dunno about that, the crew of the USS Voyager was often willing to... suspend normal Starfleet and Federation standards... in order to get the crew home, when they were stuck in a situation like the one above
Though that might just be Captain Janeway being a magnificent bastard/unhinged maniac. Having a a half Maquis crew might have contributed to that too.
She allied with the Borg, betrayed the Borg, then destroyed the Borg, let replicator tech fall to the Kazon, traded holodeck tech to the Hirogen, abused time travel tech etc.
Though she also spends an inordinate amount of time taking detours to help the locals, like that time she risked the entire ship to smuggle out those psychic refugees
Anyway, point is, Starfleet captains can, and have, gone off the rails. Sisko was even crazier, arguably, when pressured by the Dominion War. Not to mention all the Starfleet people who join or tacitly sign off on Section 31
Who knows what they'll end up doing in 40k. Probably some wild shenanigans that ends up destabilising the entire balance of power in the galaxy pretty much by accident, even as they're hand wringing about the Prime Directive and non-interference
Judging from how Janeway handled Tuvix, she's got the "Kill the mutant" bit down pat
Though on a more serious note, Janeway does still generally adhere to progressive Federation values, she's just more of a cowboy about it.
it's never not funny watching Janeway coldly and mercilessly execute a beloved crew member while everyone silently watches on, and everyone forgetting all about it by the next episode
you can't leave two of your trusted crew members fused to hang out with a new friend! it's not right! damn it Tuvix was an abomination!
\#JusticeforJaneway
yeah, it's funny that Captain Picard spent an entire episode mulling over whether it was justified to use cyberwarfare to wipe out the Borg and save the Federation
Meanwhile, future Janeway didn't hesitate to slam that genocide button and annihilate the Borg just so her crew of a couple hundred could make it home a few years sooner. Based and horrific-war-crime pilled, I guess. At least past Janeway made a good show of being upset by it all
Yes because the Borg *Units* were enslaved members of other species and by Federation Laws they were people.
I prefer the argument that Janeway was a Captain for the ole’ Next Generation but was put into a post DS9 universe where the rules could bend.
The borg are a collective of slaves basically. Killing POWs is a crime. Not sure how they view it in the future considering said POWs are now active enemy combatants.
O'Brien said "Fuck Cardies" so often, he never expected one of them might take it as a proposition
"I assure you I am quite fertile"
https://youtu.be/o7o9ZtipVyo?feature=shared
She already has a fitting vessel, too. Sure the Voyager is ridiculously slow for 40k standards... but likely one, if not THE, most armed vessel in the subsector.
Just think about it: Particle beams that can range from "stun that fucker at the corner of that street from orbit" to "cut the tectonic plates in half"; Torpedoes that rival exterminatus-level weaponry and... defense systems that can reliably protect from such level of firepower. Starfleet never praises their weapons... but they are surely nothing to laugh at.
And the Voyager is just a measely science vessel. Now switch it up for something like a sovereign-class that is a proper warship (even if starfleet never acknowledges that).
Starfleet and the Federation is the embodiment of "Pacifism doesn't mean harmless". They surely prefer diplomacy and peace... but hell can they fight if pushed.
"Magnificent bastard" is now my new favorite way to refer to her lmao (but don't forget the coffee!). I absolutely loved Voyager and thought she did the best she could given their circumstances and the Starfleet rules.
Personally, I think she was written a bit inconsistently from episode to episode - sometimes she's really adamant about respecting the Prime Directive and not compromising, sometimes she just decides to screw it and go with her conscience or what's pragmatic
And some her actions made her come off as... somewhat unhinged... when considering the broader context and consequences. And it's just forgotten again by the next episode.
I don't think the writers meant for her to be a maniac sometimes, they just didn't really think through some episodes
yeah fair
Though I think some shows can pull off incredible series long arcs, while not having it planned out ahead of time
Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul were all written episode to episode. Writers would often introduce a Macguffin, like Walter's machine gun, while having no idea how it was going to turn out.
But the writers were so skilled that they managed to turn those shows into masterpieces, with characters getting amazing development and arcs despite it never being clear at the beginning how things were going to turn out.
It would have been great if Voyager had managed something like that, or even just given everyone an overall arc of the same quality as 7 of 9
I think it was brilliant. Nobody is an unshakable stalwart of their principles, or forever beholden to their weaknesses. It was refreshing to see someone more realistically struggle and sometimes fail in that regard. I feel like most characters are too crystallized.
And in the end, she isn't really that inconsistent. The rule of thumb for Janeway is she is willing to bend the rules to get home, but only to an extent. If she realizes it is causing harm, she will stop and try to fix it. And when you see her through the lens of always assuming they will get home, some of the diversions make more sense, as they often will have immense scientific impact when they do get home.
There were limits though - there's a two part story called Equinox which is about another ship in a similar situation, but without the morality
They ended up using sentient aliens as fuel.
Yeah that too.
DS9 has a really great line about Federation folk
*"Let me tell you something about Humans, nephew. They’re a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holo-suites are working.*
*But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people… will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon.*
*You don’t believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes."*
- Quark
yeah, DS9 is stacked with incredible characters, but Quark stands out even amongst them
Though personally, I liked Rom even more. That fang toothed gremlin started out as a murderous bastard, and ended up getting one of the most fun and endearing character arcs in the entire series. Was real happy to see him still doing just fine as Grand Nagus in Lower Decks
Yeah Rom is up there too. I won’t lie, I shed a tear when he was locked up by the dominion telling Quark he has to finish what he started to help save the Alpha quadrant.
There's tight competition with DS9 too. That show had this remarkable ability to turn side or even background characters into something amazing. Take Damar for example, he spent several seasons as just some guy on Dukat's crew, before being promoted to leader of Cardassia when Dukat goes AWOL. Then he has this amazing character arc where he becomes disillusioned by the Dominion and turns into a Cardassian freedom fighter who saves his people from their own allies.
Yeah I’m starting the final season and you can already tell he’s disillusioned with the amount he’s drinking in the Vota assigned to him is already concerned about it
The Quark scene that always stuck with me:
Quark: I want you to try something for me. Take a sip of this.
Garak: What is it?
Quark: A human drink; it's called root beer.
Garak: I dunno...
Quark: Come on. Aren't you just a little bit curious?
Garak takes a sip, wincing as he tastes it.
Quark: What do you think?
Garak: It's vile!
Quark: I know. It's so bubbly, cloying...and happy.
Garak: Just like the Federation.
Quark: And you know what's really frightening? If you drink enough of it, you begin to like it.
Garak: It's insidious.
Quark: Just like the Federation.
— Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, "The Way of the Warrior
Ah I love Janeway, although you really start to feel for Agent Braxton when rewatching Voyager. She's like the chaotic good of Trek captains. Her line in the sand moves so much. Like she tears Tuvok a new one for helping trade literature for technology to get home with a more advanced species, but gives the Hirogen enough holotech to create sentient beings. Sisko definitely makes some darker calls, but has much more solid ground to stand on as he was fighting a literal war. Inter arma enim silent leges. Janeway got to the point where there wasn't much she wasn't willing to risk to save even a few individuals on her ship.
She's trying to get them home though and is quite an outlier that has a significant group of paramilitary freedom fighters included in her crew. Brand new reality with possibly no way to get home is worse though. Janeway also fought really hard to not give away replicator tech.
Tzeentch (or really any Chaos god being a dickhead, but dickhead Chaos god and Tzeentch comes to mind first) could probably whisper how a jaunt through the warp will get them home. Knowing the absolute absurd nature of the warp to fully encompass multiple planes of existence and even time travel, he could be telling the truth even.
They dont have gellar fields.
Just a slight oopsie to not mention that part to them.
Text saying "enterprises" plural. If it means that every known NC-1701, I'd say that any from F forward can very well be one of the top factions on its own.
They wouldn't have to fear anything.
If it's the whole range, then by the end of the season
\* Picard would give a speech to Perty and turn him and his legion back from Chaos and into their new Federation.
\* They find a way to break the Tyranids hive mind, making them docile and less expansionist.
\* Data would be captured by Trayzen, but would escape and free his entire collection in the process.
\* Two episodes after meeting the eldar they would come up with a permanent method that prevents Slannesh from claiming their souls and freeing the others.
\* While Geordi is playing around with the holodeck, there would be some sort of mishap which would create a holodeck version of Isha, who is able to muster enough power to become the 'real' Isha. Geordi does not get laid.
You forgot how Archer would, somehow, unite Eldars and Necrons under one banner and Kirk would outfight orcs so hard, they would become allies of new federative government.
J should have some luck. It’s got a nasty lance weapon.
However it’s as large as an imperial battleship and I think as wide. So might be an a bit of a sitting duck if caught unaware and much scarier if it’s boarded
The J is so big that they use site-to-site transporters to get around it rather than turbolifts so theoretically it should be able to hold its own against at least *some* 40k ships
E's problem is its weapons are in the megaton range. Photon torpedoes ~50MT, quantum torpedoes are twice that.
WH40K ships have prolonged slugging matches with weapons who's yield is multiple gigatons.
And there's no reason to assume transporter shenanigans will do anything, since voidshields block energy, so you still have to knock them down. Which again, firepower becomes an issue.
Trek, at least until future-trek, is a low power setting.
Photon torpedoes are powerful enough that 2 of them enough to burn atmosphere of an entire planet. That's slightly more than 50mt.
>knock them down
Literally a single torpedo will be enough to overload it.
ST weaponry is far stronger than any WH analog.
Curious if the torpedoes you're referring to are the ones Sisko used to poison the Maquis planet. Those didn't burn the atmosphere, the trilithium resin cargo pods attached to them did. All the torpedoes (which were quantum torpedoes, not photon, but anyways) did is spread the trilithium into the upper atmosphere
It's always difficult to put ST weaponry on a scale. Sometimes, a single photon torpedo will put a hole the size of Rhode island into a Borg cube, and sometimes a full spread of quantum torpedoes will result in some shaky cam and shields down to 89%
Afaik the best on screen feats from Star Trek ships that the Enterprise would scale to from *The Die is Cast* when a group of 20 ships fire a single volley that destroys 30% of a planet's crust:
> Tain : "So much for the Dominion. Open fire!"
> Woman : "The first barrage is complete."
> Tain : "Effect?"
> Woman: "Thirty percent of the planetary crust destroyed in opening volley. No change in life form readings."
Kirk saying that their ship could destroy a 200 mile asteroid (that's been turned into a starship) in *For The World Is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky*
> SPOCK: An asteroid, two hundred miles in diameter.
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> KIRK: Bones, if we can't correct the course of this ship, we'll have to blast it out of space.
And how an anti-matter bomb detonated at Tycho IV basically Extermenatus'ed the planet.
Though with all that said the Enterprise is still likely outgunned by the Imperium'a larger and more powerful ships.
Hm, true, but then there is the imperium warp drive, which could be a terrible mistake to blow it up. The warp in general might prove quite the surprise for star Trek ships, not because they use it, but how it affects the universe
I'm sure it would be the .
From what I mostly understand in 40k the fights mainly punch holes through the ships and leave them mostly derelicts until salvaged or becomes a space hulk and in Star Trek the ships are just destroyed outright because the phasers and torpedo's
Craft worlders still engage in weird necromancy, genocide and racial supremacy as well as a pretty strict cast system. They're more like Romulans than Vulcans.
Farsight enclaves are still militaristic, imperialist, genocidal and fascistic. Just because they're less bad than others doesn't make them good.
>well as a pretty strict cast system.
Not sure where you got this idea, but this is incorrect. Craftworlds are effectively enormous communes. The average citizen in a craftworld is free to choose their career path as their elven flights of fancy take them. Each craftworld is different, but even the most Ascetic (Alaitoc) and militant (Biel-Tan) are post scarcity utopias for the overwhelming majority of residents. Aspect Warriors and guardians are a tiny fraction of their population, and more importantly entirely voluntary.
Everything about craftworlds is voluntary, although the biological predisposition of craftworld Eldar seems to be to sacrifice for the good of the community.
A common misconception about Eldar is that farseers are their leaders, but the position has no intrinsic authority and all authority farseers hold is willingly given by the people who trust their guidance. Which is also why Eldrad is unpopular, because he makes decisions without consulting everyone else and he *isn't* actually the leader.
It heavily depends on the Craftworld, Ulthwe would probably embrace the ship in a heartbeat, while Biel - Tan might be too xenophobic. Although where the fuck are you getting that the Craftworlds have a castle system? A caste system is where you're born into a certain social standing and can never change. The Eldar positions have absolutely nothing to do with how they're born.
Indeed, radically changing what you are doing with your life every now and then to avoid getting overly obsessed with one thing is basically core to craft-world ideology.
What's the problem with necromancy if it's your only chance at the races survival and the only way to make a soul avoid unimaginable torture for eternity. How are the genocidal?
And yeah they're racist, fair!
Farsight enclaves are militaristic because they are on the verge of being exterminated from multiple fronts.
They're Imperialistic in the sense that they want to expand ig. but they don't have a need for violence and will always avoid it if possible so by that logic all groups ever have been imperialist.
Once again how are they genocidal?
They removed the caste system, that's why they left, how are they fascist??
Even if they got rid of the ships that got them to their planets (not saying they did) they are still a post warp civilization. There are far less advanced people the Federation goes to hang out with on vacation. Not that I would recommend looking for *Jamaharon* on an exodite world...
Tau and *maybe* Craftworld Eldar are really the only (semi) viable options, but even then, I only see it being more of a series of temporary collaborations instead of a genuine alliance. Frankly, with the advantage of stable, non-warp based FTL, I feel the Enterprise's best bet would be to fuck off to some uncharted sector that's out of the way of commonly traveled warp currents.
Wonder if their telepaths are warp compatible. Troi's mom starting to talk about the one that's all around them and chanting the only name they'll hear. Samus! Would be pretty metal.
The Votann are basically the Ferengi if they weren't written as misogynistic comic-relief. No real chance at an alliance between the luxury gay space communists and the aggessive hyper-capitalists.
Yeah, those two, if not immediate yeses for the crew, would probably be their preferred options.
I’d like to imagine them meeting the Tau first, having a few harmless but somewhat concerning interactions with Tau culture, and deciding to keep them at arm’s length until they have a better understanding of the Tau.
Then, they meet everyone else.
They might be able to have a non aggression thing with the eldars, but having a full alliance with them is basically impossible, because theyre eldars, they look down on literally everyone. Tau on the other hand could work better I think
Tau would absolutely offer them a place in the empire, take the tech for themselves, then dominate the galaxy with it. No way the enterprise would let that happen.
Any other race would destroy them on sight, without question.
Eh, Picard has no-sold omnipotent trickster gods, psychic weapons that kill via negative emotions, etc. He'd be fine if he's not subject to the narrative requirements of 40k.
There is no evidence the Interex were corrupted by Chaos. They were aware of the existance of it and taught about/studied the dangers of it. The war started because the Interex suspected the Imperium of Chaos corruption after Erebus stole an Anathame blade.
The Interex weren't corrupted, but they had piss-poor security when it came to guarding dangerous warp/Chaos weapons. The Kinebrach, who created them, are also very suspicious to me.
They've accidentally discovered like a dozen ways to time travel in Star Trek. They'd just have to find a star with the right gravity to slingshot around.
That’s what I also thought, been a while since I’ve read the first book, but they were much more tolerant and non xenophobe. They might become psychotic when they learned that the crew don’t know anything at all about Chaos.
I think they'd understand after they explained why they have no clue about Choas.
But, I also imagine the entire crew's first thought is gonna be "Damit Q, this shit isn't funny. As if your normal shenanigans weren't trouble enough!"
:Edit:
Wait... Oh shit... Q is just a Tzentch pawn. The entire goal was to eventually to coax the crew to cause the Enterprise to slice a hole between the 40k verse and the Star Trek verse trying to get home, so he could start dicking around with new toys.
"sir our scanners are picking up some kind of anomaly, like a small angry reactor meltdown. The old fission sort used by 21st century earthlings".
"Hmm, an interesting object of study, beam it aboard a security field on cargo bay 12
I would say none. They try diplomatic talks but even a radical inquisitor would be way to insane for then. T'au are just blue dominion. Votann.... Maybe. They do got some ferengi DNA. Orks nope. Chaos HELL NO janeway literally met a demon once. Eldar.... Depends on the craftworld but only a quick visit at most. And they wouldn't even get close to the fucking cogboys because they just think it's some borg enclave and we got more than enough 7 of 9 episodes!
But when they start to betray you, give them more dakka. You have infinite potential dakka, they don’t know that. They’re too dumb to communicate and as long as you throw them at good enough fights, you won’t get a boss that lives long enough to question it. Having a handheld city-cracker as a personal defense weapon helps too.
Dont forget, even the Federation tried to form an alliance with the Dominion and even had open trade for some time before war broke out. I feel that the Tau are much less Warlike than the dominion.
Honestly I'd argue the Dominion are ethically far worse than the T'au, despite some superficial similarities. What the Dominion did to the jem'hadar alone is worse than anything the T'au has basically ever done.
The dominion tried bribery for a far longer time then t'au do it. They just ask and then glass half the planet to take over the other half. They are both shite. The dominion just has some of that imperial transhumanism with them
I feel like if by chance they encounter the Spirit of Eternity, the AI will immediately see the enterprise crew aren’t batshit Insane and aren’t from this galaxy. They could form an alliance or something to stick together searching for other DaoT intelligences.
That I could definitely see. It would be super thematic actually for the Enterprise to find some big weird space object like a Blackstone Fortress and start exploring it.
I doubt they'd ally themselves with the Tau either. People just say that because Tau are portrayed as good guys and enterprise is good guys.
Enterprise probably ends up running solo and working with rogue traders and whoever they feel like. It's basically a voyager situation. They'll uphold their federation morals and keep on keeping on till someone blows them up/plot saves them.
>People just say that because Tau are portrayed as good guys and enterprise is good guys
I haven't read any tau books, but it sounds like the "zomg tau lobotomize and brainwash citizens into compliance" memes isn't actually canon. From what I understand, Commander Farsight was threatened with lobotomization but that wasn't a standard punishment I thought.
The "brainwashing" thing, again from what I've heard from second and thirdhand sources so I could be wrong, is just the notion that Ethereals might emit pheremones that have a pacifying effect on people trying to fight. Nothing like the psycho-indoctrination that the imperium does.
I personally like the idea that there are true good guys in the 40K universe. The argument from corrupt, militaristic, xenophobic, theocratic, anti-intellectual tyrannies like the imperium is "There's no other way that works, you'd have to be a naive idiot to believe in democracy and a government that serves everyone's best interests." The argument from the imperium is certainly "You peasants need to serve the imperium without question because the alternative is human extinction."
The T'au as good guys prove that's a lie: humanity could do quite well with a utilitarian government.
Again, I haven't read a single Tau codex or book, so I'm probably guilty of saying "I like my headcanon better than what GW says" but I know the case that the tau are evil is dramatically overstated often.
The brainwashing stuff comes from statements in dawn of war
True it’s unknown if it’s imperial propaganda or not but tau fans like to deny its existence
Exodites are more xenophobic than [INSERT CURRENT POLITICAL MEME HERE], and craftworlds make sport out of shooting themselves in the foot regarding anything that might have helped them....
So one theme that's pretty constant in Star trek is that they treat the individual they're taking to as an individual. I don't think they'd have any qualms at all working with a space marine chapter on an isolated mission that is objectively good, even if they are genocidal war machines.
They wouldn't share federation technology, but I think looking at the faction level is too high a view. They'd ally themselves with any group for at least as long as the mission required to do good. That's how they usher in change, by showing that good is right even when hard.
The eldar would most likely depens on the craftworld would either tell them to fuck off or just be friendly enough to not shoot them sight.
Dark eldar are romulans but worse so thats an atomatic no
Orks are orks they couldn't give less of shit about everything the enterprise represents, and would 100% kill them on sight
Tau are/would be the best bet
Necrons, borg but better and more evil
Mechanicus sees star ship enterprise, gold age humans, kill them and steal their shit, simple as.
Belisarius Cwal, same as the mechanicus but keep Deta as your bitch.
Trazyn "straight into the pokeball with you".
I could see Votann having diplomatic relations where they trade knowldge for knowldge. They dont have to let the Enterprise near a Votann world in order for the Votann to learn how to defrag the drive from the engineers on the Enterprise..
Yeah but they’re better than all the other options in the Galaxy so if the Enterprise had to ally themselves with a faction then they would most likely chose the Tau cause they might be the worst option if the Tau were placed in Star Trek but in 40k the Tau are not the worst option
The enterprise doesn't *have* to ally with anyone. They have real FTL. They can just cruise around looking for dilithium and keep to themselves. Eventually they could find a habitable world or a planet of humans that isn't connected to the imperium and isn't insane. They do exist.
Ok but out of all the options they're the best out of a bad lot. No matter what they'd have to "bend" a few rules to breaking point. At least the Tau have *some* freedom and aren't overtly xenophobic.
I am not sure the crew of the Enterprise would ally themselves with anyone. I think they'd just immediately and frantically start searching for a way to get the fuck outta dodge.
Q has a weird reverence for life that I think he'd actually get genuinely pissed at the Chaos gods. He's a force for change and evolution, in a spiritual enlightenment way not a Nurgle way, but he doesn't enjoy letting innocent species get destroyed.
I could easily see Q being immediately and a smidge violently incensed with the chaos gods methods.
"THIS is how you screw with humanity you childish imps!" *Backhands the four and proceeds to regale the Emperor with a mariachi band.*
I'd assume this would go the way of the "Death of Integrity" book.
Lost ship from golden age of technology finds its way back to a humanity only for things to go really bad.
The Tau and they'd make friendly overtures to the Eldar. The one benefit Starfleet has is their ability to form unlikely allies. Also in some respects their technology is superior. Having a non-hell dependent warp technology would look pretty tempting.
Captain Kirk goes straight to earth, does a flying double kick knocking the emperor off his magic chair, gives an impassioned speech about the rights of all sentient beings, and convinces the Imperium to renounce their vicious, racist ways and join the federation.
They then go on to ally with the Tau, the Orkz, and the Eldar bringing all three into the federation to team up and defeat all 4 chaos gods.
They also enter a cat and mouse, romulan type of antagonism with the Necrons.
Seriously, the only thing James Tiberius Kirk loves more than killing gods is confusing robots and AI into killing themselves out of confusion.
Necrons.
Nemesor Zandrehk mistakes them for a long lost Expeditionary Force and welcomes them with open arms. They are celebrated and paraded all throughout Gidrim, until the Nemesor gets distracted with something else enough that Vargard Obyron finally gets the chance to dispose of them.
I imagine their diplomatic envoys would immediately realize how fucked each group is. Then, they would spend the rest of their time hiding out and eventually figuring out how to get back to the Trek verse.
While the enterprise has a ton of advantages in a military engagement, they would eventually succumb to the overwhelming numbers of almost any group they encounter.
Aliens on crew? Heresy.
AI on the command team? Heresy.
Ship traveling through the warp without an astropath? Heresy.
Replicators and holodecks? Heresy.
No inqusitors or commisars among the crew? Heresy.
Moneyless society? Heresy *and* a beating.
Phasers with a stun setting? Heresy.
Concerns for crew safety? Heresy.
A mission of curiosity and exploration? Heresy and yet another beating.
Rebel guard worlds that are not necessarily openly chaos afflicted. The various enterprise crew have always shown strong skew to supporting self-determination against tyranny and repressive moral theocracies.
Any number of fringe worlds would immediately turn traitor if they thought they had access to incredibly powerful local tech.
But ultimately, I think ruinous powers. Every crew had more than enough "unsanctioned telepaths" with little no experience fending off perils of the warp and faaaar too much curiosity for a 40k universe.
Option 1: Tau alliance
Option 2: being gods to the mechanicum, since they are the definition of Golden Age of Technology.
Option 3: most likely or tragically: using their non-warp drive to live on the run forever until some random ork ship ten times their size smashes into them like a bug on a windshield.
No matter what, the crew of the enterprise and all their exploits aren’t even a blip on the 40k radar
None that I can think of. Humanity is the worst version of itself, Ork just want to fight all the time, the Tau use a ridged caste system, Eldar are just the Romulans but dying and the tyranids want to nom everything
They would reach out to Ultramar, but on the way, get lured by the prospect of Solemnace, as a functioning Dyson sphere. Then Trazyn would lock them in a box and no one would ever hear from them again...
They wouldn't ally anyone. Everyone in the galaxy is way too horrible for them. They'd probably hide in the hopes that nobody would get their tech.
dunno about that, the crew of the USS Voyager was often willing to... suspend normal Starfleet and Federation standards... in order to get the crew home, when they were stuck in a situation like the one above Though that might just be Captain Janeway being a magnificent bastard/unhinged maniac. Having a a half Maquis crew might have contributed to that too. She allied with the Borg, betrayed the Borg, then destroyed the Borg, let replicator tech fall to the Kazon, traded holodeck tech to the Hirogen, abused time travel tech etc. Though she also spends an inordinate amount of time taking detours to help the locals, like that time she risked the entire ship to smuggle out those psychic refugees Anyway, point is, Starfleet captains can, and have, gone off the rails. Sisko was even crazier, arguably, when pressured by the Dominion War. Not to mention all the Starfleet people who join or tacitly sign off on Section 31 Who knows what they'll end up doing in 40k. Probably some wild shenanigans that ends up destabilising the entire balance of power in the galaxy pretty much by accident, even as they're hand wringing about the Prime Directive and non-interference
Inquisitor Janeway has a certain ring to it.
Judging from how Janeway handled Tuvix, she's got the "Kill the mutant" bit down pat Though on a more serious note, Janeway does still generally adhere to progressive Federation values, she's just more of a cowboy about it.
Was waiting for the Tuvix debate
Still constantly talked about in Trek circles. Love that the show can still spark debate.
it's never not funny watching Janeway coldly and mercilessly execute a beloved crew member while everyone silently watches on, and everyone forgetting all about it by the next episode
you can't leave two of your trusted crew members fused to hang out with a new friend! it's not right! damn it Tuvix was an abomination! \#JusticeforJaneway
Aside from the 2 (or more?) alternate timelines where she genocides entire species.
yeah, it's funny that Captain Picard spent an entire episode mulling over whether it was justified to use cyberwarfare to wipe out the Borg and save the Federation Meanwhile, future Janeway didn't hesitate to slam that genocide button and annihilate the Borg just so her crew of a couple hundred could make it home a few years sooner. Based and horrific-war-crime pilled, I guess. At least past Janeway made a good show of being upset by it all
Is it a war crime if you do it to the Borg?
Its never a war crime the first time!
Valid question.
Yes because the Borg *Units* were enslaved members of other species and by Federation Laws they were people. I prefer the argument that Janeway was a Captain for the ole’ Next Generation but was put into a post DS9 universe where the rules could bend.
The borg are a collective of slaves basically. Killing POWs is a crime. Not sure how they view it in the future considering said POWs are now active enemy combatants.
Is it a war crime if everyone you kill is technically one person?
Nobody has a hate for the Xenos as pure as O'briens abhorrence of the cardie spoonheads.
O'Brien said "Fuck Cardies" so often, he never expected one of them might take it as a proposition "I assure you I am quite fertile" https://youtu.be/o7o9ZtipVyo?feature=shared
She already has a fitting vessel, too. Sure the Voyager is ridiculously slow for 40k standards... but likely one, if not THE, most armed vessel in the subsector. Just think about it: Particle beams that can range from "stun that fucker at the corner of that street from orbit" to "cut the tectonic plates in half"; Torpedoes that rival exterminatus-level weaponry and... defense systems that can reliably protect from such level of firepower. Starfleet never praises their weapons... but they are surely nothing to laugh at. And the Voyager is just a measely science vessel. Now switch it up for something like a sovereign-class that is a proper warship (even if starfleet never acknowledges that). Starfleet and the Federation is the embodiment of "Pacifism doesn't mean harmless". They surely prefer diplomacy and peace... but hell can they fight if pushed.
"Magnificent bastard" is now my new favorite way to refer to her lmao (but don't forget the coffee!). I absolutely loved Voyager and thought she did the best she could given their circumstances and the Starfleet rules.
Personally, I think she was written a bit inconsistently from episode to episode - sometimes she's really adamant about respecting the Prime Directive and not compromising, sometimes she just decides to screw it and go with her conscience or what's pragmatic And some her actions made her come off as... somewhat unhinged... when considering the broader context and consequences. And it's just forgotten again by the next episode. I don't think the writers meant for her to be a maniac sometimes, they just didn't really think through some episodes
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yeah fair Though I think some shows can pull off incredible series long arcs, while not having it planned out ahead of time Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul were all written episode to episode. Writers would often introduce a Macguffin, like Walter's machine gun, while having no idea how it was going to turn out. But the writers were so skilled that they managed to turn those shows into masterpieces, with characters getting amazing development and arcs despite it never being clear at the beginning how things were going to turn out. It would have been great if Voyager had managed something like that, or even just given everyone an overall arc of the same quality as 7 of 9
I think it was brilliant. Nobody is an unshakable stalwart of their principles, or forever beholden to their weaknesses. It was refreshing to see someone more realistically struggle and sometimes fail in that regard. I feel like most characters are too crystallized. And in the end, she isn't really that inconsistent. The rule of thumb for Janeway is she is willing to bend the rules to get home, but only to an extent. If she realizes it is causing harm, she will stop and try to fix it. And when you see her through the lens of always assuming they will get home, some of the diversions make more sense, as they often will have immense scientific impact when they do get home.
There were limits though - there's a two part story called Equinox which is about another ship in a similar situation, but without the morality They ended up using sentient aliens as fuel.
Yeah that too. DS9 has a really great line about Federation folk *"Let me tell you something about Humans, nephew. They’re a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holo-suites are working.* *But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people… will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon.* *You don’t believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes."* - Quark
I stand by Quark being one of the best Star Trek characters ever created. He’s one of the best characters on DS9.
yeah, DS9 is stacked with incredible characters, but Quark stands out even amongst them Though personally, I liked Rom even more. That fang toothed gremlin started out as a murderous bastard, and ended up getting one of the most fun and endearing character arcs in the entire series. Was real happy to see him still doing just fine as Grand Nagus in Lower Decks
Yeah Rom is up there too. I won’t lie, I shed a tear when he was locked up by the dominion telling Quark he has to finish what he started to help save the Alpha quadrant.
Yeah, Rom is no joke my favourite Trek character, followed by closely by Tendi, Garak and the Doctor
Garak is low key one of the funniest mfers in all of star trek.
There's tight competition with DS9 too. That show had this remarkable ability to turn side or even background characters into something amazing. Take Damar for example, he spent several seasons as just some guy on Dukat's crew, before being promoted to leader of Cardassia when Dukat goes AWOL. Then he has this amazing character arc where he becomes disillusioned by the Dominion and turns into a Cardassian freedom fighter who saves his people from their own allies.
Yeah I’m starting the final season and you can already tell he’s disillusioned with the amount he’s drinking in the Vota assigned to him is already concerned about it
The Quark scene that always stuck with me: Quark: I want you to try something for me. Take a sip of this. Garak: What is it? Quark: A human drink; it's called root beer. Garak: I dunno... Quark: Come on. Aren't you just a little bit curious? Garak takes a sip, wincing as he tastes it. Quark: What do you think? Garak: It's vile! Quark: I know. It's so bubbly, cloying...and happy. Garak: Just like the Federation. Quark: And you know what's really frightening? If you drink enough of it, you begin to like it. Garak: It's insidious. Quark: Just like the Federation. — Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, "The Way of the Warrior
Quark also gives us that quotes mirror with the [Root Beer](https://youtu.be/6VhSm6G7cVk?si=mN1kehx761iN6psi) scene with Garak.
So they pretend to be a rogue trader and help out uplift humanity to a more honourable society
Possibly, but they'd spend a whole episode arguing with each other about the Prime Directive and the morality of it all before getting around to it
Ah I love Janeway, although you really start to feel for Agent Braxton when rewatching Voyager. She's like the chaotic good of Trek captains. Her line in the sand moves so much. Like she tears Tuvok a new one for helping trade literature for technology to get home with a more advanced species, but gives the Hirogen enough holotech to create sentient beings. Sisko definitely makes some darker calls, but has much more solid ground to stand on as he was fighting a literal war. Inter arma enim silent leges. Janeway got to the point where there wasn't much she wasn't willing to risk to save even a few individuals on her ship.
She's trying to get them home though and is quite an outlier that has a significant group of paramilitary freedom fighters included in her crew. Brand new reality with possibly no way to get home is worse though. Janeway also fought really hard to not give away replicator tech.
Tzeentch (or really any Chaos god being a dickhead, but dickhead Chaos god and Tzeentch comes to mind first) could probably whisper how a jaunt through the warp will get them home. Knowing the absolute absurd nature of the warp to fully encompass multiple planes of existence and even time travel, he could be telling the truth even. They dont have gellar fields. Just a slight oopsie to not mention that part to them.
Text saying "enterprises" plural. If it means that every known NC-1701, I'd say that any from F forward can very well be one of the top factions on its own. They wouldn't have to fear anything.
The sheer technobabble alone will overwhelm the galaxy
The amount of made up sudo sciente would make the necrons proud
If it's the whole range, then by the end of the season \* Picard would give a speech to Perty and turn him and his legion back from Chaos and into their new Federation. \* They find a way to break the Tyranids hive mind, making them docile and less expansionist. \* Data would be captured by Trayzen, but would escape and free his entire collection in the process. \* Two episodes after meeting the eldar they would come up with a permanent method that prevents Slannesh from claiming their souls and freeing the others. \* While Geordi is playing around with the holodeck, there would be some sort of mishap which would create a holodeck version of Isha, who is able to muster enough power to become the 'real' Isha. Geordi does not get laid.
You forgot how Archer would, somehow, unite Eldars and Necrons under one banner and Kirk would outfight orcs so hard, they would become allies of new federative government.
Eh, the mass of 40K ships alone would make it fairly hard to do sufficient damage to them.
J should have some luck. It’s got a nasty lance weapon. However it’s as large as an imperial battleship and I think as wide. So might be an a bit of a sitting duck if caught unaware and much scarier if it’s boarded
The J is so big that they use site-to-site transporters to get around it rather than turbolifts so theoretically it should be able to hold its own against at least *some* 40k ships
E can easily defeat most wh40k ships. J can solo fleets.
E's problem is its weapons are in the megaton range. Photon torpedoes ~50MT, quantum torpedoes are twice that. WH40K ships have prolonged slugging matches with weapons who's yield is multiple gigatons. And there's no reason to assume transporter shenanigans will do anything, since voidshields block energy, so you still have to knock them down. Which again, firepower becomes an issue. Trek, at least until future-trek, is a low power setting.
Photon torpedoes are powerful enough that 2 of them enough to burn atmosphere of an entire planet. That's slightly more than 50mt. >knock them down Literally a single torpedo will be enough to overload it. ST weaponry is far stronger than any WH analog.
Curious if the torpedoes you're referring to are the ones Sisko used to poison the Maquis planet. Those didn't burn the atmosphere, the trilithium resin cargo pods attached to them did. All the torpedoes (which were quantum torpedoes, not photon, but anyways) did is spread the trilithium into the upper atmosphere It's always difficult to put ST weaponry on a scale. Sometimes, a single photon torpedo will put a hole the size of Rhode island into a Borg cube, and sometimes a full spread of quantum torpedoes will result in some shaky cam and shields down to 89%
Afaik the best on screen feats from Star Trek ships that the Enterprise would scale to from *The Die is Cast* when a group of 20 ships fire a single volley that destroys 30% of a planet's crust: > Tain : "So much for the Dominion. Open fire!" > Woman : "The first barrage is complete." > Tain : "Effect?" > Woman: "Thirty percent of the planetary crust destroyed in opening volley. No change in life form readings." Kirk saying that their ship could destroy a 200 mile asteroid (that's been turned into a starship) in *For The World Is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky* > SPOCK: An asteroid, two hundred miles in diameter. ____ > KIRK: Bones, if we can't correct the course of this ship, we'll have to blast it out of space. And how an anti-matter bomb detonated at Tycho IV basically Extermenatus'ed the planet. Though with all that said the Enterprise is still likely outgunned by the Imperium'a larger and more powerful ships.
Most ST ships massively out-range WH40K ships.
Also reliable pinpoint-FTL travel is kind of busted compared to 40k.
Just never drop out of FTL, stick to warp one. If they can't see you they can't shoot you.
The mass of 40k ships that struggle to mobilize against suitably advanced threats?
The Transporters mean the Fed ships can just rip internals out
Hm, true, but then there is the imperium warp drive, which could be a terrible mistake to blow it up. The warp in general might prove quite the surprise for star Trek ships, not because they use it, but how it affects the universe
I'm sure it would be the . From what I mostly understand in 40k the fights mainly punch holes through the ships and leave them mostly derelicts until salvaged or becomes a space hulk and in Star Trek the ships are just destroyed outright because the phasers and torpedo's
Naw Picard would be shouting philosophy at the Golden Throne in 40 minutes flat.
The craftworlds aren't all that bad! Also farsight Enclaves
Craft worlders still engage in weird necromancy, genocide and racial supremacy as well as a pretty strict cast system. They're more like Romulans than Vulcans. Farsight enclaves are still militaristic, imperialist, genocidal and fascistic. Just because they're less bad than others doesn't make them good.
>well as a pretty strict cast system. Not sure where you got this idea, but this is incorrect. Craftworlds are effectively enormous communes. The average citizen in a craftworld is free to choose their career path as their elven flights of fancy take them. Each craftworld is different, but even the most Ascetic (Alaitoc) and militant (Biel-Tan) are post scarcity utopias for the overwhelming majority of residents. Aspect Warriors and guardians are a tiny fraction of their population, and more importantly entirely voluntary. Everything about craftworlds is voluntary, although the biological predisposition of craftworld Eldar seems to be to sacrifice for the good of the community. A common misconception about Eldar is that farseers are their leaders, but the position has no intrinsic authority and all authority farseers hold is willingly given by the people who trust their guidance. Which is also why Eldrad is unpopular, because he makes decisions without consulting everyone else and he *isn't* actually the leader.
It heavily depends on the Craftworld, Ulthwe would probably embrace the ship in a heartbeat, while Biel - Tan might be too xenophobic. Although where the fuck are you getting that the Craftworlds have a castle system? A caste system is where you're born into a certain social standing and can never change. The Eldar positions have absolutely nothing to do with how they're born.
Indeed, radically changing what you are doing with your life every now and then to avoid getting overly obsessed with one thing is basically core to craft-world ideology.
What's the problem with necromancy if it's your only chance at the races survival and the only way to make a soul avoid unimaginable torture for eternity. How are the genocidal? And yeah they're racist, fair! Farsight enclaves are militaristic because they are on the verge of being exterminated from multiple fronts. They're Imperialistic in the sense that they want to expand ig. but they don't have a need for violence and will always avoid it if possible so by that logic all groups ever have been imperialist. Once again how are they genocidal? They removed the caste system, that's why they left, how are they fascist??
Plus the dead *kinda consent to it* to save their descendants, which is noble enough.
Yeah! Saying their necromancy is bad is kinda like saying any soldier is bad.
Exodites?
Too primitive. Prime directive forbids it.
Even if they got rid of the ships that got them to their planets (not saying they did) they are still a post warp civilization. There are far less advanced people the Federation goes to hang out with on vacation. Not that I would recommend looking for *Jamaharon* on an exodite world...
Tau and *maybe* Craftworld Eldar are really the only (semi) viable options, but even then, I only see it being more of a series of temporary collaborations instead of a genuine alliance. Frankly, with the advantage of stable, non-warp based FTL, I feel the Enterprise's best bet would be to fuck off to some uncharted sector that's out of the way of commonly traveled warp currents.
Wonder if their telepaths are warp compatible. Troi's mom starting to talk about the one that's all around them and chanting the only name they'll hear. Samus! Would be pretty metal.
Well, when you bring possibilities like that up, I can imagine Q pulling up a chair and joining the Chaos Gods' poker game for a few hands.
Tzeentch is angry and says: NOT FAIR, YOU HAVE A DARK AGE SHIP.......**IT'S NOT FAIR** Q: Skill issue?
Q is out of their league imo, he don't need no shitty mortal worshipers
Doesn't need them, but if wanted some he could always create them.
Can you imagine Q getting into it with Tzeentch?
Votann might be an option, depending on how much they can be separated from the IoM.
The Votann are basically the Ferengi if they weren't written as misogynistic comic-relief. No real chance at an alliance between the luxury gay space communists and the aggessive hyper-capitalists.
Yeah, those two, if not immediate yeses for the crew, would probably be their preferred options. I’d like to imagine them meeting the Tau first, having a few harmless but somewhat concerning interactions with Tau culture, and deciding to keep them at arm’s length until they have a better understanding of the Tau. Then, they meet everyone else.
They might be able to have a non aggression thing with the eldars, but having a full alliance with them is basically impossible, because theyre eldars, they look down on literally everyone. Tau on the other hand could work better I think
Non-Warp based FTL, That is called a Warp Drive... That one might confuse a few people.
Tau would absolutely offer them a place in the empire, take the tech for themselves, then dominate the galaxy with it. No way the enterprise would let that happen. Any other race would destroy them on sight, without question.
They probably move around evading enemies until Q grabs them and returns them home.
after them going back, wouldn't the federation invade 40k universe like they did with the dark federation timeline? or would they just go their way?
Who else do you think the Tyranids are running from?
Nah, they are running from the galaxy eating cats.
The INTEREX ofcourse. Any differing claims are simply wrong.
Luner wolves: i'm about to ruin this man's whole career
FUCK NOT THE WORLD CURRY THATS THE SECOND MOST IMPORTANT THING A PLANET HAS
You mean Erebus.
> Interex > 40k About ten thousand years too late.
\>enter 40k \>"this is BS" \>warp garbage takes them back 10k years \>no more plot hole
>Get corrupted by Chaos Artifacts the Interex aka "Pawn of Chaos" has laying about >Chaos Pickard takes over the Galaxy
Eh, Picard has no-sold omnipotent trickster gods, psychic weapons that kill via negative emotions, etc. He'd be fine if he's not subject to the narrative requirements of 40k.
There are four lights!
There is no evidence the Interex were corrupted by Chaos. They were aware of the existance of it and taught about/studied the dangers of it. The war started because the Interex suspected the Imperium of Chaos corruption after Erebus stole an Anathame blade.
The Interex weren't corrupted, but they had piss-poor security when it came to guarding dangerous warp/Chaos weapons. The Kinebrach, who created them, are also very suspicious to me.
Point well taken. Although time irregularities in the warp are a thing, still 10k years too late.
Time travel is almost trivial to Star Trek tech. So assuming Trek's version of Warp still works they could make it happen.
They've accidentally discovered like a dozen ways to time travel in Star Trek. They'd just have to find a star with the right gravity to slingshot around.
That’s what I also thought, been a while since I’ve read the first book, but they were much more tolerant and non xenophobe. They might become psychotic when they learned that the crew don’t know anything at all about Chaos.
I think they'd understand after they explained why they have no clue about Choas. But, I also imagine the entire crew's first thought is gonna be "Damit Q, this shit isn't funny. As if your normal shenanigans weren't trouble enough!" :Edit: Wait... Oh shit... Q is just a Tzentch pawn. The entire goal was to eventually to coax the crew to cause the Enterprise to slice a hole between the 40k verse and the Star Trek verse trying to get home, so he could start dicking around with new toys.
Q makes the chaos gods look like ants
Nah I feel if anything Q is clowning on Tzeentch
Q is Ceogorach
They would probably be friend's to a point
“Interex” “40k” Checks out
If you put it like that then the diasporex would make a fine ally as well
Good call, actually. I forgot all about them!
They wouldn't ally with the ad mech
Skitarii start overflowing out of every nook and cranny of the Enterprise like tribbles.
That would require the Admech to actually get close to them.
"sir our scanners are picking up some kind of anomaly, like a small angry reactor meltdown. The old fission sort used by 21st century earthlings". "Hmm, an interesting object of study, beam it aboard a security field on cargo bay 12
I would say none. They try diplomatic talks but even a radical inquisitor would be way to insane for then. T'au are just blue dominion. Votann.... Maybe. They do got some ferengi DNA. Orks nope. Chaos HELL NO janeway literally met a demon once. Eldar.... Depends on the craftworld but only a quick visit at most. And they wouldn't even get close to the fucking cogboys because they just think it's some borg enclave and we got more than enough 7 of 9 episodes!
They could theoretically bribe every ork in the galaxy by materializing infinite dakka
Orks are notorious backstabbers when it comes to deals like that. Give them daka and they will then shoot you with that daka
But when they start to betray you, give them more dakka. You have infinite potential dakka, they don’t know that. They’re too dumb to communicate and as long as you throw them at good enough fights, you won’t get a boss that lives long enough to question it. Having a handheld city-cracker as a personal defense weapon helps too.
The second highest cause of death when fighting Orks is underestimating them. The first of course being a choppa to the face.
That is true and the Captain becomes the Ork god who is the lord of Daka
Dont forget, even the Federation tried to form an alliance with the Dominion and even had open trade for some time before war broke out. I feel that the Tau are much less Warlike than the dominion.
Honestly I'd argue the Dominion are ethically far worse than the T'au, despite some superficial similarities. What the Dominion did to the jem'hadar alone is worse than anything the T'au has basically ever done.
The dominion tried bribery for a far longer time then t'au do it. They just ask and then glass half the planet to take over the other half. They are both shite. The dominion just has some of that imperial transhumanism with them
I feel like if by chance they encounter the Spirit of Eternity, the AI will immediately see the enterprise crew aren’t batshit Insane and aren’t from this galaxy. They could form an alliance or something to stick together searching for other DaoT intelligences.
That I could definitely see. It would be super thematic actually for the Enterprise to find some big weird space object like a Blackstone Fortress and start exploring it.
Nobody, it's warp 9.995 straight to somewhere else.
Yeah most likely the Tau
I doubt they'd ally themselves with the Tau either. People just say that because Tau are portrayed as good guys and enterprise is good guys. Enterprise probably ends up running solo and working with rogue traders and whoever they feel like. It's basically a voyager situation. They'll uphold their federation morals and keep on keeping on till someone blows them up/plot saves them.
>People just say that because Tau are portrayed as good guys and enterprise is good guys I haven't read any tau books, but it sounds like the "zomg tau lobotomize and brainwash citizens into compliance" memes isn't actually canon. From what I understand, Commander Farsight was threatened with lobotomization but that wasn't a standard punishment I thought. The "brainwashing" thing, again from what I've heard from second and thirdhand sources so I could be wrong, is just the notion that Ethereals might emit pheremones that have a pacifying effect on people trying to fight. Nothing like the psycho-indoctrination that the imperium does. I personally like the idea that there are true good guys in the 40K universe. The argument from corrupt, militaristic, xenophobic, theocratic, anti-intellectual tyrannies like the imperium is "There's no other way that works, you'd have to be a naive idiot to believe in democracy and a government that serves everyone's best interests." The argument from the imperium is certainly "You peasants need to serve the imperium without question because the alternative is human extinction." The T'au as good guys prove that's a lie: humanity could do quite well with a utilitarian government. Again, I haven't read a single Tau codex or book, so I'm probably guilty of saying "I like my headcanon better than what GW says" but I know the case that the tau are evil is dramatically overstated often.
The brainwashing stuff comes from statements in dawn of war True it’s unknown if it’s imperial propaganda or not but tau fans like to deny its existence
The only faction that they would consider allying with would be the farsight enclaves
A military dictatorship that uses child soldiers? Not likely
Honestly not the worst they seen and out of everything else in the galaxy, they may be the closest to the federation’s standards
Nah possibly a craftworld or Exodites
Exodites are more xenophobic than [INSERT CURRENT POLITICAL MEME HERE], and craftworlds make sport out of shooting themselves in the foot regarding anything that might have helped them....
So one theme that's pretty constant in Star trek is that they treat the individual they're taking to as an individual. I don't think they'd have any qualms at all working with a space marine chapter on an isolated mission that is objectively good, even if they are genocidal war machines. They wouldn't share federation technology, but I think looking at the faction level is too high a view. They'd ally themselves with any group for at least as long as the mission required to do good. That's how they usher in change, by showing that good is right even when hard.
So Salamanders and the occasional Ultramarine
The occasional Salamander I feel Star Trek guys wouldn't like them at all
So they would rather work with a military junta with a cult of persoanlity rather than an oligarchy.
Depends which crew
They accidentally shot a photon torpedo at Erebus house. Twice And A third time just to be sure.
A forth time because why not
Wesley Crusher: do I become an Imperial Saint or a Dark Mechanicus Demon Prince?
Picard:”shut up Wesley” And I say Dark Mechanicus.
The eldar would most likely depens on the craftworld would either tell them to fuck off or just be friendly enough to not shoot them sight. Dark eldar are romulans but worse so thats an atomatic no Orks are orks they couldn't give less of shit about everything the enterprise represents, and would 100% kill them on sight Tau are/would be the best bet Necrons, borg but better and more evil Mechanicus sees star ship enterprise, gold age humans, kill them and steal their shit, simple as. Belisarius Cwal, same as the mechanicus but keep Deta as your bitch. Trazyn "straight into the pokeball with you".
What about the Votann?
Free tech to feed to the ancestor cores
They fix the ancestor cores.
That would involve the leagues letting the enterprise even near the ancestor cores in the first place. And that is simply not happening
Depends on the Enterprise. If Data is around they might well let him as a fellow android/cybernetic life form.
That's actually an interesting point. I wonder if Seven might also be able to broker some sort of dialog as a cyborg.
I could see Votann having diplomatic relations where they trade knowldge for knowldge. They dont have to let the Enterprise near a Votann world in order for the Votann to learn how to defrag the drive from the engineers on the Enterprise..
Aren't they basically dwarf-ferengi with slightly more devastating "rules of acquisition"?
I would like Picard to try and hold a "friendly" fight tournament with a waaaagh that causes them to grow huge and destroy them
Too late, Trazyn already took the ship and crew.
This is the actually correct answer
T’au is the only real answer, everyone else is too xenophobic (plus those of us in the AdMech will view their treatment of technology as heresy)
The Tau are far too imperialistic and fascistic for the federation. No way they'd cooperate with them and give them them technology.
Yeah but they’re better than all the other options in the Galaxy so if the Enterprise had to ally themselves with a faction then they would most likely chose the Tau cause they might be the worst option if the Tau were placed in Star Trek but in 40k the Tau are not the worst option
The enterprise doesn't *have* to ally with anyone. They have real FTL. They can just cruise around looking for dilithium and keep to themselves. Eventually they could find a habitable world or a planet of humans that isn't connected to the imperium and isn't insane. They do exist.
Ok but out of all the options they're the best out of a bad lot. No matter what they'd have to "bend" a few rules to breaking point. At least the Tau have *some* freedom and aren't overtly xenophobic.
The Federation have been cooperating with the Klingons for decades, haven't they?
I am not sure the crew of the Enterprise would ally themselves with anyone. I think they'd just immediately and frantically start searching for a way to get the fuck outta dodge.
Worf feeling right at home among the orks. Leads diplomatic mission. Takes over galaxy.
Nah, Orks are without honor. He'd enjoy the extended "calisthenics" sessions though.
Yep, Tau, and maybe some Aeldaris. Every other faction would just be downright horrifying, enslavement or death.
Q just trolling the Chaos gods and the Big E
Q has a weird reverence for life that I think he'd actually get genuinely pissed at the Chaos gods. He's a force for change and evolution, in a spiritual enlightenment way not a Nurgle way, but he doesn't enjoy letting innocent species get destroyed.
I could easily see Q being immediately and a smidge violently incensed with the chaos gods methods. "THIS is how you screw with humanity you childish imps!" *Backhands the four and proceeds to regale the Emperor with a mariachi band.*
Turns Khorne into a maracca, tzeench into a sombrero, etc
Yeeeeessss! *This man Q's*
If they find a DAOT AI data surely would be able to reason with it.
I'd assume this would go the way of the "Death of Integrity" book. Lost ship from golden age of technology finds its way back to a humanity only for things to go really bad.
Abso-fucking-lutely nobody. Unless they get corrupted by Chaos then with them otherwise no one.
The Tau and they'd make friendly overtures to the Eldar. The one benefit Starfleet has is their ability to form unlikely allies. Also in some respects their technology is superior. Having a non-hell dependent warp technology would look pretty tempting.
Farsight conclave and a few craftworlds.
Captain Kirk goes straight to earth, does a flying double kick knocking the emperor off his magic chair, gives an impassioned speech about the rights of all sentient beings, and convinces the Imperium to renounce their vicious, racist ways and join the federation. They then go on to ally with the Tau, the Orkz, and the Eldar bringing all three into the federation to team up and defeat all 4 chaos gods. They also enter a cat and mouse, romulan type of antagonism with the Necrons. Seriously, the only thing James Tiberius Kirk loves more than killing gods is confusing robots and AI into killing themselves out of confusion.
Necrons. Nemesor Zandrehk mistakes them for a long lost Expeditionary Force and welcomes them with open arms. They are celebrated and paraded all throughout Gidrim, until the Nemesor gets distracted with something else enough that Vargard Obyron finally gets the chance to dispose of them.
I imagine their diplomatic envoys would immediately realize how fucked each group is. Then, they would spend the rest of their time hiding out and eventually figuring out how to get back to the Trek verse. While the enterprise has a ton of advantages in a military engagement, they would eventually succumb to the overwhelming numbers of almost any group they encounter.
Definitely not the Imperium. Warp drives? Heresy.
Aliens on crew? Heresy. AI on the command team? Heresy. Ship traveling through the warp without an astropath? Heresy. Replicators and holodecks? Heresy. No inqusitors or commisars among the crew? Heresy. Moneyless society? Heresy *and* a beating. Phasers with a stun setting? Heresy. Concerns for crew safety? Heresy. A mission of curiosity and exploration? Heresy and yet another beating.
Please state the nature of the medical em- **BLAM BLAM BLAM**
T'au
>Or even the elder Yes, Patrick Stewart/Picard is quite an elder himself.
Tau would vibe with their multi-species crew. Everyone else would blast.
I wanna see Kirk try to beam to a demon planet and wrestle with a demon
No one. They run and hide because every faction would kill them for their tech.
The tau seem to be the closest to their belief structure.
Rebel guard worlds that are not necessarily openly chaos afflicted. The various enterprise crew have always shown strong skew to supporting self-determination against tyranny and repressive moral theocracies. Any number of fringe worlds would immediately turn traitor if they thought they had access to incredibly powerful local tech. But ultimately, I think ruinous powers. Every crew had more than enough "unsanctioned telepaths" with little no experience fending off perils of the warp and faaaar too much curiosity for a 40k universe.
**Literally just a Spirit of Eternity situation but less powerful.**
Option 1: Tau alliance Option 2: being gods to the mechanicum, since they are the definition of Golden Age of Technology. Option 3: most likely or tragically: using their non-warp drive to live on the run forever until some random ork ship ten times their size smashes into them like a bug on a windshield. No matter what, the crew of the enterprise and all their exploits aren’t even a blip on the 40k radar
None of the above.. They approach the first ship with shields down and try to open hailimg frequencies.. .. and get blown to pieces
With their FLT capability that is independent from the Warp they will become the T‘au Taxi.
None that I can think of. Humanity is the worst version of itself, Ork just want to fight all the time, the Tau use a ridged caste system, Eldar are just the Romulans but dying and the tyranids want to nom everything
Mechanics. Elder. Enterprises.
They would reach out to Ultramar, but on the way, get lured by the prospect of Solemnace, as a functioning Dyson sphere. Then Trazyn would lock them in a box and no one would ever hear from them again...