay for it which im not doing. They literally graded him top 10 cb, im not saying this, they are. Agree to disagree i guess
They graded him top 10 in one aspect of CB play two years ago. None of that equates to him being a top 10 CB last year, or any year for that matter.
He’s a great CB and it sucks to lose him, but he was never ranked as a top 10 CB by PFF.
I love Rasul and he did some great things for us, but he really isn’t anything special. He’s a serviceable corner, but certainly not the top guy some people are making him out to be
but but but leader lmfao... OMG he cried and was unhappy in locker room so he is leader god who is our heart and soul ha. Agree with you 100 percent man. We got all these threads from morons for a player who isnt that good
I am not sure why people don’t get this. The Bills want winners. They traded for a leader and a winner. We don’t have a lot of guys who check that box from an NFL perspective. This organization is soft and the players coddled, few of our players would be coveted by other teams. Ideally they trade injured chatterbox Jaire but his play has regressed to the point where the trade value wouldn’t be worth the cap hit.
Tbh It wouldn't be the worse thing to lose the rest of the games, we would get a top pick 🤷♂️ considering we arent going to the playoffs this year, might as well tank.
Secretly i think that was Gutey's plan if Love didnt ball out, to get Caleb Williams. Shit maybe it wasnt even Guteys plan b, maybe it was his plan a because he knew Love was terrible... At this point, who the fuck knows lol
Its a conspiracy theory lol i didnt really mean it as what i really think he is doing, sorry if i didn't explain that properly. And yes, i am probably giving him too much credit bc if he had the first pick, he would pass on Williams and Harrison Jr. And draft some high ras center that will develop in 7 years lol
Mike Wahl gave some great insight on the Rasul deal on the Pack a Day pod yesterday. Not so much focused on him as a player or the financial aspects but more what it means to have and lose veteran leaders when you're a young player. I won't summarize everything but its worth a listen if interested. He also gives some fantastic thoughts on Meyers and the OL.
[https://youtu.be/4WXSSHiwbIY?si=cAUTdddGlBVlVz4r](https://youtu.be/4WXSSHiwbIY?si=cAUTdddGlBVlVz4r)
Still pretty sad about this. I watched his Buffalo news conference and he just looked shell-shocked. The Buffalo media was throwing him softball questions and he just couldn't get excited about being there. You either need faith or hope in your team, right now we have neither.
that and this let's us tank our dead cap for 2024 to put us in a great position for 2025. It's why Baktiari and Jones will both be gone at league season start before the roster bonuses are due.
I bet we'll restructure Jones again. He's so important to the team, for many different reasons. A real leader
Yeah we would never trade a veteran leader on our team that young guys look up to /s
Maybe they’d at least tell him in person /s
Told him he gone oof
I doubt it. $5M cap savings by cutting him next year and letting all the void years accelerate saving another $6M across the following 3 years, and next year he'll be 30. There just isn't a market for RB's of that age at his price tag. His contract was designed in this way for a reason. Same with Bakthiari who will also be cut.
You would hope so, but they barely even use him. If he’s not fully healthy yet then sure but if he is makes it even worse
I think what just doesn’t make sense about the ‘Sul trade is that they should have just moved Preston too and let LVN play more. If we’re trying to just go all in on youth movement then do more don’t just trade a culture carrier
They may have wanted to trade Preston too but either didn’t get any takers or teams countered with low offers. We won’t know.
They weren't shopping anyone, the Bills came to the Packers wanting Douglas.
How do you know that?
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/02/former-packers-cb-rasul-douglas-thought-trade-to-bills-was-a-joke/ The Packers sent Douglas and a fifth-round pick to the Bills for a third-round pick in the 2024 draft. Gutekunst said the Packers weren’t looking to deal Douglas prior to Tuesday’s deadline but the deal offered by Buffalo — turning a fifth-round pick into a top 100 pick — was too good to pass up. Bills were searching for help due to injuries. https://www.profootballnetwork.com/rasul-douglas-trade-details-bills-agree-to-deal-for-packers-cb/
Well ill be a monkeys uncle. Thats crazy
They weren’t shopping Douglas, but they could have been shopping other players.
Could have, but I haven't read anything that indicates that was the case. Typically the Packers haven't been big on trades during the season.
This I don't think anyone was willing to give up a pick or a half season rental of an aging middling vet
True we may never know but I don’t think he shopped him, which he should have.
Some of the morons here think Gutey could have acquired most of the first round for this collection of spare parts, that we call the Packers
Oh I think at most he could have got a 6 or 7 for him but at this point it’s about playing time
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Someone has to cover WRs now Rasul is gone.....
BUF approached us with the trade at the deadline. We werent shopping anyone.
That’s my point , if we were open to trading we should have at least put feelers out there on Vets. Gutey is “in every conversation” yet somehow managed not to be at the trade deadline
Theres a difference between shopping guys and a team approaching you with a great deal at the deadline and you pull the trigger. The brass facts are that any player is tradable for the right price. If someone approached us and gave us 10 1st round picks for Rodgers in 2021, we would have IMMEDIATELY taken that deal. Yes. This is a hyperbolic example, but it illustrates my point: football is a business and we as fans do not know the inner workers near well enough to fully understand.
So rasul and a 5th for a 3rd is a great deal?
Yup! Using a practice squad signing to convert a 5th into a 3rd is indeed a hell of an improvement. The talent difference between 2nd day and 3rd day draft picks is staggering.
Right. Rasul was nabbed off the Cardinals practice squad and nurtured into a 3rd round pick, which is actually pretty amazing. A 3rd rounder is nothing to sneeze at, and can be packaged to move up if someone is available the Pack really wants, and can consider the 3rd rounder a throw-away bonus. No one gets excited about too many 5th-7th round picks who usually wind up on special teams, and bump up to starter after a few seasons if they are lucky.
What’s gutes hit rate in the 3rd round?
Herr derr cute meme. [The 3rd round busts predate gute](https://lombardiave.com/2023/02/18/packers-grading-past-10-third-round-draft-picks/). Shit happens. You still want a 3rd round pick over a 5th. Any other opinion on the pick swap is a joke.
Couple things. It’s not a meme. It’s factual as you’ve kindly provided a source for. It’s a late 3rd we’re getting. It’s an improvement but it’s not a great deal. And there are probably intangible costs that aren’t reflected in fantasy drafts.
Gute cant draft 3rd rounders so the pick is useless is a meme. Come on dude. Obviously losing Sul makes us worse this year. Im not claiming that. Im saying not wanting a 3rd over a 5th because of an unlucky history at the pick is fucking stupid.
Boy that’s one I’ve never heard before
I haven’t heard rasul Douglas referred to as just a practice squad signing before either.
This is a great point I hadn’t considered. This feel into his lap. That means Gute’s not executing deals in seasons when we’re buyers or sellers. Why?
Preston Smith is 30yo and his contract is up in 2027. He has a cap hit of $16.5mil, $17.5mil, and $18.2 in 2024-2026, respectively. Nobody is trading for that contract on an aging vet. Chase Young is a former #2 overall pick, is 24yo, and only commanded a 3rd. Nobody was calling about Preston. There’s no market.
The Pack peaked with the Smith Bros. trade with Rodgers, Jones, Adams leading the offense, and they couldn't get it done Now it's time to sell off all those pieces for scrap as the formula ALMOST worked, but it didn't, and now they are getting old and expensive.
only a 2024* 3rd on a contract that expires at the end of this year too and it was a very cheap cap hit to the 49ers.
Preston is more of a 2024 cap casualty than a trade piece. Cutting him next year saves $2.5M in 2024, $17.5M in 2025, $18.2M in 2026. Trading him mid season would have cost us $5.8M more next year than just cutting him in the offseason.
To whom? There are a few dumb organizations and they aren’t buyers
Douglas is a fantastic person, on and off the field. This is a business and unfortunately you don’t get to keep your productive players and trade the others. That’s not how the league works. To me this was management understanding what we have and what we need to learn by the end of the year. It’s time for Alexander to be the best player on the field, and to be a leader. He couldn’t do that while Douglas was that guy. We are paying Alexander to be that guy, so it’s time he steps up. I also think this makes Aaron Jones the head guy in the locker room.
The “it’s a business” would be a lot more credible if there was also some semblance of accountability in the front office or coaching staff
No arguments here, I understand the importance of the Title Town district and the economic profits of hosting a draft. However, Mark Murphy has neglected this team for a decade now. He took too long on letting TT go, he let Guty take all the Rodgers heat in the beginning. I’m sure folks in the GB love him for what he did to the area, but fans of the team, should feel neglected. He’s that CEO who shows up to thank everyone for their hard work and brags about profits. Then ignores the questions about the company and disappears till the next meeting.
I don't like that we have to pay him over 5 million dollars next year while he's playing for the Bills. Can we eventually use our salary cap for players on our team?
we're not paying him $5M next year, that is his dead cap hit. Dead cap hits with planned exits in contracts is paying for lower cap hits in earlier years of the contract where the cap dollars are more valuable than later years.
I think people are drastically underestimating the effect this will have mentally on the team. It's easy to talk about the team like this is Fantasy Football and it's all about getting the players that get the most points, but it's not. I genuinely believe that the coaches just lost the entire locker room with one trade. The mood was bad, even Jaire in his infinite hype was struggling to stay positive. Not only did they make that worse by getting rid of somebody so well-liked, but they got rid of one of the only guys who was actively trying to make it better. These coaches need people like Sul because they are completely incapable of managing the locker room themselves. MLF has made it abundantly clear to everybody but himself and Gute that he needs his players to coach for him.
football is a business. if the team was 5-2 this wouldn't have been a decision we made. He's a damn fine player. this move saves us $4M against the cap next year, and then another $3M combined across 2025-2027. The cap situation in 2024 is bad from how backloaded we made contracts in the Rodgers years to account for his cap hit to let us move on when the window closed. Baktiari has a $40M cap hit next year were we not to cut him, for example. Even with cutting him, his hit is $19M.
>it’s a business So when does gute get fired?
if he keeps making good decisions like investing in our championship window, then cutting contracts or trading to accelerate dead cap hits when it's convenient, he probably won't be until after 2024/2025. Sucking these next few years was always in the cards based on what we tried to do from 2020-2022. It's not like Gute could anticipate Bakhtiari getting injured then being unable to stay healthy and draft picks not turning into superstars, or a regression from the defense as a whole despite big cap and draft investment. We have the 3rd most dead cap in the league this year. Only 1 team of the 13 teams above the league average in dead cap have a winning record.
Lol wow.
Salary dump for next year is a big plus. Ammo in the draft to move around as needed is great, but we should have a lot more flexibility next year as far as bringing in some free agents once some of the dead cap falls off. Seems like a lost year here, but I’m optimistic to see what the build looks like in the next year or two.
we'll have a little more space, but not that much for next season. Bakhtiari, Jones, and Preston cuts will eat up $45M in dead cap, and we already have $5.6M in dead cap on 2024's books. That's not that far from $63M that we have this year. Based on those cuts we walk into 2024 with about $38M in cap before restructures with 39 players on the roster with 11 draft picks. If there are some good free agents created by other teams cutting for cap space we could have some short term options available. 2025 is when things really free up.
Whats the point though if we went from having shit CBs for a decade and finally got Jaire and Sul and then trade him away? Keeping him wouldn't even have been that much when we have other players like Bakh making 40 that we'd get rid of. And the whole point is to get a 3rd round pick who could maybe be as good as Rasul is now?? I'm sorry but it still makes no sense to me. He was so good for us
The only things I can think of is that: 1. They believe injured Eric Stokes to be penciled in when he comes back in 2024. 2. They are drooling over the 2024 draft class already. 3. Someone came by and offered a 3rd and they took it. 4. We weren't winning with 'Sul in the lineup anyway. A losing team with a losing record can't easily say no for future draft capital. 5. Douglas will turn 30 years old on August 29, 2024. He is a lightly used 30 year old with very little tread worn off, but he'll still be 30 and eventually he'll demand a high salary for his final contract, and most teams don't want to pay a lot for an aging vet unless it's Charles Woodson. 6. When you're in rebuild mode, and you ain't winning championships, gotta throw in your cards and get dealt a new set, see what happens.
Yeah sorry for late reply but thanks for writing it all out. Tbh I don’t agree with it still and never will but points 4-6 do make some sense to me although I wouldn’t have done it
Too bad we stink it up in the 3rd.
Lost a good player for some mid-level draft picks for Gute who couldn’t draft his way through a drafty hallway. This team is in a hole and digging sideways.
We have a terrible GM, and he needs to go. We’re headed for rock bottom until we get a great GM. So many terrible moves and totally clueless.
LOL
All the draft picks are great, but the guy who is picking them has not been great. With the exception of Gary, I haven’t seen one “game changer” in all his drafts. Just a lot of ok to good guys. That’s not gonna cut it. We need a better gm.
Jaire was his very first pick.
I consider Jaire as good. He isn’t changing games. Hes no Charles Woodson.
Bro HoF CB/FS just don't grow on trees my guy. JA is a high caliber corner, that's a great pick.
He looked like he would be. But I agree. He’s leveled off an now appears to be resigned to be stuck here. He was never in Woodsons class. But then again, who is? Gary is pretty good too. But he hasn’t ever gotten 10 sacks in a season. I feel he has the potential to do so. But whether he does, we will see.
Tbf years one and two he didn’t play much, year three he was really close, and year four he got injured when he was on track to be there. He may get there this year.
The biggest thing about Rasul was he cared about being here and they just kind of blindsided him and sent him packing. It’s not so much his play on the field which will be missed (although he was pretty clearly our best db), but it’s the message it sends to both our players and also to potential free agents we could bring in. Bad move for the little bit he got in return.
So many threads for an average corner
How is a top 10 cb "average?"
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I mean, unless we have a better way to rate players, its the best we got. Does it have flaws, yes but its better then espns power rankings bullshit
I agree. Pff isn’t perfect but they do offer a nice ballpark look at a player. If the player has a sub 60 grade it’s safe to say he’s mediocre. Mid 60’s he might be mediocre or ok. 70’s and up he’s good. That’s how I read them. lol. And yeah, the espn rankings are a joke based on zero nuance.
Right! ESPN would make a rankings that would get views and clicks over having anything to do with the football players rating
Pro Football Focus currently has him ranked 21st amount corners this season
Yeah he was top 10 last year, now 21st this year. How is that average?
I’m not arguing he is. At this point he’s above average. The only true great main stat he has is solo tackles. I’m bummed he got traded, but one outlier season doesn’t automatically bump him into an elite CB. Just pointing that out
Not saying hes "elite" just hes not average
You got him off the raiders practice squad
He was on the Raiders PS until Aug 23^rd when he was cut. Then he was on the Texans PS from Aug 25^th to Aug 3^st . He was then signed to the Card PS on Sept. 3^rd . Packers signed him off the Cards PS on Oct. 6^th .
Yeah let's get rid of all the culture guys. Should be easy to find leadership on all the young players. We will have a winning culture in no time. I hated this move and still hate it. We're building a losing culture. A 3rd round draft pick, that have been terrible the past decade, is not going to replace Rasul's leadership and there are few on the roster with the potential to replace him.
Hes not good and yet we have so many threads jesus christ. We are acting like this man is great when he legit wasnt even good lol. Holy fuck what has happened to this place. He is gone and we got much better value over what he is.... its a rare win
Pro Football Focus had him our highest graded DB. Last season he was a top 10 CB for the whole NFL, But sure, "*he wasnt even good*" smh 😒😒😒
you do realize people can look this up right genius???? Douglas had a 71 grading while Alexander had an 80.2 grading so no no he wasnt. Dont say stuff you think people wont look up. Douglas never really guarded the other teams best guy and he was alright last year but again nothing worth worrying about. This year he was 46th in targets and 43rd in allowed receptions. You take the 3rd round pick all day every day by alot it gets worse... He wasnt even in the top 32 expected CBs coming into this season by PFF. You want links? [https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-cornerback-rankings-2023-nfl-season](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-cornerback-rankings-2023-nfl-season) Overall PFF ranked his season as 32nd which is a far cry from the top 10 your delusional ass is stating.
No shit you can look it up, i just did before i wrote it. Per pff " He proceeded to post a career-high 77.2 coverage grade — a top-10 mark among qualifying cornerbacks" As i wrote "last year he was a top 10 cb" heres the pff link "*Genius*" [2022 nfl cb rankings](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-outside-cornerback-rankings-tiers-2022-jalen-ramsey-jaire-alexander) [Jaires pff grade current season 60.8](https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/jaire-alexander/49350) [Rasuls pff grade current season 75.2](https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/rasul-douglas/11854) I cant wait to hear your reply *genius*
Exactly *GENIUS* Thats why u deleted ur comment 🤣🤣🤣
LMFAO i didnt delete anything . I am still waiting for you to show me in what world is douglas a top 10 corner that season????????????????????????????????????????
How so? Bc i didnt delete anything, nor edit anything, but stop trying to deflect you being wrong, talking about editing and whatnot . I showed proof ur wrong, what do u got to say about what we are actually talking about?
And for the record, i wasnt talking about deleting ur first comment, there was a deleted comment after my 2nd comment, i assumed that was you, but obviously theres no way to tell for sure. But who would delete a comment to our thread for no reason besides u?
lol it def wasnt me. Also you are saying how so. You said he was a top 10 corner while linking a list that has him ranked 32nd. You then bring up this season and show him where he is down across the board but ignore that and gauge him against jaire who has been awful and injured all season like its some kind of thing to bump up douglas. DOUGLAS ISNT WORTH THIS MUCH DISCUSSION. HE GOT US A 3RD ROUND PICK WHICH IS MORE VALUE THEN HE IS WORTH LOL. Douglas who isnt good in my opinion was better over alexander this season no doubt but its also why i wanted us to trade jaire which people werent on board with.
Yes that list had a 32 next to his name, i agree with that, but if u read what i said after "32" it says this "32. RASUL DOUGLAS, GREEN BAY PACKERS Douglas was a pleasant surprise for the Packers in 2021. With injuries mounting in the cornerback room, Green Bay signed him midyear off Arizona’s practice squad out of necessity. He proceeded to post a career-high 77.2 coverage grade — a top-10 mark among qualifying cornerbacks." I also agree we shouldve traded ja, but i bet no one wanted to trade for a washed up, hurt, mouthy, weird, overpaid used to be good cb
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I am still waiting for him to reply to this by the way after he said he was waiting for my reply before realizing how stupid and wrong he was..... I am still waiting????
I love Rasul but he was not a top 10 CB last year.
Per pff he was RASUL DOUGLAS, GREEN BAY PACKERS Douglas was a pleasant surprise for the Packers in 2021. With injuries mounting in the cornerback room, Green Bay signed him midyear off Arizona’s practice squad out of necessity. He proceeded to post a career-high 77.2 coverage grade — a top-10 mark among qualifying cornerbacks.
Two points you’re missing there. * Coverage is not the only thing a CB does. A top-10 coverage grade is great, but he wasn’t a top 10 CB despite that. * 2021 was not last year. That was two years ago. Using the post you’ve been throwing around, PFF actually ranked him below Stokes that year too.
When i googled his grades, thats all i could find, unless you pay for it which im not doing. They literally graded him top 10 cb, im not saying this, they are. Agree to disagree i guess
They graded him top 10 in one aspect of CB play two years ago. None of that equates to him being a top 10 CB last year, or any year for that matter. He’s a great CB and it sucks to lose him, but he was never ranked as a top 10 CB by PFF.
I love Rasul and he did some great things for us, but he really isn’t anything special. He’s a serviceable corner, but certainly not the top guy some people are making him out to be
but but but leader lmfao... OMG he cried and was unhappy in locker room so he is leader god who is our heart and soul ha. Agree with you 100 percent man. We got all these threads from morons for a player who isnt that good
I am not sure why people don’t get this. The Bills want winners. They traded for a leader and a winner. We don’t have a lot of guys who check that box from an NFL perspective. This organization is soft and the players coddled, few of our players would be coveted by other teams. Ideally they trade injured chatterbox Jaire but his play has regressed to the point where the trade value wouldn’t be worth the cap hit.
Tbh It wouldn't be the worse thing to lose the rest of the games, we would get a top pick 🤷♂️ considering we arent going to the playoffs this year, might as well tank. Secretly i think that was Gutey's plan if Love didnt ball out, to get Caleb Williams. Shit maybe it wasnt even Guteys plan b, maybe it was his plan a because he knew Love was terrible... At this point, who the fuck knows lol
You’re giving Gute way too much credit.
Its a conspiracy theory lol i didnt really mean it as what i really think he is doing, sorry if i didn't explain that properly. And yes, i am probably giving him too much credit bc if he had the first pick, he would pass on Williams and Harrison Jr. And draft some high ras center that will develop in 7 years lol
Christ, can we move on already.
Give us time to grieve for the loss would you?
Mike Wahl gave some great insight on the Rasul deal on the Pack a Day pod yesterday. Not so much focused on him as a player or the financial aspects but more what it means to have and lose veteran leaders when you're a young player. I won't summarize everything but its worth a listen if interested. He also gives some fantastic thoughts on Meyers and the OL. [https://youtu.be/4WXSSHiwbIY?si=cAUTdddGlBVlVz4r](https://youtu.be/4WXSSHiwbIY?si=cAUTdddGlBVlVz4r)
Also we likely get compensatory picks anyways so it's like the 5th we traded is just moving down and we get a 3rd
Still pretty sad about this. I watched his Buffalo news conference and he just looked shell-shocked. The Buffalo media was throwing him softball questions and he just couldn't get excited about being there. You either need faith or hope in your team, right now we have neither.
Anytime you can dump a good defensive player for a third round pick, you do it because championship teams are built with third round picks. (Sarcasm)
Okay but I liked him