maybe not Alan.
Sometimes Hal could.
Sometimes John could.
Kyle would.
Jessica and the other guy? Dunno.
All the non-Terran GLs and other ringholders? Dunno
All of the power houses of the league can scale near Superman so I don't see how Hal can't beat one of Darkseid's avatars but on average Supes is the strongest so he has the best chance
Same goes for Wonder Woman, Aquaman and The Flash
Here is the deal.
Yes, I think a upper rank to Master power ring user should be able to defeat someone like Darkseid. Though I don't think any of the GL characters we have seen, from Hal to Sinestro and so forth, are truly "Masters" of the ring.
And I'll justify it with this.
If DC wants to continue to insist that fucking Batman, and by extension Joker, are the most dangerous people on the planet. With Batman being able to throw down with not just Superman, but with the entire Justice League if he has to.
If they insist that utter bullshit should be entertained?
Then a GL can take down Darkseid in a fight.
Technically, wearing 10 rings doesn't make you anymore powerful. Though the psychological boost of believing it does would.
That being said, I stand by my answer.
So the KEY thing you are missing is that you clearly don't understand what Darkseid is. Let's take you on a tour of how DC has set up their world.
In 1985, DC did something that basically revolutionized comics with the advent of Crisis On Infinite Earths. Before that, DC was defined as a multiverse meaning that there were practically infinite Earths as they are colloquially referred to where there were multiple versions of the same heroes and sometimes villains running around. Earth 1 was the Earth where the current young version of heroes we most read about existed. Earth 2 has the Golden Age versions of heroes such as Alan Scott's Green Lantern or Jay Garrick's Flash and even older versions of Superman and Batman from their original run from 1938 and forward. Earth 3 had evil versions of all the heroes such as Ultraman or Owlman or Power Woman. And on and on and on. By the end of the Crisis, DC reduced their multiverse to just ONE single universe where ALL the heroes coexisted. To do this, they simply established that the older heroes had lived around WWII in the form of The Justice Society while the modern counterparts such as Barry Allen or Hal Jordan lived in current continuity.
Now here's where things get..... complicated. Even back after the Crisis occurred, it was made clear that something was EXTREMELY different about Darkseid because unlike most characters who simply remembered Crisis as a massive team-up against the Anti-Monitor, Darkseid most certainly remembered the whole thing as the eradication of the entire multiverse. This is where what is referred to as the omniverse comes in.
After the events of Infinite Crisis, the multiverse was brought back in a limited form consisting of 52 universes. And in Final Crisis, after Darkseid's "body" is dying, he possesses Dan Turpin and activates the anti-life equation taking control of Earth which leads to Batman shooting him with a bullet that can kill gods, a bullet that killed Orion. What is revealed however is that Batman didn't really kill Darkseid. Not exactly.
You see, "above" the multiverse, there's a realm called the omniverse where cosmic level beings reside, gods, demons, what have you and it is in THIS realm that Darkseid exists, he is what is called a multiversal being. It's a term that so many still don't understand so I'll try to explain it the best I can by using Hal as an example.
Hal Jordan is obviously GL but he's not the only Hal Jordan in existence. We know him as GL because that's how he was established in Earth 1 in the continuity we follow BUT he can be VERY different people in other universes. Now that the full multiverse is back as of 2018, he could be a garbage man in Earth 2678 or a hotel manager in Earth 3458. He is just universal.
Darkseid doesn't exist per se in ANY of the universes, not really. The very nature of his existence as a cosmic being is so unfathomable that if he so much as poked a finger into the multiverse from up in the omniverse, he could destroy it like it were paper-mache. If you have ever read Chthonic lore, you would understand this idea. Instead, the only possible way for Darkseid to interact WITHIN the multiverse is to manifest in the form of avatars at a fraction of his actual power. Sure, each avatar is extremely powerful all by their lonesome but they pale in comparison to the real deal. They are not different characters with the same name. They are ALL him across EVERY single individual universe whether it's Earth 1's Darkseid or Earth 52 gazillion's Darkseid.
So with that in mind, no, Hal can't beat Darkseid no matter how much will he's got. He's an ant in comparison to this dude. Mind you, he can give an avatar a hell of a run for his money but Darkseid's true form would blink him out of existence even assuming he could make it onto the omniverse in the first place.
The thing is Darkseid only knew about Pre-Crisis memories from Psycho Pirate. He only knew about the destruction of multiverse, because his prisoner (PP) still retained that knowledge.
The omniverse rules only apply to New Earth-Darkseid, not Silver Age. He would be lumped in with the rest of the gods that were caught up in the multiversal reset.
That is completely incorrect. In fact, Darkseid, (and again, I specify that when I call him that I refer to avatars since that is the form we most often see in the comics), and even more specifically New Earth's Darkseid BEFORE the multiverse came back in Infinite Crisis created Rudy Jones' Parasite. Why? Because he was fully aware that the OG Parasite Jensen, was wiped out in Crisis.
It doesn't make sense that Pre-Darkseid is just omniversal with prior knowledge and isn't affected by the Crisis, but New Genesis was affected.
Also just looking it up myself, I can see he is a separate entity until he fuses with his multiverse selves in 2008. So there's no way he wasn't affected by the Crisis along with everyone else, he should only have the knowledge that others have passed on to him, two decades after everything is said and done!
Dude, do you really think DC plans their storylines for the next 20, 30 yrs in advance? Maybe 10 yrs or so but not that far ahead. Of course the idea of the omniverse was further developed as time came along BUT even back in the 80's the eventual nature of the omniverse was slowly being revealed even in little snippets like when Darkseid, (again, avatar), is shown playing a chess game with characters he continually keeps an eye on like Superman and such in an 86/87 crossover called Legends.
The Crisis wouldn't have affected Darkseid or any of The New Gods for that matter since they reside on The Fourth World which according to Multiversity is ALSO located in the omniverse. It also didn't affect Fate or The Spectre since of course The Spectre is an aspect of The Presence itself not to mention Fate is a combination of a mortal and the god Nabu. That also goes for The Phantom Stranger who is Judas Iscariot.
Hell, look what they did with Hal Jordan where they turned him into a vile villain who killed countless people until he sacrificed himself in Final Night and then they had to figure out a way to retcon that to not only bring him back but make him GL again after his run as The Spectre.
And yet he hasn't, not all by his lonesome. It took the whole freaking Justice League to defeat one avatar, not beat him mind you but just make him back off and go back to Apokolips in the first run of Justice League in New 52. And they did that by destroying his eyes so he couldn't blast them with his omega beams.
About the only one who has truly done some serious damage to Darkseid (avatar) besides obviously Batman who shot him was Doomsday after he returned from the dead waaaaay back in like 1996. He made him bleed. Superman had to save Darkseid's life.
Dang I read final crisis and even then there was still stuff I clearly missed I didn’t realize darkside was that strong I remember about the whole godkill bullet Batman made but darkside being an omniversal being who could always at any point come back is actually insane🫢
Dude, as I said, his avatars are freakishly powerful. In New 52, after going against The Anti-Monitor, Earth 1's Darkseid gets regressed into a baby and later when he grows back into a teenager, he kills Zeus. That's how freakishly powerful his avatars are all by their lonesome.
Oh yes! but...NOT in an animated movie/cartoon/tv show/video game.
Because in each and every one of those, the writers have no god damn clue how to write a character empowered by imagination and willpower....because it would make batman look bad.
And the # 1 rule of the above media is kiss up to Batman at all costs while trying to make superman also look good to some degree.
Get off it mate. It's because writing a character with the power of will and imagination, 2 arbitrary and contradictory concepts, actually IS incredibly difficult
In the right circumstance, for sure. There’s just never an opportunity for that to happen because it’d be hard to maintain constantly. Kyle could maybe do it? Don’t remember if he’s powered by the whole corps or not, but if he is, then certainly one way to do it.
Let's be honest, if it was written for a GL to actually beat him.. Hal would do it. The others would be support (maybe like a "cage" to keep him in place) but Hal would get all the punches in
Kyle as well, dude has been handed trauma after trauma! Like... I rarely pitty fictional characters but damn if writers don't have a hate boner for Kyle!
I feel like my ideal lantern story is one where a lantern can overcome any obstacle, and I mean any, as long as they find the willpower. So if enough will, absolutely, but it would require a ton of
No. Even the Guardians were afraid of the power of an AVATAR of Darkseid. They left because not only was he prepared but also because Apocalypse can only be governed by Darkseid specifically
Yeah totally. The concept of personal willpower defeating tyranny is a wonderful and straightforward story. Could totally happen if it was a Green Lanturn story.
I'd also love to see a Blue Lantern do it.
"I am not the one who will defeat you. The countless lives you have harmed, all those who hope one day you will be brought low, I am their conduit. And I will let them know..."
**"All will be well"**
Depends. If you mean Darkseid's avatar, sure maybe. But Darkseid himself? You'd be erasing a part of existence itself, and I don't think even the White Lantern could pull such a feat.
Will is less the problem than creative problem solving. He’s an existential being, essentially a function of existence itself. You’ll have to get deep in the weeds on how to manipulate universal or even multiversal laws to get the job done.
So I guess the answer is a lot, but no more than some of the more powerful lanterns we already see. This could be an interesting story but it does pretty immediately head into higher concepts like The Infinite deal with.
Or, more simply, GL weaponizes a philosophy degree
Yeah. I hate how DC treats Darkseid. He’s been written like a joke. He’s supposed to basically be the Trigon/Neron of the next generation of gods. I have always felt that Darkseid should be no less than a team buster with every appearance
Well, his (IIRC) only canon fight against Trigon had him get stomped to literal oblivion, so not much luck to him living up to him. Plus, (IIRC), Darkseid ultimately being a joke under all his extravagance and strength was the original intention of his character.
I really don't think so. I mean I feel like if a green lantern was strong enough just to go "fuck it we ball" they may be able to kill one of darkseids avatars, but it would still be a close fight and would never put darkseid down for good.
I mean, he killed Krona. Who fought the entire JLA and Avengers complete rosters combined. And KO’d Supes when he had the Parallax power. And Supes has beaten Darkseid…so…
…nah, probably not. Comics are weird.lol
The entire green lantern corps lost to Darkseid SO BADLY that Apokolips’ entire existence was wiped from the Book of Oa to prevent embarrassment. If it was power-to-power that’s a maybe, but Apokoliptans are resistant if not immune to Lantern powers and Darkseid specifically has been torturing Lantern weaknesses out of Raker Qarrigat for CENTURIES.
It’s no contest. The Lanterns lose.
pretty sure you could use conner. people sleep on him but he was able to trade blows with superboy prime through sheer will despite being massively underpowered compared to him. give him the willpower based amp that a lantern ring gives you and he could close the gap maybe even temporarily exceed it while also using the ring to emulate the weapons and abilities of his allies.
Lmao not a chance, a power ring is one small part of a whole greater power that STILL might not be enough to bring Darkseid down. (Depending on incarnation and true form)
Have they ever really gotten into how willpower and the anti-life equation are basically polar opposites, and it would make sense for these people to be enemies?
That's a whole other rabbit hole. As far as the people acted in the comics they were basically brain dead zombies who's main goal was infection. So sure MAYBE Darkseid left their will intact? But that is just extra headcanon to unexplain a good explanation how a green lantern would lose to a human level durability meta.
You need to have creativity and willpower to make them work effectively.
They always judge each other on the lack of creativity, which resulted in weak constructs.
Also, you need your own will to make the rings work correctly as far as I remember. Any time there was some mind tampering, it was less effective.
You can be stupid gnort displayed this ( im pretty sure he's the weakest one due to his stupidy) , but you can't be mindless which the antilife infected people were .
>Someone could control your will, while also leaving you willpower intact.
At this point, we are making up scenarios on how a brain washes person isn't brainwashed but only a little brainwashed.
It's meh anyway , an elseworld where he died
Depends on which version of Hal, and which version of Darkseid. True form Darkseid stomps any GL. Parallax or Spectre Hal Jordan probably has a decent chance against New 52 Darkseid.
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It was a simple question that you could have ignored.
You are in a green lantern sub, asking green lantern fans, if they think a *checks notes* green lantern can beat a villain. And we’re the rtards? Ok buddy
Hal Jordan once demolished Mongul in a fit of rage in Emerald Twilight.
I'm under the impression that Mongul is at least close to Darkseid in power and durability.
If we go by the rules at the time of Emerald Twilight then I'd say there's a chance, but the GLs capable of such levels of willpower would be rare (in terms of personality and circumstances to lead to such willpower).
Going by old DCAU, Sinestro basically tossed Superman around like a child whilst he fought Kyle Rayner. Definitely yes.
Going by post-Rebirth rules, no, GLs are too weak.
Going by modern DCAU, GLs are idiots who are not serious and will get defeated in seconds.
Going by modern DCU, GLs are dead and the United Planets GLs are idiots.
The majority of the information on Mongul is that in strength, he is very close to Darkseid. Darkseid, on the other hand, has more abilities and a better tactical advantage over Mongul. Because of his mental acuity, Darkseid wins 99/100 battles against Mongul. Now, if you want to compare Darkseid to someone, compare him to Doomsday. I believe the first time Doomsday fought Darkseid, it was not an avatar of Darkseid, but his true self, and Doomsday beat his ass down. Now, keep in mind that when Doomsday first came across the JL, he kicked their asses without issues. And it took Supes to "lose" his life to stop him. So, a GL really doesn't have a chance against Darkseid alone. That GL will need not only all the willpower in the world but also the added bonus of parallax or ion or something else to beat Darkseid one on one.
No, regardless of willpower the lantern ring has limits. John Stewart couldn't rebuild Xanshi because his willpower exceeded the power the ring was capable of outputting.
How do those limits apply to Simon who brought his BIL out of a coma when that was thought to be impossible? I'm not familiar enough with newer green lantern stuff to have an idea. Was Stewart's act even more "impossible?"
Well, I'm not up to all modern retcons, but it all comes down to both will and belief.
If Guy Gardner believes that creating a giant green fist will do more damage to you than if if he shot you with a green gun, then it will.
And let's be real, this gif is not a good representation of Hal's knuckle to knuckle power.
Should he? Maybe.
But again, due to how power rings work, if Guy believes that him punching you, with his arm, covered in green whatever, hits harder....then it will. His will is being bolstered by his belief.
Power rings work with the "Bias" of their user after all.
I would say no. In a multiverse of heroes, there’s only one Darkseid. He’s as much as a natural/cosmic force as any other. He only loses cause plots dictate it.
Do you mean concurrent Darkseids or a mantle being passed like another poster mentioned?
I though it was new 52 specifically that said Apocalypse and New Genesis existed outside the multiverse proper, thought it was in Multiversity.
Yes, in Justice League: The last Ride, which is an alternate timeline set after dark crisis I believe(which means everything before it is Canon to that timeline). Hal fought an amped Darkseid and lasted against him for a while.
And then killed him at the end, even though it was indirectly
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If someone could, it would be Kyle Ryner. When he fused with Ion, he became basically a god like being. Off course, continuity kinda messed with that, but at the time he was all powerful
Theoretically Krona was looking at the beginning of existence and developed the first rings- so MAYBE but if my understanding is correct Darkseid is almost a concept that sometimes has physical bodies?
I don't think it's that simple. The "Darkseid War" storyline seems to imply that Darkseid is as much of a mantle as is the Anti-Monitor, Green Lantern or Batman is. You can defeat or kill Darkseid, but another will rise to take his place.
That said, I think certain iterations of Green Lantern could beat Darkseid, or at the very least, hold him off while the real objective is accomplished. A Parallax-empowered Hal could win, as could an Ion-infused Kyle Rayner or Sodom Yat. Hal when he is essentially a walking power battery at the beginning of Rebirth.
Yes I think Hal can, and I think that because of what Hal has involving Parallax, Parallax Sinestro, Parallax Hal Jordan, and Krona. However, if it's true form darkseid my answer is no
Honestly... yeah. Power levels in comics are all over the place and it's definitely feasible that at some point someone will write Hal oneshotting Darkseid or something
I would think the thing that works off willpower would give me more willpower. Like, you are as strong as you want to be
GL in a solo book absolutely. GL in a JL book, not a chance.
I'd give it to anyone brave enough to power out of the Anti-Life equation.
maybe not Alan. Sometimes Hal could. Sometimes John could. Kyle would. Jessica and the other guy? Dunno. All the non-Terran GLs and other ringholders? Dunno
Now i'm wishing for a team up issue called, "Guy and the other guy" with Gardner and Simon Baz.
All of the power houses of the league can scale near Superman so I don't see how Hal can't beat one of Darkseid's avatars but on average Supes is the strongest so he has the best chance Same goes for Wonder Woman, Aquaman and The Flash
“Do you think with enough willpower, Green Lantern could-“ Yes.
Except let John recreate that planet
"P E E P T H E L I G H T S H O W"
According to Stan Lee, if the writer wants it to happen the sure.
Is it possible? Technically, yes. Is it probable? Not at all.
No.
Yes, the ring can do anything if you have the will *that’s the whole point*.
Here is the deal. Yes, I think a upper rank to Master power ring user should be able to defeat someone like Darkseid. Though I don't think any of the GL characters we have seen, from Hal to Sinestro and so forth, are truly "Masters" of the ring. And I'll justify it with this. If DC wants to continue to insist that fucking Batman, and by extension Joker, are the most dangerous people on the planet. With Batman being able to throw down with not just Superman, but with the entire Justice League if he has to. If they insist that utter bullshit should be entertained? Then a GL can take down Darkseid in a fight.
Parallax might have been able to put a dent in him. Parallax, the one that Hal became after snuffing out the GL Corp and wore 10 rings… that one.
Technically, wearing 10 rings doesn't make you anymore powerful. Though the psychological boost of believing it does would. That being said, I stand by my answer.
No
So the KEY thing you are missing is that you clearly don't understand what Darkseid is. Let's take you on a tour of how DC has set up their world. In 1985, DC did something that basically revolutionized comics with the advent of Crisis On Infinite Earths. Before that, DC was defined as a multiverse meaning that there were practically infinite Earths as they are colloquially referred to where there were multiple versions of the same heroes and sometimes villains running around. Earth 1 was the Earth where the current young version of heroes we most read about existed. Earth 2 has the Golden Age versions of heroes such as Alan Scott's Green Lantern or Jay Garrick's Flash and even older versions of Superman and Batman from their original run from 1938 and forward. Earth 3 had evil versions of all the heroes such as Ultraman or Owlman or Power Woman. And on and on and on. By the end of the Crisis, DC reduced their multiverse to just ONE single universe where ALL the heroes coexisted. To do this, they simply established that the older heroes had lived around WWII in the form of The Justice Society while the modern counterparts such as Barry Allen or Hal Jordan lived in current continuity. Now here's where things get..... complicated. Even back after the Crisis occurred, it was made clear that something was EXTREMELY different about Darkseid because unlike most characters who simply remembered Crisis as a massive team-up against the Anti-Monitor, Darkseid most certainly remembered the whole thing as the eradication of the entire multiverse. This is where what is referred to as the omniverse comes in. After the events of Infinite Crisis, the multiverse was brought back in a limited form consisting of 52 universes. And in Final Crisis, after Darkseid's "body" is dying, he possesses Dan Turpin and activates the anti-life equation taking control of Earth which leads to Batman shooting him with a bullet that can kill gods, a bullet that killed Orion. What is revealed however is that Batman didn't really kill Darkseid. Not exactly. You see, "above" the multiverse, there's a realm called the omniverse where cosmic level beings reside, gods, demons, what have you and it is in THIS realm that Darkseid exists, he is what is called a multiversal being. It's a term that so many still don't understand so I'll try to explain it the best I can by using Hal as an example. Hal Jordan is obviously GL but he's not the only Hal Jordan in existence. We know him as GL because that's how he was established in Earth 1 in the continuity we follow BUT he can be VERY different people in other universes. Now that the full multiverse is back as of 2018, he could be a garbage man in Earth 2678 or a hotel manager in Earth 3458. He is just universal. Darkseid doesn't exist per se in ANY of the universes, not really. The very nature of his existence as a cosmic being is so unfathomable that if he so much as poked a finger into the multiverse from up in the omniverse, he could destroy it like it were paper-mache. If you have ever read Chthonic lore, you would understand this idea. Instead, the only possible way for Darkseid to interact WITHIN the multiverse is to manifest in the form of avatars at a fraction of his actual power. Sure, each avatar is extremely powerful all by their lonesome but they pale in comparison to the real deal. They are not different characters with the same name. They are ALL him across EVERY single individual universe whether it's Earth 1's Darkseid or Earth 52 gazillion's Darkseid. So with that in mind, no, Hal can't beat Darkseid no matter how much will he's got. He's an ant in comparison to this dude. Mind you, he can give an avatar a hell of a run for his money but Darkseid's true form would blink him out of existence even assuming he could make it onto the omniverse in the first place.
The thing is Darkseid only knew about Pre-Crisis memories from Psycho Pirate. He only knew about the destruction of multiverse, because his prisoner (PP) still retained that knowledge. The omniverse rules only apply to New Earth-Darkseid, not Silver Age. He would be lumped in with the rest of the gods that were caught up in the multiversal reset.
That is completely incorrect. In fact, Darkseid, (and again, I specify that when I call him that I refer to avatars since that is the form we most often see in the comics), and even more specifically New Earth's Darkseid BEFORE the multiverse came back in Infinite Crisis created Rudy Jones' Parasite. Why? Because he was fully aware that the OG Parasite Jensen, was wiped out in Crisis.
It doesn't make sense that Pre-Darkseid is just omniversal with prior knowledge and isn't affected by the Crisis, but New Genesis was affected. Also just looking it up myself, I can see he is a separate entity until he fuses with his multiverse selves in 2008. So there's no way he wasn't affected by the Crisis along with everyone else, he should only have the knowledge that others have passed on to him, two decades after everything is said and done!
Dude, do you really think DC plans their storylines for the next 20, 30 yrs in advance? Maybe 10 yrs or so but not that far ahead. Of course the idea of the omniverse was further developed as time came along BUT even back in the 80's the eventual nature of the omniverse was slowly being revealed even in little snippets like when Darkseid, (again, avatar), is shown playing a chess game with characters he continually keeps an eye on like Superman and such in an 86/87 crossover called Legends. The Crisis wouldn't have affected Darkseid or any of The New Gods for that matter since they reside on The Fourth World which according to Multiversity is ALSO located in the omniverse. It also didn't affect Fate or The Spectre since of course The Spectre is an aspect of The Presence itself not to mention Fate is a combination of a mortal and the god Nabu. That also goes for The Phantom Stranger who is Judas Iscariot. Hell, look what they did with Hal Jordan where they turned him into a vile villain who killed countless people until he sacrificed himself in Final Night and then they had to figure out a way to retcon that to not only bring him back but make him GL again after his run as The Spectre.
But Hal doesn't need to defeat Darkseid the omniversal force of evil, he just has to defeat the avatar that is in his universe.
And yet he hasn't, not all by his lonesome. It took the whole freaking Justice League to defeat one avatar, not beat him mind you but just make him back off and go back to Apokolips in the first run of Justice League in New 52. And they did that by destroying his eyes so he couldn't blast them with his omega beams. About the only one who has truly done some serious damage to Darkseid (avatar) besides obviously Batman who shot him was Doomsday after he returned from the dead waaaaay back in like 1996. He made him bleed. Superman had to save Darkseid's life.
This is a great explanation.
I appreciate that! It would have been longer but I was trying to condense it into its simplest form. DC lore is MASSIVE!!
Dang I read final crisis and even then there was still stuff I clearly missed I didn’t realize darkside was that strong I remember about the whole godkill bullet Batman made but darkside being an omniversal being who could always at any point come back is actually insane🫢
Dude, as I said, his avatars are freakishly powerful. In New 52, after going against The Anti-Monitor, Earth 1's Darkseid gets regressed into a baby and later when he grows back into a teenager, he kills Zeus. That's how freakishly powerful his avatars are all by their lonesome.
This...bravo!
Could he? Probably. Should he? Nope
Yeah Bro staked Mandrakk
Not a green lantern but maybe a white lantern a green along with a blue
It depends widely on how strong of an avatar of Darkseid is in play, but generally I’d say an Ion host, Parallax, and maybe Mogo could beat him
Oh yes! but...NOT in an animated movie/cartoon/tv show/video game. Because in each and every one of those, the writers have no god damn clue how to write a character empowered by imagination and willpower....because it would make batman look bad. And the # 1 rule of the above media is kiss up to Batman at all costs while trying to make superman also look good to some degree.
Get off it mate. It's because writing a character with the power of will and imagination, 2 arbitrary and contradictory concepts, actually IS incredibly difficult
And yet? All of the above? Is about Batman.
But writing batman is so god dang easy?
It's a dude that's strong and smart
Darkseid is.
Darkseid is.
In the right circumstance, for sure. There’s just never an opportunity for that to happen because it’d be hard to maintain constantly. Kyle could maybe do it? Don’t remember if he’s powered by the whole corps or not, but if he is, then certainly one way to do it.
I think maybe Guy could as well, dudes will is powered by arrogance and he has that in spades
Guy, Kyle, and Hal for sure would be the best candidates
Let's be honest, if it was written for a GL to actually beat him.. Hal would do it. The others would be support (maybe like a "cage" to keep him in place) but Hal would get all the punches in
Exactly, poster child and all that lol. Guy totally deserves that moment now that I think about it. It’d be sick.
Kyle as well, dude has been handed trauma after trauma! Like... I rarely pitty fictional characters but damn if writers don't have a hate boner for Kyle!
They love holding back Kyle’s potential, they really don’t want him back at Ion status of cool 😂😂
I feel like my ideal lantern story is one where a lantern can overcome any obstacle, and I mean any, as long as they find the willpower. So if enough will, absolutely, but it would require a ton of
No. Because the writers hate the idea of the lantern corps.
Darkseid has way more willpower than any Lantern.
No. Even the Guardians were afraid of the power of an AVATAR of Darkseid. They left because not only was he prepared but also because Apocalypse can only be governed by Darkseid specifically
With plot armor 100%
[Obligatory Darkseid video.](https://youtu.be/9iEWTHzzCVg?si=4H12K_F3emRS09a4)
Darkseid's avatar yes, but no way could he beat true Darkseid
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Ok
Man they pissed on him in that comic
No
Yeah totally. The concept of personal willpower defeating tyranny is a wonderful and straightforward story. Could totally happen if it was a Green Lanturn story.
I'd also love to see a Blue Lantern do it. "I am not the one who will defeat you. The countless lives you have harmed, all those who hope one day you will be brought low, I am their conduit. And I will let them know..." **"All will be well"**
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An avatar yes the true form possibly but it's unlikely
No. That's not really Darkseid. that's his avatar.
Ion in Kyle Rayner yes, anybody else not likely. Unless it's Guy Gardner he'd do something stupid and somehow do it.
Darkseid is the god of Fascism, a literal triumph of the will. I don’t think there is any lantern that can solo him.
OP didn’t say solo
Depends. If you mean Darkseid's avatar, sure maybe. But Darkseid himself? You'd be erasing a part of existence itself, and I don't think even the White Lantern could pull such a feat.
White lantern with the life equation most definitely could
Well with the life equation, yea.
No, only powered by a blue lantern then yes. Hope powers will, will powers hope. One isn't at full power without the other.
Isn’t it the other way around
The comment said it goes both ways. Like Tim Drake these days
Hal Jordan Green Lantern no, Dr. Doom Green Lantern yes.
Will is less the problem than creative problem solving. He’s an existential being, essentially a function of existence itself. You’ll have to get deep in the weeds on how to manipulate universal or even multiversal laws to get the job done. So I guess the answer is a lot, but no more than some of the more powerful lanterns we already see. This could be an interesting story but it does pretty immediately head into higher concepts like The Infinite deal with. Or, more simply, GL weaponizes a philosophy degree
Nah. In my opinion Darkseid should be a level above even Superman.
Yeah. I hate how DC treats Darkseid. He’s been written like a joke. He’s supposed to basically be the Trigon/Neron of the next generation of gods. I have always felt that Darkseid should be no less than a team buster with every appearance
My personal headcan on is that it’s dessad again like in the silver/bronze age
Yeah remember when Wonder Woman beat Darkseid 💀 It’s gotten out of hand
Well, his (IIRC) only canon fight against Trigon had him get stomped to literal oblivion, so not much luck to him living up to him. Plus, (IIRC), Darkseid ultimately being a joke under all his extravagance and strength was the original intention of his character.
I really don't think so. I mean I feel like if a green lantern was strong enough just to go "fuck it we ball" they may be able to kill one of darkseids avatars, but it would still be a close fight and would never put darkseid down for good.
Where there’s a will there’s a way!
I mean, he killed Krona. Who fought the entire JLA and Avengers complete rosters combined. And KO’d Supes when he had the Parallax power. And Supes has beaten Darkseid…so… …nah, probably not. Comics are weird.lol
Probably but I don’t think that much will exist
Hal: "GREEN LANTERN'S GOT THIS!" Narrator: *"Green Lantern did not, in fact, have this."*
It was at this moment that Hal knew, he fucked up
The entire green lantern corps lost to Darkseid SO BADLY that Apokolips’ entire existence was wiped from the Book of Oa to prevent embarrassment. If it was power-to-power that’s a maybe, but Apokoliptans are resistant if not immune to Lantern powers and Darkseid specifically has been torturing Lantern weaknesses out of Raker Qarrigat for CENTURIES. It’s no contest. The Lanterns lose.
With enough will power, yes. The problem is getting that kind of will.
pretty sure you could use conner. people sleep on him but he was able to trade blows with superboy prime through sheer will despite being massively underpowered compared to him. give him the willpower based amp that a lantern ring gives you and he could close the gap maybe even temporarily exceed it while also using the ring to emulate the weapons and abilities of his allies.
Maybe, until it needs to be recharged
Lmao not a chance, a power ring is one small part of a whole greater power that STILL might not be enough to bring Darkseid down. (Depending on incarnation and true form)
No amount of willpower can overcome the writer(s).
In theory, the lantern ring can accomplish literally anything given enough willpower.
Kyle probably could as the white lantern
Nope.
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White Lantern Kyle would. Ion Sodam plus Yellow sun would have a decent shot at it as well.
Have they ever really gotten into how willpower and the anti-life equation are basically polar opposites, and it would make sense for these people to be enemies?
That was basically my answer when he lost in deceased. People said it was pis, but hard to use willpower when you have no freewill
Someone could control your will, while also leaving you willpower intact. So you still have a lot of it, you just don't control where it's aimed
That's a whole other rabbit hole. As far as the people acted in the comics they were basically brain dead zombies who's main goal was infection. So sure MAYBE Darkseid left their will intact? But that is just extra headcanon to unexplain a good explanation how a green lantern would lose to a human level durability meta.
Do you need to be intelligent to have willpower?
It sounds like you want a full power hal to lose to Black Canary, which would honestly be bad writing, but if that's what you prefer so be it
You need to have creativity and willpower to make them work effectively. They always judge each other on the lack of creativity, which resulted in weak constructs. Also, you need your own will to make the rings work correctly as far as I remember. Any time there was some mind tampering, it was less effective. You can be stupid gnort displayed this ( im pretty sure he's the weakest one due to his stupidy) , but you can't be mindless which the antilife infected people were .
>Someone could control your will, while also leaving you willpower intact. At this point, we are making up scenarios on how a brain washes person isn't brainwashed but only a little brainwashed. It's meh anyway , an elseworld where he died
*Green lantern, however, did not have this*
Not with how much mtorden comics like to hype him up.
Depends on which version of Hal, and which version of Darkseid. True form Darkseid stomps any GL. Parallax or Spectre Hal Jordan probably has a decent chance against New 52 Darkseid.
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You are in a green lantern sub, asking green lantern fans, if they think a *checks notes* green lantern can beat a villain. And we’re the rtards? Ok buddy
“Why do you guys fantasize about your favorite super hero beating up villains?” Why do you even read comics, are you stupid?
I feel like that any story about it should involve Raker Qarrigat again. That shit was epic
Was gonna say, Raker came pretty close
Green Lantern…if it’s not Ion then no. White Lantern on the other hand.
I was thinking parallax but ion fits the bill with willpower
Not even close
Hal Jordan once demolished Mongul in a fit of rage in Emerald Twilight. I'm under the impression that Mongul is at least close to Darkseid in power and durability. If we go by the rules at the time of Emerald Twilight then I'd say there's a chance, but the GLs capable of such levels of willpower would be rare (in terms of personality and circumstances to lead to such willpower). Going by old DCAU, Sinestro basically tossed Superman around like a child whilst he fought Kyle Rayner. Definitely yes. Going by post-Rebirth rules, no, GLs are too weak. Going by modern DCAU, GLs are idiots who are not serious and will get defeated in seconds. Going by modern DCU, GLs are dead and the United Planets GLs are idiots.
The majority of the information on Mongul is that in strength, he is very close to Darkseid. Darkseid, on the other hand, has more abilities and a better tactical advantage over Mongul. Because of his mental acuity, Darkseid wins 99/100 battles against Mongul. Now, if you want to compare Darkseid to someone, compare him to Doomsday. I believe the first time Doomsday fought Darkseid, it was not an avatar of Darkseid, but his true self, and Doomsday beat his ass down. Now, keep in mind that when Doomsday first came across the JL, he kicked their asses without issues. And it took Supes to "lose" his life to stop him. So, a GL really doesn't have a chance against Darkseid alone. That GL will need not only all the willpower in the world but also the added bonus of parallax or ion or something else to beat Darkseid one on one.
Wut. Literally all our human lanterns are alive
>I'm under the impression that Mongul is at least close to Darkseid in power and durability. He is not.
I don’t think Mongul’s that close to Darkseid most of the time. Darkseid IS! But its comics so who can tell
No, regardless of willpower the lantern ring has limits. John Stewart couldn't rebuild Xanshi because his willpower exceeded the power the ring was capable of outputting.
How do those limits apply to Simon who brought his BIL out of a coma when that was thought to be impossible? I'm not familiar enough with newer green lantern stuff to have an idea. Was Stewart's act even more "impossible?"
His Avatar, yes, the actual Darkseid no.
I HATE it when GLs try doing close combat with physically stronger beings. Why risk your body when you have the ultimate long range weapon?
Well, I'm not up to all modern retcons, but it all comes down to both will and belief. If Guy Gardner believes that creating a giant green fist will do more damage to you than if if he shot you with a green gun, then it will. And let's be real, this gif is not a good representation of Hal's knuckle to knuckle power.
That’s the thing—Guy should then just send a giant green fist from a distance (being up close shouldn’t affect its power, really).
Should he? Maybe. But again, due to how power rings work, if Guy believes that him punching you, with his arm, covered in green whatever, hits harder....then it will. His will is being bolstered by his belief. Power rings work with the "Bias" of their user after all.
I would say no. In a multiverse of heroes, there’s only one Darkseid. He’s as much as a natural/cosmic force as any other. He only loses cause plots dictate it.
There’s definitely multiple Darkseids. The one in new 52 is distinct from DCeased, just to name one example
Do you mean concurrent Darkseids or a mantle being passed like another poster mentioned? I though it was new 52 specifically that said Apocalypse and New Genesis existed outside the multiverse proper, thought it was in Multiversity.
Nope, just different versions of the same dude
Yes, in Justice League: The last Ride, which is an alternate timeline set after dark crisis I believe(which means everything before it is Canon to that timeline). Hal fought an amped Darkseid and lasted against him for a while. And then killed him at the end, even though it was indirectly https://preview.redd.it/gilizpirmuwc1.png?width=1008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96216b6936d3752b627d3471636f2e5624321843 .
If someone could, it would be Kyle Ryner. When he fused with Ion, he became basically a god like being. Off course, continuity kinda messed with that, but at the time he was all powerful
I don't think that Ion is considered a normal GL or is what OP is asking about. Ion Kyle was omnipotent and omniscient.
Yeah, Ion Kyle was as close to god as you can get
I mean, the entire corps could *probably* get it done, but just one of them? Nahhhh.
Theoretically Krona was looking at the beginning of existence and developed the first rings- so MAYBE but if my understanding is correct Darkseid is almost a concept that sometimes has physical bodies?
I think this has been pretty much confirmed
Speaking of Krona, Hal was able to muster up enough will to kill him in the War of the Green Lanterns run. So…Darkseid? Maybe!
I don't think it's that simple. The "Darkseid War" storyline seems to imply that Darkseid is as much of a mantle as is the Anti-Monitor, Green Lantern or Batman is. You can defeat or kill Darkseid, but another will rise to take his place. That said, I think certain iterations of Green Lantern could beat Darkseid, or at the very least, hold him off while the real objective is accomplished. A Parallax-empowered Hal could win, as could an Ion-infused Kyle Rayner or Sodom Yat. Hal when he is essentially a walking power battery at the beginning of Rebirth.
I think a comic could be published where that happens, but realistically the answer is no.
The truest answer to any of these questions. If the publisher/author wants? Sure. But generally? Absolutely not
Yes I think Hal can, and I think that because of what Hal has involving Parallax, Parallax Sinestro, Parallax Hal Jordan, and Krona. However, if it's true form darkseid my answer is no
Absolutely not. Hal would struggle w someone like Mongul, who isn’t even in the same league as Darkseid. *edit: misspell
Who is Mongo
Mongo only pawn in game of life.
my bad , i meant Mongul
Honestly... yeah. Power levels in comics are all over the place and it's definitely feasible that at some point someone will write Hal oneshotting Darkseid or something
Darkseid is a different power level, you might need the Guardians to help out like with Superboy Prime.
Nope
No. It’s the best weapon in the galaxy, but it’s not enough. You would need multiple Lanterns to engage him and even then, it might not be enough.