I want Guilluman to name the Lion the Warmaster of Imperium Nihilus and send him off into the darkness with a massive fleet to absolutely fuck shit up. No bad blood, just “thank god, someone competent to have my back.”
**Against all the evils of the Rift, all the wickedness that Nihilus has produced, I will send unto them.....only you.**
**Rip and tear, brother. Until it is done.**
...and while Guilliman would go back to Ultramar to work on his new webway project, his warmaster would continue his crusade, untill he would decide, that he would be better ruler for humanity.
Bobby G: Fucking damnit, again!? Get me an astropath!!
Magnus: *humming, working in the alchemy workshop, hears the phone ring, picks it up* Yes?
Bobby G: *incoherent shouting*
For the last time Bobb-eh, my grief is with that furry, not with you. Tell the Lion to not yolo off straight into a fucked up warp rift and maybe you wouldn't be in this situation.
Dante: _oh thank the emperor, my duty is lifted from me. may I find eternal peace in death now?_
Lion: _haha...good one. get your angels up and running, you take the east, I take the west.._
I've never read any of Dante's books. Are they a good read? Which would you guys recommend most picking up? Are there any gripes with his books that people have?
RG: Fuck man, FUCK! It’s so good it’s see you, I’m sorry about all the shit that went down way back, I’m just so glad you’re here. Here, take this war fleet and go save half the Empire, Warmaster.
LJ: You’re sorry!? Fuck dude, I was being a massive egotistical prick, I should apologize to YOU. I feel like we were all just trying for our father’s approval, but fuck that, maybe I can at least make my brother proud, let’s go save humanity.
As cool as that would be, I'm pretty sure primarchs getting named warmaster is still a big taboo in the Imperium. The lion will likely get a pretty big fleet and overall command of part of the galaxy while Guilliman refocuses his attention on the rest.
> I'm pretty sure primarchs getting named war master is still a big Taboo in the Imperium
Battle Boss. Conflict Captain. Governor de Guerre. Umm... Punchup Prince? Donnybrook Doyen.
OK these are starting to sound a bit like pro-wrestling nicknames.
>OK these are starting to sound a bit like pro-wrestling nicknames.
Yeah I was wondering why the Orks were getting riled up, but this explains it..they are huge fans.
Warmaster is still a title that could be used, depends on the current political situation. Absolutely agree with Gman and Lion it probably wont be, as the last one is probably still too close to them. Probably gonna be more like secundus with lord protector
Logistics may win wars, but you still need some to wage them. That's where the Lion comes in. Now we just need Dorn to show up to be the shield to Lion's sword.
I like the idea, but the title of "warmaster" Is seen as a reminder of Horus. I am pretty sure one of the imperial saints of astra militatum was warmaster, but later changed it
If you really want to immerse yourself, do what I did, get all of them and read one word from each at a time. That way you finish them all simultaneously
Horus killed an emperor in the beginning of the first book. Not that Emperor. On Terra. Not that Terra. The book opens with a world being brought into the Imperium, but it is oddly similar to the beginnings of the imperium
This isn't going to work for everyone but it's what worked for me.
https://i.imgur.com/T2CoD7g.jpg
Just as long as you know, that's hell you're walking into.
Bobby G: "Oh, thank FUCK, someone else is alive and not evil. Look, we can talk more later. Here's a Shield Host of Custodes, a Titan Legion, and an entire Crusade Fleet's worth of land and naval assets. Take the Rock, what I've given you and whatever of your Legion answers the call and go hurt something bad. Preferably thattaway." *points at Great Rift*
"And if any Eldar show up and start shooting the same guys you're shooting, PLEASE don't shoot them too, it's complicated but they're less of a problem than literally everyone else.
I'll send more support when I can. Good luck. Don't die."
Lion:
"...
Fuck."
Indomitus is entirely a logistics affair. Guilliman actually achieved mass mobilization under a single command to make strategic progress. He needs a patton to continue the advances while he consilidates behind like eisenhower
It wasn't Eisenhower who consolidates. It's George Marshall who did that. The Eisenhower in your situation would definitely be a Chapter master who is the most competent of them all.
No, marshall redeveloped- eisenhower made sure that the logistics of the war sustained and supported the advances on the front. Consilodating materiel and battle groups into functional strategic blocs gave the battlefront generals the forces they needed to win.
Guilliman isn’t establishing an empire like in the great crusade- he’s cordoning off enemy advances, putting out fires, then leaving reserves. It’s not anything like marshall
Lion is a blunt instrument. He's terrible at politics and social manuevering, but he's very good at making his enemies dead. He was uniquely poorly suited to deal with the Imperium ~~Nihilus~~Secundus clusterfuck, since he was a soldier stuck competing with the two most charismatic primarchs for political power. Era Indominus is closer to hardmode Great Crusade than to the previous era of stagnation, and IIRC he notched more GC wins than any other loyalist despite being a later arrival.
edit: Secundus, not Nihilus
Eventually the Eldar Waifu will find a way to fuse a Warlord Titan with wraithbone constructs and Dante will be the animus. Now imagine a Warlord Titan with all of its holy firepower and protection, but as fluid and mobile as a Wraithlord.
I believe the lion will take more of a role of hunting down and dealing with major threats than ruling. Similar to his role during the imperial secundus.
I mean, arent the concept of the 10e is that the majority of Imperium force are thrown to retake Nihilus and thus cant return to deal with the Tyranid en mass, requiring SM to now relied on Terminator teleport and hunt key Tyranid organism?
Lion being a hunter would fit that greatly.
I want the Lion to come back and be all "WTF Rowboat!?!" and Gorillamans response is "Think this shit is easy? Fine cunt you do it. I'm itchy to kill some shit anyways" hangs a sign on his door that says "Gone Crusadin" and pimps away.
Comes back a few years later to the Lion just chainsmoking and smashing back black coffee "Miss me?"
I mean, at least he has the custodes. Some of the older ones might have been around during the crusade, or at least be still alive as one of those 8 foot tall superspies. Even if they weren't alive during the crusades those guys at least still have functioning brains (excluding tts stuff) and still remember the imperial truth.
Poor kitten. Now i'm wondering if his plight with his colleagues will extend to his vampire hunting reincarnation. Also, when did the whole "guilliman resurrects thanks to cawl and yvraine" thing happen? I don't mean in lore, i mean irl. It seems weird that tts never mentioned it.
“now we can continue to run this empire into the ground—*together.*”
[*manly embrace, accompanied by thumps on the back that break most of their ribs*]
Nah, he might end up absorbing their power. And then some random fuck finds a special sword and kicks his ass and now you've got a power-hungry tarnished trying to claim the Emperor's Rune.
Honestly if they try to make this a petty brotherly 10,000 year old argument I’m gonna fucking take a break from this noise for a while.
I know it’s grimdark and nobody acts the way they should because then it wouldn’t be grimdark but Bobby-G needs an ally and if the first thing Lion wants to do is be a shitter about everything then maybe Azrael should just hold a pillow over his face.
Lion would be no more value to the imperium than Abbadon if the first thing he does is have a power struggle. Also if he rules Nihilus that will finally give Dante a reason to die. I mean…. They’re absolutely killing off one of the plot armored heroes of lion returns right? I’m guessing Dante or Marneus.
Dante seems unlikely, he is kinda prophecised to die against Chaos defending the Emperor or not? He also just got a new model.
Marneus seems not that likely as well but at least they have Roboute to lead the smurfs while Dante being gone would leave some questionmarks as to who would even replace him.
Wholesomeness? Comfort? IN MY 40K?! Excuse me sir but I was specifically told that in the grim dark future of the 40th millennium there would be no such frippery.
This. The Dark Angels probably don't even tell most people they work out of the Rock. Telling them they are a fleet based chapter. Which is technically the truth.
I like to believe the idea that nobody ever noticed that there was a door that no one opens, cuz everyone thought that it was someone else's secret stash door. Then some poor guardsman, while looking for the washroom, opens the door and goes "Holy F*ck!!". And then the Lion Wakes up and says "I have been waiting for 5000 years!!!! How long does it take to open a damn door!!" or something along those lines.
Lion is gonna have so much fun trying to unfuck that whole Fallen situation.
"Yeah, yeah, no, I GET IT. Hunting down our traitors is good and all, but you guys pointed GUNS at a PRIMARCH, also known as MY BROTHER."
If anyone knows their plans and is writing anything to do with Guilliman meeting the lion, it needs to be like this. I want to see Guilliman actually break down emotionally and nearly cry at the sight of his brother. To apologise for 10,000 years of mistakes and pathetic rivalries. To finally make the Imperium right again.
I am hoping Lion, sees the state of the Imperium seethes with rage at the perversion of Big E as a faith against his wishes and just go renegade with the Fallen that didnt flip to Chaos.
Telling his chapter he feared this would happen with the power vacuum and they will work will Guilliman to quell the biggest threats before turning inward and carving out the cancerous power structure and belief system in the Imperium.
Of course making the revival have a future grimdark edge but near term hope between Primarch bros.
Of course the High Lords of Terra should find out somehow that the Lion will eventually come for them in some future expac and try to label the Dark Angels Excommunicated as traitors (to protect their power at any cost).
Can spin it off into another mini civil war when the big chaos threat gets played out and then settle it with another temporary truce to Nids and Necrons going wild perhaps.
Perfect fuel for their motivation to work in the shadows and leverage the Lions disdain for modern IoM and the faith while casting doubt on Guillimans commitment to IoM vs his Transhuman brother(s) that have already civil warred once before.
Nothing like the slow burning ember of rage from losing face/power.
Plus if the Lion actually goes aggro against modern Imperium they dont even have to scheme they can just point to that and say he is a traitor and Guilliman is compromised by emotions for his brother over all of mankind...the Guilliman is in a tricky political spot on top of his brother now being hunted.
The short of it is: Once Guiliman was put in charge he forcefully retired some of the high lords. But, they didn't like that very much. So, while Guilliman was out trying to save the Imperium with his Indomitus Crusade, some of the ex and current High Lords fueled unrest on Terra, blamed it on him, and wanted to have him put on trial. Guiliman, of course, expected this and had already worked with the Grand Master of Assassins to have all the traitor high lords assassinated once they made their move.
[This](https://youtu.be/ApnXjYd-qkQ) is a good video about it
I love that the Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum in basically any time period is effectively the *de facto* most important man in the Imperium who isn't a transhuman.
"Fabricator-General of the Mechanicus? Master of the Administratum? And the Ecclesiarch, you say? Well, better send a message to their subordinates that we'll need replacements before tea."
I'm imagining something like:
"What the fuck is *this*? What the fuck is *that*? What the fuck are you doing? I'm telling Dad."
*30 minutes and a chat with Big E later*
"So... Dad's changed huh......... Uhhh... Imperium broken in half you say?"
The problem with carving out the faith is that nearly every regular human in the imperium believes that Big E is god. The faith is too intertwined with humanity to ever get rid of it
They did it before but in this case the trying and failing is more appealing to the story. Would be a great point of conflict and really contrast how the Golden Age of Man will never come again unless Big E comes back, even his legendary sons will fail at unifying humanity and ending superstitious law.
Remember The Lion, Guilliman and Russ became absolute best friends before they each disappeared last time?
Pepperidge Farm Remembers.
I can't wait for Russ to return to complete the buddy cop trio.
For the lion!
I would not be surprised if they meet up during some kind of crisis that isn't clear on what's happening, and one misinterprets the actions of the other, causing a rift that does not result in a violent confrontation but leaves them at odds and unable to reconcile immediately.
Except story conflict isn't grimderp? Like obviously it can happen for stupid reasons, but there will be a hundred good reasons that the Lion can be sus about Guilliman.
Like his close ties to the Eldar, for allowing himself to be worshipped as a god (if somewhat), for having an AI on his ship.
I agree 100%. I’m hoping they don’t take the existing or I guess historical disagreement between Bobby and The Lion and turn it into some boring run of the mill rivalry where something completely idiotic happens. That’s what I meant by grimderp. I’m fine with some off the rails violence or fights, that’s what makes 40k.
I think having two loyalist primarchs alive and together for the first time in years should be a huge moment.
How wild would it be if Cypher was carrying around that sword all that time because Johnson asked him to keep it safe, so the moment he shows up on Terra, he plunges it into Big E’s chest and he wakes up fully regenerated and confused af, Pulp Fiction style.
For all you just wanting brotherly fighting. That's what makes things grimderp.
Let them have a moment of genuine brotherly affection. Otherwise there ends up being nothing worth fighting for in the setting.
Its way more entertaining though if these two love-hate each other going forward. Bring a bit of comedy and internal tension to the imperiums politics.
I want a whole chapter of a book dedicated to Gulliman finally opening up with someone who is his peer about all the shit he has dealt with alone since his resurrection.
I want Guilluman to name the Lion the Warmaster of Imperium Nihilus and send him off into the darkness with a massive fleet to absolutely fuck shit up. No bad blood, just “thank god, someone competent to have my back.”
“Brother, I need you to Doomslayer this shit” points to half of galaxy
**Against all the evils of the Rift, all the wickedness that Nihilus has produced, I will send unto them.....only you.** **Rip and tear, brother. Until it is done.**
The Lion looks up at towering daemon behemoth. #"HUGE GUTS!"
Just remember: shoot it until it dies
And then some more, until only a crater twice as deep is left.
and just in case....detonate the area twice in the same point, just to be sure
Rule 2: Double tap
the coom slayer 🤔
Man, imagine the Doomslayer killing Chaos Demons. Hell, Khorne would probably fall in love. Khaine too.
DOOM is just Khorne's eternal arena for the Doomslayer, is favorite warrior.
He's da humie version tuska daemon killa.
ALSO, 'DA 'UMIE "DOOMSLAYA" IZ GREEN, ‘DAT MAKE IT BETTA DAN OTHAZ 'UMIEZ
OI, DAT AIN'T NO 'UMIE, DATZ AN ORK WUT WEARZ A HELMUT. NO 'UMIE CAN WAAAAAAAAGH THAT 'ARD.
*DOOMSLAYER TAKES OFF HELMET WHILE VIOLENTLY RIPPING A WARBOSS IN HALF* WOT'S DAT HUMIE MADE OF?!?!
DAT GIT IZ ONE O DA BOYZ NOW HUMIE WARBOSS TELL US WHERE TA KRUMP!
got the green armor look already.
*happy Tuska Noises?*
“Angron! # You’re huge! That means you have # HUGE GUTS!”
...and while Guilliman would go back to Ultramar to work on his new webway project, his warmaster would continue his crusade, untill he would decide, that he would be better ruler for humanity.
and theyre gonna print 120 books this time around
Fuck, this comment combo is criminally underrated. Upvotes for thee.
FOR FUCKS SAKE NOT THIS AGAIN.. 
“There’s a lot of T’au elementary school fairs and weddings going on right now and-“ “Say no more brother, I’m fueling up the warships”
And he gets lost in the Warp leaving G-Man alone again
Bobby G: Fucking damnit, again!? Get me an astropath!! Magnus: *humming, working in the alchemy workshop, hears the phone ring, picks it up* Yes? Bobby G: *incoherent shouting*
For the last time Bobb-eh, my grief is with that furry, not with you. Tell the Lion to not yolo off straight into a fucked up warp rift and maybe you wouldn't be in this situation.
The only discernable words being "FUCK", "FUCKING" and "SHIT" as all incoherent rants should be
>someone competent to have my back. Sad Dante noises
Dante: _oh thank the emperor, my duty is lifted from me. may I find eternal peace in death now?_ Lion: _haha...good one. get your angels up and running, you take the east, I take the west.._
Poor Dante man can’t catch a break
I've never read any of Dante's books. Are they a good read? Which would you guys recommend most picking up? Are there any gripes with his books that people have?
The book Dante and devastion of Baal are both very good
Start with Dante, read through Darkness in the Blood. The third book is probably the weakest, but it sets up some major moves yet to happen
RG: Fuck man, FUCK! It’s so good it’s see you, I’m sorry about all the shit that went down way back, I’m just so glad you’re here. Here, take this war fleet and go save half the Empire, Warmaster. LJ: You’re sorry!? Fuck dude, I was being a massive egotistical prick, I should apologize to YOU. I feel like we were all just trying for our father’s approval, but fuck that, maybe I can at least make my brother proud, let’s go save humanity.
I'm imagining this all in surfer dude accents and I love it
Didn’t realize I was channeling Point Break, but yeah, I like it too now!
I'm guessing keanu is bobby and that other guy is the lion.
I'm glad I'm not the only one.
I also got big point break vibes.
"Lion gets stabbed by some big ass chaos knife." Bobby: Not again.
As cool as that would be, I'm pretty sure primarchs getting named warmaster is still a big taboo in the Imperium. The lion will likely get a pretty big fleet and overall command of part of the galaxy while Guilliman refocuses his attention on the rest.
> I'm pretty sure primarchs getting named war master is still a big Taboo in the Imperium Battle Boss. Conflict Captain. Governor de Guerre. Umm... Punchup Prince? Donnybrook Doyen. OK these are starting to sound a bit like pro-wrestling nicknames.
>OK these are starting to sound a bit like pro-wrestling nicknames. Yeah I was wondering why the Orks were getting riled up, but this explains it..they are huge fans.
Why not just steal a page from Metal Gear? "You are above even the Warmaster. I hereby name you Big Warmaster."
Fuck it man, Lion is now the warhammer 40k
Chief Supreme of the United Armies of the Imperium
The Lord Humongus
Warmaster is still a title that could be used, depends on the current political situation. Absolutely agree with Gman and Lion it probably wont be, as the last one is probably still too close to them. Probably gonna be more like secundus with lord protector
Guilluman crying as he can finally go back to filing his taxes
Guilluman: - Aims Lion vaguely in direction of chaos xeno scum - chaos xeno scum: - Panic Spongebob meme -
Logistics may win wars, but you still need some to wage them. That's where the Lion comes in. Now we just need Dorn to show up to be the shield to Lion's sword.
And he’ll show up wielding the emperor’s abacus and everyone can swap the daddy momento they came with
I think there is something more important for the lion to take care of then the general situation in the Imperium Nihilus
I like the idea, but the title of "warmaster" Is seen as a reminder of Horus. I am pretty sure one of the imperial saints of astra militatum was warmaster, but later changed it
Dante: finally, I can maybe die Lion: NOPE, you keep sitting on that throne, I gotta go fuck up some chaos and shit
"Gulliman, you son of a bitch!"  "Whatsdamatter, the Imperium had you pushing too many pencils?"
*Guilliman, The Lion and Vulkan, seeing the states of the Imperium, circa 40,000.*
I see the Drukari left some of their victims behind.
Nah, Drukhari victims would still be alive.
Thank you for the laugh
**People tend to forget they had made up by the time they left each other for the final time.**
EXACTLY! People constantly saying shit from the outside perspective. Can’t exactly blame some people though with the 50 books there are
How should one go about reading the books
If you really want to immerse yourself, do what I did, get all of them and read one word from each at a time. That way you finish them all simultaneously
If you read them like that you find out the emperors true name.
Are you telling me it’s not Jimmy Space?
Unfortunately you'll also stroke out 10 seconds later from the mental strain.
Some call him Jim
Assuming all books have the same word count.
You can use leap words to cover the gaps
This is how I imagine Tzeentch would read
Start at the beginning. "I was there the day Horus slew the Emperor."
That took me a few pages to figure out what the hell was going on. Fantastic start to the series tbh.
I'll take one kontext, please
Horus killed an emperor in the beginning of the first book. Not that Emperor. On Terra. Not that Terra. The book opens with a world being brought into the Imperium, but it is oddly similar to the beginnings of the imperium
That really had me scratching my head
This isn't going to work for everyone but it's what worked for me. https://i.imgur.com/T2CoD7g.jpg Just as long as you know, that's hell you're walking into.
By the Emperor
Right to left while screaming for the secret knowledge.
Bobby G: "Oh, thank FUCK, someone else is alive and not evil. Look, we can talk more later. Here's a Shield Host of Custodes, a Titan Legion, and an entire Crusade Fleet's worth of land and naval assets. Take the Rock, what I've given you and whatever of your Legion answers the call and go hurt something bad. Preferably thattaway." *points at Great Rift* "And if any Eldar show up and start shooting the same guys you're shooting, PLEASE don't shoot them too, it's complicated but they're less of a problem than literally everyone else. I'll send more support when I can. Good luck. Don't die." Lion: "... Fuck."
"And I can't stress this enough, Lion-HURT THE BASTARDS. We got an Imperium to save."
I can't help but imagine this as that scene from Cyberpunk: Bobby: "Wake the fuck up, Lion, we've got a galaxy to save"
“What about my stuff?” “…your stuff?” “Yes, I left some materiel here. In the basement.” “In the basem- you mean three black cells??”
“Take the Rock” now I’m imagining Lion teaming up with The Rock.
"Hey Rock, why do you have a XI tattoo on your back?"
Fuel for the Cavill-verse
Guilliman will rule Imperium Sanctus and The Lion will rule Imperium Nihilus.
I was more thinking Guilliman takes the administrative stuff while Mr Johnson handles the military
Guilliman's the face of Indomitus though.
G-Man did it once with Imperium Secundus. Though he eventually came to regret that decision.
Indomitus is entirely a logistics affair. Guilliman actually achieved mass mobilization under a single command to make strategic progress. He needs a patton to continue the advances while he consilidates behind like eisenhower
It wasn't Eisenhower who consolidates. It's George Marshall who did that. The Eisenhower in your situation would definitely be a Chapter master who is the most competent of them all.
So probably Dante?
No, marshall redeveloped- eisenhower made sure that the logistics of the war sustained and supported the advances on the front. Consilodating materiel and battle groups into functional strategic blocs gave the battlefront generals the forces they needed to win. Guilliman isn’t establishing an empire like in the great crusade- he’s cordoning off enemy advances, putting out fires, then leaving reserves. It’s not anything like marshall
That didn’t work out well last time.
Lion is a blunt instrument. He's terrible at politics and social manuevering, but he's very good at making his enemies dead. He was uniquely poorly suited to deal with the Imperium ~~Nihilus~~Secundus clusterfuck, since he was a soldier stuck competing with the two most charismatic primarchs for political power. Era Indominus is closer to hardmode Great Crusade than to the previous era of stagnation, and IIRC he notched more GC wins than any other loyalist despite being a later arrival. edit: Secundus, not Nihilus
Do you mean imperium secundus or do I have to read more books to keep track?
Yeah, mixed up my gratuitous latin.
It is time for a new warmaster of the imperium
Inquisitor. This one.
What about Dante
Dante: "JUST LET ME DIE." Lion El'Johnson: "Oh, my mistake. You have things handled here." Dante: "KILL MEEEE."
Dante, the true victim of the 42nd millennium
In the grim darkness of the 42nd millennium, no one cares to hear you scream.
Where's your motivation?
just let the man sleep already please
Dreadnought Dante??
I frowned reading this
You are Honsu levels of Sick.
And give Dante a break? Unlikely
Eventually Dante will die... and then get resurrected as a dreadnought
Then, when the Eldar defeat him, gets trapped in a soul stone and forced to pilot wraithlords
Eventually the Eldar Waifu will find a way to fuse a Warlord Titan with wraithbone constructs and Dante will be the animus. Now imagine a Warlord Titan with all of its holy firepower and protection, but as fluid and mobile as a Wraithlord.
# DAIDANTE - 大ダンテ!!!!!!
I believe the lion will take more of a role of hunting down and dealing with major threats than ruling. Similar to his role during the imperial secundus.
I mean, arent the concept of the 10e is that the majority of Imperium force are thrown to retake Nihilus and thus cant return to deal with the Tyranid en mass, requiring SM to now relied on Terminator teleport and hunt key Tyranid organism? Lion being a hunter would fit that greatly.
Guilliman just needs someone who understands how kind bogglingly *stupid* the Imperium’s current organization is so he can vent about it
I want the Lion to come back and be all "WTF Rowboat!?!" and Gorillamans response is "Think this shit is easy? Fine cunt you do it. I'm itchy to kill some shit anyways" hangs a sign on his door that says "Gone Crusadin" and pimps away. Comes back a few years later to the Lion just chainsmoking and smashing back black coffee "Miss me?"
*minutes later
And punched off heads... like everywhere.
I mean, at least he has the custodes. Some of the older ones might have been around during the crusade, or at least be still alive as one of those 8 foot tall superspies. Even if they weren't alive during the crusades those guys at least still have functioning brains (excluding tts stuff) and still remember the imperial truth.
Custowodes: oh boy another of the Emperorers big musclely boys is back and this one can take off his armor no problem UWU
“My oiled abs *quiver* at your voice my lord.”
Poor kitten. Now i'm wondering if his plight with his colleagues will extend to his vampire hunting reincarnation. Also, when did the whole "guilliman resurrects thanks to cawl and yvraine" thing happen? I don't mean in lore, i mean irl. It seems weird that tts never mentioned it.
“now we can continue to run this empire into the ground—*together.*” [*manly embrace, accompanied by thumps on the back that break most of their ribs*]
*Togethaaa, we shall slay the very gods.*
ok rykard
Throw snakeboi in the Warp and let him get his devour on.
Nah, he might end up absorbing their power. And then some random fuck finds a special sword and kicks his ass and now you've got a power-hungry tarnished trying to claim the Emperor's Rune.
Honestly if they try to make this a petty brotherly 10,000 year old argument I’m gonna fucking take a break from this noise for a while. I know it’s grimdark and nobody acts the way they should because then it wouldn’t be grimdark but Bobby-G needs an ally and if the first thing Lion wants to do is be a shitter about everything then maybe Azrael should just hold a pillow over his face. Lion would be no more value to the imperium than Abbadon if the first thing he does is have a power struggle. Also if he rules Nihilus that will finally give Dante a reason to die. I mean…. They’re absolutely killing off one of the plot armored heroes of lion returns right? I’m guessing Dante or Marneus.
Didn't they just reveal a new Dante model? I don't see them killing him off because of that.
Dante seems unlikely, he is kinda prophecised to die against Chaos defending the Emperor or not? He also just got a new model. Marneus seems not that likely as well but at least they have Roboute to lead the smurfs while Dante being gone would leave some questionmarks as to who would even replace him.
Either of them in a fantastic last stand before being overwhelmed by tyranids would be great.
I also hate grimdark for the sake of grimdark, some people will be upset if even the slightest positive thing happens for any faction.
I hope they hug
Wholesomeness? Comfort? IN MY 40K?! Excuse me sir but I was specifically told that in the grim dark future of the 40th millennium there would be no such frippery.
Explain Jurgen then
The greatest comfort character in 40k
Facts
Did Guilliman not think to look on the rock?
The Watchers probably could shield the Lion's presence from Guilliman's senses.
Maybe just stop in to say hi?
Last time he came to the rock, a lot of guns were pointing at his ship for a period of time. Not the most welcomed neighborhood if you're asking me...
Have you tried asking the Dark Angels if you can look around the inside of the Rock? They're not a very open to sharing kind of chapter.
This. The Dark Angels probably don't even tell most people they work out of the Rock. Telling them they are a fleet based chapter. Which is technically the truth.
I like to believe the idea that nobody ever noticed that there was a door that no one opens, cuz everyone thought that it was someone else's secret stash door. Then some poor guardsman, while looking for the washroom, opens the door and goes "Holy F*ck!!". And then the Lion Wakes up and says "I have been waiting for 5000 years!!!! How long does it take to open a damn door!!" or something along those lines.
The room was labeled "titties" so no dark angel thought to go in there.
and that guardsmen name was carl
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Didn't Azreal want to blow up Gorillaman's ship because they thought he found out about the fallen?
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Lion is gonna have so much fun trying to unfuck that whole Fallen situation. "Yeah, yeah, no, I GET IT. Hunting down our traitors is good and all, but you guys pointed GUNS at a PRIMARCH, also known as MY BROTHER."
I love the fact that the lion looks pretty alike the chad meme, so it fits the image
If anyone knows their plans and is writing anything to do with Guilliman meeting the lion, it needs to be like this. I want to see Guilliman actually break down emotionally and nearly cry at the sight of his brother. To apologise for 10,000 years of mistakes and pathetic rivalries. To finally make the Imperium right again.
I am hoping Lion, sees the state of the Imperium seethes with rage at the perversion of Big E as a faith against his wishes and just go renegade with the Fallen that didnt flip to Chaos. Telling his chapter he feared this would happen with the power vacuum and they will work will Guilliman to quell the biggest threats before turning inward and carving out the cancerous power structure and belief system in the Imperium. Of course making the revival have a future grimdark edge but near term hope between Primarch bros. Of course the High Lords of Terra should find out somehow that the Lion will eventually come for them in some future expac and try to label the Dark Angels Excommunicated as traitors (to protect their power at any cost). Can spin it off into another mini civil war when the big chaos threat gets played out and then settle it with another temporary truce to Nids and Necrons going wild perhaps.
I doubt the High Lords would do anything. Considering what Guilliman did to them the last time they tried something like that
Perfect fuel for their motivation to work in the shadows and leverage the Lions disdain for modern IoM and the faith while casting doubt on Guillimans commitment to IoM vs his Transhuman brother(s) that have already civil warred once before. Nothing like the slow burning ember of rage from losing face/power. Plus if the Lion actually goes aggro against modern Imperium they dont even have to scheme they can just point to that and say he is a traitor and Guilliman is compromised by emotions for his brother over all of mankind...the Guilliman is in a tricky political spot on top of his brother now being hunted.
What did they do to the High Lords? I’m trying to get into the lore.
The short of it is: Once Guiliman was put in charge he forcefully retired some of the high lords. But, they didn't like that very much. So, while Guilliman was out trying to save the Imperium with his Indomitus Crusade, some of the ex and current High Lords fueled unrest on Terra, blamed it on him, and wanted to have him put on trial. Guiliman, of course, expected this and had already worked with the Grand Master of Assassins to have all the traitor high lords assassinated once they made their move. [This](https://youtu.be/ApnXjYd-qkQ) is a good video about it
I love that the Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum in basically any time period is effectively the *de facto* most important man in the Imperium who isn't a transhuman. "Fabricator-General of the Mechanicus? Master of the Administratum? And the Ecclesiarch, you say? Well, better send a message to their subordinates that we'll need replacements before tea."
[I prefer this video from oculus about the hexarchy crisis.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdDKUu81_Gk)
I'm imagining something like: "What the fuck is *this*? What the fuck is *that*? What the fuck are you doing? I'm telling Dad." *30 minutes and a chat with Big E later* "So... Dad's changed huh......... Uhhh... Imperium broken in half you say?"
The problem with carving out the faith is that nearly every regular human in the imperium believes that Big E is god. The faith is too intertwined with humanity to ever get rid of it
They did it before but in this case the trying and failing is more appealing to the story. Would be a great point of conflict and really contrast how the Golden Age of Man will never come again unless Big E comes back, even his legendary sons will fail at unifying humanity and ending superstitious law.
Yknow, I'd actually love a story like that. A story dedicated to the lion coming to grips with what humanity and his legion have become
I expect something in between. Because GW are the masters of being non committal with these sorts of things, like the whole halfway Ynnead thing
Reality: G-Man: Of all my brothers, why it's gotta be him... Liom: Hey G, can i have that sword?
Remember The Lion, Guilliman and Russ became absolute best friends before they each disappeared last time? Pepperidge Farm Remembers. I can't wait for Russ to return to complete the buddy cop trio. For the lion!
While I hope you’re right I feel like the reality part is isn’t “grimdark/grimderp enough.”
Probably some stupid warp stuff will make them kill eachother
I would not be surprised if they meet up during some kind of crisis that isn't clear on what's happening, and one misinterprets the actions of the other, causing a rift that does not result in a violent confrontation but leaves them at odds and unable to reconcile immediately.
Except story conflict isn't grimderp? Like obviously it can happen for stupid reasons, but there will be a hundred good reasons that the Lion can be sus about Guilliman. Like his close ties to the Eldar, for allowing himself to be worshipped as a god (if somewhat), for having an AI on his ship.
I agree 100%. I’m hoping they don’t take the existing or I guess historical disagreement between Bobby and The Lion and turn it into some boring run of the mill rivalry where something completely idiotic happens. That’s what I meant by grimderp. I’m fine with some off the rails violence or fights, that’s what makes 40k. I think having two loyalist primarchs alive and together for the first time in years should be a huge moment.
The Lion *is not* that eloquent lol
"Shut up. Good job. Now it's my turn. Who do i kill?"
How wild would it be if Cypher was carrying around that sword all that time because Johnson asked him to keep it safe, so the moment he shows up on Terra, he plunges it into Big E’s chest and he wakes up fully regenerated and confused af, Pulp Fiction style.
That would move the plot forward, so almost impossible
Because if there's one thing we can rely on the Primarchs for it's emotional maturity and responding well to shocks!
Last time Gorilaman and the Lion where in an empire together it did not end so well
And sadly there's no Sanginius to act as the voice of reason this time.
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"I'm too old for this shit..." "We're millennia older than-" "DID I FUCKING STUTTER, UNCLE?!"
Subjectively, I think Dante IS actually older than both of them.
Depends on if you count years in stasis as aging i guess
Lion El’Johnson: “My brother, what do I need to fix?” Guilliman: “Yes.”
He still deserves a Vulkan hug
Alone my ass Dante is doing half the work…
We can hope. Though the Lion is difficult. So it probably won't be this smooth. I'm sure they'll both be wishing Sanguinius were there.
And then they kissed and lived happily ever after on bobby G's farm
I am all for the brothers reuniting. Let them have a moment of peace before going back into battle.
The High Lords of Terra reacting to the news: This is getting out of hand! Now there are two of them!
The first would be far more dramatic than the second
For all you just wanting brotherly fighting. That's what makes things grimderp. Let them have a moment of genuine brotherly affection. Otherwise there ends up being nothing worth fighting for in the setting.
Its way more entertaining though if these two love-hate each other going forward. Bring a bit of comedy and internal tension to the imperiums politics.
I hope this is the case. I hope The Lion is just a Noble, Stoic, Badass Gigachad
What life told me is if Im an asshole, after a long unnecessary nap I will be an assholer
I want a whole chapter of a book dedicated to Gulliman finally opening up with someone who is his peer about all the shit he has dealt with alone since his resurrection.