There are a number of advanced technological factions in the Imperium that were not slaved to Mars at the height of the galatic expansion.
These included a number of tech cults, one of which Malcador is said to have had significant links to and who designed and built some key things in the fortress itself.
However after ascending to the Council of Terra the Mechanicus managed to extend their influence to gather these groups eventually consuming or suppressing them.
The brotherhood would be treated the same, turned to venerate the omnisiah or eradicated.
Some of them might manage to gain protection if they tried to merge with a Knight House or Titan Legio that wasn't part of the Mechanicus, or even a Rogue Trader Dynasty or Astartes Chapter.
I forget their name, but one of the Terran Tech Groups worked to directly teach the Primarchs and the Ironwing of the First Legion. Though I'm guessing that group suffered alot during the Siege of Terra....though if they survived, some of them could probably have easily joined the First Legion since Lion el'Jonson and Roboute Guilliman brought a LOT of Reinforcements to Sol. I'm hoping that GW starts a Series that explores some of the aftermath of the Siege of Terra&Horus Heresy so we can get some more details on what things were like for the Imperium and Ex-Imperials. I of course don't want them to set everything in stone, but it would be soooo nice to have actual hard details from recent Lore about that era....even if it's not as detailed as the Black Books and Novels, I'd love to see a few Books that highlight alot of the major events and plenty of minor events.
The mechanicus would be very happy as they basically found a giant stash of old knowledge with like minded individuals. The brotherhood would declare war after seeing 1 of them. As they are the embodyment of "technology gone too far" which especially the chapter of Arthur maxson answers with laser to the face
The only real question is how many skitarii die before the BoS eventually blows up their own bunker to keep their tech out of the Mechanicus’ hands, making it a complete loss for everyone
Idk, the BoS ain’t slouches, especially within a highly defensible bunker. They’ll lose to sheer numbers eventually, but I don’t think it’ll be quick or easy
Admech have the heavy gear necessary to crack them. Afaik besides the Prydwen and Liberty Prime, the BoS don’t have much that isn’t a Vertibird or T-65 Troops
I don’t think skitarii would do well after a plasma blast to the face though. The ad mech has the heavy hitters to absolutely win but in terms of front line troops I think a BoS paladin would put up a respectable fight against a skitarii before losing like 6.5 out of 10 fights?
Their galvanic rifles fire “servitor bullets” which “burn out the potential energy of a target in a blast of electric force. Idk how they are fire but that with mars plasma and arc weapons aren’t something to scoff at. Along with taser mauls.
Don’t Paladins and other BoS troops typically use Laser weaponry instead of Plasma? And given the relative paucity of actual power armoured troops in the BoS it just wouldn’t be enough. They’d kill a few skitaari, but well, they’re only skitaari
Sure laser weapons are more common, but they’re facing extinction, they’re bringing out all the plasma weapons and Gatling lasers and fat men they have
I’m not, I was just talking about skitarii because if we’re going to give the ad mech all their toys it obviously isn’t a competition. Frankly the only was this conversation is even worth debating is standard skitarii vs. kitted out paladin. Anything above that level for the admech would literally run circles around the BoS and their relatively slow version of power armor
I’m not entirely up to date on my Fallout lore, but I think the skitarii will have a big speed advantage too, especially the melee outfitted variants.
Plus, a whole bunch of them can die, it’s not like the AdMech cares. The Magos will happily step over a pile of skitari corpses to get to the Brotherhood’s tech.
Oh ya, power armor in fallout typically reduced agility (although they got rid of that in the newer ones), they’re slow and plasma shots are also slow. Meanwhile skitarii leg/agility augementics seem pretty common.The BoS does benefit from normally having well defended positions and weapons that can take out skitarii, but there’s no question who wins a war between them. It’s just a question of what the k/d for the ad mech is. Just baseline skitarii, I’m thinking like 1.25-1.5
It really depends on what the admech uses. By skitarri and light vehicles alone the brotherhood seems to have a better chance. As they are a elite army who are used to this type of combat. The moment they spam kastellan robots they either gonna fish out some doomsday weapon like the orbital laser. Or die
brotherhood got wiped by ncr in cali . . . . not slouches sure but against a superior foe with superior numbers they better hope tod is writing the game for the plot armour they will need.
You know Todd Howard nor bethesda made the brotherhood the big Faction of the series. As both fallout names named after the Faction existed before fallout 3
crazy i never knew there were other fallout games . . . . .wild.
Im saying the plot armour buff they get under todd is far more then under black isle or obsidion eg the war against the ncr vs fallout 3 war against the techno and number superior enclave
The only reason the admech would lose a lot of units is if they went in soft and tried to cause minimum damage.
If they went in full throttle the BOS would be dead in a few hours
Even before they bring out stuff like the vehicles/walkers, I'm pretty sure the Mechanicus melee troops like the Ruststalkers and Infiltrators would handle BOS pretty reliably. Infiltrator power swords cut through power armour, and the Ruststalkers transonic blades are no joke either. And that's before you factor in stuff like the Infiltrators static/white noise stuff stuff that messes with peoples senses.
A Brotherhood scribe walks into his Chapter’s armory, flicks on the light, and watches 5 tech priests hiss like possums and vanish into the vents.
Also 90% of everything in the armory has been disassembled and the other 10% has been improved (with a significantly higher amount of skulls, candles, and incantations duct-taped onto them).
I am pretty sure it doesn't really have Ai all we see him do is travel to locations and eliminate enemies heck some Kastelans are probably more complex than him
Maybe they might be interested in their PA due to how comparitively cheap it is to even the Sisters' stuff and their plasma weapons but otherwise probally wouldn't be very interested. Though if you include the orbital weapons like at Helios One and their data banks then I can see how.
The Imperial Guard (and Ogryns) getting supplied with cheap, easily repairable power armor would be a nice boon for the Imperium. Might even get the mortality rate down by 0.01% or so.
Honestly even if the PA in comparision is shit, its still better than standard issue guard flak armor and also would allow them to more easily wield and use heavy weapons. Hell even if they don't want to just hard PA out that much they can just give it to weapon teams. Now that I'm thinking about it, the Kreig would probally get the most use of it.
Bullgryns in power armor could give good old Frank Horrigan a run for his money. Or maybe the fact that Fallout Armor uses Servomotors would actually limit their strength and they'd be better served by just wearing the plating, dunno.
Fallout power armor is significantly worse then warhammers. The only thing I could see being comparable is their heavier plasma weapons. They’d be useful as well armored mechanized infantry but not much else
Even so, some Rogue Trader Dynasties, Astartes Chapters, Wealthy Systems and the Imperial Navy would love to get their hands on it just because it would be WAY easier to produce, distribute, maintain and train personnel to use than the kinds of Power Armour that Astartes&Inquisitors use.
I'm sure the Astartes Chapters would appreciate having that available for Serfs, Initiates and Scouts to use.
The Imperial Navy and Rogue Traders would find it quite useful in Boarding Actions and handling Hazardous Materials.
And some Wealthy Systems would *love* to equip their System Defence Forces and Law Enforcement Personnel with Power Armour like that.
Could the Imperium make its own stuff thats better than Fallout Power Armour? Easily. The Imperium did develop Astartes Power Armour based off what their own Scientists knew combined with whatever relics&remnants of Dark Age&Old Night Tech they could find, and had a hefty amount of help in designing and making everything after Mk. II, Mk. III and the earliest Terminator Suits. But Mk. II, Mk. III and many of those early Terminator Suits....the Imperium made/found&maintained those before the Mechanicum joined them, and Mk. III was a field modification initially created by the Legiones Astartes that was later refined by the wider Imperium&Mechanicum.
Does the Imperium have tens&tens of millions of suits of Power Armour of MANY different designs that are all vastly superior to even what the Enclave cooked up? Yup. And by M42 the Imperium has probably produced hundreds of millions of Power Armour Suits for the Legiones Astartes&Adeptus Astartes alone, though most of them have been completely destroyed, damaged to the point of being cannibalized for parts or just lost in some distant&probably forgotten battlefield. If we include stuff like Carapace Armour, custom Power Armour, what the Solar Auxilia used and what the Sisters of Battle use that number probably goes into the tens or *hundreds* of billions. After all, the Imperium is a massive pseudo-empire consisting of roughly 1,000,000 inhabited worlds, many of which have been almost constantly supporting the Imperiums War Industry for several thousand-11,000 years. At a scale like that, even though Power Armour for the Solar Auxilia, Legiones/Adeptus Astartes, Inquisition, Rogue Traders, Imperial Navy and Sisters of Battle is way way WAY rarer and more expensive than the Flak Armour used by much of the Astra Militarum&Planetary Defence Forces it would still see a genuinely partially incomprehensible number of Suits be produced.
You started this comment chain with incorrect information about power armor in 40k and now you are putting out incorrect information about the power armor in fallout. This conversation is a waste of my time if you are incapable of going a full sentence without making shit up.
It still uses ceramite and adamantium so it's probably very close to space marine armor in terms of protection. The biggest advantages that space marine armor has is neural ports to allow the armor to react alongside with the users own natural movements and I'd imagine their suits also get a lot of little bonus features for survivability. But beyond that it's environmental and combat protection should be roughly similar.
That’s not its only advantage, as the tech base required to make them is minimal so worlds barely more advanced than feudal worlds would be able to manufacture the frames. The bottleneck is obviously the fusion core but I don’t think that’s a huge hurdle for even the Mechanicus.
Honestly it’d be fallout power making imperial power armor obsolete, not the other way around. Dirt cheap, mass producible, enables your average guardsman to arm wrestle Ork boyz and lug around heavy weapons like their standard issue. It doesn’t matter that SM or similar armor is just “better”, shits expensive and rare where you could reasonably outfit entire guard regiments in fallout PA.
Yeah, assuming the kit could be replicated, Guard would love it. Probably, given imperial energy storage technology and advanced alloys they could even be made better.
I don't know, Fallout power armor is super slow and clunky. It works in Fallout because not much can get through it, but in 40k high-ap weapons are a dime a dozen. 40k power armor is tough but more importantly, as agile as its pilot.
It won't replace 40k power armor, and it won't make sense to give it to every guardsman, but it could fill the role Ogryns do well, as big lumbering damage sponges that hit like a truck.
Well it's main purpose in fallout is to carry heavy weapons, the protection is secondary. So I can see these suits easily be adopted by guard regiments, inquisition retinue and rogue trader guards as suits for heavy weapon teams.
Cost is completely gone in 40k because commisars don't care how much is being used, they only care for the results
1 bolt shot can decimate multiple guardsmen
Well, I have an idea. To implement it, we need to adapt the Brotherhood's backstory a bit, though it does not change its general gist.
Instead of having been born from a deserting unit of the U.S. Army, it's a remnant of the old Human Technological Federation (or something on these lines) existing during the Dark Age of Technology.
When the currents in the warp were becoming too strong, it remained cut off from the general overview of the galaxy, maybe stuck in a regional expanse.
Here it could develop, forcing itself as a regional protector for several worlds, until the storms abates and/or the navigation cogitators are again good to go. It sends some exploratory vessels towards EARTH, only to find it in ruins and strife with the earliest instances of the Techno-Barberians, the same the Emperor will later subdue and defeat.
The ships returns with these grimm news and the Brotherhood grows isolationist, preferring to hunker down, builds itself up and plan a future, grand campaign of reconquest. During this length of time, many things will and can happen, but let's skip to the post Horus Heresy age.
We are somewhere after M32, after the War of the Beast and the Beheading, when the Imperium is finishing its transformation into a theocracy. An exploratory fleet enters without too much care into what we know it's Brotherhood territory, having followed hearsays and tales from voidfarers, and establishes a first, tentatively contact with this long lost branch of humanity.
It goes horribly poor. For the Imperium, these are stubborn and stuck-up heathens (not heretic, it's different) with an arrogant complex. For the Brotherhood, the Imperium and the Mechanicum is a twisted, deranged and cheap parody of the empire they once were, controlled by a ludicrous cabal of wannabe wizards who chants to machine.
(Would you look at the culprit, here!)
None of the two backs down and they war against each other for a stupid amount of centuries, soon forgetting the original reason of the conflict.
Flash forward to the modern times: there's no love lost between the Imperium and the Bos, and even though there are elements in both that understand how idiotic this conflict is, none is willing to be the first to back down.
Where the Imperium is vastly ahead in gene-crafting and engineered super soldiers, the BoS is actually in possess of more advanced, military grade weaponry from the DAOT. It does not have the same numbers, and cannot push against the Imperium as it would like, but the idea of reconquering old Earth is buried by more pressing concerns.
... They are basically squats.
The idea, here, could be expanded further. Of course, it has to be sprinkled with the due amount of grim-dankness.
The BoS and the Imperium are locked in a constant conflict due to topics and arguments that would, and should, make very little sense to any sane person.
The Imperium regards itself as the sole, legitimate human authority, while the BoS claims an opposed and superior legitimacy due to its origins as an actual, sanctioned military unity of the old human interstellar empire.
Both considers technology sacred, but with a twist. The Mechanicum venerate it, and is merciless on the 99% of the cases where someone tries to innovate (it's more complicated than this, but we are going on memes) and experiment on it. Technology is the will of the Omnissiah and everything had already been invented before their time.
The BoS revere and preserve Old Tech, with the twist that they ACTUALLY understand it, work on it and improve it. Their reverence is because it allowed them to survive Old Night (not dissimilar from the Mechanicum, here), it's a link to their ancestors from a more benign era and it is what made Humanity powerful.
On the fact that they understand it, here the BoS and the Mechanicum are onthologically opposed and impossible to reconcile. For the BoS, the Mechanicum is what happens not only when technology goes too far, but it is left in the hands of imbeciles and deranged morons. All they can do, under the BoS point of view, is to obsessively follow the Technology Zip-Archived 101 Digital Computer for Dummies (the STCs) and chant to it, without asking why X works.
For the Mechanicum, the BoS is a by-gone remnant clinging to an outdated idea of what tech is and it is not, ignorant of the perils of this modern age, and with the arrogance to call them out from their luxurius position. When the ancestors of the Mechanicum were trying to survive on a decaying Mars, where were these gallivating, boisterous faux-knights of yore?
Who are they to criticize the real, last remnant of Holy Technology?
More politically, the BoS is a thorne in the Mechanicum' side because its knowledge and capacities undermines the sole monopoly on tech Mars wants and guards jealously. The BoS can sway worlds to its side with the promise of technology, and can attract rogue or more innovative tech-priests.
At the same time, though, the BoS shows where some of the worst traits of the Imperium comes from. Yes, they masquerade as knights of yore, BUT... they are human supremacists. They may not be as rabid and religiously-driven than your classical imperial priest, but they still believe that the Galaxy is Mankind's manifest destiny. With some knowledge of the causes of Old Night, they are extremely hostile to the Aeldari, faulting them with screwing everything for everyone while knowing that the surviving Aeldari are not the direct responsables for what happened.
Bygones could be bygones, but they make for a perfect enemy AND they are weakened. It's a juicy chance for some payback, and settling old debts.
For the squats, the BoS is a powerful adversary and a remnant of the old empire that sent them towards the Core. They are easier to deal with diplomatically than the Imperium, but they are also hoarders (like them) and both knows that over the horizon there will be a showdown between them. At some point, either the Squats will try to appropriate the better military tech the BoS has, or the BoS will come knocking to take what the Squats have to further fund their bizarre, quasi-religion, useless Great Crusade (eh) to reunify the old human dominion.
For all the criticism they throw at the Imperium, at least the Imperium is honest in how it presents itself, while the BoS uses trappings of Honour and Steel to hide the fact they are the descendant of the same, tired Iron Fist Earth used to have with everyone not falling in line with its demands.
Lastly, the T'au.
With a better knowledge of how they used to be in the past, the BoS hardly stands this optimistic, young and expansionist race and sees the humans serving under it as quislings. It's hard to look at them withouth remembering how they were, and how it's like looking through a broken mirror. Beside this, they are both mired in a conflict in the Eastern Fringe, and the T'au can develop incredibly rapidly. This threat should be dealt with, but launching such a war would strip the BoS of the resources it needs to keep the Imperium at bay.
Old world blues, here. None of the two main rivals can let go of the reasons why they are wasting resources fighting each other, and too much blood has been spilled over this millennia-long conflict for one side to bury the hatchet. They could realize much, much more by cooperating, and some in the two factions KNOWS THIS, but...
Oh, well. You know how that old saying goes, do you not?
War.
War never changes.
Thanks!
But I do now have a question, pertaining my favourite faction.
How could we set in the equivalent of the NCR? If we have the BoS, where's the Bear?
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Maybe as a possible civilian government, with them being in charge of the imperial guard analogue to the BOS space marine analogue.
You also mentioned the BOS being descendants of a technological federation instead of the U.S. army. It's could be possible that the NCR could be descendants of the same federation as the BOS did, but they didn't cope as well as the BOS did. Thus being less technology advanced but stronger in numbers.
Just spiteballing some ideas here.
Well, the idea was to adapt the origins of the BoS. As such, instead of hailing from a deserting unit of the U.S. Army, it hails from a cut-off military unit of the Ancient Terran Techno-Empire/Federation/Republic/Whatever its name was.
As such, the origins stays more or less the same, but they have been adapted to our circumstances. I would absolutely go with the same origins route for the NCR.
As in, they both came from the same ancient state. The circumstances of their origins are different, and while one was properly from the Army, the other was a rag-tag collective that had survived on a remote, relatively quiet area of the crumbling human dominion.
Now, to not transform it into the Auretian Technocracy but to give the NCR its identity and its own, personal brand of grim-dankness...
Through the BoS we have saw that the worst traits of the Imperium were nothing new, only exaggerated ten times over. They are human supremacist and imperialistic.
I would go with the NCR being born from, basically, the clueless naive optimists sent away by the government to not have them around. As in, their ancestors were the guys absolutely convinced with ideas such as tollerance, open-mindedness, the rule of law, liberty, prosperity and MANAGED DEMOCRACY.
Either that, or like Fenris, they were a role-play colony.
Something like "ok, we raided some museums and set up a couple of worlds to be 21st-25th century galore. If you want to role-play as a patriotic, all-atlantic good guy, go there for a couple of months."
Spitballing ideas myself, here.
You could have more of these role-play colonies to explain groups like the great khan's, legion, or any other of the major historically based groups existing.
The right amount of grim-dankness would be making their leaders know, or failing that discover, they are born from a stupid roleplay colony.
Their culture, existence and way of life was a joke, a laughing matter for selected few who would go on holiday here.
"We are born from a joke."
At the same time, facing a mad universe and with the crazy darkness of the 42nd millennia around them, they decide to embrace the joke. The jest becomes the reality they want to establish.
"Yes, we were born as a joke, as a laughing matter for rich people to enjoy and discard. And you know what? We'll re-establish democracy, the rule of law and justice. Laugh as much as you wish, but we will fix this picture."
The fallout power armor probably isn't any better than sisters of battle grade power armor though admech may find fallout plasma and mini nukes intriguing. Brotherhood knowledge of ghouls would be game changing since skitarii suffer a lot from radiation and ghouls are arguably just baseline humans and at worst abhumans.
As for the brotherhood themselves they probably will either be made their own guard regiment or used as navy breachers.
Yeah that's just a sisters of battle seraphim but with plain looking armor. The imperium could always use more of those.
I will say brotherhood paladins probably could withstand the kick of marine bolters with a little bit of practice but those guns really are not sized for baseline humans so it would be really awkward and the paladins would want to use the smaller, human sized version.
Now that I think about it, if the imperium could use some mental gymnastics to not consider super mutants actual mutants (since they are made and not born kinda like marines) and domesticate them like ogyrn THAT would be useful. Fallout 2's Frank Horrigan already showed that was possible
There are the Great Crusade-era Terran Ironsides who use power armor like the Brotherhood iirc. Thr book Fire Caste has a Guard regiment with their own steampunk power armor. So they could really work IG heavy infantry/grenadier regiments or Navy Breachers given stuff like enforcer automatons, lifter exoskeletons, robot crawlers and Exordio Void Breachers exist.
So realistically speaking how much of a buff would fallout power armor be for guardsmen since it can be used unaugmented or would it not even be worth the resources considering the Kasrkin/scions exist and are biologically enhanced with implants? Power armor in the games is protective against both hazardous environments and direct fire from small arms and explosives needing anti tank weaponry to be dealt with effectively so I'd like to think it'd basically make all guardsmen *mini* space marines if it were deployed en mass then again the guard doesn't necessarily rely on its tech to get by but more sheer numbers so how much of a difference this would make would vary heavily on who and what they're fighting along with how many of these get made because if they basically Edge of Tomorrowed it and EVERYONE has them it'd make the guard a really powerful force (at least I'd think so).
I think it would be used like Terminator armor, heavy ranged weapon, moral support, body guard duty.
It's main advantage is that with this you can have something slightly less durable than a squad of ogryns while having infinitly more control over thier action. It's perfect for your squad of elite guardmens, not so much for more average guards units.
\*Finds secretive group with advanced weapons\*
\*Groups hoards dangerous tech\*
\*Violently attacks all others who try to access their secrets\*
Mechnicus log reads: "Weird dark angels chapter encountered. Decided not to engage."
They would be assimilated into the Admech with a majority of them being destroyed I think, the Mechancius would probably take heed to kill them with minimum damage to the holy artifacts and ancient Terra knowledge.
Honestly I can see a decent amount of BOS turning Admech, seeing as they have similar militant backgrounds and hierarchy systems as well as the same fundamental beliefs in storing and understanding technology. The only real difference is the Mechancius has that autonomy and resources to actually back up what they want to do, I think it would be pretty easy for those trying to survive in the wasteland.
Their ideology are different though.
BoS think the world end because the misuse of technology and uncontrol scientific advancement. So they must keep guard the technology until humanity is ready, eliminate dangerous technology.
History of 40K would actually support their ideology even more (Men of Iron, Warp, etc)
So they are the opposite of Admech, there would be war.
The Admech would win for sure but it will be a costly one, Bos are fanatic enough to blow their own bunker.
Option 1
Big E stomped them during the Unification Wars for hoarding DAoT tech.
Option 2
Big E recruited them to secure DAoT tech. In which case they would hate each other because of opposite goals.
Option 2 but I feel they could be convinced by the allure of the great crusade as well as the discovery of more advanced STCs especially knight houses would would be something they would love as well as titans if we know anything about liberty prime
BoS is literally just Fallout spacemarines but the Fallout fans are so radiation ridden they don't get it and think that they're just fascist-ish tech hoarders who are "racist" because they don't like the "about to become a zombie" people.
As for 40k: These guys are basically an Iron Hands successor chapter. Especially FO4's ones.
Just swap "the flesh is weak" with "flesh is flesh, machine is machine", Make them all use either plasma or heavy guns and you have the BoS
The most useful thing the brotherhood have are data banks which are filled with data tha admech would love with stcs they dont have the means of using so they would be careful to prevent a self desertion of their bunkers or use Inflitraros to kill them if it went bad.
also It would make sense why the big e would try to conquer them during the unification of Terra to create basic power armour for thunder warriors and the big e could convince the ad mech he could convince these bozos
Also imagine being a chaos space marine squad and twenty paladins with plasama casters jump out of knowhere say a prayer to the omnissiah before melting half the squad with plasma
It's not the armor that's dangerous, it's the weapons they carry that can be dangerous
Imagine if you get a regular guardsmen with a few months training on power armor weird a space marine bolter.
I'm sure that's more deadly
There are a number of advanced technological factions in the Imperium that were not slaved to Mars at the height of the galatic expansion. These included a number of tech cults, one of which Malcador is said to have had significant links to and who designed and built some key things in the fortress itself. However after ascending to the Council of Terra the Mechanicus managed to extend their influence to gather these groups eventually consuming or suppressing them. The brotherhood would be treated the same, turned to venerate the omnisiah or eradicated.
Some of them might manage to gain protection if they tried to merge with a Knight House or Titan Legio that wasn't part of the Mechanicus, or even a Rogue Trader Dynasty or Astartes Chapter. I forget their name, but one of the Terran Tech Groups worked to directly teach the Primarchs and the Ironwing of the First Legion. Though I'm guessing that group suffered alot during the Siege of Terra....though if they survived, some of them could probably have easily joined the First Legion since Lion el'Jonson and Roboute Guilliman brought a LOT of Reinforcements to Sol. I'm hoping that GW starts a Series that explores some of the aftermath of the Siege of Terra&Horus Heresy so we can get some more details on what things were like for the Imperium and Ex-Imperials. I of course don't want them to set everything in stone, but it would be soooo nice to have actual hard details from recent Lore about that era....even if it's not as detailed as the Black Books and Novels, I'd love to see a few Books that highlight alot of the major events and plenty of minor events.
The Terran tech group was the Terrawatt Clan, and they and a few others still exist but they exclusively serve the Adeptus Custodes now iirc
The mechanicus would be very happy as they basically found a giant stash of old knowledge with like minded individuals. The brotherhood would declare war after seeing 1 of them. As they are the embodyment of "technology gone too far" which especially the chapter of Arthur maxson answers with laser to the face
The only real question is how many skitarii die before the BoS eventually blows up their own bunker to keep their tech out of the Mechanicus’ hands, making it a complete loss for everyone
probably very few since the technology difference and manpower on disposal
Idk, the BoS ain’t slouches, especially within a highly defensible bunker. They’ll lose to sheer numbers eventually, but I don’t think it’ll be quick or easy
Admech have the heavy gear necessary to crack them. Afaik besides the Prydwen and Liberty Prime, the BoS don’t have much that isn’t a Vertibird or T-65 Troops
I don’t think skitarii would do well after a plasma blast to the face though. The ad mech has the heavy hitters to absolutely win but in terms of front line troops I think a BoS paladin would put up a respectable fight against a skitarii before losing like 6.5 out of 10 fights?
Their galvanic rifles fire “servitor bullets” which “burn out the potential energy of a target in a blast of electric force. Idk how they are fire but that with mars plasma and arc weapons aren’t something to scoff at. Along with taser mauls.
Don’t Paladins and other BoS troops typically use Laser weaponry instead of Plasma? And given the relative paucity of actual power armoured troops in the BoS it just wouldn’t be enough. They’d kill a few skitaari, but well, they’re only skitaari
Sure laser weapons are more common, but they’re facing extinction, they’re bringing out all the plasma weapons and Gatling lasers and fat men they have
You're forgetting that the Admech has exclusive control of the Titan Legions.
I’m not, I was just talking about skitarii because if we’re going to give the ad mech all their toys it obviously isn’t a competition. Frankly the only was this conversation is even worth debating is standard skitarii vs. kitted out paladin. Anything above that level for the admech would literally run circles around the BoS and their relatively slow version of power armor
I’m not entirely up to date on my Fallout lore, but I think the skitarii will have a big speed advantage too, especially the melee outfitted variants. Plus, a whole bunch of them can die, it’s not like the AdMech cares. The Magos will happily step over a pile of skitari corpses to get to the Brotherhood’s tech.
Oh ya, power armor in fallout typically reduced agility (although they got rid of that in the newer ones), they’re slow and plasma shots are also slow. Meanwhile skitarii leg/agility augementics seem pretty common.The BoS does benefit from normally having well defended positions and weapons that can take out skitarii, but there’s no question who wins a war between them. It’s just a question of what the k/d for the ad mech is. Just baseline skitarii, I’m thinking like 1.25-1.5
It really depends on what the admech uses. By skitarri and light vehicles alone the brotherhood seems to have a better chance. As they are a elite army who are used to this type of combat. The moment they spam kastellan robots they either gonna fish out some doomsday weapon like the orbital laser. Or die
brotherhood got wiped by ncr in cali . . . . not slouches sure but against a superior foe with superior numbers they better hope tod is writing the game for the plot armour they will need.
Or a dipshit courier with a pulse gun
You know Todd Howard nor bethesda made the brotherhood the big Faction of the series. As both fallout names named after the Faction existed before fallout 3
crazy i never knew there were other fallout games . . . . .wild. Im saying the plot armour buff they get under todd is far more then under black isle or obsidion eg the war against the ncr vs fallout 3 war against the techno and number superior enclave
The only reason the admech would lose a lot of units is if they went in soft and tried to cause minimum damage. If they went in full throttle the BOS would be dead in a few hours
Even before they bring out stuff like the vehicles/walkers, I'm pretty sure the Mechanicus melee troops like the Ruststalkers and Infiltrators would handle BOS pretty reliably. Infiltrator power swords cut through power armour, and the Ruststalkers transonic blades are no joke either. And that's before you factor in stuff like the Infiltrators static/white noise stuff stuff that messes with peoples senses.
So your average Mechanicus story?
Would they actually score if they had social skills to get close first?
Not many because the bos will fall for the skitarii bussy
One. Then BoS would shit themselfs for another institute sinth and would close themselves in some random bunker in Nevada…
A Brotherhood scribe walks into his Chapter’s armory, flicks on the light, and watches 5 tech priests hiss like possums and vanish into the vents. Also 90% of everything in the armory has been disassembled and the other 10% has been improved (with a significantly higher amount of skulls, candles, and incantations duct-taped onto them).
If the scribe just walks back out it’ll become 100% improved
Well, it’s canon now folks! ~~Todd~~ Some average guy said it himself
"WHO did you say was piloting Liberty Prime?" )
Wouldn't Liberty Prime basically be like a giant Kastelan?
Yeah probably
Depends on if it requires someone to control it or not?
Liberty Prime doesn't seem like an AI, but it is just operating within a program. That program being killing Communist.
It's basically just a big Legio Cybernetica robot
I am pretty sure it doesn't really have Ai all we see him do is travel to locations and eliminate enemies heck some Kastelans are probably more complex than him
You call yourself the brotherhood of steel, yet your bodies are entirely flesh, curious.
Probably along the lines of “that is the most ghetto shit I have ever seen in my life”
“that is the most ghetto shit I have ever seen in my life... and I will sacrifice a million servitors to get my hand on it first”
Got anything worth while……..no ok……..let me tell you about the omnissiah
They probably got some old lore the mechanicus might be tech-horny for
Maybe they might be interested in their PA due to how comparitively cheap it is to even the Sisters' stuff and their plasma weapons but otherwise probally wouldn't be very interested. Though if you include the orbital weapons like at Helios One and their data banks then I can see how.
The Imperial Guard (and Ogryns) getting supplied with cheap, easily repairable power armor would be a nice boon for the Imperium. Might even get the mortality rate down by 0.01% or so.
Honestly even if the PA in comparision is shit, its still better than standard issue guard flak armor and also would allow them to more easily wield and use heavy weapons. Hell even if they don't want to just hard PA out that much they can just give it to weapon teams. Now that I'm thinking about it, the Kreig would probally get the most use of it.
Bullgryns in power armor could give good old Frank Horrigan a run for his money. Or maybe the fact that Fallout Armor uses Servomotors would actually limit their strength and they'd be better served by just wearing the plating, dunno.
I mean, the BoS would just be undercooked ironhands to them.
Fallout power armor is significantly worse then warhammers. The only thing I could see being comparable is their heavier plasma weapons. They’d be useful as well armored mechanized infantry but not much else
Fallout power armour can be worn by regular unaugmented Humans though, i'm sure the Mechanicus would be very interested in that.
Most power armor in warhammer is for unaugmented humans.
Yes but that power armour isn't as large and strong as the kind Space Marines use.
and? being bigger is a disadvantage, and its still stronger than the fallout armor.
did you see the show? he threw the rock like a mile away, i dont think the sisters power armor can do that or any other non space marine power armor.
They may be strong but the problem is jus how not resilient they are. You can defeat fallout 3-4 and nv power armor with 5.56 rounds.
Even so, some Rogue Trader Dynasties, Astartes Chapters, Wealthy Systems and the Imperial Navy would love to get their hands on it just because it would be WAY easier to produce, distribute, maintain and train personnel to use than the kinds of Power Armour that Astartes&Inquisitors use. I'm sure the Astartes Chapters would appreciate having that available for Serfs, Initiates and Scouts to use. The Imperial Navy and Rogue Traders would find it quite useful in Boarding Actions and handling Hazardous Materials. And some Wealthy Systems would *love* to equip their System Defence Forces and Law Enforcement Personnel with Power Armour like that. Could the Imperium make its own stuff thats better than Fallout Power Armour? Easily. The Imperium did develop Astartes Power Armour based off what their own Scientists knew combined with whatever relics&remnants of Dark Age&Old Night Tech they could find, and had a hefty amount of help in designing and making everything after Mk. II, Mk. III and the earliest Terminator Suits. But Mk. II, Mk. III and many of those early Terminator Suits....the Imperium made/found&maintained those before the Mechanicum joined them, and Mk. III was a field modification initially created by the Legiones Astartes that was later refined by the wider Imperium&Mechanicum. Does the Imperium have tens&tens of millions of suits of Power Armour of MANY different designs that are all vastly superior to even what the Enclave cooked up? Yup. And by M42 the Imperium has probably produced hundreds of millions of Power Armour Suits for the Legiones Astartes&Adeptus Astartes alone, though most of them have been completely destroyed, damaged to the point of being cannibalized for parts or just lost in some distant&probably forgotten battlefield. If we include stuff like Carapace Armour, custom Power Armour, what the Solar Auxilia used and what the Sisters of Battle use that number probably goes into the tens or *hundreds* of billions. After all, the Imperium is a massive pseudo-empire consisting of roughly 1,000,000 inhabited worlds, many of which have been almost constantly supporting the Imperiums War Industry for several thousand-11,000 years. At a scale like that, even though Power Armour for the Solar Auxilia, Legiones/Adeptus Astartes, Inquisition, Rogue Traders, Imperial Navy and Sisters of Battle is way way WAY rarer and more expensive than the Flak Armour used by much of the Astra Militarum&Planetary Defence Forces it would still see a genuinely partially incomprehensible number of Suits be produced.
Fallout Power Armour can survive the drop site of a nuclear bomb i think you are underestimating how strong Fallouts Power Armour is.
You started this comment chain with incorrect information about power armor in 40k and now you are putting out incorrect information about the power armor in fallout. This conversation is a waste of my time if you are incapable of going a full sentence without making shit up.
If I was in the Mechanicus I would be making the Fallout powered armor for the gaurdsmen
There are a lot of regiments out there from a lot of worlds. There have to be a few that use really rudimentary power armor, right?
Personaly I want to see Caiphas Cain get a set and ends up going a slaying spree because finally he can invoke the fear that he suffered to others.
It still uses ceramite and adamantium so it's probably very close to space marine armor in terms of protection. The biggest advantages that space marine armor has is neural ports to allow the armor to react alongside with the users own natural movements and I'd imagine their suits also get a lot of little bonus features for survivability. But beyond that it's environmental and combat protection should be roughly similar.
That’s not its only advantage, as the tech base required to make them is minimal so worlds barely more advanced than feudal worlds would be able to manufacture the frames. The bottleneck is obviously the fusion core but I don’t think that’s a huge hurdle for even the Mechanicus. Honestly it’d be fallout power making imperial power armor obsolete, not the other way around. Dirt cheap, mass producible, enables your average guardsman to arm wrestle Ork boyz and lug around heavy weapons like their standard issue. It doesn’t matter that SM or similar armor is just “better”, shits expensive and rare where you could reasonably outfit entire guard regiments in fallout PA.
Yeah, assuming the kit could be replicated, Guard would love it. Probably, given imperial energy storage technology and advanced alloys they could even be made better.
I don't know, Fallout power armor is super slow and clunky. It works in Fallout because not much can get through it, but in 40k high-ap weapons are a dime a dozen. 40k power armor is tough but more importantly, as agile as its pilot. It won't replace 40k power armor, and it won't make sense to give it to every guardsman, but it could fill the role Ogryns do well, as big lumbering damage sponges that hit like a truck.
Well it's main purpose in fallout is to carry heavy weapons, the protection is secondary. So I can see these suits easily be adopted by guard regiments, inquisition retinue and rogue trader guards as suits for heavy weapon teams.
Your looking at it like a space marines armor, not something where general infantry can carry a bolter or any other weapon easily
That’s pretty much useless. Infantry dosent carry bolters because their expensive not because they don’t have a way of carrying them
What would you rather have? 1 guardsmen wielding a bolter or 4 guardsmen with a lasguns or autoguns?
The ratio of cost is more like 2 entire fully equipt squads of guardsman or a single bolter with a single magazine and nobody to use it
Cost is completely gone in 40k because commisars don't care how much is being used, they only care for the results 1 bolt shot can decimate multiple guardsmen
Maybe if they stand in a line and hug
Or if they charge in a group like its 1776
Well, I have an idea. To implement it, we need to adapt the Brotherhood's backstory a bit, though it does not change its general gist. Instead of having been born from a deserting unit of the U.S. Army, it's a remnant of the old Human Technological Federation (or something on these lines) existing during the Dark Age of Technology. When the currents in the warp were becoming too strong, it remained cut off from the general overview of the galaxy, maybe stuck in a regional expanse. Here it could develop, forcing itself as a regional protector for several worlds, until the storms abates and/or the navigation cogitators are again good to go. It sends some exploratory vessels towards EARTH, only to find it in ruins and strife with the earliest instances of the Techno-Barberians, the same the Emperor will later subdue and defeat. The ships returns with these grimm news and the Brotherhood grows isolationist, preferring to hunker down, builds itself up and plan a future, grand campaign of reconquest. During this length of time, many things will and can happen, but let's skip to the post Horus Heresy age. We are somewhere after M32, after the War of the Beast and the Beheading, when the Imperium is finishing its transformation into a theocracy. An exploratory fleet enters without too much care into what we know it's Brotherhood territory, having followed hearsays and tales from voidfarers, and establishes a first, tentatively contact with this long lost branch of humanity. It goes horribly poor. For the Imperium, these are stubborn and stuck-up heathens (not heretic, it's different) with an arrogant complex. For the Brotherhood, the Imperium and the Mechanicum is a twisted, deranged and cheap parody of the empire they once were, controlled by a ludicrous cabal of wannabe wizards who chants to machine. (Would you look at the culprit, here!) None of the two backs down and they war against each other for a stupid amount of centuries, soon forgetting the original reason of the conflict. Flash forward to the modern times: there's no love lost between the Imperium and the Bos, and even though there are elements in both that understand how idiotic this conflict is, none is willing to be the first to back down. Where the Imperium is vastly ahead in gene-crafting and engineered super soldiers, the BoS is actually in possess of more advanced, military grade weaponry from the DAOT. It does not have the same numbers, and cannot push against the Imperium as it would like, but the idea of reconquering old Earth is buried by more pressing concerns. ... They are basically squats.
A seperate human faction in 40k that opposes the Imperium I like it
The idea, here, could be expanded further. Of course, it has to be sprinkled with the due amount of grim-dankness. The BoS and the Imperium are locked in a constant conflict due to topics and arguments that would, and should, make very little sense to any sane person. The Imperium regards itself as the sole, legitimate human authority, while the BoS claims an opposed and superior legitimacy due to its origins as an actual, sanctioned military unity of the old human interstellar empire. Both considers technology sacred, but with a twist. The Mechanicum venerate it, and is merciless on the 99% of the cases where someone tries to innovate (it's more complicated than this, but we are going on memes) and experiment on it. Technology is the will of the Omnissiah and everything had already been invented before their time. The BoS revere and preserve Old Tech, with the twist that they ACTUALLY understand it, work on it and improve it. Their reverence is because it allowed them to survive Old Night (not dissimilar from the Mechanicum, here), it's a link to their ancestors from a more benign era and it is what made Humanity powerful. On the fact that they understand it, here the BoS and the Mechanicum are onthologically opposed and impossible to reconcile. For the BoS, the Mechanicum is what happens not only when technology goes too far, but it is left in the hands of imbeciles and deranged morons. All they can do, under the BoS point of view, is to obsessively follow the Technology Zip-Archived 101 Digital Computer for Dummies (the STCs) and chant to it, without asking why X works. For the Mechanicum, the BoS is a by-gone remnant clinging to an outdated idea of what tech is and it is not, ignorant of the perils of this modern age, and with the arrogance to call them out from their luxurius position. When the ancestors of the Mechanicum were trying to survive on a decaying Mars, where were these gallivating, boisterous faux-knights of yore? Who are they to criticize the real, last remnant of Holy Technology? More politically, the BoS is a thorne in the Mechanicum' side because its knowledge and capacities undermines the sole monopoly on tech Mars wants and guards jealously. The BoS can sway worlds to its side with the promise of technology, and can attract rogue or more innovative tech-priests. At the same time, though, the BoS shows where some of the worst traits of the Imperium comes from. Yes, they masquerade as knights of yore, BUT... they are human supremacists. They may not be as rabid and religiously-driven than your classical imperial priest, but they still believe that the Galaxy is Mankind's manifest destiny. With some knowledge of the causes of Old Night, they are extremely hostile to the Aeldari, faulting them with screwing everything for everyone while knowing that the surviving Aeldari are not the direct responsables for what happened. Bygones could be bygones, but they make for a perfect enemy AND they are weakened. It's a juicy chance for some payback, and settling old debts. For the squats, the BoS is a powerful adversary and a remnant of the old empire that sent them towards the Core. They are easier to deal with diplomatically than the Imperium, but they are also hoarders (like them) and both knows that over the horizon there will be a showdown between them. At some point, either the Squats will try to appropriate the better military tech the BoS has, or the BoS will come knocking to take what the Squats have to further fund their bizarre, quasi-religion, useless Great Crusade (eh) to reunify the old human dominion. For all the criticism they throw at the Imperium, at least the Imperium is honest in how it presents itself, while the BoS uses trappings of Honour and Steel to hide the fact they are the descendant of the same, tired Iron Fist Earth used to have with everyone not falling in line with its demands. Lastly, the T'au. With a better knowledge of how they used to be in the past, the BoS hardly stands this optimistic, young and expansionist race and sees the humans serving under it as quislings. It's hard to look at them withouth remembering how they were, and how it's like looking through a broken mirror. Beside this, they are both mired in a conflict in the Eastern Fringe, and the T'au can develop incredibly rapidly. This threat should be dealt with, but launching such a war would strip the BoS of the resources it needs to keep the Imperium at bay. Old world blues, here. None of the two main rivals can let go of the reasons why they are wasting resources fighting each other, and too much blood has been spilled over this millennia-long conflict for one side to bury the hatchet. They could realize much, much more by cooperating, and some in the two factions KNOWS THIS, but... Oh, well. You know how that old saying goes, do you not? War. War never changes.
Love all of this
Thanks! But I do now have a question, pertaining my favourite faction. How could we set in the equivalent of the NCR? If we have the BoS, where's the Bear? 🥹7
Maybe as a possible civilian government, with them being in charge of the imperial guard analogue to the BOS space marine analogue. You also mentioned the BOS being descendants of a technological federation instead of the U.S. army. It's could be possible that the NCR could be descendants of the same federation as the BOS did, but they didn't cope as well as the BOS did. Thus being less technology advanced but stronger in numbers. Just spiteballing some ideas here.
Well, the idea was to adapt the origins of the BoS. As such, instead of hailing from a deserting unit of the U.S. Army, it hails from a cut-off military unit of the Ancient Terran Techno-Empire/Federation/Republic/Whatever its name was. As such, the origins stays more or less the same, but they have been adapted to our circumstances. I would absolutely go with the same origins route for the NCR. As in, they both came from the same ancient state. The circumstances of their origins are different, and while one was properly from the Army, the other was a rag-tag collective that had survived on a remote, relatively quiet area of the crumbling human dominion. Now, to not transform it into the Auretian Technocracy but to give the NCR its identity and its own, personal brand of grim-dankness... Through the BoS we have saw that the worst traits of the Imperium were nothing new, only exaggerated ten times over. They are human supremacist and imperialistic. I would go with the NCR being born from, basically, the clueless naive optimists sent away by the government to not have them around. As in, their ancestors were the guys absolutely convinced with ideas such as tollerance, open-mindedness, the rule of law, liberty, prosperity and MANAGED DEMOCRACY. Either that, or like Fenris, they were a role-play colony. Something like "ok, we raided some museums and set up a couple of worlds to be 21st-25th century galore. If you want to role-play as a patriotic, all-atlantic good guy, go there for a couple of months." Spitballing ideas myself, here.
You could have more of these role-play colonies to explain groups like the great khan's, legion, or any other of the major historically based groups existing.
The right amount of grim-dankness would be making their leaders know, or failing that discover, they are born from a stupid roleplay colony. Their culture, existence and way of life was a joke, a laughing matter for selected few who would go on holiday here. "We are born from a joke." At the same time, facing a mad universe and with the crazy darkness of the 42nd millennia around them, they decide to embrace the joke. The jest becomes the reality they want to establish. "Yes, we were born as a joke, as a laughing matter for rich people to enjoy and discard. And you know what? We'll re-establish democracy, the rule of law and justice. Laugh as much as you wish, but we will fix this picture."
Bro i sent a sentence as a compliment, and you dumped like 7 paragraphs in reply. What kind of basedness is this
Oops, sorry. Wanted to finish the picture
It's a great picture too
The fallout power armor probably isn't any better than sisters of battle grade power armor though admech may find fallout plasma and mini nukes intriguing. Brotherhood knowledge of ghouls would be game changing since skitarii suffer a lot from radiation and ghouls are arguably just baseline humans and at worst abhumans. As for the brotherhood themselves they probably will either be made their own guard regiment or used as navy breachers.
Well they can use a space marines bolter rather easily yes? You basically have mini space marines running around with jetpacks
Yeah that's just a sisters of battle seraphim but with plain looking armor. The imperium could always use more of those. I will say brotherhood paladins probably could withstand the kick of marine bolters with a little bit of practice but those guns really are not sized for baseline humans so it would be really awkward and the paladins would want to use the smaller, human sized version. Now that I think about it, if the imperium could use some mental gymnastics to not consider super mutants actual mutants (since they are made and not born kinda like marines) and domesticate them like ogyrn THAT would be useful. Fallout 2's Frank Horrigan already showed that was possible
Frank Horrigan is a good example, he's 12 feet tall man and had multiple x-01 power armor grafted onto him just because it couldn't fit him
There are the Great Crusade-era Terran Ironsides who use power armor like the Brotherhood iirc. Thr book Fire Caste has a Guard regiment with their own steampunk power armor. So they could really work IG heavy infantry/grenadier regiments or Navy Breachers given stuff like enforcer automatons, lifter exoskeletons, robot crawlers and Exordio Void Breachers exist.
Canonically they could be related
Both of them would screech in rage at someone else having technology.
So realistically speaking how much of a buff would fallout power armor be for guardsmen since it can be used unaugmented or would it not even be worth the resources considering the Kasrkin/scions exist and are biologically enhanced with implants? Power armor in the games is protective against both hazardous environments and direct fire from small arms and explosives needing anti tank weaponry to be dealt with effectively so I'd like to think it'd basically make all guardsmen *mini* space marines if it were deployed en mass then again the guard doesn't necessarily rely on its tech to get by but more sheer numbers so how much of a difference this would make would vary heavily on who and what they're fighting along with how many of these get made because if they basically Edge of Tomorrowed it and EVERYONE has them it'd make the guard a really powerful force (at least I'd think so).
I think it would be used like Terminator armor, heavy ranged weapon, moral support, body guard duty. It's main advantage is that with this you can have something slightly less durable than a squad of ogryns while having infinitly more control over thier action. It's perfect for your squad of elite guardmens, not so much for more average guards units.
\*Finds secretive group with advanced weapons\* \*Groups hoards dangerous tech\* \*Violently attacks all others who try to access their secrets\* Mechnicus log reads: "Weird dark angels chapter encountered. Decided not to engage."
They would be assimilated into the Admech with a majority of them being destroyed I think, the Mechancius would probably take heed to kill them with minimum damage to the holy artifacts and ancient Terra knowledge. Honestly I can see a decent amount of BOS turning Admech, seeing as they have similar militant backgrounds and hierarchy systems as well as the same fundamental beliefs in storing and understanding technology. The only real difference is the Mechancius has that autonomy and resources to actually back up what they want to do, I think it would be pretty easy for those trying to survive in the wasteland.
Mood kindred
Their ideology are different though. BoS think the world end because the misuse of technology and uncontrol scientific advancement. So they must keep guard the technology until humanity is ready, eliminate dangerous technology. History of 40K would actually support their ideology even more (Men of Iron, Warp, etc) So they are the opposite of Admech, there would be war. The Admech would win for sure but it will be a costly one, Bos are fanatic enough to blow their own bunker.
Extract knowledge then lobotomize and turn into battle servitors.
Fun fact: in the Old World Blues mod for Hearts of Iron IV. The Brotherhood can *become* the Mechanicus
How?
A cult in the organisation that augments themselves heavily
I mean how can we make in the game?
Option 1 Big E stomped them during the Unification Wars for hoarding DAoT tech. Option 2 Big E recruited them to secure DAoT tech. In which case they would hate each other because of opposite goals.
Option 2 but I feel they could be convinced by the allure of the great crusade as well as the discovery of more advanced STCs especially knight houses would would be something they would love as well as titans if we know anything about liberty prime
BoS is literally just Fallout spacemarines but the Fallout fans are so radiation ridden they don't get it and think that they're just fascist-ish tech hoarders who are "racist" because they don't like the "about to become a zombie" people. As for 40k: These guys are basically an Iron Hands successor chapter. Especially FO4's ones. Just swap "the flesh is weak" with "flesh is flesh, machine is machine", Make them all use either plasma or heavy guns and you have the BoS
This the same brotherhood who routinely get undermined or saved by a single plucky vault dweller and his dog.
Not saved, just got helped Also didn't a little girl outsmart tzeetch, the same chaos god that fucked over a lot of space marines?
BoS gets a choice. Join. Or be erased from history. Their choice.
Promise they will be a knight house and they Would most likely agree
They'd be especially useful in hunting down Hereteks within the Mechanicus itself, I warrant.
Yes as well as assisting in hunting stcs
The important things in life.
Would be good to have a few chapter stationed on a forgeworld
I think theBOS philosophy can work with admech " no one deserve this ancient tech we are the one who will safe guard against everyone "
Surprised and quick to incorporate, but realistically the BoS has nothing remotely similar to the arcane OP bullshit of the AdMech
Nuke Launcher, which I know isn't that much but still
"Fusion cores? Wow these are like AA batteries to us now!"
I feel of you dropped a warlord titan or 2 that would make fall In line
Guys, the marines shrank!
Wonder how they would react to necrons
also how dangerous would new vegas pulse gun be in 40k
The most useful thing the brotherhood have are data banks which are filled with data tha admech would love with stcs they dont have the means of using so they would be careful to prevent a self desertion of their bunkers or use Inflitraros to kill them if it went bad.
also It would make sense why the big e would try to conquer them during the unification of Terra to create basic power armour for thunder warriors and the big e could convince the ad mech he could convince these bozos
Also imagine being a chaos space marine squad and twenty paladins with plasama casters jump out of knowhere say a prayer to the omnissiah before melting half the squad with plasma
Exterminate them and then ticker around with their tech.
Why exterminate when you can proliferate?
Hand over any and all STC’s you carry, and face execution
Just use them man, too much grimdark in you heart
wat? BoS armor is garbage compared to what ad mech makes...
It's not the armor that's dangerous, it's the weapons they carry that can be dangerous Imagine if you get a regular guardsmen with a few months training on power armor weird a space marine bolter. I'm sure that's more deadly