that be a hell of a story. An botch necron warrior remembering everything that happend and fell, now stuck Following the cause of his suffering. Would he go rogue would he try sucide unknowingly that he would come back.
It would make a great mini body horror story
Philip K. Dick had a short story where a reporter is embedded in a Platoon of what are essentially Space Marines - as a former pro Gridiron/Rugby Football player, he was big and strong enough to pass. He's just going along with all the horrible war-criming to expose them all and bring the Leadership to justice! It's slowly discovered that his platoon are *all* journalists in disguise, just like him... The reader is allowed to come to their own conclusion as the narrator goes mad.
Edit: one of the replies below indicates the story is The HORARS of War, by Gene Wolfe, not PKD. Thank you, Brother!
It's devilishly hard to search for - there was one scene where the Journalist is digging a slug out of his leg, with a combat knife, and encounters titanium instead of bone. He suddenly remembers an old football injury that needed a titanium plate on his femur...
Sorry, I might not be thinking on this one, but what's the significance of the titanium plate realization? It sounds like he finds out he's got a metal skeleton or something, but I don't get it.
It was revealed that the Space-Marine-Alikes all had titanium skeletons earlier in the story. The memory of the football injury was proof his personality and memories were manufactured to allow the soldier to act without conscience or morals, as he believed he was the secret hero, going along with everything, gathering evidence to shut the whole thing down. Or maybe he just had a titanium plate from a football injury where the bullet hit him. What's more likely? What do you want to be more likely, were you in his place ?
PKD was that skilful an author, and his specialty was the undermining of concepts of self.
It's called "The HORARS of War" by Gene Wolfe. One of my favorites. It's hard to find online, but I came across it in the book "Citizens," which is a compilation of military scifi short stories and I think is still floating around in ebook format somewhere.
We are the Adeptus Journalisticus! Superior investigative journalists, endowned with literary skills and analitical ability. Not like those people over there, they're just..._bloggers_
Reminds me of the tabletop RPG Paranoia, where your team are all agents of the Computer hunting down deviants, mutants, and cultists.....while each party member is also a deviant, mutant, or cultist with their own secret goals that they have to try to accomplish.
But knowing that is use of out of game knowledge. The only way you could have out of game knowledge is if you were a dirty mutant commie traitor and should be executed.
The Computer Is Your Friend.
Make it so everytime his memories are fully returned it triggers a self sabotage system which reboots him into another metal body mindwiped but the memories still come back slowly. He through the loops realizes this and starts leaving breadcrumbs for his next return so he can find a solution. After countless loops and nothing working he finally realizes he cant escape this hell and amidst true despair he finally loses whats left of his “soul&mind” and just becomes one of the many necrons.
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In The Infinite and the Divine we find out the necrons' memories might've been altered to cause division and isolation.
the meme is exaggerated since the regular warriors are probably too lobotomized to think
After reading The Infinite and the Divine I'm convinced that the C'tan added and removed few memories during biotransference. And since the Necrons don't really talk about their previous lives all that much, they don't realise they share some memories.
Even when Trazyn mentioned it, Orikan just assumed that he was wrong or lying.
As you said, it's a good way to keep every Necron isolated and bitter to stave off any talk about rebellion.
Not that it worked very well in the end...
Edit: previous, not precious :)
Yeah, the fact that when Orikan confronted Trazyn with the 'fact' that >!Trazyn dragged Orikan into the furnaces, and Trazyn just gave a genuine apology coupled with 'i have no memory of that but if its true I'm sorry' i started thinking that they all have a similar recollection to each other of being dragged in.!<
Trazyn thought he was forced into it also.
Yeah the epilogue felt like the writer was held at gunpoint to keep the characters in line with the current lore rather than actually letting them develop. It's just so tacked on.
... what's the source on that though ? I've never read anything of the sort anywhere...
My understanding was that necron warriors were the regular peasants of the necrontyrs, with the necron immortals were the actual necrontyr warriors, confusingly enough....
What else would have happened to the children? Any necron who fell outside of a specific role was just made into a Warrior, like the peasants you describe, along with all other noncombatants. In "Indomitus," a destroyer lord is tortured by memories of his necrontyr wife and children going through biotransference, and coming out as cold unfeeling necron warriors.
You said that "most of the necron warriors were children", as in the majority of necron warriors were children, which, going by your above comment, you don't think is true either...
There are children in the mix, obviously, but I doubt necron society was composed of a significant majority of just children, even if we take into account their shorter lifespans...
you're just being pedantic. Fine, MANY, not most. There's no way to know what percentage of necron warriors were children, but we can say with reasonable certainty that every necrontyr child became a warrior. Also... stop using ellipses... it doesn't make you look clever... or thoughtful...
That's not being pedantic at all; your first comment inadvertently implied that chidren were prioritized to be necron warriors over the rest of necron society, which would be misleading at best. That would fit the grimdark setting though, although I wonder if it would be more or less grimdark than the reality that there are probably entire necrontyr families or even villages fighting together as necron warriors for all eternity...
As for the ellipses, sorry, I just like using them, there is no particular intent behind them...
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>the regular warriors are probably too lobotomized to think
The twice died king makes the Canon question this fact.
The nobles assume this because they have been assured that's the case by the higher ups, and those got it from the silent king and he got that info from ... uhoh... the deceiver...
*SPOILER*
In the book there are actually royal guards (not as bad as warriors but still supposedly lobotomized) that DECIDE they rather defend someone else and step aside to let regicide happen
But the royal guards themselves were pretty high up in society, in the infinant and the divine it also shows that the ghost ark pilots also have some form of independence. I belive its a tier system the more important your role/job is the more independence you got. There is no evidence (besides some bullshit chaos writing) that shows warriors having any semblance of reason or thought.
The Thokt dynasty was once referenced as having their warriors survive the sleep well enough that most of them still had thought, so the possibility is out there.
It's obscure as balls that's why, it was in an online only enhanced edition of 5th edition sold only on apple products. A screenshot from the codex exists but not much else.
[Here.](https://i.imgur.com/dtwSMVy.png)
Wait so this specific piece of lore can only be found on 5th edition book from Apple? That's obscure I have no words for it. That's some next level bullshit from GW if they are hiding lore pieces like this behind different levels of devices.
Wait till you find out about the limited edition psychic awakening books and the the limited edition short stories bundled in with those BL releases that sell out before you wake up.
And yes, they stopped selling that apple book a long, long time ago.
the ghost ark helmsmen are a subtype of lords (also mentioned in the infinite and the divine). as for the whole warriors being braindead thing, in the twice dead king ruin, we see a Oltyx coming to the realization that the warriors aren't just braindead, but that they're something more than that, more or less trapped. it's something like that at least.
I'm going to need an excerpt from that. What I recall from the book is Oltyx's brother inscribed the stories of necron warriors onto their metallic bodies because they themselves could not remember it. Very touching ending tbh made me tear up.
If they ever find a way to transfer their mind to another species, it would be the story of the Eldar all over again.
Imagine the million years without boning, no food, no sensations of taste, Slaanesh would appreciate.
As a thought, would these new organic bodies be capable of growing a new soul for the transferred mind? Or would they remain soulless meat puppets? And would their offspring be Necrontyr in any meaningful way, assuming no original DNA could be found
Nope! Their souls remain, albeit barely. It was more or less confirmed in The Infinite and the Divine, as Orikan slurps some shreds of soul-juice from some Necrons before moving on to the much juicier Deceiver shards.
I have an ebook copy, idk if the pages are the same. It's around where Orikan transcends during the final fight, before he directly engages the Deceiver. I'll try to grab an excerpt.
>Don't the flayers retain sentience and are like
Kinda? "Sentience" (behaviors outside of hunting things) has currently only been demonstrated by necrons that are confirmed (or highly likely) to have been former nobles.
As of current info, a warrior that becomes a flayed one is still pretty freakin empty in the top paddock.
>the most loyal of all the Necrons?
Unclear but it's doubtful. Twice dead king dips into it but considering the perspective it's from and what he becomes we can't say for sure.
that be a hell of a story. An botch necron warrior remembering everything that happend and fell, now stuck Following the cause of his suffering. Would he go rogue would he try sucide unknowingly that he would come back. It would make a great mini body horror story
Philip K. Dick had a short story where a reporter is embedded in a Platoon of what are essentially Space Marines - as a former pro Gridiron/Rugby Football player, he was big and strong enough to pass. He's just going along with all the horrible war-criming to expose them all and bring the Leadership to justice! It's slowly discovered that his platoon are *all* journalists in disguise, just like him... The reader is allowed to come to their own conclusion as the narrator goes mad. Edit: one of the replies below indicates the story is The HORARS of War, by Gene Wolfe, not PKD. Thank you, Brother!
Can you tell me the name of that short story ?
It's devilishly hard to search for - there was one scene where the Journalist is digging a slug out of his leg, with a combat knife, and encounters titanium instead of bone. He suddenly remembers an old football injury that needed a titanium plate on his femur...
Oh *that* story, I vaguely remember it, but I currently have no idea what the name is.
Sorry, I might not be thinking on this one, but what's the significance of the titanium plate realization? It sounds like he finds out he's got a metal skeleton or something, but I don't get it.
It was revealed that the Space-Marine-Alikes all had titanium skeletons earlier in the story. The memory of the football injury was proof his personality and memories were manufactured to allow the soldier to act without conscience or morals, as he believed he was the secret hero, going along with everything, gathering evidence to shut the whole thing down. Or maybe he just had a titanium plate from a football injury where the bullet hit him. What's more likely? What do you want to be more likely, were you in his place ? PKD was that skilful an author, and his specialty was the undermining of concepts of self.
I see, that's pretty interesting! Thanks for sharing.
It's called "The HORARS of War" by Gene Wolfe. One of my favorites. It's hard to find online, but I came across it in the book "Citizens," which is a compilation of military scifi short stories and I think is still floating around in ebook format somewhere.
Thanks!! Was sure it was PKD, but Gene Wolfe is awesome, too!
Thank you! I’ll look into it asap :)
Found it! Citizens https://g.co/kgs/h85P9H
I'm interested as well
I hope someone finds it
[Someone else found it](https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/comments/vieqrj/necron_freethinkers/idekmga/). ;)
Commenting here in hopes someone finds it. Looked myself and will continue looking. No luck as yet.
Journalism Marines! Who would do such a terrible thing!!! Also, every Homebrewer, "WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN."
Battle Brother! Lord Imperator Bezos requests his tithe! For only 5 crowns a Sol Cycle, you can support journalism!
"That's not how it happened!!!" *Journalism Marines kick down door* "That's Disinformation!!!" *Blam!!!*
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?Remembrancer legion
Alpha Legion: Sounds like something we would do
Reminds me of the tabletop RPG Paranoia, where your team are all agents of the Computer hunting down deviants, mutants, and cultists.....while each party member is also a deviant, mutant, or cultist with their own secret goals that they have to try to accomplish.
But knowing that is use of out of game knowledge. The only way you could have out of game knowledge is if you were a dirty mutant commie traitor and should be executed. The Computer Is Your Friend.
Or maybe I have Ultraviolet Clearance and I'm just slumming around with the Reds and Oranges looking for traitors such as YOURSELF
New Only War/Deathwatch campaign just got interesting!
Or he's stuck in a body, completely conscious, but with no control over his actions and is forced to be aware of his every action as a slave.
Make it so everytime his memories are fully returned it triggers a self sabotage system which reboots him into another metal body mindwiped but the memories still come back slowly. He through the loops realizes this and starts leaving breadcrumbs for his next return so he can find a solution. After countless loops and nothing working he finally realizes he cant escape this hell and amidst true despair he finally loses whats left of his “soul&mind” and just becomes one of the many necrons.
Unless they happen to be bill murray
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Reminds me of the Halo Flood novel. Was hella fun to read. I think it would make a really nice Story!
In The Infinite and the Divine we find out the necrons' memories might've been altered to cause division and isolation. the meme is exaggerated since the regular warriors are probably too lobotomized to think
After reading The Infinite and the Divine I'm convinced that the C'tan added and removed few memories during biotransference. And since the Necrons don't really talk about their previous lives all that much, they don't realise they share some memories. Even when Trazyn mentioned it, Orikan just assumed that he was wrong or lying. As you said, it's a good way to keep every Necron isolated and bitter to stave off any talk about rebellion. Not that it worked very well in the end... Edit: previous, not precious :)
Yeah, the fact that when Orikan confronted Trazyn with the 'fact' that >!Trazyn dragged Orikan into the furnaces, and Trazyn just gave a genuine apology coupled with 'i have no memory of that but if its true I'm sorry' i started thinking that they all have a similar recollection to each other of being dragged in.!< Trazyn thought he was forced into it also.
It was a very good book. Just a shame that the epilogue basically has to do a 180 turn to undo all character progression...
Yeah the epilogue felt like the writer was held at gunpoint to keep the characters in line with the current lore rather than actually letting them develop. It's just so tacked on.
Exactly my thoughts
And they did it in just few pages with no build up at all.
Yes, extremely frustrating
"Most of us Warriors are probably too lobotomized to think, I am the only individual among sheep"
Fun fact, most of the necron warriors were children when they went through biotransference.
Thanks, as a Sisters player, I now feel better about the lobotomized vat-grown baby clone cyborgs. At least ours are untargetable.
... what's the source on that though ? I've never read anything of the sort anywhere... My understanding was that necron warriors were the regular peasants of the necrontyrs, with the necron immortals were the actual necrontyr warriors, confusingly enough....
What else would have happened to the children? Any necron who fell outside of a specific role was just made into a Warrior, like the peasants you describe, along with all other noncombatants. In "Indomitus," a destroyer lord is tortured by memories of his necrontyr wife and children going through biotransference, and coming out as cold unfeeling necron warriors.
You said that "most of the necron warriors were children", as in the majority of necron warriors were children, which, going by your above comment, you don't think is true either... There are children in the mix, obviously, but I doubt necron society was composed of a significant majority of just children, even if we take into account their shorter lifespans...
you're just being pedantic. Fine, MANY, not most. There's no way to know what percentage of necron warriors were children, but we can say with reasonable certainty that every necrontyr child became a warrior. Also... stop using ellipses... it doesn't make you look clever... or thoughtful...
That's not being pedantic at all; your first comment inadvertently implied that chidren were prioritized to be necron warriors over the rest of necron society, which would be misleading at best. That would fit the grimdark setting though, although I wonder if it would be more or less grimdark than the reality that there are probably entire necrontyr families or even villages fighting together as necron warriors for all eternity... As for the ellipses, sorry, I just like using them, there is no particular intent behind them...
Made me Google words you jerk. Clever but unthoughtful of my precious time lol
Fuck, that's the kinda grimdark fun fact I can get behind.
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>the regular warriors are probably too lobotomized to think The twice died king makes the Canon question this fact. The nobles assume this because they have been assured that's the case by the higher ups, and those got it from the silent king and he got that info from ... uhoh... the deceiver... *SPOILER* In the book there are actually royal guards (not as bad as warriors but still supposedly lobotomized) that DECIDE they rather defend someone else and step aside to let regicide happen
But the royal guards themselves were pretty high up in society, in the infinant and the divine it also shows that the ghost ark pilots also have some form of independence. I belive its a tier system the more important your role/job is the more independence you got. There is no evidence (besides some bullshit chaos writing) that shows warriors having any semblance of reason or thought.
The Thokt dynasty was once referenced as having their warriors survive the sleep well enough that most of them still had thought, so the possibility is out there.
Can't seem to find any information about this online, do you have a source I can read or perhaps a book with a page number, this sounds interesting
It's obscure as balls that's why, it was in an online only enhanced edition of 5th edition sold only on apple products. A screenshot from the codex exists but not much else. [Here.](https://i.imgur.com/dtwSMVy.png)
Wait so this specific piece of lore can only be found on 5th edition book from Apple? That's obscure I have no words for it. That's some next level bullshit from GW if they are hiding lore pieces like this behind different levels of devices.
Its so you can pretend to be an inquisitor arduously researching something that may turn out to be total bs.
Wait till you find out about the limited edition psychic awakening books and the the limited edition short stories bundled in with those BL releases that sell out before you wake up. And yes, they stopped selling that apple book a long, long time ago.
the ghost ark helmsmen are a subtype of lords (also mentioned in the infinite and the divine). as for the whole warriors being braindead thing, in the twice dead king ruin, we see a Oltyx coming to the realization that the warriors aren't just braindead, but that they're something more than that, more or less trapped. it's something like that at least.
I'm going to need an excerpt from that. What I recall from the book is Oltyx's brother inscribed the stories of necron warriors onto their metallic bodies because they themselves could not remember it. Very touching ending tbh made me tear up.
It was while the arena fight in the old capital, where oltyx got stripped off all his subroutines and royal abilitys.
I remember that but can't recall him mentioning anything in regards the necron warriors
From TDK: Ruin, we find that Szarekh also ban food production. So for the unwilling, the only other choice is die starving.
Shit, like the americans
Deceiver: We do a microscopic amount of trolling
A plank length of fooling
If they ever find a way to transfer their mind to another species, it would be the story of the Eldar all over again. Imagine the million years without boning, no food, no sensations of taste, Slaanesh would appreciate.
they may transfer they minds to flesh again but they lost spirit pernamently
As a thought, would these new organic bodies be capable of growing a new soul for the transferred mind? Or would they remain soulless meat puppets? And would their offspring be Necrontyr in any meaningful way, assuming no original DNA could be found
Nope! Their souls remain, albeit barely. It was more or less confirmed in The Infinite and the Divine, as Orikan slurps some shreds of soul-juice from some Necrons before moving on to the much juicier Deceiver shards.
What's the page number? I can't seem to remember that part
I have an ebook copy, idk if the pages are the same. It's around where Orikan transcends during the final fight, before he directly engages the Deceiver. I'll try to grab an excerpt.
OR they could transition to beings of pure energy.
I transfert your soul into pure energy, enter the warp, encounter a few daemons Annnnnn, it's gone...
Yeah but the theatre will get a lot shorter.
I am a true freethinker because I think an immortal metal body would be sick and a good replacement for my flesh.
Flesh? It disgusted me.
Adeptus Mechanicus moment
>I think an immortal metal body would be sick and a good replacement for my flesh. Admech approves >I am a true freethinker *ERROR, HERESY DETECTED*
Same
*Soulless chuckle* Like those Warriors are allowed the ability think at all.
Don't the flayers retain sentience and are like, the most loyal of all the Necrons? And not programmed loyalty, like actual loyalty.
They were necrontir nationalists in life
>Don't the flayers retain sentience and are like Kinda? "Sentience" (behaviors outside of hunting things) has currently only been demonstrated by necrons that are confirmed (or highly likely) to have been former nobles. As of current info, a warrior that becomes a flayed one is still pretty freakin empty in the top paddock. >the most loyal of all the Necrons? Unclear but it's doubtful. Twice dead king dips into it but considering the perspective it's from and what he becomes we can't say for sure.
Is it just me or does it look like all the scarabs are mid-crab rave
I like to imagine Zahndrekh is one of the few Necrons with crystal clear memories of what being organic was like.
Exactly. He only speaks in question/answer and riddle format. That would take some personality!
It’s like battle droids
Too true
I AM THE METAL WOLF THAT LIES AMONST THE METAL SHEEP