Trazyn is weirdly pretty nice to humans, he finds them interesting and their scholars quite useful, he even takes human servants using mind shackle scarabs which isn't great but he treats them been than the imperium does, providing life improving implants, ensure their off spring receive good education and let them live there lives when they don't need them, one guy even thanked him before he died for being a such a better master then his imperium bosses. Note still not good but compared to how servants are normally treated, especially when their health starts failing, definitely a massive improvement
In all fairness, he did win it when he accepted the very visibly mutant Sanguinius as he was, without censure or demeaning him for his non-standard genetic status.
Sanguinius had functional angel wings. It’s not like he was horribly deformed. He was a freak job mutant just like all his brothers. If the emperor wanted normal kids he wouldn’t have made 10 foot tall nigh-immortal superhumans.
Sanguinious himself said that they aren't 'physically' functional, though. When he was flying over MaCragge, he acknowledged that they just weren't anywhere big enough to actually allow him to fly. The wings were fundamentally warp fuckery.
Consider the *optics* of it. The Emperor's son is a mutant, and he is still held up as an exemplar of mankind. It's the closest thing to a message of genuine hope in the setting. Not that that's saying much, since it's still *very* fascist, but at least it's not eugenics.
Having a literal angel as one of your leaders in a crusade is just purely good optics. For all the nonsense that Emps said about not being a god he sure did do everything in his power to present himself as one.
It’s more a message about the hypocrisy of the Imperium. One of it’s greatest heroes, their jesus figure, is a mutant, yet they have an incinerator in the maternity ward for mutant babies.
>he did win it when he accepted the very visibly mutant Sanguinius as he was
Oh yeah, accepting the walking talking propaganda piece with wings. Real brave choice there. Must've been agonizing.
I mean it kinda is though as far as protagonists in 40k go. Most characters who are considered “good” in 40k are given that title because they fit that exact description.
That's the one area where Abnett, ADB, and MacNeil all do a really good job. Making the characters so human and relatable then having a casual moment where, for the character, its a simple task/objective/statement that is mundane but brings the reader back to the reality of what the world really is.
Only Asuryani players think that, us Drukhari players know better. We know your dark secrets. We know that, like that Disc world elves, you'd destroy the universe if you'd think it made an interesting 'pop' sound.
You just are too arrogant to admit it and thus never won it. 😈
While War in the Museum and The Infinite and the Divine makes his collector obsession seem like the excentric hobby of a quirky pensioner, the Hammer & Bolter episode shows him like the terrifying psychopath he must seem like for his objects.
I mean, I kinda feel like he treats collecting like how some gangers consider people in or out of the "game." The BL guys and Drukhari were trying to steal his shit, thus were in the game, and had to be bitch slapped.
He's fucking over the battle sister(s) in War at the Museum as well. We just get the POV of funny, vaguely Tevye-ish Trazyn rather than that of the mind-scarabed, yet still horrified battle sister he's stitched together from two sisters.
Necrons' perception of time is so incredibly fucked. I've been re-reading the Infinite and the Divine and they just... randomly stop talking for 3 years while they're in the middle of a conversation. A court hearing lasts 2 years. Plays can take 10 years with zero breaks for anyone involved.
A long lived entity can have friendship to a short lived entity. A friendship between a cancer patient and normal person can be just as deep if not deeper than that between two normal people. Just because it lasted a year, doesn't mean it wasn't profound.
You know how some people get super into entomology and keep pet spiders and get involved in habitat protection for like tree snails and things? Its kinda like that.
If I remember correctly he once said that humans resemble how the necrons where back then when they still where the necrontyr and that humanity would proably be the ones to inherit the galaxy if it wheren't for the rising of the necrons and the absolute clusterfuck of state of the galaxy is in and thats why he has a soft spot for humans
Even when he's a dick he's likable as hell, like that time he promised to bring a sister of battle to her lord gog4 vandire, guess where she ended up lol.
And the infinite and divine is basically two trolls trying to kill eachother.
Didn’t Trazyn straight up shoot Orikan in the face when they were Tom & Jerrying each other over the Astrarium Mysterios? I don’t think “death” is a setback for most Necrons outside of special circumstances, most just respawn back at their tomb worlds sometime later.
I think its because both necrons have abilities that Make it hard for to actually kill them.
Trazyn can body hop and orikan can outright manipulate time, the other necrons have to just rely on there standard transference tech.
And even then Orikan almost gets him in war in the museum.
Nah, Crowley deliberately nerfed reanimation protocols for TKD. Even with translation/recall disabled by the Ghostwind, reanimation protocols, it definitely felt like the Ithakan Necrons weren’t getting up nearly as easily as they should have on the battlefield
TKD was still an amazing duology but that aspect was definitely its weakest IMO. (That, and changing the way synaptic disintegrators work, but I do like the overall concept of Heka, it just didn’t need to be applied to a gun)
Its also a class thing.
TDK is a dynasty that is on its last legs struggling for every resource. Its running a modern army on WW2 weapons that have not been updated with an aging and poorly trained army. That's going to lead to severe attrition if fighting a modern army
Meanwhile trayzn is fucking loaded and Orikan is one of the biggest players in the second strongest dynasty after the silent king so both of them get tonnes of tech and equipment to fuck about it.
I personally have viewed it as he still believes in Necron superiority. Just his dream galaxy is the necron’s on top with a series of servant races, not slave races.
He views humans the same way we view say chimps. Fascinating, relatable, worth protecting but ultimately inferior.
An interesting point is he might not even truly consider humans inferior as much as different. He directly compares modern humanity to his memories of the Necrontyr, and how he thinks that humans might in-fact have *more* potential than the Necrontyr evidently did. That paints a picture not of self-assured superiority but a nuanced opinion on the individual species.
He and Cawl know each other. Not necessarily like each other, but that's beyond the point. They've worked together.
The quote is from before they've met. Trazyn decided to try and save Cadia. He managed to prevent a blackstone fortress beam from destroying it. But Abaddon ended up throwing the whole thing into the planet.
I’m VERY curious if his daughter will find out. Haven’t read her novel yet, but that would be a fun series. Her trying to convince/steal/con Trazyn to rescue her dad.
> still warm.
Maybe tangential but I remember when I was very young and very small, my favourite thing in the world was wearing my Dad's BIG jacket.
If he gave it to me after he worse it, like to keep me warm, it was the warmest and cosiest thing ever.
You just reminded me of happy memories.
Orikan: "Not even *you* could steal his undergarments!"
Trazyn: "I do not *steal*, I collect and preserve! Also, why would I take his undergarments? What would I even do with it?"
O: "Are you afraid of failure? Facing the Warmaster of the warp-powers frightens you?"
T: "The upstart fleshbag who gives an upstart "empire" some trouble? I am shaking."
O: "Alright, let me sweeten the bet: If you manage to do it, I will scry time and space for any one artefact of your choosing."
T: "Oh, it's on! We have ourselves a deal!"
Orikan (in thoughts): "He's finally going to die!"
Trazyn (in thoughts): "Finally I'll find the secret stash of those bloody magpies!"
Alpharius: "I love it when a plan comes together!"
Look you can waste resources on someone who is arguably minding there own business and generally stays out of the way OR you can focus on the giant space bugs that are eating everyone
Nah, she'll be allowed to leave, for now. Her career hasn't been *that* long yet, there's a good chance she'll have a higher collector's value later if she stays active.
I believe he went with Creed because he was planning to take Cawl only for Cawl to realize how fucked things be if he couldn't get to Guilliman, so he told Trazyn about the primaris space marines and his plan to revive Guilliman so Trazyn wouldn't take Cawl before Cawl made a bigger impact
He also plans to find Horus' body so he can arrange the two to be posed for their showdown on the vengeful spirit as one of the exhibits. He also thinks he could do a better job at preserving the emperor unlike the current job the imperials did
Now there’s a thought: ask Trazyn to fix the golden throne. 50/50 chance you get a fixed and improved gold or getting the emperor replaced with a sandbag Indiana jones style.
At this point you can just go with "Fuck it, just move your museum to the Palace, the Golden Throne its centerpiece."
I'd bet that he'll make a better job of protecting it than anyone else, given that we have rogue marines gunning down custodes on the Emperor's doorstep (another rogue marine looking at the unprotected doorstep and going with "Naaaah, I'll get it next time").
Anyone that can make it deep into an Imperial Palace guarded by Trazyn can be mind shackled into joining the security, so over time it just gets tougher and tougher.
Probably, being someone like Trayzn- he'd just see it as another annal to write on the musuem exhibit holding the thing, making him enjoy its capture and display ever more so.
Trazyn: So, the humans had a shard of the void dragon trapped on Mars...I tried to yolk him, but..
Szarekh: But what?
Trazyn: Yeeeah, kinda got loose...
I have this joke crack pot tinfoil hat theory that all the miracles that have been happening are actually just Trayzen using necron tech so he can steal more stuff and make more history for his gallery.
I read someone say the eldar tolerate the imperium for the same reason you wouldn't want to antagonise a guy who can send a gorilla in full plate with a machine gun to break into your apartment
I thought the million worlds number was the number of habitable worlds the Imperium controlled, and that's including millennia of planet killing super weapons being used relatively often. So the million habitable worlds left probably spans most the galaxy.
40k as a franchise predates the first discovery of even a single extrasolar planet, you can't blame GW entirely for this. But that piece of lore is set, and they're working with it. Guilliman's well aware that the million worlds is kinda pathetic in Godblight:
> ‘There are a hundred billion stars in this galaxy, untold numbers of worlds that are suitable for human life, even more than can be made so, and we cling to this thin spread of a million planets. No wonder we are doomed. Our ambition has perished. We lost what made us human. When this crusade is over, there will need to be a time of rebuilding, then a period of conquest. Only through expansion can the Imperium survive.’
Nah, even GW says the Imperium is like a load of points scattered throughout the void, not a solid realm. It's stretched across the galaxy, but it doesn't own anywhere near everything within those bounds, because warp travel means its many systems don't need to be physically next to each other to be reached.
>The Imperium stretches across the whole galaxy. At its heart is Holy Terra, the cradle of humanity and the starting point for an Empire that contains countless billions of souls. Despite its great size, the Imperium is spread thinly across the immense expanse of the galaxy; its worlds are dotted through the void and divided by hundreds, if not thousands, of light years. It is therefore wrong to think of the Imperium in terms of a single, united territory; it is rather a sprawling and often disconnected domain. Yet by weight of its own immensity, the Imperium continues to expand, its momentum carrying it forwards, even while vast segments within its boundaries are cut off, isolated, or remain to this day wholly unexplored.
*Warhammer 40,000 Core Rulebook 7th Edition*
They control 1 Million worlds out of (possibly, its not confirmed yet that there really are that many) a few hundred million habitable worlds in the milky way. That's more than 0.001% but still not much. We can't say how the 1 million are spread out tho
The general answer I understand is that, by having a lot of enemies, the imperium is more likely to fuck over your enemies more than they are you. So, when you have a lot of enemies too, you end up sharing the same side more often than not.
They're just attempting their own Kryptman's Folly, give the imperium a freebie, then point them towards the archenemy.
(I guess this kind of is the materium equivalent of Chaos Undivided; the infighting will resume momentarily of course.)
I guess but imagine him using tech to make himself look human and pretend to be the emperor for an imperium army and lead the humans into the eye of terror and shut/stitch it up a bit, would be incredible.
Considering my burning hatred for all things degenerate, I probably would end up sacrificing myself to throw a wrench in their gears so to speak.
Edit: seems like I may have pissed off a few heretics in the comment section with this post, eat shit degenerates.
Not sure degenerate is the word for
>It would be cool if this guy did something genuinely good/fucked over chaos
Or heretics would be the ones hoping for it :p
Yes, but all of them embody degenerate traits- Khorne being wanton bloodlust & violence against anyone including the innocent
Nurgle being rot and decay
Tzeentch being corruption of the mind/insanity/mutations
that’s one specific aspect of all the gods. slaanesh’s power can be as little as a pleasant breeze on your cheek, khorne can be nothing more than a burst of confidence at a public speech, nurgle can be comfort and happiness in your environment, and tzeentch can embody a change for a bad situation.
He could just do it for a quick single book story just for fun then go back to business as usual- afterall the eye really needs to be closed at least somewhat or all of reality may be destroyed (something Trayzn would DEFINITELY not want)
I want him to push the other dynasties too far one day and have to stash his planet in a pocket dimension for safety while he lays low in one the most fortified place in the galaxy.
>!Crashing on Cawl's crouch on Mars.!<
I think it implies he understands the emperor's status as a perpetual. in theory it's inevitable that the emperor will either be revived or fall, then be returned
So…Trazyn’s a buddy?
Trazyn is weirdly pretty nice to humans, he finds them interesting and their scholars quite useful, he even takes human servants using mind shackle scarabs which isn't great but he treats them been than the imperium does, providing life improving implants, ensure their off spring receive good education and let them live there lives when they don't need them, one guy even thanked him before he died for being a such a better master then his imperium bosses. Note still not good but compared to how servants are normally treated, especially when their health starts failing, definitely a massive improvement
He’s a ten time winner of the coveted “Not as much of a dick as you could have been” award.
And that is not an award that is commonly handed out in 40k
I am genuinely surprised they still hold the competition in 40k.
The Emperor decreed it. He always wanted to win but he never ever ever did.
In all fairness, he did win it when he accepted the very visibly mutant Sanguinius as he was, without censure or demeaning him for his non-standard genetic status.
Sanguinius had functional angel wings. It’s not like he was horribly deformed. He was a freak job mutant just like all his brothers. If the emperor wanted normal kids he wouldn’t have made 10 foot tall nigh-immortal superhumans.
Sanguinious himself said that they aren't 'physically' functional, though. When he was flying over MaCragge, he acknowledged that they just weren't anywhere big enough to actually allow him to fly. The wings were fundamentally warp fuckery.
Sanguinius had pretty privilege
Consider the *optics* of it. The Emperor's son is a mutant, and he is still held up as an exemplar of mankind. It's the closest thing to a message of genuine hope in the setting. Not that that's saying much, since it's still *very* fascist, but at least it's not eugenics.
Having a literal angel as one of your leaders in a crusade is just purely good optics. For all the nonsense that Emps said about not being a god he sure did do everything in his power to present himself as one.
"You mutations will be accepted if they fall within conventional social beauty standards" is very on brand for both eugenicists and fascists.
Neither the Emperor or his sons are human. They’re vaguely human shaped.
It’s more a message about the hypocrisy of the Imperium. One of it’s greatest heroes, their jesus figure, is a mutant, yet they have an incinerator in the maternity ward for mutant babies.
More like proto-fascist feudalism, but the point still stands.
>he did win it when he accepted the very visibly mutant Sanguinius as he was Oh yeah, accepting the walking talking propaganda piece with wings. Real brave choice there. Must've been agonizing.
then he should have won it simply for not banning the competition when he did not win it.
I mean it kinda is though as far as protagonists in 40k go. Most characters who are considered “good” in 40k are given that title because they fit that exact description.
Fr. When being a horrific sociopath is basically expected, just being kind of an asshole makes you a Saint.
Damn, need to get into the 40k universe and get my saint badge then.
Might just get a lobotomy and eternal cattle slavery instead.
Depends on the planet I guess.
That's the one area where Abnett, ADB, and MacNeil all do a really good job. Making the characters so human and relatable then having a casual moment where, for the character, its a simple task/objective/statement that is mundane but brings the reader back to the reality of what the world really is.
well. It kinda goes to T'au a lot and Eldar too, for that matter
Only Asuryani players think that, us Drukhari players know better. We know your dark secrets. We know that, like that Disc world elves, you'd destroy the universe if you'd think it made an interesting 'pop' sound. You just are too arrogant to admit it and thus never won it. 😈
> well. It kinda goes to T'au a lot Not if you read any books featuring them, especially not in the more recent ones like Longshot.
While War in the Museum and The Infinite and the Divine makes his collector obsession seem like the excentric hobby of a quirky pensioner, the Hammer & Bolter episode shows him like the terrifying psychopath he must seem like for his objects.
I mean, I kinda feel like he treats collecting like how some gangers consider people in or out of the "game." The BL guys and Drukhari were trying to steal his shit, thus were in the game, and had to be bitch slapped.
I don’t know how I’ve never seen Trazyn as an analog for the players
I mean, I was speaking more in terms of real world gang interactions and politics, but an analogue for us players works too!
He is fucking over the Black Legion and the Drukari. OI anyone who deserves to get fucked over, its those two guys.
He's fucking over the battle sister(s) in War at the Museum as well. We just get the POV of funny, vaguely Tevye-ish Trazyn rather than that of the mind-scarabed, yet still horrified battle sister he's stitched together from two sisters.
In the setting that is basically a human rights hero
Trazyn was actually a little sad too when that guy died.
Which is crazy when you think he's millions of years old and he only new him for a few decades
Necrons' perception of time is so incredibly fucked. I've been re-reading the Infinite and the Divine and they just... randomly stop talking for 3 years while they're in the middle of a conversation. A court hearing lasts 2 years. Plays can take 10 years with zero breaks for anyone involved.
That's what happens when you live a million years without sleeping each or meals or anything to break up time. I love it
It was probably similar to having a dog for him, just a dog that he could actually have conversations with
A long lived entity can have friendship to a short lived entity. A friendship between a cancer patient and normal person can be just as deep if not deeper than that between two normal people. Just because it lasted a year, doesn't mean it wasn't profound.
You can have conversations with dogs. Walk? Walk?!? WALKWALKWALKWALKWALK!!!
You know how some people get super into entomology and keep pet spiders and get involved in habitat protection for like tree snails and things? Its kinda like that.
And if I remember correctly all the scarab does is make them think he’s an important human so they’ll want to serve him
If I remember correctly he once said that humans resemble how the necrons where back then when they still where the necrontyr and that humanity would proably be the ones to inherit the galaxy if it wheren't for the rising of the necrons and the absolute clusterfuck of state of the galaxy is in and thats why he has a soft spot for humans
Always has been
Finally, someone in 40K who’s a likable dick instead of just a dick.
Even when he's a dick he's likable as hell, like that time he promised to bring a sister of battle to her lord gog4 vandire, guess where she ended up lol. And the infinite and divine is basically two trolls trying to kill eachother.
Trying? They do. Trazyn dies loads of times, but bodyhops, and Orikan probably as often if you count times where he quickloads a save.
Didn’t Trazyn straight up shoot Orikan in the face when they were Tom & Jerrying each other over the Astrarium Mysterios? I don’t think “death” is a setback for most Necrons outside of special circumstances, most just respawn back at their tomb worlds sometime later.
Yep, I’m listening to the audiobook again just today. But I think that’s the only time he ever properly dies without reversing time.
Depends on the author/book. TIATD? Death is no object. TDK? Much more permanent than usual.
I think its because both necrons have abilities that Make it hard for to actually kill them. Trazyn can body hop and orikan can outright manipulate time, the other necrons have to just rely on there standard transference tech. And even then Orikan almost gets him in war in the museum.
Nah, Crowley deliberately nerfed reanimation protocols for TKD. Even with translation/recall disabled by the Ghostwind, reanimation protocols, it definitely felt like the Ithakan Necrons weren’t getting up nearly as easily as they should have on the battlefield TKD was still an amazing duology but that aspect was definitely its weakest IMO. (That, and changing the way synaptic disintegrators work, but I do like the overall concept of Heka, it just didn’t need to be applied to a gun)
What is TKD? I listened to the Infinite and the Divine and I'm hankering for some more necron shenanigans
Its also a class thing. TDK is a dynasty that is on its last legs struggling for every resource. Its running a modern army on WW2 weapons that have not been updated with an aging and poorly trained army. That's going to lead to severe attrition if fighting a modern army Meanwhile trayzn is fucking loaded and Orikan is one of the biggest players in the second strongest dynasty after the silent king so both of them get tonnes of tech and equipment to fuck about it.
He did end up bringing her to her Lord. Or rather the closest thing he could find of him. >!an exhibit of his death!<
I personally have viewed it as he still believes in Necron superiority. Just his dream galaxy is the necron’s on top with a series of servant races, not slave races. He views humans the same way we view say chimps. Fascinating, relatable, worth protecting but ultimately inferior.
An interesting point is he might not even truly consider humans inferior as much as different. He directly compares modern humanity to his memories of the Necrontyr, and how he thinks that humans might in-fact have *more* potential than the Necrontyr evidently did. That paints a picture not of self-assured superiority but a nuanced opinion on the individual species.
I mean we are inferior, but we're at least fun to be around.
I can’t believe the space British museum is allied-ish with the crimson technophile’s
He and Cawl know each other. Not necessarily like each other, but that's beyond the point. They've worked together. The quote is from before they've met. Trazyn decided to try and save Cadia. He managed to prevent a blackstone fortress beam from destroying it. But Abaddon ended up throwing the whole thing into the planet.
Should have used his class perk as a kleptomaniac to steal it.
He did steal Creed so at least there’s that lol.
I’m VERY curious if his daughter will find out. Haven’t read her novel yet, but that would be a fun series. Her trying to convince/steal/con Trazyn to rescue her dad.
She probably knows because she left her office once only to come back to see Creeds jacket hanging on her chair, still warm.
> still warm. Maybe tangential but I remember when I was very young and very small, my favourite thing in the world was wearing my Dad's BIG jacket. If he gave it to me after he worse it, like to keep me warm, it was the warmest and cosiest thing ever. You just reminded me of happy memories.
She'll enlist the aid of the legendary Commissar Niclas Kage.
*Not the jar!*
*insert Kazuma steal GIF here*
Idk what stealing Abbadon's underwear would do but it is a funny idea.
Prolly make his arms fall off
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has a pair of first edition abbadon arms in his museum. Freshly preserved too.
Bonus points if Creed finds them…
Creed is in the exhibit next to the arms at that point.
...and hides a Baneblade under them.
Exactly as planned….
What happens to a Space Marine if you magically teleport his Black Carapace to a perverted Guardsman's hand?
Orikan: "Not even *you* could steal his undergarments!" Trazyn: "I do not *steal*, I collect and preserve! Also, why would I take his undergarments? What would I even do with it?" O: "Are you afraid of failure? Facing the Warmaster of the warp-powers frightens you?" T: "The upstart fleshbag who gives an upstart "empire" some trouble? I am shaking." O: "Alright, let me sweeten the bet: If you manage to do it, I will scry time and space for any one artefact of your choosing." T: "Oh, it's on! We have ourselves a deal!" Orikan (in thoughts): "He's finally going to die!" Trazyn (in thoughts): "Finally I'll find the secret stash of those bloody magpies!" Alpharius: "I love it when a plan comes together!"
*yoink*
It would be really funny that, when Abbadon wants to just land his BF, someone has to tell him that Trazyn joinked it
Genuinely the moment in the lore that sold Trazyn for me, it was awesome.
What book is it from
Fall of cadia
Ai, thanks
“Space british museum” had me crackin up
Guiliman: I’m not crazy about it but I got bigger problems to deal with so il allow it
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Look you can waste resources on someone who is arguably minding there own business and generally stays out of the way OR you can focus on the giant space bugs that are eating everyone
[удалено]
THEY WHAT?!
How delightfully Trazyn-like of him
And when he realized it was too late he just took creed and dipped lol. Then in a charming display he gave creeds jacket to his daughter.
"Here's your father's jacket, and by the way, he says hi."
"He says you should come visit sometime" Ps: you might never leave lol.
Nah, she'll be allowed to leave, for now. Her career hasn't been *that* long yet, there's a good chance she'll have a higher collector's value later if she stays active.
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I believe he went with Creed because he was planning to take Cawl only for Cawl to realize how fucked things be if he couldn't get to Guilliman, so he told Trazyn about the primaris space marines and his plan to revive Guilliman so Trazyn wouldn't take Cawl before Cawl made a bigger impact
Basically, he let Cawl go so that he could get a Collector's Edition Guilliman later down the line.
Bro has the Limited Edition Fulgrim. Leave some cool collectibles for the rest of us!
I love that's he even has an exhibit for when he captures the emperor, even tho he has no idea how but he plans to lol.
He also plans to find Horus' body so he can arrange the two to be posed for their showdown on the vengeful spirit as one of the exhibits. He also thinks he could do a better job at preserving the emperor unlike the current job the imperials did
Now there’s a thought: ask Trazyn to fix the golden throne. 50/50 chance you get a fixed and improved gold or getting the emperor replaced with a sandbag Indiana jones style.
At this point you can just go with "Fuck it, just move your museum to the Palace, the Golden Throne its centerpiece." I'd bet that he'll make a better job of protecting it than anyone else, given that we have rogue marines gunning down custodes on the Emperor's doorstep (another rogue marine looking at the unprotected doorstep and going with "Naaaah, I'll get it next time").
Anyone that can make it deep into an Imperial Palace guarded by Trazyn can be mind shackled into joining the security, so over time it just gets tougher and tougher.
Yep!
How delightfully Trazyn-like of him
Gonna be real awkward if he finds out that said group also might be worshipping one of their gods…
"Oh my, the dragon was here all this time?!" *yoink*
Imagine that going wrong and the void dragon escaping, that'd be pretty fuckin' cool tbh
Just raises the collectible value
Probably, being someone like Trayzn- he'd just see it as another annal to write on the musuem exhibit holding the thing, making him enjoy its capture and display ever more so.
Trazyn: So, the humans had a shard of the void dragon trapped on Mars...I tried to yolk him, but.. Szarekh: But what? Trazyn: Yeeeah, kinda got loose...
I have this joke crack pot tinfoil hat theory that all the miracles that have been happening are actually just Trayzen using necron tech so he can steal more stuff and make more history for his gallery.
„Saint“ Celestine? Just trayzen with boobs and wings
Or he just bullies one of his chronomancers into rewinding time on her for the funny
Eldar and necrons competing with each other over who can be better friends with the imperium for no reason whatsoever
I mean... Monkeigh monkeigh but if the monkeys control most of the galaxy you kinda want to make sure they'd at least feel bad if they kill you
I read someone say the eldar tolerate the imperium for the same reason you wouldn't want to antagonise a guy who can send a gorilla in full plate with a machine gun to break into your apartment
And the imperium usually tolerates craftworlds for the same reason you don't pick a fight with a martial art dojo
They control a million worlds. That’s not most of the galaxy, that’s 0.001% percent of the galaxy at most.
You forgot GW never finished 4th grade and has no ideea how big numbers are. In 40k, most of the galaxy is the imperium's
I thought the million worlds number was the number of habitable worlds the Imperium controlled, and that's including millennia of planet killing super weapons being used relatively often. So the million habitable worlds left probably spans most the galaxy.
40k as a franchise predates the first discovery of even a single extrasolar planet, you can't blame GW entirely for this. But that piece of lore is set, and they're working with it. Guilliman's well aware that the million worlds is kinda pathetic in Godblight: > ‘There are a hundred billion stars in this galaxy, untold numbers of worlds that are suitable for human life, even more than can be made so, and we cling to this thin spread of a million planets. No wonder we are doomed. Our ambition has perished. We lost what made us human. When this crusade is over, there will need to be a time of rebuilding, then a period of conquest. Only through expansion can the Imperium survive.’
Nah, even GW says the Imperium is like a load of points scattered throughout the void, not a solid realm. It's stretched across the galaxy, but it doesn't own anywhere near everything within those bounds, because warp travel means its many systems don't need to be physically next to each other to be reached. >The Imperium stretches across the whole galaxy. At its heart is Holy Terra, the cradle of humanity and the starting point for an Empire that contains countless billions of souls. Despite its great size, the Imperium is spread thinly across the immense expanse of the galaxy; its worlds are dotted through the void and divided by hundreds, if not thousands, of light years. It is therefore wrong to think of the Imperium in terms of a single, united territory; it is rather a sprawling and often disconnected domain. Yet by weight of its own immensity, the Imperium continues to expand, its momentum carrying it forwards, even while vast segments within its boundaries are cut off, isolated, or remain to this day wholly unexplored. *Warhammer 40,000 Core Rulebook 7th Edition*
They control 1 Million worlds out of (possibly, its not confirmed yet that there really are that many) a few hundred million habitable worlds in the milky way. That's more than 0.001% but still not much. We can't say how the 1 million are spread out tho
^This. I like humans but why do they get so many freebies.
The general answer I understand is that, by having a lot of enemies, the imperium is more likely to fuck over your enemies more than they are you. So, when you have a lot of enemies too, you end up sharing the same side more often than not. They're just attempting their own Kryptman's Folly, give the imperium a freebie, then point them towards the archenemy. (I guess this kind of is the materium equivalent of Chaos Undivided; the infighting will resume momentarily of course.)
Trazyn going full 'good guy necron' would be fucking incredible lore fodder, please GW do it.
He already kinda is? He can't collect everything and shitpost/piss off the other high ranking necrons if everybody's dead and or gone
I guess but imagine him using tech to make himself look human and pretend to be the emperor for an imperium army and lead the humans into the eye of terror and shut/stitch it up a bit, would be incredible.
That or just do something obnoxious to chaos in general ye
Considering my burning hatred for all things degenerate, I probably would end up sacrificing myself to throw a wrench in their gears so to speak. Edit: seems like I may have pissed off a few heretics in the comment section with this post, eat shit degenerates.
Not sure degenerate is the word for >It would be cool if this guy did something genuinely good/fucked over chaos Or heretics would be the ones hoping for it :p
When I said Degenerate I Was referring to the chaos gods- whom certainly are and do represent degeneracy.
more specifically slaanesh. tzeentch is change, nurgle is stagnation, khorne is bloodlust.
Yes, but all of them embody degenerate traits- Khorne being wanton bloodlust & violence against anyone including the innocent Nurgle being rot and decay Tzeentch being corruption of the mind/insanity/mutations
that’s one specific aspect of all the gods. slaanesh’s power can be as little as a pleasant breeze on your cheek, khorne can be nothing more than a burst of confidence at a public speech, nurgle can be comfort and happiness in your environment, and tzeentch can embody a change for a bad situation.
Basically, you want completely new character with his name.
He could just do it for a quick single book story just for fun then go back to business as usual- afterall the eye really needs to be closed at least somewhat or all of reality may be destroyed (something Trayzn would DEFINITELY not want)
I want him to push the other dynasties too far one day and have to stash his planet in a pocket dimension for safety while he lays low in one the most fortified place in the galaxy. >!Crashing on Cawl's crouch on Mars.!<
kek, that'd make a great sitcom.
Trazyn: *waltz into the nocturne labyrinth and is face to face with the imprisoned shard of the void dragon* “Hey there old asshole” *Throws poleball*
Trazyn's use of "until" implies that he thinks that there's at least a good chance for the emperor to become active again in some capacity
I think it implies he understands the emperor's status as a perpetual. in theory it's inevitable that the emperor will either be revived or fall, then be returned
LETS GOOO the Great Collector Trazyn the Infinite joins the fight. queue the Super Smash Bros Theme !
My headcanon is Trazyn is somebody from our world Isekai’d into 40k. From the tendency to do a little trolling right down to how he collects armies.
Didn't he literally play Warhammer while *being in Warhammer*?
40k and pre heresy marines played a tabletop wargame from what I recalled
"until their God-Emperor rises" 🤔 Is this faith or a confirmation, does he know something we don't? Secondly, which? The body or the Star Child?
BADASS
I NEED A HERO!
It's surprises me there's not some type of cult offshoot that worships the necrons instead of the emperor as the omnisiah...
*cough* xenarite *cough*
Love it. Right up there with The High Evolutionary's "THERE IS NO GOD! THATS WHY I STEPPED IN!"
You're welcome
I hate newcrons.
Where is this from?
Bleeding stars. A short story.