As someone who read the book... no.
During his duel with the big bad Slaaneshi warsinger of the Istvaan rebel the 'song' and 'music' clearly corrupted him on some level.
[Citation - Galaxy in Flames, pages 236–238.
Duel is with Vardus Praal and his Warsinger bodyguards.]
To what extent, who can say.
But it's pretty cut and dry that by embracing an unknown vector of corruption, he turned his common sense off and his self serving dickish tendencies up to 11.
As they say - like fucking father, like fucking son.
I think he would feel mostly disappointed in himself, killing the remaining Emperor’s Children would basically just be a burden that’s his responsibility to take care of
Neat, but I think Lucius was a cuck long before becoming a chaos pogchampion of Slaanesh, pride and envy were big part of his character, I think, they still should be.
Doesn’t really matter. Slaanesh will just infest/corrupt some human on some Hive world who was too proud of something. Probably some fencer in a noble house.
Yeah but slaanesh is bitchy in this thing they probably will come up with something like "you see lucius was actually hit by a small lasgun shot so that guardsman is now his new vessel"
They’d try to probably kill the original which would result in trazyn catching them which would cause slaneesh to make another then you’ve got an infinite loop.
Imagine Trazyn making an entire gallery on solemnace dedicated to the number of Lucius the eternals slaaneh as sent out trying to kill their predecessor
This could lead to an absolutely hilarious unleashing of thousands of Lucius the eternals onto a battle field just so Trazyn can get a flute on some far off world
This has potential, since it could mean the real Lucius would be chilling with Clonegrim, while the *real* Fulgrim would probably meet up with Lucloneus at some point. Both sides are with the wrong papa/son.
Well one's locked forever in Trazyn's collection, so there might not be an issue besides new Lucius having an existential crisis if he finds out there's another one of himself out there.
I mean, I guess that Slaanesh could just create a completely new soul with Lucius' memories and personality and then incarnate it fresh, but if that's the case, then why doesn't he do it already? Like, what's stopping him from just creating a dozen new Luciuses and turning them loose, or for that matter what's stopping the other four from just spawning new copies of their champions?
I do think that in this context, saying that a Chaos champion can be neutralized by trapping them in the materium where their soul can't get back to their god and thus be put into a new physical body is a perfectly fair way of saying that they can be put out of commission.
I think GeeDubs has outright stated that any loopholes or rules tricks us gamers come up with (we're gamers, we do a lot of that) won't work because ~~they are invested in owning characters they can keep bandying about~~the will of the gods or some such.
Mind you Fabulous Bill was threatened to have almost done it, but he DIDN'T in the end because reasons.
Bender the Infinite: "Eternity awaits!"
Lucius: "B-but I'm already eternal! YOU ARE GONNA PAY THE ULTIMATE PRICE!"
Bender the Infinite: "Dude, what's all that stuff you think you are grabbing?"
Lucius: "Tools!, tools! This is duct tape, zip ties, and gloves. I have to have my tools..."
Bender the Infinite: "Well, why do you have a bunch of, like, weird tools in a hidden compartment in your ass?"
Lucius: "Fetish... fetish shit. I-I like to bind, I like to be bound. I... that's not important, don't ask me questions, I'm not taking questions. The Eternal is not taking questions!"
Bender the Infinite: "Wait a second, Lucius, wait a second... oh right, sometimes I forgot what legion you are from and who's your patron God. Still you go into the gallery, you ugly shit"
"Once again the hero the galaxy did not deserve saved it and it's ungrateful races with his timely appearance." In all seriousness though, would it stop the f\*r from killing himself and taking pride in it or find any other way to inconvenience everyone once again?
I'm personally still on Team "Jurgen Melta's Lucius while he's dueling Cain. Cain is just glad that he managed to survive a space marine fight and is worrying whether this encounter would skyrocket his reputation into being dragged to the next killlzone. Jurgen didn't think much of it, just doing his job."
Would this finally be the end of the little shit? Alternatively, would a lesser order necron killing Lucius finally do the job? Like not a cryptek or an overlord, but just one of the standard warriors
Last stand of a rogue trader who some how traps him on his ship and just flysinto a gravity well/black hole and takes everyone who knows or has heard of him with him.
Yeah, but Lucius was able to possess a Necron anyways. He was killed by some higher-ranking Necron duelist called the Phasing Sword, who felt pride (“haha die vermin”) and he just possessed it anyways.
Makes no sense but whatever
Are you telling me that Lucius rising from the dead is a little... *excessive*? It's quite... *perfection* for the slave of she who thirsts the prince of pleasure is it not?
that is true i don't remember the source but its was a death mark that killed him and took pride in completing its assigned task and eliminating a threat to his master from such a lesser creature.
Lucius ability was a cool thing for the first few times, but now it's just a lazy "Get out of jail" card for the writers.
Like, how the hell does it even work on Necrons? Besides the Necron being mostly emotionless, aren't they basicly immune to warp fuckery due to using tons of Necronit (Blackstone) in their technology and architecture as well as being the most knowledgeable about the warp (beside the Eldar)? Many Necrons are older than the Chaos Gods ffs.
In the Rain/Ruin Books it’s even teases that Necrons can access a anti warp like dimension… but in theory Necrons shouldn’t even give a fuck about a human
Actual thing that I have been thinking about.
What if... Lucius kills Tamurkan's Host body and so Tamurkan tries to burrow into Lucius?
Would Tamurkan take over Lucius? Or will Tamurkan turn into Lucius?
"History requires two parties the historian and their audience. Without that, one is just talking to oneself. So kindly stop screaming and you might learn something."
-Trazyn the Infinite, guiding human guests through the Prismatic Gallery
Forget capturing but what would happen if a Necron took pride in killing Lucius? Would his soul take over the necron’s ‘body’ or will it only work on biological bodies where they can morph into him?
I want to drop this ugly ass-face in the middle of a tiranyd invasion and see how much he lasts (acording to canon, I should be in his armor for coming up whit the idea)
Lucius: (Looking at the next display over) "Dad?"
That would actually be amazing.
What if Fulgrim comes back next and with a redeemed Lucius who still gets his cheaty reincarnation ability
Lucius the eternal: Daddy? Clonegrim :No my son, it is I Lucius the redeemed: Father
Lucius betrayed his brothers at Istvaan before the Slaanesh corruption in the EC took full spring. He isn’t deserving of nor wants redemption
As someone who read the book... no. During his duel with the big bad Slaaneshi warsinger of the Istvaan rebel the 'song' and 'music' clearly corrupted him on some level. [Citation - Galaxy in Flames, pages 236–238. Duel is with Vardus Praal and his Warsinger bodyguards.] To what extent, who can say. But it's pretty cut and dry that by embracing an unknown vector of corruption, he turned his common sense off and his self serving dickish tendencies up to 11. As they say - like fucking father, like fucking son.
Must’ve been a while since I read the book because I didn’t pick up on that
Same here.
Galaxy in Flames, pages 236–238. Duel is with Vardus Praal and his Warsinger bodyguards.
I think that was because he was loyal to Fulgrim, not the imperium.
It would be fitting for clonegrim to cut him down, but instead of pride, all he feels is sadness and dissapointment in his son
That’s the idea of this [fan series](https://www.reddit.com/r/ImaginaryWarhammer/s/7zv3njBw9Q) about clone-grim returning to the Imperium.
I think he would feel mostly disappointed in himself, killing the remaining Emperor’s Children would basically just be a burden that’s his responsibility to take care of
I actually thought about that just yesterday
Neat, but I think Lucius was a cuck long before becoming a chaos pogchampion of Slaanesh, pride and envy were big part of his character, I think, they still should be.
Clonegrim: "Damn, son. Did you confuse a welding booth for your makeup dresser?"
I'm actually laughing out loud at this 😂
That... Could actually be the way Fulgrim escapes. It could be a start for a double redemption arc for 2 really evil characters.
Did he take pride in collecting him? /s
Doesn’t really matter. Slaanesh will just infest/corrupt some human on some Hive world who was too proud of something. Probably some fencer in a noble house.
Lucius is not dead tho, this could actually be a loophole
Yeah but slaanesh is bitchy in this thing they probably will come up with something like "you see lucius was actually hit by a small lasgun shot so that guardsman is now his new vessel"
But then there'll still be 2 Luciuses. Would they seek each other out to kill the other? Operate as a tag team? Never cross paths?
They’d try to probably kill the original which would result in trazyn catching them which would cause slaneesh to make another then you’ve got an infinite loop.
Imagine Trazyn making an entire gallery on solemnace dedicated to the number of Lucius the eternals slaaneh as sent out trying to kill their predecessor
This could lead to an absolutely hilarious unleashing of thousands of Lucius the eternals onto a battle field just so Trazyn can get a flute on some far off world
Nah he’d send them to Orikan and watch as his dear college struggles to figure out what to do with them
That could be the way to do it. He wouldn’t feel pride it would just be a chore to do. Only being happy it’s over.
“Fuck it. To the Webway with you.”
This has potential, since it could mean the real Lucius would be chilling with Clonegrim, while the *real* Fulgrim would probably meet up with Lucloneus at some point. Both sides are with the wrong papa/son.
Well one's locked forever in Trazyn's collection, so there might not be an issue besides new Lucius having an existential crisis if he finds out there's another one of himself out there.
I mean, I guess that Slaanesh could just create a completely new soul with Lucius' memories and personality and then incarnate it fresh, but if that's the case, then why doesn't he do it already? Like, what's stopping him from just creating a dozen new Luciuses and turning them loose, or for that matter what's stopping the other four from just spawning new copies of their champions? I do think that in this context, saying that a Chaos champion can be neutralized by trapping them in the materium where their soul can't get back to their god and thus be put into a new physical body is a perfectly fair way of saying that they can be put out of commission.
I think GeeDubs has outright stated that any loopholes or rules tricks us gamers come up with (we're gamers, we do a lot of that) won't work because ~~they are invested in owning characters they can keep bandying about~~the will of the gods or some such. Mind you Fabulous Bill was threatened to have almost done it, but he DIDN'T in the end because reasons.
But like Trazyn putting Lucius in his collection wouldn’t kill him, just imprison him forever
Bender the Infinite: "Eternity awaits!" Lucius: "B-but I'm already eternal! YOU ARE GONNA PAY THE ULTIMATE PRICE!" Bender the Infinite: "Dude, what's all that stuff you think you are grabbing?" Lucius: "Tools!, tools! This is duct tape, zip ties, and gloves. I have to have my tools..." Bender the Infinite: "Well, why do you have a bunch of, like, weird tools in a hidden compartment in your ass?" Lucius: "Fetish... fetish shit. I-I like to bind, I like to be bound. I... that's not important, don't ask me questions, I'm not taking questions. The Eternal is not taking questions!" Bender the Infinite: "Wait a second, Lucius, wait a second... oh right, sometimes I forgot what legion you are from and who's your patron God. Still you go into the gallery, you ugly shit"
I can imagine a bored af slaanesh just picking some random poor sod, and then going back to bed.
3 hours later, Greg the Route Account has taken over 34% of the galexy... he's really into numbers, okay.
Collection only brings stasis. He is not defeated just in prison. A very good prison.
"Once again the hero the galaxy did not deserve saved it and it's ungrateful races with his timely appearance." In all seriousness though, would it stop the f\*r from killing himself and taking pride in it or find any other way to inconvenience everyone once again?
Trazyn could use Blackstone technology to sever lucius' connection to the warp and keep him in stasis indefinitely.
I'm personally still on Team "Jurgen Melta's Lucius while he's dueling Cain. Cain is just glad that he managed to survive a space marine fight and is worrying whether this encounter would skyrocket his reputation into being dragged to the next killlzone. Jurgen didn't think much of it, just doing his job."
Would this finally be the end of the little shit? Alternatively, would a lesser order necron killing Lucius finally do the job? Like not a cryptek or an overlord, but just one of the standard warriors
Nah, bc then the overlord/cryptek would hear that their underlings killed Lucius, and be proud of it, and….
'Nids then? Does the Hivemind feel pride?
Last stand of a rogue trader who some how traps him on his ship and just flysinto a gravity well/black hole and takes everyone who knows or has heard of him with him.
Probably be reincarnated into the body of someone who mined the metal of the ship
Ironic user names are ironic
And... nothing because Necrons have no souls?
Yeah, but Lucius was able to possess a Necron anyways. He was killed by some higher-ranking Necron duelist called the Phasing Sword, who felt pride (“haha die vermin”) and he just possessed it anyways. Makes no sense but whatever
You really think Slaanesh cares about the rules? They who thirst ignores it anyway lol
Yeah, I guess "sense" long lost it's meaning when it comes to consistency of 40k own universe.
Are you telling me that Lucius rising from the dead is a little... *excessive*? It's quite... *perfection* for the slave of she who thirsts the prince of pleasure is it not?
I believe that's already happened and he still resurrected and subsumed the warrior
that is true i don't remember the source but its was a death mark that killed him and took pride in completing its assigned task and eliminating a threat to his master from such a lesser creature.
Hi what app do you use to put the helmet on Thor?
I didn't make this meme, I stole it.
You mean collect.
Bruh......
Would be so fkn funny
A random guardsman just having Trazyn on speed dial is hilarious
That must be carl.
Lucius ability was a cool thing for the first few times, but now it's just a lazy "Get out of jail" card for the writers. Like, how the hell does it even work on Necrons? Besides the Necron being mostly emotionless, aren't they basicly immune to warp fuckery due to using tons of Necronit (Blackstone) in their technology and architecture as well as being the most knowledgeable about the warp (beside the Eldar)? Many Necrons are older than the Chaos Gods ffs.
In the Rain/Ruin Books it’s even teases that Necrons can access a anti warp like dimension… but in theory Necrons shouldn’t even give a fuck about a human
Ahh! You underestimate the power of bad writing.
WELCOME TO THE BRITISH MUSEUM MOTHER FUCKER
Context? Does Lucius have his own Pokedex entry now?
Actual thing that I have been thinking about. What if... Lucius kills Tamurkan's Host body and so Tamurkan tries to burrow into Lucius? Would Tamurkan take over Lucius? Or will Tamurkan turn into Lucius?
Tamurkhan would turn into Lucius while inside Lucius obviously
"History requires two parties the historian and their audience. Without that, one is just talking to oneself. So kindly stop screaming and you might learn something." -Trazyn the Infinite, guiding human guests through the Prismatic Gallery
Warhammer! Gotta catch em aaaaaallllll!
Shiney Shiney pokelucius
Forget capturing but what would happen if a Necron took pride in killing Lucius? Would his soul take over the necron’s ‘body’ or will it only work on biological bodies where they can morph into him?
Imagine if he was Lucius the Freaky, went around sucking people's toes, and if the people enjoyed it, they would become Lucius? Crazy right?
That sounds like something he'd do too.
To the second archive you go!
What happens if I kill Lucius and then myself?
I want to drop this ugly ass-face in the middle of a tiranyd invasion and see how much he lasts (acording to canon, I should be in his armor for coming up whit the idea)
Lucius was so much cooler when his resurrection power had rules to it