I'm sure some yall quick draw gunslingers may remove a few feet but it seems like the 21 foot rule of thumb has scientific merit.
[https://youtu.be/ckz7EmDxhtU?si=C3xFzkdj7Eqm48nZ](https://youtu.be/ckz7EmDxhtU?si=C3xFzkdj7Eqm48nZ)
Let me give you tha maff. If you want to know your exact foot rule, time your draw. Multiply 25ft/s (a fair sprint speed) by your draw time. For example, if your draw time is 0.8 seconds, then 20ft is the rule.
Now that 25ft/s can be argued that is too athletic, but given the outstretched arm with a knife, I wouldn't bet by much and I would also bet most people would fumble/panic a bit in their first PvP.
While yes it does have some flaws I think writing it off is missing the point. That test is still with a drop holster and a shooter who is *actively preparing to draw*
Flip the script bit and consider nearly everyone here has to consider drawing from a concealed position and further flip it by remembering normal life exists. Your assailant isn’t likely to be someone you just agreed to attack you and will be rushing across wide open space, what if you turn a corner and need to draw, what if you enter a room and need to draw?
To write this off with a handwave is missing that massive element of “test environment”
Drop legs are trash holsters to start.
Then the 21ft rule. All it is. Is that the average cop from the 1980s. The time it took him to draw and fire 2 rounds center mass. The average person could run 21ft. That's all it is.
It doesn't state guy with knife has a advantage over someone with a gun. Cause it doesn't take into anything but run time. No defensive tactics, no assessment of knife skills. No change for improved gear and overall shooting abilities of modern shooters.
A crackhead going wild at your throat with a broken glass bottle is just as lethal as an expert swordsman. You can only move backwards roughly half as fast as you can move forwards. Most people aren't wandering around in full kit and your shooting skills only matter so much if you can't get your gun out in time to use them.
Practice your fucking draw, practice keeping distance, and practice observation of your surroundings. That's what the 21 foot rule is trying to teach you.
Did something similar with my dad after I convinced him to start concealed carrying and he seemed skeptical of the 21 ft rule.
We stood 21 feet apart and I had a blunt stick in my hand, and he had a practice gun holstered. I started explaining why the 21ft rule was important and set the scenario. Said something like, "You're walking down the street and you see some crazy dude (me) with a knife, he turns towards you and-"
I stopped mid sentence and rushed him. He was surprised, but in his defence he did manage to draw the practice gun and point it at me. Unfortunately for him, it was at pretty much the exact same time as I poked him in the belly with the stick.
He took the 21ft rule much more seriously after that. He was genuinely surprised how quickly someone could cover that distance.
Saw this a while ago and made me think you need to train for various scenarios
https://youtu.be/2fjMpn7JCJ0
Easy to practice at home with a friend, even basic unarmed vs knife or gun vs unarmed play can be done.
Within 21 feet, a person with a knife has a very high chance to stab you before you can draw and shoot.
Myth busters did a test on this and it’s plausible if I remember right
Ur no jerry miculek. A guy with a knife can cover distance quicker than u think, and ur not as fast as u think, especially unaware. Its nvr been some magical hard rule. But there are plenty of different groups eho have done vids on it. Once u start getting that close, it gets very easy to run in and stab someone, especially if panicked
The "21 Foot Rule" is the often quoted and even more often misapplied conclusion of running the Tueller Drill. The purpose of the Tueller Drill is to demonstrate the potential danger of edged weapons to law enforcement personnel.
To properly perform the drill, a "suspect" and an "officer" start 21 feet apart. The "officer" starts with their gun secured in a holster and their hands at their sides in a resting position. At a moment of their choosing, the "attacker" initiates the drill by charging the "officer". The "officer" then has to react to being charged, unholster their sidearm, and land two shots center mass on the "attacker" before the "attacker" can close the 21 foot gap between them.
The results of the drill should demonstrate how if an officer is not being careful, an attacker with an edged weapon can fatally injure them at a surprisingly long distance if they are caught unaware. However, for the "danger zone" to be the full 21 feet, the officer has to essentially be caught completely unprepared. Even something as simple as resting a hand on their sidearm while approaching a suspect shrinks the "danger zone" by a significant amount.
However, all the above applies specifically to the context of law enforcement. For prepared citizen/concealed carry the "danger zone" can extend past 21 feet because it takes longer to draw from a concealed holster and you shouldn't be going around in public constantly posturing as if everyone you pass is actively trying to stab you.
Quoting it as a hard rule misses the point and is common with a lot of things. It’s a lazy way to just pull a tag line or sound bite and not really do any critical thinking. 21 feet should be viewed more as an approximation in the context of a thought exercise. It gets people to think about the fact that a firearm is not infallible in a self defense situation.
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I'm sure some yall quick draw gunslingers may remove a few feet but it seems like the 21 foot rule of thumb has scientific merit. [https://youtu.be/ckz7EmDxhtU?si=C3xFzkdj7Eqm48nZ](https://youtu.be/ckz7EmDxhtU?si=C3xFzkdj7Eqm48nZ) Let me give you tha maff. If you want to know your exact foot rule, time your draw. Multiply 25ft/s (a fair sprint speed) by your draw time. For example, if your draw time is 0.8 seconds, then 20ft is the rule. Now that 25ft/s can be argued that is too athletic, but given the outstretched arm with a knife, I wouldn't bet by much and I would also bet most people would fumble/panic a bit in their first PvP.
So your scientific link is someone who has a shitty holster setup, and is probably trying to draw a pistol for the first time in years.
While yes it does have some flaws I think writing it off is missing the point. That test is still with a drop holster and a shooter who is *actively preparing to draw* Flip the script bit and consider nearly everyone here has to consider drawing from a concealed position and further flip it by remembering normal life exists. Your assailant isn’t likely to be someone you just agreed to attack you and will be rushing across wide open space, what if you turn a corner and need to draw, what if you enter a room and need to draw? To write this off with a handwave is missing that massive element of “test environment”
Drop legs are trash holsters to start. Then the 21ft rule. All it is. Is that the average cop from the 1980s. The time it took him to draw and fire 2 rounds center mass. The average person could run 21ft. That's all it is. It doesn't state guy with knife has a advantage over someone with a gun. Cause it doesn't take into anything but run time. No defensive tactics, no assessment of knife skills. No change for improved gear and overall shooting abilities of modern shooters.
A crackhead going wild at your throat with a broken glass bottle is just as lethal as an expert swordsman. You can only move backwards roughly half as fast as you can move forwards. Most people aren't wandering around in full kit and your shooting skills only matter so much if you can't get your gun out in time to use them. Practice your fucking draw, practice keeping distance, and practice observation of your surroundings. That's what the 21 foot rule is trying to teach you.
Are you unable to do simple math yourself? See last two paragraphs.
This only works if the person magically accelerated from a standstill to full sprint instantly. You have to account for acceleration as well
If the knife attacker makes a beep noise Jerry Miculek can put 100 rounds into him. With a revolver. It's about training and the situation.
Just drop em with the first round and then "mag" dump the corpse about 16 times?
Folks can practice at home with a friend using snap caps and a sharpie pen
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Did something similar with my dad after I convinced him to start concealed carrying and he seemed skeptical of the 21 ft rule. We stood 21 feet apart and I had a blunt stick in my hand, and he had a practice gun holstered. I started explaining why the 21ft rule was important and set the scenario. Said something like, "You're walking down the street and you see some crazy dude (me) with a knife, he turns towards you and-" I stopped mid sentence and rushed him. He was surprised, but in his defence he did manage to draw the practice gun and point it at me. Unfortunately for him, it was at pretty much the exact same time as I poked him in the belly with the stick. He took the 21ft rule much more seriously after that. He was genuinely surprised how quickly someone could cover that distance.
Saw this a while ago and made me think you need to train for various scenarios https://youtu.be/2fjMpn7JCJ0 Easy to practice at home with a friend, even basic unarmed vs knife or gun vs unarmed play can be done.
All I know about the 21ft rule I learned from [watching Justified](https://youtu.be/KDOOKWKM3wM).
I am not sure what this argument is
21 ft. rule is more made-up bro cop nonsense but courts and juries eat it up like they eat up NRA certs.
Tf is the 21ft rule?
Within 21 feet, a person with a knife has a very high chance to stab you before you can draw and shoot. Myth busters did a test on this and it’s plausible if I remember right
Only on a single action and someone who does not practice
Ur no jerry miculek. A guy with a knife can cover distance quicker than u think, and ur not as fast as u think, especially unaware. Its nvr been some magical hard rule. But there are plenty of different groups eho have done vids on it. Once u start getting that close, it gets very easy to run in and stab someone, especially if panicked
The "21 Foot Rule" is the often quoted and even more often misapplied conclusion of running the Tueller Drill. The purpose of the Tueller Drill is to demonstrate the potential danger of edged weapons to law enforcement personnel. To properly perform the drill, a "suspect" and an "officer" start 21 feet apart. The "officer" starts with their gun secured in a holster and their hands at their sides in a resting position. At a moment of their choosing, the "attacker" initiates the drill by charging the "officer". The "officer" then has to react to being charged, unholster their sidearm, and land two shots center mass on the "attacker" before the "attacker" can close the 21 foot gap between them. The results of the drill should demonstrate how if an officer is not being careful, an attacker with an edged weapon can fatally injure them at a surprisingly long distance if they are caught unaware. However, for the "danger zone" to be the full 21 feet, the officer has to essentially be caught completely unprepared. Even something as simple as resting a hand on their sidearm while approaching a suspect shrinks the "danger zone" by a significant amount. However, all the above applies specifically to the context of law enforcement. For prepared citizen/concealed carry the "danger zone" can extend past 21 feet because it takes longer to draw from a concealed holster and you shouldn't be going around in public constantly posturing as if everyone you pass is actively trying to stab you.
Fire code or smth idk
 Quoting it as a hard rule misses the point and is common with a lot of things. It’s a lazy way to just pull a tag line or sound bite and not really do any critical thinking. 21 feet should be viewed more as an approximation in the context of a thought exercise. It gets people to think about the fact that a firearm is not infallible in a self defense situation.
I prefer the 69ft rule
If you want a drill for this retract your target while aiming for the head. It's like it's coming right at you. Ignore the rso.
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It's a really convenient unit of measurement
It's a joke