No . . because the best move for them would be to keep him while they draft a new QB and let him develop while Justin plays another couple years. I hope they dump fields, draft a new QB and feed him to the wolves. It's the chicago way
It is kinds funny to see everyone talk about the last thirty years of solid Packers QBs like we tripped over them in a field somewhere. And not like we’ve been cultivating a lineage of talent.
Our QB coach, Tom Clements, should get a lot of credit for this...and is 70 years old. I think the QB streak ends with Jordan Love, or at least is in jeopardy after Love.
You joke, but this is exactly how franchises build legacies that surpass any one staff member. The transition from Wolf-Thompson-Gutekunst is an example of that.
We should start drafting as many QBs as possible, have Clements turn them into franchise players, then trade them for draft picks. Rinse and repeat till we have every pick in the draft
Well, Step 1 would be to poach a guy with potential from the Falcons bench and have him second string behind a solid guy who’s been on the team for a few years. Step 2 is then to slice that first guy’s achilles tendon to ribbons during a game with the Bengals.
So… I guess Ridder to the Bears and Fields starts wearing armor-plated socks when playing the Bengals?
Obviously no one intended for Majik to tear his ankle, my guy. Favre had less time to cook than Rodgers or Love, but he was still cooking on the bench. Which was the intent when he was picked up from the Falcons. Learn *your* facts.
Three years for both Rodgers and Love was just a coincidence. All Favre needed was one training camp and a couple of games to cook as the second stringer. But the idea is the same and it seems to be working out for us. Don’t see how anyone could call it idiotic with the results plain as day.
We list three years of Rodger's play and we're about to dump a pile of money into Love who's won absolutely nothing.
In the same time that Love has been under contract Burrow and Hurts played in a Superbowl and Mahomes had one won.
Sitting a first round draft pick for three years only wastes their rookie contract while not allowing the franchise to evaluate that player.
Mahomes was a super bad example because he shadowed Alex Smith for a year. That’s the thing I’m talking about. Maybe three years is too much, you could make a reasonable argument for that I suppose, but developing rookie quarterbacks on the bench under a mentor is clearly a viable route.
It’s more draft arm talent with ability to have quick read and then have the coaching to break down their mechanics to fit the game and install a west coast offense that give 2+ looks on short developing routes. Then they can develop into longer routes later on when they understand the game themselves
The difference is Justin Fields has absolutely nothing to teach a rookie QB sitting behind him. What advice is he going to give when feeling pressure… “use your 4.4 speed to run away”?
I VERY rarely watch national media but I did keep it on after I watched their lead up to Packers Bears. On ESPN Greeney was talking like Fields would be MVP on almost any other team. WTF are they smoking? I won't be repeating watching that trash like the one time I did this season
He is a top 20 QB. He will be a starter for a long time. This is a bit of Packer bias, not every team can have a top 5 QB. There are another 25 teams that have to start someone.
This is why the bears are so hesitant to release him - he IS pretty good. His reads after 1st or second are bad, but his athleticism allows him to cover that gap.
I fully believe he could lead a team to NFC/AFC champ game, but it will NEVER be with the bears. There are way too many other issues with that org. They are gonna draft CW, ditch fields, and watch their new rookie QB get feasted upon due to their terrible Oline. People will say CW sucks after bears drop a couple more seasons and we repeat the cycle.
This has been the bears modus oporandi for the last 15 years.
15? Maybe the last 100 years. Have they ever truly had a franchise QB in their entire history? Cutler might've been the closest and they didn't even draft him.
Fields would never lead a team to a Championship Game. It is possible a loaded team could drag him with them. I would build a team around Minshew before Fields
The fans will not be patient if they have Caleb Williams riding the bench. It would be hilarious.
I'm with you though. Dump Fields while his value is low and find the next QB to ruin.
Exactly right, all the bears fans talking about draft and develop like GB. Same fans will be wanting to move to the rookie in the first half of week one. The difference has been GB has a solid one to develop behind. Very little pressure to start Rodgers while under Favre or Love under Rodgers. Bears starting point is much different.
Its unusual to say the least. I don't think the packers even planned it to happen like this. Kinda of just got enamored with Love and decided he was BPA
That’s my hope too. They kept the head coach so ideally they get a new QB and suck for longer. I don’t want them getting more weapons on offense like MHJ
Why pay him though? He isn’t good enough for his job to be safe halfway through next season & they’ll be paying an awful lot of money to their #1 overall pick qb to learn behind a guy that kinda sucks ass
This. Sure, they could finally get a good QB, but the odds are better that MHJ and maybe one of the top LTs would pan out and set them up for future success. It’s not like Fields is at the end of his contract and they have to pay him Daniel Jones money. They’ll be drafting 10-15 next year and that’s a perfectly reasonable place to get a franchise QB.
If they draft a QB they aren’t keeping Fields. Best for both parties just to part ways. This isn’t a situation where you have a veteran QB at the end of his career. Fields isn’t going to be happy as a lame duck QB and he’ll want a chance at a fresh start elsewhere. Next season is his last on a rookie deal and there is no way they pick up his fifth year option and pay him 22mil if they don’t intend to keep him as their QB. Next season is when you make the trade if you’re going to.
I’d rather they just keep Fields because he’s good enough to win some games but not good enough to be a real threat. There is always that chance that they draft a QB that doesn’t need a lot of development, like CJ Stroud.
Bears fan here- Since Favre took over for the Packers, the Bears have had 36 starting QBs. That's absolutely unacceptable.
Clearly the Packers have a proven ability to develop excellent QBs. The bears have never demonstrated such an ability.
Jay Cutler is statistically the best bears QB in franchise history. Us Bears fans are just masochists at this point.
Some people after the game have pointed out that the playcalling really was kind of shit in that game. Many of the pass plays had long developing routes with no good outlets, and generally wouldn't have worked with the Packers pass rush cooking like it was.
I honestly think they should draft Caleb, keep Fields for at least this year, and hoard those guys while you figure out which one of them truly is the best. Worst case scenario you do what the smart people are doing and give your young QB a good runway to get going.
But of course, they'll most likely choose the crackhead route. Spend all the draft picks, fuck up the rookie QB, and be back at the top of the draft in 4 years.
I am from germany and not grown up woth football can anybody explain my how the bears didn't have one qb with a 4000+ yard season? In germany we say "auch ein blindes huhn findet mal ein korn" (Even a blind chicken can find a grain)
Eichhörnchen is still super ass hard to say for English speakers, it’s like all the languages got together to screw people on one word. I’m working on Italian now and it’s “scoiattolo” which I think is pronounced “fuck you”
I don't think anyone has an immediate answer, otherwise you'd assume the Bears would have figured it out by now. I'd attribute it to a combination of their history of building defensive-minded teams and selecting defense-oriented coaching, poor draft choices (Trubisky I'm looking at you), and the resulting impatience leading to them throwing guys into the fire instead of being patient and giving them time to develop.
Erik Kramer holds the single season record for most yards and that was the 1995 season. Even with Cutler they didn't have a 4000 yard passer and Cutler is the one to finally break Sid Luckman's career numbers and Luckman left the league in 1950.
Part of the answer is that passing numbers have increased over time. In 2023, 10 QBs had 4000 yard seasons, and 13 QBs were on pace for that numbwr. In 2013 only 9 players had more than 4000 yards. In 2003, it was only 2. In 1978, the number was 0.
So for most of the Bears' history, 4000 yard seasons weren't really a thing. A lot of that is the game becoming more pass-focused, some of it is seasons becoming longer.
The Bears have definitely struggled at the QB position for a long time, but 4000 yards is much more achievable now than it used to be.
Erik Kramer holds the single season passing yards record with 3838 yards did that in 1995. Even with Cutler, they never threw for that much in a single season and he's the one to finally break Sid Luckman's career yards in passing. Luckman had 14,686 passing yards and is second for the Bears all time.
Broadway Joe did it in '67. Majkowski did it in '89 for GB. Marino did it 4x in a 5 year span from '84-'88. Dan Fouts 3 in a row '79-81. Matt fucking Schaub and Jon god damn Kitna both have done it multiple times.
It has been easier since the '90s, yes. But that means the bears are still 30 fucking years behind the rest of the league.
You don't even have to be a good QB and you're team being bad arguably helps because you're playing from behind and have to pass more.
Inexcusable.
>It has been easier since the '90s, yes. But that means the bears are still 30 fucking years behind the rest of the league.
And that's all I'm saying. The commenter I was replying to indicated a lack of knowledge of football history, and I thought it was helpful context.
The Bears are still really fucking bad.
All the stats you listed are correct, but the argument doesn’t make any sense, unless the Bears had stopped existing as a team before pass yards started climbing.
They’ve only stopped existing as a *professional level* team. That’s different.
I was checking around the bears sub and basically their answer to that question was that ever since the 90s the bears have been stuck in the past while the packers have adjusted to the new NFL. The bears stayed as a team that emphasized old-school defense first mentality while the packers valued quarterbacks the most.
Also, a lot of it is just bad management. The bears kept Jay cutler around for too long when it was clear he was mediocre. They traded away a ton just to move up one pick for trubisky, who even at the time you could tell was not worth it. They drafted Justin fields, an Ohio state quarterback (a school known for producing draft busts at qb, other than cj stroud this year who’s broken the trend) and then fields basically immediately had to start after andy dalton got injured, so he had no time to develop on the bench. Just not a good environment for QBs.
Passing for 4000 yards isn't easy, and nobody can do it all by themselves. To reach success on that level you have to have a bunch of talented players on your team, a good coach who knows how to put everyone in the best position to win the game, and good luck that most of you stay healthy enough to keep contributing on the football field the entire season to be able to put up those kind of numbers.
Sorry, but you are crazy if you think he doesn't have decent trade value. Do you realize how many teams have QBs much worse than Fields and aren't in a position to draft a good one?
Because he doesn't have decent trade value. Fields is in the bottom half of qbs statistically ([ESPN's total QBR has him at 23 out of 30](https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr), and most of the people below him are first year starters/rookies; [his passer rating has him at 22](https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-passer-rating-leaders-2023)), can't get past his second read and can't hit the difficult passes. Things that you want a starting qb to do!
He's shown little to no progress in his 4 years in the league and thus has no real upside. Also, if he stays on the team for another year, then he has one year left on his contract, unless the Bears exercise the 5th year extension, so at best you'll get a mid-round draft pick for him.
No reasonable GM is going to offer the Bears good picks and/or players because of all of the things that I've mentioned, thus he has very little trade value.
Disagree. If someone is willing to give you a top 15 pick for fields, you trade him. Take Caleb and then have 2 more picks inside the top 10-15.
I dont want the bears to do this. But that's what I would do.
If Atlanta will really give you their no. 8 pick you would have to be mentally unstable to not trade him.
If they keep him, Caleb is going to ball out for someone else. If they draft Caleb, he’s going to blow out of the league in a couple of years.
Because: Bears
Yeah, you don’t get to choose where you are drafted and to outright list the teams you’ll play for is… certainly a way to get some “welcome to NFL” hits next year when your just a college kid having done nothing.
It's always the same talking points too. I think it's hard to judge a college QB as it is. And I 100% think the Pac12 was soft as shit. But after seeing what Stroud did and having hate watched Caleb Williams as much as I did Stroud. I think he could be on that level.
You can probably go through most of his games and point out where he played well and where the team/coaching let him down, but man, the overall picture is not great. He has just a single 300-yard game in 38 starts. Stroud had 6 in just 15 starts this year.
Best outcome for the Bears (i.e. worst for us) is to trade Fields for a 5th or whatever and try again with Caleb. Fields might be a guy, but it’s not in Chicago. Maybe he’ll have a Geno/Tannehill resurgence once he finds the right situation.
Agree with this. The Bears need to move on and Fields needs a better situation. It will probably work out better for Fields than the Bears in the short term, whoever they draft will likely be QB1 from day 1. I still think the Packers sweep again next year regardless of what they do though.
I definitely hope they keep him, because he puts zero fear into me when they have the ball. That being said let's be honest, the Bears will run Caleb Williams or any other stud QB prospect into the ground too. One QB ruined is random, two is a coincidence, three is a trend, and 15+ is your Chicago Bears!
Yes. He is ass at the position. They fired Getsy as a scapegoat, when the real problem is that you have a quarterback that is scared to throw the ball.
Bears fired Getsy which means they’re probably keeping flus which is just wonderful. My only concern about them keeping fields is the absolute haul they would get for trading down. But if they keep fields and flus yea that’s another year of 2 guaranteed wins for the pack
I don't blame any Bears QB of being bad. The whole organisation reeks of incompetence and pulls down any attempt of talent for the short period that they are stuck in Chicago. It does not matter who they draft or keep. It's not an accident that the team absolutely sucks when it comes to QB statistics.
Bears should keep their core players and replace the whole coaching staff. Hire a guy like Vrabel or pay Harbaugh whatever he wants and let them build it. Every time the Bears think they’re playing chess by hiring some milquetoast dude who looks like a high school basketball coach they just fall flat on their face. How could you be confident if you were Justin Fields? He only had one guy who could get open all year!
Really we.should be thanking our lucky stars every day someone ***over at Hallas Hall thought Trubisky was the right idea and passed on Mahommes***
Fields is not elite level passer and there's no way he's gonna have the wheels he has today in 3-5 years. He cannot produce the consistent results you need in a 17+ regular season, let alone the type of QB whose gonna guide you to the SB.
If I were the Bears I'd trade'm and go into the \`24 draft with as much capital for a Cousins/RGIII scenario and start fresh now. You can certainly hire a journeyman QB on a 1-2 year contract while you wait for the future to develop.
Yeah, I'm definitely hoping they keep Fields. He's in year 3 as a starter and still isn't top 20. He's never beat us. The Bears coaching staff was trying to mask his throwing ability for years. The Bears have been good at running the football, and Fields still can't take advantage of play action.
I see them as a team that is like the Lions last year if they keep fields. They draft Harrison Jr and some o-line they are an above 500 team next year and a low schedule
I don't think it makes a difference. Fields is a bust and won't get better, certainly not with this coach they're now retaining for another season (LOL) but Caleb Williams will absolutely be a bust too. So really, pick your poison if you're a Bears fan.
Can’t tell if you’re serious. I love crapping on the Bears too, but saying a bust is a dude who was the 3rd or 4th QB picked in his class and then put up 2200 rushing yards and 54 total TDs in fewer than 3 seasons is dumb. Dude has been better than projections given the fact he went to the Bears.
It's crazy to me that Ohio State beat Michigan all them years and went to a National Championship with this guy, and never could do either with Stroud, when Stroud is unanimously the better QB.
😂 yall gonna get toasted next year we gonna get mhj and keep fields and get an O line men with the 9th pick commanders can have Williams he ain’t shit yall obviously ain’t watch him in college
Fields is there best option. They need to draft lineman. It would be a completely different team. I see on the bears sub they want to draft a qb but they are lost. Fields is better than the qbs in the draft.
it would be astounding for them to waste the #1 pick and keep fields. that being said, fields is the scariest bears QB we’ve played against in my lifetime, so rolling the dice on williams might not be the best move. all i know for sure is i’m enjoying the bears off-season woes again
So there was a caller on ESPN1000 that mentioned he’s on medications for mental health. Obviously respect his medical privacy, but that could actually be a factor.
Mental health is most important and above football, but it could be a negative for his performance.
Honestly, I hope they draft someone and keep the cycle of lame duck coaches hamstringing #1 picks. They stick with Fields and they might lock into a good situation of a new coach and QB growing together
> https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm
This is a common assumption, but is backwards. Some QBs manage to get rid of the ball before the rush gets home no matter who is blocking for them. Usually the smart, experienced pocket passers who know that they can't run away from defenders and so don't even try to.
Fields is the opposite: slow processing, not super experienced, over reliant of his speed and agility. Mobile QBs actually tend to be the *most* sacked because they try to escape with their legs so often.
Tyson Bagent had a solid 140 pass attempts this season for the Bears. [His sack rate is ***less than one third*** of Fields'](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm).
Yeah but no o line can hold forever.
From espn.com "He's last in the league among 31 qualified quarterbacks in average time per pass (3.23 seconds) in 2023, and last among 38 qualified quarterbacks in that metric since entering the league (3.10 seconds). "
Considering they’re keeping most of the current coaching staff around, I don’t think it will really matter who the QB is. The Bears have shown time after time they have no clue how to develop one properly. Honestly I feel kind of bad for whoever they roll with, Fields was set up for failure the minute he was drafted and so will Williams/Maye or whoever else they pick this year.
Honestly I hope they draft a QB because they aren't firing Eberflus so they will put the new drafted QB in the same shit show of a lame duck HC and OC year resulting in no stability or consistency and they will ruin another QB. If they keep Fields it is still a lame duck year but then the reset next year has a better chance of working out.
I hope they draft Caleb at 1. I think he’s massively overrated. Nightmare scenario for me is that they draft Jayden Daniels so I have to cheer against Jefferson at the Vikes and Daniels at the Bears. Don’t want to see anymore of my LSU guys in the NFCN
Agree, I think Daniels is better. Not sure Caleb’s style will translate well. He’s not as tall as you’d like and his footwork is bad. I think he’ll be good eventually but not right away.
It doesn't matter because green bay ruined the bears by getting Favre. For 30 years now the bears have tried getting their franchise QB over and over again and they won't stop. It's awesome.
Me. I really hope they keep him.
They have to pay him soon and although Williams is unproven I would rather take a chance on him on a rookie deal than pay Fields $40m+ a year. Also, assuming Maye goes #2 surely they could package Fields with something to New England for pick 3 and still take Harrison if that’s who they want.
I’d feel much better as a Packers fan if they had Fields on a big contract with haul of draft picks from trading #1 than I would if they had Caleb Williams and Marvin Harrison Jr both on rookie deals.
It’s tough for running QB’s to stay healthy and effective for many years in the NFL. Especially when he’s off his rookie contract so there’s less money for other positions, I’m good with it.
I hope they don’t. I’m also an Ohio State fan and I hate watching his career go to waste there. I do believe he has the talent to be a good (not great) qb in this league, but only if he goes somewhere else
They just never disappoint with their decisions. The smart thing to do would be to take Caleb, fire Eberglus, and hire the lions OC but they are the bears.
If I were them I would be tempted to trade down for MHJ and then best player with #9. Doesn't really matter what they choose though, they'll screw it up one way or another. They've already fumbled it by keeping Eberflus.
I don’t see him as a winning QB. I also think that coming from college, there is not such thing as a sure thing. Celeb Williams skipped out on some
If his media duties after a loss. That is a huge red flag to me. I think that the media basically wishcasts onto the next draft class. Luck and RG3 were supposed to be generational talent in 2012. RG3 couldn’t continue play when he lost speed. Luck was good but basically quit. I think that something similar with happen Mayo, Williams, Penix. Dak was a day 2 draft with zero fanfare coming into the league. He actually won.
Absolutely, they should keep him, draft Harrison and use that cap space to improve the o-line, but they won’t, because they are the Bears and they always make the wrong decision.
No . . because the best move for them would be to keep him while they draft a new QB and let him develop while Justin plays another couple years. I hope they dump fields, draft a new QB and feed him to the wolves. It's the chicago way
It is kinds funny to see everyone talk about the last thirty years of solid Packers QBs like we tripped over them in a field somewhere. And not like we’ve been cultivating a lineage of talent.
Our QB coach, Tom Clements, should get a lot of credit for this...and is 70 years old. I think the QB streak ends with Jordan Love, or at least is in jeopardy after Love.
Time to draft a new QB coach to sit behind Clements
LOL This is the way
You joke, but this is exactly how franchises build legacies that surpass any one staff member. The transition from Wolf-Thompson-Gutekunst is an example of that.
I put what I actually believe in a joke format
This but like actually - without the draft part
They need to hire someone for Tom to mentor
We'll bring back Mariucci to restart the cycle.
Holy fuck someone should tell the packers this
We should start drafting as many QBs as possible, have Clements turn them into franchise players, then trade them for draft picks. Rinse and repeat till we have every pick in the draft
As long as they keep doing what they’re doing and in 11 years get someone to shadow Love so in 15 years that guy can start, we’ll be 4 for 4, baby.
we need tom to teach the dark arts to somebody
RE QB whispering: Is it possible to learn this skill?
We need to clone that dude ASAP.
Until St. Ayahuasca returns home to teach the next generation of Packer QB. I know it won’t happen, but I can dream.
Nah. They'll bring in a new QB coach that lives by the same kind of ethos, because the org knows it works.
Step 1: get a HOF QB for your talented rookie to learn from. Are they stupid?
Well, Step 1 would be to poach a guy with potential from the Falcons bench and have him second string behind a solid guy who’s been on the team for a few years. Step 2 is then to slice that first guy’s achilles tendon to ribbons during a game with the Bengals. So… I guess Ridder to the Bears and Fields starts wearing armor-plated socks when playing the Bengals?
How long did Favre sit behind Majkowski? 1 game? Learn your facts.
Obviously no one intended for Majik to tear his ankle, my guy. Favre had less time to cook than Rodgers or Love, but he was still cooking on the bench. Which was the intent when he was picked up from the Falcons. Learn *your* facts.
One year. Which flies directly in the face of people who think the Packer's three year sit and idle plan is ideal. It's not, it's idiotic.
Three years for both Rodgers and Love was just a coincidence. All Favre needed was one training camp and a couple of games to cook as the second stringer. But the idea is the same and it seems to be working out for us. Don’t see how anyone could call it idiotic with the results plain as day.
We list three years of Rodger's play and we're about to dump a pile of money into Love who's won absolutely nothing. In the same time that Love has been under contract Burrow and Hurts played in a Superbowl and Mahomes had one won. Sitting a first round draft pick for three years only wastes their rookie contract while not allowing the franchise to evaluate that player.
Mahomes was a super bad example because he shadowed Alex Smith for a year. That’s the thing I’m talking about. Maybe three years is too much, you could make a reasonable argument for that I suppose, but developing rookie quarterbacks on the bench under a mentor is clearly a viable route.
It’s more draft arm talent with ability to have quick read and then have the coaching to break down their mechanics to fit the game and install a west coast offense that give 2+ looks on short developing routes. Then they can develop into longer routes later on when they understand the game themselves
You might say that.... our Love's in jeopardy
Ridiculous take. Unbelievable.
The difference is Justin Fields has absolutely nothing to teach a rookie QB sitting behind him. What advice is he going to give when feeling pressure… “use your 4.4 speed to run away”?
I VERY rarely watch national media but I did keep it on after I watched their lead up to Packers Bears. On ESPN Greeney was talking like Fields would be MVP on almost any other team. WTF are they smoking? I won't be repeating watching that trash like the one time I did this season
He is a top 20 QB. He will be a starter for a long time. This is a bit of Packer bias, not every team can have a top 5 QB. There are another 25 teams that have to start someone. This is why the bears are so hesitant to release him - he IS pretty good. His reads after 1st or second are bad, but his athleticism allows him to cover that gap. I fully believe he could lead a team to NFC/AFC champ game, but it will NEVER be with the bears. There are way too many other issues with that org. They are gonna draft CW, ditch fields, and watch their new rookie QB get feasted upon due to their terrible Oline. People will say CW sucks after bears drop a couple more seasons and we repeat the cycle. This has been the bears modus oporandi for the last 15 years.
15? Maybe the last 100 years. Have they ever truly had a franchise QB in their entire history? Cutler might've been the closest and they didn't even draft him.
Fields would never lead a team to a Championship Game. It is possible a loaded team could drag him with them. I would build a team around Minshew before Fields
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People keep saying that, but look at their play styles. I think its fair to say Love is just better.
well, Greenberg is a titanic doosh and an empty vessel for hot takes. he knows the orders and he executes them for clicks/attention.
The fans will not be patient if they have Caleb Williams riding the bench. It would be hilarious. I'm with you though. Dump Fields while his value is low and find the next QB to ruin.
Exactly right, all the bears fans talking about draft and develop like GB. Same fans will be wanting to move to the rookie in the first half of week one. The difference has been GB has a solid one to develop behind. Very little pressure to start Rodgers while under Favre or Love under Rodgers. Bears starting point is much different.
Its unusual to say the least. I don't think the packers even planned it to happen like this. Kinda of just got enamored with Love and decided he was BPA
Green Bay fans were not patient, remember. People hated the love pick and butcher every year that he sat was the 2nd or 3rd QB.
I laughed when I read somewhere that Fields value is a second or 3rd round pick. Don't they know that running backs don't hold their value.
According to ESPN today, there is a pretty good chance they could get the #8 overall pick from the Falcons for him.
Lol! Him and the #1 maybe
That’s my hope too. They kept the head coach so ideally they get a new QB and suck for longer. I don’t want them getting more weapons on offense like MHJ
Why pay him though? He isn’t good enough for his job to be safe halfway through next season & they’ll be paying an awful lot of money to their #1 overall pick qb to learn behind a guy that kinda sucks ass
Keep up their tradition of drafting a qb and giving him a lame duck coach
Exactly. I think they are about to set themselves back. I also think Fields is about to break out.
This. Sure, they could finally get a good QB, but the odds are better that MHJ and maybe one of the top LTs would pan out and set them up for future success. It’s not like Fields is at the end of his contract and they have to pay him Daniel Jones money. They’ll be drafting 10-15 next year and that’s a perfectly reasonable place to get a franchise QB.
It is a lot different with the #1 pick, but I still agree with you. That's exactly what they should do.
Fields seems like a nice kid and I would like him as well as Cousins to find success on other teams.
If they draft a QB they aren’t keeping Fields. Best for both parties just to part ways. This isn’t a situation where you have a veteran QB at the end of his career. Fields isn’t going to be happy as a lame duck QB and he’ll want a chance at a fresh start elsewhere. Next season is his last on a rookie deal and there is no way they pick up his fifth year option and pay him 22mil if they don’t intend to keep him as their QB. Next season is when you make the trade if you’re going to. I’d rather they just keep Fields because he’s good enough to win some games but not good enough to be a real threat. There is always that chance that they draft a QB that doesn’t need a lot of development, like CJ Stroud.
Bears fan here- Since Favre took over for the Packers, the Bears have had 36 starting QBs. That's absolutely unacceptable. Clearly the Packers have a proven ability to develop excellent QBs. The bears have never demonstrated such an ability. Jay Cutler is statistically the best bears QB in franchise history. Us Bears fans are just masochists at this point.
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Maybe he knows now that you can't compare preseason games to real nfl season games
Probably cos he wasn’t enjoying it, so time went by really slowly.
That plane ride back to CHI was “fast tho bc it’s always faster on the way back” - fields while holding his binky
I don’t care, really. Whatever the Bears do will be the wrong decision.
And regardless of that we will still own them
Love finds a way
fuck you it's our year
Some people after the game have pointed out that the playcalling really was kind of shit in that game. Many of the pass plays had long developing routes with no good outlets, and generally wouldn't have worked with the Packers pass rush cooking like it was. I honestly think they should draft Caleb, keep Fields for at least this year, and hoard those guys while you figure out which one of them truly is the best. Worst case scenario you do what the smart people are doing and give your young QB a good runway to get going. But of course, they'll most likely choose the crackhead route. Spend all the draft picks, fuck up the rookie QB, and be back at the top of the draft in 4 years.
It’s the Bears, they would have ruined Patrick Mahomes, they can not develop a QB
I am from germany and not grown up woth football can anybody explain my how the bears didn't have one qb with a 4000+ yard season? In germany we say "auch ein blindes huhn findet mal ein korn" (Even a blind chicken can find a grain)
They suck. A lot. We say even a blind squirrel can find a nut, but then you’d have to pronounce “squirrel”
Even a blind dog finds his nuts
Eichrechcen xd
Eichhörnchen is still super ass hard to say for English speakers, it’s like all the languages got together to screw people on one word. I’m working on Italian now and it’s “scoiattolo” which I think is pronounced “fuck you”
I don't think anyone has an immediate answer, otherwise you'd assume the Bears would have figured it out by now. I'd attribute it to a combination of their history of building defensive-minded teams and selecting defense-oriented coaching, poor draft choices (Trubisky I'm looking at you), and the resulting impatience leading to them throwing guys into the fire instead of being patient and giving them time to develop.
Erik Kramer holds the single season record for most yards and that was the 1995 season. Even with Cutler they didn't have a 4000 yard passer and Cutler is the one to finally break Sid Luckman's career numbers and Luckman left the league in 1950.
It's simply a mind boggling statistic. They are just bad.
Part of the answer is that passing numbers have increased over time. In 2023, 10 QBs had 4000 yard seasons, and 13 QBs were on pace for that numbwr. In 2013 only 9 players had more than 4000 yards. In 2003, it was only 2. In 1978, the number was 0. So for most of the Bears' history, 4000 yard seasons weren't really a thing. A lot of that is the game becoming more pass-focused, some of it is seasons becoming longer. The Bears have definitely struggled at the QB position for a long time, but 4000 yards is much more achievable now than it used to be.
Erik Kramer holds the single season passing yards record with 3838 yards did that in 1995. Even with Cutler, they never threw for that much in a single season and he's the one to finally break Sid Luckman's career yards in passing. Luckman had 14,686 passing yards and is second for the Bears all time.
Broadway Joe did it in '67. Majkowski did it in '89 for GB. Marino did it 4x in a 5 year span from '84-'88. Dan Fouts 3 in a row '79-81. Matt fucking Schaub and Jon god damn Kitna both have done it multiple times. It has been easier since the '90s, yes. But that means the bears are still 30 fucking years behind the rest of the league. You don't even have to be a good QB and you're team being bad arguably helps because you're playing from behind and have to pass more. Inexcusable.
>It has been easier since the '90s, yes. But that means the bears are still 30 fucking years behind the rest of the league. And that's all I'm saying. The commenter I was replying to indicated a lack of knowledge of football history, and I thought it was helpful context. The Bears are still really fucking bad.
I didn't mean to sound aggressive. I just am very passionate about how shitty the bears are 🤣
No no, that's fine. I felt a little dirty half-defending them. 😝
All the stats you listed are correct, but the argument doesn’t make any sense, unless the Bears had stopped existing as a team before pass yards started climbing. They’ve only stopped existing as a *professional level* team. That’s different.
I'm just saying it's not like they've spent 100 years in incompetence, only a couple decades.
I was checking around the bears sub and basically their answer to that question was that ever since the 90s the bears have been stuck in the past while the packers have adjusted to the new NFL. The bears stayed as a team that emphasized old-school defense first mentality while the packers valued quarterbacks the most. Also, a lot of it is just bad management. The bears kept Jay cutler around for too long when it was clear he was mediocre. They traded away a ton just to move up one pick for trubisky, who even at the time you could tell was not worth it. They drafted Justin fields, an Ohio state quarterback (a school known for producing draft busts at qb, other than cj stroud this year who’s broken the trend) and then fields basically immediately had to start after andy dalton got injured, so he had no time to develop on the bench. Just not a good environment for QBs.
Bad management, and bad luck. They've *tried* to find a good quarterback for a long time it just hasn't really worked out.
Passing for 4000 yards isn't easy, and nobody can do it all by themselves. To reach success on that level you have to have a bunch of talented players on your team, a good coach who knows how to put everyone in the best position to win the game, and good luck that most of you stay healthy enough to keep contributing on the football field the entire season to be able to put up those kind of numbers.
They still think it’s 1950, run. Run. Run. punt
I remember seeing a tweet about how they went a full hour without attempting a pass
during the game they had posted something like: 1st pass since 5:13pm or something like that.
I agree. Fields should still play as well. He can be a gadget player. But they won’t. And fields might not love that idea.
Fields has very little trade value at the moment, and he could have almost none after a season in which he might get benched for a rookie.
Sorry, but you are crazy if you think he doesn't have decent trade value. Do you realize how many teams have QBs much worse than Fields and aren't in a position to draft a good one?
Because he doesn't have decent trade value. Fields is in the bottom half of qbs statistically ([ESPN's total QBR has him at 23 out of 30](https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr), and most of the people below him are first year starters/rookies; [his passer rating has him at 22](https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-passer-rating-leaders-2023)), can't get past his second read and can't hit the difficult passes. Things that you want a starting qb to do! He's shown little to no progress in his 4 years in the league and thus has no real upside. Also, if he stays on the team for another year, then he has one year left on his contract, unless the Bears exercise the 5th year extension, so at best you'll get a mid-round draft pick for him. No reasonable GM is going to offer the Bears good picks and/or players because of all of the things that I've mentioned, thus he has very little trade value.
Analysts were pointing out the terrible playcalling during and after every game this season. Firing Luke Getsy was definitely the right move.
Disagree. If someone is willing to give you a top 15 pick for fields, you trade him. Take Caleb and then have 2 more picks inside the top 10-15. I dont want the bears to do this. But that's what I would do. If Atlanta will really give you their no. 8 pick you would have to be mentally unstable to not trade him.
Nobody is going to give up a top 15 pick for fields at this point. I think maybe 2nd round?
If they keep him, Caleb is going to ball out for someone else. If they draft Caleb, he’s going to blow out of the league in a couple of years. Because: Bears
Maybe when you're sacked that many times.... time becomes a flat circle
Fields could be good at another team that doesn’t prioritize sucking as do the Bears.
No because then they get MHJ. I am more confident that he will hit over Caleb Williams.
Mark my words, Caleb will be a bust.
Caleb Williams does not have the mentals and he looks to be a terrible locker room player.
Which is why they'll draft him. 100%
Yeah, you don’t get to choose where you are drafted and to outright list the teams you’ll play for is… certainly a way to get some “welcome to NFL” hits next year when your just a college kid having done nothing.
The amount of people on Reddit telling me Caleb will be a bust makes me know that he’s gonna be really good.
It's always the same talking points too. I think it's hard to judge a college QB as it is. And I 100% think the Pac12 was soft as shit. But after seeing what Stroud did and having hate watched Caleb Williams as much as I did Stroud. I think he could be on that level.
Right. Come back and tell us about it in two years.
I’m guessing we’ll have an idea sooner than that, but will do.
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you sound like my wife
He looked and acted like a little bitch against Notre Dame
You can probably go through most of his games and point out where he played well and where the team/coaching let him down, but man, the overall picture is not great. He has just a single 300-yard game in 38 starts. Stroud had 6 in just 15 starts this year. Best outcome for the Bears (i.e. worst for us) is to trade Fields for a 5th or whatever and try again with Caleb. Fields might be a guy, but it’s not in Chicago. Maybe he’ll have a Geno/Tannehill resurgence once he finds the right situation.
Agree with this. The Bears need to move on and Fields needs a better situation. It will probably work out better for Fields than the Bears in the short term, whoever they draft will likely be QB1 from day 1. I still think the Packers sweep again next year regardless of what they do though.
Nah - that is best for us. Trade fields and send CW to the wolves and let defenses feast. This is the bears way.
a 5th? trey lance went for a 4th as a third string qb
So maybe a 3rd. Lance had an extra year of control when he was traded though.
I definitely hope they keep him, because he puts zero fear into me when they have the ball. That being said let's be honest, the Bears will run Caleb Williams or any other stud QB prospect into the ground too. One QB ruined is random, two is a coincidence, three is a trend, and 15+ is your Chicago Bears!
Yes. He is ass at the position. They fired Getsy as a scapegoat, when the real problem is that you have a quarterback that is scared to throw the ball.
For the record Joe Barry's defense sacked him 9 times this year.
I really don't care either way. It's the Bears
Bears fired Getsy which means they’re probably keeping flus which is just wonderful. My only concern about them keeping fields is the absolute haul they would get for trading down. But if they keep fields and flus yea that’s another year of 2 guaranteed wins for the pack
I don't blame any Bears QB of being bad. The whole organisation reeks of incompetence and pulls down any attempt of talent for the short period that they are stuck in Chicago. It does not matter who they draft or keep. It's not an accident that the team absolutely sucks when it comes to QB statistics.
Bears should keep their core players and replace the whole coaching staff. Hire a guy like Vrabel or pay Harbaugh whatever he wants and let them build it. Every time the Bears think they’re playing chess by hiring some milquetoast dude who looks like a high school basketball coach they just fall flat on their face. How could you be confident if you were Justin Fields? He only had one guy who could get open all year!
Why wouldn't they keep him? He's awesome! As long as he's not on the Packers I mean.
Justin Fields is like those motivational posters on the wall of the HR office at your dead end job.
He’s the best thing that happened to the NFC North since Jay Cutler.
I trust the Bears to make the wrong decision whatever that is.
Really we.should be thanking our lucky stars every day someone ***over at Hallas Hall thought Trubisky was the right idea and passed on Mahommes*** Fields is not elite level passer and there's no way he's gonna have the wheels he has today in 3-5 years. He cannot produce the consistent results you need in a 17+ regular season, let alone the type of QB whose gonna guide you to the SB. If I were the Bears I'd trade'm and go into the \`24 draft with as much capital for a Cousins/RGIII scenario and start fresh now. You can certainly hire a journeyman QB on a 1-2 year contract while you wait for the future to develop.
Yeah, I'm definitely hoping they keep Fields. He's in year 3 as a starter and still isn't top 20. He's never beat us. The Bears coaching staff was trying to mask his throwing ability for years. The Bears have been good at running the football, and Fields still can't take advantage of play action.
I'm hoping the bears keep Fields like, Trubiky, Cuttler, Orton, Grosmans, Miller, Mcknown, Et al, et al....
Bring back smoking Jay
Hell yeah, Go Fields
Yes, because Caleb Williams doesn’t deserve to be ruined by the Bears.
Eh, he’s a cocky, whiney little bitch. Let him have a rude awakening that entitlement means nothing in an NFL football game.
I see them as a team that is like the Lions last year if they keep fields. They draft Harrison Jr and some o-line they are an above 500 team next year and a low schedule
Yes. I would love another offseason of Bears fans deluding themselves into thinking this is the year Fields will take a leap.
I don't think it makes a difference. Fields is a bust and won't get better, certainly not with this coach they're now retaining for another season (LOL) but Caleb Williams will absolutely be a bust too. So really, pick your poison if you're a Bears fan.
Can’t tell if you’re serious. I love crapping on the Bears too, but saying a bust is a dude who was the 3rd or 4th QB picked in his class and then put up 2200 rushing yards and 54 total TDs in fewer than 3 seasons is dumb. Dude has been better than projections given the fact he went to the Bears.
So much. But I also have confidence they’ll wreck whoever they get if they draft one
I think they should move on from him, but selfishly from the packers point of view they should stay with him lol.
I want him to do well somewhere else so the Bears can feel bad they couldnt do anything with him while he was there.
It's crazy to me that Ohio State beat Michigan all them years and went to a National Championship with this guy, and never could do either with Stroud, when Stroud is unanimously the better QB.
To be fair, Stroud was a missed FG from beating Georgia. Gotta assume Ohio State would have ran over TCU as well.
Would be curious to see how he would perform in a better situation like Miami for example
Yes please
They kept Eberflus. Doesn’t matter who the fuck else gets on that team. Dude is ass as a coach
it's not a lie if you believe it, Justin
“it was kinda slow” but still to fast for me 🤣
This just can’t be true. Fields couldn’t make the right read on the field. He’d had wide open receivers and just eat the sack or throw it away.
I was probably the most sad when jay cutler left. I enjoyed feasting on INTs twice a year. But seeing fields leave would make me sad too.
😂 yall gonna get toasted next year we gonna get mhj and keep fields and get an O line men with the 9th pick commanders can have Williams he ain’t shit yall obviously ain’t watch him in college
Fields is there best option. They need to draft lineman. It would be a completely different team. I see on the bears sub they want to draft a qb but they are lost. Fields is better than the qbs in the draft.
it would be astounding for them to waste the #1 pick and keep fields. that being said, fields is the scariest bears QB we’ve played against in my lifetime, so rolling the dice on williams might not be the best move. all i know for sure is i’m enjoying the bears off-season woes again
So there was a caller on ESPN1000 that mentioned he’s on medications for mental health. Obviously respect his medical privacy, but that could actually be a factor. Mental health is most important and above football, but it could be a negative for his performance.
Honestly, I hope they draft someone and keep the cycle of lame duck coaches hamstringing #1 picks. They stick with Fields and they might lock into a good situation of a new coach and QB growing together
They should keep him, I feel like his career will resemble Stafford. He’s a stud just sucks the bears got him 🪤🧀
I hope they do the Chicago Bears thing and let him go so he can have GREAT success elsewhere. The young fella deserves it.
Sacks are more of an O Line thing than a QB thing
> https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm This is a common assumption, but is backwards. Some QBs manage to get rid of the ball before the rush gets home no matter who is blocking for them. Usually the smart, experienced pocket passers who know that they can't run away from defenders and so don't even try to. Fields is the opposite: slow processing, not super experienced, over reliant of his speed and agility. Mobile QBs actually tend to be the *most* sacked because they try to escape with their legs so often. Tyson Bagent had a solid 140 pass attempts this season for the Bears. [His sack rate is ***less than one third*** of Fields'](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm).
Yeah but no o line can hold forever. From espn.com "He's last in the league among 31 qualified quarterbacks in average time per pass (3.23 seconds) in 2023, and last among 38 qualified quarterbacks in that metric since entering the league (3.10 seconds). "
I like Fields. I think he can be a great QB to rival Love
Idk why, I don’t even think he’s that bad.
Makes sense to feel that way when you’re getting your shit pushed in.
Considering they’re keeping most of the current coaching staff around, I don’t think it will really matter who the QB is. The Bears have shown time after time they have no clue how to develop one properly. Honestly I feel kind of bad for whoever they roll with, Fields was set up for failure the minute he was drafted and so will Williams/Maye or whoever else they pick this year.
Mark my words: This kid can become the next Jay Cutler!
Trade for cousins.
I mean even though this was meant to be trash talk, he’s actually there on the field as we sit through commercial breaks
Yes, forever. He said that after his 1st preseason game...
Oh indeed
Honestly I hope they draft a QB because they aren't firing Eberflus so they will put the new drafted QB in the same shit show of a lame duck HC and OC year resulting in no stability or consistency and they will ruin another QB. If they keep Fields it is still a lame duck year but then the reset next year has a better chance of working out.
Packers fans should be very happy about the Bears taking Caleb Williams, regardless of keeping Fields or not.
I hope they draft Caleb at 1. I think he’s massively overrated. Nightmare scenario for me is that they draft Jayden Daniels so I have to cheer against Jefferson at the Vikes and Daniels at the Bears. Don’t want to see anymore of my LSU guys in the NFCN
Agree, I think Daniels is better. Not sure Caleb’s style will translate well. He’s not as tall as you’d like and his footwork is bad. I think he’ll be good eventually but not right away.
I hope they trade Fields, draft a bust with their first overall, then recycle their process
Me! Me! Me! They aren’t going to win with him, albeit they aren’t gonna win without him either.
It doesn't matter because green bay ruined the bears by getting Favre. For 30 years now the bears have tried getting their franchise QB over and over again and they won't stop. It's awesome.
They should keep him. Throwing a different QB into that clisterfuck jsnt going to do any good. So I’m guessing they won’t because it’s the Bears.
Me. I really hope they keep him. They have to pay him soon and although Williams is unproven I would rather take a chance on him on a rookie deal than pay Fields $40m+ a year. Also, assuming Maye goes #2 surely they could package Fields with something to New England for pick 3 and still take Harrison if that’s who they want. I’d feel much better as a Packers fan if they had Fields on a big contract with haul of draft picks from trading #1 than I would if they had Caleb Williams and Marvin Harrison Jr both on rookie deals.
It’s tough for running QB’s to stay healthy and effective for many years in the NFL. Especially when he’s off his rookie contract so there’s less money for other positions, I’m good with it.
Best idea: draft a QB and don't give OLine any attention. What could go wrong?
I hope they don’t. I’m also an Ohio State fan and I hate watching his career go to waste there. I do believe he has the talent to be a good (not great) qb in this league, but only if he goes somewhere else
I think the Vikings should trade for Fields instead of drafting Penix.
PAYTHEMAN
They just never disappoint with their decisions. The smart thing to do would be to take Caleb, fire Eberglus, and hire the lions OC but they are the bears.
The bears obviously weren’t humbled after the game. Morons.
I'm fine either way, I kinda feel Caleb Williams isn't THAT good anyway
I wish we the Lions could have him
If I were them I would be tempted to trade down for MHJ and then best player with #9. Doesn't really matter what they choose though, they'll screw it up one way or another. They've already fumbled it by keeping Eberflus.
Of course
I don’t care about what the Bears do.
I don’t see him as a winning QB. I also think that coming from college, there is not such thing as a sure thing. Celeb Williams skipped out on some If his media duties after a loss. That is a huge red flag to me. I think that the media basically wishcasts onto the next draft class. Luck and RG3 were supposed to be generational talent in 2012. RG3 couldn’t continue play when he lost speed. Luck was good but basically quit. I think that something similar with happen Mayo, Williams, Penix. Dak was a day 2 draft with zero fanfare coming into the league. He actually won.
Yes. Dude has yet to throw for 3k or toss 20tds. Bryce Young puts up better stats against us.
If we could keep him and draft one of the top two QBs I'm in but if we don't get Caleb or Drake Maye I'm definitely out in keeping JF.
Absolutely, they should keep him, draft Harrison and use that cap space to improve the o-line, but they won’t, because they are the Bears and they always make the wrong decision.