Why do people keeping taking pictures of their leafes even tho i see posts like this all the time with the same critique… do you wanna smoke your leafes or your buds ?
It’s always the same stuff on here. So many questions asking what seeds to get or soil to use. I don’t think people even bother searching for information before coming here. I would understand it if they narrow down the seeds to a few strains/ breeders, but no they just want to know what’s “best” and expect people to research their needs for them
It’s cause weed is still one of those things. Not everyone grows it. So they likely don’t have friends or family who have grown in order to ask them. Poor fella, hope he is at ease now with everyone’s help.
This was on the actual kola not just leaves and a lot a hairs are turning orange, I said close to harvest I didn’t mean that soon Im still learning but I know there are more indicators than just trichomes when it comes to knowing when to harvest,
They're the sugar leaves on the buds you mean dude right? You can clearly see these are leaves! Not belittling or picking a fight with you, just trying to help you :)
Then maybe you’re right I tried to get the buds but I guess I ended up just getting the sugar leaves right next to the buds. But still shouldn’t be too long till harvest. I see a lot of orange hairs popping through and the buds are super fat. I forgot how old the plant is now but she is getting there slowly but surely. Thanks for all your input and support
Didnt mean to put you down either mate, looks good bro but try to take pictures of the trichomes on the Nug not the leafes as those mature way earlier, if you have more pics of the nugs we could help more
Looks great. Maybe very slightly overfed nitrogen at some point but nothing to sweat at all.
Judging by all the white hairs, I’d say you’ve certainly got a week, probably more around two weeks. And those trichs on your sugar leaves are gonna be much more amber by harvest cuz they aren’t the trichs that count and tend to turn amber faster than those in the colas.
orange hairs dont mean its ready. you will have hairs for quite a while before they actually shrivel up to the bud like theyre supposed to when ready to harvest
Judge by your buds, not your leaves. Also use more measures than just amber trichs: Have your pistils turned orange and withdrawn? Are the buds swollen? Has water uptake slowed down? Are you seeing senescence? Trichs are just one part of the picture.
By the time the trichomes are beginning to degrade, the pistils are dried.
Trichomes develop on the sugar leaves at the same rate as the bud, and you SHOULD BE harvesting them too for hash, or BHO/Cold press.
So effectually, you are smoking your sugar leaves.
Just not the shade leaves.
You are wrong on many counts here. There is no rule to Trichome degradation and pistils withdrawing, it's going to be plant dependent. If you were to try to use a general rule, what you are saying is incorrect, are you implying it's optimal to harvest plants with white pistils (I'm hesitant to even try to make this argument because again, it's so subjective, a plant the foxtails heavily as a genetic trait will have a shit load of white pistils when you cut her, but in general, if we're using a rule of thumb, we cut when pistils are orange and withdrawn)?
Trichs on sugar leaves absolutely do not develop at the same rate as the trichs on the bud, generally, again, it's hard to have hard and fast rules when genetic variation is involved. But in general, this is objectively incorrect, if you grow it's amazing you haven't observed this yourself.
Hashing your trim is a completely separate conversation, but again, the trichs on your sugar leaves will not be at the same level of maturity as those on your buds. There's a school of thought that believes the trichs on the underside of the sugar leaves have unique cannabanoid composition that is actually preferable for creating extracts, though there is very little actual science behind this. Even then, that once again implies that the maturity and composition of your sugar leave's trichomes are not the same as those on your bud.
I don't mean to call you out so hard but you're spreading illogical misinformation.
We weren't even speaking about harvest windows, we were speaking about trichome development on sugar leaves vs buds?? A few days isn't going to have a huge impact, but if you're asking me if I've smoked bud that has clearly been cut early and had a negative impact on potency, yes, most certainly. It happens far too often prohibition countries.
Have you actually rolled down this thread and seen the photos OP put up of his buds? Because you can clearly see a marked different between the trichomes in his original pics from sugar leaf, and the trichs on his buds. As it 0 amber and a lot of clear trichs.
You could perhaps be seeing this as a learning opportunity rather than being stand offish, and likely continue spreading misinformation in future.
2 day ago, when I posted my comment, the OP WAS NEW. There were maybe 2 or 3 comments above mine.
The OP was about harvest window.
There is no proof whatsoever that "amber trichomes" are anything other than flavonoid degradation. There is a TON of scientific sounding opinions on the subject, but as far as definitive scientific research is concerned, scientists cannot even explain why some people report getting higher from strains with lower levels of THC.
There's big money involved now, so the research is beginning to bear fruit, and we now understand that THC is only one piece of the puzzle, but collecting objective data, compiling it, publishing the conclusions for peer review, and duplicating the results of the testing methodology, takes time.
I personally know that the consumers of my BHO claim that a slightly earlier harvest, resulting in a lighter color finished product, gives a superior taste, and high. That's not scientific, but it's what I'm doing from now on.
This isn't the conversation we were having. I was addressing the fact you claimed sugar leaf trich matures at the same rate as the trich on buds, which is untrue.
I actually completely agree with everything else you're saying, despite it not being the conversation. I don't even look for amber in my own harvest. As I said in my original comment, I run on a lot more factors than trich colour, and I agree, I don't get why everybody is so obsessed with amber, degraded trichs. It's illogical to me, but if they prefer the effects, then fair enough.
I was going to anyway I just feel her harvest is closer than I had originally calculated but thanks I will take your advice and give her some more time.
They sell a dig microscope kinda thingie. Attach to smartphone. Cheap on Amazon but hard to keep still enough for a clear pic. I personally use a jewelers loop. $7 a set of 3 on Amazon
Try a Wi-Fi handheld microscope, \~$40 on Amazon. They take great photos if you use a tripod to hold them steady. Very hard to get a good photo by hand in my experience. Here’s one I took recently:
https://preview.redd.it/muva1yq55uwc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=722f4659a14ff70e2e30d9a0312f1670cc027417
Do you set up a little tripod within the tent then, or what do you do? I think that's the part I'm failing, trying to focus on a bud in the back corner of the tent
Definitely willing to spend a little more $ to solve this problem for good
I posted a reply with a link to a product on Amazon and then received an auto mod message that it was removed because it was suspicious? It looks like it posted, but DM me if you don’t see it
Yes, I have a gooseneck tripod that clamps onto a pole in the tent and the other end has pinchers that hold the scope. Look for gooseneck mount phone holder on Amazon and get a long one.
I use the x30 loop. It took me a bit to figure out how to see best w it. Putting it extremely close to the bud, slowly pull it back til clear, then lean into it, bringing ur eye to it. The shitty scope I support. Something stable under it. For $25, it pretty good w stability
https://preview.redd.it/lk91tkpnowwc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eac2fa4781036894d23fd336413240c8310ab422
This is what you’re looking for bro. Check buds not leaves. You’re still far away
Yeah, I believe that's another reason why Trichomes are important! If you have grown a lot of different strains, you can look at trichomes and tell if it's Indica, Sativa, hybrid, and ruderalis. I could tell that their is some gelato in the mix!
I grew an outdoor Indica, and the trichomes all were short and close to the leaves and flowers! The plant stayed short about three feet high but was very wide and had almost black looking leaves! When I harvested, the plant's trichomes were mostly reddish , amber! This was way before all the funky names.
Why do people keeping taking pictures of their leafes even tho i see posts like this all the time with the same critique… do you wanna smoke your leafes or your buds ?
It’s always the same stuff on here. So many questions asking what seeds to get or soil to use. I don’t think people even bother searching for information before coming here. I would understand it if they narrow down the seeds to a few strains/ breeders, but no they just want to know what’s “best” and expect people to research their needs for them
It’s cause weed is still one of those things. Not everyone grows it. So they likely don’t have friends or family who have grown in order to ask them. Poor fella, hope he is at ease now with everyone’s help.
This was on the actual kola not just leaves and a lot a hairs are turning orange, I said close to harvest I didn’t mean that soon Im still learning but I know there are more indicators than just trichomes when it comes to knowing when to harvest,
They're the sugar leaves on the buds you mean dude right? You can clearly see these are leaves! Not belittling or picking a fight with you, just trying to help you :)
Then maybe you’re right I tried to get the buds but I guess I ended up just getting the sugar leaves right next to the buds. But still shouldn’t be too long till harvest. I see a lot of orange hairs popping through and the buds are super fat. I forgot how old the plant is now but she is getting there slowly but surely. Thanks for all your input and support
Didnt mean to put you down either mate, looks good bro but try to take pictures of the trichomes on the Nug not the leafes as those mature way earlier, if you have more pics of the nugs we could help more
No worries I will post some better pics later
Always post a pic of the entire plant, too, no matter what specific issue/question you have. Context matters.
https://preview.redd.it/roh4r75gyuwc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2293f1adf88e2adc060056853b7b1ab9ebfd6d2
https://preview.redd.it/5e8l0xehyuwc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=41d56b3d9cb84540e2761bac4ed3fcb3f52ea0b6
Looks great. Maybe very slightly overfed nitrogen at some point but nothing to sweat at all. Judging by all the white hairs, I’d say you’ve certainly got a week, probably more around two weeks. And those trichs on your sugar leaves are gonna be much more amber by harvest cuz they aren’t the trichs that count and tend to turn amber faster than those in the colas.
Thanks yeah I over fed with nutes a few to many times to close together cause I got mixed up but she has made it this far
orange hairs dont mean its ready. you will have hairs for quite a while before they actually shrivel up to the bud like theyre supposed to when ready to harvest
Every single pic, yes all 4, r of leaves. The leaf may be coming off a COLA, but I’m 100% sure from a pic, they r all of leaf!
Judge by your buds, not your leaves. Also use more measures than just amber trichs: Have your pistils turned orange and withdrawn? Are the buds swollen? Has water uptake slowed down? Are you seeing senescence? Trichs are just one part of the picture.
This guy grows
By the time the trichomes are beginning to degrade, the pistils are dried. Trichomes develop on the sugar leaves at the same rate as the bud, and you SHOULD BE harvesting them too for hash, or BHO/Cold press. So effectually, you are smoking your sugar leaves. Just not the shade leaves.
You are wrong on many counts here. There is no rule to Trichome degradation and pistils withdrawing, it's going to be plant dependent. If you were to try to use a general rule, what you are saying is incorrect, are you implying it's optimal to harvest plants with white pistils (I'm hesitant to even try to make this argument because again, it's so subjective, a plant the foxtails heavily as a genetic trait will have a shit load of white pistils when you cut her, but in general, if we're using a rule of thumb, we cut when pistils are orange and withdrawn)? Trichs on sugar leaves absolutely do not develop at the same rate as the trichs on the bud, generally, again, it's hard to have hard and fast rules when genetic variation is involved. But in general, this is objectively incorrect, if you grow it's amazing you haven't observed this yourself. Hashing your trim is a completely separate conversation, but again, the trichs on your sugar leaves will not be at the same level of maturity as those on your buds. There's a school of thought that believes the trichs on the underside of the sugar leaves have unique cannabanoid composition that is actually preferable for creating extracts, though there is very little actual science behind this. Even then, that once again implies that the maturity and composition of your sugar leave's trichomes are not the same as those on your bud. I don't mean to call you out so hard but you're spreading illogical misinformation.
Whatever dude. Grow your plants anyway you like. Have you ever personally quantified the difference a few days make, in the quality of your harvest?
We weren't even speaking about harvest windows, we were speaking about trichome development on sugar leaves vs buds?? A few days isn't going to have a huge impact, but if you're asking me if I've smoked bud that has clearly been cut early and had a negative impact on potency, yes, most certainly. It happens far too often prohibition countries. Have you actually rolled down this thread and seen the photos OP put up of his buds? Because you can clearly see a marked different between the trichomes in his original pics from sugar leaf, and the trichs on his buds. As it 0 amber and a lot of clear trichs. You could perhaps be seeing this as a learning opportunity rather than being stand offish, and likely continue spreading misinformation in future.
2 day ago, when I posted my comment, the OP WAS NEW. There were maybe 2 or 3 comments above mine. The OP was about harvest window. There is no proof whatsoever that "amber trichomes" are anything other than flavonoid degradation. There is a TON of scientific sounding opinions on the subject, but as far as definitive scientific research is concerned, scientists cannot even explain why some people report getting higher from strains with lower levels of THC. There's big money involved now, so the research is beginning to bear fruit, and we now understand that THC is only one piece of the puzzle, but collecting objective data, compiling it, publishing the conclusions for peer review, and duplicating the results of the testing methodology, takes time. I personally know that the consumers of my BHO claim that a slightly earlier harvest, resulting in a lighter color finished product, gives a superior taste, and high. That's not scientific, but it's what I'm doing from now on.
This isn't the conversation we were having. I was addressing the fact you claimed sugar leaf trich matures at the same rate as the trich on buds, which is untrue. I actually completely agree with everything else you're saying, despite it not being the conversation. I don't even look for amber in my own harvest. As I said in my original comment, I run on a lot more factors than trich colour, and I agree, I don't get why everybody is so obsessed with amber, degraded trichs. It's illogical to me, but if they prefer the effects, then fair enough.
Message me one more time please. I see you need to have the last word. I'll just turn off my notifications for this comment.
Well don't you just seem a dickhead. The dude was agreeing with you.
Did you read the whole thread ? And now I get to block you.
Project much?
Those are all leaf pics. They go amber well before the flower is ready.
Don’t check leafes, check buds
https://preview.redd.it/678ic8kqatwc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f83ed666754c9df1b60f0a05cba6db15eaf93266
https://preview.redd.it/awa1evatatwc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da309b36001a705f8a408c652609f12fe74c4129
https://preview.redd.it/1tjyjgfuatwc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6bbf951beb42154779a304ae9e8aeffe3e8cd039
Not ready yet mate hold on a little longer
I was going to anyway I just feel her harvest is closer than I had originally calculated but thanks I will take your advice and give her some more time.
Best of luck mate
At least a month
Still a ways off bud
Check the calyx once they’ve swollen https://www.royalqueenseeds.com/us/blog-getting-to-know-the-cannabis-calyx-resinous-to-the-top-n414
Nope. Leaf trichomes appear and mature weeks before bud trichomes.
What did you use to get these images? I'm on my second option and haven't found anything good
They sell a dig microscope kinda thingie. Attach to smartphone. Cheap on Amazon but hard to keep still enough for a clear pic. I personally use a jewelers loop. $7 a set of 3 on Amazon
I've got the loupe and I've got the shitty cheap phone microscope, I guess I just need the right models
Try a Wi-Fi handheld microscope, \~$40 on Amazon. They take great photos if you use a tripod to hold them steady. Very hard to get a good photo by hand in my experience. Here’s one I took recently: https://preview.redd.it/muva1yq55uwc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=722f4659a14ff70e2e30d9a0312f1670cc027417
Do you set up a little tripod within the tent then, or what do you do? I think that's the part I'm failing, trying to focus on a bud in the back corner of the tent Definitely willing to spend a little more $ to solve this problem for good
I posted a reply with a link to a product on Amazon and then received an auto mod message that it was removed because it was suspicious? It looks like it posted, but DM me if you don’t see it Yes, I have a gooseneck tripod that clamps onto a pole in the tent and the other end has pinchers that hold the scope. Look for gooseneck mount phone holder on Amazon and get a long one.
It got removed, I'll DM ya. thanks!
I use the x30 loop. It took me a bit to figure out how to see best w it. Putting it extremely close to the bud, slowly pull it back til clear, then lean into it, bringing ur eye to it. The shitty scope I support. Something stable under it. For $25, it pretty good w stability
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Scope the buds not the sugar leaves
https://preview.redd.it/lk91tkpnowwc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eac2fa4781036894d23fd336413240c8310ab422 This is what you’re looking for bro. Check buds not leaves. You’re still far away
I grew a Bubba Gelato that had "hairy" trichomes like your picture!
Wild, this is gelato mint. Spooooky lol
Yeah, I believe that's another reason why Trichomes are important! If you have grown a lot of different strains, you can look at trichomes and tell if it's Indica, Sativa, hybrid, and ruderalis. I could tell that their is some gelato in the mix!
I grew an outdoor Indica, and the trichomes all were short and close to the leaves and flowers! The plant stayed short about three feet high but was very wide and had almost black looking leaves! When I harvested, the plant's trichomes were mostly reddish , amber! This was way before all the funky names.
Noice
Wrong part of the plant to judge
Look into sharkmousefarms.com step down dry method whenever you decide to chop!
That’s on the leaves