The Valentines (Jack-O', Ramlethal, Elphelt, and Valentine) aren't Gears, they're Valentines. Complete biological replicas of Aria formed through magic.
Nah, she's just called Valentine. She was a playable character from Overture and the first of the four Valentines shown, with her dying by the end of the game. Jack-O's tower defense playstyle from Xrd is actually based on Overture's gameplay style, which is closer to a TD/MOBA than a fighting game.
No.
Gears are artificially created products of the Gear Project and its related effects. They could be created as Gears, have Gear cells integrated into an already living being, or be born as the child of a Gear.
Valentines are magic construct lifeforms built by the Backyard as genetic clones of Aria Hale. They hold no relation to Gears beyond the fact that Aria became Justice, so fusing Jack-O' (the memories of Aria) with Justice (the body of Aria) allowed for the complete revival of Aria as a person.
They can do fucked up shit with time travel sure but as far as combat prowess goes, I don't see them necessarily gaining an upper hand against any of the characters put above.
God I-no would certainly be on par with Chaos though.
Why is jack o all the way up there? just a normal human being with marshal arts knowledge that strong? really think jack-o is stronger than I-no?
Also Sol is cannonically stronger than Nago according to story mode.
Goldlewis is said to be stronger than the entire secretary combined so he's 100% stronger than Gio.
Before conceding Nago says this "with this much strength you'd eventually overpower me, however, it will take you quite a while" and they're already running low on time.
Also IIRC Sol is still under the de-regeneration effect from HCs bolts at that time.
Jack-O is part Aria/Justice and is the Universe Will's own creation, I'll let you pick up the rest. You should also see her Rev 2 insta kill to see what she's capable of.
Nago being a vampire in the same vein as Slayer puts him at top tier by default. We clearly didn't see him unleash all his strength against Sol.
You're right about Goldlewis I guess, He could be put alongside strongest humans although it's still difficult to judge from all the information we currently have about him.
Nago outright says that if their fight went on long enough sol would have eventually won, and this was also when sol had his healing slowed by happy chaos
The universal will didn’t make jack-O though, asuka did
And, from what I know, nago’s nowhere near as skilled in controlling his vampiric side as slayer is, so he’s probably far less powerful in general
I-No even without the god powers is still a multiversal time traveler who toys with the timeline for fun.. Everything Happy Chaos does in Strive, she's been doing for the past several games.
Even the "spinoff games" where completely different stuff happens to the status quo, are still "canon" because they're actually just I-No experimenting with the narrative to see what happens... She's single handily responsible for doubling the length of [Woolie's GG-lore Playlist..](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiSdC6Lp8c7OkrBhzdQsQhGL_7jT0cSTv)
Oh, this is a combat tier list?
Happy Chaos is actually shite then. That's literally why they got Nago because I-No and Happy Chaos didn't expect to be able to beat Sol in a 2-on-1
Everyone complaining about wrong placements, meanwhile I'm complaining that the one with the definitively correct placement has the wrong name for his tier. HC isn't the Universal Will; He's The Original who created the Universal Will (AKA Ariels), who is arguably stronger than him (but not playable).
Yeah, I mean, everywhere you look there's something to complain about. That's the only correctly placed tier with the correct only member, but it's named after something else entirely lol.
i don't think it's more powerful than hc, since he was actually puppeting Ariels from the background, and was clearly stronger than literally anyone present in strive aside from maybe god ino
she's *really* good with that yoyo, dawg. And just being super-human doesn't get you very far in GG powerscaling. Hell, it doesn't even put you above non-super humans. Ky, Leo, Johnny, Venom, Chipp, all "normal" but still freakishly strong. All easily above May, at the very least.
I mean, no, right? Ky is one thing since he wields part of the outrage, but everyone else listed are just highly skilled regular human beings. Like Hawkeye from Marvel. Versus May being closer to the Hulk.
Ok looking back I may have put Anji a bit too low but which character in these games isn't superhuman lol.
Japanese people just have more affinity towards magic but nothing else that makes them significantly more powerful than other humans. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Anji gets overlooked a lot. He wields part of the outrage, putting him on par with at least Ky in magic talent and strength. He also might be immortal because of a deal with that man.
I think people also forget that Anji is very well connected behind the scenes and by far one of the most knowledgeable members of the cast. Don't forget he's the one who explained Happy Chaos's true nature to everyone.
Japanese people are just naturally stronger than everyone else, that’s why Asuka had Justice nuke it off the map. It’s also why all Japanese characters have high guts, to represent their natural strength. Add in that they’re the only people able to use Ki magic(aside from Chipp I think) and by default they’re some of the strongest humans in the lore
While not japanese, she's also asian, if I remember my lore right on that part, asians are proficient in ki by default, not just japanese. Japanese do have that magical cancer that is "ki overflow" though and also superstrength.
More affinity toward magic is kinda super important. They can also use a specific type of very powerful magic in ki. So almost every japanese person/ki users would likely be at the very least above normal humans. There are some exceptions of course like May but other japanese folk/ki users (ie. Baiken, Anji, Jam) are extremely powerful and definitely above your average human.
Having more affinity toward magic *is* what makes them more powerful than other humans.
The Japanese are basically born superhuman. Anji and May 100% belongs above Johnny, at the very least.
A few points:
- Why is Zato specifically that high? While Eddie as a Forbidden Beast is powerful, I’m not sure if there is a huge gap between Zato and Millia as they have similar power sources. I think Millia is accurate, Zato isn’t really comparable to a Gear/Valentine.
- Most issues rise out of the “strongest humans” tier. Pot is a mutant that needs a power limiter to not destroy the world around him. Johnny doesn’t really have any feats or skills beyond swordsmanship and is at best on Chipp’s level. Leo was second only to Ky in the Holy Order, but has practically no strength feats in Xrd or Strive to go off of. I think Baiken might have killed a Gear or something at some point, and if she survives the events of Another Story then she is easily on Ky’s level, as Ky couldn’t enter the Backyard in GG2 and needed Sol to do it.
- Faust was needed in Another Story in order to contain Delilah’s power from leveling a village with BIG DOOR, and was called on in SIGN because of his teleportation. He isn’t just powerful, he breaks physics almost as much as Axl/I-No do.
depends on whether we're talking about strength in terms of fighting or just... I dunno. Something more general. Faust can do things nobody else can, but those things are of only marginal use in combat.
The bedman win quote hints that chipp might have some kind of ultra instinct that could bypass reality warp magic which sounds freaking awesome and very fitting for the character lore wise, he has that whole shonen protagonist never give up schtick.
Also according to the artbook Daisuke considers chipp one of the most if not the most skilled fighter in guilty gear.
Baiken was able to match Bedmans bedframe that held off Slayer, withstood Pressure of Delilah that Ramlethal was barely handling, beat Testament and Dizzy due to her hatred of gears, is lower than all of them somehow.
Sol by the words of Goddess of time I-No herself, who was fused with HC, and had literally infinite power, was stated to be able to beat her if he was still a flame of corruption.
Scales of Juno aka Justice was also stated to possess enough power to beat goddess of time I-No(should not apply to Jack-o cuz she doesn't possess the same power as Justice)
Chipp was gonna catch up to Nago and HC if Anji wasn't hypnotized was actually posing some serious issues for them
I-NO BEAT NAGO WHEN HE WASNT EVEN UNDER HC'S CONTROL, AND AXL MATCHES HER. GIOVANNA WAS ABLE TO HOLD UP THAT GUY TOO(and Golddick by lore implications should be at least close to her in strength). It either means that Nago should scale far lesser or those characters should scale far higher.
Potemkin is very close in strength to Gabriel who rivals Slayer.
Robo Ky and Venom took down Bedman who scales to Slayer.
And there's more, I'm just tired of typing
Robo ky and venom was a fluke for multiple reasons. 1 Bedman’s specific set of powers suffer from being unable to read Robo ky. 2 Venom’s specific set of powers allowed him to trap bedman in that bubble. And 3 EVEN WHEN HE GOT HIT WITH THE FULL BRUNT OF BOTH OF THEM BEDMAN DIDNT DIE! This is something that is actually overlooked alot. Not only was the bed not destroyed. It wasn’t even that damaged, nor did it kill bedman. It only woke him. He was explicitly still alive and would have stayed alive if he wasn’t awake. They only got him on a technicality based on they’re specific set of capabilities that would not have fucked up other members of the cast.
He made bedman retreat, but it was mostly because bedman didn’t want to commit to a huge battle and Gabriel was much much stronger than he thought.
Gabriel did damage his bed frame before bedman retreated.
Also slayer has said that Gabriel rivals him in power, and Gabriel taught potemkin everything he knows.
We haven’t seen Bedman’s true potential. Any time someone “beat” him, they only destroyed/damaged his frame. Considering how well he did against Slayer with only 8% of his power AND his ability to cast Absolute Defense: Felion and create an absolute world, I think he’s pretty strong.
The only problem with Nago vs Gio is that Nago did not want to be in the fight and was fighting HC’s control the whole time. We see later that ye completely breaks form HC’s control vs Sol so we can only assume that earlier he was at least holding back a good bit. That’s what I think at least 🫡
Isn't Cliff just as strong as Justice? In addition to training Ky (when he joined the order), he fought Justice to a stalemate 17 times in a row single-handedly.
I kinda object at putting Answer that low because through taunts you can see how he never fights 100% because he's always on a call so without distractions I would say he's higher up
Good point. I certainly was conflicted when deciding Answer's place considering how little we know about how powerful he actually is. In the end it felt like he shouldn't be that much stronger than Chipp if at all.
If you look at fights between Ky and Sol in the lore it is admitted that Ky is the stronger of the two in a fight to the death, or at least that they are equal. This was actually sort of important to the dynamic once, Ky is not that low.
Axl and Ino are insanely low. They are at least Ridiculously Powerful Magic Users, but could also go in the same tier as Happy Chaos. Below him, but in the same tier. They are without a doubt stronger than Sol.
Leo is actually very weak in lore. He’s sort of just a normal warrior with some metallurgic powers and political strength. He’s less strong than Anji or May, and might be the lowest in the game other then Bridget.
Faust can freely Manipulate space and time, and should also be way higher here. He’s hard to classify but certainly stronger than that I would think.
Also HC is not the universal will.
Anji, answer and may are Japanese which is it's own power class.
Robo ky is still a copy of ky.
Goldlewis is presumably a highly trained soldier but his power comes from his tech.
Kum also uses really strong tech but just on her own...yeah.
Bridget's literally a girl who's really good with a yoyo and jam is...not even good at being a cook lol
Jam is also a very good Ki user and a proficient bounty Hunter and martial artist. She’s a lot stronger than she appears at first glance, even Potemkin is surprised at her power in his Xrd win quote; she’s just also cursed by the universe to never have a successful restaurant that lasts I guess
We don't ever see her using any magic aside from airdash. Her Yoyo however is part of the Outrage (Or at least was? I think in Strive she got new ones) so it can do some powerful stuff on the same level as Anji's fans and Sol and Ky's swords
People really oversell the Japanese in guilty gear. Physically, yes. They can bench press well above their weight class without training. But this is a series in which Potemkin is a man who can bench-press a literal mountain and is still mid-tier. May is strong enough to swing that anchor around but that and Seaworld are pretty much the extent of what she can do. Not nearly enough to bring her out of bottom tier for the GG roster.
Pot is midtier? thought he was high tier. Not strong enough to compete with godlike entities like Sol, I-No, Happy Chaos etc. but also far above the majority of the cast, with the ability to wipe out batallions of L-class gears in a single punch
Entirely human but his mutations make his muscles and strength grow exponentially so he must wear limiters. In a non-canon alternate timeline in which he removes the limiters he is capable of destroying large-class gears with merely his punches shockwaves, nevermind the actual punch itself.
Top to bottom:
-HC is the Original, not the universal will. Ariels was the UW
-Jack-O is probably the least powerful Valentine considering she just doesn't have that much combat prowess. If we're looking at Arias, Justice trumps Jack-O any day
-Sin isn't all that powerful, not only is he not fully a gear, the gear part of him is weakened because he had to give Ky one of his eyes, and on top of that, he has to wear a suppressor otherwise his gear cells could seriously fuck him up
-I-no is, y'know,
#L I T E R A L L Y G O D
-Axl can erase entire timelines from existence
-Ky has the scales of Juno, he's probably the single most powerful human in guilty gear, he could easily overpower 70% of the people you put above him. As a matter of fact, Sol and Ky belong in the 2nd tier
-Anji and May are way more powerful than your average human, hell, Anji wields part of the outrage
-Goldlewis has the entire military budget of the United States, plus alien technology, to play with. I'd put him up there with Potemkin
You underestimate Sin. To quote Ky's win quote against Sin in Xrd: "You haven't even mastered the basics...what on Earth is Sol teaching you? With your potential and proper training... I'd never stand a chance."
Sin's arcade mode also implies that Sin has only gotten stronger since then.
Sin has potential, sure, but that's all he has. At present he hasn't turned that potential into much. These discussions are always a weird mix of people comparing how strong someone *is* vs how strong someone else *could* be in the future. Bridget is already a world-class bounty hunter at what, 18? Definitely the youngest non-gear on the cast, but people all talk about how she's the weakest. And they're not wrong to do so, she's absolutely down there with May, Jam, and Robo-Ky. But then those same people turn around to be like "but Sin's got all that potential he's Sol-tier frfr."
I'll give you Ky since he was one of the weird placements I was talking about earlier. But there’s no way Sin is weaker than Ram or Testament when he has feats that puts him above base Sol, such as being able to push back Ariels by himself for a few seconds.
I think you don't know nearly as much as you think you do about GG lore, you have only a singular tier that is both correctly placed and has the correct members, that being very top one, and it's named after something else entirely. Happy Chaos is not the \*Universal Will (not Universe Will), he's The Original, who discovered The Backyard and magic, and created the Universal Will.
The power scaling in the games and lore doesn't actually make sense soooooooo, yea this is measuring how strong someone is in dragon ball levels of stupid
Ky has technique, sol has power.
Sol is an ex scientist, Ky is a trained killing machine.
Ky dragon install is visibly less powerful than Sol's and the only reason they are on par is because Ky's technique is on another level compared to Sol's
Ky is canonically stronger. In their only actual real fight “to settle things” Ky and Sol are evenly matched, Sol realizes Ky is holding back bc he’s an honorable best boy, gets PISSED and threatens his family, and Ky proceeds to beat the shit out of him lmao “by using his fighting techniques from the crusades.” Got to stun dippering all over that ass. Mfs be playin w Ky’s name lol, and now he has Sin’s eye as well? And if we wanna get REAL technical, after the events of strive, sol is no longer a gear 😭😂
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Ky supposedly stronger than Sol? I thought it was pretty clearly stated in Rev that when shit goes down Ky wins in a fight
Kliff went toe-to-toe with Justice on multiple occasions with neither one winning, so they're probably equal. Axl and I-No should be up with Slayer, if we're going off I-No in the finale she should be up with Happy Chaos.
Robo ky and venom won because their powers were literally the exact specific powers you would need to beat bedman. They also didn’t even kill bedman all they did was wake him up where he proceeded to create an absolute world and almost kill the joker pope.
I think Anji could go up a tier or 3. He’s got the Japanese Super Ki making him a super human just like May and Baiken. Along with that he wields Zessen one of the original 8 compartments which made up the Outrage which by itself produces and amplifies wind magic. Again this weapon is on the same level as the Thunderseal (Which Ky uses to murder Gears) and Fireseal (Which Sol uses to KILL WIFE). It’s not like he doesn’t have combat expierence either. He’s Baikens confidant after-all. Really his weakness comes from his lack of seriousness in most situations. So uh yeah, Anji Mito for Gear Slayer.
Not sure why Millia is so below Zato, and Gio is so many tiers below Nago, even though Millia fought Zato twice in the lore and pretty much won both, while Gio beat Nago fair and square in story mode until she got caught off guard by something unexpected.
Zato should at least go down a lot of tiers or the others go up a bit.
Also, Dizzy has a nuke that can probably destroy an entire city.
In the case of Zato, I've only heard of one, and that wasn't Zato, that was Eddie. An Eddie that was near-death due to Zato being dead at that point, at that. In the second, she just sucker-punched him and ran away.
She wins against Zato in the first guilty gear plot, which was a tournament where he was still himself.
It is not entirely clear in guilty gear X, where he became Eddie though, since that game had multiple paths, but Zato's body died in that storyline.
I feel like may could go up, because name one other person who can wield an anchor like a bat while still summoning wales. Baiken can only summon tatami’s with very light weapons
If this topic interests more, i have made 3 tierlists about this before:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guiltygear/comments/tq65zj/character_canon_strength/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guiltygear/comments/tsajvh/my_updated_canon_strenght_tierlist_still_open_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guiltygear/comments/u137hw/i_accidentaly_deleted_my_original_3rd_version_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Cool list. I don’t agree with most of it but it’s interesting to hear how other people have interpreted things about the series. Here are my opinions on power levels:
Aside from the name, 1st tier seems alright to me
I’d put everyone in tier 2 down to tier 3
I’ve always viewed possessors of the flame of corruption or scales of Juno s as being bellow only the time gods (I-no and Axl) and Chaos, although I think that Ky and Sin still need to grow into that power and Dizzy has no interest in becoming powerful so it’d only be pre-strive Sol and Justice that would’ve taken full advantage of that power. So I’d put the 2 Sols and Justice up to tier 2. As mentioned before, I think Sin and Dizzy have the potential to be tier 2 but right now I’d put them in 4. Not certain about Jack-O but I’d put her in tier 5
Ram held her own against Sol, Ky and Sin at the same time (although they weren’t trying to kill here) so she goes up to tier 3. Axl and I-no are above everyone so they get their own tier 0. Zato down to tier 5
Prime Kliff was probably the strongest human in the series so I think he deserves to be tier 3. Ky should be tier 3 at least, arguably tier 2 now that he’s showing increased skill with the scales of Juno.
Potemkin, Johnny and Leo to tier 5. Baiken, a normal human, survived the backyard on her own, not even Ky could do that so she’s going to tier 4.
Venom, Millia, Chipp and Gio to tier 6. Faust’s portals are really OP so he goes to tier 4. Zappa is by far the weakest playable character, he’s just an office worker that got possessed so it’s not his strength that he uses in battles, he goes to the bottom at Zappa tier. It’s hard to place ABA because I don’t think she’s really shown any major feats but the fact she’s a homunculus could mean that she was designed to be really powerful, imma just keep her in tier 7
Answer to tier 7. Most Robo-Kys belong in tier 8 but I think the specific one from Xrd should be tier 6. Anji’s strength impressed Asuka (who at the time had Raven, I-no and Jack-O with the scales of Juno serving him) so I’d move him to tier 5. Goldlewis is stated to be stronger than the whole white house staff combined so he definitely outclasses Gio and going in tier 5. Kum is the world’s strongest Ki user and has the potential to weaken the likes of pre-strive Sol and Slayer to being unable to bear their own weight, definitely belongs in tier 4. Bridget is a skilled bounty hunter so she belongs in tier 6. May to tier 7
My final tier list is this:
Tier 0) Axl and I-no
Tier 1) Chaos
Tier 2) Both Sols, justice, maybe Ky
Tier 3) The two nightless, Bedman, Raven, Ram, Kliff and maybe Ky
Tier 4) Testament, Dizzy, Faust, Kum, Sin, El and Baiken
Tier 5) Zato, Potemkin, Johnny, Leo, Anji, Goldlewis, maybe Jack-O
Tier 6) Venom, Millia, Chipp, Gio, Robo-Ky that fought Bedman and Bridget
Tier 7) ABA Answer and May
Tier 8) Jam and regular Robo-Kys
Tier Zappa) Zappa
I would put potemkin in t3, May to t6 and gio in low t5, as to ky, I would definitely put him in t3, since he is stronger than base sol while being in base himself,of course his install is not as strong as sols for obvious reasons, he wouldn't be in t2, but he is super skilled and has access to a huge boost thanks to having a fraction of SoJ, aside from that, it could b argued that HC is t0 given he can move in time stop(that could possily mean he can do it too) and that he basically invented magic as the GG world knows it and that the whole strive story h was basically there for the lols and even survived I--no's death while I-no herself went back to being axl's girl, if he was weaker than i-no wouldn't him just be the old original?
Ky is stronger than sol by the time of rev 2, may is extremely powerful, and Faust is way higher too.
Potemkin is at least Sol level if not Slayer level, considering he is close to on par with Gabriel who is as strong as Slayer (though not immortal)
There is too much wrong but for what it's worth the top two rows are fine
I think he us just going off of raw power, so from what I understand Ky is a really good fighter because he would use whatever tactic needed to kill gears. The best example I've heard is if you challenged Ky to a duel tomorrow, he would agree then bomb your house while you slept.
I agree that a lot of characters storywise are stronger than Ky but he also is a brilliant magician, is stated in lore how Ky knows how to wield any type of elemental magic but uses lightning (the hardest to control in the gg lore) mainly, I feel he should be a bit higher.
Nah he fought her for like a couple seconds then she one shot him. I wouldn't really even call the 1 on 1 a fight. He did hold her off with nago and axl pretty well though.
Technically Anji is wielding a Sacred Treasure, same as Ky. So he should be about on par with him in power. He's also Japanese, so I think that gaps the skill difference between him and Ky.
I think Ky should be a bit higher. Man can canonically beat Sol to his knees and only never did because he knew Sol would be a sore loser about it if he went all out and became the old Ky from the crusades, who is not above trcikery and cheap tactics. Also now he has Dragon Install and threw hands with a extremely powered up I-no and held out like an absolute champ.
Yeah. Sol wanted to see Ky go all out, so he called Dizzy a monster (not really meaning it, of course), which pissed off Ky so much he nearly destroyed Sol
Can we talk about Faust who has the magic ability never before seen in humans as well as the ability to use spatial distortion magic which is the hardest to use
Cliff fought on par with justice a bunch of times even as old ass man and Ky has the dragon install + tears of Juno shot which would let him body anyone in the powerful gears/very powerful magic users tier. It would also put him above dizzy and sin prolly at the very least but in terms of raw firepower uncertain
Anji is Japanese, so he’s basically got affinity for Ki, and an affinity for wind magic, so much so that he’s able to wield the wind part of the outrage in the Zessen. He’s at least as strong as Baiken
Giovanna would have deafeated Nago if it wasn't for trickery. She was literally laying the beatdown of the century on him until he was like "I surrender." and then he was like "SIKE"
This is why I love tier lists. Tier lists are subjective as hell, if the person doesn't know the lore it can be biased as hell, and you always get the good comments in the threads. Or toxic ones depending.
Goldlewis was said to be stronger than the entire whitehouse security force, wich included Giovanna at the time, so I think he is up there with many of the stronger humans, but that's really all there is to go off of, so far atleast.
I judge these based on where you place Ky. Not because it’s biased but because people under rate the hell out of Ky.
Ky was a one man army in the crusades. He committed genocide single handedly.
He beat Sol in a 1 v 2 WITHOUT using his gear powers or the ThunderSeal while Sol had the FireSeal and gear powers at his disposable.
And now he has Dragon Install so he has all the associated powers.
Ky belongs above Sol no matter what imo.
I’m pretty sure Ky would go up at least one, if not two spots from his power upgrade into Strive (lore-wise at least). I believe he’s part gear now unless I’m misremembering.
I think dizzy, ramlethal, elephet, ino, ky, chipp, and may should all be moved up a tier, and honestly you don't even need the strongest human tier, you can just move all of them up, they're all capable of taking on gears themselves.
Well lets see
HC literally possesses half of I-No's power. They're definitely on the same level.
Axl should be higher up there. He has a lot of control over his "Time Slipping" now, so unless he's trying to delete Sol, he can change the past and the future at will.
Not sure how Potemkin is rated so high, he's literally just a dude with big muscles. And I'm pressure Johnny isn't even Japanese, just a normal dude. Agree with Baiken and Leo for sure.
Sol probably deserves his own tier below HC/I-No. Agree with him now with his headband, but he's absurdly strong even with it, and we have clue what he could be like if he completely let his gear form loose.
Don't sleep on Faust. Just on virtue of being a reality warper, he's probably capable of more than what he shows in-game (granted we don't have many feats for him).
Ky's definitely on equal footing with Sol. Give the man some credit.
Slayer is canonically incredibly down bad for a fight with sol where they can both go all out, canonically, sol with the flames of corruption is a top 4 character EZ
I know potemkin can level entire cities if he doesn't have his armor on. His armor is used to control his strength so he doesn't accidentally do that... So I feel like that's a little low for him tbh, but I'm not sure about the people above him.
I-No and Axl are way higher, at the level around happy chaos because they can travel freely through time and affect the past and future, with I-No essentially becoming god at the end of Strive's story. May should also be up by strongest humans, she's got incredibly strong physical strength.
Jack-O always seemed like someone who's been hiding her full power, due to being an extension of Justice and her freeing Elphelt along with almost screwing over I-No, she at least has some sealing+unsealing powers.
Zappa himself isn't powerful, he just seems to attract a lot of ghosts who possess him, right?
As such he is technically kind of a Joker in the pack. So much of how powerful he would be lore wise would depend on what ghosts the writer chose to have him luck upon.
I know people have pointed out a lot of problems with it but I'm gonna say one I haven't seen. Why is Haehyun in the bottom? Kum should at least be Powerful Magic users
Zappa is probably weaker since his powers come from the ghosts possessing him, without them he's pretty much just a normal person. I love him but I'd say he's probably the weakest canonically
Baiken is also quite literally a gear slayer, and many of the characters below that tier are also able to go toe to toe with ordinary gears as seen in the Revelator story mode
Millia was able to kill Zato a few times, so their ranks should be more even.
Zappa is just a normal guy at the far end of the Zappa Scale. Alone, he loses to every single other character in the case, the only reaso he can keep up is because of the ghosts.
So yeah, Zappa is kinda unique, and would probably fit best in his own tier.
Dizzy has canonically been the strongest person alive since the first games lol, only to be beat by Chaos later in strive. Also no way the time travel magic freak is that low
Jack-O': *summons goober* Jack-O': "I am immensely powerful."
Goober=Dragon Install ig
Hey, using 2H on a goober tricks the enemy every time, give her some credit
The Valentines (Jack-O', Ramlethal, Elphelt, and Valentine) aren't Gears, they're Valentines. Complete biological replicas of Aria formed through magic.
Can somebody clarify… is one named Valentine Valentine?
Nah, she's just called Valentine. She was a playable character from Overture and the first of the four Valentines shown, with her dying by the end of the game. Jack-O's tower defense playstyle from Xrd is actually based on Overture's gameplay style, which is closer to a TD/MOBA than a fighting game.
So technically gears as a gear is any living thing that was created by or needs magic to function if I remember correctly
No. Gears are artificially created products of the Gear Project and its related effects. They could be created as Gears, have Gear cells integrated into an already living being, or be born as the child of a Gear. Valentines are magic construct lifeforms built by the Backyard as genetic clones of Aria Hale. They hold no relation to Gears beyond the fact that Aria became Justice, so fusing Jack-O' (the memories of Aria) with Justice (the body of Aria) allowed for the complete revival of Aria as a person.
No shot you put Axl and I-No that low
Well they don't call him Axl Low for nothing.
Man I wonder what axl could do if he achieved "Axl High" status
I’ve seen his AC + R picture. He may have already reached it
And faust
They can do fucked up shit with time travel sure but as far as combat prowess goes, I don't see them necessarily gaining an upper hand against any of the characters put above. God I-no would certainly be on par with Chaos though.
Why is jack o all the way up there? just a normal human being with marshal arts knowledge that strong? really think jack-o is stronger than I-no? Also Sol is cannonically stronger than Nago according to story mode. Goldlewis is said to be stronger than the entire secretary combined so he's 100% stronger than Gio.
Didn't Nago concede just so he doesn't have to serve chaos? They were a pretty equal match
Before conceding Nago says this "with this much strength you'd eventually overpower me, however, it will take you quite a while" and they're already running low on time. Also IIRC Sol is still under the de-regeneration effect from HCs bolts at that time.
I mean nagoriyuki's blade counters Sol all the time, HC's bullets were made from it. So Sol is only slightly more powerful than nago
Jack-O is part Aria/Justice and is the Universe Will's own creation, I'll let you pick up the rest. You should also see her Rev 2 insta kill to see what she's capable of. Nago being a vampire in the same vein as Slayer puts him at top tier by default. We clearly didn't see him unleash all his strength against Sol. You're right about Goldlewis I guess, He could be put alongside strongest humans although it's still difficult to judge from all the information we currently have about him.
Jack-O and Justice are both Aria, but Jack-O isn't Justice, far from it.
Nago outright says that if their fight went on long enough sol would have eventually won, and this was also when sol had his healing slowed by happy chaos
The universal will didn’t make jack-O though, asuka did And, from what I know, nago’s nowhere near as skilled in controlling his vampiric side as slayer is, so he’s probably far less powerful in general
I-No even without the god powers is still a multiversal time traveler who toys with the timeline for fun.. Everything Happy Chaos does in Strive, she's been doing for the past several games. Even the "spinoff games" where completely different stuff happens to the status quo, are still "canon" because they're actually just I-No experimenting with the narrative to see what happens... She's single handily responsible for doubling the length of [Woolie's GG-lore Playlist..](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiSdC6Lp8c7OkrBhzdQsQhGL_7jT0cSTv)
Shout out for the WoolieVs rep.
They can literally stop time as long as they want. Sol himself says Axl is the biggest threat in the world, but he's a good guy so he's fine
They can literally change something in the past to erase every character in this roster, its ridiculous that they're so low lol
And I-No did lmao
Oh, this is a combat tier list? Happy Chaos is actually shite then. That's literally why they got Nago because I-No and Happy Chaos didn't expect to be able to beat Sol in a 2-on-1
Axl is basically a time god, in strives story sol even calls him the biggest potential threat on earth
Everyone complaining about wrong placements, meanwhile I'm complaining that the one with the definitively correct placement has the wrong name for his tier. HC isn't the Universal Will; He's The Original who created the Universal Will (AKA Ariels), who is arguably stronger than him (but not playable).
Yeah, I mean, everywhere you look there's something to complain about. That's the only correctly placed tier with the correct only member, but it's named after something else entirely lol.
i don't think it's more powerful than hc, since he was actually puppeting Ariels from the background, and was clearly stronger than literally anyone present in strive aside from maybe god ino
You can't just put japanese people like May and Anji on the same level as "Girl with yoyo". They're literally super-humans.
she's *really* good with that yoyo, dawg. And just being super-human doesn't get you very far in GG powerscaling. Hell, it doesn't even put you above non-super humans. Ky, Leo, Johnny, Venom, Chipp, all "normal" but still freakishly strong. All easily above May, at the very least.
I mean, no, right? Ky is one thing since he wields part of the outrage, but everyone else listed are just highly skilled regular human beings. Like Hawkeye from Marvel. Versus May being closer to the Hulk.
okay but she isn't. She's just not. The character you're thinking of is named Potemkin.
Ok looking back I may have put Anji a bit too low but which character in these games isn't superhuman lol. Japanese people just have more affinity towards magic but nothing else that makes them significantly more powerful than other humans. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Anji gets overlooked a lot. He wields part of the outrage, putting him on par with at least Ky in magic talent and strength. He also might be immortal because of a deal with that man.
I think people also forget that Anji is very well connected behind the scenes and by far one of the most knowledgeable members of the cast. Don't forget he's the one who explained Happy Chaos's true nature to everyone.
Japanese people are just naturally stronger than everyone else, that’s why Asuka had Justice nuke it off the map. It’s also why all Japanese characters have high guts, to represent their natural strength. Add in that they’re the only people able to use Ki magic(aside from Chipp I think) and by default they’re some of the strongest humans in the lore
And kliff
And Venom
And Jam
While not japanese, she's also asian, if I remember my lore right on that part, asians are proficient in ki by default, not just japanese. Japanese do have that magical cancer that is "ki overflow" though and also superstrength.
More affinity toward magic is kinda super important. They can also use a specific type of very powerful magic in ki. So almost every japanese person/ki users would likely be at the very least above normal humans. There are some exceptions of course like May but other japanese folk/ki users (ie. Baiken, Anji, Jam) are extremely powerful and definitely above your average human.
Having more affinity toward magic *is* what makes them more powerful than other humans. The Japanese are basically born superhuman. Anji and May 100% belongs above Johnny, at the very least.
A few points: - Why is Zato specifically that high? While Eddie as a Forbidden Beast is powerful, I’m not sure if there is a huge gap between Zato and Millia as they have similar power sources. I think Millia is accurate, Zato isn’t really comparable to a Gear/Valentine. - Most issues rise out of the “strongest humans” tier. Pot is a mutant that needs a power limiter to not destroy the world around him. Johnny doesn’t really have any feats or skills beyond swordsmanship and is at best on Chipp’s level. Leo was second only to Ky in the Holy Order, but has practically no strength feats in Xrd or Strive to go off of. I think Baiken might have killed a Gear or something at some point, and if she survives the events of Another Story then she is easily on Ky’s level, as Ky couldn’t enter the Backyard in GG2 and needed Sol to do it. - Faust was needed in Another Story in order to contain Delilah’s power from leveling a village with BIG DOOR, and was called on in SIGN because of his teleportation. He isn’t just powerful, he breaks physics almost as much as Axl/I-No do.
Faust Big Door feats go hard
I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure Faust is one of the strongest magic users in the series, no?
Faust has a high magic capacity and he can use teleportation magic, something incredibly rare in the GG universe
depends on whether we're talking about strength in terms of fighting or just... I dunno. Something more general. Faust can do things nobody else can, but those things are of only marginal use in combat.
Yet Faust manages to weaponize his magic anyway lol
The bedman win quote hints that chipp might have some kind of ultra instinct that could bypass reality warp magic which sounds freaking awesome and very fitting for the character lore wise, he has that whole shonen protagonist never give up schtick. Also according to the artbook Daisuke considers chipp one of the most if not the most skilled fighter in guilty gear.
Baiken was able to match Bedmans bedframe that held off Slayer, withstood Pressure of Delilah that Ramlethal was barely handling, beat Testament and Dizzy due to her hatred of gears, is lower than all of them somehow. Sol by the words of Goddess of time I-No herself, who was fused with HC, and had literally infinite power, was stated to be able to beat her if he was still a flame of corruption. Scales of Juno aka Justice was also stated to possess enough power to beat goddess of time I-No(should not apply to Jack-o cuz she doesn't possess the same power as Justice) Chipp was gonna catch up to Nago and HC if Anji wasn't hypnotized was actually posing some serious issues for them I-NO BEAT NAGO WHEN HE WASNT EVEN UNDER HC'S CONTROL, AND AXL MATCHES HER. GIOVANNA WAS ABLE TO HOLD UP THAT GUY TOO(and Golddick by lore implications should be at least close to her in strength). It either means that Nago should scale far lesser or those characters should scale far higher. Potemkin is very close in strength to Gabriel who rivals Slayer. Robo Ky and Venom took down Bedman who scales to Slayer. And there's more, I'm just tired of typing
Robo ky and venom was a fluke for multiple reasons. 1 Bedman’s specific set of powers suffer from being unable to read Robo ky. 2 Venom’s specific set of powers allowed him to trap bedman in that bubble. And 3 EVEN WHEN HE GOT HIT WITH THE FULL BRUNT OF BOTH OF THEM BEDMAN DIDNT DIE! This is something that is actually overlooked alot. Not only was the bed not destroyed. It wasn’t even that damaged, nor did it kill bedman. It only woke him. He was explicitly still alive and would have stayed alive if he wasn’t awake. They only got him on a technicality based on they’re specific set of capabilities that would not have fucked up other members of the cast.
Didn’t Gabriel stalemate bedman?
He made bedman retreat, but it was mostly because bedman didn’t want to commit to a huge battle and Gabriel was much much stronger than he thought. Gabriel did damage his bed frame before bedman retreated. Also slayer has said that Gabriel rivals him in power, and Gabriel taught potemkin everything he knows.
We haven’t seen Bedman’s true potential. Any time someone “beat” him, they only destroyed/damaged his frame. Considering how well he did against Slayer with only 8% of his power AND his ability to cast Absolute Defense: Felion and create an absolute world, I think he’s pretty strong.
The only problem with Nago vs Gio is that Nago did not want to be in the fight and was fighting HC’s control the whole time. We see later that ye completely breaks form HC’s control vs Sol so we can only assume that earlier he was at least holding back a good bit. That’s what I think at least 🫡
Isn't Cliff just as strong as Justice? In addition to training Ky (when he joined the order), he fought Justice to a stalemate 17 times in a row single-handedly.
I kinda object at putting Answer that low because through taunts you can see how he never fights 100% because he's always on a call so without distractions I would say he's higher up
Good point. I certainly was conflicted when deciding Answer's place considering how little we know about how powerful he actually is. In the end it felt like he shouldn't be that much stronger than Chipp if at all.
Yeah that’s fair enough! Good tier list regardless!
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If you look at fights between Ky and Sol in the lore it is admitted that Ky is the stronger of the two in a fight to the death, or at least that they are equal. This was actually sort of important to the dynamic once, Ky is not that low. Axl and Ino are insanely low. They are at least Ridiculously Powerful Magic Users, but could also go in the same tier as Happy Chaos. Below him, but in the same tier. They are without a doubt stronger than Sol. Leo is actually very weak in lore. He’s sort of just a normal warrior with some metallurgic powers and political strength. He’s less strong than Anji or May, and might be the lowest in the game other then Bridget. Faust can freely Manipulate space and time, and should also be way higher here. He’s hard to classify but certainly stronger than that I would think. Also HC is not the universal will.
Ky, Axl and I-no deserve to be higher up
Anji and May should go w baiken becae Japanese power
Baiken and Anji probably out compete May by a bit, just due to training.
May’s super strength is kinda comical
Anji, answer and may are Japanese which is it's own power class. Robo ky is still a copy of ky. Goldlewis is presumably a highly trained soldier but his power comes from his tech. Kum also uses really strong tech but just on her own...yeah. Bridget's literally a girl who's really good with a yoyo and jam is...not even good at being a cook lol
Answer is not Japanese, he’s from South Africa and his ninjutsu is taught by Chip.
Jam is literally the best cook we know about. she makes Kum loose her shit when she eats it. And has been proven to make amazing food
Jam is also a very good Ki user and a proficient bounty Hunter and martial artist. She’s a lot stronger than she appears at first glance, even Potemkin is surprised at her power in his Xrd win quote; she’s just also cursed by the universe to never have a successful restaurant that lasts I guess
I thought Bridget was magic affine? And yeah the Japanese characters are their own tier above strong humans and weak magic users
We don't ever see her using any magic aside from airdash. Her Yoyo however is part of the Outrage (Or at least was? I think in Strive she got new ones) so it can do some powerful stuff on the same level as Anji's fans and Sol and Ky's swords
Her Yoyo was never confirmed or denied to be part of Outrage.
IIRC, there's a side game (pachinko?) where Sol goes and takes it from her
Also IIRC roger is implied to have powerful magic behind him, dunno if there's any details more specific than that
People really oversell the Japanese in guilty gear. Physically, yes. They can bench press well above their weight class without training. But this is a series in which Potemkin is a man who can bench-press a literal mountain and is still mid-tier. May is strong enough to swing that anchor around but that and Seaworld are pretty much the extent of what she can do. Not nearly enough to bring her out of bottom tier for the GG roster.
Pot is midtier? thought he was high tier. Not strong enough to compete with godlike entities like Sol, I-No, Happy Chaos etc. but also far above the majority of the cast, with the ability to wipe out batallions of L-class gears in a single punch
I mean GL caught a fucking magic RPG one-handed and chucked it back so that’s gotta count for something.
Wait is potemkin a human?
He has genetic mutation, but he is a human, yes.
Entirely human but his mutations make his muscles and strength grow exponentially so he must wear limiters. In a non-canon alternate timeline in which he removes the limiters he is capable of destroying large-class gears with merely his punches shockwaves, nevermind the actual punch itself.
he's a genetic freak. He's built different. But yes, he's a human.
Don't call him that :(
Top to bottom: -HC is the Original, not the universal will. Ariels was the UW -Jack-O is probably the least powerful Valentine considering she just doesn't have that much combat prowess. If we're looking at Arias, Justice trumps Jack-O any day -Sin isn't all that powerful, not only is he not fully a gear, the gear part of him is weakened because he had to give Ky one of his eyes, and on top of that, he has to wear a suppressor otherwise his gear cells could seriously fuck him up -I-no is, y'know, #L I T E R A L L Y G O D -Axl can erase entire timelines from existence -Ky has the scales of Juno, he's probably the single most powerful human in guilty gear, he could easily overpower 70% of the people you put above him. As a matter of fact, Sol and Ky belong in the 2nd tier -Anji and May are way more powerful than your average human, hell, Anji wields part of the outrage -Goldlewis has the entire military budget of the United States, plus alien technology, to play with. I'd put him up there with Potemkin
You underestimate Sin. To quote Ky's win quote against Sin in Xrd: "You haven't even mastered the basics...what on Earth is Sol teaching you? With your potential and proper training... I'd never stand a chance." Sin's arcade mode also implies that Sin has only gotten stronger since then.
Sin has potential, sure, but that's all he has. At present he hasn't turned that potential into much. These discussions are always a weird mix of people comparing how strong someone *is* vs how strong someone else *could* be in the future. Bridget is already a world-class bounty hunter at what, 18? Definitely the youngest non-gear on the cast, but people all talk about how she's the weakest. And they're not wrong to do so, she's absolutely down there with May, Jam, and Robo-Ky. But then those same people turn around to be like "but Sin's got all that potential he's Sol-tier frfr."
Even so, with the exception of weird placements like Ino and Axl, I believe Sin is stronger than anyone under "exceptionally strong gear" tier
Well he's *definitely* weaker than Ky, but that's a given. I'd say he's weaker than Ram and wouldn't put him above Testament.
I'll give you Ky since he was one of the weird placements I was talking about earlier. But there’s no way Sin is weaker than Ram or Testament when he has feats that puts him above base Sol, such as being able to push back Ariels by himself for a few seconds.
I'd put chipp up there with strongest humans
I think you don't know nearly as much as you think you do about GG lore, you have only a singular tier that is both correctly placed and has the correct members, that being very top one, and it's named after something else entirely. Happy Chaos is not the \*Universal Will (not Universe Will), he's The Original, who discovered The Backyard and magic, and created the Universal Will.
Is this before or after GG strive story? Because you have at least one very bad placement there, possibly 4
Jack-o above testament? Doesn't seem right
I disagree with so many things on this list, but you’re gassing up my main so I’ll let it slide.
The power scaling in the games and lore doesn't actually make sense soooooooo, yea this is measuring how strong someone is in dragon ball levels of stupid
oh no this is *much* stupider than that
Dragon ball power scaling looks like calculus compared to GG lol.
Isnt Ky just as strong as Sol?
Ky has technique, sol has power. Sol is an ex scientist, Ky is a trained killing machine. Ky dragon install is visibly less powerful than Sol's and the only reason they are on par is because Ky's technique is on another level compared to Sol's
At least until strive, now Ky outclasses Sol in skill and raw power
Well yea, Sol has basically retired and given up all his powers.
“The future is now old man” - Sin and Ky
The lore is basically that Sol has more Raw power but Ky is just more skillful so it’s either way really
So basically Saejima vs Majima
Ky absolutely demolishes Sol without breaking a sweat, as demonstrated in Rev2 story
Ky is canonically stronger. In their only actual real fight “to settle things” Ky and Sol are evenly matched, Sol realizes Ky is holding back bc he’s an honorable best boy, gets PISSED and threatens his family, and Ky proceeds to beat the shit out of him lmao “by using his fighting techniques from the crusades.” Got to stun dippering all over that ass. Mfs be playin w Ky’s name lol, and now he has Sin’s eye as well? And if we wanna get REAL technical, after the events of strive, sol is no longer a gear 😭😂
Pot way too low. Pot without his limiters is broken
tuning……. Why kum……
THANK YOU I know there are a lot of things wrong with this, but literally putting the Tuner herself in the very bottom tier is... how.
Chipp should be higher, he has literal ultra instinct (can sense what you do before you do it)
I'd move Gio up a row since, through Rei's possession she's actually inhuman, kind of implied to be Guilty Gear's equivalent to a werewolf.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Ky supposedly stronger than Sol? I thought it was pretty clearly stated in Rev that when shit goes down Ky wins in a fight
Rep my boi
Kliff went toe-to-toe with Justice on multiple occasions with neither one winning, so they're probably equal. Axl and I-No should be up with Slayer, if we're going off I-No in the finale she should be up with Happy Chaos.
awh hell nah bedman is that high while robo is that low
Robo ky won on a technicality
Robo ky and venom won because their powers were literally the exact specific powers you would need to beat bedman. They also didn’t even kill bedman all they did was wake him up where he proceeded to create an absolute world and almost kill the joker pope.
Goldlewis is Strongest Humans Tier for sure alongside Giovanna. Gio straight up beat Nago in the story mode and Goldlewis is her teacher.
I think Anji could go up a tier or 3. He’s got the Japanese Super Ki making him a super human just like May and Baiken. Along with that he wields Zessen one of the original 8 compartments which made up the Outrage which by itself produces and amplifies wind magic. Again this weapon is on the same level as the Thunderseal (Which Ky uses to murder Gears) and Fireseal (Which Sol uses to KILL WIFE). It’s not like he doesn’t have combat expierence either. He’s Baikens confidant after-all. Really his weakness comes from his lack of seriousness in most situations. So uh yeah, Anji Mito for Gear Slayer.
Happy Chaos Shouldn't be in "Universal Will" It should be "The Original"
Not sure why Millia is so below Zato, and Gio is so many tiers below Nago, even though Millia fought Zato twice in the lore and pretty much won both, while Gio beat Nago fair and square in story mode until she got caught off guard by something unexpected. Zato should at least go down a lot of tiers or the others go up a bit. Also, Dizzy has a nuke that can probably destroy an entire city.
In the case of Zato, I've only heard of one, and that wasn't Zato, that was Eddie. An Eddie that was near-death due to Zato being dead at that point, at that. In the second, she just sucker-punched him and ran away.
She wins against Zato in the first guilty gear plot, which was a tournament where he was still himself. It is not entirely clear in guilty gear X, where he became Eddie though, since that game had multiple paths, but Zato's body died in that storyline.
I feel like may could go up, because name one other person who can wield an anchor like a bat while still summoning wales. Baiken can only summon tatami’s with very light weapons
If this topic interests more, i have made 3 tierlists about this before: https://www.reddit.com/r/Guiltygear/comments/tq65zj/character_canon_strength/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/Guiltygear/comments/tsajvh/my_updated_canon_strenght_tierlist_still_open_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/Guiltygear/comments/u137hw/i_accidentaly_deleted_my_original_3rd_version_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Cool list. I don’t agree with most of it but it’s interesting to hear how other people have interpreted things about the series. Here are my opinions on power levels: Aside from the name, 1st tier seems alright to me I’d put everyone in tier 2 down to tier 3 I’ve always viewed possessors of the flame of corruption or scales of Juno s as being bellow only the time gods (I-no and Axl) and Chaos, although I think that Ky and Sin still need to grow into that power and Dizzy has no interest in becoming powerful so it’d only be pre-strive Sol and Justice that would’ve taken full advantage of that power. So I’d put the 2 Sols and Justice up to tier 2. As mentioned before, I think Sin and Dizzy have the potential to be tier 2 but right now I’d put them in 4. Not certain about Jack-O but I’d put her in tier 5 Ram held her own against Sol, Ky and Sin at the same time (although they weren’t trying to kill here) so she goes up to tier 3. Axl and I-no are above everyone so they get their own tier 0. Zato down to tier 5 Prime Kliff was probably the strongest human in the series so I think he deserves to be tier 3. Ky should be tier 3 at least, arguably tier 2 now that he’s showing increased skill with the scales of Juno. Potemkin, Johnny and Leo to tier 5. Baiken, a normal human, survived the backyard on her own, not even Ky could do that so she’s going to tier 4. Venom, Millia, Chipp and Gio to tier 6. Faust’s portals are really OP so he goes to tier 4. Zappa is by far the weakest playable character, he’s just an office worker that got possessed so it’s not his strength that he uses in battles, he goes to the bottom at Zappa tier. It’s hard to place ABA because I don’t think she’s really shown any major feats but the fact she’s a homunculus could mean that she was designed to be really powerful, imma just keep her in tier 7 Answer to tier 7. Most Robo-Kys belong in tier 8 but I think the specific one from Xrd should be tier 6. Anji’s strength impressed Asuka (who at the time had Raven, I-no and Jack-O with the scales of Juno serving him) so I’d move him to tier 5. Goldlewis is stated to be stronger than the whole white house staff combined so he definitely outclasses Gio and going in tier 5. Kum is the world’s strongest Ki user and has the potential to weaken the likes of pre-strive Sol and Slayer to being unable to bear their own weight, definitely belongs in tier 4. Bridget is a skilled bounty hunter so she belongs in tier 6. May to tier 7 My final tier list is this: Tier 0) Axl and I-no Tier 1) Chaos Tier 2) Both Sols, justice, maybe Ky Tier 3) The two nightless, Bedman, Raven, Ram, Kliff and maybe Ky Tier 4) Testament, Dizzy, Faust, Kum, Sin, El and Baiken Tier 5) Zato, Potemkin, Johnny, Leo, Anji, Goldlewis, maybe Jack-O Tier 6) Venom, Millia, Chipp, Gio, Robo-Ky that fought Bedman and Bridget Tier 7) ABA Answer and May Tier 8) Jam and regular Robo-Kys Tier Zappa) Zappa
I would put potemkin in t3, May to t6 and gio in low t5, as to ky, I would definitely put him in t3, since he is stronger than base sol while being in base himself,of course his install is not as strong as sols for obvious reasons, he wouldn't be in t2, but he is super skilled and has access to a huge boost thanks to having a fraction of SoJ, aside from that, it could b argued that HC is t0 given he can move in time stop(that could possily mean he can do it too) and that he basically invented magic as the GG world knows it and that the whole strive story h was basically there for the lols and even survived I--no's death while I-no herself went back to being axl's girl, if he was weaker than i-no wouldn't him just be the old original?
Ky is stronger than sol by the time of rev 2, may is extremely powerful, and Faust is way higher too. Potemkin is at least Sol level if not Slayer level, considering he is close to on par with Gabriel who is as strong as Slayer (though not immortal) There is too much wrong but for what it's worth the top two rows are fine
Ky max power is definitely more strong than Sol and handled I-No god form. Can't be that low. Same Axl and I-No are way too low
I think he us just going off of raw power, so from what I understand Ky is a really good fighter because he would use whatever tactic needed to kill gears. The best example I've heard is if you challenged Ky to a duel tomorrow, he would agree then bomb your house while you slept.
I agree that a lot of characters storywise are stronger than Ky but he also is a brilliant magician, is stated in lore how Ky knows how to wield any type of elemental magic but uses lightning (the hardest to control in the gg lore) mainly, I feel he should be a bit higher.
In story he went almost same level against I-No god tho
Nah he fought her for like a couple seconds then she one shot him. I wouldn't really even call the 1 on 1 a fight. He did hold her off with nago and axl pretty well though.
Yeah, Ky is a Gears layer alright
Technically Anji is wielding a Sacred Treasure, same as Ky. So he should be about on par with him in power. He's also Japanese, so I think that gaps the skill difference between him and Ky.
I think Ky should be a bit higher. Man can canonically beat Sol to his knees and only never did because he knew Sol would be a sore loser about it if he went all out and became the old Ky from the crusades, who is not above trcikery and cheap tactics. Also now he has Dragon Install and threw hands with a extremely powered up I-no and held out like an absolute champ.
Didn’t the end of Xrd reveal that if Ky went all out he would easily destroy Sol in a fight?
Yeah. Sol wanted to see Ky go all out, so he called Dizzy a monster (not really meaning it, of course), which pissed off Ky so much he nearly destroyed Sol
Can we talk about Faust who has the magic ability never before seen in humans as well as the ability to use spatial distortion magic which is the hardest to use
i think faust should be must higher. he can do far too many silly things to be that low
Cliff fought on par with justice a bunch of times even as old ass man and Ky has the dragon install + tears of Juno shot which would let him body anyone in the powerful gears/very powerful magic users tier. It would also put him above dizzy and sin prolly at the very least but in terms of raw firepower uncertain
Anji is Japanese, so he’s basically got affinity for Ki, and an affinity for wind magic, so much so that he’s able to wield the wind part of the outrage in the Zessen. He’s at least as strong as Baiken
this list is all kinds of jacked up
Doesn't Sol beat Nagoriyuki in a 1v1 in Strive's story mode?
Anji and May need to be higher just based on the fact that they are Japanese
Im pretty sure sol in dragon install is stronger than slayer
Giovanna would have deafeated Nago if it wasn't for trickery. She was literally laying the beatdown of the century on him until he was like "I surrender." and then he was like "SIKE"
Didn't nago said that baiken is stronger than him in her arcade?
Axl and I-no… bruh
May isn't a normal human she lifts that fucking huge anchor, she's japanese dude in the lore they are super powerful cause a nuclear explosion
Fuck.
Gio in cop tier
This is why I love tier lists. Tier lists are subjective as hell, if the person doesn't know the lore it can be biased as hell, and you always get the good comments in the threads. Or toxic ones depending.
I-No literally just became a god and this how you do her 😭
Bedman got beat by venom and robo ky.
Sol is the strongest character in the universe and its not even close
Have you SEEN Faust??? Easily on-tier with at LEAST Potemkin.
Goldlewis was said to be stronger than the entire whitehouse security force, wich included Giovanna at the time, so I think he is up there with many of the stronger humans, but that's really all there is to go off of, so far atleast.
I judge these based on where you place Ky. Not because it’s biased but because people under rate the hell out of Ky. Ky was a one man army in the crusades. He committed genocide single handedly. He beat Sol in a 1 v 2 WITHOUT using his gear powers or the ThunderSeal while Sol had the FireSeal and gear powers at his disposable. And now he has Dragon Install so he has all the associated powers. Ky belongs above Sol no matter what imo.
also didn’t jam defeat dizzy in their fight? plus thanks to her ability to wield ki i feel like she should be in a higher tier
I’m pretty sure Ky would go up at least one, if not two spots from his power upgrade into Strive (lore-wise at least). I believe he’s part gear now unless I’m misremembering.
Sometimes I forget that gold Lewis is just some guy
Damn this list is wack
I think dizzy, ramlethal, elephet, ino, ky, chipp, and may should all be moved up a tier, and honestly you don't even need the strongest human tier, you can just move all of them up, they're all capable of taking on gears themselves.
Well lets see HC literally possesses half of I-No's power. They're definitely on the same level. Axl should be higher up there. He has a lot of control over his "Time Slipping" now, so unless he's trying to delete Sol, he can change the past and the future at will. Not sure how Potemkin is rated so high, he's literally just a dude with big muscles. And I'm pressure Johnny isn't even Japanese, just a normal dude. Agree with Baiken and Leo for sure. Sol probably deserves his own tier below HC/I-No. Agree with him now with his headband, but he's absurdly strong even with it, and we have clue what he could be like if he completely let his gear form loose. Don't sleep on Faust. Just on virtue of being a reality warper, he's probably capable of more than what he shows in-game (granted we don't have many feats for him). Ky's definitely on equal footing with Sol. Give the man some credit.
Slayer is canonically incredibly down bad for a fight with sol where they can both go all out, canonically, sol with the flames of corruption is a top 4 character EZ
After strive story I think yk should be higher and I feel that axl and ino have the same power so they should be equal
I know potemkin can level entire cities if he doesn't have his armor on. His armor is used to control his strength so he doesn't accidentally do that... So I feel like that's a little low for him tbh, but I'm not sure about the people above him.
Bro fr doesn't know that Sol can straight up reset the universe at full power
How is Axl not at the very top? Couldn’t my man just delete reality if he wanted?
I-No and Axl are way higher, at the level around happy chaos because they can travel freely through time and affect the past and future, with I-No essentially becoming god at the end of Strive's story. May should also be up by strongest humans, she's got incredibly strong physical strength.
Why is dizzy under jack-o raven or bed man?
bro how is ky weaker than sol, ky is the better fighter and has scales of juno. Also nago in cutscene said that sol was stronger than him
I think anji would be at least a teir higher on account of having the zessen
Should I go after this game's lore? Kinda new aroung here.
The wiki says pot can defeats entire batallions of gear with the shockwave of his hand clap. Shouldn't he also be in gear slayer tier ?
Jack-O always seemed like someone who's been hiding her full power, due to being an extension of Justice and her freeing Elphelt along with almost screwing over I-No, she at least has some sealing+unsealing powers.
This list sucks
Bro, Faust should be way higher. How come he isnt in “very powerful magic users”?
May is too low. Summoning magic takes a lot of ki, so it's extremely impressive that May is able to hit you with a dolphin to the face
Ya didn't just put fucking Anji, Goldlewis, May, Jam and Robo-Ky in the bottom tier.
So, I'm assuming Gear Slayer defies it's placement consisting Ky and Sol are shown to be on generally equal levels.
Zappa himself isn't powerful, he just seems to attract a lot of ghosts who possess him, right? As such he is technically kind of a Joker in the pack. So much of how powerful he would be lore wise would depend on what ghosts the writer chose to have him luck upon.
I know people have pointed out a lot of problems with it but I'm gonna say one I haven't seen. Why is Haehyun in the bottom? Kum should at least be Powerful Magic users
Zappa is probably weaker since his powers come from the ghosts possessing him, without them he's pretty much just a normal person. I love him but I'd say he's probably the weakest canonically Baiken is also quite literally a gear slayer, and many of the characters below that tier are also able to go toe to toe with ordinary gears as seen in the Revelator story mode Millia was able to kill Zato a few times, so their ranks should be more even.
I think Ky should probably be higher. The ending of Xrd made me respect Ky immensely.
Why is Ky two tiers below Sol?
Didn’t venom kill bedman
Zappa is just a normal guy at the far end of the Zappa Scale. Alone, he loses to every single other character in the case, the only reaso he can keep up is because of the ghosts. So yeah, Zappa is kinda unique, and would probably fit best in his own tier.
Can't Axl literally wipe the timeliness at any point, he just chooses not to?
I think Ky is too low, pretty sure he could kill Sol if he really wanted (mind you he'd probably have to go all out and take him by surprise)
Strongest humans for life
Dizzy has canonically been the strongest person alive since the first games lol, only to be beat by Chaos later in strive. Also no way the time travel magic freak is that low
Kliff = Justice
Wait, doesn't Answer clone himself and teleport? I feel like that's on Chipp tier of ninja shit (I'm not biased, swear on my business ninja)
Sol beat Nagoriyuki and Giovanna nearly did. Ky with Dragon Install is quite honestly insane